The two DE I hope Dever gets on Draft day

[longtimer]

I think these two could offer the best value based on where they are projected to go.

Victor Adeyanju
Height: 6-4 | Weight: 275 | 40-Time: 4.61

Official Bio

Strengths:
Has excellent size and the frame to get even bigger...A tremendous natural athlete...Speed and quickness are outstanding...Has good range and pursues well...Has a great motor...Puts in his time in the weight room...A hard worker with top intangibles who wants to be the best...Tough and durable with four-years of starting experience...Still has a ton of upside and his best football is still to come.

Weaknesses:
Still very raw and needs some development...Needs to work on his technique and will play too high at times...Must develop additional pass rush moves...Could do a better job against the run...Might be a bit of a workout warrior...Was not super productive throughout his career...Needs to bulk up and put on some weight.

Notes:
Spent much of his childhood living in Nigeria...Has all the physical tools you look for but is just a little rough around the edges...Could become a top pro defensive end with the right coaching...You could see a team fall in love with his potential.


Ray Edwards
Height: 6-6 | Weight: 270 | 40-Time: 4.74

Official Bio

Strengths:
Has ideal size for the position with long arms and the frame to get even bigger...Very athletic...An excellent natural pass rusher...Has good speed and quickness...Agile player who changes direction well and does a good job of staying on his feet...Shows some power and can hold his own at the point and versus the run...Explosive and has shown flashes of brilliance...Still has a lot of upside.

Weaknesses:
Needs to bulk up a bit and get stronger...Is still too inconsistent...Has a spotty motor and may lack a fire in his belly...Runs himself out of plays at times...Doesn't have great instincts...Did not have a very good junior campaign and was even benched at one point...Relied too heavily on his pure athleticism in college...A bit of an underachiever who doesn't always play up to his ability...Character concerns?

Notes:
Entered the draft early even though he was much better in 2004 than he was in 2005...A bit of a boom or bust prospect...Has all the physical tools and potential to develop into a great pro defensive end...If he can revert to the form he showed as a sophomore some team could be able to steal him at a bargain point in the draft.





With these two we could use are first round picks on other areas, Like OL.

[Mediator12]

DENVER tried the draft DL projects the last four years and got Heyward out of nine tries. I do NOT want two more projects. One project like Edwards would be fine if he gets to round three and Comp picks. DEN needs two DL on day one and I want one First on DL period. Enough screwing around.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

DENVER tried the draft DL projects the last four years and got Heyward out of nine tries. I do NOT want two more projects. One project like Edwards would be fine if he gets to round three and Comp picks. DEN needs two DL on day one and I want one First on DL period. Enough screwing around.

Amen Brother.

Looking forward to your reports Med.

[SoCalBronco]

If we can come away with Kiwi/Hali at DE and Bunkley at DT after the first round, i wont be able to stand up in public for days.

:)

[Mediator12]

If we can come away with Kiwi/Hali at DE and Bunkley at DT after the first round, i wont be able to stand up in public for days.

:)

Me neither. I am trying to do all my finals before the Draft this year too!

[Mediator12]

Dude I am so wired right now! I love the Combine!!!

[longtimer]

DENVER tried the draft DL projects the last four years and got Heyward out of nine tries. I do NOT want two more projects. One project like Edwards would be fine if he gets to round three and Comp picks. DEN needs two DL on day one and I want one First on DL period. Enough screwing around.
I agree as long as its a JUMBO SIZED Stud DT in the first to pair with Warren.
That alone would help our DE get to the QB on a regular basis.

I would still want to use our third round picks on these TWO DE just like last year with CB we hit on two and we all know Denvers track record with picking CB in the draft.

Victor Adeyanju 275LB and Ray Edwards 270LB are BIGGER and faster than either haili or kiwi.so I rather take a shot at a stud DT and A stud O.T. in the first round because it is sounding like Lepisis is heading towards FA. Kubes would like nothing better than to see Lepsis hit the FA market. Denver is optimistic about getting him back but I read that the talks are not as far along as Denver makes it sound.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Dude I am so wired right now! I love the Combine!!!
Stay calm Mediator. We are depending on you for some great reports. When the combine is over, we need you to give us the real word.

Have fun.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I agree as long as its a JUMBO SIZED Stud DT in the first to pair with Warren.
That alone would help our DE get to the QB on a regular basis.

I would still want to use our third round picks on these TWO DE just like last year with CB we hit on two and we all know Denvers track record with picking CB in the draft.

Victor Adeyanju 275LB and Ray Edwards 270LB are BIGGER and faster than either haili or kiwi.so I rather take a shot at a stud DT and A stud O.T. in the first round because it is sounding like Lepisis is heading towards FA. Kubes would like nothing better than to see Lepsis hit the FA market. Denver is optimistic about getting him back but I read that the talks are not as far along as Denver makes it sound.

With Warren, you don't need another jumbo, you need someone who can provide some rush. Also, I am interested in Anderson the DE from Alabama for rounds 3/4. A little light, but he had a hell of a year on one of the best defenses in the country.

[longtimer]

With Warren, you don't need another jumbo, you need someone who can provide some rush. Also, I am interested in Anderson the DE from Alabama for rounds 3/4. A little light, but he had a hell of a year on one of the best defenses in the country.
I disagree you do need a jumbo sized DT with warren one who can get to the QB. then both warren and the NEW DT would create match up issues for an OL. Who would you Double team on the DL then.

I think ROD Wright fit this bill great size and can rush the QB.

[Mediator12]

Rod wright is not a good pass rusher longtimer. Bunkley was consistently doubled at FSU and made Wimbley's job much easier. Read this:

His average of 1.92 stops for losses per game led the nation's defensive tackles and ranked third overall. His 25 stops for losses of 90 yards were the second-best season total in the NCAA Division 1-A ranks in 2005 (behind the 26.5 by Dan Bazuin of Central Michigan) and set a school single-season record. He registered nine sacks with fifteen quarterback pressures and recorded 66 tackles (39 solos). He also recovered two fumbles and caused another.

He uses his hands efficiently and can dominate vs. isolated blockers. He explodes into the line upon contact and has the leg drive to push offensive linemen into the quarterback. He has the upper body power to penetrate and defeat double teams. He shows good quickness coming off the edge of the offensive guard and the in-line burst to slip through the gaps. It is very rare to see him get pushed and driven out of the rush lanes due to his balance, anchor and strong lower frame.

Dude is the Perfect undertackle to pair with a Gerrard Warren. It would alos free up the DE's more to get after the edges.

[SoCalBronco]

Rod wright is not a good pass rusher longtimer. Bunkley was consistently doubled at FSU and made Wimbley's job much easier. Read this:

His average of 1.92 stops for losses per game led the nation's defensive tackles and ranked third overall. His 25 stops for losses of 90 yards were the second-best season total in the NCAA Division 1-A ranks in 2005 (behind the 26.5 by Dan Bazuin of Central Michigan) and set a school single-season record. He registered nine sacks with fifteen quarterback pressures and recorded 66 tackles (39 solos). He also recovered two fumbles and caused another.

He uses his hands efficiently and can dominate vs. isolated blockers. He explodes into the line upon contact and has the leg drive to push offensive linemen into the quarterback. He has the upper body power to penetrate and defeat double teams. He shows good quickness coming off the edge of the offensive guard and the in-line burst to slip through the gaps. It is very rare to see him get pushed and driven out of the rush lanes due to his balance, anchor and strong lower frame.

Dude is the Perfect undertackle to pair with a Gerrard Warren. It would alos free up the DE's more to get after the edges.

And watch, we'll prolly pass on him at 22 and 29. I can just feel it.

[Mediator12]

And watch, we'll prolly pass on him at 22 and 29. I can just feel it.

Dude, it's an even year draft :charge:

No BAD KARMA :hitself:

[Clockwork Orange]

Dude, it's an even year draft :charge:

No BAD KARMA :hitself:

I was just about to post the same thing.

No pessimism SoCal, it's gonna be a good year at the draft. :thumbs:

[Mediator12]

Did I happen to mention it is an even year draft with 4-6 first day picks ;D

I really need sleep, but I am still way too keyed up!

[Clockwork Orange]

Did I happen to mention it is an even year draft with 4-6 first day picks ;D

No kidding. Last year was a fairly weak draft class, the Broncos had no 1st rounder and they still did pretty well......and it was an odd year.

We're loaded this year with a deep class coming out. There is much to be excited about.:strong:

[Mediator12]

I think these two could offer the best value based on where they are projected to go.

Victor Adeyanju
Height: 6-4 | Weight: 275 | 40-Time: 4.61

Official Bio

Strengths:
Has excellent size and the frame to get even bigger...A tremendous natural athlete...Speed and quickness are outstanding...Has good range and pursues well...Has a great motor...Puts in his time in the weight room...A hard worker with top intangibles who wants to be the best...Tough and durable with four-years of starting experience...Still has a ton of upside and his best football is still to come.

Weaknesses:
Still very raw and needs some development...Needs to work on his technique and will play too high at times...Must develop additional pass rush moves...Could do a better job against the run...Might be a bit of a workout warrior...Was not super productive throughout his career...Needs to bulk up and put on some weight.

Notes:
Spent much of his childhood living in Nigeria...Has all the physical tools you look for but is just a little rough around the edges...Could become a top pro defensive end with the right coaching...You could see a team fall in love with his potential.


Ray Edwards
Height: 6-6 | Weight: 270 | 40-Time: 4.74

Official Bio

Strengths:
Has ideal size for the position with long arms and the frame to get even bigger...Very athletic...An excellent natural pass rusher...Has good speed and quickness...Agile player who changes direction well and does a good job of staying on his feet...Shows some power and can hold his own at the point and versus the run...Explosive and has shown flashes of brilliance...Still has a lot of upside.

Weaknesses:
Needs to bulk up a bit and get stronger...Is still too inconsistent...Has a spotty motor and may lack a fire in his belly...Runs himself out of plays at times...Doesn't have great instincts...Did not have a very good junior campaign and was even benched at one point...Relied too heavily on his pure athleticism in college...A bit of an underachiever who doesn't always play up to his ability...Character concerns?

Notes:
Entered the draft early even though he was much better in 2004 than he was in 2005...A bit of a boom or bust prospect...Has all the physical tools and potential to develop into a great pro defensive end...If he can revert to the form he showed as a sophomore some team could be able to steal him at a bargain point in the draft.





With these two we could use are first round picks on other areas, Like OL.


BTW, I have seen both of these Hoosiers play. I never even noticed Adeyanju make a single play @ IU. That being said he comes from the same pipeline of second generation African DL that produced Adewale Ogunleye @ IU and Osi Umenyiora @ Troy. He may be good down the road as they really developed in three years.

Edwards was benched halfway through the season for poor attitude and effort. Declared for the draft due to differences with the coaching staff. Definitely has the measurables, but I dislike the immaturity.

[Broncoman13]

With Warren, you don't need another jumbo, you need someone who can provide some rush. Also, I am interested in Anderson the DE from Alabama for rounds 3/4. A little light, but he had a hell of a year on one of the best defenses in the country.

That's why Bunk would fit so well.

Does anybody remember what they were saying about Trevor Pryce before he was drafted? Was he similar to Rod Wright in terms of consistency on the field? I can't remember and I wasn't too into prospects back then.

[Broncoman13]

Speaking of a "pitch the tent" draft.... How would you all like Ko Simpson @22, Manny Lawson @29, and Rod Wright @61??? Talk about not standing up in public for days and having your desk wobble in front of you!!!

I know several aren't impressed with Manny Lawson b/c of his size. BG thinks his production is b/c of Mario Williams, but I think it's more mutal than anything. Lawson is a physical FREAK! I read a blog from some NC State site that listed his career best 40 at 4.41. He has a 44'' vert. They also say that you can expect him to throw up 225 18 or more times. Not great strength, but for 240 it's pretty good. I'm interested to see how his melon test goes. If he scores well on the WL I bet he'll be on our Playdar.

[SpringStein]

Doesn't anyone care about the offense?! We are already stacked with first rounders on the D and a total of 2 first rounders on the O. I hope and expect to get at least one weapon to help Jake out among the first 3 picks.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Doesn't anyone care about the offense?! We are already stacked with first rounders on the D and a total of 2 first rounders on the O. I hope and expect to get at least one weapon to help Jake out among the first 3 picks.

I think it is two first day DL and most of the rest of the draft devoted to offense.

[Drek]

Doesn't anyone care about the offense?! We are already stacked with first rounders on the D and a total of 2 first rounders on the O. I hope and expect to get at least one weapon to help Jake out among the first 3 picks.
When you look at the skill position players this draft is much weaker offensively than defensively. Nice TE and RB pools, some good QBs, below average WR selection. We've already got a big money TE as well as an athletic project, so unless Putz gets cut I doubt we pick a TE. We've already got two RBs who did great last year, plus we're looking to bring Dayne back and have a talented but oft injured Cedric Cobbs on the PS. Jake is the QB, maybe get some depth there but thats all. So we're left only able to make a big '06 impact at the WR position, the weakest position in this draft. Not really worth it unless we get a slider in round 2 or 3 (Siniorice Moss/Maurice Stovall in those respective round for example).

We've got a treasure trove of picks, lets just build a strong core in this deep draft, then in future years we'll blow our load on impact individuals.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Don't forget this might be the best draft ever for the OL

[Drek]

Don't forget this might be the best draft ever for the OL
Thats why I stated skill position players. It is a great OL draft, but I get the feeling that many are looking at the surface hype of this draft without understanding how it really plays out. Its GREAT in the trenches and across the defensive side of the ball. Its got depth at most offensive positions. However, it has a major weakness at the WR position and really, its weak in terms of game changing offensive players in general. Those game changing offensive players are going to go really early too, making it nearly impossible for us to get an offensive weapon at a value position in the draft.

[Mediator12]

Doesn't anyone care about the offense?! We are already stacked with first rounders on the D and a total of 2 first rounders on the O. I hope and expect to get at least one weapon to help Jake out among the first 3 picks.

Selection spots do not make a player. However, there are not that many lower round DL who are probowlers. Denver has spent more project picks on DL than any other position the last five years with only Heyward making it.

The offense has turned TE's into starting LT's, lower round RB's into 1,000 guys, an undrafted WR to the probowl, WR's into TE's, and continually found good value at all the skill positions outside of QB. So they imported a QB from ARI.

The draft is deep this year, but as drek has already so well stated it is line and Defense heavy. Not much value at all on Offense skill positions except TE.

[elsid13]

While the draft does appear be oriented toward defense and line play, I would not be surprised if one of the lesser know Running backs or WR because very good player. It really about finding the player who is better suited for playing the NFL game vs college game.

[Mediator12]

True elsid. But The WR's dropped a lot of passes in this crop. We have two guys who struggle with that already ;D Why draft what you already have?

RB's are value in this system as long as they are NOT Maurice Clarett (Gratuitous Socal slam :peace: )

[fontaine]

True elsid. But The WR's dropped a lot of passes in this crop. We have two guys who struggle with that already ;D Why draft what you already have?

RB's are value in this system as long as they are NOT Maurice Clarett (Gratuitous Socal slam :peace: )

Exactly, with our tack record of drafting WRs the last thing we need to do is waste a first day pick in a weak WR class that will throw up long range prospects.

We already have two WRs that are just about there in Lelie and Watts and I'd like to see what dinger can do with these guys as well as David Terrell who's got the size/speed and will benefit from an offseason of full workouts and getting to know the playbook.

DL/S/OL/QB in the first day please.

[elsid13]

True elsid. But The WR's dropped a lot of passes in this crop. We have two guys who struggle with that already ;D Why draft what you already have?



Because Shanahan draft at a position until he hits gold. See are corners for an example. ;D

[Rascal]

Ugh...

in related news apparently the Jags and Bucs are talking about a trade to send Simeon Rice to the Jags. Can you imagine that defensive line? HOLY ****!!!

Also expect the Colts not to pick a RB in FA but instead address it through the draft through Brian Calhoun or Laurence Moreny.

Apparently D'Brick has put on more weight coming in at an impressive 312 pounds (14 pounds more then what he weighed at the senior bowl). He will be a top 4 pick.

The Vikings are close to an agreement with K Robinson for a four year deal with 10 million guaranteed.

There are rumors floating out of Miami that they are expecting Minnesota to RELEASE Culpepper instead of paying him the 6 million roster bonus due March 17th. The Dolphins have refused to trade for him at this point.

Panthers placed the transition tag on Foster, leaving some to believe that his actually makes their chances of getting Alexander higher.

Bucs appear that they will not be cutting DT McFarland as originally suggested as teh cap savings would be minimal (if cut would result in 6 million of dead money and still have to pay to fill the void).

Bucs also are trying to work out a deal to bring back Griese for one more season.

Cardinals have stated that they are not interested in any of the big-name free agents eliminating them from the Alexander and Edge sweapstakes.

Isaac Bruce is expected to sign a contract extension reducing his cap figure of 10 million.

Rams DT Pickett and S Archuleta will hit the market as the Rams will not use the franchise tag this year (first time in four years) unless an agreement is reached by March 3. There have been no indications that the team has enganged in negotiations with either player. The Rams will be about 10 million under the cap after their release.

Michael Vick has been approached by the Vikings to restructure despite him lashing out again at his OC Greg Knapp.

Ealges are taking an interest in WR Randle El as are the Chicago Bears.

PK Vinatieri was not hit with the franchise tag meaning Vinatieri will have the opportunity to test the market.

Dolphins CB Sam Madison is backing off earlier comments that he would not take a pay cut to stay with the Dolphins.

Bengals are not expected to resign TE Schobel.

Bengals WR T Perry said recently that he has heard from the coaching staff that he may be moved to strong safety.

[SpringStein]

I'm not sure that I agree that this is a great year for DL. At DT you have:
Ngata, then a big drop to the likes of
Bunkley, Watson, Wroten
then another drop to
Wright, Harris, Mahelona

At DE, the elite is Super Mario and then a drop to
Hali and Kiwanuka and then to
Lawson, Wimbley, Tapp, Dumervil, Edwards

Now compare the depth at TE:
Elite - Vernon Davis, then slight drop to
Lewis, Pope, drop to
Byrd, drop to
Fasano, Klopfenstein, Day, TJ Williams, Thomas

It's just my opinion, but that is a much stronger group at the lowest level of the TE's than either the lower levels of the DT's or DE's.

[Play2win]

I'm not sure that I agree that this is a great year for DL. At DT you have:
Ngata, then a big drop to the likes of
Bunkley, Watson, Wroten
then another drop to
Wright, Harris, Mahelona

At DE, the elite is Super Mario and then a drop to
Hali and Kiwanuka and then to
Lawson, Wimbley, Tapp, Dumervil, Edwards

Now compare the depth at TE:
Elite - Vernon Davis, then slight drop to
Lewis, Pope, drop to
Byrd, drop to
Fasano, Klopfenstein, Day, TJ Williams, Thomas

It's just my opinion, but that is a much stronger group at the lowest level of the TE's than either the lower levels of the DT's or DE's.

I would definitely say they are more NFL-READY...

[Crushaholic]

Doesn't anyone care about the offense?! We are already stacked with first rounders on the D and a total of 2 first rounders on the O. I hope and expect to get at least one weapon to help Jake out among the first 3 picks.

I've come around to that line of thinking. We took care of defense last year. Let's shore up the offense this year...

[27atwater]

The DT I want is the guy from Stanfrod and he can be had later on. I think he's gonna be a gem.

[Dean]

The DT I want is the guy from Stanfrod and he can be had later on. I think he's gonna be a gem.

Oshinowo put up either 37 or 38 reps at 225 pounds. The boy is STRONG. Re-signing Warren isn't in the bag by any means, yet. I think Oshinowo could be an excellent prospect for next year to collapse the pocket.8')

[NFLBRONCO]

Doesn't anyone care about the offense?! We are already stacked with first rounders on the D and a total of 2 first rounders on the O. I hope and expect to get at least one weapon to help Jake out among the first 3 picks.

What are you wanting a TE WR OT RB in round 1? I wouldn't cry if we took 2 offensive weapons early. We would be dumb not to draft a G and OT in this draft. Whether most of us agree or not it will be tough for Denver to pass on a TE early. As of now I'd expect 1. DE 2. RB 3. TE at 22 and 1.TE 2. DT 3. S at 29.

[longtimer]

Here is another DE I would like to in the latter rounds.

Jason Hatcher
Height: 6-6 | Weight: 285 | 40-Time: 4.75

Official Bio

Strengths:
Has outstanding size and a huge frame that he can still bulk up further...Athletic with good speed for his size...Intense and has a great motor...Physical...Can penetrate and knows how to get after the quarterback...Was very productive.

Weaknesses:
Did not play against a high level of competition...Technique needs work and he plays too high at times...Might be a bit of a 'tweener...Got by on his talent because he was so much better than the competition...Raw and will need to be developed.

[Dean]

If we can re-sign Warren try to get Bunkley. With 44 reps at 225 and his quickness, he and Warren could be huge.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

The reps mean almost nothing. If they did Mike Malmula would be an all pro,

[longtimer]

The reps mean almost nothing. If they did Mike Malmula would be an all pro,


Good point!!!!!!!!!