Venezuela Bans U.S. Airlines

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Just breaking on CNBC. Starting next week, Delta, Continental and United are banned from Venezuela air space in response to the U.S. banning some flights from Venezuela.

No link yet.

[Spider]

Damn ...... petty bullshít .......... dont we have enough problems with out picking on some other country ?

[Hotrod]

Pretty much what i was thinking Spider I kinda think it would be a good idea to stop pissing off every fricking country on the planet earth pretty soon.

Why did we ban some of their incoming planes???

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Pretty much what i was thinking Spider I kinda think it would be a good idea to stop pissing off every fricking country on the planet earth pretty soon.

Why did we ban some of their incoming planes???

I don't know but when we have done it in the past to other countries it's usually because there may be a question on safety inspections.

[Spider]

Pretty much what i was thinking Spider I kinda think it would be a good idea to stop pissing off every fricking country on the planet earth pretty soon.

Why did we ban some of their incoming planes???
I think luxumberg still likes us ;D idont know why we banned their planes , but all of this started when Chavez said he would flood the American market with cheap oil ...........

[Garcia Bronco]

What do you think we'll have to do to UAE if the port leases aren't approved? It's the same thing.

[TailgateNut]

What do you think we'll have to do to UAE if the port leases aren't approved? It's the same thing.

Who gives a $hit. Other than Michael Jackson and the Bush family, not to many true Americans have ties to or plan vacations in the UAE.

[Hotrod]

I think luxumberg still likes us ;D idont know why we banned their planes , but all of this started when Chavez said he would flood the American market with cheap oil ...........

Chavez is a fricking lunatic but if he floods our market with cheap oil Im gonna be pissed ;)

[Spider]

Chavez is a fricking lunatic but if he floods our market with cheap oil Im gonna be pissed ;)
:wiggle: you and me both , I love watching 400-500$$ ring up as I buy fuel

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Chavez is a fricking lunatic but if he floods our market with cheap oil Im gonna be pissed ;)
He's already providing cheap fuel to poor people in NE states.

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Chavez's cheap oil for US poor angers Washington
By Alec Russell in Washington
November 25, 2005

Venezuela's President, Hugo Chavez, has pulled off his greatest public relations coup yet in his campaign to irritate the Bush Administration with a deal to supply cheap fuel to thousands of poor residents of Boston and New York.

To the anger of many in Washington, Citgo Petroleum Corporation, a company controlled by the Venezuelan Government, will supply more than 45 million litres of oil at 40 per cent below market prices.

The deal is one of the most spectacular moves yet in Mr Chavez's attempt to market his "21st-century socialism" using his country's oil wealth.

While it will not change many minds in Washington about his populist and autocratic regime, Caracas hopes it will bolster Mr Chavez's claim as the coming leader of an anti-capitalist Latin America. Mr Chavez, who once dubbed President George Bush a "genocidal madman" and led a huge anti-US protest earlier this month, first proposed his fuel offer in August when oil prices were at a record high after Hurricane Katrina.

Joe Kennedy, the chairman of Citizens Energy, one of the organisations that will distribute the oil, said the deal highlighted the failure of oil companies in the US and the Government to step in to help.

"Our government has made billions of dollars just this year on the royalty payments the oil companies pay to the Government," he said. But when it is a question of poor Americans, "what do we hear from Washington? Sorry boys. There's no money in the till."

To promote his dream, Mr Chavez has offered cheap oil and refineries to his neighbours and pledged financial support for regional development programs.

All the while he has positioned himself as a rival to Washington, accusing the Bush Administration of plotting a coup against him, and predicting the imminent demise of American capitalism.

The US on Wednesday threatened to block a record-breaking arms deal under which Spain would sell ships and aircraft to Venezuela, claiming that the €1.3 billion ($2 billion) arms deal with Mr Chavez could destabilise the region.

The deal, due to be signed in Caracas on Monday, would be a huge boost to Spain's ailing shipyard industry and to the rest of its defence industry.

"Those air or naval platforms include US technology," the US ambassador to Madrid, Eduardo Aguirre, said on Wednesday. "We have not yet decided whether to grant our permission for obtaining that technology."
http://tinyurl.com/7bb53

[Garcia Bronco]

Who gives a $hit. Other than Michael Jackson and the Bush family, not to many true Americans have ties to or plan vacations in the UAE.

Do you mean Micheal Jackson the HLS deputy director or the pop singer? I wonder how many drugs have come out of South America in general that have ruined the lives of countless Americans? Perhaps we should ban all flights from other countries.

[alkemical]

Do you mean Micheal Jackson the HLS deputy director or the pop singer? I wonder how many drugs have come out of South America in general that have ruined the lives of countless Americans? Perhaps we should ban all flights from other countries.


What??? We gave the world the hanson brothers, or ishtar, or ted danson, or tony danza!

WE've done far too much harm than drugs have done. :)

[TailgateNut]

Do you mean Micheal Jackson the HLS deputy director or the pop singer? I wonder how many drugs have come out of South America in general that have ruined the lives of countless Americans? Perhaps we should ban all flights from other countries.

MJ the child molester has moved his a$$ and entourage to UAE. He's presently being approached by the goverment to develop an amusement park.
I can already see the rules at the entry: 1.you must be less than 4' to enter
2. Groping encouraged
3. Adult guardians not allowed

[Garcia Bronco]

MJ the child molester has moved his a$$ and entourage to UAE. He's presently being approached by the goverment to develop an amusement park.
I can already see the rules at the entry: 1.you must be less than 4' to enter
2. Groping encouraged
3. Adult guardians not allowed


"You can't be this tall to ride this ride."

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Venezuela Bars Delta, Continental Airlines
By FABIOLA SANCHEZ, Associated Press Writer 47 minutes ago

CARACAS, Venezuela - Venezuela plans to prohibit Continental Airlines and Delta Air Lines Inc. from flying into this South American nation and is restricting flights by a third major U.S. carrier, American Airlines, the head of the nation's federal aviation agency said.

Francisco Plaz, president of the National Aviation Institute, said Thursday the action was taken because the U.S.
Federal Aviation Administration had established a similar ban on some Venezuelan carriers serving routes to the United States 10 years ago due to safety violations and has failed to recognize improvements since then.

The orders would take effect on March 1, Plaz told the local Globovision television channel.

Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines currently operates a daily route from Simon Bolivar international Airport to Atlanta while Continental Airlines Inc. has daily flights from the airport to its base in Houston and weekly flights to New York.

"We are very disappointed by this unilateral action by the Venezuelan government and we are working closely with the U.S. departments of State and Transportation, as well as the airlines who received similar notice, to resolve the issue as quickly as possible," said Gina Laughlin, a spokeswoman for Delta Air Lines Inc.

Venezuela would eliminate some daily flights by AMR Corp.'s American Airlines between Venezuela and the U.S., but it wasn't immediately clear which ones. The airline operates flights to Venezuela from Miami, New York, Dallas-Fort Worth and Puerto Rico.

Dan Elwell, American Airlines spokesman, said the airline was surprised by the announcement.

"American Airlines had no warning of this announcement at all," Elwell said, adding that Venezuela is a very important market to the United States.

"We're sort of watching and waiting," Elwell said.

In 1996, the FAA ruled that Venezuela must tighten its airline safety procedures and downgraded its civil aviation authority, restricting flights because Venezuela allegedly didn't meet international safety standards.

Venezuelan officials say they have improved safety standards since then.

"We have exhausted all avenues with the U.S. aeronautical authority," the National Aviation Institute said in a statement. "We have been forced to reduce the frequency of flights of U.S. airline companies from the U.S."

U.S. aviation authorities have "failed to give Venezuelan airlines the rights they deserve under bilateral agreements," the statement said.

AMR shares fell 58 cents, or 2.3 percent, to $25.25 in midday trading on the
New York Stock Exchange, while Continental shares rose 23 cent to $23.11. Delta is operating under bankruptcy court protection.
http://tinyurl.com/ny9bk

[Meck77]

I don't know but when we have done it in the past to other countries it's usually because there may be a question on safety inspections.


The liberals should be jumping up and down over this one! I just told the story on the other thread about my experience flying out of Brazil a couple weeks ago. There were fisherman on my plane who made it thru security twice with knives!

I seriously doubt Veneuzela has better security capabilities than Brazil.

I don't get it. On one had people are getting all worked up about US ports being sold and on the other hand the same posters get all worked up when the US is concerned about security at foreign airports. Makes no sense to me.

You can't have it both ways.

[Spider]

The liberals should be jumping up and down over this one! I just told the story on the other thread about my experience flying out of Brazil a couple weeks ago. There were fisherman on my plane who made it thru security twice with knives!

I seriously doubt Veneuzela has better security capabilities than Brazil.

I don't get it. On one had people are getting all worked up about US ports being sold and on the other hand the same posters get all worked up when the US is concerned about security at foreign airports. Makes no sense to me.

You can't have it both ways.
you realy think this is about Planes ? it is a 1 upsmanship ........... ...... This is a far cry from terrorism ...........

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The liberals should be jumping up and down over this one! I just told the story on the other thread about my experience flying out of Brazil a couple weeks ago. There were fisherman on my plane who made it thru security twice with knives!

I seriously doubt Veneuzela has better security capabilities than Brazil.

I don't get it. On one had people are getting all worked up about US ports being sold and on the other hand the same posters get all worked up when the US is concerned about security at foreign airports. Makes no sense to me.

You can't have it both ways.
This seems to be more of a pissing match between Bush and Chavez than actual Airline safety.

[TheDave]

The liberals should be...

stopped reading right there.

[TailgateNut]

This seems to be more of a pissing match between Bush and Chavez than actual Airline safety.

Can A$$hole to A$$hole be a Pi$$ing match?

[Meck77]

This seems to be more of a pissing match between Bush and Chavez than actual Airline safety.

Oh there definetly is but I was trying to make the point that airline safety is definetly a concern from those countries also. People are up in arms about the port sale yet we have South American countries allowing people to board airplanes with knives at the same time.

For me personally I wouldn't mind seeing all flights out of those countries stopped until they could get a grip on whos boarding their planes and with what.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Oh there definetly is but I was trying to make the point that airline safety is definetly a concern from those countries also. People are up in arms about the port sale yet we have South American countries allowing people to board airplanes with knives at the same time.

For me personally I wouldn't mind seeing all flights out of those countries stopped until they could get a grip on whos boarding their planes and with what.
We don't control those counties security, we do control our own.

[TailgateNut]

Oh there definetly is but I was trying to make the point that airline safety is definetly a concern from those countries also. People are up in arms about the port sale yet we have South American countries allowing people to board airplanes with knives at the same time.

For me personally I wouldn't mind seeing all flights out of those countries stopped until they could get a grip on whos boarding their planes and with what.

The best way to stop having to be constantly concerned is to stop acting like the Bully in the schoolyard! You never see anyone attacking Switzerland, do you?

[Meck77]

The best way to stop having to be constantly concerned is to stop acting like the Bully in the schoolyard! You never see anyone attacking Switzerland, do you?


No but Switzerland isn't a world power either. Every dominant country in the history of mankind has been challenged. Why would that stop now?

9-11 proved that the United States is vulnerable. Now we have countries like Venuezela stepping up to us.

We could take the Switzerland approach and become isolationists but if we do that what are the consequences? We already have enemies that want to see the US tumble.

[TailgateNut]

No but Switzerland isn't a world power either. Every dominant country in the history of mankind has been challenged. Why would that stop now?

9-11 proved that the United States is vulnerable. Now we have countries like Venuezela stepping up to us.

We could take the Switzerland approach and become isolationists but if we do that what are the consequences? We already have enemies that want to see the US tumble.

How is Venezuela "stepping up to us". They are an independant country and have the right to make decisions without our approval. I'm not defending their actions, but we need to stand back and possibly start looking at some of the criticism which is being tossed at us. We as a nation always expect everyone to listen to our point of view, but we tell the rest of the world to STFU. You, as a business man should know that type of behavior does not build relationships!

[Hogan11]

He's already providing cheap fuel to poor people in NE states.

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Chavez's cheap oil for US poor angers Washington
By Alec Russell in Washington
November 25, 2005

Venezuela's President, Hugo Chavez, has pulled off his greatest public relations coup yet in his campaign to irritate the Bush Administration with a deal to supply cheap fuel to thousands of poor residents of Boston and New York.

To the anger of many in Washington, Citgo Petroleum Corporation, a company controlled by the Venezuelan Government, will supply more than 45 million litres of oil at 40 per cent below market prices.

The deal is one of the most spectacular moves yet in Mr Chavez's attempt to market his "21st-century socialism" using his country's oil wealth.

While it will not change many minds in Washington about his populist and autocratic regime, Caracas hopes it will bolster Mr Chavez's claim as the coming leader of an anti-capitalist Latin America. Mr Chavez, who once dubbed President George Bush a "genocidal madman" and led a huge anti-US protest earlier this month, first proposed his fuel offer in August when oil prices were at a record high after Hurricane Katrina.

Joe Kennedy, the chairman of Citizens Energy, one of the organisations that will distribute the oil, said the deal highlighted the failure of oil companies in the US and the Government to step in to help.

"Our government has made billions of dollars just this year on the royalty payments the oil companies pay to the Government," he said. But when it is a question of poor Americans, "what do we hear from Washington? Sorry boys. There's no money in the till."

To promote his dream, Mr Chavez has offered cheap oil and refineries to his neighbours and pledged financial support for regional development programs.

All the while he has positioned himself as a rival to Washington, accusing the Bush Administration of plotting a coup against him, and predicting the imminent demise of American capitalism.

The US on Wednesday threatened to block a record-breaking arms deal under which Spain would sell ships and aircraft to Venezuela, claiming that the €1.3 billion ($2 billion) arms deal with Mr Chavez could destabilise the region.

The deal, due to be signed in Caracas on Monday, would be a huge boost to Spain's ailing shipyard industry and to the rest of its defence industry.

"Those air or naval platforms include US technology," the US ambassador to Madrid, Eduardo Aguirre, said on Wednesday. "We have not yet decided whether to grant our permission for obtaining that technology."
http://tinyurl.com/7bb53

So that's why gas is a full 2 cents cheaper at Citgo stations than everywhere else.

[ant1999e]

Damn ...... petty bullshít .......... dont we have enough problems with out picking on some other country ?

Yeah, poor UAE. We shouldn't make anymore enemies.

[elsid13]

Who gives a $hit. Other than Michael Jackson and the Bush family, not to many true Americans have ties to or plan vacations in the UAE.


Let me go over this for the third time. UAE sit on one of the seven world choke point for trade. Iran already threaten area and we need UAE to act as counter. Look at your map. It is very important that we have access to UAE for military/political/economic reasons. IT thinking like this that is running wild with folks on capital hill and American public that UAE doesn't mean crap that going serious screw US National Security. I think that many "true" American will give a crap when flow of oil stops.

An article to expand your awareness http://www.hamptonroads.com/pilotonline/special/suez/choke.html

[ak1971]

Let me go over this for the third time. UAE sit on one of the seven world choke point for trade. Iran already threaten area and we need UAE to act as counter. Look at your map. It is very important that we have access to UAE for military/political/economic reasons. IT thinking like this that is running wild with folks on capital hill and American public that UAE doesn't mean crap that going serious screw US National Security. I think that many "true" American will give a crap when flow of oil stops.

An article to expand your awareness http://www.hamptonroads.com/pilotonline/special/suez/choke.html


Good article...Wish as we might, we are a global economy, and we have to give a **** about this.

[Spider]

Yeah, poor UAE. We shouldn't make anymore enemies.Poor UAE ? this is about Chavez ..........

[Spider]

Let me go over this for the third time. UAE sit on one of the seven world choke point for trade. Iran already threaten area and we need UAE to act as counter. Look at your map. It is very important that we have access to UAE for military/political/economic reasons. IT thinking like this that is running wild with folks on capital hill and American public that UAE doesn't mean crap that going serious screw US National Security. I think that many "true" American will give a crap when flow of oil stops.

An article to expand your awareness http://www.hamptonroads.com/pilotonline/special/suez/choke.html
sell out our security to get Iran ........ Lets recap shall we ?
Osama Bin Laden was once our Buddy , he turned on us ..........Saddam was once our Buddy , went to shít pretty fast ,Ruhollah Khomeini was once our buddy also , 1979 that went ot shít ........... Picking up the pattern here ? Now the UAE is our buddy ? for how long ?

[Spider]

Our track record with the Middle east sucks boys and girls , now all of the sudden the UAE is our buddy , it will be different this time ........... Horse piss

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Who gives a $hit. Other than Michael Jackson and the Bush family, not to many true Americans have ties to or plan vacations in the UAE.

Exactly.

http://www.bartcop.com/trust-uae.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

He's already providing cheap fuel to poor people in NE states.

And here is an example of what he's getting for his trouble:

(Can't say you didn't see this coming.)

Investigating Oil Companies'....(er one oil company) ANTITRUST

- New York Daily News

Rep. Joe Barton, the powerful Texas Republican who is chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, launched a bizarre investigation last week into possible antitrust violations by a major oil company.

You will be surprised to learn that Barton, one of the top recipients in Congress of campaign donations from the energy industry, is not probing whether ExxonMobil or Chevron or any of the other oil giants engaged in price gouging when gasoline and heating oil costs skyrocketed the past few years.

No, the good congressman has set his sights on the only oil company that actually dared to lower its prices last year - at least for the poorest Americans.

In a Feb. 15 letter to Citgo, the Houston-based company owned by the Venezuelan government, Barton demanded that company officials produce by tomorrow all records, minutes, logs, e-mails and even desk calendars related to Citgo's novel program of supplying discounted heating oil to low-income communities in the United States.

The Citgo program, which kicked off late last year in Massachusetts and the South Bronx, provides oil at discounts as high as 60% off market price.

Since its inception the program has expanded to low-income communities in Delaware, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Maine and Rhode Island. Local politicians, desperate for ways to reduce energy costs for their constituents, have welcomed it with open arms...


...During the last election cycle, he was second only to fellow Texan Tom DeLay in the amount of oil industry contributions. During two decades in the House, Barton has raked in nearly $2 million in campaign donations from oil and electric companies.

He is such a rabid defender of the energy industry that when a group of scientists issued a damning study last year about the growing danger of global warming, Barton immediately launched one of his shotgun investigations. He fired off letters to each of the scientists and demanded that they list all the sources of their funding and provide him with their research data and notes.

Now Barton is after Citgo, the oil company that dared to do the unthinkable - lower oil prices for poor Americans

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1680

[elsid13]

sell out our security to get Iran ........ Lets recap shall we ?
Osama Bin Laden was once our Buddy , he turned on us ..........Saddam was once our Buddy , went to shít pretty fast ,Ruhollah Khomeini was once our buddy also , 1979 that went ot shít ........... Picking up the pattern here ? Now the UAE is our buddy ? for how long ?


IT all about managing risk, UAE is third world nation that needs to improve it banking and security. Iran is far greater potential of stopping world oil supplies then UAE. In fact UAE will never be threat due to small size. By the way the banking is the way it is because most folks in world don't have stable banking system and need to buy thing in cash or other minerals. And Spider port/border security is joke no matter if the UAE firm does some of the loading/unloading operation or not. Where was all the Congress men/women before this business deal happen???

Like I said before we can not protect the borders and the only way to keep ourselves safe is better Intel, working with other nations and ability to chase the bad guys down. So why piss of an ally when we aren't going to be safer???

[Spider]

IT all about managing risk, UAE is third world nation that needs to improve it banking and security. Iran is far greater potential of stopping world oil supplies then UAE. In fact UAE will never be threat due to small size. By the way the banking is the way it is because most folks in world don't have stable banking system and need to buy thing in cash or other minerals. And Spider port/border security is joke no matter if the UAE firm does some of the loading/unloading operation or not. Where was all the Congress men/women before this business deal happen???

Like I said before we can not protect the borders and the only way to keep ourselves safe is better Intel, working with other nations and ability to chase the bad guys down. So why piss of an ally when we aren't going to be safer???
Osama Bin Laden was pretty small also , my point is we cant work with these people , from the Shaw , Saddam , House of Saud etc ........... all we are doing is giving the Jihad a easy door ...........Look go look at the Report on the UAE , thayt says it all, they are not working with us , never have been ....

[ak1971]

sell out our security to get Iran ........ Lets recap shall we ?
Osama Bin Laden was once our Buddy , he turned on us ..........Saddam was once our Buddy , went to shít pretty fast ,Ruhollah Khomeini was once our buddy also , 1979 that went ot shít ........... Picking up the pattern here ? Now the UAE is our buddy ? for how long ?


We were once at war with Japan (remember that big bomb we dropped on them?) we were once at war with Germany (remember firebombing) Alliances change.

[Spider]

We were once at war with Japan (remember that big bomb we dropped on them?) we were once at war with Germany (remember firebombing) Alliances change.
exactly they change ........ But we also kept close watch and Japan and germany ........... more so with germany , but Germans and the Japs were not Religiously driven like muslims are .................