PFT: Broncos reached deal for Abraham!

[Gcver2ver3]

Here is the article...

PFT is trying to confirm this report...

some of you may like this...some of you won't

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm


ABRAHAM TRADED TO BRONCOS?



A.J. Vaynerchuck of JetsTV.com reports that the New York Jets have struck a deal to ship defensive end John Abraham to the Broncos in exchange for a first-round pick.


We're in the process of trying to confirm the report.



The Broncos hold the 22nd and 29th picks in round one. Vaynerchuk believes that the 29th pick is being sent to New York.



Our guess is that the Jets might then try to dangle the two first-round picks in an effort to jump up even higher in the draft, possibly as high as the No. 1 overall spot on the board. The Texans could be tempted to make a deal, since it would enable them to snag a guy like tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson at No. 4, giving them another first-rounder later in the day.



NFL teams use a chart that applies point values to draft picks for trade purposes. We don't know whether, under the chart, a No. 4 and a No. 29 would be enough to justify a trade up to No. 1. It's possible that the Jets might have to throw in another pick or two, if they indeed intend to make a run at the top spot.



The Jets slapped the franchise tag on Abraham a week ago, and Abraham has made clear his desire to get out of New York. The Jets have been shopping him for the past few days.



If the report is true, the Broncos' decision to cut on Wednesday defensive lineman Trevor Pryce, running back Mike Anderson, and tight end Jeb Putzier makes plenty of sense. The Broncos needed to clear cap room in order to absorb the new deal that Abraham undoubtedly will sign with the Jets, after putting his John Hancock on the franchise tag. The Jets then would trade the new contract to Denver.



To avoid a cap hit for the Jets, the deal undoubtedly will include not a signing bonus but an option bonus payment due within a few days after the trade is consummated, putting the entire responsibility for his cap number in 2006 and beyond (if there's a cap) on the Broncos.

[Ratboy]

Either this guy is good, or he just ****ing fooled everyone.

[Rascal]

A.J. Vaynerchuck who is teenager making video's from his dorm room between classes.

The fact they used this guy as their source is funny.

[Clockwork Orange]

They're going by the JetsTV report. :kiddingme

[WABronco]

The A.J. guys is the teenager in his room, right?

Anyways, at least they'll get their noses dirty trying to figure out what's what.

[Mile High Shack]

They're going by the JetsTV report. :kiddingme

which was done by a dude in his dorm room

[WABronco]

They're going by the JetsTV report. :kiddingme

Lol, I know:spit: . Maybe it's a little more legit than we think though...

[WABronco]

Either this guy is good, or he just ****ing fooled everyone.
ROFL! ROFL!

Watch out for Jason in LA, he's gonna explode on this.

[Mile High Shack]

this kid is going to be a famous idiot that is for sure

which once again proves that we should never trust PFT

[WABronco]

this kid is going to be a famous idiot that is for sure

which once again proves that we should never trust PFT

How 'bout we wait 'til the guy is traded to a new team...

[ludo21]

Edit the thread title - saying, Jason in LA, dont open. Ha!

I hope its the 29th pick if its true.

[Gcver2ver3]

I'm not sure if this is true or not...

if it is....i guess i'm glad....

i mean who could we get that late in the first round for a player of abraham's calibur?

my thoughts is if this is true how can we afford him and still go after free agents and sign draft picks?

[Ratboy]

this kid is going to be a famous idiot that is for sure

which once again proves that we should never trust PFT

and if he's right?

[Gcver2ver3]

Edit the thread title - saying, Jason in LA, dont open. Ha!

I hope its the 29th pick if its true.



the article says it is the 29th pick

[Mile High Shack]

and if he's right?

I'd say the odds are against it

but if he is right

major cudos to Mr. A.J. puff'n'stuff from Hofstra University

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Wow, another thread about another website reporting that a kid in a dorm room said the deal is done. It must be true now.

[WABronco]

Wow, another thread about another website reporting that a kid in a dorm room said the deal is done. It must be true now.

You know it...

[ludo21]

You know it...


who else is there, the "experts" lol

Abraham is a beast, and if its true, its good news. I hope the cap situation will be fine.

[OrangeShadow]

if it was true id be cool with it. think with our picks what D Lineman could we get that would make an impact his first year?

[24champ]

Assuming this rumor is true.....Our D-line could be Brown, Bunkley, Warren, Abraham.....

[ozomulsion]

which was done by a dude in his dorm room

I didn't have a dorm room when I was 9. Ha!

[ro_50]

This kid goes to Hofstra, maybe he has connections to Wayne Chrebet.

[Gcver2ver3]

they are talking about the trade report on 950 AM

they aren't sure what to make of this either

[clint7]

"Live from the Hofstra's Honors Dorm, it's 'Jets Talk' with A.J. Vaynerchuck, your insider for all things...
J-E-T-S!"

[Hercules Rockefeller]

So can a mod close this thread? An incredibly weak source is reporting this trade, which already has a thread, and all PFT did was report that.

[eddie mac]

Assuming this rumor is true.....Our D-line could be Brown, Bunkley, Warren, Abraham.....

To date it's not 100% we'll have any of those never mind all 4.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I sure hope that this isnt true. A #1 is waaaaay to much.

[Ratboy]

Where is Wabbit when you need him?

[jet19]

Well the little fella has me convinced, i mean come on it looked like a well made video and he did say a Very good source.

LOL

[TexanBob]

If we wanted a crybaby who pouts all the time about his contract and getting disrespected, couldn't we just get T.O. instead?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Why on earth would we add a player that will hit the cap that hard?

[Boogerboots]

If the report is true, the Broncos' decision to cut on Wednesday defensive lineman Trevor Pryce, running back Mike Anderson, and tight end Jeb Putzier makes plenty of sense. The Broncos needed to clear cap room in order to absorb the new deal that Abraham undoubtedly will sign with the Jets, after putting his John Hancork on the franchise tag. The Jets then would trade the new contract to Denver.

Well anytime a guy puts his John Hancork on something I guess it must be legit. :giggle:

[jet19]

Why on earth would we add a player that will hit the cap that hard?
I quess he could sign a long term deal and the cap hit may not be so big? im no expert though

[Gcver2ver3]

If we wanted a crybaby who pouts all the time about his contract and getting disrespected, couldn't we just get T.O. instead?



if and i do mean IF a new cba extension is made....we'll be able to get both...

that would be sweet IMO....AND we'd still have a 1st round pick to use....probably grab another stud D-lineman or a stud RB

[Kaylore]

I hope its not for a first. I REALLY hope its some kind of packaged pick deal.

[Gcver2ver3]

Well anytime a guy puts his John Hancork on something I guess it must be legit. :giggle:



that's not my quote....that is an article from PFT

[DomCasual]

They're going by the JetsTV report. :kiddingme
Which has to be one of the funniest videos I have seen in, like, eleventy hours.

"I had to get rid of my blanket, so bear with me!"

Classic.

My seven-year-old is reporting that John Elway is coming out of retirement. Invader Zim told him.

[Gcver2ver3]

I hope its not for a first. I REALLY hope its some kind of packaged pick deal.



well....if you take salary out of the equation...

who do we get that late in the 1st round that is a player the calibur of abraham?...


abraham is proven and in his prime.......

[Kaylore]

well....if you take salary out of the equation...

who do we get that late in the 1st round that is a player the calibur of abraham?...


abraham is proven and in his prime.......
That's a good point. It's our lower pick too. More importantly, he gets sacks. That's something we haven't really been able to do for some time. I'm going to try and imagine it like we're drafting him in the first round late. I'd still like one of their second or third round picks, though.

[Ratboy]

That's a good point. It's our lower pick too. More importantly, he gets sacks. That's something we haven't really been able to do for some time. I'm going to try and imagine it like we're drafting him in the first round late. I'd still like one of their second or third round picks, though.


Thats my scenerio. Can we honestly draft someone better than Abraham at 29? Maybe, but i doubt it.

[Hotrod]

well....if you take salary out of the equation...

who do we get that late in the 1st round that is a player the calibur of abraham?...


abraham is proven and in his prime.......

Exactly it would be IMO the steal of the year :yep:

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Thats my scenerio. Can we honestly draft someone better than Abraham at 29? Maybe, but i doubt it.

It's not just the 29th pick, it's the 29th pick + the rest of the cap room that Denver could use that would instead be committed to JA.

[rbackfactory80]

You know, 3rd and long, other team is driving. Qb steps back in the pocket, and all you here is brought down by Abraham!

[epicSocialism4tw]

It's not just the 29th pick, it's the 29th pick + the rest of the cap room that Denver could use that would instead be committed to JA.

That's exactly it. Im sure that Denver has plans to reconsider at least MA. How would they be able to add another significant piece if they bring in that bloated contract? They are just reintroducing the problems they had with Trevor on the payroll with a player who has had just as many injury issues.

This whole thing doesnt make much sense.

[dbfan4life]

Anyone have ESPN Insider? There's a tidbit about the Broncos making a move for Abraham.

[Odysseus]

Is anybody excited about this move?

[-Slap-]

I sure hope that this isnt true. A #1 is waaaaay to much.
A #3 is too much for that candyass prima donna.

[Hotrod]

Is anybody excited about this move?

Put Hotrod on top of the list. Maybe its expensive but damn I've wanted a pass rush for so long. Its the one thing missing to make our Good D into a complete powerhouse.

Got to figure in what that #29 pick would have cost to sign also.

[-Slap-]

Is anybody excited about this move?
The Jets should be thrilled.

[-Slap-]

You know, 3rd and long, other team is driving. Qb steps back in the pocket, and all you here is brought down by Abraham!
Except Abraham is on the bench with a mildy strained pinky.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Is anybody excited about this move?

I'd really like to get JA, but not if it's going to cost a 1st (and if they don't get a new CBA done).

[-Slap-]

It's not just the 29th pick, it's the 29th pick + the rest of the cap room that Denver could use that would instead be committed to JA.
Horrible deal if its for #29. Absolutely up the **** deal if its for #22.

[Broncojef]

I have ESPN insider and they only mention it under RUMINT. They are still way generic sighting Abraham wanting out and Denver being the top possibility. Absolutely no confirmation on this deal as of now. Kinda funny Legwold was just on AM950 the fan and he said he knows nothing about it and would highly doubt it, then again he seemed fuzzy on the CBA extension to Monday too.

[DBroncos4life]

the team must not think that the DEs in the draft are that good, which I don't know how they could think that.

[dbfan4life]

I have ESPN insider and they only mention it under RUMINT. They are still way generic sighting Abraham wanting out and Denver being the top possibility. Absolutely no confirmation on this deal as of now. Kinda funny Legwold was just on AM950 the fan and he said he knows nothing about it and would highly doubt it, then again he seemed fuzzy on the CBA extension to Monday too.

That's all the Insider article says???? And you have to pay for that???

[Broncojef]

I got it free for a year, to be quite honest I think you guys know stuff long before ESPN and Legwold and Williamson.

[Gcver2ver3]

Is anybody excited about this move?



Yes...I am

I understand some people's skepticism...

but shanny ain't dumb...if we've thought of the risks involved then of course so has shanny...

i think we need to give shanny the benefit of the doubt that he has an end in mind here...he has a plan...this (if the trade is true) is just one piece

i'm not gonna criticize a painting until the artist is finished painting it

[DomCasual]

There are those on the Jets board that are saying it would be a bad deal unless it is for both our #1s, or a #1 and #3, at the worst. Oh, and they are also saying they think they can trade Kevin Mawae and get a #1 - you know, the 35-year old center - that Kevin Mawae.

Wow.

Did Isiah Thomas become an NFL GM when I wasn't watching?

[Popps]

A 1st round pick is a little more than I thought we'd have to spend, assuming this rather unreliable source is correct.

That said, wouldn't this kind of mean we got Bailey and Abraham for Portis? I'll take that every day, and twice on Sunday. (And we still have a 1st round pick left.)

[Jason in LA]

If this turns out to not be true, can we get a ban on all threads that use PFT as the source. I wouldn't be shocked if they heard that the teams had spoken, then just filled in the blanks so they could have a big story. Like I said many times, nothing but a tabloid.

[HEAV]

We got hosed! If it's true.

[freak6]

My seven-year-old is reporting that John Elway is coming out of retirement. Invader Zim told him.
lmao!!!

[BlitzingDog]

you gulable little chicken cluckers you!

Jets | Abraham drawing interest
Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:57:57 -0800

NFL.com reports agents Tony Agnone and Rich Rosa, said on a conference call that four or five teams said they were "definitely interested" in New York Jets franchise DE John Abraham, but they declined to name them. "Change is good and for John Abraham moving forward, change would be good for him," Rosa said. "You get to a point in your career as a player when there's been some unfulfilled promises, you have to move through that because it's a business. That's what we've been able to do with John, have his sights set on a brighter future." Agnone and Rosa said in the best case scenario, they would come to a long-term deal with an interested team and then have the new club work out a trade with the Jets.

[BlitzingDog]

btw, that was brand spanking new. no site reports Abraham, NFL.com reported that. So yeah no deal was done.

[yavoon]

There are those on the Jets board that are saying it would be a bad deal unless it is for both our #1s, or a #1 and #3, at the worst. Oh, and they are also saying they think they can trade Kevin Mawae and get a #1 - you know, the 35-year old center - that Kevin Mawae.

Wow.

Did Isiah Thomas become an NFL GM when I wasn't watching?

we have ppl equally as bad.

[WABronco]

you gulable little chicken cluckers you!

Jets | Abraham drawing interest
Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:57:57 -0800

NFL.com reports agents Tony Agnone and Rich Rosa, said on a conference call that four or five teams said they were "definitely interested" in New York Jets franchise DE John Abraham, but they declined to name them. "Change is good and for John Abraham moving forward, change would be good for him," Rosa said. "You get to a point in your career as a player when there's been some unfulfilled promises, you have to move through that because it's a business. That's what we've been able to do with John, have his sights set on a brighter future." Agnone and Rosa said in the best case scenario, they would come to a long-term deal with an interested team and then have the new club work out a trade with the Jets.

What?

[Popps]

If this turns out to not be true, can we get a ban on all threads that use PFT as the source. I wouldn't be shocked if they heard that the teams had spoken, then just filled in the blanks so they could have a big story. Like I said many times, nothing but a tabloid.

At least this thread is based on something.

What's tiresome is the "funny" fake threads. You know... the "Broncos Sign Terrell Owens and Peyton Manning.... just kidding" threads.

Yea, that was funny the first 4000 times we saw some clever chap do it.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

At least this thread is based on something.

What's tiresome is the "funny" fake threads. You know... the "Broncos Sign Terrell Owens and Peyton Manning.... just kidding" threads.

Yea, that was funny the first 4000 times we saw some clever chap do it.

The only thing more hilarious than that are the polls with the "It's Brian's fault" option.

[BlitzingDog]

What?


In other words no deal for Abraham has been reached because 4-5 teams are still informing of his services and the Jets are still taking calls and his agent says he would love to play elsewhere, if a deal was reached he wouldn't be saying this.

[freak6]

Abraham could be a beast in our 4-3. I will believe this when I see it though. Not holding my breath. I echo most, I think it's risky at 28, but they guy produces and we were one Champ Bailey Interception (dropped) from playing in the SB.

[Popps]

The Broncos' first choice to replace him may be to swing a trade with the New York Jets for defensive end John Abraham, who has had at least 10 sacks in his past four full seasons.

However, Abraham is scheduled to make $8.33 million next season, and the Broncos are expected to be less than $5 million under the salary cap by today's deadline.

Most likely, the Broncos will move Corey Jackson from the practice squad into their defensive line rotation, which will include Courtney Brown, Ebenezer Ekuban, Gerard Warren, Michael Myers, Demetrin Veal and John Engelberger.

Has anyone heard any comment from our front office on this whole situation? They've been pretty mum on this whole thing.

[WABronco]

In other words no deal for Abraham has been reached because 4-5 teams are still informing of his services and the Jets are still taking calls and his agent says he would love to play elsewhere, if a deal was reached he wouldn't be saying this.

nfl.com is always on top of stuff too...

The trade can't even be completed until the new Sunday deadline passes...

[Requiem]

This deal is BS, I hope so anyways.

[BlitzingDog]

nfl.com is always on top of stuff too...

The trade can't even be completed until the new Sunday deadline passes...


4 sho dog!

[elsid13]

This is pure crap. Everyone thought Pryce was no good wait til you get a load of this boozo. The only reason that he gets the pub, is because he plays in NY. This is the jackass that sat out his team playoff game because he didn't want to get hurt for his FA year. This is pure crap.

[WABronco]

A 1st round pick is a little more than I thought we'd have to spend, assuming this rather unreliable source is correct.

That said, wouldn't this kind of mean we got Bailey and Abraham for Portis? I'll take that every day, and twice on Sunday. (And we still have a 1st round pick left.)

We don't have a suitable second rounder. I'd rather give up one end-of-the-round first rounder than multiple picks. We'll probably end up getting an additional mid rounder along with Abraham too...

[WABronco]

4 sho dog!

We'll see...

[ro_50]

Where is the dorm geek?

He's got to have the latest on the CBA as well.

[SportinOne]

If the Jets were looking to move up for Reggie, and you were the Texans GM, would you trade the top pick to them for the #4, the #29, and Kevin Mauwai?

this is assuming that an Abraham-to-Denver deal is made.

[Kaylore]

Well I'm relieved that that's fake. Thanks PFT.

[DomCasual]

we have ppl equally as bad.
True, but they're our stupid people.

[BlitzingDog]

It's bogus his agent give good indication of that, look at what I posted that just came out. Like this site is gonna have it on and nothing else report it?

[Broncobuddy7]

Broncos | Team talks with Jets about Abraham
Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:37:41 -0800

Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports the Denver Broncos have talked with the New York Jets about a trade involving the Jets franchise player, DL John Abraham. It is not known what the Jets are looking for in return, but it would certainly have to include a first-round draft choice.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

[-Slap-]

This is pure crap. Everyone thought Pryce was no good wait til you get a load of this boozo. The only reason that he gets the pub, is because he plays in NY. This is the jackass that sat out his team playoff game because he didn't want to get hurt for his FA year. This is pure crap.
Exactly. That's why I wouldn't want him on the team at all, never mind the utter insanity of giving up a first round pick for him.

First time in franchise history we have two numbers ones, and its the strongest draft in 5-7 years. I would flip out if we pissed away one of those number ones on a malingerer like Abraham.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Broncos | Team talks with Jets about Abraham
Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:37:41 -0800

Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports the Denver Broncos have talked with the New York Jets about a trade involving the Jets franchise player, DL John Abraham. It is not known what the Jets are looking for in return, but it would certainly have to include a first-round draft choice.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

I will be all-kinds of ticked if Denver sends a #1 for this guy.

[clint7]

The only thing more hilarious than that are the polls with the "It's Brian's fault" option.

More true words have never been written.

[Broncobuddy7]

I will be all-kinds of ticked if Denver sends a #1 for this guy.

I completely agree!

[yavoon]

True, but they're our stupid people.

=DD

[HEAV]

More true words have never been written.


This entire thread is Brian's fault! ;D

[elsid13]

This entire thread is Brian's fault! ;D


Carefully he might send his dog after you, and we all know that dog is one mean SOB.

[TexanBob]

If the Jets were looking to move up for Reggie, and you were the Texans GM, would you trade the top pick to them for the #4, the #29, and Kevin Mauwai?

this is assuming that an Abraham-to-Denver deal is made.

Using the draft value chart, the Jets should give Houston their #4, Denver's #29 and the Jets' second rounder (mid-30s). I don't think they will need to, though. The Texans really do want to move down. Bush or Young would both be nice but they have decent players at RB and QB. They have HUGE holes to fill elsewhere so they need to concentrate on those rather than glitzy stars.

No, I don't think the Texans will be interested in a long-in-the-tooth center.

For the Jets, I think their target is Leinart. They need somebody who can counteract the Eli Manning publicity machine in Gotham. Either Leinart or Bush could do the trick.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I will be all-kinds of ticked if Denver sends a #1 for this guy.

A #1 is speculation by Pasquerelli, Clayton thinks they'll get no more than a 2nd.

[Smizzy]

The A.J. guys is the teenager in his room, right?

Anyways, at least they'll get their noses dirty trying to figure out what's what.


I told you.

The kid told us 3 days in advance Sowell and Fabini were gonna be cut
He reported before any news outlet.

Check his site. it's on there. and he goes to BC and is a smart kid. He's not some kid in his mothers house making a webcam show.

[Requiem]

I'd do it for a second roundah.

[Smizzy]

Using the draft value chart, the Jets should give Houston their #4, Denver's #29 and the Jets' second rounder (mid-30s). I don't think they will need to, though. The Texans really do want to move down. Bush or Young would both be nice but they have decent players at RB and QB. They have HUGE holes to fill elsewhere so they need to concentrate on those rather than glitzy stars.

No, I don't think the Texans will be interested in a long-in-the-tooth center.

For the Jets, I think their target is Leinart. They need somebody who can counteract the Eli Manning publicity machine in Gotham. Either Leinart or Bush could do the trick.

We don't wan either.

It's Jay Cutler or D'Brickashaw Ferguson for us.

[elsid13]

I told you.

The kid told us 3 days in advance Sowell and Fabini were gonna be cut
He reported before any news outlet.

Check his site. it's on there. and he goes to BC and is a smart kid. He's not some kid in his mothers house making a webcam show.


Smizzy

Serious question, would the Jets Fanbase be glad to see this guy go?

[TexanBob]

We don't wan either.

It's Jay Cutler or D'Brickashaw Ferguson for us.

But you can stay put if you want either of those. There'd be no discussions of a trade up.

[cabronco]

I didnt like when Abraham sat out a couple playoff games, a couple years ago with a boo boo. But his sack totals last year were more than Pryce/ Brown/ Ekuban / Engelberger put together. No doubt to me, we could use a DE of this caliber.

[epicSocialism4tw]

A #1 is speculation by Pasquerelli, Clayton thinks they'll get no more than a 2nd.


It just doesnt make sense that the BT would send a #1 over there for a buy with that big of a cap number with injury problems. They are getting out from underneath that with Pryce's release. I would rather sign Brentson Buckner and keep the #1.

That # 29 is arguably a top 15 pick in another draft. This draft is way to deep to give up a number one for that kind of risk.

[WABronco]

It just doesnt make sense that the BT would send a #1 over there for a buy with that big of a cap number with injury problems. They are getting out from underneath that with Pryce's release. I would rather sign Brentson Buckner and keep the #1.

That # 29 is arguably a top 15 pick in another draft. This draft is way to deep to give up a number one for that kind of risk.

Brenston Buckner is an awesome pass rusher too...

[Rock Chalk]

OK man.

What the **** is going on? I just saw this thread and read the first page and the last page and decided no one knows **** really but the title says we did trade for him.

I gather some kid "leaked" the story and his credibility came into question. Thn it was later reported by ESPN's own Pasta Belly (and, apparently Clayton) and now said kid's credibility has been restored?

What the ****, Pasta and Clayton were probably using the kid as the source!

I dont know Abraham, so I dont want him. I know Peppers, I want him.

[WABronco]

I didnt like when Abraham sat out a couple playoff games, a couple years ago with a boo boo. But his sack totals last year were more than Pryce/ Brown/ Ekuban / Engelberger put together. No doubt to me, we could use a DE of this caliber.

Depends on what you choose to believe. What the Jets want you to hear or what is presented by conflicting reports...

[HEAV]

Smizzy

Serious question, would the Jets Fanbase be glad to see this guy go?


Yes many want him gone.


The dude scares me. He's Mr glass jaw when it comes to playing with injury's and even staying healthy for a season.

He's not worth a #1. Especially with this draft being deep! Denver will have a solid shot a top rated pass rusher and at a cheaper price then Abraham would cost.

T.O. yes he plays. Abraham no he's not a player.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I gather some kid "leaked" the story and his credibility came into question. Thn it was later reported by ESPN's own Pasta Belly (and, apparently Clayton) and now said kid's credibility has been restored?

What the ****, Pasta and Clayton were probably using the kid as the source!


The ESPN guy's stuff came out on Monday or Tuesday, the kid's crap came out today

[WABronco]

I told you.

The kid told us 3 days in advance Sowell and Fabini were gonna be cut
He reported before any news outlet.

Check his site. it's on there. and he goes to BC and is a smart kid. He's not some kid in his mothers house making a webcam show.

I was just commenting on how I found it sort of funny...

I believe him. Why would he destroy his credibility and his own website?

[Broncoman13]

That said, wouldn't this kind of mean we got Bailey and Abraham for Portis? I'll take that every day, and twice on Sunday. (And we still have a 1st round pick left.)


Yeah, if you forget about the 1st round pick we sent to the Skins last year for their 1st this year. Remember, pick #25, Jason Campbell or whatever his name was?

[Clockwork Orange]

I just love that we've got two threads of five plus pages based on a rumor that's being reported by some kid with a web cam and PFT.

The only thing that really should be discussed about this is which of those two has less credibility. I think it's a coin toss.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yes many want him gone.


The dude scares me. He's Mr glass jaw when it comes to playing with injury's and even staying healthy for a season.

He's not worth a #1. Especially with this draft being deep! Denver will have a solid shot a top rated pass rusher and at a cheaper price then Abraham would cost.

T.O. yes he plays. Abraham no he's not a player.

That's what I'm sayin'.

Why not just add a player through free agency and keep the #1? Brentson Buckner is floating around in space right now. Derrick Brooks is floating in space. No reason to tie up cap in a guy that doesnt play that much (see Trevor Pryce).

Not only that, but if Denver needed to get rid of a #1 to save cap space, they could package them together to move up for a player they target. No need to throw one out the window.

[WABronco]

I just love that we've got two threads of five plus pages based on a rumor that's being reported by some kid with a web cam and PFT.

The only thing that really should be discussed about this is which of those two has less credibility. I think it's a coin toss.

...all this started when someone posted a Bergen Record article saying that a deal for Abraham was in place.

[SoCalBronco]

Im going to be furious if they trade for him. Dont give up anything. Especially not a first. ****

[SouthStndJunkie]

Last 10 guys selected at #29 in the 1st Round:

Marlin Jackson
Michael Jenkins
Nick Barnett
Marc Columbo
Ryan Pickett
R.Jay Soward
Dimitrius Underwood
John Avery
Chris Canty
Jamain Stephens

[watermock]

Well, I'm lukewarm...I think T.O. would help us more, or maybe hurt us more. This CBA extention only muddies the water even more. I don't think Abraham is worth a first for several obvious reasons. Money, injuries, attitude and age.

He's also light at 255, the same weight as V. Davis. He does get sacks when healthy, but the first thing a DE loses is speed with age. PASS unless it's a second.

What a mess

[SouthStndJunkie]

All 10 of those guys combined could not carry Abraham's jock.

SSJ

[Clockwork Orange]

People wonder why the Broncos can't fix the pass rush. Well, maybe because they haven't used a 1st rounder on a D-lineman since Trevor Pryce in 1996.

Now they've got two first rounders at their disposal and a chance to beef up the D-line with two strong, young D-line prospects and they want to deal one of those picks away? You've got to be ****ing kidding me.

[WABronco]

Last 10 guys selected at #29 in the 1st Round:

Marlin Jackson
Michael Jenkins
Nick Barnett
Marc Columbo
Ryan Pickett
R.Jay Soward
Dimitrius Underwood
John Avery
Chris Canty
Jamain Stephens

Wow, those are some solid names........

[BlitzingDog]

Brenston Bucker is probably gonna retire.

[Atlas]

Last 10 guys selected at #29 in the 1st Round:

Marlin Jackson
Michael Jenkins
Nick Barnett
Marc Columbo
Ryan Pickett
R.Jay Soward
Dimitrius Underwood
John Avery
Chris Canty
Jamain Stephens

Great post!! Alot of impact players on that list???

[WABronco]

People wonder why the Broncos can't fix the pass rush. Well, maybe because they haven't used a 1st rounder on a D-lineman since Trevor Pryce in 1996.

Now they've got two first rounders at their disposal and a chance to beef up the D-line with two strong D-line prospects and they want to deal one of those picks away? You've got to be ****ing kidding me.

Who's to say they won't go with Kiwi, Hali, or Bunkley at 22? Sure, it may be a bit impractical, but it's possible...

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I just love that we've got two threads of five plus pages based on a rumor that's being reported by some kid with a web cam and PFT.


I wouldn't even say PFT is reporting the rumor, they're just repeating what the kid said. You could at least give some more weight to it if PFT says their own sources say the same thing, but reporting what a kid in a dormroom says is pretty weak.

[BlitzingDog]

All 10 of those guys combined could not carry Abraham's jock.

SSJ


So lets give up the 29th pick all because past #29 overall haven't worked out? So if we are sitting at 28th and they all turned out well it would be much different huh? lol

[Atlas]

If this is true I'm in favor of it. Denver is close to being a SB team. They need an impact player. The 29th selection is not going to be an impact player. If this is true Denver just got a whole lot better.

[WABronco]

I wouldn't even say PFT is reporting the rumor, they're just repeating what the kid said. You could at least give some more weight to it if PFT says their own sources say the same thing, but reporting what a kid in a dormroom says is pretty weak.

They said they were "looking into it," so hopefully they get another report out soon...

[SouthStndJunkie]

So lets give up the 29th pick all because past #29 overall haven't worked out? So if we are sitting at 28th and they all turned out well it would be much different huh? lol

No, let's give up the 29th pick for a guy who has had 10+ sacks 4 out of the last 5 years.

Let's give up the 29th pick for a guy that can make an impact now.

We have about a 2 year window with the current core of veterans.

SSJ

[12th man]

That's what I'm sayin'.

Why not just add a player through free agency and keep the #1? Brentson Buckner is floating around in space right now. Derrick Brooks is floating in space. No reason to tie up cap in a guy that doesnt play that much (see Trevor Pryce).

Not only that, but if Denver needed to get rid of a #1 to save cap space, they could package them together to move up for a player they target. No need to throw one out the window.

I would take Buckner over JA. Maybe Abraham is cheaper than buckner? But I would not be upset if we get Abraham. He would still be an upgrade compared to Pryces' season last year.

[Clockwork Orange]

Who's to say they won't go with Kiwi, Hali, or Bunkley at 22? Sure, it may be a bit impractical, but it's possible...

Not likely.

Keep both picks and get a pair of young, promising D-linemen who combined will cost less than Abraham.

[WABronco]

I would take Buckner over JA. Maybe Abraham is cheaper than buckner? But I would not be upset if we get Abraham. He would still be an upgrade compared to Pryces' season last year.

Why do people want Brenston Buckner????

[Broncoman13]

If we're interested in Abraham then why not target Manny Lawson in the draft? Take Manny at 22 and then the best DE or DT at 29. Lawson and Abraham both have the same thing...speed. Personally, I take a chance on a kid that hasn't acted like a little biatch his whole career. Not to say that I'm totally against JA, I'd just prefer Lawson is all.

[OrangeShadow]

I want bunkley and lawson in the draft

[elsid13]

If this is true I'm in favor of it. Denver is close to being a SB team. They need an impact player. The 29th selection is not going to be an impact player. If this is true Denver just got a whole lot better.


The 29 pick might not contribute much this year, but in the future it could be probowl player at cheaper price then this jackass. Shanahan as VP of Football operation needs to worry about this year and the next.

[broncos love]

I will be all-kinds of ticked if Denver sends a #1 for this guy.
Not from me if there is no CBA agreement by Sunday. There is no way in hell that denver keeps the 2 first rd picks if there is no CBA IMO. There has never been a draft with no CBA and there will be alot of holdouts from rookies imo if there is no agreement.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Why do people want Brenston Buckner????

Because he kisses his shoes one time for each family member before each game.

[BlitzingDog]

No, let's give up the 29th pick for a guy who has had 10+ sacks 4 out of the last 5 years.

Let's give up the 29th pick for a guy that can make an impact now.

We have about a 2 year window with the current core of veterans.

SSJ


Yeah Lets give up a 1st round pick on a brittle guy who sits out his playoff game when the doc clears him because he is a afraid he wont be 100% to show off his play to other teams. Lets spend #29 on a selfish brittle player.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Not from me if there is no CBA agreement by Sunday. There is no way in hell that denver keeps the 2 first rd picks if there is no CBA IMO. There has never been a draft with no CBA and there will be alot of holdouts from rookies imo if there is no agreement.

So they should send a #1 pick to the Jets and use up more cap room?

The rookies know what they're getting into, they're all in the same boat and there's nothing they can do about it.

[Willynowei]

Have any of you seen Abraham play? I agree 1st rounder is a whole lot. But this guy does not disappear man. On every passing down he gets in the QBs face, he plays a lot like Dwight Freeney.

Fast first step, keeps O-linemen off him, strong, agile, good motor. He's very much worth the 8 million price tag. Trade for a late first, well thats fairly even, but a mid 2nd is more fair.

[Clockwork Orange]

Lets spend #29 on a selfish brittle player.

I think Chad Jackson will be long gone by then.

;)

[SouthStndJunkie]

Yeah Lets give up a 1st round pick on a brittle guy who sits out his playoff game when the doc clears him because he is a afraid he wont be 100% to show off his play to other teams. Lets spend #29 on a selfish brittle player.

Abraham has played 67 out of the last 80 games including all 16 games 3 out of the last 5 years.

SSJ

[eddie mac]

Not likely.

Keep both picks and get a pair of young, promising D-linemen who combined will cost less than Abraham.

Look how badly the Chargers fared last year grabbing Merriman and Castillo. Just this once can we not follow that example.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Yeah Lets give up a 1st round pick on a brittle guy who sits out his playoff game when the doc clears him because he is a afraid he wont be 100% to show off his play to other teams. Lets spend #29 on a selfish brittle player.

You tell me right after the draft who you wanted at 29...it has to be a player drafted from 29 on and we will compare his career versus Abraham's.

SSJ

[epicSocialism4tw]

Look how badly the Chargers fared last year grabbing Merriman and Castillo. Just this once can we not follow that example.

This draft is deeeeeep in D-linemen and O-linemen. Both of which are needs. Why not go with the less expensive youth?

[Gcver2ver3]

If this is true I'm in favor of it. Denver is close to being a SB team. They need an impact player. The 29th selection is not going to be an impact player. If this is true Denver just got a whole lot better.



i agree

[baja]

If we wanted a crybaby who pouts all the time about his contract and getting disrespected, couldn't we just get T.O. instead?

Ha! Really!

[eddie mac]

You tell me right after the draft who you wanted at 29...it has to be a player drafted from 29 on and we will compare his career versus Abraham's.

SSJ

Compare the cap hits while were at it, ratio production against cost.

[WABronco]

Because he kisses his shoes one time for each family member before each game.

Ahh yes, how could I forget. He also applies exorbitant amounts of chapstick...

[eddie mac]

This draft is deeeeeep in D-linemen and O-linemen. Both of which are needs. Why not go with the less expensive youth?

I was being sarcastic bro, Chargers made 2 excellent choices last year.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I was being sarcastic bro, Chargers made 2 excellent choices last year.

Yeah...I was agreeing with you :)

[BlitzingDog]

Abraham has played 67 out of the last 80 games including all 16 games 3 out of the last 5 years.

SSJ


He's brittle and selfish. Can't hide that. He would sit out a game if he broke a fingernail.

[DBroncos4life]

Why do people want Brenston Buckner????
I would sign him for just what he brings to the locker room alone. He is a very good team leader.

[Gcver2ver3]

Why do people want Brenston Buckner????


i don't want that overrated dud....

i'll take abraham though....

for the people that think abraham has a lousy attitude...

remember that redskins fans still think champ bailey has a bad attitude because of his negative behavior with the skins...

what a difference a new surroundings can make huh?

you might wanna think about that before judging the abraham

[SouthStndJunkie]

Compare the cap hits while were at it, ratio production against cost.

Abraham is a proven product. He is worth the money he would be getting.

Hard to bring up the cap when we do not even know if it is in the future.

SSJ

[Popps]

Abraham has played 67 out of the last 80 games including all 16 games 3 out of the last 5 years.

SSJ

Wow, not so bad when you look at the overall picture... and keep in mind, most of the guy's bitching has been in regards to not having a contract and being tagged every year.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Wow, not so bad when you look at the overall picture... and keep in mind, most of the guy's b****ing has been in regards to not having a contract and being tagged every year.

I would love to have the guy, but I think that the price is too high. A #1 and the rest of the cap is a little steep.

[WABronco]

I would sign him for just what he brings to the locker room alone. He is a very good team leader.

He's also a fat blob that has zero game impact.

[ludo21]

wow, long thread for info that still isnt verified!

IT MUST be offseason. ;D

[Gcver2ver3]

wow, long thread for info that still isnt verified!

IT MUST be offseason. ;D



LOL

[WABronco]

remember that redskins fans still think champ bailey has a bad attitude because of his negative behavior with the skins...

Good point. They don't even call him Champ anymore, just Roland Bailey...

[DBroncos4life]

He's also a fat blob that has zero game impact.
thats a load of ****. He missed two games and still managed to put up better numbers then Warren, oh but I forgot Warren was triple teamed all year long LOL

[DBruleU]

This draft is deeeeeep in D-linemen and O-linemen. Both of which are needs. Why not go with the less expensive youth?

heh. Nice avatar. Both from ussoccer.com?

[WABronco]

thats a load of ****. He missed two games and still managed to put up better numbers then Warren, oh but I forgot Warren was triple teamed all year long LOL

K, believe what you want pal, that's fine...

[Rock Chalk]

The ESPN guy's stuff came out on Monday or Tuesday, the kid's crap came out today
Man now Im really confused.

If this kid's info came out today and Pasta boy's/Clayton's came out Monday how is thisbreaking news?

Or for that matter, why is this kid being given credit for Pasta/Clayton's work?

So what the hell ended up happening? We sign him or not?

[rbackfactory80]

i don't want that overrated dud....

i'll take abraham though....

for the people that think abraham has a lousy attitude...

remember that redskins fans still think champ bailey has a bad attitude because of his negative behavior with the skins...

what a difference a new surroundings can make huh?

you might wanna think about that before judging the abraham

Not to mention Big Money Warren who is now referred to as Warren the Great

[DBroncos4life]

K, believe what you want pal, that's fine...
I will. This team is built around locker room players just like BB. He would be a very good player to add to our rotation.

[Gcver2ver3]

Not to mention Big Money Warren who is now referred to as Warren the Great





egggsssactly:thumbs:

[Kaylore]

Man now Im really confused.

If this kid's info came out today and Pasta boy's/Clayton's came out Monday how is thisbreaking news?

Or for that matter, why is this kid being given credit for Pasta/Clayton's work?

So what the hell ended up happening? We sign him or not?
We didn't. Nothing is happening and probably won't until after this last round of negotiations.

[Lestat]

am i the only one who sees giving up a 1st & having to pay him in the top 5 of his position as a problem?


this whole thing started over money, the Broncos don't have the cap right now to take him on at a big salary & sign all their draft picks, you can't spread out the money for more than 4 years which means Denver has to guarantee alot more money(you think Pryce's cap # was high? wait til we gotta sign Abraham) i seem to recall someone saying the Jets don't wanna take a cap hit so they won't include a signing bonus & then Denver would be on the hook ever year for his option/roster bonuses


i want the pass rush to improve but i'd rather them pay a rookie 10 mil for 4-6 years than pay a vet 5-8 mil a year & give up a 1st for him

[epicSocialism4tw]

heh. Nice avatar. Both from ussoccer.com?

Great minds....:)

I got mine from foxsports I believe, but they are brilliant photos. There was a statement made on that snowy field and the waving flag says it all. I love that all of the Kaiserslautern base folks got all of that attention from the US Football team.

If anyone wants to do something nice for the troops that can afford a big contribution, buy those folks some world cup tickets to the US games. They deserve a nice diversion from the war.

[Rock Chalk]

We didn't. Nothing is happening and probably won't until after this last round of negotiations.
Well...****...what an incredible waste of time and energy trying to figure nothing out.

[Gcver2ver3]

am i the only one who sees giving up a 1st & having to pay him in the top 5 of his position as a problem?




are you kidding?...

i think more than half the people here have been saying the same thing you're saying for like 7 pages now....

i'm in the minority saying that i hope we do get abraham for the 29th pick....

but again that's only if cba extension is reached

[12th man]

I would take Buckner over JA. Maybe Abraham is cheaper than buckner? But I would not be upset if we get Abraham. He would still be an upgrade compared to Pryces' season last year.

I totally take this back. Im sorry for even posting the above statement. I would take Pryce over this guy. I was thinkin of Mike Rucker. Bucnker Rucker sounds the same. I am ashamed because Rucker is a cornhusker and I am a cornhusker fan. It just slipped my mind. Thanks WABronco for asking why do people want Buckner? You made me look up the stats and it made me realize I had the wrong guy. Now with that said, Buckner is not the guy we want. Abraham is way way way better.

[rbackfactory80]

I totally take this back. Im sorry for even posting the above statement. I would take Pryce over this guy. I was thinkin of Mike Rucker. Bucnker Rucker sounds the same. I am ashamed because Rucker is a cornhusker and I am a cornhusker fan. It just slipped my mind. Thanks WABronco for asking why do people want Buckner? You made me look up the stats and it made me realize I had the wrong guy. Now with that said, Buckner is not the guy we want. Abraham is way way way better.


Shoot, Rucker would be a nice addition too.

[Lestat]

the "am i the only one" was sarcasm

i got no problem giving up the 1st for Abraham cause he's worth it, the problem lies in giving up a 1st(when likely no other team would give one without getting a pick back as well) & paying him when that money could be used in FA for cheaper DE's,maybe a DT & a WR

if it was the 1st alone & him having a reasonably cheap deal then yeah but i cringe at a 1st + big payday

[ludo21]

oooo, a poll, should be interesting.

Id take an IMPACT DE like JA for our #1 no matter what.

[Gcver2ver3]

the "am i the only one" was sarcasm

i got no problem giving up the 1st for Abraham cause he's worth it, the problem lies in giving up a 1st(when likely no other team would give one without getting a pick back as well) & paying him when that money could be used in FA for cheaper DE's,maybe a DT & a WR

if it was the 1st alone & him having a reasonably cheap deal then yeah but i cringe at a 1st + big payday



good point....

and my bad for not picking up the sarcasm...;D

[Jason in LA]

I wouldn't even say PFT is reporting the rumor, they're just repeating what the kid said. You could at least give some more weight to it if PFT says their own sources say the same thing, but reporting what a kid in a dormroom says is pretty weak.


That's why I always question that tabloid. They never check up on anything before they report it.

[Gcver2ver3]

I totally take this back. Im sorry for even posting the above statement. I would take Pryce over this guy. I was thinkin of Mike Rucker. Bucnker Rucker sounds the same. I am ashamed because Rucker is a cornhusker and I am a cornhusker fan. It just slipped my mind. Thanks WABronco for asking why do people want Buckner? You made me look up the stats and it made me realize I had the wrong guy. Now with that said, Buckner is not the guy we want. Abraham is way way way better.


you'd really take rucker over abraham?

[12th man]

you'd really take rucker over abraham?
Hell yeah. the guy is one tough mofo. both of them have almost identical stats, but Rucker won't cry about injuries, he has been to the super bowl and pro bowls. Also he's a Black Shirt, aka Nebraska defense, and Im a husker fan. so yes I would take him over Abraham.

Ruckers Stats:Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
1999 Carolina Panthers 16 30 24.0 6 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 2
2000 Carolina Panthers 16 39 33.0 6 2.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
2001 Carolina Panthers 16 55 43.0 12 9 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
2002 Carolina Panthers 16 66 57.0 9 10 0 0 0.0 0 0 7
2003 Carolina Panthers 14 58 46.0 12 12 1 0 0.0 0 0 4
2004 Carolina Panthers 16 38 35.0 3 3.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 5
2005 Carolina Panthers 15 44 35.0 9 7.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 3
TOTAL 109 330 273.0 57 47.5 1 0 0.0 0 0 23

Abraham Stats:
2000 New York Jets 6 15 11.0 4 4.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
2001 New York Jets 16 63 53.0 10 13 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
2002 New York Jets 16 62 48.0 14 10 0 0 0.0 0 0 2
2003 New York Jets 7 32 23.0 9 6 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
2004 New York Jets 12 48 33.0 15 9.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 2
2005 New York Jets 16 58 44.0 14 10.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
TOTAL 73 278 212.0 66 53.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 5

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Hell yeah. the guy is one tough mofo. both of them have almost identical stats, but Rucker won't cry about injuries, he has been to the super bowl and pro bowls. Also he's a Black Shirt, aka Nebraska defense, and Im a husker fan. so yes I would take him over Abraham.

Ruckers Stats:Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
1999 Carolina Panthers 16 30 24.0 6 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 2
2000 Carolina Panthers 16 39 33.0 6 2.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
2001 Carolina Panthers 16 55 43.0 12 9 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
2002 Carolina Panthers 16 66 57.0 9 10 0 0 0.0 0 0 7
2003 Carolina Panthers 14 58 46.0 12 12 1 0 0.0 0 0 4
2004 Carolina Panthers 16 38 35.0 3 3.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 5
2005 Carolina Panthers 15 44 35.0 9 7.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 3
TOTAL 109 330 273.0 57 47.5 1 0 0.0 0 0 23


Weird that Rucker had 14.5 sacks in the 48 games before the Panthers got Peppers, and then 33 in 61 with him.

[ludo21]

Weird that Rucker had 14.5 sacks in the 48 games before the Panthers got Peppers, and then 33 in 61 with him.


very.....hmmmm, could it be caz he was injured more?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

very.....hmmmm, could it be caz he was injured more?

The 48 games were 3 full seasons, he didn't miss anytime before Peppers got there.

[rbackfactory80]

very.....hmmmm, could it be caz he was injured more?


No probably because Peppers was double teamed more. Not to mention what he would have if Jenkins could stay healthy.

[ludo21]

The 48 games were 3 full seasons, he didn't miss anytime before Peppers got there.


oops i read it wrong, i thought he had MORE sacks before Peppers. wow im tired lol.

Peppers always being double teamed could be a reason

[DBroncos4life]

Weird that Rucker had 14.5 sacks in the 48 games before the Panthers got Peppers, and then 33 in 61 with him.
I guess Shaun Ellis is just holding Abraham back now isn't he.

[Gcver2ver3]

oops i read it wrong, i thought he had MORE sacks before Peppers. wow im tired lol.

Peppers always being double teamed could be a reason



hey ludo...

you gonna photoshop abraham in a bronco uniform?

i'd love to see what it looks like.....;D :thumbs:

[ludo21]

hey ludo...

you gonna photoshop abraham in a bronco uniform?

i'd love to see what it looks like.....;D :thumbs:


sure, once i get photoshop, learn how to do it, then have the time. Ill be all over it. ;D

:strong:

[Gcver2ver3]

sure, once i get photoshop, learn how to do it, then have the time. Ill be all over it. ;D

:strong:



ha ha ha....:spit:

my bad dude...i thought you knew how to use it....

where did you get that T.O. avatar then?

[ludo21]

ha ha ha....:spit:

my bad dude...i thought you knew how to use it....

where did you get that T.O. avatar then?


someone posted it and i stole it. :thumbs: ;D

[Gcver2ver3]

someone posted it and i stole it. :thumbs: ;D



oh...heh heh..

that's cool...i was jealous of it....it was a sweet avatar

[ludo21]

oh...heh heh..

that's cool...i was jealous of it....it was a sweet avatar

you can use it. altho i like that one of him on the star. That cracked me up when he did that as i absolutley despise the Boys.

[Gcver2ver3]

you can use it. altho i like that one of him on the star. That cracked me up when he did that as i absolutley despise the Boys.



are you kidding me?....i almost wet my pants laughing when he did that

sure it was innappropriate...but it was hilarious.....

emmitt tried to show him up...then T.O. scored again...it was great

[WABronco]

I totally take this back. Im sorry for even posting the above statement. I would take Pryce over this guy. I was thinkin of Mike Rucker. Bucnker Rucker sounds the same. I am ashamed because Rucker is a cornhusker and I am a cornhusker fan. It just slipped my mind. Thanks WABronco for asking why do people want Buckner? You made me look up the stats and it made me realize I had the wrong guy. Now with that said, Buckner is not the guy we want. Abraham is way way way better.

Lol, I was wondering...

The other guy's serious though, lol!

[WABronco]

I guess Shaun Ellis is just holding Abraham back now isn't he.

Shaun Ellis isn't a big pass rush threat. Nothing compared to Peppers...

[watermock]

Well I'm glad that this was cleared up after 10 pages....Now back to the T.O. thread....

[DBroncos4life]

Lol, I was wondering...

The other guy's serious though, lol!
me? I don't recall saying if I had to take either JA or BB then I would take BB. They don't even play the same position. I said I would LOVE to have BB because what he brings to the team, besides a big guy to free up our LBs, which is what our damn DL does anyways. BB is just another Lynch type player. A very good leader, with just a year or so left in him. You can NEVER have enough of those type of players. Now picking up BB wouldn't cost us a first rounder now would it. Picking up BB wouldn't cost us lots of cap room either. Talent wise JA is better, but I believe we can get a younger DE in the draft with the same talent as JA for alot less.

[DBroncos4life]

Shaun Ellis isn't a big pass rush threat. Nothing compared to Peppers...
youre right hes not as big as a threat as Peppers not many are but hes still a ****ing good DE. You don't think that JA feeds off of him at all? Get real.

[Gcver2ver3]

me? I don't recall saying if I had to take either JA or BB then I would take BB. They don't even play the same position. I said I would LOVE to have BB because what he brings to the team, besides a big guy to free up our LBs, which is what our damn DL does anyways. BB is just another Lynch type player. A very good leader, with just a year or so left in him. You can NEVER have enough of those type of players. Now picking up BB wouldn't cost us a first rounder now would it. Picking up BB wouldn't cost us lots of cap room either. Talent wise JA is better, but I believe we can get a younger DE in the draft with the same talent as JA for alot less.


hey let's not forget about Myers....

I like his versatility and strength.....

i'd take him over BB anyday....

i'd be cool with brown,warren,myers, & abraham as our 4.....

[12th man]

me? I don't recall saying if I had to take either JA or BB then I would take BB. They don't even play the same position. I said I would LOVE to have BB because what he brings to the team, besides a big guy to free up our LBs, which is what our damn DL does anyways. BB is just another Lynch type player. A very good leader, with just a year or so left in him. You can NEVER have enough of those type of players. Now picking up BB wouldn't cost us a first rounder now would it. Picking up BB wouldn't cost us lots of cap room either. Talent wise JA is better, but I believe we can get a younger DE in the draft with the same talent as JA for alot less.
he was talking to me. I mixed up bucner and rucker.heres my post:
totally take this back. Im sorry for even posting the above statement. I would take Pryce over this guy. I was thinkin of Mike Rucker. Bucnker Rucker sounds the same. I am ashamed because Rucker is a cornhusker and I am a cornhusker fan. It just slipped my mind. Thanks WABronco for asking why do people want Buckner? You made me look up the stats and it made me realize I had the wrong guy. Now with that said, Buckner is not the guy we want. Abraham is way way way better.

[Gcver2ver3]

Abraham is getting more love than i thought...

so far the poll is 17 - 6 in favor of acquiring Abraham!

[elsid13]

Abraham is getting more love than i thought...

so far the poll is 17 - 6 in favor of acquiring Abraham!


Proving that we are a nation of drunks.

[DBroncos4life]

Great trade for a 28 year DE that we could get two good years out of. I'd rather take my chances in the draft and get more years out of a guy for alot less money.

[ludo21]

me? I don't recall saying if I had to take either JA or BB then I would take BB. They don't even play the same position. I said I would LOVE to have BB because what he brings to the team, besides a big guy to free up our LBs, which is what our damn DL does anyways. BB is just another Lynch type player. A very good leader, with just a year or so left in him. You can NEVER have enough of those type of players. Now picking up BB wouldn't cost us a first rounder now would it. Picking up BB wouldn't cost us lots of cap room either. Talent wise JA is better, but I believe we can get a younger DE in the draft with the same talent as JA for alot less.


IM SICK OF STOP GAPS!!!!

The draft is where we need to go for an IMPACT player. We need long term fixes! JA would provide 4-5 more years. So im ok with him. But the draft is stacked with DL.

[SportinOne]

i can't believe i wasted the time and energy in reading all the posts between BOTH threads, threads on the jets board, and calling my friend back home and proclaiming us the next super bowl champs.

no i take that back.. i'm not surprised at all.. it's the offseason and i'm like a lost dog who hasn't had a decent meal in a week. Nothing but scraps outta the dumpster.. Then gcver comes out of nowhere dangling a nice fat T-bone in my face... I had to bite..

tasted good for a while... :injured:

[WABronco]

me? I don't recall saying if I had to take either JA or BB then I would take BB. They don't even play the same position. I said I would LOVE to have BB because what he brings to the team, besides a big guy to free up our LBs, which is what our damn DL does anyways. BB is just another Lynch type player. A very good leader, with just a year or so left in him. You can NEVER have enough of those type of players. Now picking up BB wouldn't cost us a first rounder now would it. Picking up BB wouldn't cost us lots of cap room either. Talent wise JA is better, but I believe we can get a younger DE in the draft with the same talent as JA for alot less.

Ohh, k, my mistake.

[WABronco]

youre right hes not as big as a threat as Peppers not many are but hes still a ****ing good DE. You don't think that JA feeds off of him at all? Get real.

He's fallen off the map recently, seems like anyways. Maybe the Jets fan can tell us da truph...

DeWayne Roberston seemed to be the second best DL on NY last year too.

[DBroncos4life]

IM SICK OF STOP GAPS!!!!

The draft is where we need to go for an IMPACT player. We need long term fixes! JA would provide 4-5 more years. So im ok with him. But the draft is stacked with DL.
4 or 5 more years? Hes 28 now man. He isn't Strahan. I give him two years max before he starts fading.

[DBroncos4life]

He's fallen off the map recently, seems like anyways. Maybe the Jets fan can tell us da truph...

DeWayne Roberston seemed to be the second best DL on NY last year too.
He had 11 sacks two years ago and 13 the year before that. He had a poor year this year but still as you can see he can still get to the QB.

[Malcontent]

are you kidding me?....i almost wet my pants laughing when he did that

sure it was innappropriate...but it was hilarious.....

emmitt tried to show him up...then T.O. scored again...it was great

I thought at the time that TO should be hammered into a stupor for what he did in Dallas. I hate the Cowboys, but he was trying to be bigger than the game that day. What a shameless clown he is.

[Smizzy]

He had 11 sacks two years ago and 13 the year before that. He had a poor year this year but still as you can see he can still get to the QB.


The loss of Ferguson hurt Abe & Ellis. Abe is 27 and the only problem is he is strictly a Pass Rusher. He gets gobbled up on run plays and is usually over pursuing.

[DBroncos4life]

The loss of Ferguson hurt Abe & Ellis. Abe is 27 and the only problem is he is strictly a Pass Rusher. He gets gobbled up on run plays and is usually over pursuing.
He turns 28 real soon. Sorry I think he is a good player but I think it takes a special type of DE to play at a high level past 30 and I don't see him being that type of guy. Taylor and Strahan have it, Abe just doesn't.

[ludo21]

I thought at the time that TO should be hammered into a stupor for what he did in Dallas. I hate the Cowboys, but he was trying to be bigger than the game that day. What a shameless clown he is.


Sorry, i just hate the Cowboys so much that i just thought it was funny. :rofl:


So before Abraham has a chance to turn 30 your going to write him off that he will fade away? ill take the wait and see approach.

[DBroncos4life]

Sorry, i just hate the Cowboys so much that i just thought it was funny. :rofl:


So before Abraham has a chance to turn 30 your going to write him off that he will fade away? ill take the wait and see approach.
So your willing to take a chance to see if the guy can give us 2 more years instead of giving a rookie a chance to give us 8? I can understand making the move but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't get over 10 sacks for us this year.

[ludo21]

So your willing to take a chance to see if the guy can give us 2 more years instead of giving a rookie a chance to give us 8? I can understand making the move but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't get over 10 sacks for us this year.


Maybe, depending on the CBA and the cost.

I want rookie DL as well tho.

[Gcver2ver3]

i can't believe i wasted the time and energy in reading all the posts between BOTH threads, threads on the jets board, and calling my friend back home and proclaiming us the next super bowl champs.

no i take that back.. i'm not surprised at all.. it's the offseason and i'm like a lost dog who hasn't had a decent meal in a week. Nothing but scraps outta the dumpster.. Then gcver comes out of nowhere dangling a nice fat T-bone in my face... I had to bite..

tasted good for a while... :injured:



.........LOL

good post

[SportinOne]

So your willing to take a chance to see if the guy can give us 2 more years instead of giving a rookie a chance to give us 8? I can understand making the move but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't get over 10 sacks for us this year.

The guy is one of the top player at his position in the entire NFL.

The DL we get at #29 wouldn't even be the best at his position in the rookie class.

We are making our run now, and in 4 years when all these players are over the hill or retired, there probably wont be a cap so we will just buy people from teams like jacksonville or even better, KC. If there IS a cap... we'll go after the next Reggie Bush ;D

[Gcver2ver3]

The guy is one of the top player at his position in the entire NFL.

The DL we get at #29 wouldn't even be the best at his position in the rookie class.

We are making our run now, and in 4 years when all these players are over the hill or retired, there probably wont be a cap so we will just buy people from teams like jacksonville or even better, KC. If there IS a cap... we'll go after the next Reggie Bush ;D



i agree...

[12th man]

So your willing to take a chance to see if the guy can give us 2 more years instead of giving a rookie a chance to give us 8? I can understand making the move but I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't get over 10 sacks for us this year.
I posted this from the other Abraham post. here it is just in case you missed it.

I agree with you . I mean In 97/98, or I should say when Shanahan brought in vet guys on the line such as Alfred Williams, Keith Traylor and Neil Smith. Those guys came from different teams, were more experienced and performed well. Then we draft Pryce in 97 and he has 2. sacks. Then in 98 he has 8 sacks. We drafted Maa Tunavasa in 95 and he had 5 sacks in two years, then in 97 he had 8 sacks and 8 sacks in 98. So I agree with you that we need guys like Abraham just in case the rookie doesn not perform well his first seaon. Im not saying I wouldn't like to draft a DL because I think we should, but we need a vet player like Abraham.

[DBroncos4life]

Maybe, depending on the CBA and the cost.

I want rookie DL as well tho.
Well its not my choice but it just seems they are trying to win now and not caring about the future. Like I said he is a good player but I just don't think he would have the same numbers here as he did in NY. He won't hurt the Dline any but man we are giving up alot of age IMHO to help fix the Dline.

[DBroncos4life]

I posted this from the other Abraham post. here it is just in case you missed it.

I agree with you . I mean In 97/98, or I should say when Shanahan brought in vet guys on the line such as Alfred Williams, Keith Traylor and Neil Smith. Those guys came from different teams, were more experienced and performed well. Then we draft Pryce in 97 and he has 2. sacks. Then in 98 he has 8 sacks. We drafted Maa Tunavasa in 95 and he had 5 sacks in two years, then in 97 he had 8 sacks and 8 sacks in 98. So I agree with you that we need guys like Abraham just in case the rookie doesn not perform well his first seaon. Im not saying I wouldn't like to draft a DL because I think we should, but we need a vet player like Abraham.
You can get guys like Abe though. Darren Howard has had 10 or more sacks in a couple of years. Hes 29. Kalimba Edwards is a up and coming DE with two years of 7 sacks under his belt. He doesn't turn 27 till Dec. Lance Johnstone is a older vet, but he still had 7.5 sacks last year, and 28.5 sacks over the last three years...he fits the Neil Smith role. We still don't know who will be cut yet either. I just don't want to lose a first rounder in this draft.

[SportinOne]

Plus Abraham is like, what, a 96 overall on Madden?! His speed is in the low 80's!

i'm going to go ahead and add him tonight...

wow, it just occured to me that i can no longer run one of my favorite plays because we won't have Putzier... I don't know the name of the play but i know if you go to I-form and hit down once and then B (xbox) you will find yourself running a play action/roll-out to the right and hitting a wide open Putzier who ran a short z route to the sideline. When that is sealed off you will look further down the field where Ashley has 2 steps on his man for a 30 yard gain. Anyway, Alexander is too slow and Jackson has no hands.. plus i thin he was released anyway....

Well, we had better get VD if i'm to ever run this play again.



On the topic of Putzier.... I bet he and Favre would make a good combo, provided Favre comes back for one more year..

[DBroncos4life]

Plus theres this guy

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=1828

[12th man]

You can get guys like Abe though. Darren Howard has had 10 or more sacks in a couple of years. Hes 29. Kalimba Edwards is a up and coming DE with two years of 7 sacks under his belt. He doesn't turn 27 till Dec. Lance Johnstone is a older vet, but he still had 7.5 sacks last year, and 28.5 sacks over the last three years...he fits the Neil Smith role. We still don't know who will be cut yet either. I just don't want to lose a first rounder in this draft.

I don't want to lose a first rounder either. But I think Abraham would pay for him self. We would probably get a good pass rusher with one of our first round picks anyway. Why chance on a rookie when JA can come in and get around 10 sacks?

[SportinOne]

Plus Abraham is like, what, a 96 overall on Madden?! His speed is in the low 80's!

i'm going to go ahead and add him tonight...

wow, it just occured to me that i can no longer run one of my favorite plays because we won't have Putzier... I don't know the name of the play but i know if you go to I-form and hit down once and then B (xbox) you will find yourself running a play action/roll-out to the right and hitting a wide open Putzier who ran a short z route to the sideline. When that is sealed off you will look further down the field where Ashley has 2 steps on his man for a 30 yard gain. Anyway, Alexander is too slow and Jackson has no hands.. plus i thin he was released anyway....

Well, we had better get VD if i'm to ever run this play again.



On the topic of Putzier.... I bet he and Favre would make a good combo, provided Favre comes back for one more year..


To go ahead and quote myself... I guess i was wrong.. If the makers of Madden give Wesley Duke any credit whatsoever for being fast and athletic, then i can deal with the hands issue. Even if his hands are good, they won't just give it to him off the bat.. In short, i can still run my little play.. the world keeps on spinnin'....

[ludo21]

To go ahead and quote myself... I guess i was wrong.. If the makers of Madden give Wesley Duke any credit whatsoever for being fast and athletic, then i can deal with the hands issue. Even if his hands are good, they won't just give it to him off the bat.. In short, i can still run my little play.. the world keeps on spinnin'....


Hey whats your GT?

Wanna play a game tonight?

[DBroncos4life]

I don't want to lose a first rounder either. But I think Abraham would pay for him self. We would probably get a good pass rusher with one of our first round picks anyway. Why chance on a rookie when JA can come in and get around 10 sacks?
Becuase I think a rookie can do the samething for less. I believe Will Smith is a very talented DE. He came in and got 8 sacks his rookie year and added 8.5 this year. For the most part DEs picked in the first round play and produce right away. Udeze had 5 sacks but wasn't all that healthy. Erasmus James had only 4 sacks but missed 6 games. Sure there is a risk like in 03 when ever DE picked in the first round sucked. But look at 02. Peppers had 12 sacks his rookie year, Charles Grant picked 25 had 7, and Freeney had 13. Not many people will share my views on this but, I know many believe this is a pretty damn good DE class this year.

[12th man]

Plus Abraham is like, what, a 96 overall on Madden?! His speed is in the low 80's!

i'm going to go ahead and add him tonight...

wow, it just occured to me that i can no longer run one of my favorite plays because we won't have Putzier... I don't know the name of the play but i know if you go to I-form and hit down once and then B (xbox) you will find yourself running a play action/roll-out to the right and hitting a wide open Putzier who ran a short z route to the sideline. When that is sealed off you will look further down the field where Ashley has 2 steps on his man for a 30 yard gain. Anyway, Alexander is too slow and Jackson has no hands.. plus i thin he was released anyway....

Well, we had better get VD if i'm to ever run this play again.



On the topic of Putzier.... I bet he and Favre would make a good combo, provided Favre comes back for one more year..

I have a favorite play with putz to. Im in Strong i formation and jeb has an option route. he can curl or he can go straight and turn left. He always turns left and get like 10 yrds every time. it's money in the end zone to.

[yavoon]

Becuase I think a rookie can do the samething for less. I believe Will Smith is a very talented DE. He came in and got 8 sacks his rookie year and added 8.5 this year. For the most part DEs picked in the first round play and produce right away. Udeze had 5 sacks but wasn't all that healthy. Erasmus James had only 4 sacks but missed 6 games. Sure there is a risk like in 03 when ever DE picked in the first round sucked. But look at 02. Peppers had 12 sacks his rookie year, Charles Grant picked 25 had 7, and Freeney had 13. Not many people will share my views on this but, I know many believe this is a pretty damn good DE class this year.

first round dline busts are plentiful.

[Drek]

I'm pretty much all set on giving a long term deal to a speed rushing end, especially before we see the fallout of the CBA problems.

I'd rather have Kalimba Edwards or Andre Carter, cap flexability, and our firsts over Abraham, another fat contract, and only one first rounder. To me that doesn't seem like much of a hard choice.

Thats not even getting into the fact that Abraham has about as much heart as the damn tin man. If we do trade for him I look forward to Rod Smith calling him out for not giving a **** when we get kicked out of the playoffs in '06.

[DBroncos4life]

first round dline busts are plentiful.
death and taxes.

[DBroncos4life]

I'd love to add Andre Carter. That would give us three top ten picks from the 01 draft.

[-Slap-]

I don't want to lose a first rounder either. But I think Abraham would pay for him self. We would probably get a good pass rusher with one of our first round picks anyway. Why chance on a rookie when JA can come in and get around 10 sacks?


But I think Abraham would play for him self.

[-Slap-]

I posted this from the other Abraham post. here it is just in case you missed it.

I agree with you . I mean In 97/98, or I should say when Shanahan brought in vet guys on the line such as Alfred Williams, Keith Traylor and Neil Smith. Those guys came from different teams, were more experienced and performed well. Then we draft Pryce in 97 and he has 2. sacks. Then in 98 he has 8 sacks. We drafted Maa Tunavasa in 95 and he had 5 sacks in two years, then in 97 he had 8 sacks and 8 sacks in 98. So I agree with you that we need guys like Abraham just in case the rookie doesn not perform well his first seaon. Im not saying I wouldn't like to draft a DL because I think we should, but we need a vet player like Abraham.
Those vets you're talking about didn't cost nearly what Abraham will, in either draft picks or in payroll.

[ludo21]

hmmmmm, i would take Edwards or Carter as well.

And keep our first rounders....cool

i seem to have forgotten about them.

[SportinOne]

Hey whats your GT?

Wanna play a game tonight?


Internet is down for a week, but its Steve7268. Add me and when i get back up and running we'll play a game or two.

[TheManeMan]

I'd love to add Andre Carter. That would give us three top ten picks from the 01 draft.

Very interesting...I think you might be onto something...

:thought:

[12th man]

But I think Abraham would play for him self.

Like Shanahan cares. if he thinks he can produce for us he'll get him. It's all up to Shanny.

[SportinOne]

I have a favorite play with putz to. Im in Strong i formation and jeb has an option route. he can curl or he can go straight and turn left. He always turns left and get like 10 yrds every time. it's money in the end zone to.

in the red zone, it's all Rod for me..

I substitute him right next to Ashley in both Shotgun-5wide and Shotgun-Slot.... Ashley on the outside, Rod in closer to the line. The short slants are deadly with him.

[ludo21]

Internet is down for a week, but its Steve7268. Add me and when i get back up and running we'll play a game or two.


when i get on live next time, ill add ya :thumbs:

[Lestat]

Edwards,Carter(1 of the 2) then add a DT in the draft + Tapp in the 2nd & your in much better shape than trading for Abraham

[12th man]

Those vets you're talking about didn't cost nearly what Abraham will, in either draft picks or in payroll.

Obviously if we get him we would give him big money and give the jets a draft pick. he's a good player. do you think guys like this come cheap? why chance it in the draft when we could get him. We have all been saying this offseason we need a dominant pass rusher. Well heres our chance, and people are compaining about what it will cost us. He would be worth it.

[DBroncos4life]

Obviously if we get him we would give him big money and give the jets a draft pick. he's a good player. do you think guys like this come cheap? why chance it in the draft when we could get him. We have all been saying this offseason we need a dominant pass rusher. Well heres our chance, and people are compaining about what it will cost us. He would be worth it.
How would you feel if we trade the pick and then lets say Kiwi gets drafted in his place. While Abe goes on to give us three years of 10 plus sacks, Kiwi goes onto match Abes first two totals then every year after that he improves on them?

[12th man]

How would you feel if we trade the pick and then lets say Kiwi gets drafted in his place. While Abe goes on to give us three years of 10 plus sacks, Kiwi we goes onto match Abes first two totals then every year after that he improves on them?

Man, im just tired of projects. I mean we are so close to a SB. we need guy who can help us right now. Abraham can do that. It seems like we get these dlineman in the draft and it takes a year or two for them to be good, then they are out of the organization. Im so tired of that. We need to bring in guys like abraham who are dominant and could help us right now.

[Dagmar]

Man, im just tired of projects. I mean we are so close to a SB. we need guy who can help us right now. Abraham can do that. It seems like we get these dlineman in the draft and it takes a year or two for them to be good, then they are out of the organization. Im so tired of that. We need to bring in guys like abraham who are dominant and could help us right now.
Damn straight!

[12th man]

How would you feel if we trade the pick and then lets say Kiwi gets drafted in his place. While Abe goes on to give us three years of 10 plus sacks, Kiwi goes onto match Abes first two totals then every year after that he improves on them?
sorry for not answering you question.I'll answere it with a question. what if kiwi is a bust? what if he gets injured? What if JA stays consistant. the point is I don't know what's going to happen with kiwi. but I do know JA is a good player. And if your question becomes a reality I would say that's life, because abraham is proven and would more than likely help us now.

[DBroncos4life]

Man, im just tired of projects. I mean we are so close to a SB. we need guy who can help us right now. Abraham can do that. It seems like we get these dlineman in the draft and it takes a year or two for them to be good, then they are out of the organization. Im so tired of that. We need to bring in guys like abraham who are dominant and could help us right now.
I don't view Abraham as dominant. Strahan, Peppers, Freeney, and Taylor. Now those guys are dominant. He is a very good player but for the long run I would rather risk things in the draft.

[NFLBRONCO]

Man, im just tired of projects. I mean we are so close to a SB. we need guy who can help us right now. Abraham can do that. It seems like we get these dlineman in the draft and it takes a year or two for them to be good, then they are out of the organization. Im so tired of that. We need to bring in guys like abraham who are dominant and could help us right now.

I'd rather build for the future then play for 2 or 3 yrs SB window in tough AFC no gaurantees we will even see SB. 29th pick might not be as good but, alot cheaper for 5 years if no good we try again less risk easier on cap.

[DBroncos4life]

sorry for not answering you question.I'll answere it with a question. what if kiwi is a bust? what if he gets injured? What if JA stays consistant. the point is I don't know what's going to happen with kiwi. but I do know JA is a good player. And if your question becomes a reality I would say that's life, because abraham is proven and would more than likely help us now.
what if Abe gets ran over by a bus? What if Abe struggles without a the help of another pass rushing DE like he has in NY? What if we give Abe the world money wise and he gets us 5 sacks this year? Atleast with the rookie blowing the money is less.

[SportinOne]

How would you feel if we trade the pick and then lets say Kiwi gets drafted in his place. While Abe goes on to give us three years of 10 plus sacks, Kiwi goes onto match Abes first two totals then every year after that he improves on them?

How would you feel if we didn't trade for JA, and instead drafted KIWI who turned out to be a bust. Or even if he wasn't a bust, what if it took him three to four years to become productive? Both of those scenarios would result in probably 3 sacks a year for the next three years, while getting JA would result in an average of about 9 sacks a year for the next 3 years, possibly more. In four years, Lepsis, Nalen, Lynch, and Rod are definitly gone. Plummer is on the verge of retirement, Champ has lost a step, Wilson not as dominant...

Unless anyone thinks KIWI will outperform JA over the next 3 years, it makes no sense NOT to make the trade. And that's assuming KIWI is still available..

We can still draft Bunkley with the #22.. there's your longetivity..

If KIWI is so good why not take him instead of Bunkley at #22?

The guy's gonna be in our ring of fame one day, so even if Reggie is still there you have to consider KIWI.

[yavoon]

I'd rather build for the future then play for 2 or 3 yrs SB window in tough AFC no gaurantees we will even see SB. 29th pick might not be as good but, alot cheaper for 5 years if no good we try again less risk easier on cap.

I think if u can get 3-4 years out of a player that for most players thats all the future u should really plan for.

[DBroncos4life]

How would you feel if we didn't trade for JA, and instead drafted KIWI who turned out to be a bust. Or even if he wasn't a bust, what if it took him three to four years to become productive? Both of those scenarios would result in probably 3 sacks a year for the next three years, while getting JA would result in an average of about 9 sacks a year for the next 3 years, possibly more. In four years, Lepsis, Nalen, Lynch, and Rod are definitly gone. Plummer is on the verge of retirement, Champ has lost a step, Wilson not as dominant...

Unless anyone thinks KIWI will outperform JA over the next 3 years, it makes no sense NOT to make the trade. And that's assuming KIWI is still available..

We can still draft Bunkley with the #22.. there's your longetivity..

If KIWI is so good why not take him instead of Bunkley at #22?

The guy's gonna be in our ring of fame one day, so even if Reggie is still there you have to consider KIWI.
I lost you. Im sorry but I believe the team will still be good in 4 years with or without those players you named. If we are that worried that we will pick a bust at 29 then fire all the scouts and get new ones that can do their damn jobs.

[12th man]

I'd rather build for the future then play for 2 or 3 yrs SB window in tough AFC no gaurantees we will even see SB. 29th pick might not be as good but, alot cheaper for 5 years if no good we try again less risk easier on cap.

WTF? Im tired of building for the future. We are not a team that builds for the future anymore. we were that 3 damn years ago. We are now once again a team to compete for a championship. We are one or two players away from dominating the nfl. How could you tell me after getting to the AFC Championship game that we need to build for the future. That's insane! It is a tough afc and we are one of the best in it. why would you build for the future when we are one or two guys away? builing for the future with this team would make us mediocore.

[12th man]

what if Abe gets ran over by a bus? What if Abe struggles without a the help of another pass rushing DE like he has in NY? What if we give Abe the world money wise and he gets us 5 sacks this year? Atleast with the rookie blowing the money is less.
I think we should take a chance with abraham just because he is proven. I want a guy who can help us now rather than later. that's all.

[Gcver2ver3]

I'm happy to see that most people are for us getting Abraham....much like myself....although i voted in favor only if CBA deal is extended...


31 - 10 in favor of Abraham.....:thumbs: