Protesters Urge 'Storm the White House'

[DBruleU]

That would be a nice temporary administration. :unamused:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/2/134413.shtml?s=ic

An anti-war group that belongs to the umbrella organization United for Peace and Justice (UPJ) has announced that it intends to topple the Bush administration during a March 15 Washington, D.C. protest.

In a message headlined "Storm the White House" that appears on the UPJ Web site, the group Political Cooperative is urging its members:

"TAKE THE WHITE HOUSE BY STORM, Stop Genocide, Torture and Occupation."

The message goes on to explain:


"We will not allow the Slave Holders that Still Prevail in this Country to Rule us any longer . . . The Administration is Criminal and if they will not step down, we must storm in, show them how many of us do not accept a criminal government."

The Political Cooperative goes so far as to announce its plans to install an interim government after the Bush administration is toppled:

"The Political Cooperative will put a new, temporary government in place that is comprised of people from Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and all the organizations that have finally made us aware of the truth of the savage practices and illegal policies of our government in assassinating our own officials as well as people throughout the world who oppose their criminal activity."

Bush-bashing filmmaker Michael Moore apparently endorses the coup plan, linking to the "Storm the White House" message on his Web site.

[orangeatheist]

Wow. So these anti-war guys want to stop a war by starting one.

Ought to be interesting to see how this turns out.

[RaiderH8r]

Wow. So these anti-war guys want to stop a war by starting one.

Ought to be interesting to see how this turns out.
I'll tell you how it's going to turn out. Getting around the city is going to suck and I'm going to bash some hippie skulls that's how it's going to turn out. They'll fvck up my commute and I'll kick them in the teeth. It's a lose-win. First I lose and then I win. Hippies always lose because they're hippies and that's what they do. They lose and b!tch. B!tch and lose lose and b!tch.

[orangeatheist]

^ ok...ok...that was some pretty funny chit right there!

[enjolras]

I'd like to help... these people sound like complete lunatics.

[spdirty]

LOL I'll tell you how it's going to turn out. Getting around the city is going to suck and I'm going to bash some hippie skulls that's how it's going to turn out. They'll fvck up my commute and I'll kick them in the teeth. It's a lose-win. First I lose and then I win. Hippies always lose because they're hippies and that's what they do. They lose and b!tch. B!tch and lose lose and b!tch.


LOL :chairhit:

[Crushaholic]

silly hippies...:rofl:

[Bronx33]

I see alot of protesters bleeding from the head with burning eyes from the gas only to be piled on top of eachother in a patty wagon, short clips of some no makeup wearin hairy armpit granola eating chick screaming (power to the people!) then a leather glove holding her face like a bowling ball shoves her into a van. (storming the white house) is a no win situation.

[Spider]

Militant Hippies being attacked by a fat guy from Montana .......... Hilarious! TDS will have a field day

[ClevelandBronco]

My parents were lucky enough to have had dinner with Dubya at the White House recently. They were pretty jazzed about it. I'm glad they were able to get that in before the coup. I suppose I'll never get the chance now. Pity, really. My wife will be especially crushed.

So anyone think it will take more than 10 minutes of White House security personnel beating all traces of fecal matter out of anyone who gets too close to the fence before the organizers of this event rethink the idea of announcing their intentions in advance?

[DBruleU]

How'd your parents manage that?

I'd love to see these people actually try this. I want to see what the WH security does when people get too close to the WH.

[ClevelandBronco]

How'd your parents manage that?

The 1966 Texas Western (now UTEP) Miners who were the subject of the film "Glory Road" were invited to the White House for dinner recently. My second dad (The first one died at 42. I was 11.) was a part of the athletic staff for that team for several decades and was a consultant for the movie. I'm proud to say that he's the guy who is most responsible for Don Haskins' admittance to the Basketball HOF.

Texas Western's claim to fame is that they were the first team to start five African American players and win the NCAA championship. It sounds like an obvious tactic these days, but I've read the contemporary press clippings. The world was a different kind of place in 1966. Some of the stuff that was written at the time is simply unimaginable under today's standards. Coach Haskins was either a guy who was the first to calculate the possibiities or he was just unable to distinguish between skin colors. I like to think that he just didn't bother to think there was a racial difference that could matter and that skill should be the only yardstick.

Anyway, the surviving members of the team (Bobby Joe Hill died a while ago) and the coaching staff were invited to the White House for dinner last week.

My dad (who lived during the Great Depression in a railroad boxcar that had been converted into the family home) and my mother (who spent the later part of the same period in rural Alabama picking cotton as a child) were astounded to discover that during this last part of their lives they had been invited to dine with the most influential man in the world.

In my opinion, they are precisely the kind of Americans who should enjoy a few moments in the sun. They are indeed the salt of the earth and I have been well blessed that they are my parents.

[mosca]

I'd love to see these people actually try this. I want to see what the WH security does when people get too close to the WH.
well, we all remember what they did to that chinese dude from australia who stood outside the capitol building last year... let's just say that this could be mildly entertaining. :D

[DBruleU]

The 1966 Texas Western (now UTEP) Miners who were the subject of the film "Glory Road" were invited to the White House for dinner recently. My second dad (The first one died at 42. I was 11.) was a part of the athletic staff for that team for several decades and was a consultant for the movie. I'm proud to say that he's the guy who is most responsible for Don Haskins' admittance to the Basketball HOF.

Texas Western's claim to fame is that they were the first team to start five African American players and win the NCAA championship. It sounds like an obvious tactic these days, but I've read the contemporary press clippings. The world was a different kind of place in 1966. Some of the stuff that was written at the time is simply unimaginable under today's standards. Coach Haskins was either a guy who was the first to calculate the possibiities or he was just unable to distinguish between skin colors. I like to think that he just didn't bother to think there was a racial difference that could matter and that skill should be the only yardstick.

Anyway, the surviving members of the team (Bobby Joe Hill died a while ago) and the coaching staff were invited to the White House for dinner last week.

My dad (who lived during the Great Depression in a railroad boxcar that had been converted into the family home) and my mother (who spent the later part of the same period in rural Alabama picking cotton as a child) were astounded to discover that during this last part of their lives they had been invited to dine with the most influential man in the world.

In my opinion, they are precisely the kind of Americans who should enjoy a few moments in the sun. They are indeed the salt of the earth and I have been well blessed that they are my parents.


That's great stuff. That would be a great opportunity to dine with the Man.

I have been meaning to pick that movie up for some time and watch it. Maybe that's what I'll spend this weekend doing.

[DBruleU]

well, we all remember what they did to that chinese dude from australia who stood outside the capitol building last year... let's just say that this could be mildly entertaining. :D

I'm hoping....;)

[ClevelandBronco]

That's great stuff. That would be a great opportunity to dine with the Man.

I have been meaning to pick that movie up for some time and watch it. Maybe that's what I'll spend this weekend doing.

It's not out on DVD yet. You'd still have catch it at a theater for now.

[DBruleU]

It's not out on DVD yet. You'd still have catch it at a theater for now.

That's what I meant. It's late....

[ClevelandBronco]

When you get the chance to watch it, take it all with more than a grain of salt. By every account I've heard from the men who lived it, the story told in the movie bears -- at best -- a loose resemblence to the reality.

Hey, it's Hollywood's version. Hollywood does stories, not history. Jerry Bruckheimer is wealthier than any historian I can think of for a damned good reason. And that reason is not because Mr. Bruckheimer's storytelling is the most accurate source of the truth available.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

:D

Ha ha ha!

Another newsmax exclusive.

File it right next to Bill O'Liely and the liberal war on Christmas.

[gunns]

Let's all take the hippie oath and just smoke a joint. Mellow out. Offer one to Dubya....although at times I wonder if he hasn't already smoked a few.

"What....what were we talking about"

[Hotrod]

Holy crap this should be fun pass the popcorn. Nothing like watching hippies get bitch slapped.

[Antilles]

I'll tell you how it's going to turn out. Getting around the city is going to suck and I'm going to bash some hippie skulls that's how it's going to turn out. They'll fvck up my commute and I'll kick them in the teeth. It's a lose-win. First I lose and then I win. Hippies always lose because they're hippies and that's what they do. They lose and b!tch. B!tch and lose lose and b!tch.

Possibly, but my guess is that about 14 college kids show up around noon with some signs and a frizbee, drop the signs, play some ultimate in front of the WH, and are on the metro and out of the city long before the evening commute.

[Hotrod]

Possibly, but my guess is that about 14 college kids show up around noon with some signs and a frizbee, drop the signs, play some ultimate in front of the WH, and are on the metro and out of the city long before the evening commute.

I hope your wrong that would not be exciting at all. Of course maybe if one makes a bad frizbee throw over the gate they will open fire with bean bag bullets.

[alkemical]

honestly they are allowed to do this, it is in the constitution.

[Hotrod]

honestly they are allowed to do this, it is in the constitution.

Um where in the constitution does it say hippies can 'storm' the whitehouse and take it over???

[alkemical]

Um where in the constitution does it say hippies can 'storm' the whitehouse and take it over???


if the gov't no longer serves the needs of the people, it can be overthrown or abolished.

[RaiderH8r]

Possibly, but my guess is that about 14 college kids show up around noon with some signs and a frizbee, drop the signs, play some ultimate in front of the WH, and are on the metro and out of the city long before the evening commute.
If it's not the hippies themselves fvcking up my commute (I drive. I hate riding the metro with the trolls. Crowding cramping crunching, reading their damn newspaper then stumbling all over me. Or it's the tourists, season's about to begin, coming in riding during rush hour. WTF are you thinking you dull witted troglodytes? It's rush hour, yes it's packed, get in the train and put your arm down you stank ripe KC sister diddler. I hate the metro.) it will be the security details and the little sh!t dc metro and secret service do to brighten your day. Damn it I hate protesters. Get a job people. I'll take their frisbee, toss it in the Potomac and then heave the hippies one by one in after their precious plastic disc.

[RaiderH8r]

if the gov't no longer serves the needs of the people, it can be overthrown or abolished.
They ain't overthrowing sh!t. I'm kicking in teeth. The White House is about two blocks from my office. I may take a half day and thump skulls for the rest. These people need a good skull thumping. This is what comes of bad parenting. If their parents had beat them more I wouldn't have to. These people are the best possible case for abortion pro-choicers could make. Hippies suck.

[alkemical]

They ain't overthrowing sh!t. I'm kicking in teeth. The White House is about two blocks from my office. I may take a half day and thump skulls for the rest. These people need a good skull thumping. This is what comes of bad parenting. If their parents had beat them more I wouldn't have to. These people are the best possible case for abortion pro-choicers could make. Hippies suck.


Obviously you have never run into some lefist-anarchists

[Hotrod]

They ain't overthrowing sh!t. I'm kicking in teeth. The White House is about two blocks from my office. I may take a half day and thump skulls for the rest. These people need a good skull thumping. This is what comes of bad parenting. If their parents had beat them more I wouldn't have to. These people are the best possible case for abortion pro-choicers could make. Hippies suck.

LOL your on a roll today.....smack a few of those tree huggin parasites for me ;D

[Hotrod]

Obviously you have never run into some lefist-anarchists

Well good or bad my guess is if those leftist-anarchists get out of line they are going to run into pain.

This is just silly. They are going to get their 15 minutes of fame and prolly a few $100 fines. Then the world will go back to her natural state......sleeping

[alkemical]

i was in the middle of a 'skirmish' between leftist/anarchists vs. skin heads - and those lefty/anarchists are much much more bad ass than i ever had thought before.

[RaiderH8r]

Obviously you have never run into some lefist-anarchists
Yeah, they're the guys that punch you in the back of the head and run when you turn around to jack their jaw for'em. Leftist-anarchist, soccer hooligan, hippies, thugs, I've thumped'em all. Leftist anarchists are the most enjoyable though because it's sweet justice to see them cry for their mommies through broken jaws and busted teeth. Not such a bad ass any more are ya? Maybe you'll think twice about punching a guy in the back of the head won't ya? Kick one in the teeth and the rest flee like roaches when the lights come on.

[RaiderH8r]

i was in the middle of a 'skirmish' between leftist/anarchists vs. skin heads - and those lefty/anarchists are much much more bad ass than i ever had thought before.
They're all skirt wearing nancy boys. Walk softly, carry a big stick. My stick is bigger than theirs. Fvck'em. Generally I'm a fun loving pretty much hanging out kind of guy, but these fvckwads show up asking to be thumped on and generally intimidating people until someone who won't be intimidated by their bs comes along and kicks their teeth so far down their throat they have to shove their tofu up their asse to chew. I enjoy thumping loud mouthed braggart bully types. Gives a fella a sense of justice in the world.

[RaiderH8r]

LOL your on a roll today.....smack a few of those tree huggin parasites for me ;D
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.;D

Most protesters piss me off because of my commute. But, seriously, not a huge fvckin deal. Aggrivating to be sure, but if they're having a sh!t in or whatever fine. Just leave me the fvck alone when I'm going about my business. Open your gutter trap and I'll fill it with a fist or five to the eyes. Anarchist types are just a-holes who haven't been sufficiently hospitalised to see the error of their ways.

[DBruleU]

I kinda liked the metro when I was in DC a year ago. Very easy to get one place to the other. Although, when I was done with my 'tourist' activities, I found it was crazy crowded when I went to take the metro all the way back to my hotel. And it wasnt a short ride either, so it wasnt so much fun.

[Hotrod]

Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.;D

Most protesters piss me off because of my commute. But, seriously, not a huge fvckin deal. Aggrivating to be sure, but if they're having a sh!t in or whatever fine. Just leave me the fvck alone when I'm going about my business. Open your gutter trap and I'll fill it with a fist or five to the eyes. Anarchist types are just a-holes who haven't been sufficiently hospitalised to see the error of their ways.

Ya commutes can be a bitch hell I actually hit both traffic lights on the main drag red this morning. ;)

[alkemical]

actually i'm ready to napalm some rightwing assholes, those guys haven't seen the error of their ways, and i want them to see that the god they bought into does not exist.

Vini Vidi Vici!

[DBruleU]

:D

Ha ha ha!

Another newsmax exclusive.

File it right next to Bill O'Liely and the liberal war on Christmas.
Oh c'mon LABF. After you posted stuff from, 'smirkingchimp.com', or whatever its correct name was, I feel I have every right to post something from newsmax. That and you post stuff from 'buckfush.com?'

Give me a break you hypocritical punk.

[Spider]

I tangled with a few of those lefty/anarchists in philly , Guys in combat boots , Khaki pants stuck inside , shaved heads tats all up and down the arm ? may have been Skin heads , but anyway , they could hit , but they couldnt take a beating , somewhere these thugs forgot the rule , to give a beating , you better be prepared to take 1 ......... The reason we got into it was , they had a kid cornered trying to force him to join thier gang , movment , whatever they call themselfs , and I figured 2 of us stood a better chance against 3 , then he did by himself , as soon as I jumped in , the little bastard took off running left me there by myself ........ Last time I do that shít ........

[RaiderH8r]

Ya commutes can be a b**** hell I actually hit both traffic lights on the main drag red this morning. ;)
You, sir, can lick my taint.:yayaya:

[DBruleU]

I tangled with a few of those lefty/anarchists in philly , Guys in combat boots , Khaki pants stuck inside , shaved heads tats all up and down the arm ? may have been Skin heads , but anyway , they could hit , but they couldnt take a beating , somewhere these thugs forgot the rule , to give a beating , you better be prepared to take 1 ......... The reason we got into it was , they had a kid cornered trying to force him to join thier gang , movment , whatever they call themselfs , and I figured 2 of us stood a better chance against 3 , then he did by himself , as soon as I jumped in , the little bastard took off running left me there by myself ........ Last time I do that shít ........

You've just about experienced everything huh? I learn a new thing about you everyday.

[RaiderH8r]

actually i'm ready to napalm some rightwing a-holes, those guys haven't seen the error of their ways, and i want them to see that the god they bought into does not exist.

Vini Vidi Vici!
Hippies don't napalm, if they did they wouldn't be hippies.;D Rightwing a-holes napalm.....but that would take the fun out of thumping skulls. Something about the way my boot strikes their melon that strikes my ear like a great symphony, I'm getting a little misty.

[alkemical]

I tangled with a few of those lefty/anarchists in philly , Guys in combat boots , Khaki pants stuck inside , shaved heads tats all up and down the arm ? may have been Skin heads , but anyway , they could hit , but they couldnt take a beating , somewhere these thugs forgot the rule , to give a beating , you better be prepared to take 1 ......... The reason we got into it was , they had a kid cornered trying to force him to join thier gang , movment , whatever they call themselfs , and I figured 2 of us stood a better chance against 3 , then he did by himself , as soon as I jumped in , the little bastard took off running left me there by myself ........ Last time I do that shít ........


skinheads

[Spider]

You've just about experienced everything huh? I learn a new thing about you everyday.
22 years runnin coast to coast , you cant help but expiernce things ........ been all over Canada , been in a few places in Mexico .......

[RaiderH8r]

I tangled with a few of those lefty/anarchists in philly , Guys in combat boots , Khaki pants stuck inside , shaved heads tats all up and down the arm ? may have been Skin heads , but anyway , they could hit , but they couldnt take a beating , somewhere these thugs forgot the rule , to give a beating , you better be prepared to take 1 ......... The reason we got into it was , they had a kid cornered trying to force him to join thier gang , movment , whatever they call themselfs , and I figured 2 of us stood a better chance against 3 , then he did by himself , as soon as I jumped in , the little bastard took off running left me there by myself ........ Last time I do that shít ........
They stagger around here from time to time. Mostly I run into the skinhead types at metal shows. Fvcking jerkoffs. Fat man don't mosh b!tches. Fat man kicks asse and rocks out, and the concert is between sets douchebag. Ran into the lefty/anarchist types at the Republican convention in NY, man that was a good time. Memories, misty water colored memories....

[RaiderH8r]

22 years runnin coast to coast , you cant help but expiernce things ........ been all over Canada , been in a few places in Mexico .......
You're a liar if you say you've never seen a donkey show.

[Spider]

skinheads
whatever they was , they were ássholes ;D

[Spider]

You're a liar if you say you've never seen a donkey show.
LOL ..... nope never saw one of those ..........

[Spider]

They stagger around here from time to time. Mostly I run into the skinhead types at metal shows. Fvcking jerkoffs. Fat man don't mosh b!tches. Fat man kicks asse and rocks out, and the concert is between sets douchebag. Ran into the lefty/anarchist types at the Republican convention in NY, man that was a good time. Memories, misty water colored memories....
Well I was unloading some electronics gadgets down near the Civic center in Philly, they had some Grunge band there , just a real bad scene ......

[RaiderH8r]

LOL ..... nope never saw one of those ..........
LIAR

:stirstir:

[Spider]

LIAR

:stirstir:
thats my story and I am sticking to it ..................:approve:

[Hotrod]

Hmm what is the donkey show you speak of. Taking the wife and kids on a vacation soon maybe we should check this out ;D

[RaiderH8r]

Hmm what is the donkey show you speak of. Taking the wife and kids on a vacation soon maybe we should check this out ;D
Maybe leave the wife and kids elsewhere. Maybe this should be "Daddy's entertainment" only. Just a suggestion. Might warp a young child....or quite possibly an old adult. It's...well, it is what it is.

[Hotrod]

Maybe leave the wife and kids elsewhere. Maybe this should be "Daddy's entertainment" only. Just a suggestion. Might warp a young child....or quite possibly an old adult. It's...well, it is what it is.

LOL

[bendog]

I can't decide if newsmax or the Peace and Justice guys are more loony.

[alkemical]

well who-ever's left gets charged for being a terrorist and thrown in jail.

[RaiderH8r]

well who-ever's left gets charged for being a terrorist and thrown in jail.
That'll be me standing on a heap of beaten hippies.

[RaiderH8r]

LOL
I wonder what PETA's position on the donkey show is? What greater demonstration for love of animals. Oh...that wasn't right....

[Hotrod]

I wonder what PETA's position on the donkey show is? What greater demonstration for love of animals. Oh...that wasn't right....

LOL not right at all Ha!

[Rohirrim]

I guess this is what Jefferson meant when he said the "messiness of democracy?" ;)

[alkemical]

That'll be me standing on a heap of beaten hippies.


charged as a terrorist and thrown in jail - ahh only dumb ass neocons buy into that - hey it's a lot like blowing yourself up!!!

[RaiderH8r]

charged as a terrorist and thrown in jail - ahh only dumb ass neocons buy into that - hey it's a lot like blowing yourself up!!!
Evil Republican Committee=Not spending a second in the slammer.

[Garcia Bronco]

Those people would most likely lose their lives and for what?

[Crushaholic]

Those people would most likely lose their lives and for what?

a good high?:puff:

[RaiderH8r]

a good high?:puff:
In my experience, most potheads have difficulty working up the motivation to order a pizza. These guys have probably been smoking oregano.

[alkemical]

If you think political party affiliation would save you, you are wrong.

[RaiderH8r]

If you think political party affiliation would save you, you are wrong.
No, being top henchman to the dark overlord will though.;D

[alkemical]

No, being top henchman to the dark overlord will though.;D


that just means you are first in line at the guillotine

[RaiderH8r]

that just means you are first in line at the guillotine
Hilarious! That's cute. Storming the Bastille, beware the Ides of March and all that such. This is just laden with all sorts of revolutionary innuendo. Pretty sure hippies will be thumped and I'll be laughing about it when I'm done. Kickin' back and watching the tube waiting for the next bunch of poor saps to roll into town.

[alkemical]

Hilarious! That's cute. Storming the Bastille, beware the Ides of March and all that such. This is just laden with all sorts of revolutionary innuendo. Pretty sure hippies will be thumped and I'll be laughing about it when I'm done. Kickin' back and watching the tube waiting for the next bunch of poor saps to roll into town.


Funny, this country was started on revolutionary innuendo - and the constitution is correct - you have the right to abolish or overthrow. When the gov't doesn't listen to the people, what choice do you have?

[RaiderH8r]

Funny, this country was started on revolutionary innuendo - and the constitution is correct - you have the right to abolish or overthrow. When the gov't doesn't listen to the people, what choice do you have?
The innuendo of which I speak was in reference to your, I presume, specific choice of guillotine as means of exocution and the hippies choosing the Ides of March to stage their little party.

And the citizenry does have recourse through revolution, however, the fundamental key to that is a well armed citizenry. The best insurance of a representative government is a watchful, wary, and armed populous.

[alkemical]

The innuendo of which I speak was in reference to your, I presume, specific choice of guillotine as means of exocution and the hippies choosing the Ides of March to stage their little party.

And the citizenry does have recourse through revolution, however, the fundamental key to that is a well armed citizenry. The best insurance of a representative government is a watchful, wary, and armed populous.


Well our 'representatives' don't listen to us anymore, so storming the capital i'm more than fine with.

[RaiderH8r]

Well our 'representatives' don't listen to us anymore, so storming the capital i'm more than fine with.
Here's how it's going to go down:

Hippies storm capitol. Hippies summarily thumped down by law enforcement. Hippies cry about mistreatment after attempted coup d'etat (for which they should be executed, but won't).

Let's just say, I'm stuck in traffic, slowing when the hippies are crossing the street might not be on my list of priorities. Wait, it will be. No sense in dinging up my car when I could accomplish the same thing with my boots.

[alkemical]

Here's how it's going to go down:

Hippies storm capitol. Hippies summarily thumped down by law enforcement. Hippies cry about mistreatment after attempted coup d'etat (for which they should be executed, but won't).

Let's just say, I'm stuck in traffic, slowing when the hippies are crossing the street might not be on my list of priorities. Wait, it will be. No sense in dinging up my car when I could accomplish the same thing with my boots.


Yeah sure.... another all talk republican, imagine that!

[RaiderH8r]

Yeah sure.... another all talk republican, imagine that!
You're not irked are you? It's just roving hippies, it's not like they're "doing" anything.

[alkemical]

You're not irked are you? It's just roving hippies, it's not like they're "doing" anything.


I stand for their right to do this, plain and simple.

I hate conservative assholes that think might makes right until they get a bottle stuck in their leg and they are whining like little bitches.

[RaiderH8r]

I stand for their right to do this, plain and simple.

I hate conservative a-holes that think might makes right until they get a bottle stuck in their leg and they are whining like little b****es.
But love liberal a-holes that think might makes right until they get a boot up their ass and are whining like little b!tches. The difference is a conservative takes his beating and leaves it at that. A liberal will cry to the press, the Congress, their mommy, the Mullahs, and anyone else who will listen to their sorrowful tales of oppression. Boo fvcking hoo, would you like cream and sugar with that asse kicking?

[alkemical]

But love liberal a-holes that think might makes right until they get a boot up their ass and are whining like little b!tches. The difference is a conservative takes his beating and leaves it at that. A liberal will cry to the press, the Congress, their mommy, the Mullahs, and anyone else who will listen to their sorrowful tales of oppression. Boo fvcking hoo, would you like cream and sugar with that asse kicking?


really, i see alot of conservites crying to congress and to the press. "my schools are ruined by liberals, liberals are the cause of everything that's wrong... etc etc"

Conservatives=Liberals

End of story.

[elsid13]

Dammint the idiot are going to screw up traffic in DC. It pain in ass getting in and out as it is. Hopefully they will try to bond with folks of NW.

[Spider]

Traffic , you boys should try Downtown Hanna Wyoming during rush hour ...Ha!

[RaiderH8r]

Dammint the idiot are going to screw up traffic in DC. It pain in ass getting in and out as it is. Hopefully they will try to bond with folks of NW.
Precisely my point. I hate protesters.

[Spider]

Conservatives=Liberals

End of story.
So ready to go Zel Miller on you right now ;D

[alkemical]

So ready to go Zel Miller on you right now ;D


how far am i on it spider?

[elsid13]

Traffic , you boys should try Downtown Hanna Wyoming during rush hour ...Ha!


I figure if the mule blocking traffic doesn't move, you just shoot it. wish I could do that here.

On Serious note, DC has more police departments, and security folks then anywhere in the world. The Federal Protection Service got a whole bunch of new tools and dogs that they need to test. The threat to storm to White House is a federal crime and can be consider a dangerous threat. The Secret Service will be knocking on some doors pretty soon.

[alkemical]

I figure if the mule blocking traffic doesn't move, you just shoot it. wish I could do that here.

On Serious note, DC has more police departments, and security folks then anywhere in the world. The Federal Protection Service got a whole bunch of new tools and dogs that they need to test. The threat to storm to White House is a federal crime and can be consider a dangerous threat. The Secret Service will be knocking on some doors pretty soon.


Of course it's a fedral crime, those in power don't want to loose their power, but then if we abolish the gov't, then they don't have the power.

[bendog]

wanna bet they get some warrantless taps? (lol, though not happily)

[Spider]

how far am i on it spider?
inches

[Spider]

I figure if the mule blocking traffic doesn't move, you just shoot it. wish I could do that here.


you just cant go around shooting peoples wives here in wyoming ........

[elsid13]

Of course it's a fedral crime, those in power don't want to loose their power, but then if we abolish the gov't, then they don't have the power.


Out of curiosity, have you picked out your cabin in woods yet.

[alkemical]

Out of curiosity, have you picked out your cabin in woods yet.


yes, yes i have :)

[RaiderH8r]

Out of curiosity, have you picked out your cabin in woods yet.
:tinfoilha

[bendog]

FEMA's lost a lot of trailers somewhere. I could get one of those and park it somewhere.

[RaiderH8r]

FEMA's lost a lot of trailers somewhere. I could get one of those and park it somewhere.
For some reason they were reported missing after nearing Kansas City:mullet1: hmmm...

[Hotrod]

If someone was smart they would make this a pay per view. I bet they could charge 50 bucks per household. Title it something like "hippies vs dudes with guns"

[elsid13]

If someone was smart they would make this a pay per view. I bet they could charge 50 bucks per household. Title it something like "hippies vs dudes with guns"


When it your tax dollars at work, I think it should be free.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Oh c'mon LABF. After you posted stuff from, 'smirkingchimp.com', or whatever its correct name was, I feel I have every right to post something from newsmax. That and you post stuff from 'buckfush.com?'

Give me a break you hypocritical punk.

I never suggested you didn't have the right to post anything you wanted, dumb sh*t.

Just remember that people, in turn, have every right to laugh at your silly right-wing propaganda.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Precisely my point. I hate protesters.

Dude, you really need to move to China where they don't have any of that pesky "democracy" and "free speech" crap.

They'd probably let you wear your swastika right on your sleeve where everyone can see and admire it.

:D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

My parents were lucky enough to have had dinner with Dubya at the White House recently. They were pretty jazzed about it.

:TJnPopps:

Ewwwww!

I just threw up in my mouth.

[ClevelandBronco]

Ewwwww!

I just threw up in my mouth.

I knew you'd like it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I knew you'd like it.

It's comparable to boasting "my folks had dinner with John Gotti or Al Capone, and it was a real honor."

:pity:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Thank goodness the Supreme Court recently made a decision allowing protesters to continue to protest outside of state-funded abortion clinics.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Thank goodness the Supreme Court recently made a decision allowing protesters to continue to protest outside of state-funded abortion clinics.

Well, Hallelujah!

Praaaaaaise Jay-sus!

http://www.bartcop.com/xtreme-Jesus.jpg

[Spider]

Thank goodness the Supreme Court recently made a decision allowing protesters to continue to protest outside of state-funded abortion clinics. this should make Raiderh8er happy , he hates protesters , maybe he can do to these Protesters what he wanted to do to other protesters !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spider]

Man if I ever come by one of these clinics that has protesters , i will make a sign saying abort now , use the money you would have spent for the little bastards college fund , put it in a health savings account

[DBruleU]

Man if I ever come by one of these abortion clinic that has protesters , i will buy a cabbage patch doll and nail it to a board , and put , the sooner these little bastards die the better for the over population problem .......

The sooner this little bastards die, the better for population? You cant be serious.

That sounds a bit harsh in my opinion. Making light of killing babies....

[Spider]

The sooner this little bastards die, the better for population? You cant be serious.

That sounds a bit harsh in my opinion. Making light of killing babies....
just think if your parents would have aborted you , you would have been spared me and LABF's post ......... every dark cloud has a silver linning

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

just think if your parents would have aborted you , you would have been spared me and LABF's post ......... every dark cloud has a silver linning

:rofl:

[TheDave]

Extreme Jesus Hilarious!

i just can't get enough of that...

[Bronx33]

So did the granola march go down?

[TheDave]

So did the granola march go down?

March 15

[Bronx33]

March 15


Good thing the white house has no clue as to when it's going down.

[TheDave]

Good thing the white house has no clue as to when it's going down.


keep in mind this is Newsmax we are talking about... so who really knows when or if this is going down.

Could be entertaining though.

[elsid13]

keep in mind this is Newsmax we are talking about... so who really knows when or if this is going down.

Could be entertaining though.


I buying popcorn and a good stout, and watch it from the comfort of living room in HD. Sweeeet

[Crushaholic]

this should make Raiderh8er happy , he hates protesters , maybe he can do to these Protesters what he wanted to do to other protesters !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they protest peacefully, that's fine. If they storm the clinics and shoot abortion doctors like some of them have done in the past, it's just as disgraceful...

[RaiderH8r]

Dude, you really need to move to China where they don't have any of that pesky "democracy" and "free speech" crap.

They'd probably let you wear your swastika right on your sleeve where everyone can see and admire it.

:D
I have the same right to protest their stupid bullsh!@t as they do to protest anything else. Right here, between the left and right nut.

But NOOOOOO, right to life protesters garner a disproportionate amount of disdain from the likes of you. Free speech only applies to that speech with which you agree. That's not free speech dumbass. I hate ALL protesters and that's my right. At least I'm not a hypocrite about my disdain for protesters.

[RaiderH8r]

this should make Raiderh8er happy , he hates protesters , maybe he can do to these Protesters what he wanted to do to other protesters !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pretty much. These douchers need a job just like the hippies. Ill-informed malcontents...just like the hippies. Fvck'em. But the glaring difference between me and liberals is my consistency in my position. I don't embrace one protester's position and oppose another's based on their respective stance.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I have the same right to protest their stupid bullsh!@t as they do to protest anything else.

Who said you didn't? Little testy, ain't ya?

But NOOOOOO, right to life protesters garner a disproportionate amount of disdain from the likes of you.

Disdain for someone's ideas or positions isn't the same thing as disdain for their right to protest.

I hate a lot of people's ideas in this forum, for example, but you don't see me working TJ or the mods to get those people banned. That's the difference between my side and your side.

I hate ALL protesters...

Which was my original point.

To say that you hate protesters is tantamount to saying that you hate the Bill or Rights or that you hate democracy (but we already knew that about you.)

[RaiderH8r]

Who said you didn't? Little testy, ain't ya?



Disdain for someone's ideas or positions isn't the same thing as disdain for their right to protest.

I hate a lot of people's ideas in this forum, for example, but you don't see me working TJ or the mods to get those people banned. That's the difference between my side and your side.



Which was my original point.

To say that you hate protesters is tantamount to saying that you hate the Bill or Rights or that you hate democracy (but we already knew that about you.)
You may be carrying some badge of honor knowing that some complain to the mods about you, I am not one of those.

And you know exactly two things, jack and sh!t.

[Spider]

Pretty much. These douchers need a job just like the hippies. Ill-informed malcontents...just like the hippies. Fvck'em. But the glaring difference between me and liberals is my consistency in my position. I don't embrace one protester's position and oppose another's based on their respective stance.
they have the right ot protest like anyone else ......... I dont agree with them , but they have that right as anyone else does , thats the consistency we are looking for

[elsid13]

they have the right ot protest like anyone else ......... I dont agree with them , but they have that right as anyone else does , thats the consistency we are looking for


They do have the right to protest as long as they don't cause a public security issue, or threaten lives, property, etc. Storming the white house is one of the stupidest idea I heard in long time. I actually hoping they do it, just to stop the idiots from breeding.

[Spider]

They do have the right to protest as long as they don't cause a public security issue, or threaten lives, property, etc. Storming the white house is one of the stupidest idea I heard in long time. I actually hoping they do it, just to stop the idiots from breeding.
Of course storming the white house is stupid , they need to storm a ranch in Crawford Texas ;D

[elsid13]

Of course storming the white house is stupid , they need to storm a ranch in Crawford Texas ;D


Deal with the Secret Service and DC Cops or Secret Service and the Texas Rangers - Which would you prefer??

[Spider]

Deal with the Secret Service and DC Cops or Secret Service and the Texas Rangers - Which would you prefer??
I would rather face the Texas Rangers ......... But the seceret Service is also in Texas when Bush is there ...........

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And you know exactly two things, jack and sh!t.

I'll take that as a failure to actually rebut the points I made.

[RaiderH8r]

I'll take that as a failure to actually rebut the points I made.
It's a precise statement of the total of your knowledge on the issue.

Disdain for protesters does not imply, as you would wet yourself to believe, the same for the bill of rights. But simple minds make simple connections.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It's a precise statement of the total of your knowledge on the issue.

Disdain for protesters does not imply, as you would wet yourself to believe, the same for the bill of rights. But simple minds make simple connections.

:bs:

You said "I hate protesters."

This is, in essence, the same as saying "I hate the First Amendment" (or parts thereof.)

You have the right to hate all of the above - I'm just letting you know that it's not very American of you. tsk tsk

[RaiderH8r]

:bs:

You said "I hate protesters."

This is, in essence, the same as saying "I hate the First Amendment" (or parts thereof.)

You have the right to hate all of the above - I'm just letting you know that it's not very American of you. tsk tsk
It is in no way, shape, or form the same thing as saying "I hate the First Amendment", or parts thereof. My disdain of people who engage in protests is wholly separate from the right guaranteeing them the freedom to do so. Your presumptuous leap to a conclusion that is wholly separate from my statement is further indication of your intellectual dishonesty. You don't even bother to ask the question "why?" but rather to assert a conclusion that is not supported by the statement, but that's just par for the course for you.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

My disdain of people who engage in protests is wholly separate from the right guaranteeing them the freedom to do so.

But you didn't say "I hate people who engage in protests" (in which case your hatred could be about something other than the act of protest.)

You said "I hate protesters."

And are you really trying to convince us that you support the right to protest but hate the act itself? (Or anyone who exercises said right?)

Why bother with the denial and the charade here?

You've already established yourself as a neo-McCarthyite who supports fascism.

[RaiderH8r]

But you didn't say "I hate people who engage in protests" (in which case your hatred could be about something other than the act of protest.)

You said "I hate protesters."

And are you really trying to convince us that you support the right to protest but hate the act itself? (Or anyone who exercises said right?)

Why bother with the denial and the charade here?

You've already established yourself as a neo-McCarthyite who supports fascism.
Protesters-those who engage in protest.
Protesting-the act of engaging in a protest.

Are you really this dumb?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Protesters-those who engage in protest.
Protesting-the act of engaging in a protest.

Are you really this dumb?

When you say "I hate protestors" you are not specifying anything other than the person's act of protest itself as the object of hatred.

When you say "I hate people who engage in protest" then the grammatical object is "people" (in which case the hatred could be about something else.)

Surely you're not so dumb as to not see the difference?

[RaiderH8r]

When you say "I hate protestors" you are not specifying anything other than the person's act of protest itself as the object of hatred.

When you say "I hate people who engage in protest" then the grammatical object is "people" (in which case the hatred could be about something else.)

Surely you're not so dumb as to not see the difference?
Oh yes, the people first speak. I forgot my english to liberal translation book.

Protestors are people who engage in protests. Same thing.

However, what is abundantly clear is what I did not say. I did not say I hate the right to protest.

No matter because your conclusion is wrong.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

However, what is abundantly clear is what I did not say. I did not say I hate the right to protest.

You stated that you hate anyone who exercises the right to protest, but you have no problem with the right itself?

I hear Spider is still offering that oceanfront property in Wyoming...

Ha!

So I guess we can summarize your position as follows:

"I respect the right to protest as long as no one exercises that right."

[RaiderH8r]

You stated that you hate anyone who exercises the right to protest, but you have no problem with the right itself?

I hear Spider is still offering that oceanfront property in Wyoming...

Ha!

So I guess we can summarize your position as follows:

"I respect the right to protest as long as no one exercises that right."
Wrong again. The summary is:
I respect the right to protest as long as it doesn't fvck up my commute.

Weekends, before I'm here, or after I'm gone just don't fvck up my commute.

[Bronx33]

Wasn't that today?

[Spider]

Wasn't that today?
newsmax once again gets it wrong ..... DBruleU just learned a lesson ....... Hilarious! yeah who am I kidding the guy is dumber then a box of rocks

[alkemical]

Yeah i was wondering if it was hype/hoax -

[elsid13]

Well traffic still sucked coming out of DC. On side note we did have crazy cabby causing problems yesterday it shut down the GW parkway.

[DBruleU]

newsmax once again gets it wrong ..... DBruleU just learned a lesson ....... Hilarious! yeah who am I kidding the guy is dumber then a box of rocks

Man Spider, can you ever engage in a conversation without attacking someone personally? You might want to work on that, you'll get more respect that way.

And who says newsmax lied? Maybe these idiots were all talk like they always are. They just didnt follow through with that they said.

[alkemical]

or maybe newsmax was blowing more smoke out their asses... well... like they've done so many other times.

Used to read newsmax & commondreams - and both are the same for each side.

[DBruleU]

Or maybe they werent. No proof they lied about this...these hippies were once again just all talk. No surprise. Did you really expect them to even attempt to follow through with this?

[RaiderH8r]

Well traffic still sucked coming out of DC. On side note we did have crazy cabby causing problems yesterday it shut down the GW parkway.
They got high and forgot to show up.

[alkemical]

or the nSSa found out and threw them in the haliburton internment camps which we will soon accomidate.

[Spider]

Man Spider, can you ever engage in a conversation without attacking someone personally? You might want to work on that, you'll get more respect that way. who says i need your respect ? you defended newsmax ,actually told me when I bashed newsmax you wanted links ....... then said I had no cred on this ........well guess what

And who says newsmax lied? Maybe these idiots were all talk like they always are. They just didnt follow through with that they said.
Just like Saddam dumped all the WMD into a tanker and sent it out to the Atlantic ,or Saddam was staying in Syria in a plush hotel , or we have Saddams security guard and he knows exactly were the WMD were , they was hidden under a seceret door in the desert ........... Nuff said about news max ......and Drudge is no better

[alkemical]

drudge reminds me of that guy who wasn't popular, now he's like "hey look at me, i'm on the radio and i'm making fun of you now... i wish i was as cool as you, but look i called you trashy!"

[Hotrod]

Ill say Im pretty disappointed I was hoping to go home tonight....suck down a couple of beers....put my feet up...and watch news clips of hippies getting the snot beat out of them.....oh well fricking hippies screwed up my evening.

[alkemical]

yes, another kent state will do the country well.

[Spider]

drudge reminds me of that guy who wasn't popular, now he's like "hey look at me, i'm on the radio and i'm making fun of you now... i wish i was as cool as you, but look i called you trashy!"
LOL

[Spider]

Ill say Im pretty disappointed I was hoping to go home tonight....suck down a couple of beers....put my feet up...and watch news clips of hippies getting the snot beat out of them.....oh well fricking hippies screwed up my evening.
:~ohyah!: maybe next time

[alkemical]

it's true spider, i find him a whiney little bitch.

coast to coast am is so much better :)

[Spider]

it's true spider, i find him a whiney little b****.

coast to coast am is so much better :)
i wish I got that program , but being in the heart of a red state all I get is Rush , Savage , Ingram , Michale Reagan , and Paul Harvey ........

[alkemical]

i wish I got that program , but being in the heart of a red state all I get is Rush , Savage , Ingram , Michale Reagan , and Paul Harvey ........


find and see, it's on late spider (overnite)

www.coasttocoastam.com

[Spider]

find and see, it's on late spider (overnite)

www.coasttocoastam.com
Cool thanks Bro ......... Not to sure about the UFO thing though ;D

[Hotrod]

yes, another kent state will do the country well.

Kent state I guess Im not familur with that does it involve the brutal beating of hippies??? and if so do you have that on tape???

[RaiderH8r]

Kent state I guess Im not familur with that does it involve the brutal beating of hippies??? and if so do you have that on tape???
It involves national guard, hippies, and guns.

[Hotrod]

It involves national guard, hippies, and guns.

Is that out on video yet Ha!

[alkemical]

is american culture killing our kids, or is killing our kids american culture?

[Hotrod]

is american culture killing our kids, or is killing our kids american culture?

Hey dont mess with my head in the mornings please ;D

I actually dont know crap about the "kent state" thing so if its actually a touchy subject Im sorry......

[alkemical]

Hey dont mess with my head in the mornings please ;D

I actually dont know crap about the "kent state" thing so if its actually a touchy subject Im sorry......


Look it up sometime.

[Spider]

Hey dont mess with my head in the mornings please ;D

I actually dont know crap about the "kent state" thing so if its actually a touchy subject Im sorry......Kent Sate .... where to begin ....well the overall jist is a demonstration over the draft lottery and Cambodia, lasting 4 days ends up with the Ohio state gaurd shooting 4 people ...........
But the abondon ROTC building was on fire , these prostesters where cheering , but according to police officers and firemen , they was hit with rocks , this forced the Gov. of Ohio ( dont remember his name ) to call in the Ohio guard ..... The next day the Guardsmen tried to use tear gas to break up the crowd , that had no effect , then there was some more rock throwing and the guard opened fire , but the pisser is 2 of the students that were killed were not protesting it is alleged they was walking to another class ........This happened back in the 70's and Mega props to amesj , for knowing it ..... it was an ugly time ..........

[Spider]

***EDIT*** .. 4 were killed , but several were shot ..........

[Hotrod]

Ah the 70's I was still trying to get of my addiction to training wheels on my bike that had the bannana seat and little ringer thing on the handle bars ;D

[Spider]

Ah the 70's I was still trying to get of my addiction to training wheels on my bike that had the bannana seat and little ringer thing on the handle bars ;D
man I had a cool bikecycle, Chopper ,sissy bar, chrome fenders ,ape hanger handlebars , and put playing cards in the spokes for sound effect ;D
Man I loved movies like easy rider , Billy Jack ............

[Hotrod]

man I had a cool bikecycle, Chopper ,sissy bar, chrome fenders ,ape hanger handlebars , and put playing cards in the spokes for sound effect ;D

LOL forgot all about the playing card trick. Hmm gonna have to show that to hotrod jr this weekend.

[Spider]

LOL forgot all about the playing card trick. Hmm gonna have to show that to hotrod jr this weekend.
LOL ........ I bought my 2 boys, those Chopper bikes , and showed them the card trick ...........Man the back tire on those Bikes are realy fat

[Hotrod]

LOL ........ I bought my 2 boys, those Chopper bikes , and showed them the card trick ...........Man the back tire on those Bikes are realy fat

I bought jr a (your gonna love this one) 20 dollar walmart special he's gonna have to live with that until he gets off the dang training wheels then we'll look at a better bike.

[Crushaholic]

Hey dont mess with my head in the mornings please ;D

I actually dont know crap about the "kent state" thing so if its actually a touchy subject Im sorry......

http://www.spectacle.org/595/kent.html

[Spider]

I bought jr a (your gonna love this one) 20 dollar walmart special he's gonna have to live with that until he gets off the dang training wheels then we'll look at a better bike.
;D I wish I could got that cheap ... my 4 year old has one of those Choppers with training wheels , actually the thing looks pretty cool ...... I spent close to 300.00 on those 2 bikes .....

[alkemical]

that's a good link crush

[Spider]

http://www.spectacle.org/595/kent.html
Scathing report , and I couldnt disagree with it , alot of the emotion over that time , what the author didnt touch on was significance of kent state and why it had such an impact ......... back then when you said protester , you thought of some dippy hippy , high on weed , free love ,commune living ,kids , that didnt understand , that were bad people in this world , that wanted to bad things ....But Kent state showed a new kind of protester , a Richie Cunningham with an attitude , a well to do Kid from the suburbs , Kent State realy changed the face of protesting and who protest ...........

[elsid13]

Is that out on video yet Ha!


I wouldn't rent that video, not enough naked chicks. And the one that there are have hairy armpits ;D

[Hotrod]

I wouldn't rent that video, not enough naked chicks. And the one that there are have hairy armpits ;D

LOL

[Cito Pelon]

I actually dont know crap about the "kent state" thing so if its actually a touchy subject Im sorry......

You don't know your own country's history. Educate yourself.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You don't know your own country's history. Educate yourself.

Amen! :thumbsup:

No wonder people can be duped so easily by the likes of BushCo.

[Cito Pelon]

Amen! :thumbsup:

No wonder people can be duped so easily by the likes of BushCo.

That's Democracy. Gotta deal with a lot of different people and views, and keep the pot from boiling over. It's no surprise that there are only what, 5-6 Democracies that have been in existence longer than 100 years. Even Great Britain wasn't a Democracy before 1911 when the House of Lords was stripped of their veto power over the House of Commons. Democracies are hard to maintain, mostly because the strongest elements of society hate to lose control. Law and Order, baby. Law and Order. It's nearly irresistible sometimes. Just read Henry Kissinger's memoirs of the Nixon years (Kent State was a part of that). What Nixon and a whole lot of other people were scared of was losing the sense of Law and Order. And there was certainly a lot of domestic lawlessness and disorder in those times. Now there is not, but the strongest elements of society like to keep things on the edge of that, so their power is needed. It can get to a vicious circle if there are not enough people that recognize the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, and that eternal vigilance has to start at home. Money and power cliques have to be balanced by citizens. This is a great country, and we didn't get to this point by allowing big money and power cliques to shove Joe Lunchbox around. We got to this point by Joe Lunchbox countering the tendency to consolidation of power by money, power cliques, big business.

What made this country what it is today is labor, unions, the Progressives of Theodore Roosevelt, the "Organize or Perish" movement from 1885-1912. Naturally, a progressive society needs the individuals with grand dreams, the builders, the entrepreneurs, those individuals with the megalomaniacal drive to be the Supreme Ruler of All Mankind, but no way you allow them to get too carried away with themselves. This country is what it is because the mass of the Great Unwashed is a check on those megalomaniacs that potentially have the charisma, the Machiavellianism, the money to become a Supreme Leader type of guy. What made this country great is people that knew well enough and had the backbone to say, "Hey, that's enough from you. Shut up and sit down. We'll decide what the best course is, I've heard enough from you." It's actually a good argument for the 2nd Amendment, the right to "Keep and Bear Arms."

There is a very fine line between Democracy and anarchy. We are all very lucky to be Americans, in a society where the bureaucrats aren't ruled exclusively by bribery or nepotism, or fear of assassination. We are a very solid society, the oldest democracy on this planet. I think the idea of spreading democracy is a great idea. That is the new "Organize or Perish" deal for the planet as a whole. Either the democracies that now exist - and there are only a handful - organize against the anarchist countries, or the democracies will perish.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That's Democracy. Gotta deal with a lot of different people and views, and keep the pot from boiling over. It's no surprise that there are only what, 5-6 Democracies that have been in existence longer than 100 years. Even Great Britain wasn't a Democracy before 1911 when the House of Lords was stripped of their veto power over the House of Commons. Democracies are hard to maintain, mostly because the strongest elements of society hate to lose control. Law and Order, baby. Law and Order. It's nearly irresistible sometimes. Just read Henry Kissinger's memoirs of the Nixon years (Kent State was a part of that). What Nixon and a whole lot of other people were scared of was losing the sense of Law and Order. And there was certainly a lot of domestic lawlessness and disorder in those times. Now there is not, but the strongest elements of society like to keep things on the edge of that, so their power is needed. It can get to a vicious circle if there are not enough people that recognize the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, and that eternal vigilance has to start at home. Money and power cliques have to be balanced by citizens. This is a great country, and we didn't get to this point by allowing big money and power cliques to shove Joe Lunchbox around. We got to this point by Joe Lunchbox countering the tendency to consolidation of power by money, power cliques, big business.

What made this country what it is today is labor, unions, the Progressives of Theodore Roosevelt, the "Organize or Perish" movement from 1885-1912. Naturally, a progressive society needs the individuals with grand dreams, the builders, the entrepreneurs, those individuals with the megalomaniacal drive to be the Supreme Ruler of All Mankind, but no way you allow them to get too carried away with themselves. This country is what it is because the mass of the Great Unwashed is a check on those megalomaniacs that potentially have the charisma, the Machiavellianism, the money to become a Supreme Leader type of guy. What made this country great is people that knew well enough and had the backbone to say, "Hey, that's enough from you. Shut up and sit down. We'll decide what the best course is, I've heard enough from you." It's actually a good argument for the 2nd Amendment, the right to "Keep and Bear Arms."

There is a very fine line between Democracy and anarchy. We are all very lucky to be Americans, in a society where the bureaucrats aren't ruled exclusively by bribery or nepotism, or fear of assassination. We are a very solid society, the oldest democracy on this planet. I think the idea of spreading democracy is a great idea. That is the new "Organize or Perish" deal for the planet as a whole. Either the democracies that now exist - and there are only a handful - organize against the anarchist countries, or the democracies will perish.


Excellent post. :thumbsup:

As for spreading democracy, I'm all for it, but if Bush's Iraq fiasco proves anything, it's that you can't force democracy on other people at gunpoint.
Indeed, this is a contradiction inasmuch as democracy = self-determination.

(Not that BushCo is really trying to spread democracy; BushCo is trying to spread global corporate hegemony and call it "democracy" or "freedom" when it is, in fact, serfdom and neo-feudalism.)

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That would be a nice temporary administration. :unamused:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/2/134413.shtml?s=ic

An anti-war group that belongs to the umbrella organization United for Peace and Justice (UPJ) has announced that it intends to topple the Bush administration during a March 15 Washington, D.C. protest.

In a message headlined "Storm the White House" that appears on the UPJ Web site, the group Political Cooperative is urging its members:

"TAKE THE WHITE HOUSE BY STORM, Stop Genocide, Torture and Occupation."

The message goes on to explain:


"We will not allow the Slave Holders that Still Prevail in this Country to Rule us any longer . . . The Administration is Criminal and if they will not step down, we must storm in, show them how many of us do not accept a criminal government."

The Political Cooperative goes so far as to announce its plans to install an interim government after the Bush administration is toppled:

"The Political Cooperative will put a new, temporary government in place that is comprised of people from Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and all the organizations that have finally made us aware of the truth of the savage practices and illegal policies of our government in assassinating our own officials as well as people throughout the world who oppose their criminal activity."

Bush-bashing filmmaker Michael Moore apparently endorses the coup plan, linking to the "Storm the White House" message on his Web site.

I say let the Wackos run the country. They couldn't do any worse of a job than what's being done now..