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epicSocialism4tw

03-03-2006, 02:51 PM

The gears are turning and my head is spinning! Denver has been proactive as usual by getting things started for the league. They've set the ball rolling by restructuring and making some heavy cuts. Its another Shanny/Sundquist offseason.

Paladin posted some informative thread today (thanks Paladin) that identifies our intentions for 4 new starters including a DE, TE, WR, and RB. These are the positions that have been targeted by Omaners as positions that needed to be upgraded with impact players. They are the postions where money has been tied up with underperforming veterans.

WR
Lelie and Rod are both still on the roster. The obvious step to take is to add a third WR who is a possession type. It kind of makes you wonder if the brain trust isnt planning on moving Lelie and his contract this season and moving on with another player. Could Denver trade Lelie to NY in a deal for Abraham? Or use him to move up to draft an impact player that they target? There are so many possibilities here that I dont know where to start. Lelie's cap number would be a good place to start. This is a position where Denver needs to find an everydown player that fits their QB and their system. TO would be perfect. His skill set is exactly what Denver needs and he brings confidence. His brain is not as toned as his body though. Finding a solution here is problematic this offseason.

TE
It became obvious that change was coming here when Putz was overtaken on the depth chart by Alexander because he couldnt block. In Denver you have to block or you dont play. Vernon Davis would be an ideal player for Denver. The guy has enourmous potential as an athletic blocker. It's a pipe dream to think that he'll be here though. It would take quite a bit to nab him in the draft. This is a skill position where Denver needs an impact player who can provide consistent proficiency as a receiver and a blocker.

DE
While the D-line continued to play the run fairly well, it became obvious in the playoffs that they werent able to enforce their will upon the other squad as they should be able to in Denver's scheme. Pryce was cut, and he needed to be. He has underperformed his contract for several years now and its just time to move on. Denver needs a legit pass rusher who plays the run well. Abraham would be a considerable upgrade and there are several talented DE's and DT's in the draft. Finding a solution here should be easier than the offensive skill positions with the resources available in the draft and free agency.

RB
Here we go again! Two guys on the roster are familiar with the system and have had success. They would probably comprise another committee-type situation in the backfield. I dont know about you guys, but I dont really feel comfortable with Dayne or Bell getting a serious amount of carries. Their histories arent very impressive. Evidently the BBT thinks the same way. If they go after a RB, they have several options. They can go high-dollar at the expense of the cap and chase James, or Alexander. They can go cheap if Ricky Williams' appeal works out and his agent doesnt close off talks out of spite. They can also look at guys like cocaine-man Lewis, Priest Holmes, etc. Or, they could look at guys like Maroney, Adai, DeAngelo Williams, etc. in the draft. There are several talented backs in this season's draft. I would love to see Maroney or DeAngelo Williams here.

Hotrod

03-03-2006, 02:55 PM

Nice post Angry well thought out

Complete guess like anyones at this point

WR draft/Burleson???

TE Duke/Alexander

DL J Abraham & Draft

RB draft, draft, draft

I'd also like to add something to the safety position and certainly depth on the Oline

Hotrod

03-03-2006, 02:58 PM

You know IF we gave up a first for JA and got back a 3rd that could be turned around for Burleson. Then for our 29th pick we would have added a pass rush DE and a good 3rd WR

Paladin

03-03-2006, 03:11 PM

Article in today's Post (by Klis, I believe; article quoted elsewhere hereon) indicated that the BBT believed that David Terrel could be the possession reciever. He has size, hands and apparently enough speed. So , I thought that they might weight out the four positions (or three if Abraham comes in) and see who shows up at their turn.

If they spend the 29th on Abraham, then I do not think another trade would be made. If Abraham does not come in, then I think they will rank the players by overall standards, and them rank them by position. This is one of those years that I think the Broncos will tend to draft for position without "reaching" in the first round. I have no prediction, because it all depends on what happens in the first 21 picks. To repeat, if Abraham deal doesn't go down, I see no trades of the two number 1s.

Hotrod

03-03-2006, 03:13 PM

eddie mac

03-03-2006, 03:14 PM

The gears are turning and my head is spinning! Denver has been proactive as usual by getting things started for the league. They've set the ball rolling by restructuring and making some heavy cuts. Its another Shanny/Sundquist offseason.

Paladin posted some informative thread today (thanks Paladin) that identifies our intentions for 4 new starters including a DE, TE, WR, and RB. These are the positions that have been targeted by Omaners as positions that needed to be upgraded with impact players. They are the postions where money has been tied up with underperforming veterans.

WR
Lelie and Rod are both still on the roster. The obvious step to take is to add a third WR who is a possession type. It kind of makes you wonder if the brain trust isnt planning on moving Lelie and his contract this season and moving on with another player. Could Denver trade Lelie to NY in a deal for Abraham? Or use him to move up to draft an impact player that they target? There are so many possibilities here that I dont know where to start. Lelie's cap number would be a good place to start. This is a position where Denver needs to find an everydown player that fits their QB and their system. TO would be perfect. His skill set is exactly what Denver needs and he brings confidence. His brain is not as toned as his body though. Finding a solution here is problematic this offseason.

If there's no CBA extension I highly doubt that Lelie will be on the trading block given that he'll then be an RFA next season and not a UFA. I've seen 2 articles by different Denver writers indicating that David Terrell will have a bigger role in the Broncos offense next season, looks like unless there's a CBA extension or a decent FA comes real cheap, we'll be standing pat at WR and adding a mid-round draft pick to the mix.

TE
It became obvious that change was coming here when Putz was overtaken on the depth chart by Alexander because he couldnt block. In Denver you have to block or you dont play. Vernon Davis would be an ideal player for Denver. The guy has enourmous potential as an athletic blocker. It's a pipe dream to think that he'll be here though. It would take quite a bit to nab him in the draft. This is a skill position where Denver needs an impact player who can provide consistent proficiency as a receiver and a blocker.

We'll be drafting a TE with one of our 1st day picks, maybe one that doesn't have to relocate too far

DE
While the D-line continued to play the run fairly well, it became obvious in the playoffs that they werent able to enforce their will upon the other squad as they should be able to in Denver's scheme. Pryce was cut, and he needed to be. He has underperformed his contract for several years now and its just time to move on. Denver needs a legit pass rusher who plays the run well. Abraham would be a considerable upgrade and there are several talented DE's and DT's in the draft. Finding a solution here should be easier than the offensive skill positions with the resources available in the draft and free agency.

Looks like the Lions are ponying up more for Abraham in terms of compensation to the Jets plus with their cap room they can give him a better contract. If Kiwanuka or Hali are still there at 22 we should take one of them and bring them into the rotation with Brown, Ekuban and Engelberger immediately. If Warren walks then we'll be hoping Bunkley falls to 22 and the DE is still there at 29

RB
Here we go again! Two guys on the roster are familiar with the system and have had success. They would probably comprise another committee-type situation in the backfield. I dont know about you guys, but I dont really feel comfortable with Dayne or Bell getting a serious amount of carries. Their histories arent very impressive. Evidently the BBT thinks the same way. If they go after a RB, they have several options. They can go high-dollar at the expense of the cap and chase James, or Alexander. They can go cheap if Ricky Williams' appeal works out and his agent doesnt close off talks out of spite. They can also look at guys like cocaine-man Lewis, Priest Holmes, etc. Or, they could look at guys like Maroney, Adai, DeAngelo Williams, etc. in the draft. There are several talented backs in this season's draft. I would love to see Maroney or DeAngelo Williams here.

IMO when not if Dayne re-signs he's our starting RB, let's hope he lives up to Shanahan's expectations, I still think Bell is one of the most dangerous, game-breaking players around he just needs to find the hole a bit better.
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Great post bro.

Paladin

03-03-2006, 03:21 PM

Good stuff Paladin I forgot all about Terrel. I wonder why he never cracked the active game day roster thou??? Any ideas just learning the system maybe?

I had read somewhere that Terrell needed time to learn the book an dbetter techniques. He was not well-schooled in Chicago in the fundamentals of the game, and he himself said that he'd learned more from the Broncos' staff this year than he ever had before. He was not upset to not be playing because he was learning so much. Now, I figure if the staff have been putting that much time in him, they have to have a good feel about his potential. I would look for Watts being under the gun to beat out Terrell to stay on the team.

Requiem

03-03-2006, 03:25 PM

Denver is going to draft a receiving threat early. I think that is pretty much a given.

Paladin

03-03-2006, 03:27 PM

Nice, Eddie Mac. I agree with you. Elsewhere, I had written that I did not think that the Abraham deal would necessarily be a good one. Still believe that. I think if Kiwi or Hali is there, that would be as good a move possible at DE, but I would argue that Bunkley would help at 29 and bring greater strength to the line. That would be a good line. So, I am not pimping for Abraham because I think there are leser expensive alternatives with greater chance for overall upside for improvement of the Dline.

Antilles

03-03-2006, 03:27 PM

You know IF we gave up a first for JA and got back a 3rd that could be turned around for Burleson. Then for our 29th pick we would have added a pass rush DE and a good 3rd WR

or give the Vikes Denver's 3rd and keep the jets 3rd, thereby getting JA, Burleson and moving up in the 3rd for the 29th.

Orange_Beard

03-03-2006, 03:31 PM

Nice post.

Vernon Davis could really help in 2 areas.
First of all TE.
Second with his TO like size and speed he gives us a "third" wideout type player. We could play a 2 TE O, with really three wideouts on the field.

If Terrell can give us anything it would be a geat addition.

watermock

03-03-2006, 03:31 PM

Good comments, now for mock's thoughts.

The gears are turning and my head is spinning! Denver has been proactive as usual by getting things started for the league. They've set the ball rolling by restructuring and making some heavy cuts. Its another Shanny/Sundquist offseason.

Pryce's agent went "all in" and now he's "all out"...he wasn't dominant and his refusal to be flexible sealed his fate once and for all...he also didn't talk "team"...so what.

Paladin posted some informative thread today (thanks Paladin) that identifies our intentions for 4 new starters including a DE, TE, WR, and RB. These are the positions that have been targeted by Omaners as positions that needed to be upgraded with impact players. They are the postions where money has been tied up with underperforming veterans.

I'm not too concerned about RB, but we will take one, TE is a serious need..I'm not rolling the dice on Duke yet...DE is beyond obvious and probably our first pick...if Vick lasts like in the mock draft, he would be worth a roll of the dice IMO...we can change him...make him better...control his drug use...ok never mind...just a thought...

WR
[/quote]Lelie and Rod are both still on the roster. The obvious step to take is to add a third WR who is a possession type. It kind of makes you wonder if the brain trust isnt planning on moving Lelie and his contract this season and moving on with another player. Could Denver trade Lelie to NY in a deal for Abraham? Or use him to move up to draft an impact player that they target? There are so many possibilities here that I dont know where to start. Lelie's cap number would be a good place to start. This is a position where Denver needs to find an everydown player that fits their QB and their system. TO would be perfect. His skill set is exactly what Denver needs and he brings confidence. His brain is not as toned as his body though. Finding a solution here is problematic this offseason.[/quote]

Lelies rookie cap number is totally managable...and Rod isn't getting younger...the key is to get him in the weight room and make him go across the middle...that might change with Dinger instead of Pubes. We are way too thin at WR to trade Lelie at this point without an impact player to replace him.

TE
It became obvious that change was coming here when Putz was overtaken on the depth chart by Alexander because he couldnt block. In Denver you have to block or you dont play. Vernon Davis would be an ideal player for Denver. The guy has enourmous potential as an athletic blocker. It's a pipe dream to think that he'll be here though. It would take quite a bit to nab him in the draft. This is a skill position where Denver needs an impact player who can provide consistent proficiency as a receiver and a blocker.

Everyone knows how high I was on Vernon Davis...that option seems dead at this point because he looked like superman at the combine...I think Pope can block we take him and hopefully Duke can be the reciever. I'm not betting my cards on Duke at this point...DAMN...top 100 had V. Davis at 29 earlier this year...now it looks like he might go top 5....I'm not even going there I'm so pissed....

DE
While the D-line continued to play the run fairly well, it became obvious in the playoffs that they werent able to enforce their will upon the other squad as they should be able to in Denver's scheme. Pryce was cut, and he needed to be. He has underperformed his contract for several years now and its just time to move on. Denver needs a legit pass rusher who plays the run well. Abraham would be a considerable upgrade and there are several talented DE's and DT's in the draft. Finding a solution here should be easier than the offensive skill positions with the resources available in the draft and free agency.

Coyer's scheme doesn't seem to dominate pass rush for whatever reason...this is an obvious need. Having a corner playing on a torn groin and another rookie didn't help...anyway...DE is an obvious need. I'm not sure Abraham will come in cheap...draft here if a true pass rusher is there...it's not rocket science.

RB
Here we go again! Two guys on the roster are familiar with the system and have had success. They would probably comprise another committee-type situation in the backfield. I dont know about you guys, but I dont really feel comfortable with Dayne or Bell getting a serious amount of carries. Their histories arent very impressive. Evidently the BBT thinks the same way. If they go after a RB, they have several options. They can go high-dollar at the expense of the cap and chase James, or Alexander. They can go cheap if Ricky Williams' appeal works out and his agent doesnt close off talks out of spite. They can also look at guys like cocaine-man Lewis, Priest Holmes, etc. Or, they could look at guys like Maroney, Adai, DeAngelo Williams, etc. in the draft. There are several talented backs in this season's draft. I would love to see Maroney or DeAngelo Williams here.

No, take a new blood here as well, just the one we want...this is where we need to move up somewhere and get who Turner wants...he missed last year...but I believe Sapp and Kyle (from South Park) can get it done.

I think RB is still solid...MA would wear down late in the season. Dayne has low miles and Bell can still learn if he's not a retard....or both...We will take one, but it's not a real need IMO.

epicSocialism4tw

03-03-2006, 03:32 PM

or give the Vikes Denver's 3rd and keep the jets 3rd, thereby getting JA, Burleson and moving up in the 3rd for the 29th.

That's not a bad idea, although I'm not too fond of Burleson.

I wouldnt mind seeing Denver trade #29 for Abraham, his huge money, and the Jets' 3rd. That sounds a little more fair.

watermock

03-03-2006, 03:32 PM

Orange_Beard

03-03-2006, 03:38 PM

I'm afraid he's dropped out of our reach, period.

Could be. He may be the guy to make a move for.....
I wounder if the guy is too good to be true. Man that work out was unreal.

eddie mac

03-03-2006, 03:39 PM

I know I posted the thread on Burleson but actually think the Vikes will match any offer he gets unless it's ludicrous because they've so much cap room.

bendog

03-03-2006, 03:51 PM

I'm not sure about adding TE personnel. We ended up with a lot of two TE formations, and that just took speed off the field, and let's face it, Lelie and Tater were eht only real threats to go all the way on any play.

Jake's improved game management may lead shanny to give him more reads. With his mobility, and with Johnson in the game, on non-sure-passing downs, Den might could go 3 WR and two backs, and still pick up any blitz by making Jake read it, and roll away, with the TB being a dump off option. With Rod in the slot and a fast guy outside, teams will have to go nickle, and Rod can still get open on any safety (ed reed maybe not) or block any corner.

I'm just not sure that they can get a productive first string rookie WR with the one late pick. In fact, I think it's a slim chance.

But, they still have Alexander, Duke (who did show a bit), Nate Jackson ... and what the heck is this?

80 Trusty, Landon TE 6'07" 260 10/9/1981 1 Central Arkansas

http://www.nfl.com/teams/rosters/DEN

that guy makes duke look like a midget

Victor

03-03-2006, 03:52 PM

or give the Vikes Denver's 3rd and keep the jets 3rd, thereby getting JA, Burleson and moving up in the 3rd for the 29th.

Speculation in Minnesota is that the Vikes have the inclination and cap room to match any offer for Burleson. They set the bar low on a third round qualifying offer becuase if no one offers Burleson a contract the Vikes are in a better (read lower starting price) bargaining position.

broncosteven

03-03-2006, 04:05 PM

I would like to see what Terrell could do as a possession 3rd WR he has some explosiveness & has Deceptive speed if he can learn to catch Consistently. I doubt we make a move at WR this year.

I would take a chance on a RB in the draft but Edge would look nice in Orange & Blue fat chance of that though. Doubt there is a FA signing here this year.

Abrahams we know what we are getting a solid high caliber NFL Vet, with a Draft pick you get potential. I would make the trade & try to draft well. Bet this happens unless another team steals him.

We will Draft a TE as high as they can thought SA & Duke will start

Billy Clyde Puckett

03-03-2006, 04:11 PM

Paladin

03-03-2006, 10:52 PM

On the radio this morning Jim Armstrong, who I think is plugged into the Broncs better thatn any of those assigned directly to the team, said this draft will be OFFENSE, OFFENSE and more OFFENSE. I think he is probably right, but I would sure like to see them grab a couple of DL early in the draft.

In the Post he also said, and I quote: offensive "speed, speed, speed."

The only trade I see with some remote chance is the Abraham deal, and I am not sure how likely that is, and you know my thoughts on that trade. I understood Klis to say that the likely TE drafted by the Broncos would be the "fourth best TE", whom I suspect is the guy out of UCLA. That would be a second or third round choice, I'd think.

We are all saying pretty much the same things, but it is a matter of when picks might be made and thus some guesses as to whom that might be.

Play2win

03-03-2006, 11:22 PM

I would Love to see both Deangelo Williams and POPE in the first round!!!

ludo21

03-03-2006, 11:47 PM

WR - Terrell, maybe add a vet FA.
TE - Duke and draft one
RB - Mike Bell please! or Maroney, or Deangelo.
DE- draft

Atlas

03-04-2006, 12:18 AM

DE is beyond obvious and probably our first pick...if Vick lasts like in the mock draft, he would be worth a roll of the dice IMO...we can change him...make him better...control his drug use...ok never mind...just a thought...

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I don't think I agree with that, If Denver gets Abraham then they have Ecuban ,Brown , Corey Jackson and Englebergerbansandon competing for the other end job. Where is the need to draft one??
I think If Denver Only has one pick in the first round it will be Wr or S.

SoCalBronco

03-04-2006, 12:46 AM

This better be part of the plan.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=2889&dateline=1140558219

Shanny on KOA Saturday evening after Day 1 of the draft....

http://deseretnews.com/photos/2250999.jpg

Ok, our first pick...Kyla Cole, she was both a great, great receiver and believe me a hell of a tight end. We felt that anytime you can get a specimen like that, with an ass like that, tits shaped so perfectly, and a perfect face, your really helping your football team. We had her graded out pretty highly and we think she has a chance to make an impact here. She's got one of the nicest asses weve seen on tape in years. Pretty productive career. Greek has checked out some of her groin problems and we feel comfortable on the medical side. We've done our homework here. She flashes out on tape thats for sure. Anytime you can add a player of that kind of ability, we feel pretty good about that.

Media member interrupts.....uhh..coach what about rumors that she only does girls...

Well...how do you think she fell to 22?...you guys are never satisfied....(everyone in press room chuckles)

Kaylore

03-04-2006, 01:43 AM

:spit:SoCal, you're awesome.

watermock

03-04-2006, 01:46 AM

I'll sign off on that but she has to be a team player,..,.

Hotrod

03-04-2006, 02:29 AM

Headless Hessian Rider

03-04-2006, 03:03 AM

Ok I dont do this often but I just got off the phone with my source whos been pretty awesome to date

The JA deal is extreamly close to done but wont be announced for atleast a week.

It involves a the #29 pick and the Jets #3

Also the FO is looking at trading this years other #1 for next years #2 and a current RB.......no names any ideas who that might be???

Well if i had to guess i would say the Bears. With Jones , Benson and Petereson they are a team who have an crowded backfield.

eddie mac

03-04-2006, 04:10 AM

Ok I dont do this often but I just got off the phone with my source whos been pretty awesome to date

The JA deal is extreamly close to done but wont be announced for atleast a week.

It involves a the #29 pick and the Jets #3

Also the FO is looking at trading this years other #1 for next years #2 and a current RB.......no names any ideas who that might be???

The 1st option I can live with if the second happened I'd tear my hair out and I'm already bald.

So the Broncos are gonna give up two 1st rd picks in the deepest draft in years? for JA and a running back, dumbest moves ever.

eddie mac

03-04-2006, 04:11 AM

They'd be better sorting themselves out with a DT or 2 1st cos the last I heard Warren still hasn't signed.

Paladin

03-04-2006, 09:35 AM

With all due respect: Shanahan trading for an RB? You gotta be sh*tting me. Even RW is out of the picture. Edge? Not worth that much, IMHO. Maybe its LaDanian Thomlinson? C'mon. Speculations and rumors have to be grounded somewhat in reality, nes ce pas?

Odysseus

03-04-2006, 09:44 AM

This better be part of the plan.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=2889&dateline=1140558219

Shanny on KOA Saturday evening after Day 1 of the draft....

http://deseretnews.com/photos/2250999.jpg

Ok, our first pick...Kyla Cole, she was both a great, great receiver and believe me a hell of a tight end. We felt that anytime you can get a specimen like that, with an ass like that, boobies shaped so perfectly, and a perfect face, your really helping your football team. We had her graded out pretty highly and we think she has a chance to make an impact here. She's got one of the nicest asses weve seen on tape in years. Pretty productive career. Greek has checked out some of her groin problems and we feel comfortable on the medical side. We've done our homework here. She flashes out on tape thats for sure. Anytime you can add a player of that kind of ability, we feel pretty good about that.

Media member interrupts.....uhh..coach what about rumors that she only does girls...

Well...how do you think she fell to 22?...you guys are never satisfied....(everyone in press room chuckles)

:spit: Love it.

broncsyanks

03-04-2006, 10:48 AM

my 2 cents is this

Wait until TO is cut sign him
To becomes the deep threat on one side

this will free up lelie on the other side with TO most likely getting souble teamed Then you make rod the best set of hands on the team being the possesion reciever. terrell will be the #4 wr

TE alexander and duke will have to cover the duties there. if not cut alexander and draft a TE

Trade for Abraham for a 2 year commitment since it loks like next year there will be no cap. get a 3rd rounder and do the following

#1 22 pick drafta DT if we dont resign warren or a top DE
#2 draft a cormer
#3 drafta TE
#4 draft a OL
#5 draft a RB

and the most important thing on draft day is DO NOT LET SHANNY DRAFT THE OTHER VICK! I dont want to see ego get in the way and do what he did last year in clarrett with this idiot.

ludo21

03-04-2006, 11:01 AM

:spit:SoCal, you're awesome.

Ha!

that was hilarious!

probably the best move in the offseason.