Pakistani Cleric Announces 1 Million Dollar Bounty For Killing Cartoonist

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Is this out of control or what?

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Nine Die in Cartoon Protests in Libya
By RIAZ KHAN, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago

PESHAWAR, Pakistan - A Pakistani cleric announced a $1 million bounty for killing a cartoonist who drew the Prophet Muhammad. In Libya, a demonstration against the caricatures left the Italian consulate on fire and at least nine people dead, according to an Italian diplomat.

Denmark, where a newspaper first published the cartoons, temporarily closed its embassy in Pakistan and advised its citizens to leave the country.

An Italian consular official, Antonio Simoes-Concalves, said nine protesters had been killed in the demonstration in the Libyan city of Bengazi as armed police fired bullets and tear gas on a crowd of more than 1,000 demonstrators.

Libyan security officials said 11 people had been killed or wounded, but gave no breakdown.

"They are still continually firing," Simoes-Concalves said late Friday, speaking by telephone from inside the consulate where he was holed up. "They haven't managed to block them."

The Italian Foreign Ministry confirmed that the first floor of the consulate had been set on fire after the crowd charged into the grounds late Friday.

Libyan state television showed firefighters trying to put out the fire, ambulances taking casualties away from the scene and five cars that were severely damaged in the riot.

Security officials said the demonstrators hurled stones and bottles at the consulate, and later entered the grounds and set fire to the building and a consular car.

Police fired shots to try to disperse the crowd, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity as they were not authorized to speak to the press.

No Italians were injured, the Italian Foreign Ministry said.

In Pakistan, Mohammed Yousaf Qureshi announced the bounty for killing a cartoonist to about 1,000 people outside the historic Mohabat Khan mosque in the northwestern city of Peshawar.

He said the mosque and the religious school he leads would give a $25,000 reward and a car for killing the cartoonist who drew the caricatures — considered blasphemous by Muslims. He said a local jewelers' association would also give $1 million, but no representative of the association was available to confirm the offer.

"Whoever has done this despicable and shameful act, he has challenged the honor of Muslims. Whoever will kill this cursed man, he will get $1 million dollars from the association of the jewelers bazaar, one million rupees ($16,700) from Masjid Mohabat Khan and 500,000 rupees ($8,350) and a car from Jamia Ashrafia as a reward," Qureshi said.

"This is a unanimous decision of by all imams of Islam that whoever insults the prophets deserves to be killed and whoever will take this insulting man to his end, will get this prize," he said.
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[BMF Bronco]

****ing insane

[watermock]

Killing, rioting, raping, looting, arson, beheading, kidnapping, sexual abuse, polygamy, hijacking, IED's, declaring war on Christians and Jews, knocking down the WTC and Pentagon all OK.

Cartoon of the False Prophet...Blasphemy.

I bet Bang could really get them stirred up...Ha!

Mohammed the Prophet:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=242&dateline=1139734240

[Breck Bronc]

My guess is that noted bounty hunter Todd Bertuzzi will collect on this just like he did on Brad May's.

[Taco John]

Those guys are in for it now...


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[dbfan4life]

Some people just can't take a joke.

[Hogan11]

Somewhere, a cartoonist is trying to reach S. Rushdie on hideout advice

[watermock]

Those people look like zombies out of a 50's B Sci Fi movie.

Are those the cartoonists? I'd be splitting town like Butch Cassidy...these fanatics will take them out if they can...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Those guys are in for it now...


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This is probably enough money now to send every strict religious male Muslim from the age of 12 to 60 looking for the "evil" cartooners.

[watermock]

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Now that we have seen the faces of evil we must act. We hit them in the buffet line while they are getting their shrimp cocktail...

Sorry, but is that a transvestite in front, and WTF are the other two wearing? And they look like zombies.

[Victor]

This whole ordeal is like a bad SNL skit. It reminds me of the line from Woody Allen's "Hannah and her Sister's", when Max Von Sydow's character says something to the tune of:

"if Jesus could return to Earth and see all the killing that's been done in his name he'd be sick"

I'm guessing that Mohammed would do the same.

[yavoon]

Islam out of control? surely u jest!

[yavoon]

This whole ordeal is like a bad SNL skit. It reminds me of the line from Woody Allen's "Hannah and her Sister's", when Max Von Sydow's character says something to the tune of:

"if Jesus could return to Earth and see all the killing that's been done in his name he'd be sick"

I'm guessing that Mohammed would do the same.

i seem to remember mohammad controlling armies.

[Victor]

i seem to remember mohammad controlling armies.

You may be right, frankly I don't know. My point is that all the killing in the name of religion, or spirituality seems a bit ironic, don't you think?

[Taco John]

Thou shalt not mock DOG!

[watermock]

This whole ordeal is like a bad SNL skit. It reminds me of the line from Woody Allen's "Hannah and her Sister's", when Max Von Sydow's character says something to the tune of:

"if Jesus could return to Earth and see all the killing that's been done in his name he'd be sick"

I'm guessing that Mohammed would do the same.

Considering he was a murdering thief...I doubt it.

[watermock]

You may be right, frankly I don't know. My point is that all the killing in the name of religion, or spirituality seems a bit ironic, don't you think?

Killing infedels is permitted. Religious intolarance is encouraged. I have been telling you people this for years. It's not illegal to kill infidels...it's a duty...of course...young girls can be taken for pleasure or hostage if there is anyone in the family still alive...after they are deflowered.

[Victor]

Considering he was a murdering thief...I doubt it.

Are you a cartoonist on the side?

[Bronx33]

Thou shalt not mock DOG!

Has there been some DOG mocking????? say it isn't so!!

[DomCasual]

This whole thing has turned into one of the most bizarre situations I have ever seen. Think about this:

1) Can you imagine this kind of outburst everytime someone makes fun of Jesus? Different cultures, obviously - but still, there would be non-stop rioting. God bless free speech, and all that, I guess.

2) I can't believe this has never come up before. Are you telling me that this is the first time anyone has ever made a cartoon about Muhammed?

I have since seen cartoons & Photoshops that depict Muhammed in all sorts of degrading positings, like having sex with animals and eating plates of poop. Are those people on the death list now, too?

It reminds me of this scene from the movie Stripes:

Psycho: The name's Francis Sawyer, but everybody calls me Psycho. Any of you guys call me Francis, and I'll kill you.

Leon: Ooooooh.

Psycho: You just made the list, buddy. Also, I don't like no one touching my stuff. So just keep your meathooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you. And I don't like nobody touching me. Any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you.

[Bronx33]

Killing infedels is permitted. Religious intolarance is encouraged. I have been telling you people this for years. It's not illegal to kill infidels...it's a duty...of course...young girls can be taken for pleasure or hostage if there is anyone in the family still alive...after they are deflowered.

So what about the collateral damage with these roadside bombs? they are killing muslims in their mighty crusade. i wonder if allah has a pad of murder passes he hands out? Ahhhhhhhh crap! i bet i just made alist with that comment.

[yavoon]

You may be right, frankly I don't know. My point is that all the killing in the name of religion, or spirituality seems a bit ironic, don't you think?

killing in the name of buddhism might be a tad ironic. the rest, not so much. as long as of course ur killing the bad guys.

[RMT]

who said Muslims were part of a "peaceful religion"? ... was that Bush?

[DomCasual]

killing in the name of buddhism might be a tad ironic. the rest, not so much. as long as of course ur killing the bad guys.
No offense, but that's just not true. Sure, you can point to numerous examples of people throughout history that have killed in the name of religion. But that doesn't mean their killing was sponsored by the religion itself. People make bad decisions, and justify their bad decisions with whatever justification they can.

[yavoon]

No offense, but that's just not true. Sure, you can point to numerous examples of people throughout history that have killed in the name of religion. But that doesn't mean their killing was sponsored by the religion itself. People make bad decisions, and justify their bad decisions with whatever justification they can.

they sure seem to quote it a lot whilst killing. hey here's a thought, when something gruesome happens in the OT or the koran, maybe the psychos AREN'T misinterpreting it!

I'm totally down with ppl taking whatever religious text they believe and ignoring everything that doesn't conform to modern western liberal thought. I think thats a good idea, but that doesn't mean i believe that modern western liberal thought existed 1300, 2000, whatever years ago. afterall it was what? 1800 YEARS after jesus that america freed the slaves.

[DomCasual]

they sure seem to quote it a lot whilst killing. hey here's a thought, when something gruesome happens in the OT or the koran, maybe the psychos AREN'T misinterpreting it!

I'm totally down with ppl taking whatever religious text they believe and ignoring everything that doesn't conform to modern western liberal thought. I think thats a good idea, but that doesn't mean i believe that modern western liberal thought existed 1300, 2000, whatever years ago. afterall it was what? 1800 YEARS after jesus that america freed the slaves.
Dude, thanks for the civil response - not trying to sound patronizing, really. You're obviously a smart guy, and I almost always respect the insight you have on things, whether I agree with it or not.

Look at all the Christian religions that base their beliefs on the Bible. It's not as if these are all slightly different belief systems, with respect for each other. They are outwardly hostile to each other. And they all are preaching from the same book - most of the time, even the same version of the same book. You get a charismatic leader that will twist things to his best interest, and the sheep just fall in line.

I don't believe that's God-sponsored activity, though. And with no univerally-accepted authority to go to for the "final answer" on religious debates, people are able to justify their bad behavior without religious checks and balances.

[yavoon]

Dude, thanks for the civil response - not trying to sound patronizing, really. You're obviously a smart guy, and I almost always respect the insight you have on things, whether I agree with it or not.

Look at all the Christian religions that base their beliefs on the Bible. It's not as if these are all slightly different belief systems, with respect for each other. They are outwardly hostile to each other. And they all are preaching from the same book - most of the time, even the same version of the same book. You get a charismatic leader that will twist things to his best interest, and the sheep just fall in line.

I don't believe that's God-sponsored activity, though. And with no univerally-accepted authority to go to for the "final answer" on religious debates, people are able to justify their bad behavior without religious checks and balances.

to me, intellectually all passages in the bible are equal. u can't take a lovey kind passage and have it overrule a passage that is cruel just because u prefer the former(or worse go into huge conflagurations of "context"). that being said, and if u will give me that both the koran and the old testament are more violent than the new testament. lets look at the new testament and some of what god said.

this is:
"10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city."

or this fun one:
15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death
15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

now maybe I'm illiterate(anyone?) but it sure seems to me that it went down like this: pharisees give him **** for not washing his hands, he then condemns them for not killing brats.

oh and this one is just funny:
"4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them."

hows this go like? "I talk in riddles so heathens can't get into heaven." fun guy.

yah I should stop now u can have too much fun w/ the bible. in conclusion while I greatly prefer ppl who read the bible to have modern western liberal beliefs I dont necessarily think they are the ones interpreting it correctly. Or certainly they are not less intellectually dishonest because they are nicer:)

[watermock]

Well this has been effecively hijacked.

[Bronx33]

Well this has been effecively hijacked.

The voon tends to do that..

[yavoon]

The voon tends to do that..

go me!

[WABronco]

Those guys are in for it now...


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Ha!

[Rock Chalk]

Islam is a peaceful religion.

[watermock]

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Honestly, they look like they need to be put down....Ha! Sheesh...

[bombay]

Initial reports from Libya indicate that two of the cartoon protesters killed outside the Italian embassy today may be Foghorn Leghorn and Yosemite Sam.

[RMT]

Islam is a peaceful religion.

Compared to what, Al Qaeda?

[TheDave]

"Whoever has done this despicable and shameful act, he has challenged the honor of Muslims. Whoever will kill this cursed man, he will get $1 million dollars from the association of the jewelers bazaar, one million rupees ($16,700) from Masjid Mohabat Khan and 500,000 rupees ($8,350) and a car from Jamia Ashrafia as a reward," Qureshi said.

Business must be good at the association of jewelers bazaar... wonder if the get a tax write off for that?

[watermock]

Mock would take a SuperHornet and just obliterate that jewelery shop...how amusing that its a JEWerly shop that is offering the reward...**** these morons..blow the damn store up.

[Sodak]

Religion is such a beautiful thing. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

[Popps]

At least 10 killed in Libya cartoon riot (Headline from Yahoo)

Honestly, did you ever think... in your wildest dreams... you'd ever read the phrase "cartoon riot" in your life?

Seriously, there has to be a few moderately educated Muslims over there who are just utterly embarrassed of their own people.

[yavoon]

At least 10 killed in Libya cartoon riot (Headline from Yahoo)

Honestly, did you ever think... in your wildest dreams... you'd ever read the phrase "cartoon riot" in your life?

Seriously, there has to be a few moderately educated Muslims over there who are just utterly embarrassed of their own people.

Osama Bin Laden has a university degree in civil engineering

not what u were looking for?:)

ok I giveup, Osama has a degree in something from Jedda but damn if I know what it is. take ur pick economics, management, civil engineering, public administration.

[watermock]

So what does that mean? It shows that education doesn't equal rational behavior. I don't care if he's a PHD...he's a terrorist.

[TomServo]

waay back when i used to post on the politics board-my side won the election and who can get worked up on that crap more than once every four years? i stated on some thread that islam needs to leave the 7th century and join the 21st century. i was promptly and maybe rightfuly told if i wasnt a muslim it wasnt my place to say.
but damn that religion needs to grow the F up. lemme get this straight, school kids get blown up by muslims this week in iraq and these pple riot over cartoons? if your faith isnt strong enough to ignore some juvenile cartoons...your religion is in trouble. how many riots or deaths over the "piss christ"? Oyeah, 0.
did any christians riot or protest w/that POS olympics- abortion clinic bomber got sentenced recently? lemme see, NO.

[watermock]

How many times do I have to explain this...killing non muslins is acceptable and always has been.

[sirhcyennek81]

Politically, I lean right. Took an online quiz, score was 90%...conservative. In my oh so humble opinion, you cannot reason with people who obviously miss the point about western satire. The fact these savages, yes, i said savages, are RIOTING over danish cartoons is enough to make you want to scream. If you were not convinced that western liberal democracy is under attack from islam, this should have done it. who the **** are these ragheads to dictate to us what we can view in our own newspapers? instead of actually being brave, standing up for freedom of speech, our pussy media does what? refuses to show these asinine cartoons out of respect for islam...and instead focuses on a hunting accident in texas.

:Broncos:

[Popps]

Breakfast cereal sparks outrage in Mideast. Story at 11...

Arabs outraged over tourist farting near holy city. Story at 11...

Hundreds dead as Muslims protest the moon... more as the story breaks...

[sirhcyennek81]

Film at 11, we will talk ad naseum about the cartoons sparking outrage in the middle east, but in respect for the faith of Islam, our bitch asses wont show you these harmless cartoons...but next, we will have an in depth discussion of the artwork of the Madonna covered in vaginas and cowdung, and show you the oh so talked about piece...

[TomServo]

people that try to equate jesus with mohamed crack me up.
jesus: peace, love,love thy neighbor, do unto others...son of god ,could have gotten out of being nailed to a cross(being the son of god and everything).
mohamed: kill the jews. kill christians . kill infadels. intafada
and yes, catholics had inquisitions. how many years ago? oyeah that would be Hundreds of years.

[sirhcyennek81]

Catholic inquisitions, more often then not were more fair then secular courts. The spanish inquisition, for example, was ordered by Isabella, not the Roman Church in spain. You dont see Christians rioting because someone said Jebus instead of Jesus. This whole do "not" depict mohammed is bull****. islamic art involves frescoes and marble work of him...but hey, whatever...

:Broncos:

[TomServo]

isnt mohammed depicted along with moses on our supreme court building?

[TomServo]

well maybe not moses but mohamed along with the ten commandments?

[TomServo]

correct myself. Yes.
mohamed right up there with moses and the 10 commandments

[Paladin]

Islam is a peaceful religion.

But a large number of people who pratice it are nuts.

[sirhcyennek81]

But a large number of people who pratice it are nuts.

Not the people...it is the faith that's nuts. Islam is as peaceful as a fat woman at a free buffet...

:Broncos:

[TomServo]

but islam is Not peaceful. by its own nature. it is not. any faith that embraces "intafada"-holy war. cannot be peaceful.

[sirhcyennek81]

**** Jihad. Crusades, bitches.

:Broncos:

[TomServo]

crusades? what was that? half a milleniem ago?

[TomServo]

check me if im wrong but the crusaders killed way many more christians than muslims

[sirhcyennek81]

11 Crusades. Sack of Constantinople didnt help things. For the muslims, they remember the crusades, be wise if we did, too.

:Broncos:

[TomServo]

so when a bunch of ignorant medeval crusaders kill some muslims 500 years ago. its more of a slight than w/some modern muslims slaughter school children on their way to school? K, got it that makes sense.

[TomServo]

Oh and let the north remember Fredricksburgh and Antitiem. God damn its fun holding a grudge.

[TomServo]

just my personal feeling why my "america rose above it"
we NEVER held a grudge. not even against our southern brothers-Ever.

name another country where a brother could forgive a brother?..No "Abdul" would never forgive his brother......

[yavoon]

just my personal feeling why my "america rose above it"
we NEVER held a grudge. not even against our southern brothers-Ever.

name another country where a brother could forgive a brother?..No "Abdul" would never forgive his brother......

I think its the south that held the grudge.

[TomServo]

only a total idiot thought killing lincoln was a good thing for the south. Only honest Abe could have prevented the hatred and the freaking Klan.

[TomServo]

STILL, it was only a few years later kids from alabama were fighting alongsides kids from new york alongsides kids from miss.

name another country where that could happen?

[watermock]

what war was that again?

[TomServo]

Ww 1

[TomServo]

just one of those things. hahha

[TomServo]

dumbass kids from new york fighting alongsides dumbass kids from alabama
............only in America

[watermock]

That wouldn't be a "few years later"...it would be "half a century later" or two full generations

Good Lord...to boot, they were drafted...can you be more ignorant.

[TomServo]

relatively speaking YES. it was only a few years ago . my point was we forgave and forgot and put it behind us. while some other cultures, would NOT have.
for example we dont even celebrate V E day or V J day anymore because its pointless. but dont the protestants celebrate "orange day"? some victory day over the catholics like 150 years ago?talk about crap just to stir up old hatred . for what?

[TomServo]

and i didnt say you were ignorant when you didnt know the black sheep squadron flew Corsairs did i?

[Needa Pass Rush]

A 20 million dollar bounty on the cleric should take care of that threat. :boxing:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

dumbass kids from new york fighting alongsides dumbass kids from alabama
............only in America
If you think all of the South has graciously accepted the ass-kicking from the civil war and moved on, you must live north of the line.

[baja]

No offense, but that's just not true. Sure, you can point to numerous examples of people throughout history that have killed in the name of religion. But that doesn't mean their killing was sponsored by the religion itself. People make bad decisions, and justify their bad decisions with whatever justification they can.

<B> CRUSADES </B>

[RMT]

At least 10 killed in Libya cartoon riot (Headline from Yahoo)

Honestly, did you ever think... in your wildest dreams... you'd ever read the phrase "cartoon riot" in your life?

Seriously, there has to be a few moderately educated Muslims over there who are just utterly embarrassed of their own people.

My question is where are those "moderates"? They should be speaking out against this asinine behavior. You either condemn it or support it ... silence speaks volumes, in my opinion.

[Wes Mantooth]

Some people just can't take a joke.
I'm sorry, but I don't believe the way to fanatics hearts is by making fun of the thing that they care about most. These people live, breath and are willing to die for their Prophet and God and then we have a hard time figuring out why muslims are offended when we make fun of them.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I'm sorry, but I don't believe the way to fanatics hearts is by making fun of the thing that they care about most. These people live, breath and are willing to die for their Prophet and God and then we have a hard time figuring out why muslims are offended when we make fun of them.

Drawing a caricature of a prophet deplicting what IS actually going on in the world is reason for burning, looting, destruction and killing people? Are you kidding?

[watermock]

I'm sorry, but I don't believe the way to fanatics hearts is by making fun of the thing that they care about most. These people live, breath and are willing to die for their Prophet and God and then we have a hard time figuring out why muslims are offended when we make fun of them.

Explain to me why we need to get to "fanatics hearts" in the first place. Second, there are political cartoons all the time, but oddly, most of them don't involve bombings against civilians...which is well documented...It wasn't comedy, it was the fact that islam uses excuses to be murderers...it wasn't even a cartoon. Finally, you think I give a rats ass if they are offended after their behavior the last 20 years? Don't even ask me what should be done.

lets throw a jew off a hijacked jet....that was 30 years ago...WTC...Riots...they don't have a ****ing clue.

[DomCasual]

<B> CRUSADES </B>
Like I said, people make bad decisions, and they justify their bad decisions with religion.

I guess your one-word argument has to be based on an assumption that the Catholic church of that day was a religion, and not a political movement. Not saying anything about the current state of Catholicism, but the Catholic church was hardly a religion over the course of, say, about a thousand years. The common people were too ignorant to act as anything more than sheep, and that's the way the Catholic church preferred it. With corrupt or corruptable leadership, the church was a perfect vehicle to help drive all manner of evil.

[Popps]

I'm sorry, but I don't believe the way to fanatics hearts is by making fun of the thing that they care about most. These people live, breath and are willing to die for their Prophet and God and then we have a hard time figuring out why muslims are offended when we make fun of them.

Huh?

Who said we wanted "a way to their hearts." What is this, an after school special?

We want them to attempt to catch up with the rest of the civilized world, or at least try.

No one is "having a hard time figuring out" why they're offended. We're just having a hard time figuring out how a collective people can be that ignorant.

[Popps]

Drawing a caricature of a prophet deplicting what IS actually going on in the world is reason for burning, looting, destruction and killing people? Are you kidding?

Besides, it was actually pretty funny. The "we've run out of virgins" one was the best!

God forbid Muslims had a little sense of humor about things, and don't anyone start in with the "what if someone made jokes about Jesus or the Holocaust?"
There are a thousand jokes about each floating around in American culture.
You either laugh and deal with it, or ignore it.

Get over yourselves, Muslims. The rest of the world doesn't give a $#it.

[Rock Chalk]

Compared to what, Al Qaeda?
Perhaps I should have included sarcasm tags.

[Rock Chalk]

Osama Bin Laden has a university degree in civil engineering

not what u were looking for?:)

ok I giveup, Osama has a degree in something from Jedda but damn if I know what it is. take ur pick economics, management, civil engineering, public administration.
I wouldnt be surprised on the civil engineering. His family was in construction business and he worked in the business before becoming a raving lunatic.

[Rock Chalk]

11 Crusades. Sack of Constantinople didnt help things. For the muslims, they remember the crusades, be wise if we did, too.

:Broncos:
Be wise if people would remember the Muslims STARTED the ****ing Crusades by invading EUrope.

[Rock Chalk]

If you think all of the South has graciously accepted the ass-kicking from the civil war and moved on, you must live north of the line.
Ass kicking?

The north won, but there was no ass kicking going on. The north suffered heavy casualties and it was a terrible price to pay for this nation.

A Pyhhric(sp?) victory at best, but certainly not an ass kicking. Anytime you lose 50 thousand men in one battle, you didnt do any ass kicking. Sad sad times in American history. Ignorance and intolerance led to the loss of millions of Americans.

Now, what we did in WWII, that was an ass kicking. 500 K dead on our side, well over 50 million on the Axis powers dead.

[yavoon]

relatively speaking YES. it was only a few years ago . my point was we forgave and forgot and put it behind us. while some other cultures, would NOT have.
for example we dont even celebrate V E day or V J day anymore because its pointless. but dont the protestants celebrate "orange day"? some victory day over the catholics like 150 years ago?talk about crap just to stir up old hatred . for what?

"we" are the protestants(we being america)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Ass kicking?

The north won, but there was no ass kicking going on. The north suffered heavy casualties and it was a terrible price to pay for this nation.

A Pyhhric(sp?) victory at best, but certainly not an ass kicking. Anytime you lose 50 thousand men in one battle, you didnt do any ass kicking. Sad sad times in American history. Ignorance and intolerance led to the loss of millions of Americans.

Now, what we did in WWII, that was an ass kicking. 500 K dead on our side, well over 50 million on the Axis powers dead.

Yeah, probably not the best description since the North actually suffered more casualities than the South (about 700,000 total for the war).

[sirhcyennek81]

Christianity is a complete and total 180 from Islam, for this reason, the two faiths are at war, and have been since Moahammed "saw" an angel. I do not get why people tiptoe around muslims. I say something that pisses them off, or draw an idiotic cartoon, it should not start riots. Maturity of a faith is being demonstrated daily.

:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

Be wise if people would remember the Muslims STARTED the ****ing Crusades by invading EUrope.

Would be helpful, but you would still find some ass clown saying...well, europeans were mean to those poor arabs, so we deserve anything they do to us...I hate defeatist thinking. The arabs are parasitic on the west, not one major technological, cultural or commericial advancement has come from the middle east in the last 1000 years. If they did not have oil, or we decided to actually cultivate our own sources of it, these friggin people would be back to humping camels and eating sand.

:Broncos:

[broncocalijohn]

I'm sorry, but I don't believe the way to fanatics hearts is by making fun of the thing that they care about most. These people live, breath and are willing to die for their Prophet and God and then we have a hard time figuring out why muslims are offended when we make fun of them.


Are you kidding me? The cartoon is exactly showing them what they are about! A bounty, come on. The carton wasnt to please the nut jobs. It was to show that their religion is being hijacked by the extremist faction of their religion. When their leaders behave this way, the cartoon sticks. Face it, whil other religions 6 to 8 hundred years ago, were changing to include science and such to their communities, muslims stuck with archaic way of living in way of their religion. Now, we have our amish but nobody would compare them to the middle east. They learned our technology but for years they stayed their way and never evolved. They dont forgive and maybe all of us, muslims, other religion worshippers, agnostics and atheist will suffer for their fanatical way of life.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Tshirt Hell (http://www.tshirthell.com/muhammad.htm)has some funny stuff in reguards to this situation. The whole scenario is so friggin rediculous, it's unintentional comedic genious. These muslims needed a little foriegn exhchange student time in their formative years....

[RMT]

Christianity is a complete and total 180 from Islam, for this reason, the two faiths are at war, and have been since Moahammed "saw" an angel. I do not get why people tiptoe around muslims. I say something that pisses them off, or draw an idiotic cartoon, it should not start riots. Maturity of a faith is being demonstrated daily.

:Broncos:

Amen ...

[Bronx33]

Tshirt Hell (http://www.tshirthell.com/muhammad.htm)has some funny stuff in reguards to this situation. The whole scenario is so friggin rediculous, it's unintentional comedic genious. These muslims needed a little foriegn exhchange student time in their formative years....


They have affectively made their religion a joke, now they have to put a hit out on everybody even t-shirt manufactures. lol

[RMT]

Are you kidding me? The cartoon is exactly showing them what they are about! A bounty, come on. The carton wasnt to please the nut jobs. It was to show that their religion is being hijacked by the extremist faction of their religion. When their leaders behave this way, the cartoon sticks. Face it, whil other religions 6 to 8 hundred years ago, were changing to include science and such to their communities, muslims stuck with archaic way of living in way of their religion. Now, we have our amish but nobody would compare them to the middle east. They learned our technology but for years they stayed their way and never evolved. They dont forgive and maybe all of us, muslims, other religion worshippers, agnostics and atheist will suffer for their fanatical way of life.

Excellent points ... the truth hurts and the fact that anyone would get so defensive about the truth just goes to show how moronic those fanatics are. They are too stupid to see the light - it's like they are possessed (perhaps they are).

[Willynowei]

Damn the fact we live in the 21st century!

Why couldn't we just do some good ole' ethnice cleansing? that'll solve everything :)

[Bronx33]

Excellent points ... the truth hurts and the fact that anyone would get so defensive about the truth just goes to show how moronic those fanatics are. They are too stupid to see the light - it's like they are possessed (perhaps they are).

Now back to how to handle them and how they are being handled, i feel for the troops having to fight these stupid animals.

[RMT]

and civic groups complaing about "profiling" ... hmmm, I wonder who would become suspects in the U.S. if a Danish business were burned to the ground. As bad as profiling is made out to be, there are certain instances where it should be considered.

[Bronx33]

Damn the fact we live in the 21st century!

Why couldn't we just do some good ole' ethnice cleansing? that'll solve everything :)

If it were only that easy but they do act like a crazy dog that needs to be put down.

[Popps]

Iran's Foreign Minister Manushehr Mottaki reiterated a common position on Thursday, saying that "in order for the Danish government to mend its relations with the Islamic world and Muslim peoples, it should issue a formal apology."

Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has repeatedly rejected demands for an apology, saying the government cannot be held responsible for the actions of an independent newspaper. The paper itself has apologized for offending Muslims, but has stood by its decision to print the drawings, citing freedom of speech.

Amen and praise Allah. Gotta love Denmark telling them to go pound sand.

A formal apology from the government? Hilarious!

So, aside from stupid and barbaric, add egotistical to the list. Do these people really think that the rest of the world is going to throw it into reverse so we can backtrack to the middle ages with them?

Sorry, Muslims. The rest of the free world is living in places were people are actually free to practice multiple religions, or... (gasp)... not practice religion at all. We're even free to draw funny cartoons!

Wheeeeee! :yayaya:

[Bronx33]

Iran's Foreign Minister Manushehr Mottaki reiterated a common position on Thursday, saying that "in order for the Danish government to mend its relations with the Islamic world and Muslim peoples, it should issue a formal apology."

Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has repeatedly rejected demands for an apology, saying the government cannot be held responsible for the actions of an independent newspaper. The paper itself has apologized for offending Muslims, but has stood by its decision to print the drawings, citing freedom of speech.

Amen and praise Allah. Gotta love Denmark telling them to go pound sand.

A formal apology from the government? Hilarious!

So, aside from stupid and barbaric, add egotistical to the list. Do these people really think that the rest of the world is going to throw it into reverse so we can backtrack to the middle ages with them?

Sorry, Muslims. The rest of the free world is living in places were people are actually free to practice multiple religions, or... (gasp)... not practice religion at all. We're even free to draw funny cartoons!

Wheeeeee! :yayaya:


LMAO! Ummmmmm sorry your a candy a**ed muslim signed, denmark

[RMT]

It's great to see that we're not the only country with enough balls to fight stupidity.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It's great to see that we're not the only country with enough balls to fight stupidity.

Actually, our country is scared to publish the photos as are other countries.

[Bronx33]

Actually, our country is scared to publish the photos as are other countries.

I think they choose saving a few senseless murders and not publish them.

[RMT]

Actually, our country is scared to publish the photos as are other countries.

Well, I can understand why - that's why I didn't say we had balls to publish the photos but instead had the balls to fight stupidity. We've already put enough gas on the fire ... the last thing we need is something to fans the flames ...

[Popps]

Actually, our country is scared to publish the photos as are other countries.

Exactly. It's no problem printing pics of dudes with Fruit of the Looms on their heads, but can't print a cartoon? What... it's cool to put our soldiers in harm's way, but we can't upset some religious fanatics on the other side of the globe?

Can't have it both ways. Print it all, or don't print any of it.

[Bronx33]

Exactly. It's no problem printing pics of dudes with Fruit of the Looms on their heads, but can't print a cartoon? What... it's cool to put our soldiers in harm's way, but we can't upset some religious fanatics on the other side of the globe?

Can't have it both ways. Print it all, or don't print any of it.


Ok answer this, if your wife assuming you married was to die if those pictures were to be printed and you knew this before hand (would you allow the pictures to be printed) because like you said print it all or don't print any of it.

Would you still have them printed?

Because you making that decision on somebody elses life by printing them.

[yavoon]

Ok answer this, if your wife assuming you married was to die if those pictures were to be printed and you knew this before hand (would you allow the pictures to be printed) because like you said print it all or don't print any of it.

Would you still have them printed?

Because you making that decision on somebody elses life by printing them.

u both have a point. everyone in the west is scared, and probably rightfully so. so no1 wants to incur more wrath by pissing them off more.

that being said, appeasement is not a long term solution. The funniest thing in all of this is europe has been very big fence straddlers in the hope of not catching as much flak as the US when in reality it seems the muslims are perfectly content killing weak minded decadent euros.

[Popps]

Ok answer this, if your wife assuming you married was to die if those pictures were to be printed and you knew this before hand (would you allow the pictures to be printed) because like you said print it all or don't print any of it.

Would you still have them printed?

Because you making that decision on somebody elses life by printing them.

Wow.

What a horrifically invalid analogy.

You either have free press, or you don't. The public either has a right to know, or they don't. The only possible exception would be if it could possibly jeopardize our own military operations, and even then... the press has had little problem running those types of stories.

It's unforgivable the way our media has dropped the ball on this.

[RMT]

Wow.

What a horrifically invalid analogy.

You either have free press, or you don't. The public either has a right to know, or they don't. The only possible exception would be if it could possibly jeopardize our own military operations, and even then... the press has had little problem running those types of stories.

It's unforgivable the way our media has dropped the ball on this.

Our media is its own worst enemy and our country's biggest hypocrites. They won't go near the cartoon issue with a 10 YARD pole because they are afraid of being targeted. They view themselves as being impartial ... they are "selectively impartial."

[yavoon]

Our media is its own worst enemy and our country's biggest hypocrites. They won't go near the cartoon issue with a 10 YARD pole because they are afraid of being targeted. They view themselves as being impartial ... they are "selectively impartial."

meh I think the logic is pretty simple. they print them a bus gets blown up and in a lot of ppl's eyes they have just killed 30 ppl. now maybe u think its all good but I know there would be a lot of ppl who would take great exception to that occurance.

[RMT]

meh I think the logic is pretty simple. they print them a bus gets blown up and in a lot of ppl's eyes they have just killed 30 ppl. now maybe u think its all good but I know there would be a lot of ppl who would take great exception to that occurance.

I can see that point of view, too ... I guess then anything's game for the media as long as it won't cause terrorists to blow up Americans on our home soil. Other than that, the gloves are off ... better to offend the natives than the terrorists.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Well, I can understand why - that's why I didn't say we had balls to publish the photos but instead had the balls to fight stupidity. We've already put enough gas on the fire ... the last thing we need is something to fans the flames ...

Seems then our "free press" is being censored by religious radicals?

[RMT]

How many of you want to go on a killing rampage because of the cartoons?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,185329,00.html

[yavoon]

Seems then our "free press" is being censored by religious radicals?

well free press implies they can infact do what they want:). I dont think any free press institutions were violated so much as the press got spooked.

[RMT]

well free press implies they can infact do what they want:). I dont think any free press institutions were violated so much as the press got spooked.

I think things have gotten so extreme that we're seeing something that should have been true decades ago - responsible journalism. Our media tends to incite more than it reports. The media talks a lot about free press, but they often forget that they should be impartial. Anymore, that does not occur.

While I do believe in free press, I'm actually glad to see our media do something it RARELY does - show restraint.

[yavoon]

I think things have gotten so extreme that we're seeing something that should have been true decades ago - responsible journalism. Our media tends to incite more than it reports. The media talks a lot about free press, but they often forget that they should be impartial. Anymore, that does not occur.

While I do believe in free press, I'm actually glad to see our media do something it RARELY does - show restraint.

I think its more fear than restraint. idealogically I'd print them, because as I said, appeasement is not a long term solution.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I think its more fear than restraint. idealogically I'd print them, because as I said, appeasement is not a long term solution.
This is my view also. Why should we do what they say we have to do (not publish cartoons)?

[baja]

So I guess my idea of selling T shirts with this cartoon on them in the Pakistani airport might not fly.

[Rock Chalk]

Yeah, probably not the best description since the North actually suffered more casualities than the South (about 700,000 total for the war).
I didnt know exact numbers. I just knew that 50K died at Gettysburg alone, and Antietam was no better.

Terrible war with a terrible price. I knew it was greater than 500K since that's how many we lost in WWII and the Civil War still trumped it.

kinda got off topic anyway.

[Rock Chalk]

I think its more fear than restraint. idealogically I'd print them, because as I said, appeasement is not a long term solution.
I dont think its fear.

I think the media in this country has shown restraint for a number of reasons. One, there is already a big enough stir in the world over the cartoons. Two, there are American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan right now and the US publishing these cartoons will not make their job easier. No matter which way the media swings in this country, I think they are responsible enough to know that it's just not a good idea on behalf of our brave soldiers fighting over there. The media also shows much restraint in what it shows as far as the war. We just, in general, do not show dead human beings on the news. It goes against our societies sense of decency. To my knowledge it is not against the law, but it is generally not practiced in this country, unlike other countries.

Fear might have something to do with it but its not the main factor.

BTW, did you know that www.islamisevil.com is "For Sale". In other words, some guy went out and bought this domain name on the assumption that some fanatic anti-muslim would want to use it.

And you ask, "How do you know it is For Sale?" and I tell you because I wanted to buy the domain name. It is curious to note that www.mohammadwasapedophile.com is available for purchase :D.

[watermock]

Man...I'm glad I'm not a fighter pilot...I would of allready stuck a nuke up their sorry asses, against orders. It's time for a little revenge of our own, and I'm dead serious. I'm pissed.

These misguided morons just killed at least 15 christians in Nigieria and at least 15 Christian Churches were burned.

These idiots have been using manufactured pretexts to kill for almost two millenia..DAMN RIGHT IT'S THE NEW CRUSADES....

First thing we need to tell Iran what nuclear power is with the "climax" 30 MT Fusion bomb over Teheran...then we take on all comers.

Mock is fed up...I'm not playing the apologist in this game. A little package needs to be sent to get these cockroaches really going then we wipe them out. Sorry...we didn't start this fiasco...but we have the power to finish it, and we better do it while Bush is still in office...last thing we need is an appeaser at this time.

[SoCalBronco]

u both have a point. everyone in the west is scared, and probably rightfully so. so no1 wants to incur more wrath by pissing them off more.

that being said, appeasement is not a long term solution. The funniest thing in all of this is europe has been very big fence straddlers in the hope of not catching as much flak as the US when in reality it seems the muslims are perfectly content killing weak minded decadent euros.

very good point on europe, yavoon.

[watermock]

Bush isn't scared of these idiots...he is being prudent and hasn't pulled the trigger...I would of allready nuked Iran.

Then when they go ape shiat, we just take our carriers and wipe out the roaches...you think I'm kidding, I'm not.

[watermock]

Man...they got me pissed...they want a fight...dammit Bush...

oh wait...he's allready fighting the bastards...jesus...I'm so pissed I can't type.

I say launch the carrier jets and give them a beat down. I'm pissed off beyond belief.

[sirhcyennek81]

Incur wrath...how about this. I will post what I like, when I like. If i want to take a leak on a I love mohammed t shirt, and put it on the front page of the NY Times, I would do it. It would prove that we cant allow ourselves to be dictated to by tin pot dictators and islamofascists. Another thought...what if there are no moderate muslims?

:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

Europe being right there should be more prone to side with us. The British get this, the eastern europeans get this. I wonder if western europe has been bled out so many times in the last 200 years that the idea that more blood might need to be shed yet again to save western civilization makes them prefer dominance by islam.

:Broncos:

[Popps]

15 more idiots die...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060219/ap_on_re_af/nigeria_prophet_drawings

[Bronco_Beerslug]

15 more idiots die...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060219/ap_on_re_af/nigeria_prophet_drawings

This reads that the religious fanaticals killed christians, not good!

[Bronx33]

Wow.

What a horrifically invalid analogy.

You either have free press, or you don't. The public either has a right to know, or they don't. The only possible exception would be if it could possibly jeopardize our own military operations, and even then... the press has had little problem running those types of stories.

It's unforgivable the way our media has dropped the ball on this.


Nope it was a logical question only it envolves someone close to you which i noticed changed your tune.

[Bronx33]

Incur wrath...how about this. I will post what I like, when I like. If i want to take a leak on a I love mohammed t shirt, and put it on the front page of the NY Times, I would do it. It would prove that we cant allow ourselves to be dictated to by tin pot dictators and islamofascists. Another thought...what if there are no moderate muslims?

:Broncos:


Question is what is a moderate muslim and what do they do?

[sirhcyennek81]

If i knew that printing the cartoons or not printing them would lead to the death of a close relative, i would print them. The fact you placed value on a human life is a western virtue. we value life, the individual matters in the west. in the east, specifically the middle east it doesnt. what is one suicide bomber? he goes to paradise, and gets to bestow glory on his family and people. our freedoms of religion, press, assembly, worship, even the right to vote is not a common thing. these freedoms are worth dying for.

:Broncos:

[Bronx33]

This reads that the religious fanaticals killed christians, not good!



When fighting savages (which we have been) the rules change and people need to understand this, some bad shyt is going to go down but! (not by our request) does a rabid dog tell you how it want's to be put down? People will have to put there pink fluffy feelings aside if this evil is to be killed.

[Bronx33]

If i knew that printing the cartoons or not printing them would lead to the death of a close relative, i would print them. The fact you placed value on a human life is a western virtue. we value life, the individual matters in the west. in the east, specifically the middle east it doesnt. what is one suicide bomber? he goes to paradise, and gets to bestow glory on his family and people. our freedoms of religion, press, assembly, worship, even the right to vote is not a common thing. these freedoms are worth dying for.

:Broncos:


That was a tough decision but respect that you took the time to do so and thats what i was looking for with the original post.

[Bronx33]

My grandmother who was from kingslynn england whom is now deceased told me stories about living in england during hitlers bombings, she told me after time you have to put aside what you think is wrong and right and simple survive. She told me when seeing her neighbors blown to bits and helping to clean it up she came to the conclusion she would either go crazy or be strong and deal with it (which she did). People now days are soft and really don't know what hardship is and probably never will but with wars like this which kinda make people open those doors on there feelings, you can see what they are willing to do to accomplish those goals.My point is folks need to have tougher skins and see our emeny for what he is and except how he needs to be handled instead of complaining.

[RMT]

When fighting savages (which we have been) the rules change and people need to understand this, some bad shyt is going to go down but! (not by our request) does a rabid dog tell you how it want's to be put down? People will have to put there pink fluffy feelings aside if this evil is to be killed.

When talking about "people" the first "people" to come to mind that are part of the problem are the ACLU and liberal Democrats (and I'm an "independent"). This is war and one must choose sides. Does anyone in here disagree that the ACLU would vociferously defend an American Muslim for his/her right to "vent" in response to a stupid cartoon?

[watermock]

An Associated Press reporter saw mobs of Muslim protesters swarm through the city center with machetes, sticks and iron rods. One group threw a tire around a man, poured gas on him and set him ablaze.

[sirhcyennek81]

That was a tough decision but respect that you took the time to do so and thats what i was looking for with the original post.


Only tough when you realize what the alternative would be. Call me naive, but the "American Experiment" is the light of the world, unique in the course of world history, and worth defending.

:Broncos:

[watermock]

15 more idiots die...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060219/ap_on_re_af/nigeria_prophet_drawings

Tell me again what made these inocent Christians Idiots....

[RMT]

An Associated Press reporter saw mobs of Muslim protesters swarm through the city center with machetes, sticks and iron rods. One group threw a tire around a man, poured gas on him and set him ablaze.

Damn those cartoonists ... it's all their fault for the mayhem (sarcasm intended).

Anyone else disappointed/not surprised by the eerie silence by the Muslim community here in the United States? You either condemn it or support it by saying nothing. Where are those Muslim leaders? In a room plotting our demise?

[sirhcyennek81]

When talking about "people" the first "people" to come to mind that are part of the problem are the ACLU and liberal Democrats (and I'm an "independent"). This is war and one must choose sides. Does anyone in here disagree that the ACLU would vociferously defend an American Muslim for his/her right to "vent" in response to a stupid cartoon?

Venting is fine. Rioting and commiting murder and demanding societal change in scandinavian countries crosses the line.

:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

Damn those cartoonists ... it's all their fault for the mayhem (sarcasm intended).

Anyone else disappointed/not surprised by the eerie silence by the Muslim community here in the United States? You either condemn it or support it by saying nothing. Where are those Muslim leaders? In a room plotting our demise?

Once read that a muslim may not speak out against another muslim, because each muslim is akin to the pope, they are their own central authority on matters of their faith. if these ass clowns think rioting and killing christians and burning churches is what their faith is telling them, no other muslim may tell them otherwise.

:Broncos:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

When talking about "people" the first "people" to come to mind that are part of the problem are the ACLU and liberal Democrats (and I'm an "independent"). This is war and one must choose sides. Does anyone in here disagree that the ACLU would vociferously defend an American Muslim for his/her right to "vent" in response to a stupid cartoon?
No sorry, the ACLU would defend no one's right to commit crimes and murder.

[watermock]

There will be token displeasure about the violence but absolutely no accountability...trust me.

[yavoon]

When talking about "people" the first "people" to come to mind that are part of the problem are the ACLU and liberal Democrats (and I'm an "independent"). This is war and one must choose sides. Does anyone in here disagree that the ACLU would vociferously defend an American Muslim for his/her right to "vent" in response to a stupid cartoon?

the ACLU would defend the cartoonist.

[Bronx33]

Only tough when you realize what the alternative would be. Call me naive, but the "American Experiment" is the light of the world, unique in the course of world history, and worth defending.

:Broncos:


Exactly! folks are going have to change the way they think and come to the conclusion it's not all puppy dog and fluffy bunnies bad **** happens and bad sh1t needs to be done to preserve our way of life.Some say that is BS so all i have to say is move the fu** over there and see how long you last.

[watermock]

the ACLU would defend the cartoonist.

Well after all the murder that would be the PC, but your so far off of reality again and again...

This isn't an american issue...when did the ACLU get involved in cartoons in Europe? The first word says American.

[watermock]

the ACLU would defend the cartoonist.

How do you know that? Who knows what that nutgroup would say...maybe they violated the civil rights of Mohammed! That place is so polluted with nut cases it's impossible to say which way they would stumble around ...

[yavoon]

How do you know that? Who knows what that nutgroup would say...maybe they violated the civil rights of Mohammed! That place is so polluted with nut cases it's impossible to say which way they would stumble around ...

they would defend the cartoonist because they are rabid freedom of speech defenders.

[watermock]

they would defend the cartoonist because they are rabid freedom of speech defenders.

Well they have been noticably quiet havent they...
http://www.aclu.org/

Not even mentioned you dimwit.

[yavoon]

Well they have been noticably quiet havent they...
http://www.aclu.org/

Not even mentioned you dimwit.

maybe its because they are paid to defend americans. had they to take sides tho it would nto be a question which side they would be on.

[watermock]

Then why are you talking about the ACLU defending a Dutch cartoonist?

Lord never mind.

[yavoon]

Then why are you talking about the ACLU defending a Dutch cartoonist?

Lord never mind.

I'm saying they would be on the dutch cartoonist's side idealogically, which should be self evident.

[watermock]

Once again you divereted the thread to your own agenda...

Look you moron...this is about Muslim violence...take your ritalin.

[yavoon]

Once again you divereted the thread to your own agenda...

Look you moron...this is about Muslim violence...take your ritalin.

haha

[watermock]

I'm saying they would be on the dutch cartoonist's side idealogically, which should be self evident.

Go to their webiste and try to find a single comment on this fiasco then...I didn't bring up the ACLU...you did...so go to their site I allready posted and see how silent they are about this

[epicSocialism4tw]

15 more idiots die...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060219/ap_on_re_af/nigeria_prophet_drawings

"Most of the dead were Christians beaten to death on the streets by the rioters," Ezeoke said. Witnesses said three children and a priest were among those killed.

This is awful. :(

This goes on every day in many countries around the world. Anyone that knows Sudanese people has heard these types of stories for years. The torture and death that these people endure is common. Every African refugee I know has been affected personally by these types of things. We're talking about brothers being tortured together and killed in front of each other by milita men with machetes. Systematic torture terrorist-style.

[RMT]

the ACLU would defend the cartoonist.

And the plethora of Muslims crying out about "profiling" ... that would be novel ... the ACLU defending BOTH parties in a lawsuit.

[Maximus]

I'm sorry, but I don't believe the way to fanatics hearts is by making fun of the thing that they care about most. These people live, breath and are willing to die for their Prophet and God and then we have a hard time figuring out why muslims are offended when we make fun of them.

F*** them and their so called prophet.

[yavoon]

And the plethora of Muslims crying out about "profiling" ... that would be novel ... the ACLU defending BOTH parties in a lawsuit.

they would indeed defend both instances, but it wouldn't be a single lawsuit.

[RMT]

they would indeed defend both instances, but it wouldn't be a single lawsuit.

I was being sarcastic.

[yavoon]

I was being sarcastic.

ruh roh!
=]

[Bronx33]

15 more idiots die...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060219/ap_on_re_af/nigeria_prophet_drawings


Idiots? seems to me they were attacked and killed by idiots.


"Most of the dead were Christians beaten to death on the streets by the rioters

[watermock]

We Are The Ones Who Should Be In Outrage

[watermock]

My hands are literally shaking I'm so pissed...I don't want my only son to go into the Air Firce to be a pilot, which he would be an ace, but damn...at 46 I wouldn't mind taking a few out with a tank...

I'm more pissed than after 9/11.

[Bronx33]

My hands are literally shaking I'm so pissed...I don't want my only son to go into the Air Firce to be a pilot, which he would be an ace, but damn...at 46 I wouldn't mind taking a few out with a tank...

I'm more pissed than after 9/11.



If my son wanted to go stop this kind of wrong doing i would back him 100% listen to him mock not yourself plus they would let you near a tank.

[watermock]

Who cares what you think.

[Bronx33]

Who cares what you think.

Go to bed you hard a**.

[Popps]

Tell me again what made these inocent Christians Idiots....

Yep, my bad. Re-read the article. On my first scan, I mis-read it that the protesters were killed in clash with riot police. (Which has been the norm until this particular riot.)

Like I said, imagine someone so deranged, they kill a child over a cartoon.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yep, my bad. Re-read the article. On my first scan, I mis-read it that the protesters were killed in clash with riot police. (Which has been the norm until this particular riot.)

Like I said, imagine someone so deranged, they kill a child over a cartoon.

Three children and a priest.

[TomServo]

Three children and a priest.

and no rioting anywhere over that. imagine if a muslim cleric and three muslim children were killed like that in america? lynched is a more appropriate word.

and my north south grudge analogy? i stand by it. yes lottsa southerners call it the "war of northern aggression".and still hate "yankees" but how many H S kids from georgia or tennesse can give the date of the battle of gettysburgh? or the the date of the appomatix surrender? Hell how many hs school kids can date pearl harbor even if you spot them the december and the 12th? a good muslim however can give a date from battles hundreds of years ago.

[sirhcyennek81]

December 7, 1941

april 12, 1865

July 1-3, 1863.

did'nt have to look it up, either.

:Broncos:

[Hogan11]

Fvck it, I'm going to Mardi Gras.

[TomServo]

December 7, 1941

april 12, 1865

July 1-3, 1863.

did'nt have to look it up, either.
I meant any typical HS kid, not us zealots on the bronco board.
__________________

[Rausch]

We Are The Ones Who Should Be In Outrage


"Strangers passing in the street
By chance two separate glances meet
And I am you and what I see is me..."

[TomServo]

i'll just subscribe to dennis millers definition of a moderate arab: one who only holds a grudge for six genererations

[Bronco_Beerslug]

So now the Danes are sorry they upset anyone where before they couldn't apoligize for freedom of speech.

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Saudi papers publish Danish paper's cartoon apology
Sun Feb 19, 6:20 AM ET

RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabian newspapers on Sunday printed an apology by the Danish paper whose cartoons lampooning the Prophet Mohammad have sparked deadly protests around the world.

"Allow me in the name of Jyllands-Posten to apologize for what happened and declare my strong condemnation of any step that attacks specific religions, ethnic groups and peoples. I hope that with this I have removed the misunderstanding," wrote Carsten Juste, the editor of Jyllands-Posten.

The full-page advertisements appeared in Asharq al-Awsat, which is printed around the Arab world, as well as the local al-Riyadh and al-Jazira.

They were dated February 5, but an advertising spokesman at al-Riyadh said it may have taken time for the papers, which are close to the government, to approve the announcement.

In recent days, 16 people have died in Nigeria and 11 in Libya during violent protests against cartoons published by the Danish paper last September and since republished in several, mainly European papers.

The global uproar over the cartoons came after Saudi Arabia recalled its ambassador from Denmark last month in response to pressure from clerics and a popular campaign against Danish products in the kingdom, the site of Islam's holiest shrines.

"It is extremely important to point out that the aim behind these cartoons was not to attack the Prophet at all or devalue him, but as an opening to dialogue on freedom of expression," Sunday's apology said.

"We did not realize at the time how sensitive this issue was for Muslims in Denmark or millions of Muslims around the world."

The adverts included a previously published statement from the Danish embassy in Riyadh declaring respect for Islam.
http://tinyurl.com/8gvx8

[watermock]

So they think this sign of weakeness will appease them?

This will be met with silence.

Spain down, now Dutch down...

grow some balls you wimps.

[watermock]

And why id the goverment making an apology for a private cartoonist?

[baja]

Looks to me like the world is inching closer and closer to an atomic Crusade, should whittle world population down to a manageable 3.5 billion.

[watermock]

this is so chicken shiat it makes me want to vomit.

[watermock]

Looks to me like the world is inching closer and closer to an atomic Crusade, should whittle world population down to a manageable 3.5 billion.


With 2 billion in China.

[baja]

Factor out technology and the only thing that has changed in 5000 years is fashion and that cycles.

[baja]

With 2 billion in China.

Hope you like rice.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

So where are the "real" Muslims of the world who say they don't believe in violence, or is there such a thing?

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Muslims Assault U.S. Embassy in Indonesia
By ALI KOTARUMALOS, Associated Press Writer 7 minutes ago

JAKARTA, Indonesia - Hundreds of Muslims protesting caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad tried to storm the U.S. Embassy on Sunday, smashing the windows of a guard post but failing to push through the gates. Several people were injured.

Pakistani security forces, meanwhile, sealed off the capital of Islamabad to block a planned mass demonstration and fired tear gas and gunshots to chase off protesters. In Turkey, tens of thousands gathered in Istanbul chanting slogans against Denmark,
Israel and the United States.

Protests over the cartoons, which first appeared in a Danish newspaper in September and have been republished in other European publications and elsewhere, have swept across the Muslim world, growing into mass outlets for rage against the West in general, and Israel and the United States in particular.

Christians also have become targets. Pakistani Muslims protesting in the southern city of Sukkur ransacked and burned a church Sunday after hearing accusations that a Christian man had burned pages of the Quran, Islam's holy book.

That incident came a day after Muslims protesting in the Nigerian city of Maiduguri attacked Christians and burned 15 churches in a three-hour rampage that killed at least 15 people. Some 30 other people have died during protests over the cartoons that erupted about three weeks ago.

In Jakarta, about 400 people marched to the heavily fortified U.S. mission in the center of the city, behind a banner reading "We are ready to attack the enemies of the Prophet."

Protesters throwing stones and brandishing wooden staves tried to break through the gates. They set fire to U.S. flags and a poster of
President Bush and smashed the windows of a guard outpost before dispersing after a few minutes.

The U.S. Embassy called the attacks deplorable, describing them as acts of "thuggery."

A protest organizer said the West, and particularly the United States, is attacking Islam.

"They want to destroy Islam through the issue of terrorism ... and all those things are engineered by the United States," said Maksuni, who only uses one name.

"We are fighting America fiercely this time," he said. "And we also are fighting Denmark."
(CONTINUED)
http://tinyurl.com/8d4fn

[Bronx33]

So where are the "real" Muslims of the world who say they don't believe in violence, or is there such a thing?

------------------------------------------------------------
Muslims Assault U.S. Embassy in Indonesia
By ALI KOTARUMALOS, Associated Press Writer 7 minutes ago

JAKARTA, Indonesia - Hundreds of Muslims protesting caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad tried to storm the U.S. Embassy on Sunday, smashing the windows of a guard post but failing to push through the gates. Several people were injured.

Pakistani security forces, meanwhile, sealed off the capital of Islamabad to block a planned mass demonstration and fired tear gas and gunshots to chase off protesters. In Turkey, tens of thousands gathered in Istanbul chanting slogans against Denmark,
Israel and the United States.

Protests over the cartoons, which first appeared in a Danish newspaper in September and have been republished in other European publications and elsewhere, have swept across the Muslim world, growing into mass outlets for rage against the West in general, and Israel and the United States in particular.

Christians also have become targets. Pakistani Muslims protesting in the southern city of Sukkur ransacked and burned a church Sunday after hearing accusations that a Christian man had burned pages of the Quran, Islam's holy book.

That incident came a day after Muslims protesting in the Nigerian city of Maiduguri attacked Christians and burned 15 churches in a three-hour rampage that killed at least 15 people. Some 30 other people have died during protests over the cartoons that erupted about three weeks ago.

In Jakarta, about 400 people marched to the heavily fortified U.S. mission in the center of the city, behind a banner reading "We are ready to attack the enemies of the Prophet."

Protesters throwing stones and brandishing wooden staves tried to break through the gates. They set fire to U.S. flags and a poster of
President Bush and smashed the windows of a guard outpost before dispersing after a few minutes.

The U.S. Embassy called the attacks deplorable, describing them as acts of "thuggery."

A protest organizer said the West, and particularly the United States, is attacking Islam.

"They want to destroy Islam through the issue of terrorism ... and all those things are engineered by the United States," said Maksuni, who only uses one name.

"We are fighting America fiercely this time," he said. "And we also are fighting Denmark."
(CONTINUED)
http://tinyurl.com/8d4fn


I think they are called moderates but iam not really sure if they exist.

[yavoon]

u ever think we're the romans turning our noses up at the invasions of the barbarians?

[RMT]

So where are the "real" Muslims of the world who say they don't believe in violence, or is there such a thing?

------------------------------------------------------------
Muslims Assault U.S. Embassy in Indonesia
By ALI KOTARUMALOS, Associated Press Writer 7 minutes ago

JAKARTA, Indonesia - Hundreds of Muslims protesting caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad tried to storm the U.S. Embassy on Sunday, smashing the windows of a guard post but failing to push through the gates. Several people were injured.

Pakistani security forces, meanwhile, sealed off the capital of Islamabad to block a planned mass demonstration and fired tear gas and gunshots to chase off protesters. In Turkey, tens of thousands gathered in Istanbul chanting slogans against Denmark,
Israel and the United States.

Protests over the cartoons, which first appeared in a Danish newspaper in September and have been republished in other European publications and elsewhere, have swept across the Muslim world, growing into mass outlets for rage against the West in general, and Israel and the United States in particular.

Christians also have become targets. Pakistani Muslims protesting in the southern city of Sukkur ransacked and burned a church Sunday after hearing accusations that a Christian man had burned pages of the Quran, Islam's holy book.

That incident came a day after Muslims protesting in the Nigerian city of Maiduguri attacked Christians and burned 15 churches in a three-hour rampage that killed at least 15 people. Some 30 other people have died during protests over the cartoons that erupted about three weeks ago.

In Jakarta, about 400 people marched to the heavily fortified U.S. mission in the center of the city, behind a banner reading "We are ready to attack the enemies of the Prophet."

Protesters throwing stones and brandishing wooden staves tried to break through the gates. They set fire to U.S. flags and a poster of
President Bush and smashed the windows of a guard outpost before dispersing after a few minutes.

The U.S. Embassy called the attacks deplorable, describing them as acts of "thuggery."

A protest organizer said the West, and particularly the United States, is attacking Islam.

"They want to destroy Islam through the issue of terrorism ... and all those things are engineered by the United States," said Maksuni, who only uses one name.

"We are fighting America fiercely this time," he said. "And we also are fighting Denmark."
(CONTINUED)
http://tinyurl.com/8d4fn

Exactly ... their silence speaks volumes. Now all we have to do is wait for the Muslim community to apologize for the needless violence over the past week ... yeah, like that will ever happen.

[Bronx33]

Exactly ... their silence speaks volumes. Now all we have to do is wait for the Muslim community to apologize for the needless violence over the past week ... yeah, like that will ever happen.


In fact i will demand an apology!

[Popps]

In Jakarta, about 400 people marched to the heavily fortified U.S. mission in the center of the city, behind a banner reading "We are ready to attack the enemies of the Prophet."

****ing savages. Seriously.

Oh well, looks like the newspaper took a lead from our chicken**** newspapers and ran scared. I guess now these guys can get back to business as usual... abusing their women, chopping off people's fingers, etc.

[Bronx33]

In Jakarta, about 400 people marched to the heavily fortified U.S. mission in the center of the city, behind a banner reading "We are ready to attack the enemies of the Prophet."

****ing savages. Seriously.

Oh well, looks like the newspaper took a lead from our chicken**** newspapers and ran scared. I guess now these guys can get back to business as usual... abusing their women, chopping off people's fingers, etc.



Ahhhhhhhhhh good old wholesome islamics..

[Popps]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060219/ap_on_re_as/prophet_drawings

I also love how these dumbasses raid OUR embassy to protest an article that appeared in a Danish newspaper. Huh?

Somewhere, Allah is watching these morons... shaking his head in disbelief.

[Bronx33]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060219/ap_on_re_as/prophet_drawings

I also love how these dumbasses raid OUR embassy to protest an article that appeared in a Danish newspaper. Huh?

Somewhere, Allah is watching these morons... shaking his head in disbelief.

They don't care about nothing just a mindless ignorant pack of idiots on a rampage.

[yavoon]

Koran 17:16-17
When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet transgress; so that Allah's word is proved true against them: then we destroy them utterly. How many generations have we destroyed after Noah? And enough is thy Lord to note and see the Sins of his servants

[RMT]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060219/ap_on_re_as/prophet_drawings

I also love how these dumbasses raid OUR embassy to protest an article that appeared in a Danish newspaper. Huh?

Somewhere, Allah is watching these morons... shaking his head in disbelief.

What do you mean somewhere, we all know where he is ... looking up :devil:

[Bronx33]

Will just ONE intelligent muslim PLEASE STAND UP!!!!

[RMT]

In fact i will demand an apology!

Perhaps the only way to garner one is to start killing Muslims, burning their mosques, and raiding their terrorist camps. What are we waiting for?

[RMT]

Will just ONE intelligent muslim PLEASE STAND UP!!!!

Based on recent events, "intelligent muslim" seems to be an oxymoron. I know that's a generalization but where are the muslims opposing the violence?

[Bronx33]

Based on recent events, "intelligent muslim" seems to be an oxymoron. I know that's a generalization but where are the muslims opposing the violence?

Exactly..but i think the fanatics have that under control as well wuth the fear factor, if someone was to speak out against it they would surely be a target to be killed. Fanatics motto is (it's our way or the highway)

[RMT]

Exactly..but i think the fanatics have that under control as well wuth the fear factor, if someone was to speak out against it they would surely be a target to be killed. Fanatics motto is (it's our way or the highway)

I'll go one step further ... their motto really is "it's our way or death." That looks like a one way street.

[Bronx33]

I'll go one step further ... their motto really is "it's our way or death." That looks like a one way street.


Were probably being targeted for this conversation.....lol.

[Bronx33]

Update on the savages...

Paris: Gang suspected of killing Jew nabbed

Here is a typical example of how crimes of this nature, happening all across Europe, are being reported. The fact that Muslims are involved is not revealed until the last sentence in the interview with the family, long after most people have stopped reading. This is from Ynet, with thanks to Hugh.

The French police arrested 13 people on suspicion of kidnapping, torturing and murdering Ilan Halimi, a 23-year-old Parisian Jew.

Halimi was found on Monday tied to a tree, naked and wounded, with burns covering all parts of his body. He died on the way to the hospital.

Police officials said that the abduction and murder were apparently not motivated by anti-Semitism, but added that they have not yet discovered what led the group to commit the acts...

Then, way down at the end of the article:

Despite the police's doubts, Halimi's family believes that the act was motivated by anti-Semitism.

“We think there is anti-Semitism in this affair,” Rafi, Ilan’s brother-in-law, told the European Jewish Press. ”First because the killers tried to kidnap at least two other Jews, and secondly because of what they said on the phone."

”When we said we didn’t have Euro 500,000 to give them, they answered we should go to the synagogue and get it,” Rafi stressed.

“They also recited verses from the Koran. We didn’t know what they were saying but the police told us," he said.

[RMT]

Update on the savages...

Paris: Gang suspected of killing Jew nabbed

Here is a typical example of how crimes of this nature, happening all across Europe, are being reported. The fact that Muslims are involved is not revealed until the last sentence in the interview with the family, long after most people have stopped reading. This is from Ynet, with thanks to Hugh.

The French police arrested 13 people on suspicion of kidnapping, torturing and murdering Ilan Halimi, a 23-year-old Parisian Jew.

Halimi was found on Monday tied to a tree, naked and wounded, with burns covering all parts of his body. He died on the way to the hospital.

Police officials said that the abduction and murder were apparently not motivated by anti-Semitism, but added that they have not yet discovered what led the group to commit the acts...

Then, way down at the end of the article:

Despite the police's doubts, Halimi's family believes that the act was motivated by anti-Semitism.

“We think there is anti-Semitism in this affair,” Rafi, Ilan’s brother-in-law, told the European Jewish Press. ”First because the killers tried to kidnap at least two other Jews, and secondly because of what they said on the phone."

”When we said we didn’t have Euro 500,000 to give them, they answered we should go to the synagogue and get it,” Rafi stressed.

“They also recited verses from the Koran. We didn’t know what they were saying but the police told us," he said.

Damn Muslims ...

[RMT]

The absurdity of the Muslim conduct over some silly set of cartoons published LAST September is beyond belief. They are taking it out on anyone and everyone who is NOT a Muslim, whether they had anything to do with the cartoons or not.

The Muslim community in the United States has been silent. So, apparently they are in support of the asinine behavior on display around the world.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Koran 17:16-17
When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet transgress; so that Allah's word is proved true against them: then we destroy them utterly. How many generations have we destroyed after Noah? And enough is thy Lord to note and see the Sins of his servants

This verse is echoed by the generations of tribes in North Africa and Mesopotamia that slaughtered each other with no refrian.

We are just getting acquainted with their way of life.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Update on the savages...

Paris: Gang suspected of killing Jew nabbed

Here is a typical example of how crimes of this nature, happening all across Europe, are being reported. The fact that Muslims are involved is not revealed until the last sentence in the interview with the family, long after most people have stopped reading. This is from Ynet, with thanks to Hugh.

The French police arrested 13 people on suspicion of kidnapping, torturing and murdering Ilan Halimi, a 23-year-old Parisian Jew.

Halimi was found on Monday tied to a tree, naked and wounded, with burns covering all parts of his body. He died on the way to the hospital.

Police officials said that the abduction and murder were apparently not motivated by anti-Semitism, but added that they have not yet discovered what led the group to commit the acts...

Then, way down at the end of the article:

Despite the police's doubts, Halimi's family believes that the act was motivated by anti-Semitism.

“We think there is anti-Semitism in this affair,” Rafi, Ilan’s brother-in-law, told the European Jewish Press. ”First because the killers tried to kidnap at least two other Jews, and secondly because of what they said on the phone."

”When we said we didn’t have Euro 500,000 to give them, they answered we should go to the synagogue and get it,” Rafi stressed.

“They also recited verses from the Koran. We didn’t know what they were saying but the police told us," he said.

Not surprising.

Im surprised that blatant racism wasnt written into the article. Europe is severely racist.

[Bronx33]

The absurdity of the Muslim conduct over some silly set of cartoons published LAST September is beyond belief. They are taking it out on anyone and everyone who is NOT a Muslim, whether they had anything to do with the cartoons or not.

The Muslim community in the United States has been silent. So, apparently they are in support of the asinine behavior on display around the world.


I guess they really don't care about having black eyes these acts are going to push the power back over to the americans and the war.

[RMT]

I guess they really don't care about having black eyes these acts are going to push the power back over to the americans and the war.

Let's hope so.

[Bronx33]

Let's hope so.

Who else has stood up to these savages? maybe the world will get a clue and see what potential these savages have to kill and if left unchecked what would they be doing. (That thought right there scares the he11 outa me)

[RMT]

Who else has stood up to these savages? maybe the world will get a clue and see what potential these savages have to kill and if left unchecked what would they be doing. (That thought right there scares the he11 outa me)

Me, too, Bronx ... I'm deeply troubled by this behavior. It seems that we're all expected to cowtow to these possessed monsters. There will come a day of reckoning for them; it just may not be while they are on this earth - but, there will be a day ... :devil:

Mind you, I'm NOT judging. By their own behavior they are judging themselves. Boy, are they going to be SORELY disappointed.

[sirhcyennek81]

Consider, the first enemy the US fought, as an independent, free nation, were the Barbary Pirates of the north african coast. The french, british, ottomans and everyone else PAID these fools for the rights to sail through the Med unmolested. They impressed our sailors, destroyed our ships and made war on our commerce. We ground them into dust. This is not some new enemy we are fighting, but an old one. The fact these assclowns went ballistic over 5 month old cartoons reenforces my belief that islam, as a whole, is insane, and needs to be combated.

:Broncos:

[manchambo]

So where are the "real" Muslims of the world who say they don't believe in violence, or is there such a thing?

------------------------------------------------------------
Muslims Assault U.S. Embassy in Indonesia
By ALI KOTARUMALOS, Associated Press Writer 7 minutes ago

JAKARTA, Indonesia - Hundreds of Muslims protesting caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad tried to storm the U.S. Embassy on Sunday, smashing the windows of a guard post but failing to push through the gates. Several people were injured.

Pakistani security forces, meanwhile, sealed off the capital of Islamabad to block a planned mass demonstration and fired tear gas and gunshots to chase off protesters. In Turkey, tens of thousands gathered in Istanbul chanting slogans against Denmark,
Israel and the United States.

Protests over the cartoons, which first appeared in a Danish newspaper in September and have been republished in other European publications and elsewhere, have swept across the Muslim world, growing into mass outlets for rage against the West in general, and Israel and the United States in particular.

Christians also have become targets. Pakistani Muslims protesting in the southern city of Sukkur ransacked and burned a church Sunday after hearing accusations that a Christian man had burned pages of the Quran, Islam's holy book.

That incident came a day after Muslims protesting in the Nigerian city of Maiduguri attacked Christians and burned 15 churches in a three-hour rampage that killed at least 15 people. Some 30 other people have died during protests over the cartoons that erupted about three weeks ago.

In Jakarta, about 400 people marched to the heavily fortified U.S. mission in the center of the city, behind a banner reading "We are ready to attack the enemies of the Prophet."

Protesters throwing stones and brandishing wooden staves tried to break through the gates. They set fire to U.S. flags and a poster of
President Bush and smashed the windows of a guard outpost before dispersing after a few minutes.

The U.S. Embassy called the attacks deplorable, describing them as acts of "thuggery."

A protest organizer said the West, and particularly the United States, is attacking Islam.

"They want to destroy Islam through the issue of terrorism ... and all those things are engineered by the United States," said Maksuni, who only uses one name.

"We are fighting America fiercely this time," he said. "And we also are fighting Denmark."
(CONTINUED)
http://tinyurl.com/8d4fn

Where were the "real" Broncos or Avalanche fans when some rioted after their respective world championships?

It would piss me off to have those idiots' actions attributed to me almost as much as I would think it pisses regular muslims off to have these nitwits' actions attributed to them.

[sirhcyennek81]

Where were the "real" Broncos or Avalanche fans when some rioted after their respective world championships?

It would piss me off to have those idiots' actions attributed to me almost as much as I would think it pisses regular muslims off to have these nitwits' actions attributed to them.

Find me a "regular muslim".

:Broncos:

[Bronx33]

Where were the "real" Broncos or Avalanche fans when some rioted after their respective world championships?

It would piss me off to have those idiots' actions attributed to me almost as much as I would think it pisses regular muslims off to have these nitwits' actions attributed to them.


I didn't codone it and how can you even use that as an analogy? i don't think and avs or broncos fan would kill another fan for speaking out.

[RMT]

Where were the "real" Broncos or Avalanche fans when some rioted after their respective world championships?

It would piss me off to have those idiots' actions attributed to me almost as much as I would think it pisses regular muslims off to have these nitwits' actions attributed to them.

There's a big difference between "riot" and "kill."

[sirhcyennek81]

I didn't codone it and how can you even use that as an analogy? i don't think and avs or broncos fan would kill another fan for speaking out.

Analogy doesnt fit. Being a fan of the aves or broncos is not the same as being a member of a homicidal religion. Last I checked, the Broncos media guide does not say go forth and slay the infidel.

:Broncos:

[manchambo]

Find me a "regular muslim".

:Broncos:
Well, there are over a billion of them, and I don't believe you or I know the first thing about what the vast majority think. We do know what the true nutbags think. But I don't think assuming that they are all like that has much more validity than assuming all Americans are like Timothy McVeigh.

[manchambo]

I didn't codone it and how can you even use that as an analogy? i don't think and avs or broncos fan would kill another fan for speaking out.

The point is you can't take the actions of some small percentage of a group and attribute them to everyone in that group.

[manchambo]

Analogy doesnt fit. Being a fan of the aves or broncos is not the same as being a member of a homicidal religion. Last I checked, the Broncos media guide does not say go forth and slay the infidel.

:Broncos:
Have you ever noticed that the Bible says the same and worse?

The problem is not the religion, it is the application by extremists. Mormons are just as nutty, just not as mean.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Where were the "real" Broncos or Avalanche fans when some rioted after their respective world championships?

It would piss me off to have those idiots' actions attributed to me almost as much as I would think it pisses regular muslims off to have these nitwits' actions attributed to them.

This behavior defines the group as a whole. You can argue that pie-in-the-sky ideals exist out there in modern Islamic society, but are they being practiced at all? It appears not because with every insane act, the major public figures of Islam fuel the fire more. They not only arent policing their own people, but they are inciting more violence and exacerbating the situation. In America, people have incentive to behave in a fashion that keeps them in positive relations with other people groups. It's not that way in North Africa and the middle east. It's a constant physical struggle for power that disregards morality and any type of social ethics. Islam is a fraud built by a fraud.

[RMT]

Well, there are over a billion of them, and I don't believe you or I know the first thing about what the vast majority think. We do know what the true nutbags think. But I don't think assuming that they are all like that has much more validity than assuming all Americans are like Timothy McVeigh.

One of the reasons we "don't ... know the first things about what the vast majority (of "regular muslims") think" is because they are being conspicuously silent ... and to me, silence speaks VOLUMES.

[yavoon]

The point is you can't take the actions of some small percentage of a group and attribute them to everyone in that group.

its always going to be like that. u expect 600 million ppl to do something violent tomorrow? no. and that has never happened in the history of humanity for a group that large.

[sirhcyennek81]

Have you ever noticed that the Bible says the same and worse?

The problem is not the religion, it is the application by extremists. Mormons are just as nutty, just not as mean.

In this OT, yes. NT, no. No Christian sits and ignores the NT for the sake of the OT. Also, Old Testament is a document with a 4,000 year history. What muslims are doing NOW was the norm THEN. One billion muslims, every single one of them unable to speak out against any other, a suicidal faith that will drag the rest of humanity into world war. But yeah, tell me again how much rioting bronco fans are the same as rioters over a cartoon.

:Broncos:

[yavoon]

Have you ever noticed that the Bible says the same and worse?

The problem is not the religion, it is the application by extremists. Mormons are just as nutty, just not as mean.

oh dont hate on mormons.

[manchambo]

its always going to be like that. u expect 600 million ppl to do something violent tomorrow? no. and that has never happened in the history of humanity for a group that large.

So the Broncos riots are indicative of your beliefs.

[yavoon]

So the Broncos riots are indicative of your beliefs.

I'm just saying the proof ur looking for doesn't exist, and has never existed. and saying that its not true because something that has never happened isnt happening is silly.

[sirhcyennek81]

Ever notice that Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, ancestor worship, et al is in constant conflict with Islam? I suppose the other faith's deserved it tho.

:Broncos:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Ever notice that Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, ancestor worship, et al is in constant conflict with Islam? I suppose the other faith's deserved it tho.

:Broncos:
The Qu'ran is implicit with it's intentions towards "infidels." They can be lied to, cheated, stolen from, tortured, and killed without regard. They are less than human to Muhammed and his confused power-starved descendants.

[manchambo]

I'm just saying the proof ur looking for doesn't exist, and has never existed. and saying that its not true because something that has never happened isnt happening is silly.

That's about as backwards as you can get. I won't assume that someone is a certain way because I can't prove that they aren't. On that basis I'd have to assume you are 7 feet tall and purple.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

So the Broncos riots are indicative of your beliefs.

What kind of idiotic take is this? Most people did say these were idiots causing trouble. Did it last for weeks and weeks, burning embassies, offering 1 million dollar death bounties and killing dozens of people?

[sirhcyennek81]

The Qu'ran is implicit with it's intentions towards "infidels." They can be lied to, cheated, stolen from, tortured, and killed without regard. They are less than human to Muhammed and his confused power-starved descendants.

I thought so. Course, depending on who you ask, everything evil in the world is Christianity's fault. Damn those peace loving christians...


:Broncos:

[yavoon]

That's about as backwards as you can get. I won't assume that someone is a certain way because I can't prove that they aren't. On that basis I'd have to assume you are 7 feet tall and purple.

well u could try reading the koran. most of the "extremists" are following the koran pretty accurately.

[sirhcyennek81]

I doubt "moderate, regular, normal" muslims exist. The silence of this great mass of people says more then any lamentation of the violence.

:Broncos:

[RMT]

So the Broncos riots are indicative of your beliefs.

I thought this thread was about "actions" and "behavior" not "beliefs" :kiddingme

[RMT]

I doubt "moderate, regular, normal" muslims exist. The silence of this great mass of people says more then any lamentation of the violence.

:Broncos:

exactly!

[epicSocialism4tw]

I doubt "moderate, regular, normal" muslims exist. The silence of this great mass of people says more then any lamentation of the violence.

:Broncos:

They were silent after 9/11 and they still havent spoken. I guess that they never will.

[RMT]

They were silent after 9/11 and they still havent spoken. I guess that they never will.

Ain't that the truth, but if anyone says/prints anything negative about the Muslim faith they come out in droves. What's worse is when they bring up the word "profiling." There's a reason why Muslims are targeted as terrorists, because a significant portion of terrorists ARE Muslims.

[Merlin]

Ever notice that Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, ancestor worship, et al is in constant conflict with Islam? I suppose the other faith's deserved it tho.
You have got to be kidding. Christians have killed more of each of those religions than all the others combined. I know it is simpler to just label and hate groups as an entity, but I always find it humorous when the person doing it has been a victim of the exact same "crime".

You remind me of a friend who happens to be black. He is a bit of a homophobe, and we have a few discussions on the subject matter. It was always ironic when many of his comments mirrored those made against blacks no less than 2 decades ago. If I remember correctly you are gay. The reason that is relevant is because far too often all gays are defined as a single entity as you well know. Yet you describe yourself as right wing gay person, something many liberals think is a contradiction in terms since conservatives have been at the root of much of the hate expressed against gays. But what these simplistic liberals fail to understand is that there is no such thing as a gay ENTITY.

However, I am sure the world is a lot safer when one is able to define and understand it in simple terms. Sorry for the interruption.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

They were silent after 9/11 and they still havent spoken. I guess that they never will.
I have no doubt there are good Muslims who don't believe in this stuff happening. What I have doubts about is how many of these Muslims there actually are.

From these recent events and from reading the Koran myself, I am now starting to believe that most Muslims think the way these religious radicals do we are seeing all over the globe now.

[RMT]

I have no doubt there are good Muslims who don't believe in this stuff happening. What I have doubts about is how many of these Muslims there actually are.

From these recent events and from reading the Koran myself, I am now starting to believe that most Muslims think the way these religious radicals do we are seeing all over the globe now.

And, unfortunately, it's more likely to get worse before (if ever) it gets better.

[Merlin]

I have no doubt there are good Muslims who don't believe in this stuff happening. What I have doubts about is how many of these Muslims there actually are.

From these recent events and from reading the Koran myself, I am now starting to believe that most Muslims think the way these religious radicals do we are seeing all over the globe now.
There are more than 1.6 billion muslims in the world. If your assumptions were correct, the world would be a far more violent place than it presently is.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

There are more than 1.6 billion muslims in the world. If your assumptions were correct, the world would be a far more violent place than it presently is.

I think I'm right just that many refuse to show their support openly for these radicals but still believe in what they're doing. How many are coming out and condeming it?

[epicSocialism4tw]

I have no doubt there are good Muslims who don't believe in this stuff happening. What I have doubts about is how many of these Muslims there actually are.

From these recent events and from reading the Koran myself, I am now starting to believe that most Muslims think the way these religious radicals do we are seeing all over the globe now.

What complicates and intensifies the situation more is that Islam is growing among the poor and destitute of the world. These people are desperate and are willing to kill themselves to ensure some financial gain for their families. The power mongers that dominate these third-world societies have no problem using the poor to accomplish their goals on the cheap. They just promise them 72 virgins, some gold in 'heaven', and some money for their families. That's alot cheaper and easier than having to develop a strong military.

Unfortunately, the major population of muslims lives under these conditions. How many civilized muslim nations are there? The only 'civilized' muslim societies are generally subject to western rule.

[RMT]

What complicates and intensifies the situation more is that Islam is growing among the poor and destitute of the world. These people are desperate and are willing to kill themselves to ensure some financial gain for their families. The power mongers that dominate these third-world societies have no problem using the poor to accomplish their goals on the cheap. They just promise them 72 virgins, some gold in 'heaven', and some money for their families. That's alot cheaper and easier than having to develop a strong military.

Unfortunately, the major population of muslims lives under these conditions. How many civilized muslim nations are there? The only 'civilized' muslim societies are generally subject to western rule.

"civilzed muslim" is almost an oxymoron considering the atrocities being committed over some stupid cartoons.

[epicSocialism4tw]

There are more than 1.6 billion muslims in the world. If your assumptions were correct, the world would be a far more violent place than it presently is.

This just in: the world is an extremely violent place, and the most violent places on the planet are inhabited by Muslims. Indonesia and the Sudan being the typical examples. The only difference is, that these countries do not have organized, westernized militaries. They kill each other with machetes.

[Bronx33]

The point is you can't take the actions of some small percentage of a group and attribute them to everyone in that group.


I said pretty loud that they were dumbfu**s i guess you didn't here me...:wiggle:

[Bronx33]

One of the reasons we "don't ... know the first things about what the vast majority (of "regular muslims") think" is because they are being conspicuously silent ... and to me, silence speaks VOLUMES.

They are going to have to come out soon or nobody is going to take islam serious anymore, the next few weeks should be interesting this could be their fatal mistake to sway public opinion.

[Merlin]

I think I'm right just that many refuse to show their support openly for these radicals but still believe in what they're doing. How many are coming out and condeming it?
A large number condemned 9/11 despite the American gov't misrepresentation of the terrorists. America had an incredible amount of good will across the world after 9/11, the problem was their total misuse of that good will, and their total incompetence of understanding the Middle East (or any nation that is being occupied). The American gov'ts intentions towards Iraq were never well hidden (other than to those in America who chose otherwise). Even though the gov't KNEW Iraq was not at the root of 9/11, its first reaction was to want to invade Iraq.

The most incredible part of this historical moment is that Bush let the final decision come to a vote. Luckily they chose instead to invade the true culprit, Afghanistan. BTW, for those of you who don't remember, the reason the Hawks did not want to invade Afghanistan was because they were AFRAID of a protracted war in that country. It shows how well they understood the ramifications of their plans.

Conversely, the Pentagon was right about most of its assessments, but Rumsfeld is much smarter than the military people, so he largely ignored them. Be they liberal or conservative politicians, they are all mostly idiots when it comes to understanding the ramifications of war. But they all know best.

[Merlin]

This just in: the world is an extremely violent place, and the most violent places on the planet are inhabited by Muslims. Indonesia and the Sudan being the typical examples. The only difference is, that these countries do not have organized, westernized militaries. They kill each other with machetes.
That is consistent with 3rd world strongly impoverished countries, especially when strong factions exist. Have you never heard of atrocities is SA. BTW, one of the most violent areas in the early 80s was Beirut, and many of the attrocities were committed by Christians against Christians. Morevoer, Christians have a history of killing everyone, including those factions that dissagree with them. Religion is not the root of evil, it is just a simple crutch.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

A large number condemned 9/11 despite the American gov't misrepresentation of the terrorists. America had an incredible amount of good will across the world after 9/11, the problem was their total misuse of that good will, and their total incompetence of understanding the Middle East (or any nation that is being occupied). The American gov'ts intentions towards Iraq were never well hidden (other than to those in America who chose otherwise). Even though the gov't KNEW Iraq was not at the root of 9/11, its first reaction was to want to invade Iraq.

The most incredible part of this historical moment is that Bush let the final decision come to a vote. Luckily they chose instead to invade the true culprit, Afghanistan. BTW, for those of you who don't remember, the reason the Hawks did not want to invade Afghanistan was because they were AFRAID of a protracted war in that country. It shows how well they understood the ramifications of their plans.

Conversely, the Pentagon was right about most of its assessments, but Rumsfeld is much smarter than the military people, so he largely ignored them. Be they liberal or conservative politicians, they are all mostly idiots when it comes to understanding the ramifications of war. But they all know best.

I know some Muslims condemed 9-11 ( I also seen mass celebrations) but I don't see any condeming the violence and killing over cartoons. Do you?

[RMT]

I know some Muslims condemed 9-11 but I don't see any condeming the violence and killing over cartoons. Do you?

No, in fact, many are actually encouraging it. But why did it take the Muslims so long to get all wired up about this? The cartoons came out last September. They latch onto anything to justify violence.