Bush Approves Selling Port Authority To Arabs

[Bronco_Beerslug]

What does everyone think about this? I'm in disbelief myself!!
There's a thread about this in the political forum but it ran amuck so thought I'd post it here since it involves our national security.

And my feelings would be the same no matter what name occupied the WH. (I've talked about this nation's lack of securing our borders and coastlines many times before).

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White House Defends Sale of Port Operations to Arab Firm
By TED BRIDIS, AP

WASHINGTON (Feb. 17) - The Bush administration on Thursday rebuffed criticism about potential security risks of a $6.8 billion sale that gives a company in the United Arab Emirates control over significant operations at six major American ports.


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A Coast Guard vessel patrols the Delaware River near the Port of Philadelphia. The state-owned Dubai Ports World wants to buy a firm that runs commercial operations at shipping terminals in New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami and Philadelphia.

Lawmakers asked the White House to reconsider the deal.

The sale to state-owned Dubai Ports World was "rigorously reviewed" by a U.S. committee that considers security threats when foreign companies seek to buy or invest in American industry, National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones said.

The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, run by the Treasury Department, took into account an assessment from U.S. intelligence agencies. The committee's 12 members agreed the sale did not present any problems, the department said.

The public defense of the secretive committee, which reviews hundreds of such deals each year, came in response to criticism about the purchase of London-based Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co.

The world's fourth-largest ports company runs commercial operations at shipping terminals in New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami and Philadelphia.

Four senators and three House members asked the administration on Thursday to reconsider its approval. The lawmakers contended the UAE is not consistent in its support of U.S. terrorism-fighting efforts.

"The potential threat to our country is not imagined, it is real," Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla., said in a House speech.

DP World said it had received all regulatory approvals for its purchase and noted that the administration did not object.
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[Hogan11]

The continued incompetence of the W realm never ceases to amaze me.

Just continue to wave the flag, don't ask questions and be thankful you don't live anywhere near the coast.

[watermock]

The UAE has generally been friendly, we have bases there...the concern is in infiltration by the vermin...

you can sense that this country is nervous as a cat...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The continued incompetence of the W realm never ceases to amaze me.

Just continue to wave the flag, don't ask questions and be thankful you don't live anywhere near the coast.
It doesn't matter as much to me who is in office that would allow this as stopping it from happening.

Here's the latest....

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Firm Sues to Block Foreign Port Takeover
By TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writer 39 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A company at the Port of Miami has sued to block the takeover of shipping operations there by a state-owned business in the United Arab Emirates. It is the first American courtroom effort to capsize a $6.8 billion sale already embroiled in a national debate over security risks at six major U.S. ports affected by the deal.

The Miami company, a subsidiary of Eller & Company Inc., presently is a business partner with London-based Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co., which Dubai Ports World purchased last week. In a lawsuit in Florida circuit court, the Miami subsidiary said that under the sale it will become an "involuntary partner" with Dubai's government and it may seek more than $10 million in damages.

The Miami subsidiary, Continental Stevedoring & Terminals Inc., said the sale to Dubai was prohibited under its partnership agreement with the British firm and "may endanger the national security of the United States." It asked a judge to block the takeover and said it does not believe the company, Florida or the U.S. government can ensure Dubai Ports World's compliance with American security rules.

A spokesman for Peninsular and Oriental indicated the company had not yet seen the lawsuit and declined to comment immediately.

The lawsuit represents the earliest skirmish over lucrative contracts among the six major American ports where Peninsular and Oriental runs major commercial operations: New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami and Philadelphia. The lawsuit was filed moments before the court closed Friday and disclosed late Saturday by people working on the case.

The sale, already approved by the Bush administration, has drawn escalating criticism by lawmakers in Washington who maintain the United Arab Emirates is not consistent in its support of U.S. terrorism-fighting efforts. At least one Senate oversight hearing is planned for later this month.

The Port of Miami is among the nation's busiest. It is a hub for the nation's cruise ships, which carry more than 6 million passengers a year, and the seaport services more than 30 ocean carriers, which delivered more than 1 million cargo containers there last year.

A New Jersey lawmaker said Saturday he intends to require U.S. port security officials be American citizens, to prevent overseas companies operating domestic shipping facilities from hiring foreigners in such sensitive positions. Republican Frank A. LoBiondo, chairman of the Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation Subcommittee, cited "significant" security worries over the sale to Dubai Ports World.

Caught by surprise over the breadth of concerns expressed in the United States, Dubai is cautiously organizing its response. The company quietly dispatched advisers to reassure port officials along the East Coast, and its chief operating officer — internationally respected American shipping executive Edward "Ted" H. Bilkey — is expected to travel to Washington this week for meetings on Capitol Hill and elsewhere.

The Bush administration in recent days has defended its approval of the sale, and has resisted demands by Congress to reconsider. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack described the United Arab Emirates on Friday as a "long-standing friend and ally" and said the United States and UAE had a good relationship.

President Bush visited the seaport in Tampa, Fla., but did not mention the dispute Friday. The president said an important element of defeating terrorism was taking precautions domestically and working with local government officials.

"We've got to protect ourselves by doing smart things in America," Bush said. "I appreciate working with the mayors on homeland security issues."

One of those mayors, Martin O'Malley of Baltimore, on Saturday harshly criticized the president's approval of the ports deal as an "outrageous, reckless and irresponsible decision" and urged the White House to reconsider the sale. Baltimore is one of the affected ports, and O'Malley is co-chairman of the U.S. Conference of Mayors' Task Force on
Homeland Security. O'Malley also is running for the Democratic gubernatorial nomination in Maryland.

Dubai Ports World declined through a spokesman to respond to O'Malley's remarks.

In New York, families of some victims from the September 2001 terror attacks planned to criticize the deal during a press conference Sunday with Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer (news, bio, voting record), a leading critic of the sale. Schumer said he is dubious any assurances can justify involvement by the United Arab Emirates in American ports.

Schumer and other critics have cited the UAE's history as an operational and financial base for the hijackers who carried out the attacks against New York and Washington.

"A lot of families are incensed by this, because you're talking about the safety of the country," said William Doyle, whose son Joseph died at the World Trade Center. ""We have a problem already in our ports because all of our containers aren't checked, but now they want to add this unknown? It's not right."

LoBiondo's legislative proposal would amend federal maritime laws to require facility security officers, which operate at terminals in every U.S. port, to be American citizens. LoBiondo said there are presently no citizenship requirements, which he said permits foreign companies who are or become partners in domestic terminal operations to employ security officers who are not Americans.

"We cannot be lax about our nation's security nor fail to recognize that our ports are realistic targets of terrorists," LoBiondo said.
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[watermock]

The continued incompetence of the W realm never ceases to amaze me.

Just continue to wave the flag, don't ask questions and be thankful you don't live anywhere near the coast.

Your totally clueless at times...that's the most firendly arab state we have along with Bahrain...sure it's a risk, but only if vermin get in...UAE comforts bases of the US there.

The real pricks have been the Saudis...

[Hogan11]

Your totally clueless at times...that's the most firendly arab state we have along with Bahrain...sure it's a risk, but only if vermin get in...UAE comforts bases of the US there.

They are no different than the Saudis....we have bases in both, they're supposedly friendly towards the USA and yet both help fund the 9-11 terrorists.

They might be friendly in lip service, but I wouldn't trust them at all. They are not Qatar or Kuwait by a long shot (arab nations that are truly friendly to US interests).

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Your totally clueless at times...that's the most firendly arab state we have along with Bahrain...sure it's a risk, but only if vermin get in...UAE comforts bases of the US there.

The real pricks have been the Saudis...
You really aren't trying to defend selling our Port Authority to foreigners are you?

[sirhcyennek81]

united ARAB emirates...arab...islamic...nutbags. i am pretty conservative, but this is a bad move.

:Broncos:

[watermock]

I'm not defending anything...trade has to continue with friendly states...UAE has been historically frendly...I don't trust them, but as mentinoned Baherain and Quatar give us a presense...

Saudis? they threw us out iif you don't remember...

[sirhcyennek81]

15 of the 19 highjackers were saudi, simply because it was easier at the time for saudis to gain american visas. not a reflection of saudi society, but you can't trust these people, not with a vital part of the american economy.

:Broncos:

[watermock]

I'm the Curtis LeMay of the Mane...so don't call me soft...but we have to keep some ties despite idiots creating chaos...You choose your enemys...

we have to make some sense to these cretins...as angry as I am...(mock goes into peace mode)

It's just sad honestly...you don't know to negotiate or blast them off the planet...

"sigh and tears" Real.

[RunByDesign]

I'm not defending anything...trade has to continue with friendly states...UAE has been historically frendly.

I guess you missed this:

Lawmakers said the UAE was an important transfer point for shipments of smuggled nuclear components sent to Iran, North Korea and Libya by a Pakistani scientist, Abdul Qadeer Khan. They also said the UAE was one of only three countries to recognize the now-toppled Taliban as Afghanistan's legitimate government.

And this:

Critics also have cited the UAE's history as an operational and financial base for the hijackers who carried out the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Dude, stick to what you do best, drinking jack and writing stories about your cat.

[Hogan11]

I'm not defending anything...trade has to continue with friendly states...UAE has been historically frendly...I don't trust them, but as mentinoned Baherain and Quatar give us a presense...

Saudis? they threw us out iif you don't remember...

In New York, families of some victims from the September 2001 terror attacks planned to criticize the deal during a press conference Sunday with Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer (news, bio, voting record), a leading critic of the sale. Schumer said he is dubious any assurances can justify involvement by the United Arab Emirates in American ports.

Schumer and other critics have cited the UAE's history as an operational and financial base for the hijackers who carried out the attacks against New York and Washington.

Schumer even points it out.....oh wait, he's a liberal, I forgot...can't take anything he says seriously right? Nevermind then....::)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Schumer even points it out.....oh wait, he's a liberal, I forgot...can't take anything he says seriously right? Nevermind then....::)

Besides all that, does this make any sense to anyone at all? I mean honestly, how could this even be considered let alone approved (selling our Port Authority to a foreign nation)?

[RunByDesign]

Besides all that, does this make any sense to anyone at all? I mean honestly, how could this even be considered let alone approved (selling our Port Authority to a foreign nation)?

Sets the stage for a nuclear attack, then marshall law and total control.

[Hogan11]

Besides all that, does this make any sense to anyone at all? I mean honestly, how could this even be considered let alone approved (selling our Port Authority to a foreign nation)?

Only thing I can think of is maybe we are tapped out and need cash desperately. Far-fetched I know, but it's really the only thing I can think of that would open the door to something so extreme as this.

[watermock]

Located on the Arabian Gulf, King Abdul Aziz Air Base in Dhahran provides a sunny place to live and work. Humidity from the Gulf keeps the surroundings green. Very pleasant fall and spring weather is set apart by the cool days of winter and the humid heat of summer. The Aramco Compound, virtually a city unto itself, houses hundreds of westerners only ten miles away. The SAUDI ARAMCO facilities at Dhahran include support facilities (which are in general closed to non-SAUDI-ARAMCO employees). The Dhahran Air Base includes the air terminal and facilities for commercial aviation serving the Eastern Province and the training and maintenance facilities for the Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF). A number of major companies with government contracts or industrial plants have installations within a 20-kilometer radius. The majority, even when located in cities, have residential "compounds", or virtually self-sufficient communities, for their employees.
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It's a confusing world...we have a base there and shouldn't lose it...I can't change anything...don't blame mock...I know who the enemy is, but you have to keep a foothold there...

oh lord...it's tragic honestly...I'm just amazed this cartoon rage has been a pretext to riot for a week...if this goes on another week...I say bring the jets on their asses...

[watermock]

We basically gave the Panama Canal away and they promptly sold it to China.

[RunByDesign]

Located on the Arabian Gulf, King Abdul Aziz Air Base in Dhahran provides a sunny place to live and work. Humidity from the Gulf keeps the surroundings green. Very pleasant fall and spring weather is set apart by the cool days of winter and the humid heat of summer. The Aramco Compound, virtually a city unto itself, houses hundreds of westerners only ten miles away. The SAUDI ARAMCO facilities at Dhahran include support facilities (which are in general closed to non-SAUDI-ARAMCO employees). The Dhahran Air Base includes the air terminal and facilities for commercial aviation serving the Eastern Province and the training and maintenance facilities for the Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF). A number of major companies with government contracts or industrial plants have installations within a 20-kilometer radius. The majority, even when located in cities, have residential "compounds", or virtually self-sufficient communities, for their employees.
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It's a confusing world...we have a base there and shouldn't lose it...I can't change anything...don't blame mock...I know who the enemy is, but you have to keep a foothold there...

oh lord...it's tragic honestly...I'm just amazed this cartoon rage has been a pretext to riot for a week...if this goes on another week...I say bring the jets on their asses...

WTF does that have to do with us selling off commercial control of OUR ports, here in the US????

[RunByDesign]

We basically gave the Panama Canal away and they promptly sold it to China.

Two words:

Foreign Country.

[watermock]

WTF does that have to do with us selling off commercial control of OUR ports, here in the US????

We can pull that on a whim if we want...This is port entry, not control.
I don't like it one bit...and don't understand it...but if they give us trouble I pull the trigger.

I don't get this administration at times...sighs...

[lookin' glass]

Doesn't China already have the same setup with many west coast ports and the Panama Canal? The Chinese have had a hand in many a nefarious plan that interestingly seems to go un-noticed regardless of who has been in the White House/Congress. Should we turn over the east coast to the Arabs? Hell no. Why the west coast either? Demican, Republicrat I'm not seeing much difference in any of them.
That those of you who consider yourself liberal, conservative or in between can see something wrong with this picture, to say it is or isn't Bush's fault are missing the bigger picture when it comes most of those people in DC.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Doesn't China already have the same setup with many west coast ports and the Panama Canal? The Chinese have had a hand in many a nefarious plan that interestingly seems to go un-noticed regardless of who has been in the White House/Congress. Should we turn over the east coast to the Arabs? Hell no. Why the west coast either? Demican, Republicrat I'm not seeing much difference in any of them.
That those of you who consider yourself liberal, conservative or in between can see something wrong with this picture, to say it is or isn't Bush's fault are missing the bigger picture when it comes most of those people in DC.
No, China doesn't own any American Port Authorities.

[dakranker]

P&O Ports North America

ROBERT WOODS
Executive Chairman

Robert Woods was born in 1946 and educated at Cambridge University, graduating in economics and history in 1968.

In 1971 he joined P&O General Cargo Division and transferred to Overseas Containers Limited (later P&O Containers Limited) in 1980, heading the Company's Gulf headquarters in Dubai. Returning to the United Kingdom in 1984 he was appointed General Manager of the Far East Trade. Two years later he became Trade Director of the Australia / New Zealand Service. In 1989 he was appointed Joint Managing Director and a year later became sole Managing Director of P&O Containers Limited.

On the merger of P&O Containers Limited and Nedlloyd Lines BV in 1997 he was appointed Managing Director of P&O Nedlloyd Limited and subsequently appointed Group Managing Director of P&O Nedlloyd in May 2000. In May 2002 he was appointed Executive Chairman of P&O Ports Limited and Non-Executive Director of John Swire and Sons Limited. In October 2002 he was appointed President of the Chamber of Shipping for an extended term of eighteen months.

In January 2004 he became Chief Executive of P&O Steam Navigation Company, retaining direct executive responsibility for P&O Ports and at the same time relinquishing his position as Group Managing Director of P&O Nedlloyd Container Line. He is Chairman of Tilbury Container Service (TCS) and Southampton Container Terminal (SCT).


WTF

[Rock Chalk]

What does everyone think about this? I'm in disbelief myself!!
There's a thread about this in the political forum but it ran amuck so thought I'd post it here since it involves our national security.

And my feelings would be the same no matter what name occupied the WH. (I've talked about this nation's lack of securing our borders and coastlines many times before).

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White House Defends Sale of Port Operations to Arab Firm
By TED BRIDIS, AP

WASHINGTON (Feb. 17) - The Bush administration on Thursday rebuffed criticism about potential security risks of a $6.8 billion sale that gives a company in the United Arab Emirates control over significant operations at six major American ports.


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A Coast Guard vessel patrols the Delaware River near the Port of Philadelphia. The state-owned Dubai Ports World wants to buy a firm that runs commercial operations at shipping terminals in New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami and Philadelphia.

Lawmakers asked the White House to reconsider the deal.

The sale to state-owned Dubai Ports World was "rigorously reviewed" by a U.S. committee that considers security threats when foreign companies seek to buy or invest in American industry, National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones said.

The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, run by the Treasury Department, took into account an assessment from U.S. intelligence agencies. The committee's 12 members agreed the sale did not present any problems, the department said.

The public defense of the secretive committee, which reviews hundreds of such deals each year, came in response to criticism about the purchase of London-based Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co.

The world's fourth-largest ports company runs commercial operations at shipping terminals in New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami and Philadelphia.

Four senators and three House members asked the administration on Thursday to reconsider its approval. The lawmakers contended the UAE is not consistent in its support of U.S. terrorism-fighting efforts.

"The potential threat to our country is not imagined, it is real," Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla., said in a House speech.

DP World said it had received all regulatory approvals for its purchase and noted that the administration did not object.
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I don't like it. But then, I've been against the US selling anything to anyone that is not American for a long time. In the 80s and 90s it was the Japanese that were buying everything. Now, its the Arabs.

As for potential threat, it is there. But also consider the UAE is not a fanatical state. At best, they have to juggle their sensibilities with the politics of the region.

Further, barring the sale to any specific nation when others are allowed to purchase such things is discrimination. Grounds of national security can be brougt up but I don't think it would hold up against the Supreme Court.

This would, of course, all be contingent upon those having purchased it (that is to say, the governmental authority of the UAE) do not consort with, aid, abed, or otherwise cahort with terrorist's or terrorist factions either directly or indirectly (via a "middle" man or two).

Now, if the UAE is, as a government, on the suspected terror organization list, then no it shouldnt be sold. That's just common sense.

Again, Im against the sale on the grounds that I dont think this sort of thing should be sold outside of the US. American land should only be able to be purchased by American citizens, or corporations founded and primarily doing business of operations here in America or the US government.

Its not for sale to foreigners. Im equally prejudiced against the entire world on this matter.

[Jetmeck]

Besides all that, does this make any sense to anyone at all? I mean honestly, how could this even be considered let alone approved (selling our Port Authority to a foreign nation)?


Exactly, and Bush is trying to circumvent a law that limits foreign investment in American airlines to 25% as we speak. These republicans are clueless, let's give foreign powers control of our ports and airlines. Like you said basically.....why do even have to talk about something that shouldn't even be considered to begin with ?

[Rausch]

I voted for Jr. twice.

I volinteered for him this last election.






I want my money back...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Exactly, and Bush is trying to circumvent a law that limits foreign investment in American airlines to 25% as we speak. These republicans are clueless, let's give foreign powers control of our ports and airlines. Like you said basically.....why do even have to talk about something that shouldn't even be considered to begin with ?

Don't ya know?

It's because Incurious George has declared himself king and has established that he considers himself above the law.

The scary part is that his brain-dead supporters (the few who are left) seem to like it.

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/4142/cluelessw3us.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I voted for Jr. twice.

I volinteered for him this last election.






I want my money back...

:thumbsup:

Nice to see someone like you putting country before party for a change.

[baja]

I voted for Jr. twice.

I volinteered for him this last election.






I want my money back...

That's encouraging to hear

[Jetmeck]

I voted for Jr. twice.

I volinteered for him this last election.






I want my money back...


Nice to see some admitting they were wrong, we have all known for years the republicans are for the rich and big corporations. It is just this administaration takes this philosophy to new heights (or lows) and does it with this in your face attitude like so what are you going to do about it ? Look at the corporate give aways in the energy bill to big oil, for christ sake let's pay the thieving bastards for screwing us. How about the Haliburton (Cheney pet corporation) type issues in IRAQ, billions of dollars misplaced and little to no services rendered. Iraq and Katrina have become the get rich scheme central for many shady corporations. Face it people BUSH is all about getting his friends in high places a lot of dough at our expense and appointing his idiot friends to jobs they don't have a clue about.

Why should he think twice about putting his friends into
potentially important jobs, the people of this country voted him into office the second time after he totally screwed everything up the first four years ! He can't handle domestic or international issues and is by FAR the WORST president we have ever had in this country.

Maybe Cheney will take Bush hunting !

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Nice to see some admitting they were wrong, we have all known for years the republicans are for the rich and big corporations. It is just this administaration takes this philosophy to new heights (or lows) and does it with this in your face attitude like so what are you going to do about it ? Look at the corporate give aways in the energy bill to big oil, for christ sake let's pay the thieving bastards for screwing us. How about the Haliburton (Cheney pet corporation) type issues in IRAQ, billions of dollars misplaced and little to no services rendered. Iraq and Katrina have become the get rich scheme central for many shady corporations. Face it people BUSH is all about getting his friends in high places a lot of dough at our expense and appointing his idiot friends to jobs they don't have a clue about.

Why should he think twice about putting his friends into
potentially important jobs, the people of this country voted him into office the second time after he totally screwed everything up the first four years ! He can't handle domestic or international issues and is by FAR the WORST president we have ever had in this country.

Maybe Cheney will take Bush hunting !

:thumbsup:

It's also nauseating when you think about all the cronies Bush has appointed to various positions (as patronage perks) who have looted the treasury and/or f_cked up in some way and have been promoted instead of losing their jobs.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Unreal!!

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UAE Would Also Control Shipments of Military Equipment For The U.S. Army

There is bipartisan concern about the Bush administration’s decision to outsource the operation of six of the nation’s largest ports to a company controlled by the United Arab Emirates (UAE) because of that nation’s troubling ties to international terrorism. The sale of P&O to Dubai World Ports would give the state-owned company control of “the ports of New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami and Philadelphia.”

A major part of the story, however, has been mostly overlooked. The company, Dubai Ports World, would also control the movement of military equipment on behalf of the U.S. Army through two other ports. From today’s edition of the British paper Lloyd’s List:

[P&O] has just renewed a contract with the United States Surface Deployment and Distribution Command to provide stevedoring [loading and unloading] of military equipment at the Texan ports of Beaumont and Corpus Christi through 2010.

According to the journal Army Logistician “Almost 40 percent of the Army cargo deployed in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom flows through these two ports.”

Thus, the sale would give a country that has been “a key transfer point for illegal shipments of nuclear components to Iran, North Korea and Lybia” direct control over substantial quantities U.S. military equipment.
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[baja]

Good God where is the outrage about this.

Or is a blow job and a minor hunting accident the larger issues?

What am I missing here?

[baja]

Nice to see some admitting they were wrong, we have all known for years the republicans are for the rich and big corporations. It is just this administaration takes this philosophy to new heights (or lows) and does it with this in your face attitude like so what are you going to do about it ? Look at the corporate give aways in the energy bill to big oil, for christ sake let's pay the thieving bastards for screwing us. How about the Haliburton (Cheney pet corporation) type issues in IRAQ, billions of dollars misplaced and little to no services rendered. Iraq and Katrina have become the get rich scheme central for many shady corporations. Face it people BUSH is all about getting his friends in high places a lot of dough at our expense and appointing his idiot friends to jobs they don't have a clue about.

Why should he think twice about putting his friends into
potentially important jobs, the people of this country voted him into office the second time after he totally screwed everything up the first four years ! He can't handle domestic or international issues and is by FAR the WORST president we have ever had in this country.

<b>Maybe Cheney will take Bush hunting !</b>


Wellif he does and intends on shooting him he'd better get his ass hole stamp.