Anyone interested in doing an all - time draft

[youcandoit1687]

Yeah, Ocord and Dcord's that kind of things. I think $1000, is OK. People will just have to watch their budgets.

And as for when we do it, it starts on Monday. Here's the schedule again.

For free agency, let me know if this format works.

Everyone gets $1,000. You bid on the free agents by the day. We'll bid on:

QBs Monday
RBs on Tuesday
WR Wed
TE and Oline Thur
DL Friday
LB Monday
DB Tuesday
ST, K, and P on Wed
Coaches on Thursday

Whoever has the highest bid on a player by Midnight receives that player. Bidding on QBs will start at 12:01 Monday night.

oops got it lol forgot bout that. would this be mountain time i assume? also, is there a time when u must submit the players so that u cant just say at 11:59, i wanna sign "player" for a dollar. or is the rationale that if somebody else wants that player they will post it too?

[Rocket 7]

QB- Otto Graham, Terry Bradshaw
RB- Terrell Davis, Steve Van Buren, Herschel Walker
FB- Lorenzo Neal, Larry Centers
WR- Cris Carter, Chad Johnson
WR- Herman Moore, Terrance Mathis
TE- Jackie Smith, Russ Francis
T- Joe Jacoby, Bob Whitfield
G- Randall McDaniel, Conrad Dobler
C- Dwight Stephenson, Bart Oates
G- Guy McIntyre
T- Bruce Armstrong, Leo "The Lion" Nomellini

DE- Rich "Tombstone" Jackson, Michael Sinclair
DT- Roger Brown, Gilbert Brown
DT- Leo "The Lion" Nomellini,
DE- Mark Gastineau
OLB- Mike Curtis
MLB- Ray Lewis, Jesse Tuggle
OLB- Joe Fortunato Isiah Robertson
CB- Jimmy Johnson
CB- Roger Wehrli, DeAngelo Hall
SS- Ken Houston, Sean Taylor
FS- Kenny "Easley like Sunday Morning"

K- Mike Vanderjagt
P- Chris Gardocki

PR- DeAngelo Hall
KR- Herschel Walker

HC - Don Shula

[Rocket 7]

My 40 will beat anyone's 49.

Besides, you guys are going to have major playing time issues to resolve. Good luck telling perennial Pro Bowlers they're third string.
Only third stringer on my team is Walker. My team could take yours. (Let the smack talking begin)

[-Slap-]

Only third stringer on my team is Walker. My team could take yours. (Let the smack talking begin)
That would be a trip, since you've only got, like, four guys that would start on my team: Houston, Werhli, McDaniel, Stephenson.

:kungfu:

[Clockwork Orange]

All of your QB's are dead MFing meat.

http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/images/content/eagles/reggie_92_small.jpg

If the left don't get ya......

http://www.autographedtoyou.com/celebpics/jack_youngblood3.jpg

.....the right one will. :wiggle:

[Rocket 7]

Look who had his ninth straight 100 yard rushing game in the playoffs.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/dipsomaniac1/SCTerrell_Davis_Photo.jpg

[Rocket 7]

My MLB and defensive captain has killer instincts

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/dipsomaniac1/Ray_Lewis.jpg

[JCMElway]

My MLB and defensive captain has killer instincts

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/dipsomaniac1/Ray_Lewis.jpg

I'll buy the Terrell argument, (Unless he gets a migraine) but R Lew is weay overrated. Can't play well at all if he doesn't have the big guys in front keeping the guards or TEs off of him. And all of my G and TE can definetly get to the second level. "Moose" Musso is gonna knock the crap outtta Lewis on a consistent basis!

[Old Dude]

Who is coaching Big Guy's team?

[youcandoit1687]

MEET THE TEAM:
The Backfield:
QB - Steve Young, Archie Manning
RB – Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson
FB/HB – John Riggins, William Henderson, Doak Walker

the original stormin' mormon..,
http://www.byucougars.com/football/images/a-young_steve.jpg

the only problem i see for ol archie is learning that THIS oline DOESNT want him to get killed
http://imagesource.art.com/images/products/large/10107000/10107920.jpg

lol this man is all about scoring...
http://i.cnn.net/si/pr/subs/swimsuit/images/03_salexander_01.jpg

The young, pounding workhorse...
http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/college/allsport/big10/pennstate/johnson_larry2.jpg

the first mr. postseason...
http://www.skylinepictures.com/Longordo_Washington_DC_dc20_large.jpg
show em the rings johnny!http://greyflannelauctions.com/lotimages/509_top.jpg

The old-timer...
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/det/DoakWalker.jpgany of your third/fourth stringers have a record which lasted half a century and a trophy named after them?http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/27/273863.jpg

The versatile, blocking fullback...
http://www.madison.com/images/articles/tct/2004/12/23/10785_thumb.jpg
defenders have already gotten into the fetal position in fear....
http://images.packers.com/images/wallpaper/dt041115_1_800.jpg

[youcandoit1687]

MEET THE TEAM II:
The Receiving Corps(first group):
WR - John Stallworth, Anquan Boldin, Hines Ward
TE - Tony Gonzalez


The do-it-all veteran...
http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/nfl/2002/0202/photo/a_stallworth_ht.jpghttp://www.goallineart.com/Stallworth,%20John.JPG

The tough, go-over-the-middle, blocking receiver...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1785000/images/_1786102_hines_ward300.jpghttp://io2.steelers.com/MediaContent/2005/12/04/10/05_CIN2_Hines_59756.jpg

The extremely skilled youngster who will blossom into a surefire HOFer...
http://www.floridadairycouncil.org/images/AnquanBoldin1.jpghttp://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/02/07/20051221201309990001

And the consistent short and red zone threat(ignore his uniform)...
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/football/nfl/specials/preview/2005/images/teams/gonzalez.jpghttp://www.kcmetrosports.com/img/articles/Tony-Gonzalez-Chiefs-dunks-.gif

[youcandoit1687]

MEET THE TEAM III:
The Receiving Corps(second group):

WR - Anthony Miller, Javon Walker, Keyshawn Johnson
TE - LeBron James

The skinny, veteran slot-receiver...
http://www.prosportsmemorabilia.com/Images/Product/33-42/33-42665-m.jpg

The do-it-all field stretcher and possesion receiver who has just begun to reach his potential...
http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/packer/img/rev/jan05/7pack102.jpghttp://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news34/12vike02.l.jpg

The possession receiver and big bodied red zoner...
http://www.ravens24x7.com/images/keyshawn%20johnson.jpg
http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-10/20003556.jpg
http://www.detroitlions.com/photos/johnson_keyshawn_120901.jpg

And the quick-learning convert who will light it up all over your little DBs and LBs with his 6'8 height, gorilla-like reach, and high-flyin' vertical...

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball/NBA/2003/12/28/v122832A.jpg

[youcandoit1687]

MEET THE TEAM IV:
The Offensive Line:
T - Art Shell
G - Billy Shaw
C - Clyde "Bulldog" Turner
G - Jimbo Covert
T - Ron Yary

Also the O-Line Coach currently...
http://profootballhof.com/assets/default/BrownBoomer-Raiders.jpgArt Shell

8 all-pro games in 9 years and first player to spend entire career in AFL to be elected to Hall of Fame...
http://rpspecialt.com/bs1319.jpghttp://www.billszone.com/billstimezone/shaw.JPGBilly Shaw

One of the smartest players to play at his time. knew waht all 11 offensive players were doing on plays and also played defense. All-NFL seven times and was on 4 championship teams after being number one draft pick by chicago bears and starter at age 20 with halfback speed...
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/content/photos/1940turner2.jpgClyde "Bulldog" Turner - also assistant head coach because of his vast knowledge

was a tackle originally but has the speed to play guard...
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/chicago/Jcovertchi.jpg

A sign of the durability of my line is in this man who only missed 2 games in a 14 year career which had 5 championship games, 6 all-pro honors, 8 all-nfc honors and was the number one pick in the 1968 draft...
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/minnesota/YaryMIn_175x250.jpg http://hofplayers.com/images/ron_yary/ron_yary_main.jpgRon Yary


the only player who isnt in the HOF on my list is jimbo covert who should dominate at guard. All of my guys were incredibly hard nosed players who rarely missed games in their careers and im not too worried about injuries however, im going to address depth in FA but it looks like that wont be part of the matchups...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Who is coaching Big Guy's team?

Old Dude and a bunch of assistants from the Mane

[Old Dude]

Old Dude and a bunch of assistants from the Mane

And here I thought you were joking!

[Old Dude]

Arkie: John Elway, Dan Hampton, Eric Dickerson, Alan Page, Steve Largent, Willie Lanier, Jim Otto, Larry Wilson, Mike Ditka, Chris Doleman, Larry Allen, Ricky Jackson, Mel Renfro, James Lofton, Leslie O'Neal, Chris Hinton, Howard Griffith, Ruben Brown, Lester Hayes, George Kunz, Donnie Shell, Greg Lloyd, Mark Clayton, Sam Mills, Tim McDonald, Mel Gray, Jay Novacek, Roger Craig, Bill Bergey, Dennis Harrah, Gary Clark, La'Roi Glover, Jim Kelly, Garo Yepremian, Darren Bennett, Alan Ameche, Al Blozis, Marv Levy (HC), John Taylor, Ralph Neely, Bobby Boyd.


CB24/BMF: Walter Payton, Tom Brady, Rod Smith, Ozzie Newsome, Michael Strahan, Willie Brown, Brian Urlacher, Dante Lavelli, Dan Dierdorf, Terrell Owens, Karl Mecklenburg, Kyle Turley, Jan Stenrud, Lyle Alzado, Bill Romanowski, Deron Cherry, Edgerrin James, Kevin Mawae, Lenny Dawson, Howard Mudd, Dick Stanfel, Cory Schlessinger, Adam Archuleta, Jeff Saturday, Bryant Young, LeRoy Butler, Pepper Johnson, Bill Bellichek (HC), Keith Millard, Sean Landetta, Levon Kirkland, Keenan McCardell, Erasmus James, Otis Anderson, Hardy Nickerson, Alfred Williams, Ahman Green, Kyle Brady, Mike Vrabel, Braylon Edwards, Rulon Jones.


Phisig: Barry Sanders, Jack Lambert, Merlin Olsen, Rod Woodson, Steve Atwater, Derrick Brooks, Mel Blount, John Randle, Marvin Harrison, Bruce Matthews, Willie Roaf, Dwight Freeney, John Lynch, Jeremy Shockey, Isaac Bruce, Joey Porter, Adam Vinatieri, Steve Wisenewski, Matt Birk, Steve Hutchinson, Richard Seymour, Donovan McNabb, Jimmy Smith, Dante Hall, Todd Sauerbrun, Terrell Suggs, Donnie Edwards, Patrick Surtain, Jason Taylor, Wesley Walls, Kevin Gogan, Bill Cowher (HC), Chris Samuels, Sonny Jurgenson, Chris Spielman, Nick Mangold, Brock Marion, Reggie Wayne, D'Brickshaw Ferguson, Corey Dillion, Rocky Blier.


Eddie Mac: Joe Montana, Deion Sanders, Gale Sayers, Lance Alworth, Walter Jones, Bronko Nagurski, Lee Roy Selmon, Richard Dent, Raymond Berry, Bill George , Kevin Greene, Tom Mack, Willie Wood, Frank Gatski, Yale Lary, Arnie Weinmeister, Ben Coates, Cornelius Bennett, Lomas Brown, Nick Buoniconti, Bill Fralic, Frank Minnifield, Fred Biletnikoff, Franco Harris, Ray Childress, George Blanda, George Connor, Dave Grayson, Chuck Noll (HC), Ed Budde, Riley Odoms, Michael Dean Perry, Keith Brooking, Dwight Hicks, Art Powell, Jevon Kearse, Mick Tingelhoff, Ricky Watters, Butch Byrd, Y A Tittle, Harvey Martin.


Big Guy: Bubba Smith, John Mackey, OJ Simpson, Paul Warfield, Ed Too Tall Jones, Randy White, Roger Staubach, Lem Barney, Joe Schmidt, Jim Ringo, Joe Delamielleure, Bob St Clair, Alex Karras, Harold Carmichael, Jim Taylor, Jerry Kramer, Dick LeBeau, Stan Jones, Jim Marshall, Brad Van Pelt, Dick Anderson, Wayne Walker, Bob Griese, Frank Gifford, Tom Brookshier, Joe Perry, Jake Scott, Fred Dryer, Winston Hill, Dave Butz, Abe Woodson, Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, Boyd Dowler, Scott Studwell, Max Montoya, Don Chandler, Charlie Ane, Steve Nelson, Joe Don Looney, Clay Mathews, Bob Trumpy.



-Slap- : Johnny Unitas, Earl Campbell, Shannon Sharpe, John Hannah, Randy Gradishar, Jack Ham, Doug Atkins, Lenny Moore, Torry Holt, Dennis Smith, Buck Buchanan, Brian Dawkins, Bob "Boomer" Brown, Aeneas Williams, Russ Washington, Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb, Andre Tippett, Olin Kruetz, Lemar Parrish, Curtis Martin, Charles Haley, Rick Upchurch, Joe Gibbs (HC), Fred Smerlas, Keith Jackson, Bob Hayes WR, Keith Byars, Ed White, Matt Blair, Coy Bacon, Ray Donaldson, Neil Lomax, Pat McInally, David Akers, Cornell Green, Andy Russell, Ron Wolfley, Jim Lachey, Raymond Clayborn, Jeff Siemon, Joe Washington.


Old Dude: Jim Brown, Anthony Munoz, Bob Lilly, Sammy Baugh, Don Hutson, Gino Marchetti, Marion Motely, Emlen Tunnell, Mel Hein, Red Grange, Gene Upshaw, Tommy Nobis, Roosevelt Brown, Cliff Harris, Len Ford, Ernie Stautner, Chuck Howley, Gene Hickerson, Fred Arbanas, Bobby Mitchell, Paul Brown (HC), Les Richter, Lou Groza, Don Maynard, Emmitt Thomas, Floyd Little, Sid Luckman, Ernie Ladd, Chris Hanburger, Lee Roy Jordan, Whizzer White, Jack Butler, Erich Barnes, Mac Speedie, Jon Morris, Joe Stydahar, Ernie Nevers, Link Lyman, Cal Hubbard, Walt Sweeney, Dave Robinson.


Bronco LB 52: Jerry Rice, Mean Joe Greene, Peyton Manning, Bo Jackson, Sam Huff, Herb Adderley, Ted Hendricks, Frank "Bruiser" Kinard, Elvin Bethea, Ron Mix, Larry Little, Charley Taylor, Edward Reed, Billy Thompson, Leroy Kelly, Albert Lewis, Bob Kuechenberg, Robert Brazile, Larry Brooks, Fred Dean, Todd Christiansen, Joe Namath, Tommy McDonald, Otis Taylor, George “Papa Bear” Halas (HC), Kent Hull, Paul Hourning, Bill Arnsparger (DC), Maxie Baughan, Carnell Lake, George Andrie, Ben Davidson, Bobby Layne, Houston Antwine, Speedy Duncan, Rich Saul, Dan Fortmann, Bob Swenson, Billy Joe Dupree, Rohn Stark, Charley Trippi.


Dipso: Otto Graham, Terrell Davis, Ray Lewis, Cris Carter, Dwight Stephenson, Ken Houston, Steve Van Buren, Jimmy Johnson, Randall McDaniel, Rich "Tombstone" Jackson, Jackie Smith, Kenny Easley, Roger Wehrli, Joe Jacoby, Mike Curtis, Leo "The Lion" Nomellini, Herman Moore, Chad Johnson, Lorenzo Neal, Mark Gastineau, Joe Fortunato, Roger Brown, Bruce Armstrong, Don Shula (HC), Guy McIntyre, Terry Bradshaw, Gilbert Brown, Jesse Tuggle, DeAngelo Hall, Bart Oates, Sean Taylor, Larry Centers, Conrad Dobler, Michael Sinclair, Mike Vanderjagt, Herschel Walker, Russ Francis, Bob Whitfield, Chris Gardocki, Terrance Mathis, Isiah Robertson


Toad/Youcandoit1687: Mike Singletary, Steve Young, Ronnie Lott, Art Shell, John Stallworth, John Riggins, Tony Gonzalez, Dave Wilcox, Hines Ward, Ty Law, Ron Yary, Jonathan Vilma, Clyde "Bulldog” Turner, Julius Peppers, Billy Shaw, Henry Jordan, Tony Siragusa, Shaun Alexander, Keyshawn Johnson, Trevor Pryce, Roy Williams, Doak Walker, James “Jimbo” Covert, Dan Sandifer, Mike Brown, Larry Johnson, William Henderson, Sam Madison, Vince Lombardi (HC), Anthony Miller, Bob Baumhower, Archie Manning, Chuck Drazenovich, Willie McGinest, Ryan Longwell, Brian Moorman, Darrien Gordon, Jeremiah Trotter, Anquan Boldin, LeBron James, Javon Walker.
-------------------
I'll keep editing this as the rosters are posted.


Bump. I'm trying to work my way from the top down, but I could use a little help...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Thanks Dude - I was just trying to work my way through it when I saw this post

[Killericon]

Apparantly, I'm the only one who beleives in him as much as I do, but I love the guy, and I think my starting QB will kick all your asses.

http://www.billdaniels.com/bartstarrgla.jpg

He does have a rather Speedy and Clutch receiver core, starring two players who could arguably be among the top 10 receivers of al time.

http://www.nfl.com.mx/imagerepository/brown_tim.jpg

http://www.mcmillenandwife.com/images/swann_thecatch.jpg

Of course, it's not as if the passing game is all by it's lonesome. My speedy Halfbacks have one of the best short yardage specialists ever to counter their speed.

http://www.onlinesports.com/images/phf-aaed027.jpg

http://www.wiu.edu/Rams/images/season02-03/faulk.jpg

Of course, all this is behind a solid Offensive line.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/10-05/1019zimmerman.jpg

http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/photo/1999/january/21/a_nalen.jpg

On Defense, My front seven will be striking fear into the hearts of Quarterbacks everwhere, after reuniting Rice and Sapp, and perhaps the scariest Linebacker of all time.

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/01/27/bucs_sb_030127/images/gal-rice-sapp.jpg

http://www.grandstandsports.com/pages/1713.htm

My secondary is the only real concern spot, as far as I can see. In terms of play to play coverage, they will be preety 2nd rate in this league, but in terms of picking off passes, Krause will be leading the way.

http://www.varsityauthentic.com/krause1.jpg

I will do a player-by-player analysis soon enough....can someone tell me my weak spots?

[youcandoit1687]

I will do a player-by-player analysis soon enough....can someone tell me my weak spots?

post your full roster.

PS im gonna post my defense either tonight or tm i think and what happened to our sticky on the main page. i can barely find us!

[Killericon]

Offense:

QB - Bart Starr, Micheal Vick
RB - Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis
FB - Mike Alstott
WR - Tim Brown, Andre Rison
WR - Lynn Swann, Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
WR - Joe Horn
TE - Dave Casper, Alge Crumpler
LT - Gary Zimmerman
LG - Will Shields
C - Tom Nalen, Jeff Hartings
RG - Mike Michalske, Ray Brown
RT - Rayfield Wright

4-3 Defense: Running Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
DT - William Perry, Casey Hampton
DT - Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
MLB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Ray Nischke, Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

3-4 Defense: Passing Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
NT - Casey Hampton, William Perry, Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
WILB - Ray Nischke
SILB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

Special Teams:

KOS - Neil Rackers
K - Neil Rackers
P - Bryan Barker
KR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
PR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail

Staff:

HC - John Madden

[JCMElway]

OK, I was going to kick off the QB free agent round yesterday, but missed it. SO. QB free agency starts tonight at 12 AM CST. (Tuesday the 20th) Post the QBs you want to bid on and how much $ you'll invest in them. Remember, we have $1,000 available.

Everyone gets to see everyone else's bids, so it's an open bidding war.

[phisig150]

Kenny Stabler $100

[JCMElway]

Not quite Tuesday. Oh well, we can start the bidding now. The bid for Stabler is 1/10th of Phisig's cap. $150 anyone?

[JCMElway]

I will bid on Earl (Dutch) Clark. My bid is $5.

[Rocket 7]

I bid $5 on Norm Van Brocklin

[youcandoit1687]

is there a minimum bid? 5?1?

[JCMElway]

I thought really hard about NVB. Waterford offered me more flexibility, tho. And also had decent numbers. Van Brock is a helluva guy to pick up for $5, tho'. Of course that's hoping no one else bids on him all the way through tomorrow.

[JCMElway]

is there a minimum bid? 5?1?

$1 is the minimum bid. Who you got yer eye on Youcan?

[youcandoit1687]

cool thanks. ill get started on my bidding tm

[JCMElway]

About to go to bed. So, the current bids:

Stabler, Phisig, $100
Dutch Clark, JCM, $5
Van Brocklin, Dipso, $5

I won't be around until kind of late tomorrow. If anyone wants to update the bidding board, that'd be great.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Since Old Dude is ducking the draft :) I will go with Dick LeBeau as player coach - with this group anyone could win.

THE OLD FARTS

QB - Roger Staubach, Bob Griese
RB - OJ Simpson, Jim Taylor, Joe Don Looney
FB - Joe Perry
WR - Paul Warfield, Boyd Dowler
WR - Harold Carmichael, Frank Gifford
TE - John Mackey, Bob Trumpy
T - Bob St Clair, Winston HIll
G -Joe Delamielleure, Max Montoya
C - Jim Ringo, Charlie Ane
G- Jerry Kramer
T - Stan Jones

DE - Bubba Smith, Fred Dryer
DT - Alex Karras, Jim Marshall
DT - Randy White, Dave Butz
DE - Ed Too Tall Jones
WOLB - Brad Van Pelt, Scott Studwell
MLB - Joe Schmidt, Steve Nelson
SOLB - Wayne Walker - Will also be PK, Clay Mathews
CB - Lem Barney
CB - Tom Brookshier, Abe Woodson (also KR)
SS - Dick LeBeau (player - Head Coach), Jake Scott
FS - Dick Anderson

PR - Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
P – Don Chandler

[youcandoit1687]

$1 is the minimum bid. Who you got yer eye on Youcan?


lol hopefully people that nobody else does. no clues tho, man. hopefully youll be impressed and surprised.

can we set a rule so that people dont juust chime in at 11:59 with their bids
i say the latest u can enter is at 6:00 pm

who else is doing this thing besides JCM, Dipso, Big Guy, and myself?

[phisig150]

I kind of misunderstood the rules to this. I thought you posted your maximum bid like on ebay. $100 dollars is a little high foR Stabler.

[phisig150]

I'm having buyers remorse. I'll rescind Stabler. Take Rothlisberger, and still overpay for $75 and give $25 of my cap to anyone that wants to pick up Stabler.

[phisig150]

Eddie George min bid $10 max bid $30

If outbid for George, Stephen Davis min $5 max bid $15

[youcandoit1687]

I'm having buyers remorse. I'll rescind Stabler. Take Rothlisberger, and still overpay for $75 and give $25 of my cap to anyone that wants to pick up Stabler.

one of my guys down

[youcandoit1687]

jake delhomme $1

[youcandoit1687]

current bids:
Stabler, starting bid = $25
Ben Roethlisberger, Phisig150, $75
Eddie George, Phisig150, $10
Dutch Clark, JCMElway, $5
Van Brocklin, Dipso, $5
Jake Delhomme,youcandoit1687, $1
Jay Cutler,youcandoit1687, $1

please update this with your posts. thanks

*im imposing the rule that if "signings" or "offers" or whatever arent in by 6 CST then they are no go? anybody second that. that means u have three hours from this post to get em in. i just dont think its fair for somebody to come in at 11:59 and post their guy

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

John David Crow - $5
Chuck Foreman - $5

[youcandoit1687]

current bids:
Stabler, starting bid = $25
Ben Roethlisberger, Phisig150, $75
Eddie George, Phisig150, $10
Dutch Clark, JCMElway, $5
Van Brocklin, Dipso, $5
Jake Delhomme,youcandoit1687, $1
Jay Cutler,youcandoit1687, $1
John David Crow, Big Guy, $5
Chuck Foreman, Big Guy, $5

please update this with your posts. thanks

*im imposing the rule that if "signings" or "offers" or whatever arent in by 6 CST then they are no go? anybody second that. that means u have three hours from this post to get em in. i just dont think its fair for somebody to come in at 11:59 and post their guy

[JCMElway]

Hold on guys! Today is QBs. Tommorrow is RBs. Hold off on the RBs until Wednesday. And bids can come in until 11:59.

Also, this ain't ebay. No minimum or maximum. Make your bid and hope you win.

So the QB's are:

Stabler, Phisig, $25
Ben Roethlisberger, Phisig150, $75
Dutch Clark, JCMElway, $5
Van Brocklin, Dipso, $5
Jake Delhomme,youcandoit1687, $1
Jay Cutler, JCMElway, $3

[JCMElway]

*im imposing the rule that if "signings" or "offers" or whatever arent in by 6 CST then they are no go? anybody second that. that means u have three hours from this post to get em in. i just dont think its fair for somebody to come in at 11:59 and post their guy

What difference does it make what time you mark as the deadline for a certain position? If 6 was the time deadline than you could get a bid in at the last minute at 5:59. The time limit is 11:59 PM CST.

If you definetly want a guy, get a high bid in and scare everyone off.

By the by, I'm bidding $3 on Jay Cutler. 8:19 CST.

[youcandoit1687]

jay cutler $5 - wont be here tonight JCM, dont kill me lol. and what happened to u going with the old timers

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Well Youcandoit asked me to make sure he got either Cutler or Delhomme. It is 11:00 CST so it appears he got them both.

Just got home from the Rockies game - ugliest 1 hitter ever, but a win. Haven't seen the stats but Oakland must have stranded a dozen or so on the bases. Looks like Helton is ready to break out.

Guess its time for RBs so I will stay with my bids of:

John David Crow - $5
Chuck Foreman -$5

[youcandoit1687]

awesome. wow was that inactive. i was expecting some bidding war but o well


cadillac williams - $1
ronnie brown - $1
hell why not...
cedric benson - $1

i could just make this into a spend fest
anyways ive spent 6 dollars already.

[Old Dude]

Arkie: John Elway, Dan Hampton, Eric Dickerson, Alan Page, Steve Largent, Willie Lanier, Jim Otto, Larry Wilson, Mike Ditka, Chris Doleman, Larry Allen, Ricky Jackson, Mel Renfro, James Lofton, Leslie O'Neal, Chris Hinton, Howard Griffith, Ruben Brown, Lester Hayes, George Kunz, Donnie Shell, Greg Lloyd, Mark Clayton, Sam Mills, Tim McDonald, Mel Gray, Jay Novacek, Roger Craig, Bill Bergey, Dennis Harrah, Gary Clark, La'Roi Glover, Jim Kelly, Garo Yepremian, Darren Bennett, Alan Ameche, Al Blozis, Marv Levy (HC), John Taylor, Ralph Neely, Bobby Boyd.


CB24/BMF: Walter Payton, Tom Brady, Rod Smith, Ozzie Newsome, Michael Strahan, Willie Brown, Brian Urlacher, Dante Lavelli, Dan Dierdorf, Terrell Owens, Karl Mecklenburg, Kyle Turley, Jan Stenrud, Lyle Alzado, Bill Romanowski, Deron Cherry, Edgerrin James, Kevin Mawae, Lenny Dawson, Howard Mudd, Dick Stanfel, Cory Schlessinger, Adam Archuleta, Jeff Saturday, Bryant Young, LeRoy Butler, Pepper Johnson, Bill Bellichek (HC), Keith Millard, Sean Landetta, Levon Kirkland, Keenan McCardell, Erasmus James, Otis Anderson, Hardy Nickerson, Alfred Williams, Ahman Green, Kyle Brady, Mike Vrabel, Braylon Edwards, Rulon Jones.


Phisig: Barry Sanders, Jack Lambert, Merlin Olsen, Rod Woodson, Steve Atwater, Derrick Brooks, Mel Blount, John Randle, Marvin Harrison, Bruce Matthews, Willie Roaf, Dwight Freeney, John Lynch, Jeremy Shockey, Isaac Bruce, Joey Porter, Adam Vinatieri, Steve Wisenewski, Matt Birk, Steve Hutchinson, Richard Seymour, Donovan McNabb, Jimmy Smith, Dante Hall, Todd Sauerbrun, Terrell Suggs, Donnie Edwards, Patrick Surtain, Jason Taylor, Wesley Walls, Kevin Gogan, Bill Cowher (HC), Chris Samuels, Sonny Jurgenson, Chris Spielman, Nick Mangold, Brock Marion, Reggie Wayne, D'Brickshaw Ferguson, Corey Dillion, Rocky Blier.


Eddie Mac: Joe Montana, Deion Sanders, Gale Sayers, Lance Alworth, Walter Jones, Bronko Nagurski, Lee Roy Selmon, Richard Dent, Raymond Berry, Bill George , Kevin Greene, Tom Mack, Willie Wood, Frank Gatski, Yale Lary, Arnie Weinmeister, Ben Coates, Cornelius Bennett, Lomas Brown, Nick Buoniconti, Bill Fralic, Frank Minnifield, Fred Biletnikoff, Franco Harris, Ray Childress, George Blanda, George Connor, Dave Grayson, Chuck Noll (HC), Ed Budde, Riley Odoms, Michael Dean Perry, Keith Brooking, Dwight Hicks, Art Powell, Jevon Kearse, Mick Tingelhoff, Ricky Watters, Butch Byrd, Y A Tittle, Harvey Martin.


Big Guy: Bubba Smith, John Mackey, OJ Simpson, Paul Warfield, Ed Too Tall Jones, Randy White, Roger Staubach, Lem Barney, Joe Schmidt, Jim Ringo, Joe Delamielleure, Bob St Clair, Alex Karras, Harold Carmichael, Jim Taylor, Jerry Kramer, Dick LeBeau, Stan Jones, Jim Marshall, Brad Van Pelt, Dick Anderson, Wayne Walker, Bob Griese, Frank Gifford, Tom Brookshier, Joe Perry, Jake Scott, Fred Dryer, Winston Hill, Dave Butz, Abe Woodson, Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, Boyd Dowler, Scott Studwell, Max Montoya, Don Chandler, Charlie Ane, Steve Nelson, Joe Don Looney, Clay Mathews, Bob Trumpy.



-Slap- : Johnny Unitas, Earl Campbell, Shannon Sharpe, John Hannah, Randy Gradishar, Jack Ham, Doug Atkins, Lenny Moore, Torry Holt, Dennis Smith, Buck Buchanan, Brian Dawkins, Bob "Boomer" Brown, Aeneas Williams, Russ Washington, Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb, Andre Tippett, Olin Kruetz, Lemar Parrish, Curtis Martin, Charles Haley, Rick Upchurch, Joe Gibbs (HC), Fred Smerlas, Keith Jackson, Bob Hayes WR, Keith Byars, Ed White, Matt Blair, Coy Bacon, Ray Donaldson, Neil Lomax, Pat McInally, David Akers, Cornell Green, Andy Russell, Ron Wolfley, Jim Lachey, Raymond Clayborn, Jeff Siemon, Joe Washington.


Old Dude: Jim Brown, Anthony Munoz, Bob Lilly, Sammy Baugh, Don Hutson, Gino Marchetti, Marion Motely, Emlen Tunnell, Mel Hein, Red Grange, Gene Upshaw, Tommy Nobis, Roosevelt Brown, Cliff Harris, Len Ford, Ernie Stautner, Chuck Howley, Gene Hickerson, Fred Arbanas, Bobby Mitchell, Paul Brown (HC), Les Richter, Lou Groza, Don Maynard, Emmitt Thomas, Floyd Little, Sid Luckman, Ernie Ladd, Chris Hanburger, Lee Roy Jordan, Whizzer White, Jack Butler, Erich Barnes, Mac Speedie, Jon Morris, Joe Stydahar, Ernie Nevers, Link Lyman, Cal Hubbard, Walt Sweeney, Dave Robinson.


Bronco LB 52: Jerry Rice, Mean Joe Greene, Peyton Manning, Bo Jackson, Sam Huff, Herb Adderley, Ted Hendricks, Frank "Bruiser" Kinard, Elvin Bethea, Ron Mix, Larry Little, Charley Taylor, Edward Reed, Billy Thompson, Leroy Kelly, Albert Lewis, Bob Kuechenberg, Robert Brazile, Larry Brooks, Fred Dean, Todd Christiansen, Joe Namath, Tommy McDonald, Otis Taylor, George “Papa Bear” Halas (HC), Kent Hull, Paul Hourning, Bill Arnsparger (DC), Maxie Baughan, Carnell Lake, George Andrie, Ben Davidson, Bobby Layne, Houston Antwine, Speedy Duncan, Rich Saul, Dan Fortmann, Bob Swenson, Billy Joe Dupree, Rohn Stark, Charley Trippi.


Dipso: Otto Graham, Terrell Davis, Ray Lewis, Cris Carter, Dwight Stephenson, Ken Houston, Steve Van Buren, Jimmy Johnson, Randall McDaniel, Rich "Tombstone" Jackson, Jackie Smith, Kenny Easley, Roger Wehrli, Joe Jacoby, Mike Curtis, Leo "The Lion" Nomellini, Herman Moore, Chad Johnson, Lorenzo Neal, Mark Gastineau, Joe Fortunato, Roger Brown, Bruce Armstrong, Don Shula (HC), Guy McIntyre, Terry Bradshaw, Gilbert Brown, Jesse Tuggle, DeAngelo Hall, Bart Oates, Sean Taylor, Larry Centers, Conrad Dobler, Michael Sinclair, Mike Vanderjagt, Herschel Walker, Russ Francis, Bob Whitfield, Chris Gardocki, Terrance Mathis, Isiah Robertson


Toad/Youcandoit1687: Mike Singletary, Steve Young, Ronnie Lott, Art Shell, John Stallworth, John Riggins, Tony Gonzalez, Dave Wilcox, Hines Ward, Ty Law, Ron Yary, Jonathan Vilma, Clyde "Bulldog” Turner, Julius Peppers, Billy Shaw, Henry Jordan, Tony Siragusa, Shaun Alexander, Keyshawn Johnson, Trevor Pryce, Roy Williams, Doak Walker, James “Jimbo” Covert, Dan Sandifer, Mike Brown, Larry Johnson, William Henderson, Sam Madison, Vince Lombardi (HC), Anthony Miller, Bob Baumhower, Archie Manning, Chuck Drazenovich, Willie McGinest, Ryan Longwell, Brian Moorman, Darrien Gordon, Jeremiah Trotter, Anquan Boldin, LeBron James, Javon Walker.

JCMElway: Dick Butkus; Emmitt Smith; Dan Fouts; Dick "Night Train" Lane; Willie Davis; Forrest Gregg; Jim Thorpe; Elroy "Crazy Legs" Hirsch; George "Moose" Musso; Chuck Bednarik; Carl Eller; Charlie Joiner; Jim Langer; Tom Jackson; Joe Klecko; Joey Browner; Charlie Sanders; Lou Creekmur; Everson Walls; Steve Tasker; Curley Culp; Lionel Taylor; Brian Mitchell; Tom Landry; Morten Andersen; Bill Willis; John Henry Johnson; Hugh McElhenny; Ken Riley; Drew Pearson; Johnny Robinson; Rubin Carter; Jim Tyrer; John Offerdahl; Jerry Mays; George Webster; Ron Kramer; Cookie Gilchrist; Tom Sestak; Bob Waterfield; Mike Kenn.

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I'll keep editing this as the rosters are posted.

[youcandoit1687]

cmon OD get in on the FA action. its so broing right now. i might as well just get a whole team through FA

[Old Dude]

cmon OD get in on the FA action. its so broing right now. i might as well just get a whole team through FA

Sorry. I've just been really tied up with personal stuff for the past few days, and that will prolly continue for a few more.

[Rocket 7]

Essex Johnson Bengals $10

[Rocket 7]

William Andrews Falcons $10

[JCMElway]

The awarding of plaerys begins Stabler-Phisig, $25
Ben Roethlisberger-Phisig150, $75
Dutch Clark-JCMElway, $5
Van Brocklin-Dipso, $5
Jake Delhomme,youcandoit1687, $1
Jay Cutler-Youcan, $3

RBs almost done....

[JCMElway]

Billy Sims - $20
Chuck Muncie - $5
James Brooks - $3
Mercury Morris -$5
Wilbert Montgomery - $2

I know I'm bidding late. I'll let the bidding on running backs extend until 10 AM CST and give everyone a shot at any of these guys.

If I win all these RBs I don't know what I'd do with all of them. I just wanted to get their name in the conversation! and I'm not even bidding on Gerald Riggs!

[JCMElway]

Big Guy bids:

John David Crow - $5
Chuck Foreman - $5

Youcan bids:
cadillac williams - $1
ronnie brown - $1
cedric benson - $1

Dipso bids:
Essex Johnson
William Andrews

JCM bids:
Billy Sims - $15
Chuck Muncie - $5
James Brooks - $3
Mercury Morris -$5
Wilbert Montgomery - $2
Gerald Riggs - $1
Sammy Winder -$1

I thought about bidding on Foreman, but I have so many possible pickups here!

[JCMElway]

Youcan, my FA RB prospects beat the HELL out of yours! ;)

[JCMElway]

FA clock:

FA RBs can be bid upon until 12 PM CST

FA WRs start at 12 AM CST

[JCMElway]

I'm gonna put a bid in on Sammy Winder as well. I thought of him as a mediocre back, but look how he stacks up to Terrell:

Davis: Overall, Davis finished his 7 NFL seasons with 7,607 rushing yards, 169 receptions for 1,280 yards, and 65 touchdowns (60 rushing and 5 receiving).

Winder: In his 9 seasons, Winder rushed for 5,427 yards and 39 touchdowns, while also catching 197 passes for 1,302 yards and 9 touchdowns.

Not stellar numbers, but very steady and consistent. And Winder had better numbers than Otis Armstrong!

[youcandoit1687]

dude, i pick up on potential thatt is unreached mixed with talent already shown. how much potential does mercury morris have left in the tank? lol

and i suggest that we just make a whole team of FAs for those who ar participating. plenty of players left

[JCMElway]

A whole team? Wow, don't know if I'm ready for that kind of committment! And I will take Morris' accomplishments over your potetntial any day. This draft is about the all time greats, not the some day greats!

Hmmmm.....If I knew we were bidding on a whole team I would have worked harder to sign Van Brocklin or Stabler. Ah well. I can't put a whole bunch of time into it, but I'll bid on who I can.

Maybe I'll keep some $ at the end to pick up another QB

[eddie mac]

Clinton Portis $1

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Free Agent WRs

Gail Cogdill $1
Gene Washington (Vikings) $1

[youcandoit1687]

Clinton Portis $1


already picked man

[youcandoit1687]

Muhsin Muhammad - $1

[youcandoit1687]

Antonio "Lambeau Leap" Freeman - $1

and also what do i need to pay to add steve deberg as my fifth QB. i couldnt resist, hes in the top 16 in completions and passing yards all time.

[Rocket 7]

Al Toon $5

[JCMElway]

Here are the RBs!

John David Crow - $5
Chuck Foreman - $5

Youcan bids:
cadillac williams - $1
ronnie brown - $1
cedric benson - $1

Dipso bids:
Essex Johnson
William Andrews

JCM bids:
Billy Sims - $15
Chuck Muncie - $5
James Brooks - $3
Mercury Morris -$5
Wilbert Montgomery - $2
Gerald Riggs - $1
Sammy Winder -$1

[JCMElway]

My bids for the WR round:

Roy Green - $4
Chirs Collinsworth - $3
Mark Duper - $3
Gino Cappeletti - $3

[JCMElway]

WR bids will go until 11:59 PM Wednesday.

TEs and OLine start at Midnight and will go all day Friday. Bidding will resume on Monday with DLineman

[phisig150]

Freeman $2O

[Rocket 7]

Freeman $2O
$40

[JCMElway]

OK, our first bidding war. Antonio Freeman currently going to Dipso for $40.

[Rocket 7]

Muhsin Muhammad - $1
$10

[JCMElway]

WR final postings are above. Now on to the Oline and TEs.

My bids:

Jeff Van Note, C, $4
Alex Wojceichowicz , C, $4
Tom Glassic, G, $3
Dan Fortmann, G, $4
Bob Talamini, G, $3
Walt Kiesling, G, $4
Ken Lanier, T, $2
Winston Hill, T, $3
Tunch Ilkin, T, $3
Blake Brockermeyer, T, $2
Pete Retzlaff, TE, $4
Jimmie Giles, TE, $2
Frank Wycheck, TE, $2

[JCMElway]

Here are the WR finals!
Big Guy:
Gail Cogdill $1
Gene Washington (Vikings) $1

Dipso
Al Toon - $5
Antonio Freeman - $40
Mushin Muhammad - $10

JCMElway
Roy Green - $4
Chirs Collinsworth - $3
Mark Duper - $3
Gino Cappeletti - $3
Dwight Clark - $3

[youcandoit1687]

they took all my WRs while i was gone. and i was thinking no one was active. ill find some more

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Dick Schafrath OT - $3

[youcandoit1687]

since u took all my original WRs. joey galloway for a dollar
terry glenn in the slot for another dollar
mel gray is another slot player and i think hell also be my KR for a dollar
and hugh taylor for a dollar

[youcandoit1687]

LeCharles Bentley - $1
Matt Lepsis - $1

[youcandoit1687]

Chris Samuels $1
Marco Rivera $1
Tra Thomas $1
kellen winslow II $1
Vernon Davis $1

dont steal my players!lol

[Rocket 7]

Dave Remington $5

[phisig150]

Chris Samuels $1
Marco Rivera $1
Tra Thomas $1
kellen winslow II $1
Vernon Davis $1

dont steal my players!lol

I already drafted Samuels. For tampering with my players I will bid $50 for Marco Rivera, $30 for VD.

[phisig150]

LeCharles Bently $30

[phisig150]

[QUOTE=youcandoit1687]since u took all my original WRs. joey galloway for a dollar
terry glenn in the slot for another dollar
mel gray is another slot player and i think hell also be my KR for a dollar
and hugh taylor for a dollar[/QUOTE

mel gray was also drafted. But Wayne Cherbet wasn't so I will take for $1

[JCMElway]

OK, quite a bit of activity here. I'll have an update up on Sunday.

Oh, and I'll also bid $1 on Dwight Clark.

[youcandoit1687]

so i got lepsis, tra thomas, and kw2. ugh u guys suck i fall asleep for like 5 hours and sleep through the deadline. im like the marlins, i just find the talent and u all outbid me

[youcandoit1687]

willie anderson for a dollar
flozell adams for another dollar
mike flanagan for a dollar

heres how im gonna work it. gonna have lepsis as the pulling guard. flo and tra as the tackles and willie as non pulling guard and my center will be mike flanagan 6 5 301. the run game emphasizes power, with all tackles(except the guard). lepsis will have mobility to pull. u wont stop the run game! and u cant steal my players now lol. afraid ill have to leave my Dlinmen out for bidding since i wont be back till tuesday afternoon

[JCMElway]

so i got lepsis, tra thomas, and kw2. ugh u guys suck i fall asleep for like 5 hours and sleep through the deadline. im like the marlins, i just find the talent and u all outbid me

You find all the talent? You haven't listed one guy that interested me in the least. ;D

[JCMElway]

Hey youcan, go ahead and bid on your dlineman now. Wouldn't want you to miss the fun.

And if you're gonna be gone Monday, bid high.....

[youcandoit1687]

You find all the talent? You haven't listed one guy that interested me in the least. ;D

lol unfortunately dipso and phi150 cant say the same thing.

[youcandoit1687]

hugh douglas - $1
adewale ogunleye - $1
and heres where some weird picks come in
shaq, yes shaquille o neal - $1

im gonna rund the 3-4

[Rocket 7]

Ed Sprinkle $5

[JCMElway]

OK, it's almost midnight CST. Bidding on Dlineman is active until 11:59 PM CST on Monday.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Ross Browner $2

[JCMElway]

Paul Smith, DE, $10
Greg Kragen, DT, $4
Robert Porcher, DE, $7
Rosy Grier, DT, $10
Ron McDole, DT, $4

[JCMElway]

Bidding for LBs starts at Midnight and ends at 11:59 AM Tuesday.

[JCMElway]

Wow, no one has bid on any LBs. I may be all alone here, but here goes:

Frank Hinkey, MLB (Projected), Harvard University, $27 (The man was brutal, plain and simple.)
Billy Ray Smith, OLB, $4
Mo Lewis, MLB, $3
Kevin Hardy, OLB, $2
Mike Stratton, OLB, $10

[youcandoit1687]

alright back in town and just back from football in time to add:
takeo spikes for a dollar
julian peterson for another dollar
lavar arrington for a dollar
manny lawson for a dollar

takeo and lavar in the middles and manny and julian on the outsides(this will be my 3-4 defense)

[JCMElway]

alright back in town and just back from football in time to add:
takeo spikes for a dollar
julian peterson for another dollar
lavar arrington for a dollar
manny lawson for a dollar

takeo and lavar in the middles and manny and julian on the outsides(this will be my 3-4 defense)

Peterson is a good pickup, Lawson has potential. Aerrington and Spikes (YAWN.)

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Bob Stein - $2
Paul Neumauf - $2

[youcandoit1687]

Peterson is a good pickup, Lawson has potential. Aerrington and Spikes (YAWN.)

arrington and spikes yawn? lol cmon man. i was expecting big bids on those two and relatively nothing. theyre both the best defenders on their respective defense or very close IMO. u and ur old guys JCM lol. doesnt make for much competition since nobody is really active on this thing. its too bad ppl lost interest in the draft. hopefully it picks up for matchups

[JCMElway]

Yeah, I gotta get a couple of round by rounders to OD to get that thread going.

And sorry I'm not enthused about Spikes and what not, but those guys have not endured the test of time. Almost everyone of my guys has put up hall of fame numbers or has at least gotten some consideration. Will Spikes be as respected as Stratton was after his career is over? I don't think so.

But, it makes for good discussion.

[JCMElway]

I'm running a bit behind! DBs until noon on Thursday!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Bill Simpson $1

[youcandoit1687]

fair enough JCM, i figure however at this point that they are the best talent for the best price. theyre also "my" guys since theyre from "my generation" so i like to have players who im more familiar with.

[youcandoit1687]

CB deltha o'neal for a dollar(he is a pick monster if nothing else)
SS Blaine Bishop
FS Michael Huff(strictly a longhorn, not that other team)
CB terry mcdaniel(seahawks, forget the fade)

all for a dollar. coaches tm?

[JCMElway]

CB deltha o'neal for a dollar(he is a pick monster if nothing else)
SS Blaine Bishop
FS Michael Huff(strictly a longhorn, not that other team)
CB terry mcdaniel(seahawks, forget the fade)

all for a dollar. coaches tm?

Once again, I'm gonna pass on all these guys. It's not a question of my time or your time. The question is "are any of these guys one of the all time greats?"

I say no. But of the group, Blaine Bishop is the only decent pick.

[JCMElway]

Here are some guys that I think could be considered Great.

Pat Fischer, CB - $14
George Saimes, SS - $10
George McAfee, CB - $4
David Fulcher, SS - $12
Aaron Glenn, CB - $4
James Hasty, CB - $7
Bill Bradley, FS - $3
Chris Dishman, CB - $4
Steve Foley, FS - $5

I did select one current NFLer, simply because he proved himself over his whole career.

[JCMElway]

Special Teamers start at midnight and end at 11:59 AM CST on Thursday.

[youcandoit1687]

i thot about glenn but his numbers dont particularly standout to me. 2/12 pro bowls. 3 INTs a year, about 40 tackles a year. fischer 3/17 pro bowls, is only 7th on the redskins INT list after 10 years(albeit in the pre-passing era really). ses he was a vicious hitter tho. Fo-Rock does sound like a pretty cool guy and was probably one of the bigger DBs of his time, too bad injuries cut him short. once again, i never saw him play tho but nice find

[JCMElway]

Special Teamer bids:

Jerrel Wilson, P - $1
Jim Turner, K - $3
Gino Cappeletti, K/P/WR/KR/PR - $5
Paul Maguire, P/LB - $1

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Chester Marcol K $2 and a bottle of vodka

[JCMElway]

OK, Coaches until Midnight CST

Off Coord -- Don Coryell, $300
Def Coord -- Bill Cowher, $250
RB Coach -- Bobby Turner, $259

[youcandoit1687]

ill one-up your OCO JCM with the "father" of coryell's scheme....

Offensive Coordinator – Sid Gillman(Chargers coach and innovator of West Coast Offense)<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
Co-Defensive Coordinator/DBs Coach – Nick Saban(DB coach under Bellichick and Defensive master)<o:p></o:p>
Co-Defensive Coordinator – Ron Rivera(Current Bears Defensive Coordinator)<o:p></o:p>
RB coach – Bobby Turner $260, sry JCM lol
QB coach – Jeff Tedford/Jack Elway, each for a dollar, tedford teaches technique, elway teaches the rest
DLine Coach – Rod Marinelli, centerpiece of Bucs' defense
WRs Coach – Mike Heimerdinger, our SB WR coach
Special Teams Coach – Rusty Tillman, "The King" of special teams
Tight Ends Coach – David Johnson, Georgia Univ. TE coach


all for a dollar and i also have player-coaches for free....
O-line Coach – Art Shell<o:p></o:p>
LB Coach – Mike Singletary<o:p></o:p>
Assistant Head Coach – <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place>Clyde</st1:place> “Bulldog” Turner who was sed to have known what every player on the field was doing for every play.

PS. sorry to take your RB coach JCM, guess we have finally agreed on a talent, i had him scouted out from the beginnning. even thot about taking him in the actual draft

[youcandoit1687]

bobby turner 300

[Rocket 7]

bobby turner 300
305 for Bobby Turner

[JCMElway]

Well Damn, I'm capped out. Looks like Youcan has 9 minutes to steal Bobby Turner back.

I'm not too worried about it, Landry and Coryell were always able to run the ball.

[JCMElway]

As far as your coords, I'll give you props for Gilman and R Tilman. Otherwise, all of those guys are reaches for an all time team.

[youcandoit1687]

ahhhhhhh

[JCMElway]

Sorry Youcan. Dipso nabbed him at 11. I would have, but I don't think we're allowed to rescind our bids to pick someone else up.

Heh.

[youcandoit1687]

knew i shoulda gone higher when i left tonight. u suck dipso lol. gonna find a new one on that. lol well, im not so sure bout cowher, JCM but its cool. and how can u not like guys like dinger, who taught rod and ed a lot of what they know, david johnson who keeps cranking TEs outta georgia or the rivera/saban situation, one mastered the pro level, the other mastered the college level and will have the pro level in wraps soon.

lol s'aight tho JCM...ill be back later with a RB coach and returner

[JCMElway]

It's not that I don't like those guys, but once again we're talking about "the best of ALL TIME." This isn't the All time greats during Youcandoit's life span. Dinger is good, but we can talk about if he is one of the all time greats after his career is over.

Tell you what, if Dinger can turn Watts, Terell, and/or Devoe into pro bowl receivers, I may put him up there with the greats.

[JCMElway]

If your depth chart is not up here, please email it to me and we'll start the final evaluations/comparisons.

4. Eddie Mac --The Fighting Irish

QB Joe Montana, YA Tittle, George Blanda
RB Gale Sayers, Franco Harris, Ricky Watters
FB Bronko Nagurski
WR Lance Alworth, Fred Biletnikoff
WR Raymond Berry, Art Powell
TE Ben Coates, Riley Odoms
OT Walter Jones
OT Lomas Brown, George Connor
OG Tom Mack, Ed Budde
OG Bill Fralic, Ed Budde
OC Frank Gatski, Mick Tingelhoff

DE Lee Roy Selmon, Harvey Martin, Jevon Kearse
DE Richard Dent, Ray Childress
NT Arnie Weinmeister, MD Perry, Ray Childress,
OLB Kevin Greene, Keith Brooking
ILB Bill George, George Connor
ILB Nick Buoniconti, George Connor
OLB Cornelius Bennett, Keith Brooking
CB Deion Sanders, Butch Byrd
CB Frank Minniefield, Dave Grayson
S Willie Wood, Dwight Hicks
S Yale Lary, Dwight Hicks

K George Blanda
P Yale Lary
KR/PR Deion Sanders, Yale Lary

HC Chuck Noll

5. Big Guy -- THE OLD FARTS

QB - Roger Staubach, Bob Griese
RB - OJ Simpson, Jim Taylor, Joe Don Looney
FB - Joe Perry
WR - Paul Warfield, Boyd Dowler
WR - Harold Carmichael, Frank Gifford
TE - John Mackey, Bob Trumpy
T - Bob St Clair, Winston HIll
G -Joe Delamielleure, Max Montoya
C - Jim Ringo, Charlie Ane
G- Jerry Kramer
T - Stan Jones

DE - Bubba Smith, Fred Dryer
DT - Alex Karras, Jim Marshall
DT - Randy White, Dave Butz
DE - Ed Too Tall Jones
WOLB - Brad Van Pelt, Scott Studwell
MLB - Joe Schmidt, Steve Nelson
SOLB - Wayne Walker - Will also be PK, Clay Mathews
CB - Lem Barney
CB - Tom Brookshier, Abe Woodson (also KR)
SS - Dick LeBeau, Jake Scott
FS - Dick Anderson

PR - Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
P – Don Chandler

6. Slap -- The KnockYerDickintheDirts

QB Johnny Unitas
RB Earl Campbell
FB Keith Byars
WR Torry Holt
WR Lenny Moore
TE Shannon Sharpe
RT Russ Washington
RG Ed White
C Olin Kruetz
LG John Hannah
LT Bob Brown
LDE Doug Atkins
LDT Gene Lipscomb
RDT Buck Buchanan
RDE Charles Haley
SLB Jack Ham
MLB Randy Gradishar
WLB Andre Tippett
CB Aeneas Williams
FS Brian Dawkins
SS Dennis Smith
CB Lemar Parrish
Backups:
QB Neil Lomax
RB Curtis Martin
FB/ST Ron Wolfley
WR Bob Hayes
WR/RS Rick Upchurch
TE Keith Jackson
C/G Ray Donaldson
OT Jim Lachey

NT Fred Smerlas
DE Coy Bacon
LB Matt Blair
LB Andy Russell
CB/S Cornell Green
CB/RS Raymond Clayborn

K - David Akers
P - Pat McInally

HC Joe Gibbs

7. Clockwork -- The Sacrelegends

QB: Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham
RB: LaDanian Tomlinson, Reggie Bush
FB: Tom Rathman
WR: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald
WR: Art Monk, Ed McCaffrey
TE: Todd Heap, Steve Jordan
OT: Jackie Slater, Tony Jones
OG: Russ Grimm, Jesse Sapolu
C: Mike Webster, Keith Bishop
OG: Nate Newton
OT: Erik Williams

DE: Reggie White, Simon Fletcher
DT: Art Donovan, Bill Maas
DT: John Henderson
DE: Jack Youngblood, Charles Mann

LB: Harry Carson, Peter Boulware
LB: Zach Thomas
LB: Wilber Marshall, Jessie Armstead

CB: Charles Woodson, Samari Rolle
CB: Eric Allen, Nathan Vasher
FS: Darren Woodson, Mark Carrier
SS: Rodney Harrison

K: Jason Elam
P: Reggie Roby

Coach: Bill Walsh

Rshackleford -- The Fightin' Daves:

QB: Dan Marino, Troy Aikman
RB: J. Bettis, T. Thomas
FB: M. Strong, C. Heyward
WR: Sterling Sharpe, M. Irvin, H. Ellard
TE: K. Winslow, Brent Jones
OT: J. Ogden, T. Boselli
OG: B. Hamilton, B. Waters
C: J. Hilgenberg, J. Christy
DE: B. Smith, N. Smith, Claude Humphrey
DT: C. Kennedy, G. Warren
MLB: L. Tatupu, T. Bruschi
OLB: D. Thomas, P. Swilling, S. Joyner
FS: G. Fencik, D. Sharper
SS: Bob Sanders, L. Milloy
CB: C. Bailey, C. McAllister, D. Bly
KR/PR: D. Howard
K: N. Johnson
P: J. Feagles
Coach: M. Shanahan

9. Old Dude's OLD DUDES

QB: Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman
HB: Floyd Little, Whizzer White
FB: Jim Brown, Marion Motely
WR: Don Hutson, Don Maynard, Bobby Mitchell, Mac Speedie
TE: Fred Arbanas, Cal Hubbard
OT: Anthony Munoz, Roosevelt Brown, Lou Groza
OG: Gene Upshaw, Gene Hickerson, Walt Sweeney
C: Jon Morris, Mel Hein

DT: Bob Lilly, Ernie Ladd, Ernie Stautner, Link Lyman
DE: Gino Marchetti, Len Ford, Joe Stydahar
OLB: Chuck Howley, Chris Hanburger, Dave Robinson, Les Richter
MLB: Tommy Nobis, Lee Roy Jordan
FS: Cliff Harris, Red Grange
SS: Emlen Tunnell, Ernie Nevers
CB: Emmit Thomas, Erich Barnes, Jack Butler

PK: Lou Groza, Les Richter
P: Sammy Baugh, Whizzer White
Returns: Mitchell & Little

HC: Paul Brown

10. Killericon

Offense:

QB - Bart Starr, Micheal Vick
RB - Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis
FB - Mike Alstott
WR - Tim Brown, Andre Rison
WR - Lynn Swann, Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
WR - Joe Horn
TE - Dave Casper, Alge Crumpler
LT - Gary Zimmerman
LG - Will Shields
C - Tom Nalen, Jeff Hartings
RG - Mike Michalske, Ray Brown
RT - Rayfield Wright

4-3 Defense: Running Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
DT - William Perry, Casey Hampton
DT - Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
MLB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Ray Nischke, Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

3-4 Defense: Passing Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
NT - Casey Hampton, William Perry, Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
WILB - Ray Nischke
SILB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

Special Teams:

KOS - Neil Rackers
K - Neil Rackers
P - Bryan Barker
KR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
PR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail

Staff:

HC - John Madden

11. Ray Finkle's depth Chart:

QB: Brett Favre
RB:Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes
FB: Sam Gash, Daryl Johnston
WR: Tom Fears, Mike Quick
WR: Pete Pihos, Eric Metcalf
TE: Mark Bavaro, Randy McMichael
OT: Orlando Pace
OT: Mike McCormack, Paul Gruber
OG: Jim Parker
OG: Mark Schlereth, John Hicks
C: Dermontti Dawson, George Trafton
DT: Jerome Brown, Rod Coleman
DT: Sam Adams
DE: Eric Swann, Bryce Paup
DE: Andy Robustelli
OLB: Lawrence Taylor
MLB: Junior Seau
OLB: Ken Norton, Dan Morgan
CB: Mike Haynes, Troy Vincent
CB: Dale Carter
SS: Jack Christiansen, Chuck Cecil
FS: Merton Hanks, Pat Tillman

P: Ray Guy
K: Nick Lowery
HC: Parcells

12. Bronco LB 52

QB: Peyton Manning, Joe Namath, Bobby Layne
RB: Bo Jackson, Paul Hourning, LeRoy Kelly, Charley Trippi
FB: Maxie Baughn, LeRoy Kelly
WR: Jerry Rice, Tommy McDonald
WR: Charley Taylor, Otis Taylor
TE: Todd Christiansen, Billy Joe Dupree
LT: Larry Little, Rich Saul
LG: Ron Mix, Rich Saul
C: Bob Kuechenberg, Kent Hull
RG: Dan Fortmann, Rich Saul
RT: Frank "Bruiser" Kinard, Rich Saul

DE: Elvin Bethea
DT: Mean Joe Greene, Houston Antwine
DT: Larry Brooks, Fred Dean
DE: George Andrie, Ben Davidson
SOLB: Ted Hendricks, Maxie Baughn
MLB: Sam Huff, Maxie Baughn
WOLB: Robert Brazile, Bob Swenson
CB: Herb Adderly, Speedy Duncan
SS: Ed Reed, Carnell Lake
FS: Billy Thompson, Carnell Lake
CB: Albert Lewis, Charley Trippi

KR/PR: Charley Trippi, Tommy McDonald
K: Paul Hourning
P: Rohn Stark
HC: George “Papa Bear” Halas
Def Coord: Bill Arnsparger

13. Toad/Youcandoit
QB - Steve Young, Archie Manning
RB – Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson
FB/HB – John Riggins, William Henderson, Doak Walker
WR - John Stallworth, Anquan Boldin,Anthony Miller
WR - Hines Ward, Javon Walker, Keyshawn Johnson
TE - Tony Gonzalez, LeBron James
T - Art Shell
G - Billy Shaw
C - Clyde "Bulldog" Turner
G - Jimbo Covert
T - Ron Yary
DE - Julius Peppers
DT - Henry Jordan, Bob Baumhower
DT - Tony Siragusa
DE - Trevor Pryce, Willie McGinest
OLB - Dave Wilcox
MLB - Mike Singletary, Jeremiah Trotter
OLB - Jonathan Vilma, Chuck Drazenovich
CB - Ty Law, Darien Gordon
FS - Roy Williams, Mike Brown
SS - Ronnie Lott
CB - Dan Sandifer

P - Brian Moorman
K - Ryan Longwell
R – Darien Gordon
Coach - Vince Lombardi

14. Dipso's Maniacs
QB- Otto Graham, Terry Bradshaw
RB- Terrell Davis, Steve Van Buren, Herschel Walker
FB- Lorenzo Neal, Larry Centers
WR- Cris Carter, Chad Johnson
WR- Herman Moore, Terrance Mathis
TE- Jackie Smith, Russ Francis
T- Joe Jacoby, Bob Whitfield
G- Randall McDaniel, Conrad Dobler
C- Dwight Stephenson, Bart Oates
G- Guy McIntyre
T- Bruce Armstrong, Leo "The Lion" Nomellini

DE- Rich "Tombstone" Jackson, Michael Sinclair
DT- Roger Brown, Gilbert Brown
DT- Leo "The Lion" Nomellini,
DE- Mark Gastineau
OLB- Mike Curtis
MLB- Ray Lewis, Jesse Tuggle
OLB- Joe Fortunato Isiah Robertson
CB- Jimmy Johnson
CB- Roger Wehrli, DeAngelo Hall
SS- Ken Houston, Sean Taylor
FS- Kenny "Easley like Sunday Morning"

K- Mike Vanderjagt
P- Chris Gardocki

PR- DeAngelo Hall
KR- Herschel Walker

HC - Don Shula

15. Mr. Trout’s Team Depth Chart

OFFENSE
QB, Fran Tarkenton, Eli Manning, Tony Canadeo or Nolan Cromwell
RB Tony Dorsett, Steven Jackson, Tony Canadeo
FB, Larry Csonka, Jason Witten
WR, Andre Reed, Steve Smith (KR, PR)
WR, Irving Fryar, Roy Williams
TE, Antonio Gates, Jason Witten
T, Richmond Webb, Tarik Glenn
G, Mike Munchack, Mike Wahle
C, Mark Stepnoski, Randy Cross
G, Alan Faneca, Mike Wahle
T, John Runyan, Tarik Glenn

DEFENSE
DE, Deacon Jones, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
DT, Jamal Williams, Howie Long
DT, Kevin Williams, Chris Hovan
DE, Howie Long, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
OLB, Bobby Bell, Darryl Talley
MLB, Mike Peterson, James Farrior
OLB, Keith Bulluck, Darryl Talley
CB, Darrel Green, Rashean Mathis
CB, Louis Wright, Antoine Winfield
S, Jack Tatum, Nolan Cromwell
S, Troy Polamalu, Nolan Cromwell
K, Gary Anderson
P, Shane Lechler
Coach, Hank Stram

16. JCMElway -- Those Cheap Bastards:

QB: Dan Fouts, Bob Waterford
RB: Emmit Smith, Jim Thorpe, Hugh McElhenny
FB: John Henry Johnson, Cookie Gilchrist
WR: Crazy Legs Hirsch, Drew Pearson, Steve Tasker
WR: Charlie Joiner, Lionel Taylor
TE: Charlie Sanders, Ron Kramer
OT: Forrest Gregg, Mike Kenn, Ron Karamer
OG: George Musso, Bill Willis, Mike Kenn
C: Bob Langer, Chuck Badnarik, Mike Kenn
OG: Lou Creekmur, Bill Willis, Mike Kenn
OT: JimTyrer, Mike Kenn, Jerry Mays

DE: Willie Davis, Jerry Mays, George Webster
DT: Joe Klecko, Rubin Carter, Jerry Mays
DT: Curley Culp, Tom Sestak, Bill Willis
DE: Carl Eller, Bill Willis
SOLB: Chuck Bednarik, George Webster
MLB: Dick Butkus, John Offerdahl
WOLB: Tom Jackson, Bill Willis
CB: Dick Night Train Lane, Bob Waterford, Johnny Robinson
FS: Jim Thorpe, Johnny Robinson, Bill Willis
SS: Joey Browner, George Webster
CB: Everson Walls, Ken Riley
Nickel CB: Ken Riley
Dime CB: Johnny Robinson

K: Morten Anderson
P: Jim Thorpe
KR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McElhenny
PR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McEllhenny
ST: Steve Tasker
Third Down Back: Hugh McElhenny
Coach: Tom Landry

[JCMElway]

1. Duke's Dream Team (DDT)

Head Coach: Marv Levy

WR: Steve Largent, Mark Clayton, John Taylor
TE: Mike Ditka, Jay Novacek
RT: George Kunz, Ralph Neely
RG: Larry Allen
C: Jim Otto
LG: Ruben Brown, Dennis Harrah
LT: Chris Hinton, Al Blozis
WR: James Lofton, Gary Clark
QB: John Elway, Jim Kelly
RB: Eric Dickerson, Roger Craig, Mel Gray
FB: Howard Griffith, Alan Ameche

RDE: Chris Doleman
RDT: Alan Page, La'Roi Glover
LDT: Dan Hampton
LDE: Leslie O'Neal
WLB: Greg Lloyd, Bill Bergey
MLB: Willie Lanier, Sam Mills
SLB: Ricky Jackson
CB: Lester Hayes
FS: Larry Wilson
SS: Donnie Shell, Tim McDonald
CB: Mel Renfro, Bobby Boyd

K: Garo Yepremian
P: Darren Bennett
KR: Mel Gray
PR: John Taylor

4. Eddie Mac --The Fighting Irish

QB Joe Montana, YA Tittle, George Blanda
RB Gale Sayers, Franco Harris, Ricky Watters
FB Bronko Nagurski
WR Lance Alworth, Fred Biletnikoff
WR Raymond Berry, Art Powell
TE Ben Coates, Riley Odoms
OT Walter Jones
OT Lomas Brown, George Connor
OG Tom Mack, Ed Budde
OG Bill Fralic, Ed Budde
OC Frank Gatski, Mick Tingelhoff

DE Lee Roy Selmon, Harvey Martin, Jevon Kearse
DE Richard Dent, Ray Childress
NT Arnie Weinmeister, MD Perry, Ray Childress,
OLB Kevin Greene, Keith Brooking
ILB Bill George, George Connor
ILB Nick Buoniconti, George Connor
OLB Cornelius Bennett, Keith Brooking
CB Deion Sanders, Butch Byrd
CB Frank Minniefield, Dave Grayson
S Willie Wood, Dwight Hicks
S Yale Lary, Dwight Hicks

K George Blanda
P Yale Lary
KR/PR Deion Sanders, Yale Lary

HC Chuck Noll

5. Big Guy -- THE OLD FARTS

QB - Roger Staubach, Bob Griese
RB - OJ Simpson, Jim Taylor, Joe Don Looney
FB - Joe Perry
WR - Paul Warfield, Boyd Dowler
WR - Harold Carmichael, Frank Gifford
TE - John Mackey, Bob Trumpy
T - Bob St Clair, Winston HIll
G -Joe Delamielleure, Max Montoya
C - Jim Ringo, Charlie Ane
G- Jerry Kramer
T - Stan Jones

DE - Bubba Smith, Fred Dryer
DT - Alex Karras, Jim Marshall
DT - Randy White, Dave Butz
DE - Ed Too Tall Jones
WOLB - Brad Van Pelt, Scott Studwell
MLB - Joe Schmidt, Steve Nelson
SOLB - Wayne Walker - Will also be PK, Clay Mathews
CB - Lem Barney
CB - Tom Brookshier, Abe Woodson (also KR)
SS - Dick LeBeau, Jake Scott
FS - Dick Anderson

PR - Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
P – Don Chandler

6. Slap -- The KnockYerDickintheDirts

QB Johnny Unitas
RB Earl Campbell
FB Keith Byars
WR Torry Holt
WR Lenny Moore
TE Shannon Sharpe
RT Russ Washington
RG Ed White
C Olin Kruetz
LG John Hannah
LT Bob Brown
LDE Doug Atkins
LDT Gene Lipscomb
RDT Buck Buchanan
RDE Charles Haley
SLB Jack Ham
MLB Randy Gradishar
WLB Andre Tippett
CB Aeneas Williams
FS Brian Dawkins
SS Dennis Smith
CB Lemar Parrish
Backups:
QB Neil Lomax
RB Curtis Martin
FB/ST Ron Wolfley
WR Bob Hayes
WR/RS Rick Upchurch
TE Keith Jackson
C/G Ray Donaldson
OT Jim Lachey

NT Fred Smerlas
DE Coy Bacon
LB Matt Blair
LB Andy Russell
CB/S Cornell Green
CB/RS Raymond Clayborn

K - David Akers
P - Pat McInally

HC Joe Gibbs

7. Clockwork -- The Sacrelegends

QB: Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham
RB: LaDanian Tomlinson, Reggie Bush
FB: Tom Rathman
WR: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald
WR: Art Monk, Ed McCaffrey
TE: Todd Heap, Steve Jordan
OT: Jackie Slater, Tony Jones
OG: Russ Grimm, Jesse Sapolu
C: Mike Webster, Keith Bishop
OG: Nate Newton
OT: Erik Williams

DE: Reggie White, Simon Fletcher
DT: Art Donovan, Bill Maas
DT: John Henderson
DE: Jack Youngblood, Charles Mann

LB: Harry Carson, Peter Boulware
LB: Zach Thomas
LB: Wilber Marshall, Jessie Armstead

CB: Charles Woodson, Samari Rolle
CB: Eric Allen, Nathan Vasher
FS: Darren Woodson, Mark Carrier
SS: Rodney Harrison

K: Jason Elam
P: Reggie Roby

Coach: Bill Walsh

Rshackleford -- The Fightin' Daves:

QB: Dan Marino, Troy Aikman
RB: J. Bettis, T. Thomas
FB: M. Strong, C. Heyward
WR: Sterling Sharpe, M. Irvin, H. Ellard
TE: K. Winslow, Brent Jones
OT: J. Ogden, T. Boselli
OG: B. Hamilton, B. Waters
C: J. Hilgenberg, J. Christy
DE: B. Smith, N. Smith, Claude Humphrey
DT: C. Kennedy, G. Warren
MLB: L. Tatupu, T. Bruschi
OLB: D. Thomas, P. Swilling, S. Joyner
FS: G. Fencik, D. Sharper
SS: Bob Sanders, L. Milloy
CB: C. Bailey, C. McAllister, D. Bly
KR/PR: D. Howard
K: N. Johnson
P: J. Feagles
Coach: M. Shanahan

9. Old Dude's OLD DUDES

QB: Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman
HB: Floyd Little, Whizzer White
FB: Jim Brown, Marion Motely
WR: Don Hutson, Don Maynard, Bobby Mitchell, Mac Speedie
TE: Fred Arbanas, Cal Hubbard
OT: Anthony Munoz, Roosevelt Brown, Lou Groza
OG: Gene Upshaw, Gene Hickerson, Walt Sweeney
C: Jon Morris, Mel Hein

DT: Bob Lilly, Ernie Ladd, Ernie Stautner, Link Lyman
DE: Gino Marchetti, Len Ford, Joe Stydahar
OLB: Chuck Howley, Chris Hanburger, Dave Robinson, Les Richter
MLB: Tommy Nobis, Lee Roy Jordan
FS: Cliff Harris, Red Grange
SS: Emlen Tunnell, Ernie Nevers
CB: Emmit Thomas, Erich Barnes, Jack Butler

PK: Lou Groza, Les Richter
P: Sammy Baugh, Whizzer White
Returns: Mitchell & Little

HC: Paul Brown

10. Killericon

Offense:

QB - Bart Starr, Micheal Vick
RB - Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis
FB - Mike Alstott
WR - Tim Brown, Andre Rison
WR - Lynn Swann, Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
WR - Joe Horn
TE - Dave Casper, Alge Crumpler
LT - Gary Zimmerman
LG - Will Shields
C - Tom Nalen, Jeff Hartings
RG - Mike Michalske, Ray Brown
RT - Rayfield Wright

4-3 Defense: Running Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
DT - William Perry, Casey Hampton
DT - Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
MLB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Ray Nischke, Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

3-4 Defense: Passing Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
NT - Casey Hampton, William Perry, Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
WILB - Ray Nischke
SILB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

Special Teams:

KOS - Neil Rackers
K - Neil Rackers
P - Bryan Barker
KR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
PR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail

Staff:

HC - John Madden

11. Ray Finkle's depth Chart:

QB: Brett Favre
RB:Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes
FB: Sam Gash, Daryl Johnston
WR: Tom Fears, Mike Quick
WR: Pete Pihos, Eric Metcalf
TE: Mark Bavaro, Randy McMichael
OT: Orlando Pace
OT: Mike McCormack, Paul Gruber
OG: Jim Parker
OG: Mark Schlereth, John Hicks
C: Dermontti Dawson, George Trafton
DT: Jerome Brown, Rod Coleman
DT: Sam Adams
DE: Eric Swann, Bryce Paup
DE: Andy Robustelli
OLB: Lawrence Taylor
MLB: Junior Seau
OLB: Ken Norton, Dan Morgan
CB: Mike Haynes, Troy Vincent
CB: Dale Carter
SS: Jack Christiansen, Chuck Cecil
FS: Merton Hanks, Pat Tillman

P: Ray Guy
K: Nick Lowery
HC: Parcells

12. Bronco LB 52

QB: Peyton Manning, Joe Namath, Bobby Layne
RB: Bo Jackson, Paul Hourning, LeRoy Kelly, Charley Trippi
FB: Maxie Baughn, LeRoy Kelly
WR: Jerry Rice, Tommy McDonald
WR: Charley Taylor, Otis Taylor
TE: Todd Christiansen, Billy Joe Dupree
LT: Larry Little, Rich Saul
LG: Ron Mix, Rich Saul
C: Bob Kuechenberg, Kent Hull
RG: Dan Fortmann, Rich Saul
RT: Frank "Bruiser" Kinard, Rich Saul

DE: Elvin Bethea
DT: Mean Joe Greene, Houston Antwine
DT: Larry Brooks, Fred Dean
DE: George Andrie, Ben Davidson
SOLB: Ted Hendricks, Maxie Baughn
MLB: Sam Huff, Maxie Baughn
WOLB: Robert Brazile, Bob Swenson
CB: Herb Adderly, Speedy Duncan
SS: Ed Reed, Carnell Lake
FS: Billy Thompson, Carnell Lake
CB: Albert Lewis, Charley Trippi

KR/PR: Charley Trippi, Tommy McDonald
K: Paul Hourning
P: Rohn Stark
HC: George “Papa Bear” Halas
Def Coord: Bill Arnsparger

13. Toad/Youcandoit
QB - Steve Young, Archie Manning
RB – Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson
FB/HB – John Riggins, William Henderson, Doak Walker
WR - John Stallworth, Anquan Boldin,Anthony Miller
WR - Hines Ward, Javon Walker, Keyshawn Johnson
TE - Tony Gonzalez, LeBron James
T - Art Shell
G - Billy Shaw
C - Clyde "Bulldog" Turner
G - Jimbo Covert
T - Ron Yary
DE - Julius Peppers
DT - Henry Jordan, Bob Baumhower
DT - Tony Siragusa
DE - Trevor Pryce, Willie McGinest
OLB - Dave Wilcox
MLB - Mike Singletary, Jeremiah Trotter
OLB - Jonathan Vilma, Chuck Drazenovich
CB - Ty Law, Darien Gordon
FS - Roy Williams, Mike Brown
SS - Ronnie Lott
CB - Dan Sandifer

P - Brian Moorman
K - Ryan Longwell
R – Darien Gordon
Coach - Vince Lombardi

14. Dipso's Maniacs
QB- Otto Graham, Terry Bradshaw
RB- Terrell Davis, Steve Van Buren, Herschel Walker
FB- Lorenzo Neal, Larry Centers
WR- Cris Carter, Chad Johnson
WR- Herman Moore, Terrance Mathis
TE- Jackie Smith, Russ Francis
T- Joe Jacoby, Bob Whitfield
G- Randall McDaniel, Conrad Dobler
C- Dwight Stephenson, Bart Oates
G- Guy McIntyre
T- Bruce Armstrong, Leo "The Lion" Nomellini

DE- Rich "Tombstone" Jackson, Michael Sinclair
DT- Roger Brown, Gilbert Brown
DT- Leo "The Lion" Nomellini,
DE- Mark Gastineau
OLB- Mike Curtis
MLB- Ray Lewis, Jesse Tuggle
OLB- Joe Fortunato Isiah Robertson
CB- Jimmy Johnson
CB- Roger Wehrli, DeAngelo Hall
SS- Ken Houston, Sean Taylor
FS- Kenny "Easley like Sunday Morning"

K- Mike Vanderjagt
P- Chris Gardocki

PR- DeAngelo Hall
KR- Herschel Walker

HC - Don Shula

15. Mr. Trout’s Team Depth Chart

OFFENSE
QB, Fran Tarkenton, Eli Manning, Tony Canadeo or Nolan Cromwell
RB Tony Dorsett, Steven Jackson, Tony Canadeo
FB, Larry Csonka, Jason Witten
WR, Andre Reed, Steve Smith (KR, PR)
WR, Irving Fryar, Roy Williams
TE, Antonio Gates, Jason Witten
T, Richmond Webb, Tarik Glenn
G, Mike Munchack, Mike Wahle
C, Mark Stepnoski, Randy Cross
G, Alan Faneca, Mike Wahle
T, John Runyan, Tarik Glenn

DEFENSE
DE, Deacon Jones, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
DT, Jamal Williams, Howie Long
DT, Kevin Williams, Chris Hovan
DE, Howie Long, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
OLB, Bobby Bell, Darryl Talley
MLB, Mike Peterson, James Farrior
OLB, Keith Bulluck, Darryl Talley
CB, Darrel Green, Rashean Mathis
CB, Louis Wright, Antoine Winfield
S, Jack Tatum, Nolan Cromwell
S, Troy Polamalu, Nolan Cromwell
K, Gary Anderson
P, Shane Lechler
Coach, Hank Stram

16. JCMElway -- Those Cheap Bastards:

QB: Dan Fouts, Bob Waterford
RB: Emmit Smith, Jim Thorpe, Hugh McElhenny
FB: John Henry Johnson, Cookie Gilchrist
WR: Crazy Legs Hirsch, Drew Pearson, Steve Tasker
WR: Charlie Joiner, Lionel Taylor
TE: Charlie Sanders, Ron Kramer
OT: Forrest Gregg, Mike Kenn, Ron Karamer
OG: George Musso, Bill Willis, Mike Kenn
C: Bob Langer, Chuck Badnarik, Mike Kenn
OG: Lou Creekmur, Bill Willis, Mike Kenn
OT: JimTyrer, Mike Kenn, Jerry Mays

DE: Willie Davis, Jerry Mays, George Webster
DT: Joe Klecko, Rubin Carter, Jerry Mays
DT: Curley Culp, Tom Sestak, Bill Willis
DE: Carl Eller, Bill Willis
SOLB: Chuck Bednarik, George Webster
MLB: Dick Butkus, John Offerdahl
WOLB: Tom Jackson, Bill Willis
CB: Dick Night Train Lane, Bob Waterford, Johnny Robinson
FS: Jim Thorpe, Johnny Robinson, Bill Willis
SS: Joey Browner, George Webster
CB: Everson Walls, Ken Riley
Nickel CB: Ken Riley
Dime CB: Johnny Robinson

K: Morten Anderson
P: Jim Thorpe
KR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McElhenny
PR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McEllhenny
ST: Steve Tasker
Third Down Back: Hugh McElhenny
Coach: Tom Landry

[youcandoit1687]

bump.....

so what is up for our competition tourney thing?

im bored outta my mind and having to resort to summer reading lol ahhh

[Rocket 7]

How is the tournament set up?

[JCMElway]

Dipso, your timing is impecable as always. I'm setting up the final depth charts now. Rules to follow before the night is out.

[Rocket 7]

Can't wait! This is gonna be so much fun.

[JCMElway]

1. Duke's Dream Team (DDT)

Head Coach: Marv Levy

WR: Steve Largent, Mark Clayton, John Taylor
TE: Mike Ditka, Jay Novacek
RT: George Kunz, Ralph Neely
RG: Larry Allen
C: Jim Otto
LG: Ruben Brown, Dennis Harrah
LT: Chris Hinton, Al Blozis
WR: James Lofton, Gary Clark
QB: John Elway, Jim Kelly
RB: Eric Dickerson, Roger Craig, Mel Gray
FB: Howard Griffith, Alan Ameche

RDE: Chris Doleman
RDT: Alan Page, La'Roi Glover
LDT: Dan Hampton
LDE: Leslie O'Neal
WLB: Greg Lloyd, Bill Bergey
MLB: Willie Lanier, Sam Mills
SLB: Ricky Jackson
CB: Lester Hayes
FS: Larry Wilson
SS: Donnie Shell, Tim McDonald
CB: Mel Renfro, Bobby Boyd

K: Garo Yepremian
P: Darren Bennett
KR: Mel Gray
PR: John Taylor

2. BMF Bronco

QB: Tom Brady, Lenny Dawson
RB: Walter Payton, Edgerrin James, Ahman Green
FB: Cory Schlessinger, Otis Anderson
WR: Rod Smith, Terrel Owens, Bryalon Edwards
WR: Dante Lavelli, Keenan McCardell
TE: Ozzie Newsome, Kyle Brady
OT: Dan Dierdorf
OG: Kevin Mawae, Dick Stanfel
C: Jeff Saturday
OG: Howard Mudd
OT: Kyle Turley

DE: Michael Strahan, Erasmus James
DT: Bryant Young, Levon Kirkland
DT: Keith Millard
DE: Lyle Alzado, Alfred Williams, Rulon Jones
OLB: Karl Mecklenburg, Mike Vrabel
MLB: Brian Urlacher, Hardy Nickerson
OLB: Bill Romanowski, Pepper Johnson
CB: Willie Brown
FS: Deron Cherry, Leroy Butler
SS: Adam Archuletta
CB:

P: Sean Landetta
K: Jan Stenerud

Coach: Bill Belichek

3. Phisig

qb- Donovan McNabb, Sonny Jurgenson
rb- Barry Sanders, Corey Dillon
fb- Rocky Blier
wr- Marvin Harrison, Jimmy Smith
wr- Isaac Bruce, Reggie Wayne
te- Jeremy Shockey, Wesley Walls
t- Willie Roaf, Chris Samuels
g- Steve Wisenewski, Kevin Gogan
c- Matt Birk
g- Steve Hutchinson, Nick Mangold
t- Bruce Matthews, D'Brickashaw Ferguson

de- Dwight Freeney
dt- Merlin Olsen
dt- John Randle, Richard Seymour
de- Terrel Suggs, Jason Taylor
olb- Joey Porter, Donnie Edwards
mlb- Jack Lambert, Chris Spielman
olb- Derrick Brooks
cb- Mel Blount, Patrick Surtain
fs- Steve Atwater, Brock Marion
ss- John Lynch
cb- Rod Woodson

k- Adam Vinateri
p- Todd Sauerbrun
kr- Dante Hall

hc- Bill Cowher

4. Eddie Mac --The Fighting Irish

QB Joe Montana, YA Tittle, George Blanda
RB Gale Sayers, Franco Harris, Ricky Watters
FB Bronko Nagurski
WR Lance Alworth, Fred Biletnikoff
WR Raymond Berry, Art Powell
TE Ben Coates, Riley Odoms
OT Walter Jones
OT Lomas Brown, George Connor
OG Tom Mack, Ed Budde
OG Bill Fralic, Ed Budde
OC Frank Gatski, Mick Tingelhoff

DE Lee Roy Selmon, Harvey Martin, Jevon Kearse
DE Richard Dent, Ray Childress
NT Arnie Weinmeister, MD Perry, Ray Childress,
OLB Kevin Greene, Keith Brooking
ILB Bill George, George Connor
ILB Nick Buoniconti, George Connor
OLB Cornelius Bennett, Keith Brooking
CB Deion Sanders, Butch Byrd
CB Frank Minniefield, Dave Grayson
S Willie Wood, Dwight Hicks
S Yale Lary, Dwight Hicks

K George Blanda
P Yale Lary
KR/PR Deion Sanders, Yale Lary

HC Chuck Noll

5. Big Guy -- THE OLD FARTS

QB - Roger Staubach, Bob Griese
RB - OJ Simpson, Jim Taylor, Joe Don Looney
FB - Joe Perry
WR - Paul Warfield, Boyd Dowler
WR - Harold Carmichael, Frank Gifford
TE - John Mackey, Bob Trumpy
T - Bob St Clair, Winston HIll
G -Joe Delamielleure, Max Montoya
C - Jim Ringo, Charlie Ane
G- Jerry Kramer
T - Stan Jones

DE - Bubba Smith, Fred Dryer
DT - Alex Karras, Jim Marshall
DT - Randy White, Dave Butz
DE - Ed Too Tall Jones
WOLB - Brad Van Pelt, Scott Studwell
MLB - Joe Schmidt, Steve Nelson
SOLB - Wayne Walker - Will also be PK, Clay Mathews
CB - Lem Barney
CB - Tom Brookshier, Abe Woodson (also KR)
SS - Dick LeBeau, Jake Scott
FS - Dick Anderson

PR - Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
P – Don Chandler

6. Slap -- The KnockYerDickintheDirts

QB Johnny Unitas
RB Earl Campbell
FB Keith Byars
WR Torry Holt
WR Lenny Moore
TE Shannon Sharpe
RT Russ Washington
RG Ed White
C Olin Kruetz
LG John Hannah
LT Bob Brown
LDE Doug Atkins
LDT Gene Lipscomb
RDT Buck Buchanan
RDE Charles Haley
SLB Jack Ham
MLB Randy Gradishar
WLB Andre Tippett
CB Aeneas Williams
FS Brian Dawkins
SS Dennis Smith
CB Lemar Parrish
Backups:
QB Neil Lomax
RB Curtis Martin
FB/ST Ron Wolfley
WR Bob Hayes
WR/RS Rick Upchurch
TE Keith Jackson
C/G Ray Donaldson
OT Jim Lachey

NT Fred Smerlas
DE Coy Bacon
LB Matt Blair
LB Andy Russell
CB/S Cornell Green
CB/RS Raymond Clayborn

K - David Akers
P - Pat McInally

HC Joe Gibbs

7. Clockwork -- The Sacrelegends

QB: Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham
RB: LaDanian Tomlinson, Reggie Bush
FB: Tom Rathman
WR: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald
WR: Art Monk, Ed McCaffrey
TE: Todd Heap, Steve Jordan
OT: Jackie Slater, Tony Jones
OG: Russ Grimm, Jesse Sapolu
C: Mike Webster, Keith Bishop
OG: Nate Newton
OT: Erik Williams

DE: Reggie White, Simon Fletcher
DT: Art Donovan, Bill Maas
DT: John Henderson
DE: Jack Youngblood, Charles Mann

LB: Harry Carson, Peter Boulware
LB: Zach Thomas
LB: Wilber Marshall, Jessie Armstead

CB: Charles Woodson, Samari Rolle
CB: Eric Allen, Nathan Vasher
FS: Darren Woodson, Mark Carrier
SS: Rodney Harrison

K: Jason Elam
P: Reggie Roby

Coach: Bill Walsh

8. Rshackleford -- The Fightin' Daves:

QB: Dan Marino, Troy Aikman
RB: J. Bettis, T. Thomas
FB: M. Strong, C. Heyward
WR: Sterling Sharpe, M. Irvin, H. Ellard
TE: K. Winslow, Brent Jones
OT: J. Ogden, T. Boselli
OG: B. Hamilton, B. Waters
C: J. Hilgenberg, J. Christy
DE: B. Smith, N. Smith, Claude Humphrey
DT: C. Kennedy, G. Warren
MLB: L. Tatupu, T. Bruschi
OLB: D. Thomas, P. Swilling, S. Joyner
FS: G. Fencik, D. Sharper
SS: Bob Sanders, L. Milloy
CB: C. Bailey, C. McAllister, D. Bly
KR/PR: D. Howard
K: N. Johnson
P: J. Feagles
Coach: M. Shanahan

9. Old Dude's OLD DUDES

QB: Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman
HB: Floyd Little, Whizzer White
FB: Jim Brown, Marion Motely
WR: Don Hutson, Don Maynard, Bobby Mitchell, Mac Speedie
TE: Fred Arbanas, Cal Hubbard
OT: Anthony Munoz, Roosevelt Brown, Lou Groza
OG: Gene Upshaw, Gene Hickerson, Walt Sweeney
C: Jon Morris, Mel Hein

DT: Bob Lilly, Ernie Ladd, Ernie Stautner, Link Lyman
DE: Gino Marchetti, Len Ford, Joe Stydahar
OLB: Chuck Howley, Chris Hanburger, Dave Robinson, Les Richter
MLB: Tommy Nobis, Lee Roy Jordan
FS: Cliff Harris, Red Grange
SS: Emlen Tunnell, Ernie Nevers
CB: Emmit Thomas, Erich Barnes, Jack Butler

PK: Lou Groza, Les Richter
P: Sammy Baugh, Whizzer White
Returns: Mitchell & Little

HC: Paul Brown

10. Killericon -- Anime Nation

Offense:

QB - Bart Starr, Micheal Vick
RB - Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis
FB - Mike Alstott
WR - Tim Brown, Andre Rison
WR - Lynn Swann, Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
WR - Joe Horn
TE - Dave Casper, Alge Crumpler
LT - Gary Zimmerman
LG - Will Shields
C - Tom Nalen, Jeff Hartings
RG - Mike Michalske, Ray Brown
RT - Rayfield Wright

4-3 Defense: Running Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
DT - William Perry, Casey Hampton
DT - Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
MLB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Ray Nischke, Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

3-4 Defense: Passing Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
NT - Casey Hampton, William Perry, Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
WILB - Ray Nischke
SILB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

Special Teams:

KOS - Neil Rackers
K - Neil Rackers
P - Bryan Barker
KR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
PR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail

Staff:

HC - John Madden

11. Ray Finkle's Aces

QB: Brett Favre
RB:Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes
FB: Sam Gash, Daryl Johnston
WR: Tom Fears, Mike Quick
WR: Pete Pihos, Eric Metcalf
TE: Mark Bavaro, Randy McMichael
OT: Orlando Pace
OT: Mike McCormack, Paul Gruber
OG: Jim Parker
OG: Mark Schlereth, John Hicks
C: Dermontti Dawson, George Trafton
DT: Jerome Brown, Rod Coleman
DT: Sam Adams
DE: Eric Swann, Bryce Paup
DE: Andy Robustelli
OLB: Lawrence Taylor
MLB: Junior Seau
OLB: Ken Norton, Dan Morgan
CB: Mike Haynes, Troy Vincent
CB: Dale Carter
SS: Jack Christiansen, Chuck Cecil
FS: Merton Hanks, Pat Tillman

P: Ray Guy
K: Nick Lowery
HC: Parcells

12. Bronco LB 52's B52s

QB: Peyton Manning, Joe Namath, Bobby Layne
RB: Bo Jackson, Paul Hourning, LeRoy Kelly, Charley Trippi
FB: Maxie Baughn, LeRoy Kelly
WR: Jerry Rice, Tommy McDonald
WR: Charley Taylor, Otis Taylor
TE: Todd Christiansen, Billy Joe Dupree
LT: Larry Little, Rich Saul
LG: Ron Mix, Rich Saul
C: Bob Kuechenberg, Kent Hull
RG: Dan Fortmann, Rich Saul
RT: Frank "Bruiser" Kinard, Rich Saul

DE: Elvin Bethea
DT: Mean Joe Greene, Houston Antwine
DT: Larry Brooks, Fred Dean
DE: George Andrie, Ben Davidson
SOLB: Ted Hendricks, Maxie Baughn
MLB: Sam Huff, Maxie Baughn
WOLB: Robert Brazile, Bob Swenson
CB: Herb Adderly, Speedy Duncan
SS: Ed Reed, Carnell Lake
FS: Billy Thompson, Carnell Lake
CB: Albert Lewis, Charley Trippi

KR/PR: Charley Trippi, Tommy McDonald
K: Paul Hourning
P: Rohn Stark
HC: George “Papa Bear” Halas
Def Coord: Bill Arnsparger

13. The Youcandoit Toads

QB - Steve Young, Archie Manning
RB – Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson
FB/HB – John Riggins, William Henderson, Doak Walker
WR - John Stallworth, Anquan Boldin,Anthony Miller
WR - Hines Ward, Javon Walker, Keyshawn Johnson
TE - Tony Gonzalez, LeBron James
T - Art Shell
G - Billy Shaw
C - Clyde "Bulldog" Turner
G - Jimbo Covert
T - Ron Yary
DE - Julius Peppers
DT - Henry Jordan, Bob Baumhower
DT - Tony Siragusa
DE - Trevor Pryce, Willie McGinest
OLB - Dave Wilcox
MLB - Mike Singletary, Jeremiah Trotter
OLB - Jonathan Vilma, Chuck Drazenovich
CB - Ty Law, Darien Gordon
FS - Roy Williams, Mike Brown
SS - Ronnie Lott
CB - Dan Sandifer

P - Brian Moorman
K - Ryan Longwell
R – Darien Gordon
Coach - Vince Lombardi

14. Dipso's Chef and Fade Free

QB- Otto Graham, Terry Bradshaw
RB- Terrell Davis, Steve Van Buren, Herschel Walker
FB- Lorenzo Neal, Larry Centers
WR- Cris Carter, Chad Johnson
WR- Herman Moore, Terrance Mathis
TE- Jackie Smith, Russ Francis
T- Joe Jacoby, Bob Whitfield
G- Randall McDaniel, Conrad Dobler
C- Dwight Stephenson, Bart Oates
G- Guy McIntyre
T- Bruce Armstrong, Leo "The Lion" Nomellini

DE- Rich "Tombstone" Jackson, Michael Sinclair
DT- Roger Brown, Gilbert Brown
DT- Leo "The Lion" Nomellini,
DE- Mark Gastineau
OLB- Mike Curtis
MLB- Ray Lewis, Jesse Tuggle
OLB- Joe Fortunato Isiah Robertson
CB- Jimmy Johnson
CB- Roger Wehrli, DeAngelo Hall
SS- Ken Houston, Sean Taylor
FS- Kenny "Easley like Sunday Morning"

K- Mike Vanderjagt
P- Chris Gardocki

PR- DeAngelo Hall
KR- Herschel Walker

HC - Don Shula

15. Mr. Trout

OFFENSE
QB, Fran Tarkenton, Eli Manning, Tony Canadeo or Nolan Cromwell
RB Tony Dorsett, Steven Jackson, Tony Canadeo
FB, Larry Csonka, Jason Witten
WR, Andre Reed, Steve Smith (KR, PR)
WR, Irving Fryar, Roy Williams
TE, Antonio Gates, Jason Witten
T, Richmond Webb, Tarik Glenn
G, Mike Munchack, Mike Wahle
C, Mark Stepnoski, Randy Cross
G, Alan Faneca, Mike Wahle
T, John Runyan, Tarik Glenn

DEFENSE
DE, Deacon Jones, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
DT, Jamal Williams, Howie Long
DT, Kevin Williams, Chris Hovan
DE, Howie Long, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
OLB, Bobby Bell, Darryl Talley
MLB, Mike Peterson, James Farrior
OLB, Keith Bulluck, Darryl Talley
CB, Darrel Green, Rashean Mathis
CB, Louis Wright, Antoine Winfield
S, Jack Tatum, Nolan Cromwell
S, Troy Polamalu, Nolan Cromwell
K, Gary Anderson
P, Shane Lechler
Coach, Hank Stram

16. JCMElway -- Those Cheap Bastards:

QB: Dan Fouts, Bob Waterford
RB: Emmit Smith, Jim Thorpe, Hugh McElhenny
FB: John Henry Johnson, Cookie Gilchrist
WR: Crazy Legs Hirsch, Drew Pearson, Steve Tasker
WR: Charlie Joiner, Lionel Taylor
TE: Charlie Sanders, Ron Kramer
OT: Forrest Gregg, Mike Kenn, Ron Kramer
OG: George Musso, Bill Willis, Mike Kenn
C: Bob Langer, Chuck Badnarik, Mike Kenn
OG: Lou Creekmur, Bill Willis, Mike Kenn
OT: JimTyrer, Mike Kenn, Jerry Mays

DE: Willie Davis, Jerry Mays, George Webster
DT: Joe Klecko, Rubin Carter, Jerry Mays
DT: Curley Culp, Tom Sestak, Bill Willis
DE: Carl Eller, Bill Willis
SOLB: Chuck Bednarik, George Webster
MLB: Dick Butkus, John Offerdahl
WOLB: Tom Jackson, Bill Willis
CB: Dick Night Train Lane, Bob Waterford, Johnny Robinson
FS: Jim Thorpe, Johnny Robinson, Bill Willis
SS: Joey Browner, George Webster
CB: Everson Walls, Ken Riley
Nickel CB: Ken Riley
Dime CB: Johnny Robinson

K: Morten Anderson
P: Jim Thorpe
KR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McElhenny
PR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McEllhenny
ST: Steve Tasker
Third Down Back: Hugh McElhenny
Coach: Tom Landry

[JCMElway]

OK, here's how the tournament works.

#1 -- Our own personal analysis. Everyone will rate every other team (except their own) on a scale of 1 to 15, 0ne being the WORST and fifteen the BEST. (Doing it this way will make tallying the points easier.) After all the votes are in the points will be tallied by Old Dude or myself. A #15 vote gets a team 15 points, a #14 vote gets a team 14 points, etc.

I would like for everyone to have their rankings in by July 20th at the latest. I think that's ample time for everyone to deal with busy schedules and get off of Summer vacation.

I considered having all the votes PMed to OD and myself, but I think we're all adult enough to have an open ranking of the teams on the board. Please, no collusion to get a team to the top. Let's have somebody win fair and square. If you're really bashful (on this board? Yeah, right) You can feel free to PM your rankings to Old Dude and myself.

The second part of this evaluation is to open up the teams to the Orange Maners. I'm going to start a thread and ask all of them to evaluate the teams the same way we're doing here. (15-1) I may even include a poll.

On that thread please have a write-up for your team to tell everyone how great they are.

OK, this is it! Let's get those rankings up there!!!!

(By the by, my PC is going into the shop over the weekend, so I will be dissapearing for a while.)

JCM

[youcandoit1687]

and lets all try to be mature about it. not everyone can be #1 and not everybody is familiar with all the players. i will try to do my research on the older guys but cant do all of em.

can we be specific on how to decide "the best team" because realistically, the bigger guys from the newer generation would mow through the little guys of the 20s? so are we voting on who would win on the field or who had the best players of their respective times?

[JCMElway]

I'm basing it on production, with the thought that all of these players could have the same benefits if they came out at the same time. Killericon drafted Milchaske at G. He couldn't play there now, but the way I'm looking at it he was born in the modern era and would have all of the benefits coming up in this era.

So, with that thought, Milchaske could compete with Warren Sapps and Gilbert Browns.

But this is all obviously up to interpretation. Everyone will get to rank the teams and we'll see how it pans out.

[JCMElway]

And I don't see it as a question of maturity. My squad has 20 Hall of Famers and 7 AFL Hall of Famers. And several of my other guys are getting Hall consideration.

I can back up all my guys with stats, HOF membership, and testimonials I found online.

Can your team measure up? ;)

[youcandoit1687]

lol, ull have to wait for some of my players to measure up


but dont worry, they will pas your guys' statistics...well, except for lebron. use your imagination there

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

THE OLD FARTS

The Old Farts were selected with two caveats – no current players and no Broncos, just to assure some objectivity.

Team Strengths:

DL – No better pass rush could be assembled. They are also great against the run
OL – Great technicians who can also be maulers when necessary.
QB – The most intelligent and mistake free duo ever
RB – If you are old enough to have seen OJ and Taylor, you know this is the perfect combination of speed and power. Looney is a gamble on greatness.
WR – The most acrobatic receiver in history with Warfield and te unstoppable big guy in Carmichael. Versatile Gifford and homer pick Dowler make it a formidable group.
TE - Mackey defined the position and Trumpy was damn good despite being annoying as a commentator.
LB – Speed, brains and durability
DB – Barney is a contender for the best ever. Most won’t remember Woodson, but he was incredible in his day. The Safety tandem of Anderson and Scott was one of the most productive of all time with LeBeau, the position is more than solid.
ST – Best PR and KR in history. Best punter of the 60’s and a very solid K who went to the pro bowl as a kicker and LB.

QB - Roger Staubach, Bob Griese
RB - OJ Simpson, Jim Taylor, Joe Don Looney
FB - Joe Perry
WR - Paul Warfield, Boyd Dowler
WR - Harold Carmichael, Frank Gifford,
TE - John Mackey, Bob Trumpy
T - Bob St Clair, Winston HIll
G -Joe Delamielleure, Max Montoya
C - Jim Ringo, Charlie Ane
G- Jerry Kramer
T - Stan Jones,

DE - Bubba Smith, Fred Dryer
DT - Alex Karras, Jim Marshall
DT - Randy White, Dave Butz
DE - Ed Too Tall Jones,
WOLB - Brad Van Pelt, Scott Studwell,
MLB - Joe Schmidt, Steve Nelson
SOLB - Wayne Walker - Will also be PK, Clay Mathews
CB - Lem Barney
CB - Tom Brookshier, Abe Woodson (also KR)
SS - Dick LeBeau (Player Head Coach), Jake Scott
FS - Dick Anderson

PR - Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
P – Don Chandler

[Killericon]

Offense:

QB - Bart Starr, Micheal Vick
RB - Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis
FB - Mike Alstott
WR - Tim Brown, Andre Rison
WR - Lynn Swann, Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
WR - Joe Horn
TE - Dave Casper, Alge Crumpler
LT - Gary Zimmerman
LG - Will Shields
C - Tom Nalen, Jeff Hartings
RG - Mike Michalske, Ray Brown
RT - Rayfield Wright

4-3 Defense: Running Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
DT - William Perry, Casey Hampton
DT - Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
MLB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Ray Nischke, Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

3-4 Defense: Passing Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
NT - Casey Hampton, William Perry, Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
WILB - Ray Nischke
SILB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

Special Teams:

KOS - Neil Rackers
K - Neil Rackers
P - Bryan Barker
KR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
PR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail

Staff:

HC - John Madden

DL - Weak against the run, sure. Quarterbacks will be having nightmares the night before, though. Sapp and Rice are HOFers for sure, LC Greenwood was considered last time, and Perry, well, he's the fridge.

OL - Zimmerman and Wright bookend a beauty of a line, tough through and through. Wright is a HOfer, Zimmerman should be, and Nalen is, in my opinion, a shoe-in. Michalske lacks size, but he was the premier guard through the 30's and 20's...and if he's gets overpowered, Rasy Brown, the steadiest guard in history, will be right there. Shields may be a Chief, but he's a great one...again, a sure-fire HOFer.

QB - Bart Starr? You really need me to write a fluff piece on Bart Starr??? He's backed up by Micheal Vick...who I believe, with limited attempts, can turn any game around. He's electric.

RB - All new backs...just the way I wanted. Alstott and Faulk are a combination anyone would have sold all four of their limbs for in 2000. One is smashing, over the top 3rd and inches type, the other is the quickest(Outside of Sanders), best pass-catching RB in the past 50 years...maybe more. I keep Tiki and Portis around in case I need to go with a more orthodox style.

WR - I can honestly say that I have one of the best WR core out of us all. I'm sorry. It's annoying to say, but dammit it's true! Let's break it down:
Tim Brown - 2nd on the all-time receiving list. Nuff' Said.
Lynn Swann - A HOFer. 70's all-decade team. Super Bowl Silver Anniversary Team. God-like in the big game. He's my number 2 receiver.
Joe Horn - A huge drop off, but a big threat for a slot receiver.

TE - Weak. I traded away John Mackey. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. Alge Crumpler backs up Dave Casper...He's good, but he's not even worthy of being mentioned in the same breathe as Mackey. Goddmanit.

LB - Best. Corps. Ever. Jim Lynch - The coverage guy from the Chief's famed trio...Al Wilson - Do it all. Cover? Hell yea. Hit? Ask Deion Branche. Ray Nischke - Ummm.....He's Ray Nischke. Come on.

DB - Behind my TE corps, it's the weakest part of the team. I've got a bunch of guys who can hit and cover...but do neither well enough for this league. Oh! Except Paul Krause. He's my best pick, in my opinion. All-time leader in interceptions...top-notch Character guy...on the field leader.

ST - Blah. Ismail never panned out in the big leagues...but they did'nt use him EXCLUSIVELY as a returner. If he sucks, Swann did a mean return as well. Rackers and Barker...in this league....suck.

Overall Mentality - A spread offense...that runs more than passes. I want the names on the backs of my WRs jerseys to fool the opposing HC to leaving a nickel guy out more often than needed; as they should. I plan on playing cat and mouse with opposing defensive coordinators...since it's a rather balanced attack. Either the run or the pass can get the job done..I want the defensive Coordinators to think I favour one. Faulk can tear it up. My Defense will be fluid. Safeties will play corner...Corners will play Safety. The transition from 3-4 to 4-3 will happen often. Really often. I will need a little bit more studying time from my LBs...but I think we can pull it off. It'll keep the other side guessing, that's for damn sure. They don't even know if it's a 3-4 or a 4-3 the next play, never mind what we're going to do with it. Oh, and expect corner blitzes. A lot of it.

Fair assessment, no? Please rip into it.

[JCMElway]

My ranking of the teams (1 is worst, 15 best):

15 -- Slap
14 -- Old Dude
13 -- Eddie Mac
12 -- Big Guy
11 -- Bronco LB 52
10 -- Phisg
9 -- Arkie
8 -- Ray Finkle
7 -- Dipso
6 -- Clockwork Orange
5 -- Killericon
4 -- Youcandoit/Toad
3 -- Rshackleford
2 -- Mr. Trout
1 -- BMF Bronco

Here's some thoughts I had while disecting the teams.

Arkie – Strong O, Weak D, not enough defensive players. D-line will get worn out. John immediately puts this team in the top 10. DEs are average in this league. Hinton may be subpar in protecting Elway’s blindside. No backup linebackers. B-

BMF – Strong DTs, DEs are pedestrian after Strahan, Romo and Alzado will not be as effective without steroids (not allowed in this league, baby!), Rod Smith starts ahead of TO? That’ll be great for team chemistry. Who plays at the other CB? Deron Cherry? Very thin at DB, the combo of Brady and Payton is great, Turley at LT? That’s just asking for trouble on Brady’s blind side. Who’s returning punts and kicks? D+

Phisig – Nice skill positions, is McNabb one of the 16 greatest QBs of all time? A bunch of maulers on the Oline, should be able to open creases fir Barry, Dillon will be valuable at the goal line, Very nice DTs, the DEs are just all right for me, starting Suggs over Taylor? I disagree there. Not a lot of “hands” guys at DB, but they’ll knock the crap out of you, nice set of LBs, can Sauerbrun stay out of trouble? Cowher will get them to play with heart and ferocity. TE is below average for this league. B

Eddie Mac – Really solid team. Montana to those WRs is gonna be great. Sayers will be perfect for the west coast offense, I’d start Odoms ahead of Coates, nice OTs, Very nice DEs. Wow what a rotation! Not thrilled with the NTs, a very “hands” oriented defensive backfield. Who brings the thunder? Noll is the wrong coach for the offensive personnel! B+. (I’d say A- with a good coach who installs the west coast offense.)

Big Guy – Very nice QB, RB, FB, Looney is a wasted pick but we talked about that, a little thin at WR, great TE, solid O-line, strong, deep group of DTs, good DEs, average group of LBs, good DBs. No head coach, that takes the grade down! I guess Staubach can pilot the ship.... B

Slap – Very well rounded. Strong running game and a no-nonsense passing attack. A third down back would have been nice to see. Maybe bob hayes cold be that guy. Only 6 DLineman, they may get worn out towards the end of a game, I only count 39 players on Slap’s roster, who am I missing? Ah that list is missing Joe Wahington (3rd down back) and Jeff Siemon MLB. CBs are the weakest part of the team, All the criticisms here are just nitpicking. A-

Clockwork – Bush is unproven, Moss is a head case-locker room cancer type, Good skill set otherwise, Very nice OL (Erik Williams being only weak spot), TE is OK to under average, Wow - great DEs, DTs are OK, starting OLBs are good, backup OLBs are weak, Zach Thomas plays passing downs as well? Woodson is NOT one of the all time greats –he’ll get toasted in this league. The rest of the DBs are OK. B-

RShackleford – QB, RB, and FB are very nice combo, only 3 WR? Who does Marino throw to in 4 or 5 WR sets? Winslow and....?, good TEs, Hamilton is not an all time great, does Christy back up every Oline position? A couple of players missing from his roster. DT Ted Washington. D is stronger than the O, great DEs and good DTs, Tatupu has been good one year, Shack’s team is two players short. His team being undermanned will affect his grade. It could go up if he adds two more players. C+

Old Dude – A keen eye for talent, but hurt himself unnecessarily with a salary cap. Great skill positions, WR could use some depth, Good Oline, C is the weakest point there, TE is solid, could have used some bigger Dlineman to go against “modern” players, Solid, athletic LBs, Red Grange only plays as your 3rd Safety? He’s got to be used more than that. Groza would never score as much or be as accurate as soccer style kickers, fantastic, smart head coach who will get the most out of the team. A-

Killericon – You definetly have a RBBC, Portis gets the hard yards, Tiki is the big play guy, Marshall is the pass receiver. Are there enough balls to go around for all of them? Does Starr throw the deep ball well? Becasuse that’s what your WR do best. Good wideouts but I wish you had a possession receiver, Good starting TE, should have followed that up with a blocking TE, very nice Oline, L.C. was a STEAL, weak at DT, DEs are OK, I’m sorry, Nitschke is your starting MLB. Period. Al comes in to run the
3-4. DJ is not one of the all time greats, nor Merriman. Adrian Wilson? Please. Gonsoulin is a FS - not a SS. Madden is OK. B-

Ray Finkle – Favre is too erratic for my tastes, Very nice WR, RB, and FB. Backup WRs are weak. Good front line, Pace may be overrated, Only 6 DLineman and they could get worn down in the 4th, good LBs, Christiansen is a FS not a SS, Merton Hanks stinks, Cecil or Tilman should be starting at SS. B-

Bronco LB 52 – 3 QBs? Overkill on a 40 man roster, I might take either QB over Peyton, very nice RBs, No FB, four great WRs, TEs are OK, solid Oline, I can’t argue with any Dline pick, love the LBs, Ed Reed may not be an all time great – fell off a bit last year and needs 5 or 6 more all pro years, D backs are solid otherwise, has a defensive head coach AND a d-coordinator. Should have taken an O-coordinator like Coryell to get the O going. Halas always had killer Defenses. Very solid squad. B

Youcandoit/Toad – Alexander and LJ are not all time greats YET, Riggins and Walker are great picks, Boldin, Stallworth, and Ward are good WR, Walker, Miller and Keyshawn are wasted picks, Tony G is a solid pick, LeBron is a joke in this arena (but we’ve already discussed this), very good starting Oline, no backups on the OLine – Youcan is screwed with an injury, Pryce is not an all time great, Siragusa is OK, the rest of the Dline is good, Wilcox and Singletary are amazing, Vilma shouldn’t be there, good DBs, Lombardi will get the most out of them. C+

Dipso – Good Skill positions, Terrel has doesn’t bounce back well from injuries, 3 good WR, Mathis doesn’t measure up, Chad Johnson is a head case, very nice TEs, Love the Oline, Only 6 Dlineman, Very Good Dlinemen tho’, Good LBs and nice DBs, idiot K who chokes in big games, Deangelo Hall is not an all time great, great HC. B-

Mr. Trout – Very good RB, QB, and FB, WRs are subpar – Smith is probably the best one, Gates is a reach at this point, great Oline, great starting DEs, DTs are weak but K Will has potential, Bobby Bell is great, Bulluck is a huge reach and not an all time great, Talley should be starting, same goes for Peterson, wonderful DBs, who’s doing the kick and punt returning? Good P and K, HC is OK. C

If Eddie Mac had Walsh or Shanny as his head coach I think I'd put his team #1. But honestly, there's not much seperating the top teams from the bottom with these caliber players.

[JCMElway]

One of the drafters rated the teams and perferred to stay anonymous. When the scores were averaged the teams are ranked this way:

Old Dude -- 14.5
Slap -- 14.5
Big Guy -- 12.5
Eddie Mac -- 12.5
JCM -- 11
Bronco LB 52 -- 10.5
Arkie -- 10.5
Phisg -- 9
Ray Finkle -- 8
Clockwork Orange -- 6.5
Dipso -- 6.5
Youcandoit/Toad -- 4
Killericon -- 3.5
Mr. Trout -- 3.5
Rshackleford -- 3
BMF Bronco - 1

[JCMElway]

Bump

OK, here's how the tournament works.

#1 -- Our own personal analysis. Everyone will rate every other team (except their own) on a scale of 1 to 15, 0ne being the WORST and fifteen the BEST. (Doing it this way will make tallying the points easier.) After all the votes are in the points will be tallied by Old Dude or myself. A #15 vote gets a team 15 points, a #14 vote gets a team 14 points, etc.

edit -- I'm going to average the points. If not everyone votes totalling the points would not yeild a fair result.

I would like for everyone to have their rankings in by July 20th at the latest. I think that's ample time for everyone to deal with busy schedules and get off of Summer vacation.

I considered having all the votes PMed to OD and myself, but I think we're all adult enough to have an open ranking of the teams on the board. Please, no collusion to get a team to the top. Let's have somebody win fair and square. If you're really bashful (on this board? Yeah, right) You can feel free to PM your rankings to Old Dude and myself.

The second part of this evaluation is to open up the teams to the Orange Maners. I'm going to start a thread and ask all of them to evaluate the teams the same way we're doing here. (15-1) I may even include a poll.

On that thread please have a write-up for your team to tell everyone how great they are.

OK, this is it! Let's get those rankings up there!!!!

JCM

[youcandoit1687]

wow nobody has done the scoring yet besides JCM.

i was planning on doing it but the mane crashed(really, no joke). ill have mine up by tm night, hope that is ok since nobody else has done theirs yet.

[Rshackleford]

Yeah, I am definetly behind since the site crashed as well. I will try to get moving now!

[JCMElway]

Hey all. There are 2 out 16 owners that have rated the teams. I am averaging insterad of adding the totals up in case not everyone does the ratings. Thanks for keeping the interest up!

Remember, don't include your own team in the rankings!

[JCMElway]

Rating system rules!

OK, here's how the tournament works.

#1 -- Our own personal analysis. Everyone will rate every other team (except their own) on a scale of 1 to 15, 0ne being the WORST and fifteen the BEST. (Doing it this way will make tallying the points easier.) After all the votes are in the points will be tallied by Old Dude or myself. A #15 vote gets a team 15 points, a #14 vote gets a team 14 points, etc.

edit -- I'm going to average the points. If not everyone votes totalling the points would not yeild a fair result.

I would like for everyone to have their rankings in by August 4th. I think that's ample time for everyone to deal with busy schedules and get off of Summer vacation.

I considered having all the votes PMed to OD and myself, but I think we're all adult enough to have an open ranking of the teams on the board. Please, no collusion to get a team to the top. Let's have somebody win fair and square. If you're really bashful (on this board? Yeah, right) You can feel free to PM your rankings to Old Dude and myself.

The second part of this evaluation is to open up the teams to the Orange Maners. I'm going to start a thread and ask all of them to evaluate the teams the same way we're doing here. (15-1) I may even include a poll.

On that thread please have a write-up for your team to tell everyone how great they are.

OK, this is it! Let's get those rankings up there!!!!

JCM

[-Slap-]

Okay, I've scrutinized every roster and tried my best to put these super teams into some semblance of order. I rated each team on offense and defense and assigned point totals to each one. A perfect score on offense or defense would equal 50 points. A perfect score on both would result in a score of 100 points. I assigned bonus points for special teams or head coach when applicable. Theoretically, a team could score over 100 points under this system. Undoubtedly, most of these teams would receive that kind of rating if compared against ordinary teams, but grading was done on a curve to provide more contrast in scoring.

In order from first (15 points) to last (1 point). Each team's final score is included.

15 OldDude - 91
14 ClockworkOrange - 88
13 Phisig - 87.5
12 JCMElway - 87
11 EddieMac - 85
10 Dipso - 83.5
9 BigGuy - 83
8 Arkie - 82
7 RayFinkle - 80.5
6 BroncoLB52 - 80
5 MrTrout - 75
4 KillerIcon - 73
3 Toad - 70
2 RShackleford - 67
1 BMF - 65

I marked some teams down for easily correctable reasons. Bad bench composition was a common theme for the lower ranked teams. Of course, many of these teams were drafted by more than one person, so these kind of planning errors are to be expected.

The other thing that caused teams to be marked down were too many young players. Basically, anybody with fewer than five full seasons in the pros was devalued in my rankings, progressively per level of experience. Rookies might as well be open roster spots and even first and second year men are ranked lower.

Its simply not fair to project health and All Pro production for multiple seasons when so many great players over the years have started strong and then seen their careers derail for one reason or another. I understand this put some of the younger posters at a disadvantage, and I sympathize with wanting to draft players you've actually seen, but I have to establish some level of criteria in my own evaluations.

[Clockwork Orange]

Allright, I'll take a whack at this. Based solely upon my humble opinion. :)

15. Eddie Mac
14. Slap
13. JCMElway
12. Old Dude
11. Phisig
10. Duke
9. Big Guy
8. BroncoLB52
7. Dipso
6. Mr. Trout
5. Ray Finkle
4. RShackleford
3. Killericon
2. Toad
1. BMF

[-Slap-]

1. Duke's Dream Team (DDT)

Head Coach: Marv Levy

WR: Steve Largent, Mark Clayton, John Taylor
TE: Mike Ditka, Jay Novacek
RT: George Kunz, Ralph Neely
RG: Larry Allen
C: Jim Otto
LG: Ruben Brown, Dennis Harrah
LT: Chris Hinton, Al Blozis
WR: James Lofton, Gary Clark
QB: John Elway, Jim Kelly
RB: Eric Dickerson, Roger Craig, Mel Gray
FB: Howard Griffith, Alan Ameche

RDE: Chris Doleman
RDT: Alan Page, La'Roi Glover
LDT: Dan Hampton
LDE: Leslie O'Neal
WLB: Greg Lloyd, Bill Bergey
MLB: Willie Lanier, Sam Mills
SLB: Ricky Jackson
CB: Lester Hayes
FS: Larry Wilson
SS: Donnie Shell, Tim McDonald
CB: Mel Renfro, Bobby Boyd

K: Garo Yepremian
P: Darren Bennett
KR: Mel Gray
PR: John Taylor

Extremely strong at the skill positions on offense. OL solid, but stronger on the interior than at tackle.

These guys are going to kill quarterbacks routinely with one of the best pass rushes assembled. I question their toughness against the run, though and the lack of depth up front is a weakness.



2. BMF Bronco

QB: Tom Brady, Lenny Dawson
RB: Walter Payton, Edgerrin James, Ahman Green
FB: Cory Schlessinger, Otis Anderson
WR: Rod Smith, Terrel Owens, Bryalon Edwards
WR: Dante Lavelli, Keenan McCardell
TE: Ozzie Newsome, Kyle Brady
OT: Dan Dierdorf
OG: Kevin Mawae, Dick Stanfel
C: Jeff Saturday
OG: Howard Mudd
OT: Kyle Turley

DE: Michael Strahan, Erasmus James
DT: Bryant Young, Levon Kirkland
DT: Keith Millard
DE: Lyle Alzado, Alfred Williams, Rulon Jones
OLB: Karl Mecklenburg, Mike Vrabel
MLB: Brian Urlacher, Hardy Nickerson
OLB: Bill Romanowski, Pepper Johnson
CB: Willie Brown
FS: Deron Cherry, Leroy Butler
SS: Adam Archuletta
CB:

P: Sean Landetta
K: Jan Stenerud

Coach: Bill Belichek

Payton and Brady form a strong nucleus in the backfield, but the OL is below average for this league and an overall lack of depth hurts this team a lot.

The defense had the potential to be excellent, with lots of talent in the front seven, but only five DBs leave this team unable to compete.


3. Phisig

qb- Donovan McNabb, Sonny Jurgenson
rb- Barry Sanders, Corey Dillon
fb- Rocky Blier
wr- Marvin Harrison, Jimmy Smith
wr- Isaac Bruce, Reggie Wayne
te- Jeremy Shockey, Wesley Walls
t- Willie Roaf, Chris Samuels
g- Steve Wisenewski, Kevin Gogan
c- Matt Birk
g- Steve Hutchinson, Nick Mangold
t- Bruce Matthews, D'Brickashaw Ferguson

de- Dwight Freeney
dt- Merlin Olsen
dt- John Randle, Richard Seymour
de- Terrel Suggs, Jason Taylor
olb- Joey Porter, Donnie Edwards
mlb- Jack Lambert, Chris Spielman
olb- Derrick Brooks
cb- Mel Blount, Patrick Surtain
fs- Steve Atwater, Brock Marion
ss- John Lynch
cb- Rod Woodson

k- Adam Vinateri
p- Todd Sauerbrun
kr- Dante Hall

hc- Bill Cowher

I really like this team. The RBs lack depth, but its hard to find much fault with anything else on offense. The starting O line is very mobile and aggressive.

Probably my favorite defense. Hopefully Cowher can bring Bud Carson back to install what should be the most lethal Cover 2 anybody has ever seen.

4. Eddie Mac --The Fighting Irish

QB Joe Montana, YA Tittle, George Blanda
RB Gale Sayers, Franco Harris, Ricky Watters
FB Bronko Nagurski
WR Lance Alworth, Fred Biletnikoff
WR Raymond Berry, Art Powell
TE Ben Coates, Riley Odoms
OT Walter Jones
OT Lomas Brown, George Connor
OG Tom Mack, Ed Budde
OG Bill Fralic, Ed Budde
OC Frank Gatski, Mick Tingelhoff

DE Lee Roy Selmon, Harvey Martin, Jevon Kearse
DE Richard Dent, Ray Childress
NT Arnie Weinmeister, MD Perry, Ray Childress,
OLB Kevin Greene, Keith Brooking
ILB Bill George, George Connor
ILB Nick Buoniconti, George Connor
OLB Cornelius Bennett, Keith Brooking
CB Deion Sanders, Butch Byrd
CB Frank Minniefield, Dave Grayson
S Willie Wood, Dwight Hicks
S Yale Lary, Dwight Hicks

K George Blanda
P Yale Lary
KR/PR Deion Sanders, Yale Lary

HC Chuck Noll

Perfect personnel for the WCO. As solid top to bottom on offense as anybody.

Lots of talent on defense, but I'm not sure all the pieces fit that well. Eight D linemen is too many for a 3-4 base. The linebackers are solid, but could have been much better. Deion provides a boost in the secondary and on special teams. Minnifield might as well don a flak jacket for all the footballs that will be flying his way.

5. Big Guy -- THE OLD FARTS

QB - Roger Staubach, Bob Griese
RB - OJ Simpson, Jim Taylor, Joe Don Looney
FB - Joe Perry
WR - Paul Warfield, Boyd Dowler
WR - Harold Carmichael, Frank Gifford
TE - John Mackey, Bob Trumpy
T - Bob St Clair, Winston HIll
G -Joe Delamielleure, Max Montoya
C - Jim Ringo, Charlie Ane
G- Jerry Kramer
T - Stan Jones

DE - Bubba Smith, Fred Dryer
DT - Alex Karras, Jim Marshall
DT - Randy White, Dave Butz
DE - Ed Too Tall Jones
WOLB - Brad Van Pelt, Scott Studwell
MLB - Joe Schmidt, Steve Nelson
SOLB - Wayne Walker - Will also be PK, Clay Mathews
CB - Lem Barney
CB - Tom Brookshier, Abe Woodson (also KR)
SS - Dick LeBeau, Jake Scott
FS - Dick Anderson

PR - Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
P – Don Chandler

A no nonsense, physical approach on offense. If there's any weakness, it might be that OJ is the only legitimate breakway threat.

A strong and versatile front four sets the tone on defense, backed by a cerebral and underrated group of LBs.

Fine special teams corps hamstrung by lack of kicker. No head coach.

7. Clockwork -- The Sacrelegends

QB: Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham
RB: LaDanian Tomlinson, Reggie Bush
FB: Tom Rathman
WR: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald
WR: Art Monk, Ed McCaffrey
TE: Todd Heap, Steve Jordan
OT: Jackie Slater, Tony Jones
OG: Russ Grimm, Jesse Sapolu
C: Mike Webster, Keith Bishop
OG: Nate Newton
OT: Erik Williams

DE: Reggie White, Simon Fletcher
DT: Art Donovan, Bill Maas
DT: John Henderson
DE: Jack Youngblood, Charles Mann

LB: Harry Carson, Peter Boulware
LB: Zach Thomas
LB: Wilber Marshall, Jessie Armstead

CB: Charles Woodson, Samari Rolle
CB: Eric Allen, Nathan Vasher
FS: Darren Woodson, Mark Carrier
SS: Rodney Harrison

K: Jason Elam
P: Reggie Roby

Coach: Bill Walsh

Nobody can match this team for depth and quality on both sides of the LOS. They will simply pound most of their opponents into submission in the trenches.

Walsh should elevate Moon's game to a whole new level. LT and Rathman are great starting duo, but there is precious little depth at RB. The strength on offense is a very physical and nasty O line.

This is also the main strength on defense. I think the personnel on this squad would be equally effective in a 4-3 or 3-4 base.


8. Rshackleford -- The Fightin' Daves:

QB: Dan Marino, Troy Aikman
RB: J. Bettis, T. Thomas
FB: M. Strong, C. Heyward
WR: Sterling Sharpe, M. Irvin, H. Ellard
TE: K. Winslow, Brent Jones
OT: J. Ogden, T. Boselli
OG: B. Hamilton, B. Waters
C: J. Hilgenberg, J. Christy
DE: B. Smith, N. Smith, Claude Humphrey
DT: C. Kennedy, G. Warren
MLB: L. Tatupu, T. Bruschi
OLB: D. Thomas, P. Swilling, S. Joyner
FS: G. Fencik, D. Sharper
SS: Bob Sanders, L. Milloy
CB: C. Bailey, C. McAllister, D. Bly
KR/PR: D. Howard
K: N. Johnson
P: J. Feagles
Coach: M. Shanahan

Marino will mean a strong passing game, but this team badly needs speed on offense, especially in the backfield. Only one backup OL means this team wouldn't even be able to compete. Way too young and too many holes on the bench. Special teams nothing special. Outstanding head coach.

9. Old Dude's OLD DUDES

QB: Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman
HB: Floyd Little, Whizzer White
FB: Jim Brown, Marion Motely
WR: Don Hutson, Don Maynard, Bobby Mitchell, Mac Speedie
TE: Fred Arbanas, Cal Hubbard
OT: Anthony Munoz, Roosevelt Brown, Lou Groza
OG: Gene Upshaw, Gene Hickerson, Walt Sweeney
C: Jon Morris, Mel Hein

DT: Bob Lilly, Ernie Ladd, Ernie Stautner, Link Lyman
DE: Gino Marchetti, Len Ford, Joe Stydahar
OLB: Chuck Howley, Chris Hanburger, Dave Robinson, Les Richter
MLB: Tommy Nobis, Lee Roy Jordan
FS: Cliff Harris, Red Grange
SS: Emlen Tunnell, Ernie Nevers
CB: Emmit Thomas, Erich Barnes, Jack Butler

PK: Lou Groza, Les Richter
P: Sammy Baugh, Whizzer White
Returns: Mitchell & Little

HC: Paul Brown

Judging the strength of this team can best be done by noting everyone on the roster who was once (or still) regarded as arguably the best ever at their positions in league history: JBrown, Hutson, Munoz, Lilly, Marchetti, PBrown. Also, Upshaw was the best holder ever.


10. Killericon -- Anime Nation

Offense:

QB - Bart Starr, Micheal Vick
RB - Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis
FB - Mike Alstott
WR - Tim Brown, Andre Rison
WR - Lynn Swann, Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
WR - Joe Horn
TE - Dave Casper, Alge Crumpler
LT - Gary Zimmerman
LG - Will Shields
C - Tom Nalen, Jeff Hartings
RG - Mike Michalske, Ray Brown
RT - Rayfield Wright

4-3 Defense: Running Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
DT - William Perry, Casey Hampton
DT - Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
MLB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Ray Nischke, Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

3-4 Defense: Passing Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
NT - Casey Hampton, William Perry, Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
WILB - Ray Nischke
SILB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

Special Teams:

KOS - Neil Rackers
K - Neil Rackers
P - Bryan Barker
KR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
PR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail

Staff:

HC - John Madden

Strong offense, with the exception of Alstott, who I've never particularly liked. Tons of explosive talent in the backfield. Strong WRs and TEs and a mobile O line.

The defense is much weaker. The starting front four is pretty solid. Nitchske would undoubtedly move to MLB and put Wilson on the outside, where he would thrive. Very slow secondary would get picked on mucho.

11. Ray Finkle's Aces

QB: Brett Favre
RB:Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes
FB: Sam Gash, Daryl Johnston
WR: Tom Fears, Mike Quick
WR: Pete Pihos, Eric Metcalf
TE: Mark Bavaro, Randy McMichael
OT: Orlando Pace
OT: Mike McCormack, Paul Gruber
OG: Jim Parker
OG: Mark Schlereth, John Hicks
C: Dermontti Dawson, George Trafton
DT: Jerome Brown, Rod Coleman
DT: Sam Adams
DE: Eric Swann, Bryce Paup
DE: Andy Robustelli
OLB: Lawrence Taylor
MLB: Junior Seau
OLB: Ken Norton, Dan Morgan
CB: Mike Haynes, Troy Vincent
CB: Dale Carter
SS: Jack Christiansen, Chuck Cecil
FS: Merton Hanks, Pat Tillman

P: Ray Guy
K: Nick Lowery
HC: Parcells

Offense chock full of determined players with a nose for the end zone.

Not in love with the defense. Only five and half DL makes the defense questionable up front. Strong LBs, but the DBs are average outside of Mike Haynes.

12. Bronco LB 52's B52s

QB: Peyton Manning, Joe Namath, Bobby Layne
RB: Bo Jackson, Paul Hourning, LeRoy Kelly, Charley Trippi
FB: Maxie Baughn, LeRoy Kelly
WR: Jerry Rice, Tommy McDonald
WR: Charley Taylor, Otis Taylor
TE: Todd Christiansen, Billy Joe Dupree
LT: Larry Little, Rich Saul
LG: Ron Mix, Rich Saul
C: Bob Kuechenberg, Kent Hull
RG: Dan Fortmann, Rich Saul
RT: Frank "Bruiser" Kinard, Rich Saul

DE: Elvin Bethea
DT: Mean Joe Greene, Houston Antwine
DT: Larry Brooks, Fred Dean
DE: George Andrie, Ben Davidson
SOLB: Ted Hendricks, Maxie Baughn
MLB: Sam Huff, Maxie Baughn
WOLB: Robert Brazile, Bob Swenson
CB: Herb Adderly, Speedy Duncan
SS: Ed Reed, Carnell Lake
FS: Billy Thompson, Carnell Lake
CB: Albert Lewis, Charley Trippi

KR/PR: Charley Trippi, Tommy McDonald
K: Paul Hourning
P: Rohn Stark
HC: George “Papa Bear” Halas
Def Coord: Bill Arnsparger

Sort of conflicted about this team's offense. I've never been a Bo Jackson fan and Peyton Manning and Todd Christiansen are not my favorite people, either. Larry Little out of position at LT.

A big, rugged and physically intimidating defense in all phases.

13. The Youcandoit Toads

QB - Steve Young, Archie Manning
RB – Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson
FB/HB – John Riggins, William Henderson, Doak Walker
WR - John Stallworth, Anquan Boldin,Anthony Miller
WR - Hines Ward, Javon Walker, Keyshawn Johnson
TE - Tony Gonzalez, LeBron James
T - Art Shell
G - Billy Shaw
C - Clyde "Bulldog" Turner
G - Jimbo Covert
T - Ron Yary
DE - Julius Peppers
DT - Henry Jordan, Bob Baumhower
DT - Tony Siragusa
DE - Trevor Pryce, Willie McGinest
OLB - Dave Wilcox
MLB - Mike Singletary, Jeremiah Trotter
OLB - Jonathan Vilma, Chuck Drazenovich
CB - Ty Law, Darien Gordon
FS - Roy Williams, Mike Brown
SS - Ronnie Lott
CB - Dan Sandifer

P - Brian Moorman
K - Ryan Longwell
R – Darien Gordon
Coach - Vince Lombardi

Really hard to give this team a strong score when there is virtually no bench whatsoever and so many players are inexperienced. Five RB, six WR and wasted picks like LeBron James sabotaged the effort overall.

14. Dipso's Chef and Fade Free

QB- Otto Graham, Terry Bradshaw
RB- Terrell Davis, Steve Van Buren, Herschel Walker
FB- Lorenzo Neal, Larry Centers
WR- Cris Carter, Chad Johnson
WR- Herman Moore, Terrance Mathis
TE- Jackie Smith, Russ Francis
T- Joe Jacoby, Bob Whitfield
G- Randall McDaniel, Conrad Dobler
C- Dwight Stephenson, Bart Oates
G- Guy McIntyre
T- Bruce Armstrong, Leo "The Lion" Nomellini

DE- Rich "Tombstone" Jackson, Michael Sinclair
DT- Roger Brown, Gilbert Brown
DT- Leo "The Lion" Nomellini,
DE- Mark Gastineau
OLB- Mike Curtis
MLB- Ray Lewis, Jesse Tuggle
OLB- Joe Fortunato Isiah Robertson
CB- Jimmy Johnson
CB- Roger Wehrli, DeAngelo Hall
SS- Ken Houston, Sean Taylor
FS- Kenny "Easley like Sunday Morning"

K- Mike Vanderjagt
P- Chris Gardocki

PR- DeAngelo Hall
KR- Herschel Walker

HC - Don Shula

Otto! No nonsense running attack and extremely mobile O line set the tone on offense.

Ray Ray and Gastineau make this a team I couldn't root for under any circumstances. I think Mike Curtis would be pretty pissed about being moved outside. Only a matter of time before the safeties kill somebody.

15. Mr. Trout

OFFENSE
QB, Fran Tarkenton, Eli Manning, Tony Canadeo or Nolan Cromwell
RB Tony Dorsett, Steven Jackson, Tony Canadeo
FB, Larry Csonka, Jason Witten
WR, Andre Reed, Steve Smith (KR, PR)
WR, Irving Fryar, Roy Williams
TE, Antonio Gates, Jason Witten
T, Richmond Webb, Tarik Glenn
G, Mike Munchack, Mike Wahle
C, Mark Stepnoski, Randy Cross
G, Alan Faneca, Mike Wahle
T, John Runyan, Tarik Glenn

DEFENSE
DE, Deacon Jones, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
DT, Jamal Williams, Howie Long
DT, Kevin Williams, Chris Hovan
DE, Howie Long, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
OLB, Bobby Bell, Darryl Talley
MLB, Mike Peterson, James Farrior
OLB, Keith Bulluck, Darryl Talley
CB, Darrel Green, Rashean Mathis
CB, Louis Wright, Antoine Winfield
S, Jack Tatum, Nolan Cromwell
S, Troy Polamalu, Nolan Cromwell
K, Gary Anderson
P, Shane Lechler
Coach, Hank Stram

Lost points for all the young players, but a pretty solid roster overall. The DEs and secondary are particularly impressive.

16. JCMElway -- Those Cheap Bastards:

QB: Dan Fouts, Bob Waterford
RB: Emmit Smith, Jim Thorpe, Hugh McElhenny
FB: John Henry Johnson, Cookie Gilchrist
WR: Crazy Legs Hirsch, Drew Pearson, Steve Tasker
WR: Charlie Joiner, Lionel Taylor
TE: Charlie Sanders, Ron Kramer
OT: Forrest Gregg, Mike Kenn, Ron Karamer
OG: George Musso, Bill Willis, Mike Kenn
C: Bob Langer, Chuck Badnarik, Mike Kenn
OG: Lou Creekmur, Bill Willis, Mike Kenn
OT: JimTyrer, Mike Kenn, Jerry Mays

DE: Willie Davis, Jerry Mays, George Webster
DT: Joe Klecko, Rubin Carter, Jerry Mays
DT: Curley Culp, Tom Sestak, Bill Willis
DE: Carl Eller, Bill Willis
SOLB: Chuck Bednarik, George Webster
MLB: Dick Butkus, John Offerdahl
WOLB: Tom Jackson, Bill Willis
CB: Dick Night Train Lane, Bob Waterford, Johnny Robinson
FS: Jim Thorpe, Johnny Robinson, Bill Willis
SS: Joey Browner, George Webster
CB: Everson Walls, Ken Riley
Nickel CB: Ken Riley
Dime CB: Johnny Robinson

K: Morten Anderson
P: Jim Thorpe
KR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McElhenny
PR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McEllhenny
ST: Steve Tasker
Third Down Back: Hugh McElhenny
Coach: Tom Landry

Grinding, workmanlike offense, just needs a little more speed to be complete.

Nasty defense. Butkus, Bednarik, Night Train and JBrowner equal lots of welts for the opposition. Personnel ideal for a 3-4, but the downside would be getting punched in the face by Butkus when you make the suggestion.

Tremendous special teams from top to bottom.

[JCMElway]

Current standings with 4 rankings complete.

Slap -- 14.3
Old Dude -- 14
Eddie Mac -- 12.75
JCM -- 12
Big Guy -- 10.75
Phisg -- 10.5
Arkie -- 9
Clockwork Orange -- 9
Bronco LB 52 -- 8.75
Dipso -- 7
Ray Finkle -- 6.7
Mr. Trout -- 4.5
Killericon -- 3.5
Youcandoit/Toad -- 3.25
Rshackleford -- 3
BMF Bronco - 1

[Rocket 7]

My quarterbacks don't set passing records they just win championships.

Van Buren was the best post war back until JB came around. You guys already know about Terrell Davis so nothing I can say that you don't already know.

Lozenzo Neal is a great blocker. Wherever he goes his running back numbers go up. And were he left they go down.

WR's Cris Carter is the greatest reciever not named Jerry Rice. Herman Moore is big and stong. Chad Johnson is always open. Ask him.
My O-line

T- Joe Jacoby, Bob Whitfield
G- Randall McDaniel, Conrad Dobler
C- Dwight Stephenson, Bart Oates
G- Guy McIntyre
T- Bruce Armstrong, Leo "The Lion" Nomellin

Solid and if I'm running left look out. I've got the best pair of centers on any team
I'll do my defense later

[youcandoit1687]

good points slap and yes, yes, the OLine is killin me. i was planning on picking those up in FA because there were a ton that i had targeted. about the durability, projection on young players. i think the same point could be made about guys like TD or gale sayers. i mean TD only "played" for 4 years then got injured, so did he warrant to be picked #20 or something? by that criteria, no. i drafted players on the criteria of what they did in their prime for the most part.

[-Slap-]

good points slap and yes, yes, the OLine is killin me. i was planning on picking those up in FA because there were a ton that i had targeted. about the durability, projection on young players. i think the same point could be made about guys like TD or gale sayers. i mean TD only "played" for 4 years then got injured, so did he warrant to be picked #20 or something? by that criteria, no. i drafted players on the criteria of what they did in their prime for the most part.
I think its valid to consider how brief the primes were for guys like TD, Sayers, Earl Campbell and some other backs who were drafted highly. You also have to consider these guys had 3-4 year stretches that compare favorably with the best years of Jim Brown's career. Sayers had moves nobody ever say before, TD was the workhorse on back to back champions and Campbell was the most dominant power back ever.

I think you have a ton of talent on your team, but the roster composition was a real problem. Besides the iron man offensive line, you're running a pretty lean mixture on defensive reserves, too.

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1. Duke's Dream Team (DDT)

Head Coach: Marv Levy

WR: Steve Largent, Mark Clayton, John Taylor
TE: Mike Ditka, Jay Novacek
RT: George Kunz, Ralph Neely
RG: Larry Allen
C: Jim Otto
LG: Ruben Brown, Dennis Harrah
LT: Chris Hinton, Al Blozis
WR: James Lofton, Gary Clark
QB: John Elway, Jim Kelly
RB: Eric Dickerson, Roger Craig, Mel Gray
FB: Howard Griffith, Alan Ameche

RDE: Chris Doleman
RDT: Alan Page, La'Roi Glover
LDT: Dan Hampton
LDE: Leslie O'Neal
WLB: Greg Lloyd, Bill Bergey
MLB: Willie Lanier, Sam Mills
SLB: Ricky Jackson
CB: Lester Hayes
FS: Larry Wilson
SS: Donnie Shell, Tim McDonald
CB: Mel Renfro, Bobby Boyd

K: Garo Yepremian
P: Darren Bennett
KR: Mel Gray
PR: John Taylor

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thin at Dline. strong QB, backs, TEs, and receivers. pretty good defense.

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2. BMF Bronco

QB: Tom Brady, Lenny Dawson
RB: Walter Payton, Edgerrin James, Ahman Green
FB: Cory Schlessinger, Otis Anderson
WR: Rod Smith, Terrel Owens, Bryalon Edwards
WR: Dante Lavelli, Keenan McCardell
TE: Ozzie Newsome, Kyle Brady
OT: Dan Dierdorf
OG: Kevin Mawae, Dick Stanfel
C: Jeff Saturday
OG: Howard Mudd
OT: Kyle Turley

DE: Michael Strahan, Erasmus James
DT: Bryant Young, Levon Kirkland
DT: Keith Millard
DE: Lyle Alzado, Alfred Williams, Rulon Jones
OLB: Karl Mecklenburg, Mike Vrabel
MLB: Brian Urlacher, Hardy Nickerson
OLB: Bill Romanowski, Pepper Johnson
CB: Willie Brown
FS: Deron Cherry, Leroy Butler
SS: Adam Archuletta
CB:

P: Sean Landetta
K: Jan Stenerud

Coach: Bill Belichekgreat receivers, possibly the best assembled. are you missing a corner? thin OLine, kyle turley? great linebackers, pretty good dline. solid team

3. Phisig

qb- Donovan McNabb, Sonny Jurgenson
rb- Barry Sanders, Corey Dillon
fb- Rocky Blier
wr- Marvin Harrison, Jimmy Smith
wr- Isaac Bruce, Reggie Wayne
te- Jeremy Shockey, Wesley Walls
t- Willie Roaf, Chris Samuels
g- Steve Wisenewski, Kevin Gogan
c- Matt Birk
g- Steve Hutchinson, Nick Mangold
t- Bruce Matthews, D'Brickashaw Ferguson

de- Dwight Freeney
dt- Merlin Olsen
dt- John Randle, Richard Seymour
de- Terrel Suggs, Jason Taylor
olb- Joey Porter, Donnie Edwards
mlb- Jack Lambert, Chris Spielman
olb- Derrick Brooks
cb- Mel Blount, Patrick Surtain
fs- Steve Atwater, Brock Marion
ss- John Lynch
cb- Rod Woodson

k- Adam Vinateri
p- Todd Sauerbrun
kr- Dante Hall

hc- Bill Cowher great great oline.not much depth in the backfield. great receivers. pretty good defense.
4. Eddie Mac --The Fighting Irish

QB Joe Montana, YA Tittle, George Blanda
RB Gale Sayers, Franco Harris, Ricky Watters
FB Bronko Nagurski
WR Lance Alworth, Fred Biletnikoff
WR Raymond Berry, Art Powell
TE Ben Coates, Riley Odoms
OT Walter Jones
OT Lomas Brown, George Connor
OG Tom Mack, Ed Budde
OG Bill Fralic, Ed Budde
OC Frank Gatski, Mick Tingelhoff

DE Lee Roy Selmon, Harvey Martin, Jevon Kearse
DE Richard Dent, Ray Childress
NT Arnie Weinmeister, MD Perry, Ray Childress,
OLB Kevin Greene, Keith Brooking
ILB Bill George, George Connor
ILB Nick Buoniconti, George Connor
OLB Cornelius Bennett, Keith Brooking
CB Deion Sanders, Butch Byrd
CB Frank Minniefield, Dave Grayson
S Willie Wood, Dwight Hicks
S Yale Lary, Dwight Hicks

K George Blanda
P Yale Lary
KR/PR Deion Sanders, Yale Lary

HC Chuck Nollgreat QBs and RBs. love the nagurski pick. classic receivers, love alworth and biletnikoff. solid defense, should be a good 3-4
5. Big Guy -- THE OLD FARTS

QB - Roger Staubach, Bob Griese
RB - OJ Simpson, Jim Taylor, Joe Don Looney
FB - Joe Perry
WR - Paul Warfield, Boyd Dowler
WR - Harold Carmichael, Frank Gifford
TE - John Mackey, Bob Trumpy
T - Bob St Clair, Winston HIll
G -Joe Delamielleure, Max Montoya
C - Jim Ringo, Charlie Ane
G- Jerry Kramer
T - Stan Jones

DE - Bubba Smith, Fred Dryer
DT - Alex Karras, Jim Marshall
DT - Randy White, Dave Butz
DE - Ed Too Tall Jones
WOLB - Brad Van Pelt, Scott Studwell
MLB - Joe Schmidt, Steve Nelson
SOLB - Wayne Walker - Will also be PK, Clay Mathews
CB - Lem Barney
CB - Tom Brookshier, Abe Woodson (also KR)
SS - Dick LeBeau, Jake Scott
FS - Dick Anderson

PR - Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
P – Don Chandler good backfield, dont really like the looney pick but hes a third stringer. love mackey. very well built lines, solid back 7. good team
6. Slap -- The KnockYerDickintheDirts

QB Johnny Unitas
RB Earl Campbell
FB Keith Byars
WR Torry Holt
WR Lenny Moore
TE Shannon Sharpe
RT Russ Washington
RG Ed White
C Olin Kruetz
LG John Hannah
LT Bob Brown
LDE Doug Atkins
LDT Gene Lipscomb
RDT Buck Buchanan
RDE Charles Haley
SLB Jack Ham
MLB Randy Gradishar
WLB Andre Tippett
CB Aeneas Williams
FS Brian Dawkins
SS Dennis Smith
CB Lemar Parrish
Backups:
QB Neil Lomax
RB Curtis Martin
FB/ST Ron Wolfley
WR Bob Hayes
WR/RS Rick Upchurch
TE Keith Jackson
C/G Ray Donaldson
OT Jim Lachey

NT Fred Smerlas
DE Coy Bacon
LB Matt Blair
LB Andy Russell
CB/S Cornell Green
CB/RS Raymond Clayborn

K - David Akers
P - Pat McInally

HC Joe Gibbs great starting offense. i think the best offense ive rated yet. great defense too.
7. Clockwork -- The Sacrelegends

QB: Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham
RB: LaDanian Tomlinson, Reggie Bush
FB: Tom Rathman
WR: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald
WR: Art Monk, Ed McCaffrey
TE: Todd Heap, Steve Jordan
OT: Jackie Slater, Tony Jones
OG: Russ Grimm, Jesse Sapolu
C: Mike Webster, Keith Bishop
OG: Nate Newton
OT: Erik Williams

DE: Reggie White, Simon Fletcher
DT: Art Donovan, Bill Maas
DT: John Henderson
DE: Jack Youngblood, Charles Mann

LB: Harry Carson, Peter Boulware
LB: Zach Thomas
LB: Wilber Marshall, Jessie Armstead

CB: Charles Woodson, Samari Rolle
CB: Eric Allen, Nathan Vasher
FS: Darren Woodson, Mark Carrier
SS: Rodney Harrison

K: Jason Elam
P: Reggie Roby

Coach: Bill Walsh not much depth in the backfield. great receivers and TEs. solid o line. great DLine, good LBs and a great secondary IMO.

8. Rshackleford -- The Fightin' Daves:

QB: Dan Marino, Troy Aikman
RB: J. Bettis, T. Thomas
FB: M. Strong, C. Heyward
WR: Sterling Sharpe, M. Irvin, H. Ellard
TE: K. Winslow, Brent Jones
OT: J. Ogden, T. Boselli
OG: B. Hamilton, B. Waters
C: J. Hilgenberg, J. Christy
DE: B. Smith, N. Smith, Claude Humphrey
DT: C. Kennedy, G. Warren
MLB: L. Tatupu, T. Bruschi
OLB: D. Thomas, P. Swilling, S. Joyner
FS: G. Fencik, D. Sharper
SS: Bob Sanders, L. Milloy
CB: C. Bailey, C. McAllister, D. Bly
KR/PR: D. Howard
K: N. Johnson
P: J. Feagles
Coach: M. Shanahangreat backfield. not much depth at the skills tho. good Oline, but not much depth. decent DLine, the middle could be a liability tho and not much depth. is it a 3-4 or 4-3? looks likea 4-3 but not entirely sure,pretty good LBs. great secondary. props for getting shanny lol

9. Old Dude's OLD DUDES

QB: Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman
HB: Floyd Little, Whizzer White
FB: Jim Brown, Marion Motely
WR: Don Hutson, Don Maynard, Bobby Mitchell, Mac Speedie
TE: Fred Arbanas, Cal Hubbard
OT: Anthony Munoz, Roosevelt Brown, Lou Groza
OG: Gene Upshaw, Gene Hickerson, Walt Sweeney
C: Jon Morris, Mel Hein

DT: Bob Lilly, Ernie Ladd, Ernie Stautner, Link Lyman
DE: Gino Marchetti, Len Ford, Joe Stydahar
OLB: Chuck Howley, Chris Hanburger, Dave Robinson, Les Richter
MLB: Tommy Nobis, Lee Roy Jordan
FS: Cliff Harris, Red Grange
SS: Emlen Tunnell, Ernie Nevers
CB: Emmit Thomas, Erich Barnes, Jack Butler

PK: Lou Groza, Les Richter
P: Sammy Baugh, Whizzer White
Returns: Mitchell & Little

HC: Paul Brown hopefully my memory serves me on these guys. all fom before the 80s if i remember right, props to you for that. i love the whizzer white pick, possibly the best story of this draft. the great thing about your team is that the depth is evenly spaced out among the positions and there are a lot of multiple position players. great o line and d line. good secondary. well done OD

10. Killericon -- Anime Nation

Offense:

QB - Bart Starr, Micheal Vick
RB - Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis
FB - Mike Alstott
WR - Tim Brown, Andre Rison
WR - Lynn Swann, Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
WR - Joe Horn
TE - Dave Casper, Alge Crumpler
LT - Gary Zimmerman
LG - Will Shields
C - Tom Nalen, Jeff Hartings
RG - Mike Michalske, Ray Brown
RT - Rayfield Wright

4-3 Defense: Running Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
DT - William Perry, Casey Hampton
DT - Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
MLB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Ray Nischke, Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

3-4 Defense: Passing Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
NT - Casey Hampton, William Perry, Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
WILB - Ray Nischke
SILB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

Special Teams:

KOS - Neil Rackers
K - Neil Rackers
P - Bryan Barker
KR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
PR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail

Staff:

HC - John Maddennot so sure about the QBs, ud have to change the offense to accomodate vick. very good OLine and skill players. love your backfield, very versatile backs. great defense, not so sure bout the secondary but there should be a seemless transition from the 4-3 to 3-4.

11. Ray Finkle's Aces

QB: Brett Favre
RB:Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes
FB: Sam Gash, Daryl Johnston
WR: Tom Fears, Mike Quick
WR: Pete Pihos, Eric Metcalf
TE: Mark Bavaro, Randy McMichael
OT: Orlando Pace
OT: Mike McCormack, Paul Gruber
OG: Jim Parker
OG: Mark Schlereth, John Hicks
C: Dermontti Dawson, George Trafton
DT: Jerome Brown, Rod Coleman
DT: Sam Adams
DE: Eric Swann, Bryce Paup
DE: Andy Robustelli
OLB: Lawrence Taylor
MLB: Junior Seau
OLB: Ken Norton, Dan Morgan
CB: Mike Haynes, Troy Vincent
CB: Dale Carter
SS: Jack Christiansen, Chuck Cecil
FS: Merton Hanks, Pat Tillman

P: Ray Guy
K: Nick Lowery
HC: Parcellsno backup QB, the hardest position to plug someone in. pretty good skill position players on O. good oline and dline. very solid LBs but not much depth. decent DBs

12. Bronco LB 52's B52s

QB: Peyton Manning, Joe Namath, Bobby Layne
RB: Bo Jackson, Paul Hourning, LeRoy Kelly, Charley Trippi
FB: Maxie Baughn, LeRoy Kelly
WR: Jerry Rice, Tommy McDonald
WR: Charley Taylor, Otis Taylor
TE: Todd Christiansen, Billy Joe Dupree
LT: Larry Little, Rich Saul
LG: Ron Mix, Rich Saul
C: Bob Kuechenberg, Kent Hull
RG: Dan Fortmann, Rich Saul
RT: Frank "Bruiser" Kinard, Rich Saul

DE: Elvin Bethea
DT: Mean Joe Greene, Houston Antwine
DT: Larry Brooks, Fred Dean
DE: George Andrie, Ben Davidson
SOLB: Ted Hendricks, Maxie Baughn
MLB: Sam Huff, Maxie Baughn
WOLB: Robert Brazile, Bob Swenson
CB: Herb Adderly, Speedy Duncan
SS: Ed Reed, Carnell Lake
FS: Billy Thompson, Carnell Lake
CB: Albert Lewis, Charley Trippi

KR/PR: Charley Trippi, Tommy McDonald
K: Paul Hourning
P: Rohn Stark
HC: George “Papa Bear” Halas
Def Coord: Bill Arnsparger great leaders at QB, decent backs and receivers. good oline. great dline and secondary.

14. Dipso's Chef and Fade Free

QB- Otto Graham, Terry Bradshaw
RB- Terrell Davis, Steve Van Buren, Herschel Walker
FB- Lorenzo Neal, Larry Centers
WR- Cris Carter, Chad Johnson
WR- Herman Moore, Terrance Mathis
TE- Jackie Smith, Russ Francis
T- Joe Jacoby, Bob Whitfield
G- Randall McDaniel, Conrad Dobler
C- Dwight Stephenson, Bart Oates
G- Guy McIntyre
T- Bruce Armstrong, Leo "The Lion" Nomellini

DE- Rich "Tombstone" Jackson, Michael Sinclair
DT- Roger Brown, Gilbert Brown
DT- Leo "The Lion" Nomellini,
DE- Mark Gastineau
OLB- Mike Curtis
MLB- Ray Lewis, Jesse Tuggle
OLB- Joe Fortunato Isiah Robertson
CB- Jimmy Johnson
CB- Roger Wehrli, DeAngelo Hall
SS- Ken Houston, Sean Taylor
FS- Kenny "Easley like Sunday Morning"

K- Mike Vanderjagt
P- Chris Gardocki

PR- DeAngelo Hall
KR- Herschel Walker

HC - Don Shula great backfield. good receivers and TEs. strong Oline and DLine. decent back 7. great STs
15. Mr. Trout

OFFENSE
QB, Fran Tarkenton, Eli Manning, Tony Canadeo or Nolan Cromwell
RB Tony Dorsett, Steven Jackson, Tony Canadeo
FB, Larry Csonka, Jason Witten
WR, Andre Reed, Steve Smith (KR, PR)
WR, Irving Fryar, Roy Williams
TE, Antonio Gates, Jason Witten
T, Richmond Webb, Tarik Glenn
G, Mike Munchack, Mike Wahle
C, Mark Stepnoski, Randy Cross
G, Alan Faneca, Mike Wahle
T, John Runyan, Tarik Glenn

DEFENSE
DE, Deacon Jones, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
DT, Jamal Williams, Howie Long
DT, Kevin Williams, Chris Hovan
DE, Howie Long, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
OLB, Bobby Bell, Darryl Talley
MLB, Mike Peterson, James Farrior
OLB, Keith Bulluck, Darryl Talley
CB, Darrel Green, Rashean Mathis
CB, Louis Wright, Antoine Winfield
S, Jack Tatum, Nolan Cromwell
S, Troy Polamalu, Nolan Cromwell
K, Gary Anderson
P, Shane Lechler
Coach, Hank Strama bunch of QBs but the backups are versatile. good RBs, verdict is still out on steven jackson IMO. great TEs, good receivers. good oline. very strong secondary, definitely your defenes greatest attribute.

16. JCMElway -- Those Cheap Bastards:

QB: Dan Fouts, Bob Waterford
RB: Emmit Smith, Jim Thorpe, Hugh McElhenny
FB: John Henry Johnson, Cookie Gilchrist
WR: Crazy Legs Hirsch, Drew Pearson, Steve Tasker
WR: Charlie Joiner, Lionel Taylor
TE: Charlie Sanders, Ron Kramer
OT: Forrest Gregg, Mike Kenn, Ron Karamer
OG: George Musso, Bill Willis, Mike Kenn
C: Bob Langer, Chuck Badnarik, Mike Kenn
OG: Lou Creekmur, Bill Willis, Mike Kenn
OT: JimTyrer, Mike Kenn, Jerry Mays

DE: Willie Davis, Jerry Mays, George Webster
DT: Joe Klecko, Rubin Carter, Jerry Mays
DT: Curley Culp, Tom Sestak, Bill Willis
DE: Carl Eller, Bill Willis
SOLB: Chuck Bednarik, George Webster
MLB: Dick Butkus, John Offerdahl
WOLB: Tom Jackson, Bill Willis
CB: Dick Night Train Lane, Bob Waterford, Johnny Robinson
FS: Jim Thorpe, Johnny Robinson, Bill Willis
SS: Joey Browner, George Webster
CB: Everson Walls, Ken Riley
Nickel CB: Ken Riley
Dime CB: Johnny Robinson

K: Morten Anderson
P: Jim Thorpe
KR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McElhenny
PR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McEllhenny
ST: Steve Tasker
Third Down Back: Hugh McElhenny
Coach: Tom Landry good QBs. good backfield. decent WRs. good lines, great LBs and great secondary. big props for the jim thorpe pick, he sure did help with depth at multiple positions.

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1. Duke's Dream Team (DDT)

Head Coach: Marv Levy

WR: Steve Largent, Mark Clayton, John Taylor
TE: Mike Ditka, Jay Novacek
RT: George Kunz, Ralph Neely
RG: Larry Allen
C: Jim Otto
LG: Ruben Brown, Dennis Harrah
LT: Chris Hinton, Al Blozis
WR: James Lofton, Gary Clark
QB: John Elway, Jim Kelly
RB: Eric Dickerson, Roger Craig, Mel Gray
FB: Howard Griffith, Alan Ameche

RDE: Chris Doleman
RDT: Alan Page, La'Roi Glover
LDT: Dan Hampton
LDE: Leslie O'Neal
WLB: Greg Lloyd, Bill Bergey
MLB: Willie Lanier, Sam Mills
SLB: Ricky Jackson
CB: Lester Hayes
FS: Larry Wilson
SS: Donnie Shell, Tim McDonald
CB: Mel Renfro, Bobby Boyd

K: Garo Yepremian
P: Darren Bennett
KR: Mel Gray
PR: John Taylor

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thin at Dline. strong QB, backs, TEs, and receivers. pretty good defense.

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2. BMF Bronco

QB: Tom Brady, Lenny Dawson
RB: Walter Payton, Edgerrin James, Ahman Green
FB: Cory Schlessinger, Otis Anderson
WR: Rod Smith, Terrel Owens, Bryalon Edwards
WR: Dante Lavelli, Keenan McCardell
TE: Ozzie Newsome, Kyle Brady
OT: Dan Dierdorf
OG: Kevin Mawae, Dick Stanfel
C: Jeff Saturday
OG: Howard Mudd
OT: Kyle Turley

DE: Michael Strahan, Erasmus James
DT: Bryant Young, Levon Kirkland
DT: Keith Millard
DE: Lyle Alzado, Alfred Williams, Rulon Jones
OLB: Karl Mecklenburg, Mike Vrabel
MLB: Brian Urlacher, Hardy Nickerson
OLB: Bill Romanowski, Pepper Johnson
CB: Willie Brown
FS: Deron Cherry, Leroy Butler
SS: Adam Archuletta
CB:

P: Sean Landetta
K: Jan Stenerud

Coach: Bill Belichekgreat receivers, possibly the best assembled. are you missing a corner? thin OLine, kyle turley? great linebackers, pretty good dline. solid team

3. Phisig

qb- Donovan McNabb, Sonny Jurgenson
rb- Barry Sanders, Corey Dillon
fb- Rocky Blier
wr- Marvin Harrison, Jimmy Smith
wr- Isaac Bruce, Reggie Wayne
te- Jeremy Shockey, Wesley Walls
t- Willie Roaf, Chris Samuels
g- Steve Wisenewski, Kevin Gogan
c- Matt Birk
g- Steve Hutchinson, Nick Mangold
t- Bruce Matthews, D'Brickashaw Ferguson

de- Dwight Freeney
dt- Merlin Olsen
dt- John Randle, Richard Seymour
de- Terrel Suggs, Jason Taylor
olb- Joey Porter, Donnie Edwards
mlb- Jack Lambert, Chris Spielman
olb- Derrick Brooks
cb- Mel Blount, Patrick Surtain
fs- Steve Atwater, Brock Marion
ss- John Lynch
cb- Rod Woodson

k- Adam Vinateri
p- Todd Sauerbrun
kr- Dante Hall

hc- Bill Cowher great great oline.not much depth in the backfield. great receivers. pretty good defense.
4. Eddie Mac --The Fighting Irish

QB Joe Montana, YA Tittle, George Blanda
RB Gale Sayers, Franco Harris, Ricky Watters
FB Bronko Nagurski
WR Lance Alworth, Fred Biletnikoff
WR Raymond Berry, Art Powell
TE Ben Coates, Riley Odoms
OT Walter Jones
OT Lomas Brown, George Connor
OG Tom Mack, Ed Budde
OG Bill Fralic, Ed Budde
OC Frank Gatski, Mick Tingelhoff

DE Lee Roy Selmon, Harvey Martin, Jevon Kearse
DE Richard Dent, Ray Childress
NT Arnie Weinmeister, MD Perry, Ray Childress,
OLB Kevin Greene, Keith Brooking
ILB Bill George, George Connor
ILB Nick Buoniconti, George Connor
OLB Cornelius Bennett, Keith Brooking
CB Deion Sanders, Butch Byrd
CB Frank Minniefield, Dave Grayson
S Willie Wood, Dwight Hicks
S Yale Lary, Dwight Hicks

K George Blanda
P Yale Lary
KR/PR Deion Sanders, Yale Lary

HC Chuck Nollgreat QBs and RBs. love the nagurski pick. classic receivers, love alworth and biletnikoff. solid defense, should be a good 3-4
5. Big Guy -- THE OLD FARTS

QB - Roger Staubach, Bob Griese
RB - OJ Simpson, Jim Taylor, Joe Don Looney
FB - Joe Perry
WR - Paul Warfield, Boyd Dowler
WR - Harold Carmichael, Frank Gifford
TE - John Mackey, Bob Trumpy
T - Bob St Clair, Winston HIll
G -Joe Delamielleure, Max Montoya
C - Jim Ringo, Charlie Ane
G- Jerry Kramer
T - Stan Jones

DE - Bubba Smith, Fred Dryer
DT - Alex Karras, Jim Marshall
DT - Randy White, Dave Butz
DE - Ed Too Tall Jones
WOLB - Brad Van Pelt, Scott Studwell
MLB - Joe Schmidt, Steve Nelson
SOLB - Wayne Walker - Will also be PK, Clay Mathews
CB - Lem Barney
CB - Tom Brookshier, Abe Woodson (also KR)
SS - Dick LeBeau, Jake Scott
FS - Dick Anderson

PR - Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
P – Don Chandler good backfield, dont really like the looney pick but hes a third stringer. love mackey. very well built lines, solid back 7. good team
6. Slap -- The KnockYerDickintheDirts

QB Johnny Unitas
RB Earl Campbell
FB Keith Byars
WR Torry Holt
WR Lenny Moore
TE Shannon Sharpe
RT Russ Washington
RG Ed White
C Olin Kruetz
LG John Hannah
LT Bob Brown
LDE Doug Atkins
LDT Gene Lipscomb
RDT Buck Buchanan
RDE Charles Haley
SLB Jack Ham
MLB Randy Gradishar
WLB Andre Tippett
CB Aeneas Williams
FS Brian Dawkins
SS Dennis Smith
CB Lemar Parrish
Backups:
QB Neil Lomax
RB Curtis Martin
FB/ST Ron Wolfley
WR Bob Hayes
WR/RS Rick Upchurch
TE Keith Jackson
C/G Ray Donaldson
OT Jim Lachey

NT Fred Smerlas
DE Coy Bacon
LB Matt Blair
LB Andy Russell
CB/S Cornell Green
CB/RS Raymond Clayborn

K - David Akers
P - Pat McInally

HC Joe Gibbs great starting offense. i think the best offense ive rated yet. great defense too.
7. Clockwork -- The Sacrelegends

QB: Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham
RB: LaDanian Tomlinson, Reggie Bush
FB: Tom Rathman
WR: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald
WR: Art Monk, Ed McCaffrey
TE: Todd Heap, Steve Jordan
OT: Jackie Slater, Tony Jones
OG: Russ Grimm, Jesse Sapolu
C: Mike Webster, Keith Bishop
OG: Nate Newton
OT: Erik Williams

DE: Reggie White, Simon Fletcher
DT: Art Donovan, Bill Maas
DT: John Henderson
DE: Jack Youngblood, Charles Mann

LB: Harry Carson, Peter Boulware
LB: Zach Thomas
LB: Wilber Marshall, Jessie Armstead

CB: Charles Woodson, Samari Rolle
CB: Eric Allen, Nathan Vasher
FS: Darren Woodson, Mark Carrier
SS: Rodney Harrison

K: Jason Elam
P: Reggie Roby

Coach: Bill Walsh not much depth in the backfield. great receivers and TEs. solid o line. great DLine, good LBs and a great secondary IMO.

8. Rshackleford -- The Fightin' Daves:

QB: Dan Marino, Troy Aikman
RB: J. Bettis, T. Thomas
FB: M. Strong, C. Heyward
WR: Sterling Sharpe, M. Irvin, H. Ellard
TE: K. Winslow, Brent Jones
OT: J. Ogden, T. Boselli
OG: B. Hamilton, B. Waters
C: J. Hilgenberg, J. Christy
DE: B. Smith, N. Smith, Claude Humphrey
DT: C. Kennedy, G. Warren
MLB: L. Tatupu, T. Bruschi
OLB: D. Thomas, P. Swilling, S. Joyner
FS: G. Fencik, D. Sharper
SS: Bob Sanders, L. Milloy
CB: C. Bailey, C. McAllister, D. Bly
KR/PR: D. Howard
K: N. Johnson
P: J. Feagles
Coach: M. Shanahanok backfield. not much depth at the skills tho. good Oline, but not much depth. decent DLine, the middle could be a liability tho and not much depth. is it a 3-4 or 4-3? looks likea 4-3 but not entirely sure,pretty good LBs. great secondary. props for getting shanny lol

9. Old Dude's OLD DUDES

QB: Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman
HB: Floyd Little, Whizzer White
FB: Jim Brown, Marion Motely
WR: Don Hutson, Don Maynard, Bobby Mitchell, Mac Speedie
TE: Fred Arbanas, Cal Hubbard
OT: Anthony Munoz, Roosevelt Brown, Lou Groza
OG: Gene Upshaw, Gene Hickerson, Walt Sweeney
C: Jon Morris, Mel Hein

DT: Bob Lilly, Ernie Ladd, Ernie Stautner, Link Lyman
DE: Gino Marchetti, Len Ford, Joe Stydahar
OLB: Chuck Howley, Chris Hanburger, Dave Robinson, Les Richter
MLB: Tommy Nobis, Lee Roy Jordan
FS: Cliff Harris, Red Grange
SS: Emlen Tunnell, Ernie Nevers
CB: Emmit Thomas, Erich Barnes, Jack Butler

PK: Lou Groza, Les Richter
P: Sammy Baugh, Whizzer White
Returns: Mitchell & Little

HC: Paul Brown hopefully my memory serves me on these guys. all fom before the 80s if i remember right, props to you for that. i love the whizzer white pick, possibly the best story of this draft. the great thing about your team is that the depth is evenly spaced out among the positions and there are a lot of multiple position players. great o line and d line. good secondary. well done OD

10. Killericon -- Anime Nation

Offense:

QB - Bart Starr, Micheal Vick
RB - Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis
FB - Mike Alstott
WR - Tim Brown, Andre Rison
WR - Lynn Swann, Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
WR - Joe Horn
TE - Dave Casper, Alge Crumpler
LT - Gary Zimmerman
LG - Will Shields
C - Tom Nalen, Jeff Hartings
RG - Mike Michalske, Ray Brown
RT - Rayfield Wright

4-3 Defense: Running Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
DT - William Perry, Casey Hampton
DT - Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
MLB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Ray Nischke, Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

3-4 Defense: Passing Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
NT - Casey Hampton, William Perry, Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
WILB - Ray Nischke
SILB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

Special Teams:

KOS - Neil Rackers
K - Neil Rackers
P - Bryan Barker
KR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
PR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail

Staff:

HC - John Maddennot so sure about the QBs, ud have to change the offense to accomodate vick. very good OLine and skill players. love your backfield, very versatile backs. great defense, not so sure bout the secondary but there should be a seemless transition from the 4-3 to 3-4.

11. Ray Finkle's Aces

QB: Brett Favre
RB:Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes
FB: Sam Gash, Daryl Johnston
WR: Tom Fears, Mike Quick
WR: Pete Pihos, Eric Metcalf
TE: Mark Bavaro, Randy McMichael
OT: Orlando Pace
OT: Mike McCormack, Paul Gruber
OG: Jim Parker
OG: Mark Schlereth, John Hicks
C: Dermontti Dawson, George Trafton
DT: Jerome Brown, Rod Coleman
DT: Sam Adams
DE: Eric Swann, Bryce Paup
DE: Andy Robustelli
OLB: Lawrence Taylor
MLB: Junior Seau
OLB: Ken Norton, Dan Morgan
CB: Mike Haynes, Troy Vincent
CB: Dale Carter
SS: Jack Christiansen, Chuck Cecil
FS: Merton Hanks, Pat Tillman

P: Ray Guy
K: Nick Lowery
HC: Parcellsno backup QB, the hardest position to plug someone in. pretty good skill position players on O. good oline and dline. very solid LBs but not much depth. decent DBs

12. Bronco LB 52's B52s

QB: Peyton Manning, Joe Namath, Bobby Layne
RB: Bo Jackson, Paul Hourning, LeRoy Kelly, Charley Trippi
FB: Maxie Baughn, LeRoy Kelly
WR: Jerry Rice, Tommy McDonald
WR: Charley Taylor, Otis Taylor
TE: Todd Christiansen, Billy Joe Dupree
LT: Larry Little, Rich Saul
LG: Ron Mix, Rich Saul
C: Bob Kuechenberg, Kent Hull
RG: Dan Fortmann, Rich Saul
RT: Frank "Bruiser" Kinard, Rich Saul

DE: Elvin Bethea
DT: Mean Joe Greene, Houston Antwine
DT: Larry Brooks, Fred Dean
DE: George Andrie, Ben Davidson
SOLB: Ted Hendricks, Maxie Baughn
MLB: Sam Huff, Maxie Baughn
WOLB: Robert Brazile, Bob Swenson
CB: Herb Adderly, Speedy Duncan
SS: Ed Reed, Carnell Lake
FS: Billy Thompson, Carnell Lake
CB: Albert Lewis, Charley Trippi

KR/PR: Charley Trippi, Tommy McDonald
K: Paul Hourning
P: Rohn Stark
HC: George “Papa Bear” Halas
Def Coord: Bill Arnsparger great leaders at QB, decent backs and receivers. good oline. great dline and secondary.

14. Dipso's Chef and Fade Free

QB- Otto Graham, Terry Bradshaw
RB- Terrell Davis, Steve Van Buren, Herschel Walker
FB- Lorenzo Neal, Larry Centers
WR- Cris Carter, Chad Johnson
WR- Herman Moore, Terrance Mathis
TE- Jackie Smith, Russ Francis
T- Joe Jacoby, Bob Whitfield
G- Randall McDaniel, Conrad Dobler
C- Dwight Stephenson, Bart Oates
G- Guy McIntyre
T- Bruce Armstrong, Leo "The Lion" Nomellini

DE- Rich "Tombstone" Jackson, Michael Sinclair
DT- Roger Brown, Gilbert Brown
DT- Leo "The Lion" Nomellini,
DE- Mark Gastineau
OLB- Mike Curtis
MLB- Ray Lewis, Jesse Tuggle
OLB- Joe Fortunato Isiah Robertson
CB- Jimmy Johnson
CB- Roger Wehrli, DeAngelo Hall
SS- Ken Houston, Sean Taylor
FS- Kenny "Easley like Sunday Morning"

K- Mike Vanderjagt
P- Chris Gardocki

PR- DeAngelo Hall
KR- Herschel Walker

HC - Don Shula great backfield. good receivers and TEs. strong Oline and DLine. decent back 7. great STs
15. Mr. Trout

OFFENSE
QB, Fran Tarkenton, Eli Manning, Tony Canadeo or Nolan Cromwell
RB Tony Dorsett, Steven Jackson, Tony Canadeo
FB, Larry Csonka, Jason Witten
WR, Andre Reed, Steve Smith (KR, PR)
WR, Irving Fryar, Roy Williams
TE, Antonio Gates, Jason Witten
T, Richmond Webb, Tarik Glenn
G, Mike Munchack, Mike Wahle
C, Mark Stepnoski, Randy Cross
G, Alan Faneca, Mike Wahle
T, John Runyan, Tarik Glenn

DEFENSE
DE, Deacon Jones, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
DT, Jamal Williams, Howie Long
DT, Kevin Williams, Chris Hovan
DE, Howie Long, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
OLB, Bobby Bell, Darryl Talley
MLB, Mike Peterson, James Farrior
OLB, Keith Bulluck, Darryl Talley
CB, Darrel Green, Rashean Mathis
CB, Louis Wright, Antoine Winfield
S, Jack Tatum, Nolan Cromwell
S, Troy Polamalu, Nolan Cromwell
K, Gary Anderson
P, Shane Lechler
Coach, Hank Strama bunch of QBs but the backups are versatile. good RBs, verdict is still out on steven jackson IMO. great TEs, good receivers. good oline. very strong secondary, definitely your defenes greatest attribute.

16. JCMElway -- Those Cheap Bastards:

QB: Dan Fouts, Bob Waterford
RB: Emmit Smith, Jim Thorpe, Hugh McElhenny
FB: John Henry Johnson, Cookie Gilchrist
WR: Crazy Legs Hirsch, Drew Pearson, Steve Tasker
WR: Charlie Joiner, Lionel Taylor
TE: Charlie Sanders, Ron Kramer
OT: Forrest Gregg, Mike Kenn, Ron Karamer
OG: George Musso, Bill Willis, Mike Kenn
C: Bob Langer, Chuck Badnarik, Mike Kenn
OG: Lou Creekmur, Bill Willis, Mike Kenn
OT: JimTyrer, Mike Kenn, Jerry Mays

DE: Willie Davis, Jerry Mays, George Webster
DT: Joe Klecko, Rubin Carter, Jerry Mays
DT: Curley Culp, Tom Sestak, Bill Willis
DE: Carl Eller, Bill Willis
SOLB: Chuck Bednarik, George Webster
MLB: Dick Butkus, John Offerdahl
WOLB: Tom Jackson, Bill Willis
CB: Dick Night Train Lane, Bob Waterford, Johnny Robinson
FS: Jim Thorpe, Johnny Robinson, Bill Willis
SS: Joey Browner, George Webster
CB: Everson Walls, Ken Riley
Nickel CB: Ken Riley
Dime CB: Johnny Robinson

K: Morten Anderson
P: Jim Thorpe
KR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McElhenny
PR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McEllhenny
ST: Steve Tasker
Third Down Back: Hugh McElhenny
Coach: Tom Landry good QBs. good backfield. decent WRs. good lines, great LBs and great secondary. big props for the jim thorpe pick, he sure did help with depth at multiple positions.

[youcandoit1687]

Best
15. Clockwork Orange
14. JCMElway
13. Killericon
12. Slap
11. Mr. Trout
10. Big Guy
9. BMF Bronco
8. Dipso
7. Old Dude
6. Phisig
5. Duke's Dream Team
4. Bronco LB 52
3. Eddie Mac
2. Ray Finkle
1. Rshackleford

hard to judge, all great teams and would dominate a regular team. id love to do a follow up on this about 10 years from now when weve seen what some of the young guys drafted have done and maybe then well be able to really judge the teams

[Killericon]

This was tough.

15. JCMElway
14. Clockwork Orange
13. Duke's Dream Team
12. Slap
11. Old Dude
10. Big Guy
9. Dipso
8. Phisig
7. Mr. Trout
6. Ray Finkle
5. youcandoit1687
4. BMF Bronco
3. Eddie Mac
2. Rshackleford
1. Bronco LB 52

[JCMElway]

I'll do my defense later

Hey Dipso, you gonna rank the other 15 teams?

[JCMElway]

Updated standings

The individual scores are listed first, and then averaged together. If all of the 16 teams do the ratings then we can just add the point totals together.

Slap – 15, 14, 14, 12, 12 13.4
JCMElway – 13, 12, 11, 15, 14, 13
Old Dude – 12, 14, 15, 15, 11, 7 12.3
Clockwork – 14, 6, 7, 15, 14 11.2
Big Guy – 12, 9, 9, 13, 10, 10 10.5
Eddie Mac – 13, 11, 15, 12, 3, 3, 9.5
Phisig – 11, 13, 10, 8, 8, 6 9.3
Arkie – 9, 10, 8, 9, 13, 5, 9
Dipso – 7, 7, 8, 6, 8, 9, 7.5
Bronc LB – 11, 6, 8, 10, 1, 4, 6.7
Mr. Trout – 6, 5, 2, 5, 11, 7, 6
R Finkle – 8, 7, 5, 6, 2, 5.6
Killer – 5, 4, 3, 2, 13, 5.4
Youcan – 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 3.6
BMF – 1, 1, 1, 1, 9, 4 2.8
RShack – 3, 2, 4, 3, 2, 1 2.5

[JCMElway]

Current rankings with 6 voters' rankings:

Current standings with 6 rankings complete. I like this format a little better.

Slap -- 13.4
JCM -- 13
Old Dude -- 12.3
Clockwork Orange -- 11.2
Big Guy -- 10.5
Eddie Mac -- 9.5
Phisg -- 9.3
Arkie -- 9
Dipso -- 7.5
Bronco LB 52 -- 6.7
Mr. Trout -- 6
Ray Finkle -- 5.6
Killericon -- 5.4
Youcandoit/Toad -- 3.6
BMF Bronco -- 2.8
Rshackleford -- 2.5

[Rshackleford]

Here is my take on the draft:
15. Phisig
14. Mr. Trout
13. Duke's Dream Team
12. Clockwork Orange
11. Old Dude
10. Dipso
9. JCM Elway
8. Youcandoit
7. Slap
6. R.Finkle
5. Big Guy
4. E.Mac
3. BMF Bronco
2. Killericon
1. Bronco LB52

[JCMElway]

Updated standings with 7 out of 16 votes in:

Slap – 12.3
JCMElway – 12.3
Old Dude – 12.1
Clockwork – 11.3
Phisig – 10.1
Big Guy – 9.7
Arkie – 9.6
Eddie Mac – 8.7
Dipso – 7.9
Mr. Trout – 7.1
Bronc LB – 6
R Finkle – 5.7
Killer – 4.8
Youcan – 3.6
BMF – 2.9
RShack – 2.5

[Killericon]

Man...I'm getting annihilated.

[youcandoit1687]

i know, theyre killin us man lol. age discrimination lawsuit time!

[JCMElway]

Killer and Youcan,

Sorry guys, just turned out that way. There are still a few more votes out there.....

By the by, thanks for the props on my team eval. It's appreciated!

JCM

[Killericon]

Killer and Youcan,

Sorry guys, just turned out that way. There are still a few more votes out there.....

By the by, thanks for the props on my team eval. It's appreciated!

JCM

Hey, if that's how it is, then that's how it is.

[Rshackleford]

Think how I must feel up to this point!! Oh well, if I come in last, I will bring out the defense that less than half of my team were my picks( I took over for philbacka, or someone)! I definetly had a lot of fun though! I would of also liked to join the MLB draft but I am going on holidays pretty soon. Good luck to all 15 of you!! Special thanx to Dipsomaniac for getting me into the draft.

[JCMElway]

Think how I must feel up to this point!! Oh well, if I come in last, I will bring out the defense that less than half of my team were my picks( I took over for philbacka, or someone)! I definetly had a lot of fun though! I would of also liked to join the MLB draft but I am going on holidays pretty soon. Good luck to all 15 of you!! Special thanx to Dipsomaniac for getting me into the draft.

A viable defense at that. Your team changed hands 3-4 times.

[Rshackleford]

That I did not know.

[Ray Finkle]

I got stuck with some pretty bad picks before I picked up the team. I would not have drafted Favre but only kept one QB due to his playing streak....I only took 5 DE's since I planned on a 3-4 with the big tuna.....but I got slammed for both of those moves...

[Old Dude]

I'll try to look this over in the next 24 hours and lodge a vote. I've just been too busy getting up to speed on some other stuff (like the awards forum - - where this thread was nominated - hint, hint) but I'll give it a go as soon as I can.

[Old Dude]

Okay, FWIW, here's my rankings, top to bottom:

15. Eddie Mac
14. Clockwork
13. Slap
12. Big Guy
11. JCM
10. Arkie
9. Bronc LB 52
8. Phisig
7. Dipso
6. Youcan
5. Finkle
4. BMF
3. Trout
2. RShack
1. Killer

[Broncobsession]

Who got Jim Kelly?

[JCMElway]

New standings with 8 owners votoing:

Slap – 12.4
JCMElway – 12.1
Old Dude – 12.1
Clockwork – 11.7
Big Guy – 10
Phisig – 9.9
Arkie – 9.6
Eddie Mac – 9.5
Dipso – 7.8
Mr. Trout – 6.6
Bronc LB – 6.4
R Finkle – 5.6
Youcan – 4.6
Killer – 4.3
BMF – 3
RShack – 2.4

[JCMElway]

1. Duke's Dream Team (DDT)

Head Coach: Marv Levy

WR: Steve Largent, Mark Clayton, John Taylor
TE: Mike Ditka, Jay Novacek
RT: George Kunz, Ralph Neely
RG: Larry Allen
C: Jim Otto
LG: Ruben Brown, Dennis Harrah
LT: Chris Hinton, Al Blozis
WR: James Lofton, Gary Clark
QB: John Elway, Jim Kelly
RB: Eric Dickerson, Roger Craig, Mel Gray
FB: Howard Griffith, Alan Ameche

RDE: Chris Doleman
RDT: Alan Page, La'Roi Glover
LDT: Dan Hampton
LDE: Leslie O'Neal
WLB: Greg Lloyd, Bill Bergey
MLB: Willie Lanier, Sam Mills
SLB: Ricky Jackson
CB: Lester Hayes
FS: Larry Wilson
SS: Donnie Shell, Tim McDonald
CB: Mel Renfro, Bobby Boyd

K: Garo Yepremian
P: Darren Bennett
KR: Mel Gray
PR: John Taylor

2. BMF Bronco

QB: Tom Brady, Lenny Dawson
RB: Walter Payton, Edgerrin James, Ahman Green
FB: Cory Schlessinger, Otis Anderson
WR: Rod Smith, Terrel Owens, Bryalon Edwards
WR: Dante Lavelli, Keenan McCardell
TE: Ozzie Newsome, Kyle Brady
OT: Dan Dierdorf
OG: Kevin Mawae, Dick Stanfel
C: Jeff Saturday
OG: Howard Mudd
OT: Kyle Turley

DE: Michael Strahan, Erasmus James
DT: Bryant Young, Levon Kirkland
DT: Keith Millard
DE: Lyle Alzado, Alfred Williams, Rulon Jones
OLB: Karl Mecklenburg, Mike Vrabel
MLB: Brian Urlacher, Hardy Nickerson
OLB: Bill Romanowski, Pepper Johnson
CB: Willie Brown
FS: Deron Cherry, Leroy Butler
SS: Adam Archuletta
CB:

P: Sean Landetta
K: Jan Stenerud

Coach: Bill Belichek

3. Phisig

qb- Donovan McNabb, Sonny Jurgenson
rb- Barry Sanders, Corey Dillon
fb- Rocky Blier
wr- Marvin Harrison, Jimmy Smith
wr- Isaac Bruce, Reggie Wayne
te- Jeremy Shockey, Wesley Walls
t- Willie Roaf, Chris Samuels
g- Steve Wisenewski, Kevin Gogan
c- Matt Birk
g- Steve Hutchinson, Nick Mangold
t- Bruce Matthews, D'Brickashaw Ferguson

de- Dwight Freeney
dt- Merlin Olsen
dt- John Randle, Richard Seymour
de- Terrel Suggs, Jason Taylor
olb- Joey Porter, Donnie Edwards
mlb- Jack Lambert, Chris Spielman
olb- Derrick Brooks
cb- Mel Blount, Patrick Surtain
fs- Steve Atwater, Brock Marion
ss- John Lynch
cb- Rod Woodson

k- Adam Vinateri
p- Todd Sauerbrun
kr- Dante Hall

hc- Bill Cowher

4. Eddie Mac --The Fighting Irish

QB Joe Montana, YA Tittle, George Blanda
RB Gale Sayers, Franco Harris, Ricky Watters
FB Bronko Nagurski
WR Lance Alworth, Fred Biletnikoff
WR Raymond Berry, Art Powell
TE Ben Coates, Riley Odoms
OT Walter Jones
OT Lomas Brown, George Connor
OG Tom Mack, Ed Budde
OG Bill Fralic, Ed Budde
OC Frank Gatski, Mick Tingelhoff

DE Lee Roy Selmon, Harvey Martin, Jevon Kearse
DE Richard Dent, Ray Childress
NT Arnie Weinmeister, MD Perry, Ray Childress,
OLB Kevin Greene, Keith Brooking
ILB Bill George, George Connor
ILB Nick Buoniconti, George Connor
OLB Cornelius Bennett, Keith Brooking
CB Deion Sanders, Butch Byrd
CB Frank Minniefield, Dave Grayson
S Willie Wood, Dwight Hicks
S Yale Lary, Dwight Hicks

K George Blanda
P Yale Lary
KR/PR Deion Sanders, Yale Lary

HC Chuck Noll

5. Big Guy -- THE OLD FARTS

QB - Roger Staubach, Bob Griese
RB - OJ Simpson, Jim Taylor, Joe Don Looney
FB - Joe Perry
WR - Paul Warfield, Boyd Dowler
WR - Harold Carmichael, Frank Gifford
TE - John Mackey, Bob Trumpy
T - Bob St Clair, Winston HIll
G -Joe Delamielleure, Max Montoya
C - Jim Ringo, Charlie Ane
G- Jerry Kramer
T - Stan Jones

DE - Bubba Smith, Fred Dryer
DT - Alex Karras, Jim Marshall
DT - Randy White, Dave Butz
DE - Ed Too Tall Jones
WOLB - Brad Van Pelt, Scott Studwell
MLB - Joe Schmidt, Steve Nelson
SOLB - Wayne Walker - Will also be PK, Clay Mathews
CB - Lem Barney
CB - Tom Brookshier, Abe Woodson (also KR)
SS - Dick LeBeau, Jake Scott
FS - Dick Anderson

PR - Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
P – Don Chandler

6. Slap -- The KnockYerDickintheDirts

QB Johnny Unitas
RB Earl Campbell
FB Keith Byars
WR Torry Holt
WR Lenny Moore
TE Shannon Sharpe
RT Russ Washington
RG Ed White
C Olin Kruetz
LG John Hannah
LT Bob Brown
LDE Doug Atkins
LDT Gene Lipscomb
RDT Buck Buchanan
RDE Charles Haley
SLB Jack Ham
MLB Randy Gradishar
WLB Andre Tippett
CB Aeneas Williams
FS Brian Dawkins
SS Dennis Smith
CB Lemar Parrish

Backups:
QB Neil Lomax
RB Curtis Martin, Joe Washington
FB/ST Ron Wolfley
WR Bob Hayes
WR/RS Rick Upchurch
TE Keith Jackson
C/G Ray Donaldson
OT Jim Lachey

NT Fred Smerlas
DE Coy Bacon
LB Matt Blair, Andy Russell, Jeff Siemon
CB/S Cornell Green
CB/RS Raymond Clayborn

K - David Akers
P - Pat McInally

HC Joe Gibbs

7. Clockwork -- The Sacrelegends

QB: Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham
RB: LaDanian Tomlinson, Reggie Bush
FB: Tom Rathman
WR: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald
WR: Art Monk, Ed McCaffrey
TE: Todd Heap, Steve Jordan
OT: Jackie Slater, Tony Jones
OG: Russ Grimm, Jesse Sapolu
C: Mike Webster, Keith Bishop
OG: Nate Newton
OT: Erik Williams

DE: Reggie White, Simon Fletcher
DT: Art Donovan, Bill Maas
DT: John Henderson
DE: Jack Youngblood, Charles Mann

LB: Harry Carson, Peter Boulware
LB: Zach Thomas
LB: Wilber Marshall, Jessie Armstead

CB: Charles Woodson, Samari Rolle
CB: Eric Allen, Nathan Vasher
FS: Darren Woodson, Mark Carrier
SS: Rodney Harrison

K: Jason Elam
P: Reggie Roby

Coach: Bill Walsh

8. Rshackleford -- The Fightin' Daves:

QB: Dan Marino, Troy Aikman
RB: J. Bettis, T. Thomas
FB: M. Strong, C. Heyward
WR: Sterling Sharpe, M. Irvin, H. Ellard
TE: K. Winslow, Brent Jones
OT: J. Ogden, T. Boselli
OG: B. Hamilton, B. Waters
C: J. Hilgenberg, J. Christy
DE: B. Smith, N. Smith, Claude Humphrey
DT: C. Kennedy, G. Warren, Ted Washington
MLB: L. Tatupu, T. Bruschi
OLB: D. Thomas, P. Swilling, S. Joyner
FS: G. Fencik, D. Sharper
SS: Bob Sanders, L. Milloy
CB: C. Bailey, C. McAllister, D. Bly
KR/PR: D. Howard
K: N. Johnson
P: J. Feagles
Coach: M. Shanahan

9. Old Dude's OLD DUDES

QB: Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman
HB: Floyd Little, Whizzer White
FB: Jim Brown, Marion Motely
WR: Don Hutson, Don Maynard, Bobby Mitchell, Mac Speedie
TE: Fred Arbanas, Cal Hubbard
OT: Anthony Munoz, Roosevelt Brown, Lou Groza
OG: Gene Upshaw, Gene Hickerson, Walt Sweeney
C: Jon Morris, Mel Hein

DT: Bob Lilly, Ernie Ladd, Ernie Stautner, Link Lyman
DE: Gino Marchetti, Len Ford, Joe Stydahar
OLB: Chuck Howley, Chris Hanburger, Dave Robinson, Les Richter
MLB: Tommy Nobis, Lee Roy Jordan
FS: Cliff Harris, Red Grange
SS: Emlen Tunnell, Ernie Nevers
CB: Emmit Thomas, Erich Barnes, Jack Butler

PK: Lou Groza, Les Richter
P: Sammy Baugh, Whizzer White
Returns: Mitchell & Little

HC: Paul Brown

10. Killericon -- Anime Nation

Offense:

QB - Bart Starr, Micheal Vick
RB - Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis
FB - Mike Alstott
WR - Tim Brown, Andre Rison
WR - Lynn Swann, Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
WR - Joe Horn
TE - Dave Casper, Alge Crumpler
LT - Gary Zimmerman
LG - Will Shields
C - Tom Nalen, Jeff Hartings
RG - Mike Michalske, Ray Brown
RT - Rayfield Wright

4-3 Defense: Running Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
DT - William Perry, Casey Hampton
DT - Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
MLB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Ray Nischke, Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

3-4 Defense: Passing Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
NT - Casey Hampton, William Perry, Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
WILB - Ray Nischke
SILB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

Special Teams:

KOS - Neil Rackers
K - Neil Rackers
P - Bryan Barker
KR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
PR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail

Staff:

HC - John Madden

11. Ray Finkle's Aces

QB: Brett Favre
RB:Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes
FB: Sam Gash, Daryl Johnston
WR: Tom Fears, Mike Quick
WR: Pete Pihos, Eric Metcalf
TE: Mark Bavaro, Randy McMichael
OT: Orlando Pace
OT: Mike McCormack, Paul Gruber
OG: Jim Parker
OG: Mark Schlereth, John Hicks
C: Dermontti Dawson, George Trafton
DT: Jerome Brown, Rod Coleman
DT: Sam Adams
DE: Eric Swann, Bryce Paup
DE: Andy Robustelli
OLB: Lawrence Taylor
MLB: Junior Seau
OLB: Ken Norton, Dan Morgan
CB: Mike Haynes, Troy Vincent
CB: Dale Carter
SS: Jack Christiansen, Chuck Cecil
FS: Merton Hanks, Pat Tillman

P: Ray Guy
K: Nick Lowery
HC: Parcells

12. Bronco LB 52's B52s

QB: Peyton Manning, Joe Namath, Bobby Layne
RB: Bo Jackson, Paul Hourning, LeRoy Kelly, Charley Trippi
FB: Maxie Baughn, LeRoy Kelly
WR: Jerry Rice, Tommy McDonald
WR: Charley Taylor, Otis Taylor
TE: Todd Christiansen, Billy Joe Dupree
LT: Larry Little, Rich Saul
LG: Ron Mix, Rich Saul
C: Bob Kuechenberg, Kent Hull
RG: Dan Fortmann, Rich Saul
RT: Frank "Bruiser" Kinard, Rich Saul

DE: Elvin Bethea
DT: Mean Joe Greene, Houston Antwine
DT: Larry Brooks, Fred Dean
DE: George Andrie, Ben Davidson
SOLB: Ted Hendricks, Maxie Baughn
MLB: Sam Huff, Maxie Baughn
WOLB: Robert Brazile, Bob Swenson
CB: Herb Adderly, Speedy Duncan
SS: Ed Reed, Carnell Lake
FS: Billy Thompson, Carnell Lake
CB: Albert Lewis, Charley Trippi

KR/PR: Charley Trippi, Tommy McDonald
K: Paul Hourning
P: Rohn Stark
HC: George “Papa Bear” Halas
Def Coord: Bill Arnsparger

13. The Youcandoit Toads

QB - Steve Young, Archie Manning
RB – Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson
FB/HB – John Riggins, William Henderson, Doak Walker
WR - John Stallworth, Anquan Boldin,Anthony Miller
WR - Hines Ward, Javon Walker, Keyshawn Johnson
TE - Tony Gonzalez, LeBron James
T - Art Shell
G - Billy Shaw
C - Clyde "Bulldog" Turner
G - Jimbo Covert
T - Ron Yary
DE - Julius Peppers
DT - Henry Jordan, Bob Baumhower
DT - Tony Siragusa
DE - Trevor Pryce, Willie McGinest
OLB - Dave Wilcox
MLB - Mike Singletary, Jeremiah Trotter
OLB - Jonathan Vilma, Chuck Drazenovich
CB - Ty Law, Darien Gordon
FS - Roy Williams, Mike Brown
SS - Ronnie Lott
CB - Dan Sandifer

P - Brian Moorman
K - Ryan Longwell
R – Darien Gordon
Coach - Vince Lombardi

14. Dipso's Chef and Fade Free

QB- Otto Graham, Terry Bradshaw
RB- Terrell Davis, Steve Van Buren, Herschel Walker
FB- Lorenzo Neal, Larry Centers
WR- Cris Carter, Chad Johnson
WR- Herman Moore, Terrance Mathis
TE- Jackie Smith, Russ Francis
T- Joe Jacoby, Bob Whitfield
G- Randall McDaniel, Conrad Dobler
C- Dwight Stephenson, Bart Oates
G- Guy McIntyre
T- Bruce Armstrong, Leo "The Lion" Nomellini

DE- Rich "Tombstone" Jackson, Michael Sinclair
DT- Roger Brown, Gilbert Brown
DT- Leo "The Lion" Nomellini,
DE- Mark Gastineau
OLB- Mike Curtis
MLB- Ray Lewis, Jesse Tuggle
OLB- Joe Fortunato Isiah Robertson
CB- Jimmy Johnson
CB- Roger Wehrli, DeAngelo Hall
SS- Ken Houston, Sean Taylor
FS- Kenny "Easley like Sunday Morning"

K- Mike Vanderjagt
P- Chris Gardocki

PR- DeAngelo Hall
KR- Herschel Walker

HC - Don Shula

15. Mr. Trout

OFFENSE
QB, Fran Tarkenton, Eli Manning, Tony Canadeo or Nolan Cromwell
RB Tony Dorsett, Steven Jackson, Tony Canadeo
FB, Larry Csonka, Jason Witten
WR, Andre Reed, Steve Smith (KR, PR)
WR, Irving Fryar, Roy Williams
TE, Antonio Gates, Jason Witten
T, Richmond Webb, Tarik Glenn
G, Mike Munchack, Mike Wahle
C, Mark Stepnoski, Randy Cross
G, Alan Faneca, Mike Wahle
T, John Runyan, Tarik Glenn

DEFENSE
DE, Deacon Jones, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
DT, Jamal Williams, Howie Long
DT, Kevin Williams, Chris Hovan
DE, Howie Long, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
OLB, Bobby Bell, Darryl Talley
MLB, Mike Peterson, James Farrior
OLB, Keith Bulluck, Darryl Talley
CB, Darrel Green, Rashean Mathis
CB, Louis Wright, Antoine Winfield
S, Jack Tatum, Nolan Cromwell
S, Troy Polamalu, Nolan Cromwell
K, Gary Anderson
P, Shane Lechler
Coach, Hank Stram

16. JCMElway -- Those Cheap Bastards:

QB: Dan Fouts, Bob Waterford
RB: Emmit Smith, Jim Thorpe, Hugh McElhenny
FB: John Henry Johnson, Cookie Gilchrist
WR: Crazy Legs Hirsch, Drew Pearson, Steve Tasker
WR: Charlie Joiner, Lionel Taylor
TE: Charlie Sanders, Ron Kramer
OT: Forrest Gregg, Mike Kenn, Ron Karamer
OG: George Musso, Bill Willis, Mike Kenn
C: Bob Langer, Chuck Badnarik, Mike Kenn
OG: Lou Creekmur, Bill Willis, Mike Kenn
OT: JimTyrer, Mike Kenn, Jerry Mays

DE: Willie Davis, Jerry Mays, George Webster
DT: Joe Klecko, Rubin Carter, Jerry Mays
DT: Curley Culp, Tom Sestak, Bill Willis
DE: Carl Eller, Bill Willis
SOLB: Chuck Bednarik, George Webster
MLB: Dick Butkus, John Offerdahl
WOLB: Tom Jackson, Bill Willis
CB: Dick Night Train Lane, Bob Waterford, Johnny Robinson
FS: Jim Thorpe, Johnny Robinson, Bill Willis
SS: Joey Browner, George Webster
CB: Everson Walls, Ken Riley
Nickel CB: Ken Riley
Dime CB: Johnny Robinson

K: Morten Anderson
P: Jim Thorpe
KR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McElhenny
PR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McEllhenny
ST: Steve Tasker
Third Down Back: Hugh McElhenny
Coach: Tom Landry

[Rshackleford]

Not that it is a big deal, but DT Ted Washington is missing from my list of players. Hopefully this will sway all of your opinions! That brings me up to 39 picks by my account, so maybe I somehow lost 2 picks along the way. Whatever, no big deal.

[Rocket 7]

15. Old Dude
14. Big Guy
13. Slap
12. JCM
11. Clockwork Orange
10. Arkie
9. Eddie Mac
8. Phisig
7. Bronco LB 52
6. Rshackleford
5. Mr. Trout
4. Ray Finkle
3. BMF
2. Killer
1. Youcan

[JCMElway]

Hey Rshack. Fixed it!

[JCMElway]

New standings with 9 owners voting:

Slap – 12.5
Old Dude – 12.5
JCMElway – 12.1
Clockwork – 11.6
Big Guy – 10.4
Phisig – 9.7
Arkie – 9.7
Eddie Mac – 9.4
Dipso – 7.8
Mr. Trout – 6.4
Bronc LB – 6.4
R Finkle – 5.4
Youcan – 4.1
Killer – 4
BMF – 3
RShack – 2.9

[Rocket 7]

New standings with 9 owners voting:

Slap – 12.5
Old Dude – 12.5
JCMElway – 12.1
Clockwork – 11.6
Big Guy – 10.4
Phisig – 9.7
Arkie – 9.7
Eddie Mac – 9.4
Dipso – 7.8
Mr. Trout – 6.4
Bronc LB – 6.4
R Finkle – 5.4
Youcan – 4.1
Killer – 4
BMF – 3
RShack – 2.9
Who hasn't voted yet?

[JCMElway]

The 7 owners that have not voted yet are:

Eddie Mac, Big Guy, Arkie, Bronc LB 52, BMF Bronco, Mr. Trout, and Phisig150

[youcandoit1687]

http://www.whatifsports.com/nfl-l/default.asp

sort of like our all time draft...

anybody gonna do it?

(and what is up with them having ashley lelie on the front page haha)

[JCMElway]

Bump

New standings with 9 owners voting:

Slap – 12.5
Old Dude – 12.5
JCMElway – 12.1
Clockwork – 11.6
Big Guy – 10.4
Phisig – 9.7
Arkie – 9.7
Eddie Mac – 9.4
Dipso – 7.8
Mr. Trout – 6.4
Bronc LB – 6.4
R Finkle – 5.4
Youcan – 4.1
Killer – 4
BMF – 3
RShack – 2.9

[Arkie]

1. Old Dude 15
2. Slap 14
3. Eddie Mac 13
4. Clockwork 12
5. JCMElway 11
6. Phisig 10
7. Big Guy 9
8. R Finkle 8
9. Killer 7
10. Dipso 6
11. Mr. Trout 5
12. RShack 4
13. Bronc LB 3
14. Youcan 2
15. BMF 1

[JCMElway]

New standings with 10 owners voting: Old Dude takes the lead!!!!!

Old Dude – 12.8
Slap – 12.7
JCMElway – 12
Clockwork – 11.7
Big Guy – 10.3
Eddie Mac – 9.8
Phisig – 9.7
Arkie – 9.7
Dipso – 7.6
Mr. Trout – 6.3
Bronc LB – 6.1
R Finkle – 5.7
Killer – 4.3
Youcan – 3.9
RShack – 3
BMF – 2.8

[Rocket 7]

Eddie Mac, Big Guy, Bronc LB 52, BMF Bronco, Mr. Trout, and Phisig150. C'mon guys. Lets have those votes.

[eddie mac]

1. Old Dude 15
2. Slap 14
3. JCMElway 13
4. Clockwork 12
5. Arkie 11
6. Phisig 10
7. Big Guy 9
8. R Finkle 8
9. Killer 7
10. Dipso 6
11. Mr. Trout 5
12. You Can Do 4
13. Bronc LB 3
14. RShack 2
15. BMF 1

[JCMElway]

New standings with 11 players voting:

Old Dude – 13
Slap – 12.8
JCMElway – 12.1
Clockwork – 11.7
Big Guy – 10.2
Eddie Mac – 9.8
Arkie – 9.8
Phisig – 9.7
Dipso – 7.4
Mr. Trout – 6.1
R Finkle – 5.9
Bronc LB – 5.8
Killer – 4.8
Youcan – 3.9
RShack – 2.9
BMF – 2.6

[JCMElway]

Bump

[Old Dude]

With the 56th pick, Old Dude selects

Sammy Baugh, QB, P, DB, Redskins

http://www.profootballhof.com/assets/hof/mug1172.jpg


Led Washington to NFL titles in 1937 (his rookie year) and '42. (Made championship game 3 additional years, including a 14-15 loss to the Rams in which he played with separated ribs.) Led NFL in passing 6 times, Led in punting 4 times, and, in 1943, as a DB, he led the league in INTs. In 1943, he led in all 3 categories. This is the only time a single player has led the league in an offensive, defensive and special teams category. His punting average of 51.4 yards (in 1940), his career average of 45.1 yards per punt, and his passing completion percentage mark (70.3 in 1945) are still records. The passing percentage record is particularly impressive since he was never a “dink and dunk” guy. For example, on Halloween in 1948, Baugh set a new NFL record with 446 yards passing against the Boston Yanks at Griffith Stadium in Washington. Incredibly, he did it throwing only 24 passes, for an average of 18.6 yards per pass. (And, by comparison, Joe Montana’s highest single-season completion rate was 70.2 percent.)

Baugh’s career marks show 1695 completions on 2995 attempts. He threw for 21,886 yards and 187 touchdowns. He rushed for 9 touchdowns. These stats are also very impressive when you consider the rules of the day, the shorter schedules, and that fact that Baugh did not switch to a being a conventional T-formation QB until 1944. Up to that time, he was employed as a single wing tailback. It should also be noted that the NFL, at the time, had no specific regulation about footballs. Cleveland, in particular, used to over-inflate the pigskin when they played Baugh, just to make it more difficult to throw. (I can’t think of a bigger testament to a player’s greatness than when his opponents had to cheat on the equipment, just to slow him down.)

Baugh lasted 16 seasons, which was quite a feat, since back in the 40’s, there was no such penalty as “roughing the quarterback.”

Performances of note: On “Sammy Baugh Day” in 1947, he passed for 355 yards and 6 touchdowns against the Chicago Cardinals, that season’s eventual champions. This was not the first time he’d thrown 6 TDs in a single game. He also did it on Halloween, 1943. (Apparently, he liked that holiday.)

Side note: After college, he joined the St. Louis Cardinals as a third baseman, and only switched to football after being sent to the minors.

Famous quote: After a coach exhorted him at practice to try to throw the ball directly at his receiver’s eye, Baugh asked, “Which one?”

At 91, Baugh is the last living charter member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Additionally he has been honored by the Redskins with the retirement of #33, the only jersey they have ever retired..

Additional Honors:
· 50th Anniversary Team by the NFL (1969)
· 75th Anniversary Team by the NFL (1994)
· 36th greatest athlete of the 20th century by Burt Randolph Sugar (1995)
· 64th greatest athlete of the 20th century by ESPN (1999)
· 43rd greatest athlete of the 20th century by the Associated Press (1999)
· 3rd greatest NFL player of the 20th century by the Associated Press (1999)
· 11th greatest NFL player of the 20th century by The Sporting News (1999)
· Scripps-Howard all-time college football team (1999)
· 4th greatest college football player by Sport Magazine (1999)
· 3rd greatest college football player by College Football News (2003)

TheDave is on TheClock...

Bump.

RIP Sammy.