About Abraham and the Broncos. [Archive] - The Orange Mane

Requiem

02-27-2006, 08:23 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2346508

If you scroll down a bit, it states the Jets have talked to the Redskins and the Broncos about dealing him. I wonder what we'd have to give for him. How would you feel about him playing for the Broncos?

ND Bronco Fan

02-27-2006, 08:25 AM

Good if we get rid of Pryce-pay Abraham the 8.5 million that Pryce currently getting and not producing for.

eddie mac

02-27-2006, 08:51 AM

Good if we get rid of Pryce-pay Abraham the 8.5 million that Pryce currently getting and not producing for.

Think you'll find that any savings the Broncos get from Pryce whether he restructures or is cut has already been factored into any deal for Warren or Lepsis.

MajikMan7

02-27-2006, 08:54 AM

I'd rather get a DE in the draft

ludo21

02-27-2006, 08:54 AM

i wouldnt mind. But i would still rather build thru the draft for DL and grab a FA WR.

rbackfactory80

02-27-2006, 09:28 AM

Pass rusher/ playmaker,how could I resist.

ND Bronco Fan

02-27-2006, 09:37 AM

Think you'll find that any savings the Broncos get from Pryce whether he restructures or is cut has already been factored into any deal for Warren or Lepsis.

Probably-kinda disappointed though, was hoping they would find a way to make a little noise in FA.

BroncoBuff

02-27-2006, 10:05 AM

NO WAY.

Too much money. Rather keep Lepsis. By about a light-year.

eddie mac

02-27-2006, 10:06 AM

Probably-kinda disappointed though, was hoping they would find a way to make a little noise in FA.

As I explained to fans on here previously who where throwing E James, Alexander and other high profile names around as if they were legitimate targets, there was never any way in hell the Broncos were going to be competitive in FA this year. Top priority was always re-signing their own and even now that's looking extremely difficult!!

Orange_Beard

02-27-2006, 10:07 AM

Bring him on.....

If we can fit him in, bring him on.

Orange_Beard

02-27-2006, 10:08 AM

I would take him over TO.

Pressure wins games.

ND Bronco Fan

02-27-2006, 10:14 AM

As I explained to fans on here previously who where throwing E James, Alexander and other high profile names around as if they were legitimate targets, there was never any way in hell the Broncos were going to be competitive in FA this year. Top priority was always re-signing their own and even now that's looking extremely difficult!!

Stroking your internet Cork quite a bit but I guess thats ok--Year in and Year out the same discussion takes place, Denver has no money, over the cap yadda yadda yadda.......they always seem to find a way to make moves in Free Agency and we all know that their top priority was resigning those guys, anyone who can read has read the quotes for the past month in the papers. My single point is..........they always have found a way to do something in free agency and I always assumed this year would be no different, it does seem that this year may be a little different.

eddie mac

02-27-2006, 10:14 AM

Looks like Houston may well be his destination.

The Jets are logical trade partners for the No. 1 pick because disgruntled defensive end John Abraham would have great appeal to the Texans, who are desperate for a pass rush. In addition, the Texans have a crying need to protect their recently re-signed QB, David Carr, and can grab blue-chip left tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson at No. 4 should they swap picks with the Jets.
-- New York Post

ND Bronco Fan

02-27-2006, 10:15 AM

eddie mac

02-27-2006, 10:16 AM

Stroking your internet Cork quite a bit but I guess thats ok--Year in and Year out the same discussion takes place, Denver has no money, over the cap yadda yadda yadda.......they always seem to find a way to make moves in Free Agency and we all know that their top priority was resigning those guys, anyone who can read has read the quotes for the past month in the papers. My single point is..........they always have found a way to do something in free agency and I always assumed this year would be no different, it does seem that this year may be a little different.

Not at all but this is the worst they've ever been because they never counted on having no CBA agreement in place!

Hercules Rockefeller

02-27-2006, 10:20 AM

Not at all but this is the worst they've ever been because they never counted on having no CBA agreement in place!

But they're also operating like they expect a new CBA to be in place by the time free agency starts. We can all say they don't have the money, but Denver would have never inquired about a tagged player if they didn't believe they would eventually have the cap room this offseason. It's a given that the contract JA would be signed to would be expensive. This isn't like calling about Warren last offseason who Denver knew would only have a $950k base salary in '05.

Hercules Rockefeller

02-27-2006, 10:50 AM

Think you'll find that any savings the Broncos get from Pryce whether he restructures or is cut has already been factored into any deal for Warren or Lepsis.

Both GW and ML save money simply by getting new deals, they have significant cap numbers at this point before their deals void.

Rascal

02-27-2006, 10:57 AM

Damn eddie mac you sound more pessimistic then me!!

Denver is going to get some big $$ player this year but nobody knows who. We are in the best cap situation we've been in for a long time. If Shanny wants a player he will make it happen I trust him to do that...it's just that sometimes I don't agree on the player.

Everybody is getting screwed by the CBA so we are not in any more of a desperate situation then anybody else. Everybody is taking a wait and see.

~Crash~

02-27-2006, 10:57 AM

Sundquist would not comment specifically about the Rosenhaus pitch, but said the only free- agent room left in his payroll budget is for re-signing his own players. Put another way, if Rosenhaus is hoping to get Owens a mega-million-dollar contract, he had better find another hotel lobby.

Does Sundquist believe he will have Broncos free agents Gerard Warren, Matt Lepsis, Ron Dayne and Keith Burns under contract once the league's collective bargaining agreement is resolved, perhaps this week?

eddie mac

02-27-2006, 10:58 AM

Both GW and ML save money simply by getting new deals, they have significant cap numbers at this point before their deals void.

I know that Herc but unless Denver are able to backload both deals they'll have significant cap hits for 2006. I thought I read somewhere last year that Shanahan had a 3 year plan to sort out the Broncos cap issues and stop backloading contracts so he wouldn't have to approach his top earners every year to help the cap.

Rascal

02-27-2006, 10:59 AM

~Crash~

02-27-2006, 11:02 AM

bargin basement this year deal with it ....bert berry was a bargin so there is hope...

Hercules Rockefeller

02-27-2006, 11:02 AM

Denver is going to get some big $$ player this year but nobody knows who. We are in the best cap situation we've been in for a long time. If Shanny wants a player he will make it happen I trust him to do that...it's just that sometimes I don't agree on the player.

If there is a no CBA, I'd lay money that 2 out of Lepsis, Warren, and Pryce play elsewhere next season and wouldn't be surprised if all 3 did. A new CBA and they could probably get under simply by signing ML and GW to new deals before they even touch Pryce's deal (hopefully cutting him).

Hercules Rockefeller

02-27-2006, 11:04 AM

I thought I read somewhere last year that Shanahan had a 3 year plan to sort out the Broncos cap issues and stop backloading contracts so he wouldn't have to approach his top earners every year to help the cap.

It seems like he's doing better, but he needs to quit extending older players (Nalen and Lynch) and simply get rid of the contracts. That's how Philly can do what they do. MS isn't cut throat enough in that respect, of course if he could draft better on the 2nd day, Denver wouldn't need to rely on vets so heavily.

~Crash~

02-27-2006, 11:07 AM

watts was having one heck of a rookie season then hit the rookie wall ,then a freshmen slump I think he might be the answer and I hope hummer gets him going again.

Popps

02-27-2006, 11:27 AM

Just talked to my Jets buddy, and he seems to think that the trade is a possibility... though he is more of the train of thought that the San Diego thing makes more sense. (For one of theirs QBs)

We'd have to do a trade/sign/re-negotiate type of thing. Abraham wants a long-term contract, so it's possible.

He'd be a terror if he could play a whole season. But, even 3/4ths of a season would be more production than any of our DEs give us.

Re-structure Pryce WAY down, sign Warren, trade for Abraham and draft DE with one or both of our first round picks.

Hercules Rockefeller

02-27-2006, 11:31 AM

We'd have to do a trade/sign/re-negotiate type of thing. Abraham wants a long-term contract, so it's possible.

Since he's tagged, he'd have to have a new contract before he could be traded.

eddie mac

02-27-2006, 11:37 AM

They are going to get somebody to fill the void at DE for pass rushing. They know it and WR are the only things stopping them from being in the SB. Shanny is taking care of the home crowd first as he should, and then we will get the players in FA or draft to take the next step.

Relax guys.

Bro I'm far from pessimistic, more realism. Without the CBA the Broncos are gonna do jack-**** apart from the draft. Sure they'll probably pick up a couple of journeymen for competition but that'll be it. No 6-7 year poration of signing bonuses, the Broncos wont be a player at all.

Popps

02-27-2006, 11:43 AM

Since he's tagged, he'd have to have a new contract before he could be traded.

So, the Jets could re-negotiate one... no? Seems unlikely that anyone would trade for him for a one-year deal with that big cap number.

Hercules Rockefeller

02-27-2006, 11:51 AM

So, the Jets could re-negotiate one... no? Seems unlikely that anyone would trade for him for a one-year deal with that big cap number.

It's weird the way trading for tagged (franchise, RFAs, or transition) players work. They have to "sign" a new deal with their old team, and then be traded to their new team.

~Crash~

02-27-2006, 12:10 PM

Bro I'm far from pessimistic, more realism. Without the CBA the Broncos are gonna do jack-**** apart from the draft. Sure they'll probably pick up a couple of journeymen for competition but that'll be it. No 6-7 year poration of signing bonuses, the Broncos wont be a player at all.

thing is we are not the only team up agianst the cap heck NY cut half a team the other day there will be alot of good bargin player this year...

TheManeMan

02-27-2006, 01:00 PM

I would love to see Abraham in a Broncos uni...but, after reading the speculation with Houston...they seem like the most viable trading partner...

BroncoBuff

02-27-2006, 01:06 PM

I would love to see Abraham in a Broncos uni...but, after reading the speculation with Houston...they seem like the most viable trading partner...
But would you sacrifice Matt Lepsis to make it happen? I hope you say no.

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WABronco

02-27-2006, 01:13 PM

But would you sacrifice Matt Lepsis to make it happen? I hope you say no.

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Yes...

Who says we have to "sacrifice" Lepsis anyways? I think I read that the Abraham thing happens if both Brown and Pryce (and maybe Warren) are gone.

TheManeMan

02-27-2006, 01:13 PM

Can you tell me where is says that if the Broncos were to trade for Abraham, Lepsis would be on his way out?

WABronco

02-27-2006, 01:15 PM

Can you tell me where is says that if the Broncos were to trade for Abraham, Lepsis would be on his way out?

He's got such a hard on for Lepsis, the thought just occured automatically...

rbackfactory80

02-27-2006, 02:09 PM

But would you sacrifice Matt Lepsis to make it happen? I hope you say no.

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In case you have not been watching, the past few seasons have focused on specifically getting good on the defensive side of the ball. The mentality I think is that with a dominant defense no matter who we have on offense we will be able to move the ball. Abraham is the man, he is in the backfield every play, I would know living in NY and if he is not sacking the QB he is forcing a fumble. He is the one piece we need to make the defense not have those miserably embarrasing days against good throwing teams. I think there has to be a way to add him, and keep Lepsis if that means getting rid of Pryce or whatever other high cap figure guy out there it is worth it. Pass rushers are worth their weight in gold, they single handedly change games.

BroncoBuff

02-27-2006, 04:49 PM

He's got such a hard on for Lepsis, the thought just occured automatically...
You might be right (except for the hard on part of course). I do love the guy - he's a Buff for one, and a converted tight end. But it's easy to forget that in 1999, he landed on Terrell Davis's knee, effectively ending his career ...

The real reason I said Abraham vs. Lepsis is the same reason there's a thread about Warren vs. Lepsis ... we can't afford them all.

WABronco

02-27-2006, 05:00 PM

You might be right (except for the hard on part of course). I do love the guy - he's a Buff for one, and a converted tight end. But it's easy to forget that in 1999, he landed on Terrell Davis's knee, effectively ending his career ...

The real reason I said Abraham vs. Lepsis is the same reason there's a thread about Warren vs. Lepsis ... we can't afford them all.

I know, I'm just playin' around...

broncosteven

02-27-2006, 05:24 PM

But would you sacrifice Matt Lepsis to make it happen? I hope you say no.

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Dude you have a real bad Man Crush on Matt. Is your "2005 Boner Jam" Stroke Tape Compliation filled with shots of Matt bent over taking on rough men? LOL! Get it Boner Jams like from the 40 year old Virgin? Man Crush. I crack my self up. Anyway 2 threads where you are head over heals for "Mattie". You better watch it we will begin to find out you have been meeting "Mattie" on monthly "Fishing trips" to Brokeback Mountian!

I would hate to see you the day after Matt retires. What will you do with out Matt in your life?

Atlas

02-27-2006, 06:00 PM

I know that Herc but unless Denver are able to backload both deals they'll have significant cap hits for 2006. I thought I read somewhere last year that Shanahan had a 3 year plan to sort out the Broncos cap issues and stop backloading contracts so he wouldn't have to approach his top earners every year to help the cap.

Denver has some cap issues but it's not really anything terrible. What they are doing is getting rid of those 7 year contracts they were signing players too. Remember Jelly's 7 year $21 million deal??

Sign the players for what they are worth and for the amount of years they are going to be productive. Lepsis would be cheaper with a 7 year deal but I feel Denver will sign him to a 5 year deal maybe even a 3 year deal.

Hercules Rockefeller

02-27-2006, 06:41 PM

Denver has some cap issues but it's not really anything terrible. What they are doing is getting rid of those 7 year contracts they were signing players too. Remember Jelly's 7 year $21 million deal??

Deal length is worthless when it comes to judging a contract, and Shanahan isn't using 7 year deals anymore because the amount of years that signing bonuses can be prorated has been declining over time. If a new CBA gets done, it'll go back up to 7 years and Shanahan will start signing guys to 7 year deals again with the exception of older players like a Nalen or a Lynch.

Hercules Rockefeller

02-27-2006, 06:43 PM

http://www.jetstv.com/

John Clayton on Abraham

Clockwork Orange

02-27-2006, 09:29 PM

http://www.jetstv.com/

John Clayton on Abraham

According to some of the people over at extremeskins, they think they can trade Ramsey straight across for Abraham. Some have even suggested that the Jets would have to throw in a draft pick to make the deal even.:spit:

Hercules Rockefeller

02-27-2006, 09:35 PM

According to some of the people over at extremeskins, they think they can trade Ramsey straight across for Abraham. Some have even suggested that the Jets would have to throw in a draft pick to make the deal even.:spit:

Yep, it's amazing how much value a benched QB has. He's so young, and he's got such a good arm. It shouldn't matter that he's done dick in the league for 4 years. That site is going to melt down if they end up getting a 4th round pick for him, which is what one of the WaPo's beat writers said they'll get on the radio today.

Clockwork Orange

02-27-2006, 09:40 PM

That site is going to melt down if they end up getting a 4th round pick for him, which is what one of the WaPo's beat writers said they'll get on the radio today.

Nah, Dan Snyder will just pass out a chart that tells them that the 4th they got is actually a really, really, really late 1st rounder. ;D

broncogary

02-27-2006, 09:44 PM

WABronco

02-27-2006, 09:45 PM

Yep, if the NY Post said it, it must be true. Hilarious!

A Houston reporter strongly denied those reports today, so...

CBF1

02-27-2006, 11:44 PM

Okay.... let me update my scorecard. So far I have seen posts here that Denver is looking at the following players:

Ricky Williams... forget it
Terrell Owens
John Abraham
Eric Moulds
Egerrain James

Did I miss any other reach/HIGH priced free agent that we can not afford to sign?

fontaine

02-28-2006, 03:49 AM

Yep, it's amazing how much value a benched QB has. He's so young, and he's got such a good arm. It shouldn't matter that he's done dick in the league for 4 years. That site is going to melt down if they end up getting a 4th round pick for him, which is what one of the WaPo's beat writers said they'll get on the radio today.

I'd send a 4th round pick for Ramsay no problem (in other words, give back the skin's pick). It's hard to judge what the kid has when he was under a pretty messed up offense with Spurrier where pass protection stunk and Gibbs was inclined to go with a veteran.

OrangeShadow

02-28-2006, 05:08 AM

The thing about getting a guy in the draft you dont know how much he'll help his first year. abraham would

chrisp

02-28-2006, 06:29 AM

I can see a Pryce-Abraham trade, but the trouble is, Abraham's proven sack record make him more marketable than Pyce, so if Shanny does enginneer a 1 for 1 swap he's nothing short of a genius. Possibly a later-round draft pick plus Pryce gets us Abraham, which would definitely upgrade our defense.

I don't see a deal being done before the CBA is resolved though - the Broncos need to know how much cap room they are dealing with before they took on a player like Abraham - thing is, Pat Bowlen is right at the centre of things, so Shanny should have a good idea of what the likeliest outcomes are - in fact , wouldn't be surprised if the cap size under any new deal is already a parameter that is more or less agreed.

When negotiations reach their deadlines, there are usually only one or two key issues that are the sticking-points, which means that 90% of any agreement is nailed down - however, despite what I said above, the size of the salary-cap could be one of those issues, so who can say? At least we'll know by the end of the week.....

eddie mac

02-28-2006, 09:29 AM

There's no way in hell the Jets will want Pryce not as part of any trade deal for Abraham. If we get him for a 2nd rounder it'll be a steal. They'll want No22 for him.

Rascal

02-28-2006, 09:32 AM

I think the highest I'd want to give up for Abraham due to his injury concerns is the 29th. If they ask for 22 the answer is no.

rbackfactory80

02-28-2006, 09:33 AM

There's no way in hell the Jets will want Pryce not as part of any trade deal for Abraham. If we get him for a 2nd rounder it'll be a steal. They'll want No22 for him.

I was thinking 29, but I think you are definitely in the right ballpark.

rbackfactory80

02-28-2006, 09:44 AM

Its funny to me but I think people fail to realize how good this guy is. I will be the first to admit that last year during the Jets playoff run him not playing when he was "70 percent" was B.S. I think it means nothing though to whatever team he ends up signing with. The guy reminds me very much of a young Simeon Rice, he is only 27 and would be our stud end for the future.

Hercules Rockefeller

02-28-2006, 10:19 AM

Nah, Dan Snyder will just pass out a chart that tells them that the 4th they got is actually a really, really, really late 1st rounder. ;D

Clayton said on Mike and Mike that he's going to the Jets for a 6th. Apparently Clayton now hates the Skins and is only attempting to lower Ramsey's trade value by making stuff up. I swear ES is a conspiracy site, all media is out to get them. Maybe it's me, but I doubt that the Jets, 'Fins and whoever else might be interested in PRam figure out a player's trade value by listening to the ESPN talking heads.

Clayton also said a new CBA in 24 hours and Abraham will probably only fetch a 2nd.

Rascal

02-28-2006, 10:26 AM

How can he only fetch a second when he got slapped with a franchise tag? I thought once a player got slapped with that that in trades they had to garner a first rounder?

Hercules Rockefeller

02-28-2006, 10:27 AM

How can he only fetch a second when he got slapped with a franchise tag? I thought once a player got slapped with that that in trades they had to garner a first rounder?

If you sign them to an offer sheet it will cost a team two 1sts, if you come to a trade agreement, it's whatever the teams agree on.

WABronco

02-28-2006, 10:32 AM

Clayton said on Mike and Mike that he's going to the Jets for a 6th. Apparently Clayton now hates the Skins and is only attempting to lower Ramsey's trade value by making stuff. I swear ES is a conspiracy site, all media is out to get them. Maybe it's me, but I doubt that the Jets, 'Fins and whoever else might be interested in PRam figure out a player's trade value by listening to the ESPN talking heads.

Clayton also said a new CBA in 24 hours and Abraham will probably only fetch a 2nd.

JC speaks the truth! YES!!!

WABronco

02-28-2006, 10:34 AM

If you sign them to an offer sheet it will cost a team two 1sts, if you come to a trade agreement, it's whatever the teams agree on.

Isn't that just for RFA'S?

How 'bout Abraham and their 3rd (or 4th) for one of our 1sts?

Hercules Rockefeller

02-28-2006, 10:37 AM

Isn't that just for RFA'S?

How 'bout Abraham and their 3rd (or 4th) for one of our 1sts?

A trade's a trade, and teams can agree on whatever they want.

Yesterday I was thinking #29 for JA and their 3rd, but if Clayton thinks it will only take a 2nd, scratch that offer.

WABronco

02-28-2006, 10:42 AM

A trade's a trade, and teams can agree on whatever they want.

Yesterday I was thinking #29 for JA and their 3rd, but if Clayton thinks it will only take a 2nd, scratch that offer.

Maybe our 2 and a mid rounder then? I'd be all over that...