The First Pick in the 2006 NFL Draft is

[freak6]

Reggie Bush.

If Gary Kubiak passes on him, then he and Casserly have gotta be checked in to mental institutions. This talk about them moving the pick is ridiculous. Reggie Bush is a far better player than anyone else in this draft. Maybe he doesnt meet thier immediate needs. Are the Texans really ready to compete for a championship anyway? Hell no.

Bush will be one of the best players in the NFL for a solid 6-8 years. How can you pass on that talent. Reggie Bush's presence alone will dramatically help that offense as they spread the field with the new threat of Bush. IMO he is the best RB in this draft, and the best WR because of what he can do after the catch. He is everything Peter Warrick was, + he is a RB!!

Not to mention what he can do on special teams. If the Texans trade the pick then they deserve to lose as many games as they will, and Kubiak will regret it the rest of his life.

[Broncojef]

I think Kubiak is smart to shop the pick. If someone is willing to give up a boatload of draft picks for this one pick I would take it. The texans have many many holes to fill and with the depth in this draft may help the team out more getting several good players vice one star.

[Rohirrim]

I really believe that either the Jets or the Raiders are going to trade up (no matter how expensive) to get Leinhart at #1. The Texans need a lot of help, esp. on the lines. This draft is full of excellent linemen on both sides of the ball. If Kubiak can get a bundle of picks, I think he goes for it. After all, look who he learned under. ;D

[Broncoman13]

Hmm, Kubiak has Dom Davis in the backfield already. So, by drafting Bush they tie up somewhere around 10 million per season on two guys that can't be used at the same time. Meanwhile, they still have gaping holes all along the Oline. They'll be one dimensional and both Davis and Bush will end up wanting out of Houston before they ever get things fixed.

Looking at two recent trades that involved the #1 pick. (Oddly enough SD was the #1 both times!) SD holds the #1, has the rights to Marcus Vick. They instead field offers from several teams. They settle on the deal Atlanta sent which included the #5 (with which they drafted Tomlinson) a #3, a #2 the following year and Tim Dwight. I can't remember for sure, but I think Ben Leber and Reche Caldwell were their picks... both made the team.

The next time around the Chargers decided to deal the rights to Eli Manning to the Giants. In exchange they got the #4 (Rivers) and the Giants #1 in 05 (Shawn Merriman!). I believe they also received a 3rd rounder in the 04 draft in that deal.

In this draft you have the Texans at #1. The Jets and Packers are both in need of a QB. If the rumors are true that the Jets are interested in Leinart or Bush (both have been floated) then they would likely be willing to give up a deal similar to that of the Falcons in 02. The Texans receive the #4 (with which they grab D'Brick or whatever LT they have at the top of their board. They also receive the #2 and a player. With the #2 they could go a number of directions. Joseph at Guard, Mangold at Center, Winston/Scott/McNeil for their RT. Bare in mind they also have the 33rd pick. But here's the kicker... the Jets are in trouble with some of their players. Abraham wants out and the Texans are converting back to a 4-3 and are in need of a rush end. I don't think it's out of the question that they could receive a player of his caliber plus a #2 for the swap.

So the Texans could come away with D'Brick, Mangold, Scott, and Abraham in this draft. Another player that could conceivably be part of the deal is Coles... in lieu of Abraham. While the Texans aren't in need of a speed receiver (Bradford and Mathis) they are in need of a WR that will take pressure off of Dre. Hell, the Texans could just hold the Jets to the same deal as the Giants/Chargers deal and have the #4 in this years draft as well as two #1's in next years. Chances are that the Jets pick will be in the top 10. Not a sure bet (as we've witnessed this year with the Skins pick) but with a new QB and a struggling team to boot... the odds lie with the Texans.

So, considering the Texans biggest weaknesses in mind, wouldn't it make sense to trade a couple spots down and completely rebuild their OL with one the best OL classes in recent memory? A new Center, a new LT and a new OG or RT. Sure they'd take some bumps, but the ground work would be set for them to be players for the following 4-6 years.

[freak6]

The Jets and Packers are both in need of a QB.

A new Center, a new LT and a new OG or RT. Sure they'd take some bumps, but the ground work would be set for them to be players for the following 4-6 years.

I think the Packers are cool with Aaron Rodgers. Maybe not though. That said, rookie O-lineman drafted that high are not for sure.

Reggie Bush is the real deal, no joke at all. And you can have both him and Davis on the field at the same time. And you wouldn't use Bush on every down anyway, he will be all over the place. His talent is so ridiculous the Texans would have to get the Jets entire draft and the #1 for next year to get the value for Bush.

Reggie Bush is a surefire Pro Bowl talent that will fill the seats, and win games. The O-line can be dealt with over time, and through Free Agency. You think a full crop of Rookies on the O-line is gonna help then this season? It won't. But Reggie Bush will fill the seats, re-juvenate the team, and become the greatest weapon for a very aggressive Offense.

I hope they trade the pick so I can hate the Texans and say I told you so when David Carr is getting sacked 5 times again because his Oline can't hold a block on the play action passes they will undoubtedly be using many times over.

[ludo21]

the smart thing to do would be to shop the pick around and trade down a couple spots to NY or NO. Then draft the only SURE" THING IN the top 5!! Brick is going to be great!

Fix up front first. That is basic football 101.

[freak6]

Fix up front first. That is basic football 101.

I totally disagree with you. Case in point.

Barry Sanders vs Tony Mandarich

John Elway vs Chris Hinton (i know he played D but still)

Michael Jordan vs Sam Bowie

I also think Brick will be a stud though, but Bush is imo the best collegiate player I have ever seen. Bush is a difference maker everytime he touches the ball. Skill players with his potential cannot be passed by. It will go down as the stupidest trade in history. You also have to think about filling seats.

Also, offensive lineman can be picked up via free agency. Why package that pick and have to pick up the salaries of more #1 draft picks and holdout headaches, when you can go out in the market and sign a veteran LT ready to start tommorow (Lepsis, maybe Hopkins, Shields at G).

Passing up this incredible talent will seal thier fate for a long time.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

The Giants gave up an '04 1st and 3rd, '05 1st and 5th

[watermock]

Reggie Bush.

If Gary Kubiak passes on him, then he and Casserly have gotta be checked in to mental institutions. This talk about them moving the pick is ridiculous. Reggie Bush is a far better player than anyone else in this draft. Maybe he doesnt meet thier immediate needs. Are the Texans really ready to compete for a championship anyway? Hell no.

Bush will be one of the best players in the NFL for a solid 6-8 years. How can you pass on that talent. Reggie Bush's presence alone will dramatically help that offense as they spread the field with the new threat of Bush. IMO he is the best RB in this draft, and the best WR because of what he can do after the catch. He is everything Peter Warrick was, + he is a RB!!

Not to mention what he can do on special teams. If the Texans trade the pick then they deserve to lose as many games as they will, and Kubiak will regret it the rest of his life.

Dunno...Pubes will probably sread the field 5 wide with Bush on the bench in passing downs....Ha!

[freak6]

Ok Mock.

Bush avg 8.5 YPC and 35 yards per touchdown.

[ludo21]

I totally disagree with you. Case in point.

Barry Sanders vs Tony Mandarich

John Elway vs Chris Hinton (i know he played D but still)

Michael Jordan vs Sam Bowie

I also think Brick will be a stud though, but Bush is imo the best collegiate player I have ever seen. Bush is a difference maker everytime he touches the ball. Skill players with his potential cannot be passed by. It will go down as the stupidest trade in history. You also have to think about filling seats.

Also, offensive lineman can be picked up via free agency. Why package that pick and have to pick up the salaries of more #1 draft picks and holdout headaches, when you can go out in the market and sign a veteran LT ready to start tommorow (Lepsis, maybe Hopkins, Shields at G).

Passing up this incredible talent will seal thier fate for a long time.


You picked 3 guys over the thousands of picks there have been. Most teams that WIN are complete teams. 1 guy that will only touch the ball 25 times max will not get you many W's.

Wins will fill the seats. Bush may fill them for a little while, but in the long run Texans fans want wins, and bringing on the Brick and other draft choices will get them those wins imo.

[-Slap-]

He is everything Peter Warrick was, + he is a RB!!

You could have made a much stronger case for Bush by editing out this sentence.

[freak6]

Haa, Warrick graded out as one of the greatest collegians ever, that's why I threw that in, plus he is a RB.

Ludo, you think a LT and some draft picks will get them there. I think what you are suggesting is that the Texans can pull of a trade and get the value like the Cowboys pulled with Herschel Walker.

Bush is a freak. You gotta watch more film on him. He is ridiculously good. USC wins that game and Vince Young is a top 15 pick if he touches the ball more that night.

8.7 yards per carry!!! I know he won't get that in the pros, but he will score touchdowns with his amazing atheticism. I think the best example I gave was Bowie vs Jordan. You just can't pass up a talent like this.

Basketball examples are popping into my head like crazy, Raef over Vince Carter and Jamison...ugh.

If you look at the difference between and avg LT and what Brickashaw could do in the pros, compared to Bush vs the avg RB, you gotta take Bush even if you get another late 1st.

Draft choices are a crap shoot. Bush is the real deal that will score touchdowns, create mismatches, fill seats, and won't lie in the State of the Union because he is nothing but the TRUTH!!!

DRAFT BUSH...REGGIE BUSH!!!

(only because I like Kubes, I actually hate everything Texas though and wouldn't mind seeing him in Jets kelly green)

[Broncoman13]

Bush and Davis can take the field at the same time... no doubt about it. BUT, it's not smart for the Texans to commit so much money to the RB position. If memory serves, they recently resigned Dom Davis to a pretty big contract. I think in the neighborhood of 5 mil per season. Bush would require the same and probably a bit more when you consider he'll probably get 25 mil up front. That by itself gives you 10 mil between the two. How exactly are they going to address the OL (we're not talking about 1 or 2 positions on the OL here, we're talking atleast 4 and possibly all 5... you could probably add a TE in here as well!) when they're putting that much money into the RB's.

By Freak's logic the Texans can't run playaction and Carr will get killed unless Bush is in the backfield.

Here's a little secret Freak. LB's in the NFL are fast. Teams will do the exact same thing to Bush that UT did in the championship game. Bush is an elite runner... IN COLLEGE, in the Pro's he may never be more than a Eric Metcalf type of player. I'd take Lendale over him. Size and power in the NFL are proven and successful. Bush will have some dynamic runs. Its bound to happen. Look at Tatum. But also consider that an old power back like Mike Anderson was able to beat out the speedster.

[Broncoman13]

Haa, Warrick graded out as one of the greatest collegians ever, that's why I threw that in, plus he is a RB.

Ludo, you think a LT and some draft picks will get them there. I think what you are suggesting is that the Texans can pull of a trade and get the value like the Cowboys pulled with Herschel Walker.

Bush is a freak. You gotta watch more film on him. He is ridiculously good. USC wins that game and Vince Young is a top 15 pick if he touches the ball more that night.

8.7 yards per carry!!! I know he won't get that in the pros, but he will score touchdowns with his amazing atheticism. I think the best example I gave was Bowie vs Jordan. You just can't pass up a talent like this.

Basketball examples are popping into my head like crazy, Raef over Vince Carter and Jamison...ugh.

If you look at the difference between and avg LT and what Brickashaw could do in the pros, compared to Bush vs the avg RB, you gotta take Bush even if you get another late 1st.

Draft choices are a crap shoot. Bush is the real deal that will score touchdowns, create mismatches, fill seats, and won't lie in the State of the Union because he is nothing but the TRUTH!!!

DRAFT BUSH...REGGIE BUSH!!!

(only because I like Kubes, I actually hate everything Texas though and wouldn't mind seeing him in Jets kelly green)

Warrick graded out as one of the best collegians? First of all, that doesn't really support your arguement anymore. Saying that he graded out as the best and totally flopped and now you have Bush carrying the same moniker... doesn't bode well for him. Second, Warrick didn't grade out as the best. In fact, he didn't grade out as the best WR even. Moss was 10x the prospect when he came out of Marshall. He dropped in the draft b/c of substance abuse. Warrick ran a 4.54 40. He measured in close to 2'' shorter than his listed height at FSU. He was the typical Cincy bust.

Finally, you should go back and read my post. I said from the beginning that an entire new OL doesn't equate to immediate wins. Just like you can't bring in a rookie QB, WR, and RB and expect to win from day one. But, a year from now you're talking a completely different story. You're talking about setting the frame work for the next 5 years ATLEAST in one draft. The Texans have the means to draft the best OT/LT in a very deep class. They have the means to draft the best Center in the draft that happens to be the perfect fit for the zone scheme. They have the means to draft another OT/RT that in most years would grade out as a top 15 pick. John Scott, Eric Winston, McNeil... take your pick. Last year any one of those three goes in the top 10. Next year would be the same story. It just happens to be a deep draft and there's only 3 or 4 teams looking for OT's in the early going. One of the top 6 will be available at 33.

Like several have pointed out Freak. The game is won in the trenches. RB's can't run and QB's don't have time to throw without the guys up front and right now the Texans are in desperate need of guys up front. With Kubiak at the helm I have to assume that a heartbeat is no longer the only requirement to be a Lineman for the Houston Texans.

[yavoon]

Warrick graded out as one of the best collegians? First of

Like several have pointed out Freak. The game is won in the trenches. RB's can't run and QB's don't have time to throw without the guys up front and right now the Texans are in desperate need of guys up front. With Kubiak at the helm I have to assume that a heartbeat is no longer the only requirement to be a Lineman for the Houston Texans.

its not very hard to go from awful to avg. u can often do it w/ very few or no roster changes. ppl just dont have memories of who has done it(because they were never on important teams).

[longtimer]

I watched what bush did in the rose bowl. Not a thing in fact he was replaced by white. Bush will be a big time bust base on his hype. I think lendale white will have a better NFL career than bush. Trade the top pick to some fool who is willing to over pay. OL is the position that determines how Manny points you can score in a game not Running back. There is not a running back that has ever played that can score with out a OL. But very average running backs can score behind a pro-bowl caliber OL. Busch is over rated, Fun to watch but in the grand scheme of things over rated. The Texans need an OL that can run Denver's running scheme Debrick would be a great piece in the puzzle, not only can he open hole for any RB to run through but he can improve the passing game for all of the Texans WR by helping to keep the QB vertical instead of horizontal during a passing play. This is the first requirement to complete a pass is not get sacked and that starts with the OL.

[BroncoInferno]

IThat said, rookie O-lineman drafted that high are not for sure.

Actually, Offensive tackle is probably the safest position to draft when you're talking about top 5 picks. Very low bust rate at that position.

[freak6]

There is not a running back that has ever played that can score with out a OL. .

Really. Barry Sanders... heard of him?

Bush is a 6 foot Barry Sanders that can be split out and make plays from all over the field.

[freak6]

Oskie, they would have to bite the bullet with both RB's for now, but who cares, are they contenders now? Hell no. They are rebuilding, and taking a supreme talent like Bush guarantees them a franchise player they can build around. There is no reason they can't go Bush #1, and draft a solid OL with thier round 2 and round 3 pick.

But the difference in playmaking ability that Reggie Bush brings to the game will help turn that franchise around and get them some wins. Waiting a few years for the Oline to gel and by then Carr's contract will be up and Andre Johnson will want outta there etc...

The Cowboys had the big 3. Bush, Carr, Johnson, can be the same. A solid Oline whether drafted or picked up in FA is ABSOLUTELY neccessary, but not when a supreme talent like Reggie Bush is availible. You just don't pass him up.

Watch more film on Bush. One on one it is all over. One on 2 I'll take Reggie Bush.

[ludo21]

Oskie, they would have to bite the bullet with both RB's for now, but who cares, are they contenders now? Hell no. They are rebuilding, and taking a supreme talent like Bush guarantees them a franchise player they can build around. There is no reason they can't go Bush #1, and draft a solid OL with thier round 2 and round 3 pick.

But the difference in playmaking ability that Reggie Bush brings to the game will help turn that franchise around and get them some wins. Waiting a few years for the Oline to gel and by then Carr's contract will be up and Andre Johnson will want outta there etc...

The Cowboys had the big 3. Bush, Carr, Johnson, can be the same. A solid Oline whether drafted or picked up in FA is ABSOLUTELY neccessary, but not when a supreme talent like Reggie Bush is availible. You just don't pass him up.

Watch more film on Bush. One on one it is all over. One on 2 I'll take Reggie Bush.


Cowboys also had a very good OL.

[Crushaholic]

Really. Barry Sanders... heard of him?

Bush is a 6 foot Barry Sanders that can be split out and make plays from all over the field.

Barry Sanders individually had a great career, but the Lions as a team went nowhere during that time. The Texans would be smart to grab a couple more picks in this deep draft if they want to build a Super Bowl contending team.

[freak6]

Barry Sanders individually had a great career, but the Lions as a team went nowhere during that time. The Texans would be smart to grab a couple more picks in this deep draft if they want to build a Super Bowl contending team.

They did nothing because they didn't build a team around him. Look at the Oline - garbage.

Qbs - garbage (Andre Ware, Scott Mitchell)

Coaches - garbage

In Texas you have a legit QB, a legit Coaching staff (Mike Sherman coaching the Oline) and with Bush and thier picks lots of talent.

Again, they have the first pick in the 2nd round and 3rd round. They can fill needs there, but they would be incredibly stupid to trade the #1 overall. With the salary cap, and the draft being what it is (crapshoot), I definitely prefer in this case take Bush, and fill the Oline through Free Agency and a trade or two for known commodities.

[Rohirrim]

Well, I guess we'll know what the Texans are going to do before draft day. If they don't hook up with his agent and hash out the details before then, we can pretty much figure they're trading out of the top spot.

[freak6]

I don't think so Ro, I think they are going to keep fielding offers til the last minute.

[longtimer]

Really. Barry Sanders... heard of him?

Bush is a 6 foot Barry Sanders that can be split out and make plays from all over the field.

The only problem with him spitting out and playing some WR is that the QB is on his back side before he can throw the ball.

Barry sanders was fun to watch but because the lions never got an OL that was even average he turned never fullfilled his potental. The lions never won a chapionship or went to the super bowl while barry was playing for the lions.

Super bowl CHAMPIONS are won by first winning the indivdual match ups in the trenches. A running back that can always move the chains is just as valuble as one that can take it the distance altho not as fun to watch.

[longtimer]

They did nothing because they didn't build a team around him. Look at the Oline - garbage.

Qbs - garbage (Andre Ware, Scott Mitchell)

Coaches - garbage

In Texas you have a legit QB, a legit Coaching staff (Mike Sherman coaching the Oline) and with Bush and thier picks lots of talent.

Again, they have the first pick in the 2nd round and 3rd round. They can fill needs there, but they would be incredibly stupid to trade the #1 overall. With the salary cap, and the draft being what it is (crapshoot), I definitely prefer in this case take Bush, and fill the Oline through Free Agency and a trade or two for known commodities.

Thank you for making my point! So we now know that the Texans should trade the 1st pick and build there OL with the extra picks.

[yavoon]

The only problem with him spitting out and playing some WR is that the QB is on his back side before he can throw the ball.

Barry sanders was fun to watch but because the lions never got an OL that was even average he turned never fullfilled his potental. The lions never won a chapionship or went to the super bowl while barry was playing for the lions.

Super bowl CHAMPIONS are won by first winning the indivdual match ups in the trenches. A running back that can always move the chains is just as valuble as one that can take it the distance altho not as fun to watch.

what u say is uninteresting and trite:).

[freak6]

Thank you for making my point! So we now know that the Texans should trade the 1st pick and build there OL with the extra picks.

Nope, take the dynamic back, and build the Oline through FA with KNOWN VETERAN COMMODITIES, not rookies that could be busts. If they do that, they could turn it around and be in the playoffs in 2007, BEFORE CARR'S extension runs out.

They don't have time to wait for a full crop of rookies to either make it or bust.

[longtimer]

Nope, take the dynamic back, and build the Oline through FA with KNOWN VETERAN COMMODITIES, not rookies that could be busts. If they do that, they could turn it around and be in the playoffs in 2007, BEFORE CARR'S extension runs out.

They don't have time to wait for a full crop of rookies to either make it or bust.

Using the FA market to build your OL would srew up your cap. There have been plenty of OL FA that came to Denver that did not play up to there contracts. To build a champion the draft is the core eliment to achieve it. FA is used for filling in a few players to get you over the top.

[longtimer]

what u say is uninteresting and trite:).

If you do not like my thoughts I not requiring you to read them.

[ludo21]

If you do not like my thoughts I not requiring you to read them.


i think he was being sarcastic bro :thumbs:

[yavoon]

If you do not like my thoughts I not requiring you to read them.

just lettin u know:).

[freak6]

Using the FA market to build your OL would srew up your cap. There have been plenty of OL FA that came to Denver that did not play up to there contracts. To build a champion the draft is the core eliment to achieve it. FA is used for filling in a few players to get you over the top.

Not with the Cap being raised, and they can dump Daviss' contract to free up even more room.

I'm not saying they need to get the entire Oline thru FA, but a LT and one more vet. Plus, the draft is a CRAPSHOOT. What kept the Texans from winning was that attrocious Oline. That can be fixed in 2 seasons in FA. If you put all you hopes in some college prospects your gonna get burned. FA is where you get bonnafied NFL starters that you know can play at this level.

Zimmerman, Tony Jones, Schlereth all Bronco draft choices right?