The UAE owns an Airline company

[shakenbake]

Yep and they fly to the U.S. How crazy is this. A country that is known to be friendly to terrorist owns a Airline and operates terminals here in the US. How easy would it be for them to let a terrorist on to thier planes. And then crash it into a building here in the US. Or smuggle a bomb into the country. This has got to stop !!!!


www.emirates.com

[Garcia Bronco]

Lol

[alkemical]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ICTS.html

All 9/11 Airports Serviced by
One Israeli Owned Company
It's one of those times when an innocuous comment in an unrelated news report triggers a revelation.
In the article at http://afrocubaweb.com/news/israelispying.htm there is the following paragraph:

To make the situation worse, a private security company called ICTS, owned by an Israeli, Ezra Harel, and registered in the Netherlands, was employed at Charles de Gaulle airport to screen passengers boarding US planes. Most of its personnel are ex-Shin Bet officers. The company covers security at Boston’s Logan airport, where the American Airlines plane came down after flight attendants and passengers overpowered Reid.

The point of the article was that ICTS knew shoe bomber Richard Reid was dangerous, but allowed him on board a flight from Tel Aviv to Paris. Maybe they did and maybe they didn't. But the idea that an Israeli owned company had inside access to the airport used to launch an abortive terror attack brought to mind the strange message Odigo Systems, another Israeli owned company with offices near the World Trade Towers, received that warned of the impending attacks before the hijacked planes had even left the ground.

So, I went back to another story that had surfaced briefly, reported at www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26626 about how at least one hijacker had smuggled a GUN aboard one of the hijacked planes. Even prior to 9-11, getting a gun on board a passenger plane represented a serious lapse of security. I wondered why this story of a gun was being concealed behind talk of box cutters and screwdrivers.

Then I went back to the first article and its mention that ICTS handled security at Logan International Airport, from which two of the 9-11 hijacked planes had departed.

Sure enough, a visit to ICTS' own web site at http://www.icts-int.com/ confirms that ICTS is in fact an Israeli owned company, and that it sells services to every airport from which the hijacked planes operated, including security, sometimes through wholly owned subsidiaries like Huntleigh USA Corporation.

It has been suggested that the incredible feat of hijacking four aircraft without a single arrest at the gate would require the resources of a nation-state. This is even more true with the revelation that at least one gun had managed to be aboard a hijacked plane. One company had automatic inside access to all of the airports from which hijacked planes departed on 9-11, and to the airports used by Richard Reid, the shoe bomber. An Israeli company. One that Mossad agents could easily find employment with without the management knowing who they were or what their purpose really was.

But one thing is clear. By virtue of the Odigo warning, someone knew enough about the planned attacks to warn Odigo before the planes had even departed the airport gates, yet they did not call the Israeli security company at the airports which could have stopped the flights from leaving.

[shakenbake]

Not only do they do passanger planes they also ship cargo. Thats right folks they ship cargo right here to the USA. You can have something sent from Dubai to New York. When will this stop !!!!!

http://www.skycargo.com/

[DBruleU]

:rofl:

[Hotrod]

Bush should be impeached for this outrage ;D

[shakenbake]

I just looked at the JFK airport web site and emirates runs four arrival and four departure terminals. Thats twice as many cargo terminals they will control in Baltimore. Come on folks where is the outrage !!!

[Garcia Bronco]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=30

Bake...I put your stuff on the CP.

[24champ]

Not only do they do passanger planes they also ship cargo. Thats right folks they ship cargo right here to the USA. You can have something sent from Dubai to New York. When will this stop !!!!!

http://www.skycargo.com/
:spit:

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Yep and they fly to the U.S. How crazy is this. A country that is known to be friendly to terrorist owns a Airline and operates terminals here in the US. How easy would it be for them to let a terrorist on to thier planes. And then crash it into a building here in the US. Or smuggle a bomb into the country. This has got to stop !!!!


www.emirates.com

Certainly not defending UAE, but there are long standing treaties in place that allow commercial air and sea traffic between the two countries as there are with almost every other country in the world. Under most of these type treaties and international law, unprovoked suspension of landing rights is considered an act of war. US carriers also operate flights into the UAE and US ships use their ports(remember we buy oil from them). We just can't say "we don't like you, don't land your planes here."

[Meck77]

Yep and they fly to the U.S. How crazy is this. A country that is known to be friendly to terrorist owns a Airline and operates terminals here in the US. How easy would it be for them to let a terrorist on to thier planes. And then crash it into a building here in the US. Or smuggle a bomb into the country. This has got to stop !!!!


www.emirates.com


Have any of you flown out of a foreign country lately? It's a joke. You don't need to own an airline to get a terrorist onboard.

I was just in Brazil a couple weeks ago. We all went thru a "security check". There were a bunch of fisherman from Texas that were taking the same flight home. These guys has all sorts of crap that shouldn't have made it thru screening. Infact they were all joking about it after they made it thru. They had a bunch of sharp objects. Huge fish hooks! One guy was even laughing that they didn't find his knife! What is worse is the airport was getting really backed up and the terminal was filling up. They made us leave the terminal and go back out passed the security gate. We had to go thru security again. Same result everyone got back in with things that shouldn't have been on the plane.

Infact when I got on the plane one of the arm rests of one of the seats came flying down the floor when we took off. It was about a foot long piece of sharp metal. I quickly handed it off to one of the crew members of the plane. They grabbed it and quickly hid it in their cart so nobody else could see what had happened.

International flight security is a joke.

[Garcia Bronco]

Have any of you flown out of a foreign country lately? It's a joke. You don't need to own an airline to get a terrorist onboard.

I was just in Brazil a couple weeks ago. We all went thru a "security check". There were a bunch of fisherman from Texas that were taking the same flight home. These guys has all sorts of crap that shouldn't have made it thru screening. Infact they were all joking about it after they made it thru. They had a bunch of sharp objects. Huge fish hooks! One guy was even laughing that they didn't find his knife! What is worse is the airport was getting really backed up and the terminal was filling up. They made us leave the terminal and go back out passed the security gate. We had to go thru security again. Same result everyone got back in with things that shouldn't have been on the plane.

Infact when I got on the plane one of the arm rests of one of the seats came flying down the floor when we took off. It was about a foot long piece of sharp metal. I quickly handed it off to one of the crew members of the plane. They grabbed it and quickly hid it in their cart so nobody else could see what had happened.

International flight security is a joke.
Bake was being sarcastic

[Meck77]

Bake was being sarcastic


Still doesn't dismiss the fact that people on my plane had dangerous weapons on them!

There are thousands of ways the US could get hit with another terrorist attack and it's possible you or I are living within 3 blocks of someone planning on doing it.

That is the harsh reality of it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Certainly not defending UAE, but there are long standing treaties in place that allow commercial air and sea traffic between the two countries as there are with almost every other country in the world. Under most of these type treaties and international law, unprovoked suspension of landing rights is considered an act of war. US carriers also operate flights into the UAE and US ships use their ports(remember we buy oil from them). We just can't say "we don't like you, don't land your planes here."

We import little oil from the UAE overall, in fact, we have a trade surplus with them.

The main air treaty was negotiated in 1944 and incredibly, hasn't been updated to reflect the new present day terror age we live in.

[Garcia Bronco]

Still doesn't dismiss the fact that people on my plane had dangerous weapons on them!

There are thousands of ways the US could get hit with another terrorist attack and it's possible you or I are living within 3 blocks of someone planning on doing it.

That is the harsh reality of it.
You are 100 percent correct

[Garcia Bronco]

We import little oil from the UAE overall, in fact, we have a trade surplus with them.

The main air treaty was negotiated in 1944 and incredibly, hasn't been updated to reflect the new present day terror age we live in.

LOL...Now look at who's trying to peddle the fear....

[Hotrod]

You are 100 percent correct

Well then I guess we might as well just sit on our arses and wait for the next one to hit since we cant stop it anyway. :D

[alkemical]

that's where i'm at hotrod.

I'm not scared of any terrorist attack. Not one bit, not at all. I live near an infamous nuke plant as well -

I know this sounds really bad to most of you...

but i fear our gov't more than terrorists.

[shakenbake]

Still doesn't dismiss the fact that people on my plane had dangerous weapons on them!

There are thousands of ways the US could get hit with another terrorist attack and it's possible you or I are living within 3 blocks of someone planning on doing it.

That is the harsh reality of it.

I completly agree meck. I just wanted to show a little illistration about how irrational people are being over this port issue. I think both relate to each other pretty well and yet here you have a national out cry over one and not the other. The fact is if these guys or guys working for these guys wanted to get something into the U.S. they have the resources to do so for years. I still say that they would be even more carfull in thier dealings with us because they are a muslim country and the min. something happed at one of thier ports or if it was found out something came through one of thier ports that would be the end of thier power.

[Meck77]

I still say that they would be even more carfull in thier dealings with us because they are a muslim country and the min. something happed at one of thier ports or if it was found out something came through one of thier ports that would be the end of thier power.


Not to mention a $6,800,000,000 investment.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

We import little oil from the UAE overall, in fact, we have a trade surplus with them.

The main air treaty was negotiated in 1944 and incredibly, hasn't been updated to reflect the new present day terror age we live in.

I had a job offer to go there in the mid 70's for a large shipping firm. I know that they ship considerable oil from their ports but I am not sure what percentage of that comes to the US these days. There are pipelines that come into that port form other countries in that area so US could be getting oil from other coutries that is shipped through the UAE port. The port facility was new at the time and it was used as a major port for the transhipment of goods throughout Western Africa. Interestingly enough, one of the largest volume commodities to come through the port was booze. I was told that the port and the many of the businesses relating to the port including housing, food, etc were fenced off from the rest of the country. Inside the fence it was basically western rules, outside the fence it was Muslim rules. I was in a perfect personal situation to take that adventure at the time, but turned it down. Our relationship was much different then and it would have been quite an adventure.

[shakenbake]

Not to mention a $6,800,000,000 investment.

yea because who wouldn't invest 6.8 billion dollars just so they can plan a terrorist attack.
But it goes even further than that. Thats just the buyout of the old company. Who knows what the total value of DP World is once this buyout is complete. Not to mention they are essintally owned by the Government of the UAE. Do you really think that they are willing to risk their power as a country to plan a terrorist attack against us. The back lash would be amazing if something happed at one of their ports. You dont think they consider that when they make deals like this, and are therefore even more concerned about it that we may even be. The more and more I think about this the funnier I find the out cry over it.


I seem to notice a lack of outcry about the airline ! Come on Bush bashers lets hear it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I had a job offer to go there in the mid 70's for a large shipping firm. I know that they ship considerable oil from their ports but I am not sure what percentage of that comes to the US these days. There are pipelines that come into that port form other countries in that area so US could be getting oil from other coutries that is shipped through the UAE port. The port facility was new at the time and it was used as a major port for the transhipment of goods throughout Western Africa. Interestingly enough, one of the largest volume commodities to come through the port was booze. I was told that the port and the many of the businesses relating to the port including housing, food, etc were fenced off from the rest of the country. Inside the fence it was basically western rules, outside the fence it was Muslim rules. I was in a perfect personal situation to take that adventure at the time, but turned it down. Our relationship was much different then and it would have been quite an adventure.

That's the Free Trade Zone I think. I know Boilermakers who worked over there, Saudi and Turkey in the 70s and 80s building their power plants and oil refineries. Heard some pretty wild stories on the sh*t that was happening over in those countries while they were there.

I was offered jobs in Saudi and China (for what was truckloads of money then) but ended up finally declining after thinking it over for a couple months. I thought if I went it would probably destroy my marriage so I stayed home (8 years later we were divorced so that worked out well).

[Bronco_Beerslug]

yea because who wouldn't invest 6.8 billion dollars just so they can plan a terrorist attack.
But it goes even further than that. Thats just the buyout of the old company. Who knows what the total value of DP World is once this buyout is complete. Not to mention they are essintally owned by the Government of the UAE. Do you really think that they are willing to risk their power as a country to plan a terrorist attack against us. The back lash would be amazing if something happed at one of their ports. You dont think they consider that when they make deals like this, and are therefore even more concerned about it that we may even be. The more and more I think about this the funnier I find the out cry over it.

I seem to notice a lack of outcry about the airline ! Come on Bush bashers lets hear it.

It's not something happening at a port but something coming through one. Anytime people are involved there is a probabilty for error, oversight, criminal activity, etc...
Consider that the following is what a Port Authority company is responsible for and it would open more doors for the very thing we fear happening.

---------------------------------------------------------
The Dubai Ports World Deal - Through a Coast Guard Veteran's Eyes

The "Port Service Company" receives, manifests, loads, offloads, and transfers the containers. Normally, this is monitored for drugs -- but there are "holes." The "Port Service Company" has the "expertise" (in a "perverse kind of way") to know where the holes are.

Second, the "Port Service Company" frequently prepares the manifest. This is the legal document ennumerating what the ship is carrying, shipper, recipient, port on loaded, port to be off loaded. This guides (or misguides) the inspection.

Third, frequently the "Port Service Company" performs "ship chandlering" - that's the sale of consumables and low level spare parts. This is not inventoried or manifested.

Fourth, merchant mariners' documents. It is fairly easy to enter a country on "Merchant Mariner's Documents" (functions like a mini-passport). No visa requirements if you stay within some distance of the port. This is popular with drug dealers - and could be a route for terrorists. In many countries a "Port Service Company" can issue "documents" (note - these are not Master, Mate, Pilot, Engineer, Radio Officer licenses or "Competency Documents") which are good enough to get you off of the ship while it's in port.

Historically - in my active duty days - we were looking for drug smugglers. But these techniques could work with terrorists and dirty bombs.

And Dubai is "A" cross roads of the world.
http://tinyurl.com/ek6vp

[shakenbake]

It's not something happening at a port but something coming through one. Anytime people are involved there is a probabilty for error, oversight, criminal activity, etc...
Consider that the following is what a Port Authority company is responsible for and it would open more doors for the very thing we fear happening.

---------------------------------------------------------
The Dubai Ports World Deal - Through a Coast Guard Veteran's Eyes

The "Port Service Company" receives, manifests, loads, offloads, and transfers the containers. Normally, this is monitored for drugs -- but there are "holes." The "Port Service Company" has the "expertise" (in a "perverse kind of way") to know where the holes are.

Second, the "Port Service Company" frequently prepares the manifest. This is the legal document ennumerating what the ship is carrying, shipper, recipient, port on loaded, port to be off loaded. This guides (or misguides) the inspection.

Third, frequently the "Port Service Company" performs "ship chandlering" - that's the sale of consumables and low level spare parts. This is not inventoried or manifested.

Fourth, merchant mariners' documents. It is fairly easy to enter a country on "Merchant Mariner's Documents" (functions like a mini-passport). No visa requirements if you stay within some distance of the port. This is popular with drug dealers - and could be a route for terrorists. In many countries a "Port Service Company" can issue "documents" (note - these are not Master, Mate, Pilot, Engineer, Radio Officer licenses or "Competency Documents") which are good enough to get you off of the ship while it's in port.

Historically - in my active duty days - we were looking for drug smugglers. But these techniques could work with terrorists and dirty bombs.

And Dubai is "A" cross roads of the world.
http://tinyurl.com/ek6vp

I completly understand his view and mantian given thier geographic location and being a company owned by a muslim government they would be even more concerned about making sure something didn't come through one of thier managed terminals. If something did come through one of thier terminals and was traced back to them can you imagine the back lash against thier country. There would be sanctions, any other country that has a port managed by them would probably stop. They would basically lose any power they have as a country now. The econmic impact would be greater than just the loss of this company they would lose it all. You don't think they are mindful of all that ? Trust me they wouldn't be making deals like this if they wern't mindful of those things.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I completly understand his view and mantian given thier geographic location and being a company owned by a muslim government they would be even more concerned about making sure something didn't come through one of thier managed terminals. If something did come through one of thier terminals and was traced back to them can you imagine the back lash against thier country. There would be sanctions, any other country that has a port managed by them would probably stop. They would basically lose any power they have as a country now. The econmic impact would be greater than just the loss of this company they would lose it all. You don't think they are mindful of all that ? Trust me they wouldn't be making deals like this if they wern't mindful of those things.

I'm saying not using Americans for security is a LARGER risk. Why take it?

The UAE government run company might not want something to happen but people who want to destroy this country would find it easier to go through an arab Port Authority company (or any other foreign company) than an American Port Authority company.

There should be no debate on who secures our borders and coastlines in this country when it comes to Americans or foreigners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shakenbake]

I'm saying not using Americans for security is a LARGER risk. Why take it?

The UAE government run company might not want something to happen but people who want to destroy this country would find it easier to go through an arab Port Authority company (or any other foreign company) than an American Port Authority company.

There should be no debate on who secures our borders and coastlines in this country when it comes to Americans or foreigners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The U.S. Government will still be in charge of security.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yep and they fly to the U.S. How crazy is this. A country that is known to be friendly to terrorist owns a Airline and operates terminals here in the US. How easy would it be for them to let a terrorist on to thier planes. And then crash it into a building here in the US. Or smuggle a bomb into the country. This has got to stop !!!!


www.emirates.com

Unreal!

http://www.bartcop.com/port-sec-henhouse.jpg

[Garcia Bronco]

Unreal!

http://www.bartcop.com/port-sec-henhouse.jpg

LOL..are you on a pay role for this garbage? I think you need to give a cut.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LOL..are you on a pay role(sic) for this garbage? I think you need to give a cut.

Are you getting a kickback from the RNC for pimping WH talking points on this port thing here all day?

You should be.

In the meantime, I'm having a good laugh watching you do a 180, i.e., going from the stock neocon Muslim bashing, Arab = terrorist position to "the UAE is our friend and we should trust them" position.

Most entertaining. :D

[Garcia Bronco]

Are you getting a kickback from the RNC for pimping WH talking points on this port thing here all day?

You should be.

In the meantime, I'm having a good laugh watching you do a 180, i.e., going from the stock neocon Muslim bashing, Arab = terrorist position to "the UAE is our friend and we should trust them" position.

Most entertaining. :D

Brother these are my talking points..I don't take my cues from RNC or the DNC.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Brother these are my talking points..I don't take my cues from RNC or the DNC.

Be that as it may, you are saying all the same things as Scotty McClellan.

[Garcia Bronco]

Be that as it may, you are saying all the same things as Scotty McClellan.

Whoever that is ...is saying the same things as me.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Whoever that is ...is saying the same things as me.

Scotty is the WH press spokesman.

You deserve his gig more than he does - you're workin' harder to sell the WH script.

[Garcia Bronco]

Scotty is the WH press spokesman.

You deserve his gig more than he does - you're workin' harder to sell the WH script.

The guy designated to talk to the press every day...what a miserable existence

[shakenbake]

Unreal!

http://www.bartcop.com/port-sec-henhouse.jpg


What do you find "Unreal"

[shakenbake]

Ohh I get whats unreal...Its your cartoon which is a distortion of the truth. 1. they wont have anything to do with security of the ports. 2. They will run some terminals with-in the ports. Its not like they are going in and taking over the complete operations of these ports.

your right your cartoon is "unreal"

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

1. they wont have anything to do with security of the ports. 2. They will run some terminals with-in the ports. Its not like they are going in and taking over the complete operations of these ports.

And this would somehow mitigate the fact that two of the 9/11 hijackers came from this country?

your right your cartoon is "unreal"

Your approval of this deal is what's unreal.

But it's all about "stand by your man" (right or wrong) I guess.

[shakenbake]

And this would somehow mitigate the fact that two of the 9/11 hijackers came from this country?



Your approval of this deal is what's unreal.

But it's all about "stand by your man" (right or wrong) I guess.

Do you have a problem with a country that 9/11 hijackers came from operating an AIRLINE that has flights to the U.S. and has Cargo plans that fly the U.S. Where has the outrage been over that. If you cant see how this really isnt that much differnt that operating a terminal at a port then your are the one who is blind.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Do you have a problem with a country that 9/11 hijackers came from operating an AIRLINE that has flights to the U.S. and has Cargo plans that fly the U.S. Where has the outrage been over that.

Operating an airline isn't the same thing as owning and managing U.S. ports.

If you cant see how this really isnt that much differnt that operating a terminal at a port then your are the one who is blind.

Oh, the irony. :oyvey:

[shakenbake]

Operating an airline isn't the same thing as owning and managing U.S. ports.



Oh, the irony. :oyvey:

See this is where you have been mislead. They wont own shiat. They will have contracts to run SOME not all of the terminals at 6 U.S. ports. But go ahead and try and distort it how ever you see fit. In Baltimore for example they will run 2 of the 14 terminals there.

But I guess those facts dont fit your agenda.

[Garcia Bronco]

Operating an airline isn't the same thing as owning and managing U.S. ports.





Owning? The port authority owns the port. Come back to reality

[shakenbake]

Owning? The port authority owns the port. Come back to reality

reality. but thats not nearly as fun as make belive and story time!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

See this is where you have been mislead. They wont own shiat. They will have contracts to run SOME not all of the terminals at 6 U.S. ports. But go ahead and try and distort it how ever you see fit. In Baltimore for example they will run 2 of the 14 terminals there.

Whatever.

Operating an airline isn't the same thing as running terminals at U.S. ports.

Anyone with a two-digit IQ understands this.

But I guess those facts dont fit your agenda.

Your 'agenda' is clearly to defend Bush - right or wrong - and nothing more.

[shakenbake]

Whatever.

Operating an airline isn't the same thing as running terminals at U.S. ports.

Anyone with a two-digit IQ understands this.



Your 'agenda' is clearly to defend Bush - right or wrong - and nothing more.

And your agenda isn't to bash Bush. I would think the Airline thing would be just as much as a risk seeing how thats how we were attacked the last time around. Cargo is cargo no matter how you get it into the country. If they want to get a bomb into the U.S. or a terrorist it would be just as easy to put them or it on a plane as it would be to put it on a ship.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And your agenda isn't to bash Bush.

Only when he deserves it (which is about 99.99% of the time.)

I would think the Airline thing would be just as much as a risk seeing how thats how we were attacked the last time around. Cargo is cargo no matter how you get it into the country. If they want to get a bomb into the U.S. or a terrorist it would be just as easy to put them or it on a plane as it would be to put it on a ship.

Sure, the airline thing is a risk.

But it's still not the same thing as allowing a country with such a dubious track record to manage our ports.

[shakenbake]

Only when he deserves it (which is about 99.99% of the time.)



Sure, the airline thing is a risk.

But it's still not the same thing as allowing a country with such a dubious track record to manage our ports.

I think we should hold all governments responsible for how some of thier citizens behave.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I think we should hold all governments responsible for how some of thier citizens behave.

Especially when the government in question owns and controls the company that's going to manage U.S. ports.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I think we should hold all governments responsible for how some of thier citizens behave.

That's funny - most Bush supporters were saying just the opposite on the "cartoon sparks outrage" thread.

They were arguing that all Muslims were responsible for keeping radical fundamentalists in check.

I guess their argument doesn't apply to Muslims who also happen to be wealthy industrialists with ties to BushCo, eh?

[shakenbake]

Especially when the government in question owns and controls the company that's going to manage U.S. ports.

Well if thats the case I dont think we will have to many allies in the world. Im sure there are people in every country. Even our own who given the chance would love to cause some type of attack here on U.S. soil.

actully you better not allow the U.S. to operate the ports seeing how Timothy Mcveigh came from the U.S. and caused a terrorist attack. I bet some of the money timothy Mcveigh used was funneled through U.S. banks. He was even trained by the U.S. governments military. How could we allow them to run our ports.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

...actully you better not allow the U.S. to operate the ports seeing how Timothy Mcveigh came from the U.S. and caused a terrorist attack. I bet some of the money timothy Mcveigh used was funneled through U.S. banks. He was even trained by the U.S. governments military. How could we allow them to run our ports.

Surely you're not suggesting that the chances of UAE involvement in terrorism are no greater than the chances of some American like McVeigh pulling another OK City?

Remind me never to take you to Vegas.

[shakenbake]

Surely you're not suggesting that the chances of UAE involvement in terrorism are no greater than the chances of some American like McVeigh pulling another OK City?

Remind me never to take you to Vegas.

ahh come on im sure we would have a hell of a time.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Repubs Are Infuriated with Bush...

Not even Pat Roberts is coming to Bush's defense on this one:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/21/AR2006022100722.html?sub=AR

I actually agree with Congress. It's not really discrimination against Arabs; it's the fact that some 9-11 hijackers used the UAE as a base and the UAE does indirectly sponsor terrorism.

However, Repubs are even more infuriated that Bush did not inform them about this deal. They have gone to bat for him on issues from spying to Medicare, both boondoggles, and Bush just blows them off.

Hopefully, they'll retain some of that anger and maybe we'll even get a Repub drawing up impeachment papers...

[shakenbake]

Repubs Are Infuriated with Bush...

Not even Pat Roberts is coming to Bush's defense on this one:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/21/AR2006022100722.html?sub=AR

I actually agree with Congress. It's not really discrimination against Arabs; it's the fact that some 9-11 hijackers used the UAE as a base and the UAE does indirectly sponsor terrorism.

However, Repubs are even more infuriated that Bush did not inform them about this deal. They have gone to bat for him on issues from spying to Medicare, both boondoggles, and Bush just blows them off.

Hopefully, they'll retain some of that anger and maybe we'll even get a Repub drawing up impeachment papers...

why would they do that. Surley that cant be in Karl's plan. Dont forget LABF this is all part of the plan.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

why would they do that. Surley that cant be in Karl's plan. Dont forget LABF this is all part of the plan.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Only time will tell.

[shakenbake]

Maybe. Maybe not.

Only time will tell.

well you just seemed so sure in the other thread that it was all part of Karl's plan.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

well you just seemed so sure in the other thread that it was all part of Karl's plan.

I'm not sure about much of anything these days.

It just sounded like a very plausible theory to me.

[baja]

I'm not sure about much of anything these days.

It just sounded like a very plausible theory to me.

yes it is a very clever plan should it be true.