Flashback: Lelie not going anywhere, Rod ok!!

[eddie mac]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3503253

Smith OK after taking hard hit
By Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writer



Honolulu - Rod Smith sat dejected in the locker room.

Smith, 35, sat with a bruised right eye and a cut that was going to be stitched a few minutes later. He was bloody. Yet, Smith wasn't feeling sorry for himself. The emotion was anger - directed at Rod Smith.

"That's typical Rod," Broncos safety John Lynch said.

Smith, who gave his Broncos coaches a major scare, had to be helped off the field in the final seconds of the NFC's 23-17 Pro Bowl victory Sunday night. After missing a catch that would have put the AFC in the red zone with about 20 seconds remaining, Smith was hit in the head by the leg of Dallas' Troy Williams. Smith's helmet was abruptly turned around, and Smith suffered the cut. He was on the ground for several moments and was taken out of the game.

Yet, afterward - Smith and coach Mike Shanahan said he is fine - Smith couldn't believe he didn't hold onto the ball.

"I was hurt, but I'm not worried about that," Smith said. "I wanted to win. ... I let my teammates down. I should have made that play."

After the first-down play from the NFC's 49-yard line, quarterback Steve McNair threw two interceptions and was sacked on fourth down.

"We could have won," Smith said. "We had too many missed opportunities, including mine."

Lelie not going anywhere

Internet rumors have floated that the Broncos are shopping receiver Ashley Lelie, who is in the final season of his contract. Those rumors are false, Shanahan said.

"Of course they are not true, of course," Shanahan said. "This is the time of year all kinds of crazy things are said."

In Saturday's Sacramento Bee, a San Francisco official denied Internet reports that the 49ers were considering trading a first-day draft pick for Lelie. One of Lelie's agents, Doug Hendrickson, said he saw the rumors and was baffled by them.

"They are not true," Hendrickson said. "We have not heard


Good news about Ash and Rod, I want at least 1-2 more years out of that tandem and if we add another good receiver or TE all the better.

[Sassy]

Awesome news on both!
(and I love Rod~ ;D )

[montrose]

Wow, the power of orangemane...

[bronco militia]

thank god......


just say no to TO!!

[broncohaven]

If he really isn't going anywhere we should try to sign him to an extension this off season. He had a fairly quiet year this season, and if he starts adding TDs to his resume he'll command big money on the open market. Although I think he'll be a RFA?

With TD and the Duke coming out against the TO signing I think the cahnces of TO in Denver are slipping, and we need Lelie to take his game to the next level. We need to get a posession guy that can take some of the load off of Rod. I think we're better off at WR than we look on paper.

I think Devoe has huge upside, and I don't think that Watts is done. Terrell is on the roster, and given a full camp to compete he could be an asset to the Broncos next year. A lot of inexperience at the position, but a lot of talent as well. If Adams is #3 on the depth chart again we're in trouble.

[eddie mac]

Wow, the power of orangemane...

Think the info originally came from a 49er forum.

[clint7]

So is Shanahan calling TJ a liar? Don't put up with this TJ. You have a rep to protect. Time to call out Shanahan or your sources for this public shame they have caused you! Blow the whistle on these guys! :)

[eddie mac]

No smoke without fire then???

[-Slap-]

If he really isn't going anywhere we should try to sign him to an extension this off season. He had a fairly quiet year this season, and if he starts adding TDs to his resume he'll command big money on the open market. Although I think he'll be a RFA?
I agree. This is the perfect time to extend him.

[El Guapo]

good news. now we just need a strong arm QB. Jake is great, dont get me wrong -- but he lacks in some areas and it hurts.

[Rock Chalk]

Ha!

Tj's "source" is that little devil on his shoulder telling him to make things up.

[Mile High Shack]

like I said

I'll believe it when I see it re: Lelie

but of course, I'm just too "negative"

[Ratboy]

I'm gleaming in joy right now!

[gunns]

Don't worry about it Rod, you never let your teammates down and if you want to blame anyone for that loss yesterday just look to Monta.....uh I mean Green. Been listening to too many Chief fans. Glad Rod's ok.

[Garcia Bronco]

Yeah...gochoke...aka..bob's a punk posted on the choke planet that Rod should "Stay down bitch." Let him know what you think about that when you get a chance.

[Mile High Shack]

Yeah...gochoke...aka..bob's a punk posted on the choke planet that Rod should "Stay down b****." Let him know what you think about that when you get a chance.

Bob, you pussy ass bitch

bring that **** in here....you freakin' loser

I should travel down to TX just to whip your ass for that statement

bitch

[BroncoInferno]

Don't get excited yet Lelie fans...you think Mike is going to play his hand in the press? C'mon.

[Play2win]

Don't get excited yet Lelie fans...you think Mike is going to play his hand in the press? C'mon.
You know, in fact, that ASH is NOT a Faider, don't you, BroncoInferno?!?

[BroncoInferno]

You know, in fact, that ASH is NOT a Faider, don't you, BroncoInferno?!?

LOL Seriously, I like Lelie, my recent comments about him have mainly been to defend the guys who have been ludicrously blamed by many for some of his shortcomings (i.e. Jake Plummer, the stupid ass coaches who don't know how to use him properly). I will be glad to see him stay, but I'm just saying that what Shanny tells the press does not mean very much.

[eddie mac]

Don't get excited yet Lelie fans...you think Mike is going to play his hand in the press? C'mon.

Why on earth would Shanahan trade Lelie???

At the present time he'll get no value whatsoever plus he's taking a starter out of the line-up who's cap hit is minimal.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Why on earth would Shanahan trade Lelie???

At the present time he'll get no value whatsoever plus he's taking a starter out of the line-up who's cap hit is minimal.

And who would be very hard to replace this year. Team needs more WRs not less. I'm waiting for the Kircus and Flowers bandwagons.

[watermock]

Wow, the power of orangemane...

Seems like Burger Bill has been lurking while mock has been trying to deal lelie and our #1 for Vernon Davis...

This site is becoming a monster...They wont specifically name us...but it's pretty obvious that mock is shaking the bushes and Shanny peeks in here...

This place is the hearbeat of the fans, not the "official site" full of dimwits...we have our share, but this is the place.

Trust me, you would be surprised who visits here. Mock is amused that his trade lelie smack makes the post.

It's a good question tho...get moving on an extention Sundy if your not going to move him...

[clint7]

Seems like Burger Bill has been lurking while mock has been trying to deal lelie and our #1 for Vernon Davis...

This site is becoming a monster...They wont specifically name us...but it's pretty obvious that mock is shaking the bushes and Shanny peeks in here...

This place is the hearbeat of the fans, not the "official site" full of dimwits...we have our share, but this is the place.

Trust me, you would be surprised who visits here. Mock is amused that his trade lelie smack makes the post.

It's a good question tho...get moving on an extention Sundy if your not going to move him...


Uh...wasn't it TJ who brought up all the Lelie stuff?

[watermock]

I was very worried that Rod took one for the ship..amusing that he wanted to win that bad...I still say that was a cheap shot. Good to hear it was just williams grinding his face. Prick is a cheap shot artitist...Rod was on the turf and he grinds into him? And no flag?

[watermock]

Uh...wasn't it TJ who brought up all the Lelie stuff?

Several of us have mentioned moving him. It's all part of the Plan. ROFL!

Expect the unexpected this offseason.

[Play2win]

LOL Seriously, I like Lelie, my recent comments about him have mainly been to defend the guys who have been ludicrously blamed by many for some of his shortcomings (i.e. Jake Plummer, the stupid ass coaches who don't know how to use him properly). I will be glad to see him stay, but I'm just saying that what Shanny tells the press does not mean very much.
Yeah, I know. I've tried to be pretty fair about ASH. I think he can really turn into something, but I think ASH is just going to take time to take it to another level, but I think he will get there.

We always want things to be perfect, but the truth is, they never are...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Shanahan says BAD TACO! thwack

[Mile High Shack]

Shanahan says BAD TACO! thwack

get the **** out of here you pussy

NO one cheers for a Rod Smith injury and is welcome here

[sirhcyennek81]

Yet another reason why Bob should be sent back to the gulag that is CP...

:Broncos:

[azbroncfan]

No way Lelie is going anywhere especially since he is cheap next year.

[Taco John]

This is very interesting... I have two sources on this one, so I'm going to check with them both to see what they have to say about it.

[TheDave]

God i love internet rumors... Hopefully TO is just another rumor gone wild.

[Requiem]

Nothing of substance, I'd suppose!

[TheDave]

get the **** out of here you p***Y

NO one cheers for a Rod Smith injury and is welcome here

Ditto

[orange crusher]

get the **** out of here you p***Y

NO one cheers for a Rod Smith injury and is welcome here

I second that!

[Taco John]

With TD and the Duke coming out against the TO signing I think the cahnces of TO in Denver are slipping...


Uhhhh? Huh? What are you talking about? TD and Elway don't have any personnel power. You think Shanahan runs his player moves by TD and John?

[Mile High Shack]

Ditto
I didn't cheer Rod's injury over here.

you did on another board

NO ONE does that

this will not be forgotten

Would you like links to all the other message boards I post on so you can police my behavior on those?

You are taking this too far.

from numbnuts

[eddie mac]

This is very interesting... I have two sources on this one, so I'm going to check with them both to see what they have to say about it.

There's every chance they're shopping him on the quiet TJ, but I hope they aren't. Denver's moves are normally under the radar, this offseason they've been pretty public, TO, Ricky etc!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

from numbnuts

MHS, that is bush league. They are called private messages for a reason.

Don't litter the board with this.

[TheDave]

MHS, that is bush league. They are called private messages for a reason.

Don't litter the board with this.

not nearly as bush as cheering Rod getting hurt!

[Popps]

I'd think Shanahan's reaction would have been a little bit different if there WERE actually talks. He just basically laughed it off... and all but said Lelie wasn't available.

Looks like Taco screwed up.

;D

[Bob's your Information Minister]

not nearly as bush as cheering Rod getting hurt!

I didn't do that here. Please drop it.

[TheDave]

I didn't do that here. Please drop it.

So you did do it

[Mile High Shack]

I didn't do that here. Please drop it.

nope

it doesn't matter

so if you go off on another board and say you hope so and so dies, it's ok b/c it's not on this board

cheering for a guy to stay down when he might have a neck injury is bush league you jackass

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I am washing my hands of this.

[Mile High Shack]

So you did do it

yes on chiefs planet

[Requiem]

I still don't see why we'd trade away Ashley. Smith is nearing the end and if we get Owens, he's no spring chicken either. Isn't he 33? What guys would we have behind him? I'm more in favor of getting a guy like David Givens in the off-season and keeping Lelie...

[TheDave]

yes on chiefs planet

what a P.O.S.

[Requiem]

Settle Jimmy J, settle.

[ZachKC]

I am not really in the business of cheering a player getting hurt...esp someone like Smith. But I do enjoy laughing at the pussies who thought it was a cheap shot.

[Mile High Shack]

what a P.O.S.

which is why I posted his PM in a public forum to me

if I respected him, I wouldn't of

[Taco John]

I'd think Shanahan's reaction would have been a little bit different if there WERE actually talks. He just basically laughed it off... and all but said Lelie wasn't available.

Looks like Taco screwed up.

;D



It's quite possible... But I had two sources on this info, neither of whom know eachother (to my knowledge). But this is Internet rumor territory so take it for what it's worth.

I'll be following up and letting you know what I find out.

[Taco John]

I am not really in the business of cheering a player getting hurt...esp someone like Smith. But I do enjoy laughing at the pussies who thought it was a cheap shot.


I remember you laughing at them when Eddie Kennison got hit by Lynch...

Oh wait. No I dont.

[Popps]

It's quite possible... But I had two sources on this info, neither of whom know eachother (to my knowledge). But this is Internet rumor territory so take it for what it's worth.

I'll be following up and letting you know what I find out.

Just kidding, dude. Made for a good 35 page thread, anyway.

[Taco John]

At this time, I'm going to go ahead and stand behind the report. Despite Shanahan's denials, my sources insist that this story is true... That San Fransico has put out feelers for Lelie... That Sundquist has dropped Lelie's names with other GMs, starting with Miami back when the Ricky Williams talk first started.

All that being said, if the Broncos don't get what they want for the guy, they won't trade him (as witnessed by the Trevor Pryce dealings of last year).

I'm told this is all back door dealing at the moment, and that Shanahan might be himself in a position of plausible deniability until Sunny is able to get things more firm...

I'll keep monitoring this one...

[ludo21]

WOW~~

Fantastic news, and as i figured Rod would be fine.

Lelie is a great receiver who has evolved each year, next year i see even bigger things from him with Dinger as a teacher!


edit: hmmm, so according to tJ thid rumor might still be here, we will see.

[B-Love]

Lelie is a great receiver who has evolved each year, next year i see even bigger things from him with Dinger as a teacher!

Wow! I cannot believe how many people continue to drink the Ashley Grape Kool Aid. Great?? Dude, your definition of great is way off from mine.

A Receiver who runs 3 or 4 out of 10 standard routes is great?? A guy who makes plays almost exclusively along the sideline is great??

I want my number 2 to make all of the routes and catches and be capable of making plays on every quadrant of the football field. Not just outside the hashmarks.

This guy makes 4-5 spectacular catches every year and people swoon. I don't.

[freak6]

It makes no sense without Terrell Owen on the rolls.

[ludo21]

Wow! I cannot believe how many people continue to drink the Ashley Grape Kool Aid. Great?? Dude, your definition of great is way off from mine.

A Receiver who runs 3 or 4 out of 10 standard routes is great?? A guy who makes plays almost exclusively along the sideline is great??

I want my number 2 to make all of the routes and catches and be capable of making plays on every quadrant of the football field. Not just outside the hashmarks.

This guy makes 4-5 spectacular catches every year and people swoon. I don't.


Im a homer, no doubt. :homer:

But over his first few years he has learned to run more routes (evidence of the Oakland game when they told him they were going to use him more).

Also he has become a good blocker.

I realize it cant be all the gameplan that takes Lelie out of most games, but without him, a lot of offense would be ineffective. Him driving the safeties out lets Rod catch his stuff.

[Clockwork Orange]

Yeah...gochoke...aka..bob's a punk posted on the choke planet that Rod should "Stay down b****." Let him know what you think about that when you get a chance.

That's about as low rent as it gets, but what else do you expect from him? Bob's a complete ****stain.

As for Lelie, if these Owens rumors are true, the Broncos either need to extend him now or get used to the idea that this will be his last year in a Broncos uniform. Going into a contract year and he's getting bumped down to 3rd on the depth chart? Yeah, I'm sure he'll be real thrilled at the idea of re-upping with the Broncos after that.

[Alkazar]

Don't worry about it Rod, you never let your teammates down and if you want to blame anyone for that loss yesterday just look to Monta.....uh I mean Green. Been listening to too many Chief fans. Glad Rod's ok.
Nah, you want somebody to blame, put it where it belongs, on Glory boy Manning and his 3 INTs! Plus they played him the entire first half whe it was obvious he should have been pulled after the first quarter!

[Popps]

Wow! I cannot believe how many people continue to drink the Ashley Grape Kool Aid. Great?? Dude, your definition of great is way off from mine.

A Receiver who runs 3 or 4 out of 10 standard routes is great?? A guy who makes plays almost exclusively along the sideline is great??

I want my number 2 to make all of the routes and catches and be capable of making plays on every quadrant of the football field. Not just outside the hashmarks.

This guy makes 4-5 spectacular catches every year and people swoon. I don't.

What are you talking about, dude! If it wasn't for idiot Shanahan and Short-Bus Jake, Lelie would be the next Lynn Swann.

[BroncoSoja]

good news. now we just need a strong arm QB. Jake is great, dont get me wrong -- but he lacks in some areas and it hurts.


Yes, while im not a fan of Lelie I really think he would be 100 times better if we had a QB that would not under throw him almost ever time he is open...

[NFLBRONCO]

The Broncos are likely to search for a speedy pass rusher in the offseason, but it is an expensive position in free agency and it's a difficult talent to find in the draft.

Some members of the organization believe the Broncos already possess a potential standout speedy rusher in Corey Jackson, who spent last season on the practice squad.

Jackson, who played sparingly in college, was a star in NFL Europe and improved steadily last season. At 6-feet-7, 260 pounds, Jackson has a chance to develop quickly.

"He can be a difference-maker," Denver Pro Bowl linebacker Al Wilson said. "I really think that. He can be special. He's a guy who can fill a role for us."

[Kaylore]

Wow, the power of orangemane...
No kidding. Pretty sweet. :)

[fontaine]

Every WR in the league would benefit if their QB could throw them a perfect spiral deep and hit them in stride.

But that doesn't happen in real life. What you have are a rare few QBs that can do that. Hell, Collins is supposed to be one of the best at throwing the deep ball and with weapons like Moss and Porter he still struggled.

And since when is the deep ball such a vital part of the offense? Watch almost any game and offenses throw deep passes maybe 3-4 times a game if they have a deep threat and a QB that can throw it long to begin with!

The point is, almost every single WR in the league has to adjust to poor/average passes. The good/great ones do it all the time when they fight for the ball, use their physical skills to outjump and overpower CBs that are usually smaller than a 6-3 Lelie.

Since when did it become ok for a WR to suck if his QB doesn't throw him a perfectly timed spiral that hits him in stride every single time?

[baja]

I am washing my hands of this.

That's just what O J said.

[Hulamau]

Good news all the way around. Now if we add TO i'll feel a lot better about it with Ash and Rod holding down the fort. Shanny should pair TO and Lelie together and use Rod as a much more active than normal #3 and saftey valve.

Ash stretchign the field and keeping one half of the field honest will give TO a ton of opportunity and vice versa. They try to double team TO and ASh will eat them up, so both will get single coverage and no one in the NFL can cover both of them one on one.

And with Rod handling the underneath stuff we'd jhhave an awesoem passing game.

Assuming TO plays nice which I think he will, the first year at least, after all this stink he has made this year.

[watermock]

I am not really in the business of cheering a player getting hurt...esp someone like Smith. But I do enjoy laughing at the pussies who thought it was a cheap shot.

WTF? It was the like the last play of the game or close, and Rod was down, the meaningless game was allready decided and he comes in for a spear and hits him on the ground? All he had to do was put a pinky on him.

Look you dimwit, they allready have had to make another rule to keep this animal from horsecollar tackles...and your defending this cheap shot artist? He's got enough talent to play clean...he's a punk and I'm glad we don't have him. You don't play to injure people unless your an asshole.

And don't come back with that cut blocking crap either...it's zone blocking, and if executed right is perfectly legal. Players get hurt on the lines every game for all kinds of reasons. We run that scheme because it works! Look at Atlanta!

How you can say that wasn't a worthless piece of crap cheap shot is amazing.

[watermock]

Good news all the way around. Now if we add TO i'll feel a lot better about it with Ash and Rod holding down the fort. Shanny should pair TO and Lelie together and use Rod as a much more active than normal #3 and saftey valve.

Ash stretchign the field and keeping one half of the field honest will give TO a ton of opportunity and vice versa. They try to double team TO and ASh will eat them up, so both will get single coverage and no one in the NFL can cover both of them one on one.

And with Rod handling the underneath stuff we'd jhhave an awesoem passing game.

Assuming TO plays nice which I think he will, the first year at least, after all this stink he has made this year.

TO, Rod,Lelie and the Putz? You putting in a whole new variable....yeah, it's a risk, but I honestly think that T.O. is going to damage control, if he has any sense. Season in the New Duke after he gets back from Europe...that's a pretty good cast.

We kinda need T.O. or it wouldn't be bandied around. I keep telling you people...unless Saban gives him a multi-year deal or maybe Parcells or Pimp Daddy in Zona...he's coming here.

[ZachKC]

WTF? It was the like the last play of the game or close, and Rod was down, the meaningless game was allready decided and he comes in for a spear and hits him on the ground? All he had to do was put a pinky on him.

Look you dimwit, they allready have had to make another rule to keep this animal from horsecollar tackles...and your defending this cheap shot artist? He's got enough talent to play clean...he's a punk and I'm glad we don't have him. You don't play to injure people unless your an a-hole.

And don't come back with that cut blocking crap either...it's zone blocking, and if executed right is perfectly legal. Players get hurt on the lines every game for all kinds of reasons. We run that scheme because it works! Look at Atlanta!

How you can say that wasn't a worthless piece of crap cheap shot is amazing.


If you spent less time sitcking it in your cat and more time actually watching the game it would be obvious that you couldn't be anymore wrong.

Rod was not laying on the ground when he threw himself at him. The ball was bouncing near his hands...it was a cathacble ball. Both of the guys were in the air at the same time.

Rod almost caught it...

Williams was playing defense.

When someone is about to catch a ball you hit them to try to keep them from catching the ball. He was playing defense. I really am sorry you are a complete pussy and can't see that defense was being played but to charectarize it as Rod laying around and Williams seeing that and then hitting him is just false. Its obvious from the video.

[Hulamau]

Actually Zach the ball had already gone off Rods hands and had hit the turf before Williams cracked on Rod. Roy was in the process of leaving his feet, but definitely saw the incomplete as he was looking right at him (assuming he didnt have his eyes closed), and could have pulled up in plenty of time, and yet he actually laid the wood on heavy after the fact. I ran the replay three times and at first glance I also thought it was just a good hard nosed defensive play too, but RW's desire to put a lick on someone got the better of his judgment there.

Luckily Rod isnt seriously hurt.

[Hulamau]

I second that!


I didnt see that! If Boob cheered when Rod was down ban him no questions asked!

[dbfan4life]

That's just what O J said.
LOL

[Ratman]

Awesome news on both!
(and I love Rod~ ;D )

So you like rod huh?!?

[dbfan4life]

I am washing my hands of this.

I'm appalled you think this is acceptable behavior! Why does it matter where you said it you dumbass. Once when I younger a just as stupid as you are, I told my friend what a stupid bitch I thought this girl I was dating was. Word got back to her and man was she pissed. Somehow she didn't accept that since I didn't tell her directly to her face it didn't count. Go figure.

[FantomForce]

thank god......


just say no to TO!!
Agreed:thumbs:

[Mr. Trout]

[QUOTE=broncohaven]If he really isn't going anywhere we should try to sign him to an extension this off season. He had a fairly quiet year this season, and if he starts adding TDs to his resume he'll command big money on the open market. Although I think he'll be a RFA?


Denver doens't do sensible things like lock up good players to long term contracts. Examples: Reggie Hayward and Bert Berry

[Taco John]

Nice call Bill...

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=40564

[Atlas]

Denver doens't do sensible things like lock up good players to long term contracts. Examples: Reggie Hayward and Bert Berry

Yeah your right like, Lepsis, Nalen, Wilson, Smith, Warren, Hamilton. All have been resigned to long term deals, but your two examples are much better.

[BroncoMan4ever]

No way will Denver let there number 2 receiver go when all they have are Rod and Lelie. SHort of Denver getting a major compensation from the 49ers maybe there first round pick, no way will it happen this season. I think Shanny is banking on Lelie having a monster contract year and getting a solid number 3 to move in when Lelie leaves next off season, or to stay at number 3 if denver decides to keep Lelie next season.

I doubt he gets traded this year
No way will the 49ers give up there first rounder for him

[Odysseus]

MHS, that is bush league. They are called private messages for a reason.

Don't litter the board with this.

It's not bush league. You got busted.

I cannot believe some of the crap you say on other boards and then come here like nothing happened. What is bush league is that you think nobody should call you on it.

[Odysseus]

No way will Denver let there number 2 receiver go when all they have are Rod and Lelie. SHort of Denver getting a major compensation from the 49ers maybe there first round pick, no way will it happen this season. I think Shanny is banking on Lelie having a monster contract year and getting a solid number 3 to move in when Lelie leaves next off season, or to stay at number 3 if denver decides to keep Lelie next season.

I doubt he gets traded this year
No way will the 49ers give up there first rounder for him

I think there have been a half dozen Lelie threads. I think he would be a decent fit for the 49ers but I don't know. An hour is a long time on draft day this is like a million miles away speculating.

[Odysseus]

If you spent less time sitcking it in your cat and more time actually watching the game it would be obvious that you couldn't be anymore wrong.

Rod was not laying on the ground when he threw himself at him. The ball was bouncing near his hands...it was a cathacble ball. Both of the guys were in the air at the same time.

Rod almost caught it...

Williams was playing defense.

When someone is about to catch a ball you hit them to try to keep them from catching the ball. He was playing defense. I really am sorry you are a complete p***Y and can't see that defense was being played but to charectarize it as Rod laying around and Williams seeing that and then hitting him is just false. Its obvious from the video.

Lelie isn't going anywhere? I am starting to wonder why not.

[Play2win]

It's not bush league. You got busted.

I cannot believe some of the crap you say on other boards and then come here like nothing happened. What is bush league is that you think nobody should call you on it.
How can they when everyone has him on IGGY...