Anyone interested in doing an all - time draft

[Old Dude]

Ray Finkle is on the clock until 4:30 a.m.

Bronco LB 52 is on deck, and may also make one pick at any time.

[Ray Finkle]

I will take Pat Tillman....

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Old Dude - I had Speedie sitting there for my next pick. Nice write up. Here is all I had:

Mac Speedie teamed with Hall of Fame receiver Dante Lavelli to provide the Browns with the most feared pass-catching tandem of the 1940s and '50s. Speedie joined the Browns as a defensive end but was soon converted to offensive end. He led the All America Football Conference in receiving three times (1947-49) and led the Browns in receptions five times (1947-50, '52). Including his statistics from his four seasons in the AAFC, Speedie accumulated 349 receptions for 5,602 yards and 33 touchdowns in seven seasons with the Browns. In a game in 1948, Speedie took a screen pass from Otto Graham and raced 99 yards for a touchdown. He played in the championship game every season with the Browns, helping the team claim AAFC championships in 1946-49 and the NFL title in 1950.

[youcandoit1687]

Toad/Youcandoit
QB - Steve Young, Archie Manning
RB – Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson
FB/HB – John Riggins, William Henderson, Doak Walker
WR - John Stallworth,Anthony Miller
WR - Hines Ward, Keyshawn Johnson
TE - Tony Gonzales
T - Art Shell
G - Billy Shaw
C - Clyde "Bulldog" Turner
G - Jimbo Covert
T - Ron Yary
DE - Julius Peppers
DT - Henry Jordan, Bob Baumhower
DT - Tony Siragusa
DE - Trevor Pryce, Willie McGinest
OLB - Dave Wilcox
MLB - Mike Singletary
OLB - Jonathan Vilma, Chuck Drazenovich
CB - Ty Law
FS - Roy Williams, Mike Brown
SS - Ronnie Lott
CB - Dan Sandifer

P - Brian Moorman
K - Ryan Longwell

Coach - Vince Lombardi

[Old Dude]

Okay, Bronco LB 52 is on the clock with two picks until 5:00 a.m. Sunday.

I've got a few things to tend to tonight, so I prolly won't be around until tomorrow. But let's see if we can try to keep things plugging along for awhile.

[phisig150]

QB
Donovan McNabb
Sunny Jurgenson

RB
Barry Sanders
Eddie George

WR
Marvin Harison
Isaac Bruce
Jimmy Smith
Donte Hall

TE
Jeremy Shockey
Wesley Walls

OT
Willie Roaf
Bruce Matthews
Chris Samuels

OG
Steve Wisenewski
Steve Hutchinson
Kevin Gogan

C
Matt Birk
Nick Mangold

CB
Rod Woodson
Mel Blount
Patrick Surtain

S
John Lynch
Steve Atwater

MLB
Jack Lambert
Chris Spielman

OLB
Derrick Brooks
Joey Porter
Donnie Edwards

DE
Dwight Freeney
Terrell Suggs
Jason Taylor

DT
Merlin Olsen
John Randle
Richard Seymour

K
Adam Vinateri

P
Todd Sauerbrun

KR
Donte Hall
Rod Woodson

PR
Donte Hall

HC
Bill Cowher

OWNER/GM
Jerry Tomeo aka Phisig150

CHEERLEADERS
Pussycat Dolls/Laker Girls Allstars

[Killericon]

Phisig...You misspelt Dante Hall.....just thought I'd mention.

[Clockwork Orange]

Phisig...You misspelt Dante Hall.....just thought I'd mention.

Yes, it's actually spelled Dainty Hall. ;D

[Killericon]

Yes, it's actually spelled Dainty Hall. ;D

LOL

[Old Dude]

Bronco LB 52 is on the clock with two picks until 5:00 a.m. Sunday.

Youcandoit and Dipso are on deck.

[youcandoit1687]

With my pick ill take: Darrien Gordon, CB/R Broncos & others

In 1997, Gordon joined the Denver Broncos and had another superb season, recording 4 interceptions for 64 return yards and a touchdown, while recovering 4 fumbles. He also had a great year as a punt returner, gaining a career high 543 yards and scoring a league leading 3 touchdowns. His team finished the season with an 12-4 record and made it to Super Bowl XXXII, where Gordon won his first championship ring. In the following season, the Broncos recorded a 14-2 record and made it back to the Super Bowl again. Gordon's performance in Super Bowl XXXIII was a key factor in Denver's 34-19 win over the Atlanta Falcons. He intercepted 2 passes from Falcons quarterback Chris Chandler in the end zone during the fourth quarter and returned them for a total of 108 yards, setting up 2 Broncos touchdowns that put the game out of reach. His 108 interception return yards were a Super Bowl record.

In his 9 NFL seasons, Gordon recorded 335 tackles, 5 sacks, 19 interceptions (which he returned for 330 yards), 40 pass deflections, 4 forced fumbles, and 7 fumble recoveries on defense(returning them for 127 yards). On special teams he recovered 10 fumbles, returned 314 punts for 3,601 yards, and gained 70 yards on 5 kickoff returns. At the time of his retirement, his 3,601 punt return yards were the 3rd most in NFL history.

Overall, Gordon gained 4,128 total yards and scored 9 touchdowns(2 interception returns, 1 fumble return, and 6 punt returns).

he'll be my second string CB and will return punts and maybe kicks along with hines or something. yes i know that he never returned kicks but hell learn, he has the skills

[Old Dude]

Time has expired for Bronco LB 52, who is now two picks behind.

Youcandoit, according to his post above, selects Darrien Gordon, CB/R Broncos & others.

Dipso, pursuant to a PM, selects Russ Francis, TE, Patriots.

Mr. Trout is on the clock until 8:15 p.m. CST, and JCMElway is on deck with two picks as we come to the conclusion of Round 37 and begin Round 38.

Bronco LB 52 can make two picks at any time.

[Old Dude]

Updated Alpha List (Late 37th Round)

Adams, Sam
Adderley, Herb
Akers, David
Aikman, Troy
Allen, Eric
Allen, Larry
Allen, Marcus
Alexander, Shaun
Alstott, Mike
Alworth, Lance
Alzado, Lyle
Ameche, Alan
Andersen, Morten
Anderson, Dick
Anderson, Gary
Anderson, Otis
Andrie, George
Ane, Charlie
Antwine, Houston
Arbanas, Fred
Archuleta, Adam
Armstead, Jessie
Armstrong, Bruce
Arnsparger, Bill*
Atkins, Doug
Atwater, Steve

Bacon, Coy
Bailey, Champ
Barber, Ronde
Barber, Tiki
Barnes, Erich
Barney, Lem
Baugh, Sammy
Baughan, Maxie
Baumhower, Bob
Bavaro, Mark
Bednarik, Chuck
Belichick, Bill*
Bell, Bobby
Bennett, Cornelius
Bennett, Darren
Bergey, Bill
Berry, Raymond
Bethea, Elvin
Bettis, Jerome
Biletnikoff, Fred
Birk, Matt
Blair, Matt
Blanda, George
Blount, Mel
Blozis, Al
Bradshaw, Terry
Brookshier, Tom
Boselli, Tony
Boulware, Peter
Brady, Tom
Brazile, Robert
Brooking, Keith
Brooks, Derrick
Brooks, Larry
Brown, Bob "Boomer"
Brown, Gilbert
Brown, Jerome
Brown, Jim
Brown, Lomas
Brown, Mike
Brown, Paul*
Brown, Ray
Brown, Roger
Brown, Roosevelt
Brown, Ruben
Brown, Tim
Brown, Willie
Browner, Joey
Bruce, Isaac
Bruschi, Tedy
Buchanan, Buck
Budde, Ed
Bulluck, Keith
Buoniconti, Nick
Bush, Reggie
Butkus, Dick
Butler, Jack
Butler, LeRoy
Butz, Dave
Byers, Keith

Canadeo, Tony
Campbell, Earl
Carmichael, Harold
Carson, Harry
Carter, Cris
Carter, Dale
Carter, Rubin
Casper, Dave
Centers, Larry
Chandler, Don
Cherry, Deron
Childress, Ray
Christiansen, Jack
Christiansen, Todd
Christy, Jeff
Clark, Gary
Clayton, Mark
Clements, Nate
Coates, Ben
Coleman, Rod
Connor, George
Covert, James "Jumbo"
Cowher, Bill*
Craig, Roger
Creekmur, Lou
Cromwell, Nolan
Csonka, Larry
Culp. Curley
Cunningham, Randall
Curtis, Mike

Davidson, Ben
Davis, Terrell
Davis, Willie
Dawkins, Brian
Dawson, Dermontti
Dawson, Len
Dean, Fred
Delamielleure, Joe
Dent, Richard
Dickerson, Eric
Dierdorf, Dan
Ditka, Mike
Dixon, Hanford
Dobler, Conrad
Doleman, Chris
Donaldson, Ray
Donovan, Art
Dorsett, Tony
Dowler, Boyd
Drazenovich, Chuck
Dryer, Fred
Duncan, Speedy

Easley, Kenny
Edwards, Donnie
Elam, Jason
Ellard, Henry
Eller, Carl
Elway, John

Faneca, Alan
Faulk, Marshall
Favre, Brett
Fears, Tom
Fencik, Gary
Fitzgerald, Larry
Fletcher, Simon
Ford, Len
Fortunato, Joe
Fouts, Dan
Fralic, Bill
Francis, Russ
Freeney, Dwight
Fryar, Irving

Gash, Sam
Gastineau, Mark
Gates, Antonio
Gatski, Frank
Gbaja-Biamila, Kabeer
George, Bill
George, Eddie
Gibbs, Joe*
Gifford, Frank
Glover, La'Roi
Gogan, Kevin
Gonsoulin, William "Goose"
Gonzalez, Tony
Gordon, Darrien
Gradishar, Randy
Graham, Otto
Grange, Red
Gray, Mel
Grayson, David
Green, Ahman
Green, Cornell
Green, Darrell
Greene, "Mean" Joe
Greene, Kevin
Greenwood, L.C.
Gregg, Forrest
Griese, Bob
Griffith, Howard
Grimm, Russ
Groza, Lou
Gruber, Paul
Guy, Ray

Halas, George "Papa Bear"*
Haley, Charles
Hall, Dante
Hall, DeAngelo
Ham, Jack
Hamilton, Ben
Hampton, Casey
Hampton, Dan
Hanburger, Chris
Hanks, Merton
Hannah, John
Harrah, Dennis
Harris, Cliff
Harris, Franco
Harrison, Marvin
Harrison, Rodney
Hartings, Jeff
Hayes, Bob "Bullet"
Hayes, Lester
Haynes, Mike
Heap, Todd
Hein, Mel
Henderson, John
Henderson, William
Hendricks, Ted
Heyward, Craig "Ironhead"
Hickerson, Gene
Hicks, Dwight
Hicks, John
Hilgenberg, Jay
Hill, Winston
Hinton, Chris
Hirsch, Elroy "Crazy Legs"
Holmes, Priest
Holt, Tory
Horn, Joe
Hornung, Paul
Houston, Ken
Howard, Desmond
Howley, Chuck
Huff, Sam
Hull, Kent
Humphrey, Claude
Hutchinson, Steve
Hutson, Don

Irvin, Michael
Ismail, Raghib "Rocket"

Jackson, Bo
Jackson, Keith
Jackson, Rich “Tombstone”
Jackson, Ricky
Jackson, Steven
Jackson, Tom
Jacoby, Joe
James, Edgerrin
James, Erasmus
Johnson, Billy "White Shoes"
Johnson, Chad
Johnson, Jimmy
Johnson, John Henry
Johnson, Keyshawn
Johnson, Larry "Diaper Boy"
Johnson, Norm
Johnson, Pepper
Johnston, Daryl "Moose"
Joiner, Charlie
Jones, Brent
Jones, Deacon
Jones, Ed "Too Tall"
Jones, Stan
Jones, Tony
Jones, Walter
Jordan, Henry
Jordan, Lee Roy
Jurgenson, Sonny

Karras, Alex
Kearse, Jevon
Kelly, Jim
Kelly, Leroy
Kennedy, Cortez
Kinard, Frank "Bruiser"
Kirkland, Levon
Klecko, Joe
Kramer, Jerry
Krause, Paul
Kruetz, Owen
Kuechenberg, Bob
Kunz, George

Ladd, Ernie
Lake, Carnell
Layne, Bobby
Lambert, Jack
Landetta, Sean
Landry, Tom*
Lane, Dick "Night Train"
Langer, Jim
Lanier, Willie
Largent, Steve
Lary, Yale
Lavelli, Dante
Law, Ty
LeBeau, Dick
Lechler, Shane
Lewis, Albert
Lewis, Ray
Lilly, Bob
Lipscomb, Gene "Big Daddy"
Little, Floyd
Little, Larry
Lloyd, Greg
Lofton, James
Lomax, Neil
Lombardi, Vince*
Long, Howie
Longwell, Ryan
Lott, Ronnie
Lowry, Nick
Luckman, Sid
Lyman, William Roy "Link"
Lynch, Jim
Lynch, John

Maas, Bill
Mack, Tom
Mackey, John
Madden, John*
Madison, Sam
Mangold, Nick
Mann, Charles
Manning, Archie
Manning, Eli
Manning, Peyton
Marchetti, Gino
Marino, Dan
Marshall, Jim
Marshall, Wilber
Martin, Curtis
Mathis, Rashean
Matthews, Bruce
Mawae, Kevin
Maynard, Don
McCaffrey, Ed
McCalister, Chris
McCardell, Keenan
McCormack, Mike
McDaniel, Randall
McDonald, Tim
McDonald, Tommy
McElhenny, Hugh
McGinest, Willie
McInally, Pat
McIntyre, Guy
McNabb, Donovan
Mecklenburg, Karl
Merriman, Shawn
Metcalf, Eric
Michalske, Mike
Millard, Keith
Miller, Anthony
Milloy, Lawyer
Mills, Sam
Minnifield, Frank
Mitchell, Bobby
Mitchell, Brian
Mix, Ron
Monk, Art
Montana, Joe
Montoya, Max
Moon, Warren
Moore, Herman
Moore, Lenny
Moorman, Brian
Morgan, Dan
Moss, Randy
Motely, Marion
Mudd, Howard
Munchak, Mike
Munoz, Anthony
Musso, George

Nagurski, Bronko
Nalen, Tom
Namath, Joe
Neal, Lorenzo
Newsome, Ozzie
Newton, Nate
Nickerson, Hardy
Nischke, Ray
Nobis, Tommy
Noll, Chuck*
Nomellini, Leo
Norton, Ken
Novacek, Jay

O'Neal, Leslie
Oates, Bart
Odoms, Riley
Offerdahl, John
Ogden, Jonathan
Olsen, Merlin
Otto, Jim
Owens, Terrell

Pace, Orlando
Page, Alan
Parcells, Bill*
Parker, Jim
Parrish, Lemar
Paup, Bryce
Payton, Walter
Pearson, Drew
Peppers, Julius
Perry, Joe "Jet"
Perry, Michael Dean
Perry, William
Peterson, Mike
Pihos, Pete
Polamalu, Troy
Porter, Joey
Portis, Clinton
Powell, Art
Pryce, Trevor

Quick, Mike

Randle, John
Rathman, Tom
Reed, Andre
Reed, Ed
Renfro, Mel
Rice, Jerry
Rice Simeon
Richter, Les
Riggins, John
Riley, Ken
Ringo, Jim
Rison, Andre
Roaf, Willie
Robinson, Eugene
Robinson, Johnny
Robustelli, Andy
Roby, Reggie
Rolle, Samari
Romanowski, Bill
Runyon, John
Russell, Andy

Sanders, Barry
Sanders, Bob
Sanders, Charlie
Sanders, Deion
Sanders, Orban "Spec"
Sandifer, Dan
Samuels, Chris
Sapolu, Jesse
Sapp, Warren
Saturday, Jeff
Sauerbrun, Todd
Sayers, Gale
Schlereth, Mark
Schlessinger, Cory
Schmidt, Joe
Scott, Jake
Seau, Junior
Selmon, Lee Roy
Seymour, Richard
Shanahan, Mike*
Sharpe, Shannon
Sharpe, Sterling
Sharper, Darren
Shaw, Billy
Shell, Art
Shell, Donnie
Shields, Will
Shockey, Jeremy
Shula, Don*
Simpson, OJ
Sinclair, Michael
Singletary, Mike
Siragusa, Tony
Slater, Fred "Duke"
Slater, Jackie
Smerlas, Fred
Smith, Bubba
Smith, Bruce
Smith, Dennis
Smith, Emmitt
Smith, Jackie
Smith, Jimmy
Smith, Neil
Smith, Rod
Smith, Steve
Speedie, Mac
Spielman, Chris
St Clair, Bob
Stallworth, John
Stanfel, Dick
Starr, Bart
Staubach, Roger
Stautner, Ernie
Stenrud, Jan
Stephenson, Dwight
Stepnoski, Mark
Strahan, Michael
Stram, Hank*
Strong, Mack
Stroud, Marcus
Studwell, Scott
Suggs, Terrell
Surtain, Patrick
Swann, Eric
Swann, Lynn
Sweeney, Walt
Swilling, Pat

Talley, Darryl
Tarkenton, Fran
Tasker, Steve
Tatum, Jack
Tatupu, Lofa
Taylor, Charley
Taylor, Jason
Taylor, Jim
Taylor, Lawrence
Taylor, Lionel
Taylor, Otis
Taylor, Sean
Thomas, Derrick
Thomas, Emmitt
Thomas, Thurman
Thomas, Zach
Thompson, Billy
Thorpe, Jim
Tillman, Pat
Tingelhoff, Mick
Tippett, Andre
Tomlinson, LaDanian
Trafton, George
Tuggle, Jesse
Tunnell, Emlen
Turley, Kyle
Turner, Clyde "Bulldog”
Tyrer, Jim

Unitas, Johnny
Upchurch, Rick
Upshaw, Gene
Urlacher, Brian

Van Buren, Steve
Van Pelt, Brad
Vanderjagt, Mike
Vasher, Nathan
Vick, Michael
Vilma, Jonathan
Vinatieri, Adam
Vincent, Troy

Wahle, Mike
Walker, Doak
Walker, Hershel
Walker, Wayne
Walls, Everson
Walls, Wesley
Walsh, Bill*
Ward, Hines
Warfield, Paul
Warren, Gerard
Washington, Russ
Waters, Brian
Webb, Richmond
Webster, George
Webster, Mike
Wehrli, Roger
Weinmeister, Arnie
White, Byron
White, Ed
White, Randy
White, Reggie
Wilcox, Dave
Williams, Aeneas
Williams, Alfred
Williams, D.J.
Williams, Erik
Williams, Jamal
Williams, Kevin
Williams, Roy (DB)
Williams, Roy (WR)
Willis, Bill
Wilson, Adrian
Wilson, Al
Wilson, Larry
Winslow, Kellen
Wisenewski, Steve
Witten, Jason
Wolfley, Ron
Wood, Willie
Woodson, Abe
Woodson, Charles
Woodson, Darren
Woodson, Rod
Wright, Louis
Wright, Rayfield

Yary, Ron
Yepremian, Garo
Young, Bryant
Young, Steve
Youngblood, Jack

Zimmerman, Gary


* coaches

[phisig150]

Phisig...You misspelt Dante Hall.....just thought I'd mention.

I'd fix it but he's a Kansass Cite Cheif so who cares?

[JCMElway]

In rounds 37 and 38 Those Cheap Bastards select:

Jerry Mays, DE/DT, Chiefs

and

Dwight Clark, WR, 49ers

More to come on these guys later.

Mr. Trout is back on the clock until 9 AM CST to make two selections.

Bronco LB 52 may make two selections at any time.

[Mr. Trout]

Chris Hovan and James Farrior. sounds good to me. alright.

[bronco_mvp_30]

How can Terrell Davis be left off so many of these lists?

I seriously doubt that Denver will see another TD, aka SUPERMAN!

[Clockwork Orange]

How can Terrell Davis be left off so many of these lists?

I seriously doubt that Denver will see another TD, aka SUPERMAN!

He was selected 19th overall in this draft. No one's overlooking him here.

[Killericon]

He was selected 19th overall in this draft. No one's overlooking him here.

If only I'd been around that early....

[youcandoit1687]

He was selected 19th overall in this draft. No one's overlooking him here.


lol i was just about to crap myself....anyways i take...
4-time Pro Bowler in just 8 years....Jeremiah Trotter, MLB, Eagles & Redskins
http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/2003/photos2005/0304/g_trotter_jeremiah_ht.jpg

http://www.eaglesvictory.com/files/images/TrotterHolmes_0.jpg

Jeremiah Trotter (born January 20, 1977 in Hooks, Texas) is an NFL defensive player. His career began in Hooks High School in Hooks, Texas where he was a three-time all district player and District MVP. He was drafted by the Philadelphia Eagles in the 3rd round of the 1998 NFL Draft. In his first year with the Eagles as a backup, he recorded only 6 tackles. After that year he got a starting job at middle linebacker. In the 1999 season he recorded a total of 174 tackles to lead the team. The next year he recorded 164 tackles and again led the team. After four years with the Eagles he had 361 tackles, 9 sacks, 5 interceptions and 4 forced fumbles.

Trotter was signed by the Washington Redskins in 2002 and played two seasons there. He returned to the Eagles for the 2004 season.

Prior to resigning Trotter, the Eagles run defense was amongst the worst in the NFL. Trotter's presence immedietly improved the defense and he was voted to the Pro Bowl in 2005 and 2006.

Trotter also played for the Philadelphia Benjamins on Extreme Dodgeball, using the nickname "The Axeman." With throws usually at 95 mph, he was considered the most dangerous player in the league, unfortunately, he "showed off too much" and was forced to nurture a shoulder injury.

Jeremiah is now forever in NFL lore for being thrown out of a game before it even started. On September 12, 2005, about 40 minutes before kickoff, Trotter and Atlanta Falcons cornerback Kevin Mathis got into a fight during pregame warmups. After officials reviewed video to see who instigated the fight, both Trotter and Mathis were ejected before kickoff. The game was a rematch of their NFC Championship Game back in January 2005, in which the Eagles defeated the Falcons to get to Super Bowl XXXIX, where they would lose to the New England Patriots. The game, in which the Falcons got payback with a 14-10 victory, was also a Monday Night Football telecast. The fight led to an NFL rules change where non-kickers cannot enter a neutral zone between the 45-yard-lines prior to the game.

In addition to his football career, Trotter has been involved in various business ventures. In 2000, he opened a salon called T&I Unisex Salon, located in Willingboro, New Jersey. In 2003, Trotter opened a car wash business called Trott's Spot Car Wash, located in Cherry Hill, New Jersey.

Toad/Youcandoit
QB - Steve Young, Archie Manning
RB – Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson
FB/HB – John Riggins, William Henderson, Doak Walker
WR - John Stallworth, Anthony Miller
WR - Hines Ward, Keyshawn Johnson
TE - Tony Gonzales
T - Art Shell
G - Billy Shaw
C - Clyde "Bulldog" Turner
G - Jimbo Covert
T - Ron Yary
DE - Julius Peppers
DT - Henry Jordan, Bob Baumhower
DT - Tony Siragusa
DE - Trevor Pryce, Willie McGinest
OLB - Dave Wilcox
MLB - Mike Singletary, Jeremiah Trotter
OLB - Jonathan Vilma, Chuck Drazenovich
CB - Ty Law, Darien Gordon
FS - Roy Williams, Mike Brown
SS - Ronnie Lott
CB - Dan Sandifer

P - Brian Moorman
K - Ryan Longwell
R – Darien Gordon
Coach - Vince Lombardi

[youcandoit1687]

i think that Bronco LB 52 is now on the clock until 5 AM tuesday(denver time)

[Old Dude]

i think that Bronco LB 52 is now on the clock until 5 AM tuesday(denver time)

Yup, with three picks!

Normally, he might be in danger of forfeiting his team, but we are so close to the end that I don't think anyone would be interested in moving in to take it over. So I guess we'll just let it ride unless and until he shows up. If we go all the way to the end and he hasn't shown up by then, then I suppose we can fill it out for him.

But let's just hope he shows up soon.

[youcandoit1687]

Yup, with three picks!

Normally, he might be in danger of forfeiting his team, but we are so close to the end that I don't think anyone would be interested in moving in to take it over. So I guess we'll just let it ride unless and until he shows up. If we go all the way to the end and he hasn't shown up by then, then I suppose we can fill it out for him.

But let's just hope he shows up soon.

ya and how bout after this, if he hasnt drafted, we just skip his picks automatically. were almost done and it would speed it up by 12 hours

[JCMElway]

Youcan, that's a gret idea. He's already missed two, so we can skip over him right now. I PMed him and told him he can make up his selections at any time.

Ray Finkle is on the clock until 10 AM CST.

KillerIcon, OD, and RShack are on deck.

[Ray Finkle]

I will take Randy McMichael TE phins....

[Killericon]

I select John Abraham, DE, Jets/Falcons.

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/23/235175.jpg

I needed a speedy edge rusher to go with Rice on passing downs. A weak pick, maybe, but I needed speed.

I only have 2 picks left, right? Now I can stop holding off taking a kicker and a punter.

Is Jamal Lewis really going to go undrafted?

Offense:

QB - Bart Starr, Micheal Vick
RB - Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis
FB - Mike Alstott
WR - Tim Brown, Andre Rison
WR - Lynn Swann, Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
WR - Joe Horn
TE - Dave Casper
LT - Gary Zimmerman, William Lyman
LG - Will Shields
C - Tom Nalen, Jeff Hartings
RG - Mike Michalske, Ray Brown
RT - Rayfield Wright

4-3 Defense: Running Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
DT - William Perry, Casey Hampton
DT - Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
MLB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Ray Nischke, Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

3-4 Defense: Passing Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
NT - Casey Hampton, William Perry, Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
WILB - Ray Nischke
SILB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

Special Teams:

K -
P -
KR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
PR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail

Staff:

HC - John Madden

[youcandoit1687]

dmn he was next round for me, o well, Old Dude is on the clock until 1 pm rocky time

[Rocket 7]

Bob Whitfield T

[Old Dude]

The Old Dudes select Jon Morris, C, Patriots / Bears, 1964-1978.

http://www.nearmintcards.com/pics/1970+Topps/214.jpg

At 6’4, 247, Morris was a standout at Holy Cross. In 1964, the bidding wars between the AFL and NFL were in full throttle. Pats had targeted a QB by the name of Jack Concannon and traded C Walt Cudzik to the Broncos in order to move up and take him. Then, they drafted Morris in the third round to replace Cudzik. The Pats were not able to sign the QB, who opted for the Bears, but they were able to outbid the Packers, who had drafted Morris in the 2d round.

Morris went on to become the Pats rookie of the year in 64. He appeared in all 6 remaining AFL All Star games, and, when traded to the Bears later on, he made the NFC pro bowl as well. He was named to the AFL Hall of Fame, and voted as the backup Center to Jim Otto on the all-time AFL team.

(Thanks to Pats fan, Crowpointer, for help with this pick)

After 38 Rounds: Jim Brown, Anthony Munoz, Bob Lilly, Sammy Baugh, Don Hutson, Gino Marchetti, Marion Motely, Emlen Tunnell*, Mel Hein, Red Grange, Gene Upshaw, Tommy Nobis, Roosevelt Brown, Cliff Harris, Len Ford, Ernie Stautner, Chuck Howley, Gene Hickerson, Fred Arbanas, Bobby Mitchell, Paul Brown, Les Richter, Lou Groza, Don Maynard, Emmitt Thomas, Floyd Little, Sid Luckman, Ernie Ladd, Chris Hanburger, Lee Roy Jordan, Duke Slater, Charles Mann, Walt Sweeney, Whizzer White, Jack Butler, Erich Barnes, Mac Speedie, Jon Morris.

*acquired in trade for CB Jimmy Johnson.

[Old Dude]

RShackleford, pursuant to a PM, selects P Jeff Feagles.

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[Clockwork Orange]

The Sacrelegends select Mark Carrier, S Bears/Lions/Redskins

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QB: Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham
RB: LaDanian Tomlinson, Reggie Bush
FB: Tom Rathman
WR: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald
WR: Art Monk, Ed McCaffrey
TE: Todd Heap
OT: Jackie Slater, Tony Jones
OG: Russ Grimm, Jesse Sapolu
C: Mike Webster
OG: Nate Newton
OT: Erik Williams

DE: Reggie White, Simon Fletcher
DT: Art Donovan, Bill Maas
DT: John Henderson
DE: Jack Youngblood

LB: Harry Carson, Peter Boulware
LB: Zach Thomas
LB: Wilber Marshall, Jessie Armstead

CB: Charles Woodson, Samari Rolle
CB: Eric Allen, Nathan Vasher
FS: Darren Woodson, Mark Carrier
SS: Rodney Harrison

K: Jason Elam
P: Reggie Roby

Coach: Bill Walsh

[youcandoit1687]

Slap is on the clock until 11:00 PM. Big Guy is on Deck.


Bronco LB 52 can make three picks at any time.
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[Old Dude]

Pursuant to a PM, Slap selects OT Jim Lachey.

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Big Guy is on the clock until midnight.

On deck: Eddie Mac, Phisig, BMF Bronco.


Bronco LB 52 can make three picks at any time.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Old Farts select a real warrior.

57 Steve Nelson LB

Height: 6'2 Weight: 230
Year: 14 Yrs/Pat: 14
Pro Bowl: 1981, 1985, 1986
Acquired: D-2b, 1974 (34th)
School: North Dakota State
Born: Apr 26, 1951 Farmington MN

Personal

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Steve's career as a Patriot is legendary and earned him induction into the Patriots Hall of Fame in 1993. He also had his No. 57 jersey retired, one of only seven Patriots to be given that honor. In addition, Steve was named to the 35th Anniversary team in 1994 and the Team of the Century in 2000.

After his playing days, Steve went into business with teammate Bill Lenkaitis. The two started a restaurant called "Doc & Nellie's" in Stoughton, Mass. Although the restaurant was a popular spot for sports fans in the area, "I learned I didn't want to be in business," says Steve of what he learned from running his own restaurant.

His noteriety as a Patriots always kept Steve busy with opportunities, including coaching the Patriots linebackers in 1990. In 1997 a chance meeting with the President of Curry College turned into his current job as Head Football Coach and Athletic Director of the school.

There he took charge of a football team that had, nicely put, less than a tradition of winning, and turned it into a perennial powerhouse. In the last four years the Curry Colonels have lost only four games.

Steve also stays active with the Patriots, regularly appearing on the Patriots All Access television show, WEEI radio and New England Cable News. He has four daughters ranging in age from 22-29.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

THE OLD FARTS

QB - Roger Staubach, Bob Griese
RB - OJ Simpson, Jim Taylor
FB - Joe Perry
WR - Paul Warfield, Boyd Dowler
WR - Harold Carmichael, Frank Gifford
TE - John Mackey
T - Bob St Clair, Winston HIll
G -Joe Delamielleure, Max Montoya
C - Jim Ringo, Charlie Ane
G- Jerry Kramer
T - Stan Jones

DE - Bubba Smith, Fred Dryer
DT - Alex Karras, Jim Marshall
DT - Randy White, Dave Butz
DE - Ed Too Tall Jones
WOLB - Brad Van Pelt, Scott Studwell
MLB - Joe Schmidt, Steve Nelson
SOLB - Wayne Walker - Will also be PK
CB - Lem Barney
CB - Tom Brookshier, Abe Woodson (also KR)
SS - Dick LeBeau, Jake Scott
FS - Dick Anderson

PR - Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
P – Don Chandler

[youcandoit1687]

Eddie Mac is on the clock until 1 AM.

On deck: Phisig, BMF Bronco,Arkie, Arkie.


Bronco LB 52 can make three picks at any time.

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[Old Dude]

JCM, OD.. hope yall dont mind if i take over some of the duties of this thing. Its summer and i have nothing better to do and yall have done a ton of work on this thing, figured id relieve yall<!-- / message -->

Sounds fine with me. Thanks for the help!

[-Slap-]

Old Farts select a real warrior.

57 Steve Nelson LB

Height: 6'2 Weight: 230
Year: 14 Yrs/Pat: 14
Pro Bowl: 1981, 1985, 1986
Acquired: D-2b, 1974 (34th)
School: North Dakota State
Born: Apr 26, 1951 Farmington MN

Personal

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Steve's career as a Patriot is legendary and earned him induction into the Patriots Hall of Fame in 1993. He also had his No. 57 jersey retired, one of only seven Patriots to be given that honor. In addition, Steve was named to the 35th Anniversary team in 1994 and the Team of the Century in 2000.

After his playing days, Steve went into business with teammate Bill Lenkaitis. The two started a restaurant called "Doc & Nellie's" in Stoughton, Mass. Although the restaurant was a popular spot for sports fans in the area, "I learned I didn't want to be in business," says Steve of what he learned from running his own restaurant.

His noteriety as a Patriots always kept Steve busy with opportunities, including coaching the Patriots linebackers in 1990. In 1997 a chance meeting with the President of Curry College turned into his current job as Head Football Coach and Athletic Director of the school.

There he took charge of a football team that had, nicely put, less than a tradition of winning, and turned it into a perennial powerhouse. In the last four years the Curry Colonels have lost only four games.

Steve also stays active with the Patriots, regularly appearing on the Patriots All Access television show, WEEI radio and New England Cable News. He has four daughters ranging in age from 22-29.

Great pick. Steve Nelson was basically the Patriots version of Randy Gradishar.

[eddie mac]

The Fighting Irish select Ricky Watters RB 1992-2001, 49ers, Eagles and Seahawks

Ricky Watters (born April 7, 1969, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania) is a former American Football running back who played for the San Francisco 49ers, Philadelphia Eagles, and finally the Seattle Seahawks. Watters played college football at the University of Notre Dame.

Despite his sometimes brash personality, Watters had an outstanding football career. He was the first running back to rush for over 1000 yards in a season for 3 separate teams, he finished his NFL career with 10,643 yards rushing and 4248 yards receiving, as well as 91 touchdowns in regular season play.

Watters gained notoriety in Philadelphia for his infamous line "For who? For what?" after his first game as an Eagle on September 3, 1995 against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, when he stopped short on a passing route to avoid contact (the Buccaneers' 21-6 victory in the game was their first in a game played both outdoors and on artificial turf since their 1980 opener and snapped a 27-game losing streak for them in that situation).

On January 29, 1995, Watters scored 3 touchdowns in San Francisco's Super Bowl XXIX 49-26 victory over the San Diego Chargers. He also shares the postseason record for rushing touchdowns in a game, with 5 against the New York Giants in a January 1994 playoff game.

Ricky Watters is the epitome of a running back in a "West Coast Offense", gaining over 1,500 total yards in 7 consecutive seasons. Additionally, Ricky is one of only 5 players in NFL history to average over 100 total yards/per game over a career.

Ricky was selected to 5 consectutive Pro-Bowls 1992-96.

Eddie Mac --The Fighting Irish

QB Joe Montana, George Blanda
RB Gale Sayers, Franco Harris, Ricky Watters
FB Bronko Nagurski
WR Lance Alworth, Fred Biletnikoff
WR Raymond Berry, Art Powell
TE Ben Coates, Riley Odoms
OT Walter Jones
OT Lomas Brown, George Connor
OG Tom Mack, Ed Budde
OG Bill Fralic, Ed Budde
OC Frank Gatski, Mick Tingelhoff

DE Lee Roy Selmon, Jevon Kearse
DE Richard Dent, Ray Childress
NT Arnie Weinmeister, MD Perry, Ray Childress,
OLB Kevin Greene, Keith Brooking
ILB Bill George, George Connor
ILB Nick Buoniconti, George Connor
OLB Cornelius Bennett, Keith Brooking
CB Deion Sanders
CB Frank Minniefield, Dave Grayson
S Willie Wood, Dwight Hicks
S Yale Lary, Dwight Hicks

K George Blanda
P Yale Lary
KR/PR Deion Sanders, Yale Lary

HC Chuck Noll

[Old Dude]

Phisig is on the clock until 7:00 a.m

BMF Bronco and Arkie are on deck.


Bronco LB 52 can make three picks at any time.

[Old Dude]

Updated Alpha List (Late 38th Round)

Abraham, John
Adams, Sam
Adderley, Herb
Akers, David
Aikman, Troy
Allen, Eric
Allen, Larry
Allen, Marcus
Alexander, Shaun
Alstott, Mike
Alworth, Lance
Alzado, Lyle
Ameche, Alan
Andersen, Morten
Anderson, Dick
Anderson, Gary
Anderson, Otis
Andrie, George
Ane, Charlie
Antwine, Houston
Arbanas, Fred
Archuleta, Adam
Armstead, Jessie
Armstrong, Bruce
Arnsparger, Bill*
Atkins, Doug
Atwater, Steve

Bacon, Coy
Bailey, Champ
Barber, Ronde
Barber, Tiki
Barnes, Erich
Barney, Lem
Baugh, Sammy
Baughan, Maxie
Baumhower, Bob
Bavaro, Mark
Bednarik, Chuck
Belichick, Bill*
Bell, Bobby
Bennett, Cornelius
Bennett, Darren
Bergey, Bill
Berry, Raymond
Bethea, Elvin
Bettis, Jerome
Biletnikoff, Fred
Birk, Matt
Blair, Matt
Blanda, George
Blount, Mel
Blozis, Al
Bradshaw, Terry
Brookshier, Tom
Boselli, Tony
Boulware, Peter
Brady, Tom
Brazile, Robert
Brooking, Keith
Brooks, Derrick
Brooks, Larry
Brown, Bob "Boomer"
Brown, Gilbert
Brown, Jerome
Brown, Jim
Brown, Lomas
Brown, Mike
Brown, Paul*
Brown, Ray
Brown, Roger
Brown, Roosevelt
Brown, Ruben
Brown, Tim
Brown, Willie
Browner, Joey
Bruce, Isaac
Bruschi, Tedy
Buchanan, Buck
Budde, Ed
Bulluck, Keith
Buoniconti, Nick
Bush, Reggie
Butkus, Dick
Butler, Jack
Butler, LeRoy
Butz, Dave
Byers, Keith

Canadeo, Tony
Campbell, Earl
Carmichael, Harold
Carrier, Mark
Carson, Harry
Carter, Cris
Carter, Dale
Carter, Rubin
Casper, Dave
Centers, Larry
Chandler, Don
Cherry, Deron
Childress, Ray
Christiansen, Jack
Christiansen, Todd
Christy, Jeff
Clark, Dwight
Clark, Gary
Clayton, Mark
Clements, Nate
Coates, Ben
Coleman, Rod
Connor, George
Covert, James "Jumbo"
Cowher, Bill*
Craig, Roger
Creekmur, Lou
Cromwell, Nolan
Csonka, Larry
Culp. Curley
Cunningham, Randall
Curtis, Mike

Davidson, Ben
Davis, Terrell
Davis, Willie
Dawkins, Brian
Dawson, Dermontti
Dawson, Len
Dean, Fred
Delamielleure, Joe
Dent, Richard
Dickerson, Eric
Dierdorf, Dan
Ditka, Mike
Dixon, Hanford
Dobler, Conrad
Doleman, Chris
Donaldson, Ray
Donovan, Art
Dorsett, Tony
Dowler, Boyd
Drazenovich, Chuck
Dryer, Fred
Duncan, Speedy

Easley, Kenny
Edwards, Donnie
Elam, Jason
Ellard, Henry
Eller, Carl
Elway, John

Faneca, Alan
Farrior, James
Faulk, Marshall
Favre, Brett
Feagles, Jeff
Fears, Tom
Fencik, Gary
Fitzgerald, Larry
Fletcher, Simon
Ford, Len
Fortunato, Joe
Fouts, Dan
Fralic, Bill
Francis, Russ
Freeney, Dwight
Fryar, Irving

Gash, Sam
Gastineau, Mark
Gates, Antonio
Gatski, Frank
Gbaja-Biamila, Kabeer
George, Bill
George, Eddie
Gibbs, Joe*
Gifford, Frank
Glover, La'Roi
Gogan, Kevin
Gonsoulin, William "Goose"
Gonzalez, Tony
Gordon, Darrien
Gradishar, Randy
Graham, Otto
Grange, Red
Gray, Mel
Grayson, David
Green, Ahman
Green, Cornell
Green, Darrell
Greene, "Mean" Joe
Greene, Kevin
Greenwood, L.C.
Gregg, Forrest
Griese, Bob
Griffith, Howard
Grimm, Russ
Groza, Lou
Gruber, Paul
Guy, Ray

Halas, George "Papa Bear"*
Haley, Charles
Hall, Dante
Hall, DeAngelo
Ham, Jack
Hamilton, Ben
Hampton, Casey
Hampton, Dan
Hanburger, Chris
Hanks, Merton
Hannah, John
Harrah, Dennis
Harris, Cliff
Harris, Franco
Harrison, Marvin
Harrison, Rodney
Hartings, Jeff
Hayes, Bob "Bullet"
Hayes, Lester
Haynes, Mike
Heap, Todd
Hein, Mel
Henderson, John
Henderson, William
Hendricks, Ted
Heyward, Craig "Ironhead"
Hickerson, Gene
Hicks, Dwight
Hicks, John
Hilgenberg, Jay
Hill, Winston
Hinton, Chris
Hirsch, Elroy "Crazy Legs"
Holmes, Priest
Holt, Tory
Horn, Joe
Hornung, Paul
Houston, Ken
Hovan, Chris
Howard, Desmond
Howley, Chuck
Huff, Sam
Hull, Kent
Humphrey, Claude
Hutchinson, Steve
Hutson, Don

Irvin, Michael
Ismail, Raghib "Rocket"

Jackson, Bo
Jackson, Keith
Jackson, Rich “Tombstone”
Jackson, Ricky
Jackson, Steven
Jackson, Tom
Jacoby, Joe
James, Edgerrin
James, Erasmus
Johnson, Billy "White Shoes"
Johnson, Chad
Johnson, Jimmy
Johnson, John Henry
Johnson, Keyshawn
Johnson, Larry "Diaper Boy"
Johnson, Norm
Johnson, Pepper
Johnston, Daryl "Moose"
Joiner, Charlie
Jones, Brent
Jones, Deacon
Jones, Ed "Too Tall"
Jones, Stan
Jones, Tony
Jones, Walter
Jordan, Henry
Jordan, Lee Roy
Jurgenson, Sonny

Karras, Alex
Kearse, Jevon
Kelly, Jim
Kelly, Leroy
Kennedy, Cortez
Kinard, Frank "Bruiser"
Kirkland, Levon
Klecko, Joe
Kramer, Jerry
Krause, Paul
Kruetz, Owen
Kuechenberg, Bob
Kunz, George

Lachey, Jim
Ladd, Ernie
Lake, Carnell
Layne, Bobby
Lambert, Jack
Landetta, Sean
Landry, Tom*
Lane, Dick "Night Train"
Langer, Jim
Lanier, Willie
Largent, Steve
Lary, Yale
Lavelli, Dante
Law, Ty
LeBeau, Dick
Lechler, Shane
Lewis, Albert
Lewis, Ray
Lilly, Bob
Lipscomb, Gene "Big Daddy"
Little, Floyd
Little, Larry
Lloyd, Greg
Lofton, James
Lomax, Neil
Lombardi, Vince*
Long, Howie
Longwell, Ryan
Lott, Ronnie
Lowry, Nick
Luckman, Sid
Lyman, William Roy "Link"
Lynch, Jim
Lynch, John

Maas, Bill
Mack, Tom
Mackey, John
Madden, John*
Madison, Sam
Mangold, Nick
Mann, Charles
Manning, Archie
Manning, Eli
Manning, Peyton
Marchetti, Gino
Marino, Dan
Marshall, Jim
Marshall, Wilber
Martin, Curtis
Mathis, Rashean
Matthews, Bruce
Mawae, Kevin
Maynard, Don
Mays, Jerry
McCaffrey, Ed
McCalister, Chris
McCardell, Keenan
McCormack, Mike
McDaniel, Randall
McDonald, Tim
McDonald, Tommy
McElhenny, Hugh
McGinest, Willie
McInally, Pat
McIntyre, Guy
McMichael, Randy
McNabb, Donovan
Mecklenburg, Karl
Merriman, Shawn
Metcalf, Eric
Michalske, Mike
Millard, Keith
Miller, Anthony
Milloy, Lawyer
Mills, Sam
Minnifield, Frank
Mitchell, Bobby
Mitchell, Brian
Mix, Ron
Monk, Art
Montana, Joe
Montoya, Max
Moon, Warren
Moore, Herman
Moore, Lenny
Moorman, Brian
Morgan, Dan
Morris, Jon
Moss, Randy
Motely, Marion
Mudd, Howard
Munchak, Mike
Munoz, Anthony
Musso, George

Nagurski, Bronko
Nalen, Tom
Namath, Joe
Neal, Lorenzo
Nelson, Steve
Newsome, Ozzie
Newton, Nate
Nickerson, Hardy
Nischke, Ray
Nobis, Tommy
Noll, Chuck*
Nomellini, Leo
Norton, Ken
Novacek, Jay

O'Neal, Leslie
Oates, Bart
Odoms, Riley
Offerdahl, John
Ogden, Jonathan
Olsen, Merlin
Otto, Jim
Owens, Terrell

Pace, Orlando
Page, Alan
Parcells, Bill*
Parker, Jim
Parrish, Lemar
Paup, Bryce
Payton, Walter
Pearson, Drew
Peppers, Julius
Perry, Joe "Jet"
Perry, Michael Dean
Perry, William
Peterson, Mike
Pihos, Pete
Polamalu, Troy
Porter, Joey
Portis, Clinton
Powell, Art
Pryce, Trevor

Quick, Mike

Randle, John
Rathman, Tom
Reed, Andre
Reed, Ed
Renfro, Mel
Rice, Jerry
Rice Simeon
Richter, Les
Riggins, John
Riley, Ken
Ringo, Jim
Rison, Andre
Roaf, Willie
Robinson, Eugene
Robinson, Johnny
Robustelli, Andy
Roby, Reggie
Rolle, Samari
Romanowski, Bill
Runyon, John
Russell, Andy

Sanders, Barry
Sanders, Bob
Sanders, Charlie
Sanders, Deion
Sanders, Orban "Spec"
Sandifer, Dan
Samuels, Chris
Sapolu, Jesse
Sapp, Warren
Saturday, Jeff
Sauerbrun, Todd
Sayers, Gale
Schlereth, Mark
Schlessinger, Cory
Schmidt, Joe
Scott, Jake
Seau, Junior
Selmon, Lee Roy
Seymour, Richard
Shanahan, Mike*
Sharpe, Shannon
Sharpe, Sterling
Sharper, Darren
Shaw, Billy
Shell, Art
Shell, Donnie
Shields, Will
Shockey, Jeremy
Shula, Don*
Simpson, OJ
Sinclair, Michael
Singletary, Mike
Siragusa, Tony
Slater, Fred "Duke"
Slater, Jackie
Smerlas, Fred
Smith, Bubba
Smith, Bruce
Smith, Dennis
Smith, Emmitt
Smith, Jackie
Smith, Jimmy
Smith, Neil
Smith, Rod
Smith, Steve
Speedie, Mac
Spielman, Chris
St Clair, Bob
Stallworth, John
Stanfel, Dick
Starr, Bart
Staubach, Roger
Stautner, Ernie
Stenrud, Jan
Stephenson, Dwight
Stepnoski, Mark
Strahan, Michael
Stram, Hank*
Strong, Mack
Stroud, Marcus
Studwell, Scott
Suggs, Terrell
Surtain, Patrick
Swann, Eric
Swann, Lynn
Sweeney, Walt
Swilling, Pat

Talley, Darryl
Tarkenton, Fran
Tasker, Steve
Tatum, Jack
Tatupu, Lofa
Taylor, Charley
Taylor, Jason
Taylor, Jim
Taylor, Lawrence
Taylor, Lionel
Taylor, Otis
Taylor, Sean
Thomas, Derrick
Thomas, Emmitt
Thomas, Thurman
Thomas, Zach
Thompson, Billy
Thorpe, Jim
Tillman, Pat
Tingelhoff, Mick
Tippett, Andre
Tomlinson, LaDanian
Trafton, George
Trotter, Jeremiah
Tuggle, Jesse
Tunnell, Emlen
Turley, Kyle
Turner, Clyde "Bulldog”
Tyrer, Jim

Unitas, Johnny
Upchurch, Rick
Upshaw, Gene
Urlacher, Brian

Van Buren, Steve
Van Pelt, Brad
Vanderjagt, Mike
Vasher, Nathan
Vick, Michael
Vilma, Jonathan
Vinatieri, Adam
Vincent, Troy

Wahle, Mike
Walker, Doak
Walker, Hershel
Walker, Wayne
Walls, Everson
Walls, Wesley
Walsh, Bill*
Ward, Hines
Warfield, Paul
Warren, Gerard
Washington, Russ
Waters, Brian
Watters, Ricky
Webb, Richmond
Webster, George
Webster, Mike
Wehrli, Roger
Weinmeister, Arnie
White, Byron
White, Ed
White, Randy
White, Reggie
Whitfield, Bob
Wilcox, Dave
Williams, Aeneas
Williams, Alfred
Williams, D.J.
Williams, Erik
Williams, Jamal
Williams, Kevin
Williams, Roy (DB)
Williams, Roy (WR)
Willis, Bill
Wilson, Adrian
Wilson, Al
Wilson, Larry
Winslow, Kellen
Wisenewski, Steve
Witten, Jason
Wolfley, Ron
Wood, Willie
Woodson, Abe
Woodson, Charles
Woodson, Darren
Woodson, Rod
Wright, Louis
Wright, Rayfield

Yary, Ron
Yepremian, Garo
Young, Bryant
Young, Steve
Youngblood, Jack

Zimmerman, Gary


* coaches
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Time has expired for Phisig in round 38.

BMF Bronco is on the clock until 7:00 p.m.

Arkie is on deck with two picks, followed by BMF Bronco.

Phisig may make one pick at any time, and Bronco LB 52 may make three picks at any time.

[Old Dude]

Well, this has been a real productive day so far.

[Arkie]

Marv Levy, Head Coach, Bills
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One of the big differences between Marv Levy and Bill Parcells is a single missed FG. Before the Super Bowl between these two, Norwood was kicking balls at the right upright, and seeing them hook left and through. With the 4th quarter kick, Norwood played it just like in warm-ups, only this time the ball did not hook. It kept going straight. That is the difference between Parcells two SB rings and Levy's big zero.

[Arkie]

John Taylor, PR/KR, 49ers, 1987-95
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Led the NFL in punt return yards in 1988.
Set Super Bowl records for longest punt return, most punt return yards, and highest punt return average.
John Taylor might be best remembered for his incredible ability after the catch, but it was his ability to catch the football that allowed him to do the miraculous things he did. His immense hands were measured 11.2 inches in length at the 1986 combine, still a record for any receiver to ever come into the league. He had an uncanny ability to relax on the football field and effortlessly catch the football and run all in one fluid motion, also referred to by some scouts as "running through the ball." He was also a spectacular punt returner, had perhaps the strongest arm on the team, and was a borderline professional caliber bowler, as well as an outstanding baseball and basketball player. Known by most of his teammates as the 49ers' finest athlete during their dynasty, the only thing he didn't have was blinding 4.3 speed. The 6'1" 195-pound wide receiver was graded out as the 2nd highest-rated wide receiver in the nation before he turned in a disappointing 4.67 40-yard-dash time at the combine.

[Arkie]

Duke's Dream Team (DDT)
Head Coach: Marv Levy

WR: Steve Largent, Mark Clayton, John Taylor
TE: Mike Ditka, Jay Novacek
RT: George Kunz
RG: Larry Allen
C: Jim Otto
LG: Ruben Brown, Dennis Harrah
LT: Chris Hinton, Al Blozis
WR: James Lofton, Gary Clark
QB: John Elway, Jim Kelly
RB: Eric Dickerson, Roger Craig, Mel Gray
FB: Howard Griffith, Alan Ameche

RDE: Chris Doleman
RDT: Alan Page, La'Roi Glover
LDT: Dan Hampton
LDE: Leslie O'Neal
WLB: Greg Lloyd, Bill Bergey
MLB: Willie Lanier, Sam Mills
SLB: Ricky Jackson
CB: Lester Hayes
FS: Larry Wilson
SS: Donnie Shell, Tim McDonald
CB: Mel Renfro

K: Garo Yepremian
P: Darren Bennett
KR: Mel Gray
PR: John Taylor

[Old Dude]

Nice picks.

BMF Bronco is on the clock with 2 picks until 8:30 a.m. Phisig is on deck.

Phisig may make one pick at any time.

Bronco LB 52 can make three picks at any time.

[phisig150]

Brock Marion

[Old Dude]

39th Round.

Phisig is now on the clock until 8:30 p.m. Eddie Mac , Big Guy and Slap are on deck.

Bronco LB 52 can make three pics at any time.

BMF Bronco can make two picks at any time.

[Old Dude]

39th Round.

Time has expired for Phisig.

Eddie Mac is now on the clock until 8:30 a.m. Big Guy and Slap are on deck.

Bronco LB 52 can make three pics at any time.

BMF Bronco can make two picks at any time.

Phisig can make one pick at any time.

[-Slap-]

Sure you don't want to go 49 rounds, Old Dude?

;)

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=867&dateline=1144042469

[eddie mac]

The Fighting Irish select another former Bronco albeit for 1 season Butch Byrd CB Buffalo Bills 1964-70, Denver Broncos 1971

George Edward "Butch" Byrd (born September 20, 1941 in Watervliet, New York) of Boston University was one of the best running backs and pass receivers on the Terrier football team of the early '60s. He joined the Buffalo Bills in 1964 and immediately made an impact in the defensive backfield, with seven interceptions. Byrd was also a solid punt returner for his entire career. He is most remembered for a scintillating punt return in the 1965 American Football League Championship game against the San Diego Chargers. Byrd took a John Hadl punt and with fabulous blocking, took it 74 yards for a TD.

Byrd holds the Bills' career records for interceptions (40), interception return yards (666) and interceptions returned for touchdowns (5). He was a five-time American Football League All-Star, and was selected for the second team, All-Time All-AFL. Byrd is a member of the Boston University Hall of Fame.



Eddie Mac --The Fighting Irish

QB Joe Montana, George Blanda
RB Gale Sayers, Franco Harris, Ricky Watters
FB Bronko Nagurski
WR Lance Alworth, Fred Biletnikoff
WR Raymond Berry, Art Powell
TE Ben Coates, Riley Odoms
OT Walter Jones
OT Lomas Brown, George Connor
OG Tom Mack, Ed Budde
OG Bill Fralic, Ed Budde
OC Frank Gatski, Mick Tingelhoff

DE Lee Roy Selmon, Jevon Kearse
DE Richard Dent, Ray Childress
NT Arnie Weinmeister, MD Perry, Ray Childress,
OLB Kevin Greene, Keith Brooking
ILB Bill George, George Connor
ILB Nick Buoniconti, George Connor
OLB Cornelius Bennett, Keith Brooking
CB Deion Sanders, Butch Byrd
CB Frank Minniefield, Dave Grayson
S Willie Wood, Dwight Hicks
S Yale Lary, Dwight Hicks

K George Blanda
P Yale Lary
KR/PR Deion Sanders, Yale Lary

HC Chuck Noll

[phisig150]

Reggie Wayne

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Old Farts need a character on offense to offset Karras on defense and select:

Joe Don Looney (born 1942 in Fort Worth, Texas – September 24, 1988) was a professional football player.

Looney played as a running back for the Texas Longhorns, the TCU Horned Frogs and the Oklahoma Sooners in college, and later a member of the New York Giants, the Baltimore Colts, the Detroit Lions, the Washington Redskins, and the New Orleans Saints over the span of a 6 year career.

Looney reportedly decided to sign on with the Texas Longhorns for no other reason than they were one of the few schools to not offer him a scholarship.

During his first semester at Texas, Joe Don received 4 F's and one D mark. Looney responded by dropping out and enrolling at Texas Christian University. He was eventually kicked out of school there and transferred to Oklahoma. He made All-American with Oklahoma in 1962, leading them to the Conference Championship. In 1963, after entering the year as the favorite to win the Heisman Trophy that year, he failed to deliver--playing in only 3 games that year. Coach Bud Wilkinson kicked him off the team after Looney punched an assistant coach. Wilkinson later said that Looney was "the best football player he had ever seen, but also the craziest sociopath".

Nonetheless, the New York Giants were willing to overlook Looney and his eccentricities, and made him their 1st round selection in the 1964 NFL draft. Joe Don made them regret the decision almost instantly, being a thorn in the team's side from day one. He steadfastly refused to allow his ankles to be taped, telling the trainers "I know more about my body than you". He refused to take part in practices, telling quarterback Y.A. Tittle "I know all the plays. I don't have to practice them". He was with the team just 25 days. He also is quoted as saying "A good back makes his own holes. Anybody can run where the holes are" as his reason for missing training camp and his refusal to learn plays.

The Giants traded him to the Baltimore Colts just before the '64 season. Colts coach Don Shula believed he had found the next Jim Brown. Looney, however, was just as much a thorn in the side of the Colts. The only thing of note Joe Don did while with the Colts was to deliver one of his patented one-liners. Joe Don was also a punter. During a game in which he was operating as such, he took the snap, booted the ball 60 yards straight up into the air, placed his hands on his hips and yelled "How did you like that one, God?" The Colts lost that game by the margin of a field goal the team got following that punt. Joe Don was only given 23 carries that entire season with Baltimore. Coach Shula later said the reason for this was that he was afraid to put Looney on the field behind quarterback Johnny Unitas for fear that Looney would run o ver Unitas and kill him.

The Colts traded Looney to the Detroit Lions following the 1964 season. He put together one good season, racking up 114 carries for 356 yards and 5 touchdowns. Just when it was starting to look as though Looney was about to realize his potential, the maniac side of Joe Don Looney struck again.

Joe Don had tired of being the one to run the plays in for the Lions from the sidelines. He decided enough was enough and told coach Harry Gilmer "If you want a messenger boy, you should call Western Union". Detroit traded him to the Washington Redskins following his outburst.

His tenure in Washington was largely unventful. He had 55 carries for 178 yards. The only highlight of his time with the Redskins came on a play in which he didn't even have the ball. He was pass protecting for quarterback Sonny Jorgenson on a play, and ended up levelling an onrushing pass rusher. But not with a block....with a right hook to the jaw.

In 1968, Looney was called up by the US Army to go to Vietnam. During his stay there, he became involved with drugs. When he returned to the States, he signed on with the New Orleans Saints, claiming his time in Vietnam had given him a new outlook on life, and that he was totally committed to finally living up to his football potential.

He had 3 carries for -3 yards with the Saints that year, and retired after the season.

"I didn't play the game of life too well," he said. "Football, I could play. When I played football, I couldn't play life. Now that I can play life, I can't play football."

He died at the age of 45 on September 24, 1988 in Texas when his motorcycle ran off a rural highway and crashed. There were no skidmarks on the road.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

THE OLD FARTS

QB - Roger Staubach, Bob Griese
RB - OJ Simpson, Jim Taylor, Joe Don Looney
FB - Joe Perry
WR - Paul Warfield, Boyd Dowler
WR - Harold Carmichael, Frank Gifford
TE - John Mackey
T - Bob St Clair, Winston HIll
G -Joe Delamielleure, Max Montoya
C - Jim Ringo, Charlie Ane
G- Jerry Kramer
T - Stan Jones

DE - Bubba Smith, Fred Dryer
DT - Alex Karras, Jim Marshall
DT - Randy White, Dave Butz
DE - Ed Too Tall Jones
WOLB - Brad Van Pelt, Scott Studwell
MLB - Joe Schmidt, Steve Nelson
SOLB - Wayne Walker - Will also be PK
CB - Lem Barney
CB - Tom Brookshier, Abe Woodson (also KR)
SS - Dick LeBeau, Jake Scott
FS - Dick Anderson

PR - Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
P – Don Chandler

[JCMElway]

Hey BG, why the hell did you draft Looney? He sounds like a huge pile of......unrealized talent. It sounds like he only had two decent years in his whole career. Why would you draft such a schizo? I know you wanted character, but at least Karras could play at an all-pro level.

Wasted pick, IMHO.

[JCMElway]

Slap is on the clock until 9:30 AM CST. Clockwork, RShack, and OD are on deck.

Bronco LB 52 can make three pics at any time.

BMF Bronco can make two picks at any time

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Hey BG, why the hell did you draft Looney? He sounds like a huge pile of......unrealized talent. It sounds like he only had two decent years in his whole career. Why would you draft such a schizo? I know you wanted character, but at least Karras could play at an all-pro level.

Wasted pick, IMHO.

Proof of a great talent wasted. Too bad there are so many examples of the same in this generation.

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Raymond Clayborn CB NE, Cle 1977-1991 http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Original_Photo/2005/01/21/1106340535_5576.jpg.

15 years and 208 games on the corner in the NFL. Three Pro Bowls, but his best years came opposite Hall of Famer Mike Haynes, who totally overshadowed him.

Tied an NFL record with three kickoff returns for TDs in his rookie year of 1977.

[Clockwork Orange]

Time for some versatility on the O-line. The Sacrelegends select Keith Bishop, G/C Broncos.

http://www.sigepbaylor.com/profiles/photos/kbishop.jpg

QB: Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham
RB: LaDanian Tomlinson, Reggie Bush
FB: Tom Rathman
WR: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald
WR: Art Monk, Ed McCaffrey
TE: Todd Heap
OT: Jackie Slater, Tony Jones
OG: Russ Grimm, Jesse Sapolu
C: Mike Webster, Keith Bishop
OG: Nate Newton
OT: Erik Williams

DE: Reggie White, Simon Fletcher
DT: Art Donovan, Bill Maas
DT: John Henderson
DE: Jack Youngblood

LB: Harry Carson, Peter Boulware
LB: Zach Thomas
LB: Wilber Marshall, Jessie Armstead

CB: Charles Woodson, Samari Rolle
CB: Eric Allen, Nathan Vasher
FS: Darren Woodson, Mark Carrier
SS: Rodney Harrison

K: Jason Elam
P: Reggie Roby

Coach: Bill Walsh

[-Slap-]

1 Johnny Unitas QB
2 Earl Campbell RB
3 Shannon Sharpe TE
4 John Hannah G
5 Randy Gradishar MLB
6 Jack Ham OLB
7 Doug Atkins DE
8 Lenny Moore WR/RB
9 Torry Holt WR
10 Dennis Smith SS
11 Buck Buchanan DT
12 Brian Dawkins FS
13 Bob "Boomer" Brown OT
14 Aeneas Williams CB
15 Russ Washington OT
16 Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb DT
17 Andre Tippett OLB
18 Olin Kruetz C
19 Lemar Parrish CB
20 Curtis Martin RB
21 Charles Haley DE
22 Rick Upchurch WR/PR
23 Joe Gibbs HC
24 Fred Smerlas NT/DT
25 Keith Jackson TE
26 Bob Hayes WR
27 Keith Byars FB/TE
28 Ed White G
29 Matt Blair OLB
30 Coy Bacon DE
31 Ray Donaldson C/G
32 Neil Lomax QB
33 Pat McInally P/WR
34 David Akers K
35 Cornell Green CB/S
36 Andy Russell OLB
37 Ron Wolfley FB/ST
38 Jim Lachey OT
39 Raymond Clayborn CB

[-Slap-]

The KnockYerDickintheDirts

Earl Campbell

FB Keith Byars
WR Torry Holt
QB Johnny Unitas

TE Shannon Sharpe RT Russ Washington RG Ed White C Olin Kruetz LG John Hannah LT Bob Brown WR Lenny Moore
...........................................

LDE Doug Atkins LDT Gene Lipscomb RDT Buck Buchanan RDE Charles Haley

SLB Jack Ham MLB Randy Gradishar WLB Andre Tippett

CB Aeneas Williams FS Brian Dawkins SS Dennis Smith CB Lemar Parrish



QB Neil Lomax
RB Curtis Martin
FB/ST Ron Wolfley
WR Bob Hayes
WR/RS Rick Upchurch
TE Keith Jackson
C/G Ray Donaldson
OT Jim Lachey

NT Fred Smerlas
DE Coy Bacon
LB Matt Blair
LB Andy Russell
CB/S Cornell Green
CB/RS Raymond Clayborn

K - David Akers
P - Pat McInally

HC Joe Gibbs

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[Old Dude]

RShackleford is on the clock until 10:45 a.m.

Bronco LB 52 can make three pics at any time.

BMF Bronco can make two picks at any time

[Rshackleford]

I select former Eagles OLB Seth Joyner. Very underrated player.

[Old Dude]

My hidden pick: Steve Jordan, 6'3 236, TE, Vikings (1982-1994)

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/minnesota/SjordanMin.JPG

6 consecutive pro bowls from 1986-1991.

[Old Dude]

Killericon is on the clock until 7:00 p.m.

On Deck: Bronco LB 52* and Youcandoit.


Bronco LB 52 can make three pics at any time.

BMF Bronco can make two picks at any time

* Bronco LB 52 has missed three consecutive picks. He can make them up at any time. Until he does, however, we will skip over his clock time so that Youcandoit will go on the clock immediately after Killericon. Bronco LB 52 will continue to accumulate unused picks, though.

[Old Dude]

...

Joe Don Looney ....

If nothing else, that was one of the more entertaining reads in this draft ...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

If nothing else, that was one of the more entertaining reads in this draft ...

I'm bringing in Bobby Turner as a coach to straighten him out ;D

I saw something on TV about him shortly after his death. Lived in a shack in Nowhere, Texas and just cruised on his motorcycle. More than one screw loose in that guy.

[Old Dude]

Maybe when this is all over, we can draft an all-time weirdo team. I can think of a couple Broncos who'd stand a good chance of making it.

[BMF Bronco]

Sorry boys, been slacking Kyle Brady, TE and Mike Vrabel LB/TE

[Killericon]

Killericon selects:

Neil Rackers, K, Arizona, Cincinnati

http://llc.fanball.com/fanball/images/story/6737.jpg

Neil W. Rackers (born August 16, 1976 in Florissant, Missouri) is a placekicker for the Arizona Cardinals. He was selected with the third pick of the sixth round of the 2000 NFL Draft by the Cincinnati Bengals out of the University of Illinois.
He has had over 20 touchbacks in a season twice in his career. His streak of consecutive field goals without a miss ended at 31 on November 27, 2005 when he missed a 43-yard field goal against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
On January 1, 2006 Neil kicked his 40th field goal of the season, breaking the NFL record of 39. After the season, ESPN.com named him the Most Valuable Fantasy Football kicker of 2005.

Offense:

QB - Bart Starr, Micheal Vick
RB - Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis
FB - Mike Alstott
WR - Tim Brown, Andre Rison
WR - Lynn Swann, Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
WR - Joe Horn
TE - Dave Casper
LT - Gary Zimmerman, William Lyman
LG - Will Shields
C - Tom Nalen, Jeff Hartings
RG - Mike Michalske, Ray Brown
RT - Rayfield Wright

4-3 Defense: Running Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
DT - William Perry, Casey Hampton
DT - Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
MLB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Ray Nischke, Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

3-4 Defense: Passing Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
NT - Casey Hampton, William Perry, Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
WILB - Ray Nischke
SILB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

Special Teams:

KOS - Neil Rackers
K - Neil Rackers
P -
KR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
PR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail

Staff:

HC - John Madden<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Maybe when this is all over, we can draft an all-time weirdo team. I can think of a couple Broncos who'd stand a good chance of making it.

Great idea, but lets limit it to true weirdos, not a-holes like SlowMo or Phillips.

[-Slap-]

Great idea, but lets limit it to true weirdos, not a-holes like SlowMo or Phillips.
I think that sounds like fun. l guess we'll have to vote on whether a guy is a weirdo or worse.

It would be hard not to name Tim Rossovich team captian. Biting down on beer mugs and munching on the glass. Eating cigarette butts from a urinal. Chewing on the wing of a dead bird. Running face first into solid objects and knocking himself unconscious. Licking all the grime off the back of a city bus.

[Old Dude]

Youcandoit is on the clock until 11:30 p.m.

Dipso and Mr. Trout are on deck.

Bronco LB 52 can make four picks at any time.

[youcandoit1687]

With my 39th pick, I select:William Fuller, DE Philadelphia Stars, Philadelphia Eagles, Houston Oilers, and San Diego Chargers

As one of the top 20 all-time sack leaders with four Pro-Bowl selections, it’s no wonder the NFL Houston Oilers eagerly signed William Fuller at the dissolution of the United States Football League. A native of Chesapeake, Virginia, Fuller excelled at the collegiate level and enjoyed fifteen years of professional play.

A multi-sport athlete at Indian River High School in Chesapeake, Fuller lettered in both football and track. Following graduation, Fuller attended the University of North Carolina, where he was a two-time All-American and the only unanimous choice on the 1983 All-Atlantic Coast Conference team. He is one of only three defensive linemen to make All-ACC for three consecutive years. He was a finalist for both the much-coveted Lombardi and Outland Trophies. Fuller also holds the UNC record for 57 tackles for a loss and is fifth in UNC history with 20 career sacks. In 2002, he was selected as one of the 50 best all-time players on the Atlantic Coast Conference’s 50th Anniversary Football Team. The University of North Carolina also honored Fuller by inducting him into their sports Hall of Fame.

Fuller was a first-round pick in the 1984 United States Football League (USFL) draft by the Philadelphia Stars, whom he helped lead to two consecutive league championships. When the USFL disbanded, the Houston Oilers signed the defensive lineman. In 1991, Fuller made his first Pro-Bowl appearance while playing for Houston. His next three Pro-Bowl appearances were consecutive appearances in 1994, 1995, and 1996 as a Philadelphia Eagle. Finishing three seasons as the league leader in sacks, Fuller won the NFL’s prestigious Mackey Award three times and was only the second to win the award in both the AFC and NFC. After three years with the Eagles, Fuller finished the last two years of his career with the San Diego Chargers.

Toad/Youcandoit
QB - Steve Young, Archie Manning
RB – Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson
FB/HB – John Riggins, William Henderson, Doak Walker
WR - John Stallworth, Anthony Miller
WR - Hines Ward, Keyshawn Johnson
TE - Tony Gonzalez
T - Art Shell
G - Billy Shaw
C - Clyde "Bulldog" Turner
G - Jimbo Covert
T - Ron Yary
DE - Julius Peppers, William Fuller
DT - Henry Jordan, Bob Baumhower
DT - Tony Siragusa
DE - Trevor Pryce, Willie McGinest
OLB - Dave Wilcox
MLB - Mike Singletary, Jeremiah Trotter
OLB - Jonathan Vilma, Chuck Drazenovich
CB - Ty Law, Darien Gordon
FS - Roy Williams, Mike Brown
SS - Ronnie Lott
CB - Dan Sandifer

P - Brian Moorman
K - Ryan Longwell
R – Darien Gordon
Coach - Vince Lombardi<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[youcandoit1687]

Dipso is on the clock until 6:00 a.m.

Mr. Trout & JCMElway are on deck.

Bronco LB 52 can make four picks at any time.

[JCMElway]

Sorry boys, been slacking Kyle Brady, TE and Mike Vrabel LB/TE

Vrabel is a nice pick. Glad you got in BMF!

[Rocket 7]

Chris Gardocki P

[JCMElway]

Mr. Trout is on the clock until 1:30 PM CST.

JCM, Trout, and Dipso are on deck.

Bronco LB 52 may make 4 selections at any time.

[Mr. Trout]

damn im up again and completely ****ed up.....my team is the shizzy

[JCMElway]

damn im up again and completely ****ed up.....my team is the shizzy

Hmmm, maybe you shouldn't draft while drinking. You may end up with Marinovich or something.

Then again, if you don't like him you drop him and get someone while sober. Go ahead, who you takin'?

[Clockwork Orange]

Well folks, I'm getting out of here for a weeks vacation tomorrow night after attending a wedding & reception all day, so I won't be around when the rest of however many picks I have remaining come up. You guys can either choose for me and assign players to my team or I can just forfeit my picks and run with the squad I've already selected. Either way is allright with me.

See you all in a week. :)

[Rocket 7]

Well folks, I'm getting out of here for a weeks vacation tomorrow night after attending a wedding & reception all day, so I won't be around when the rest of however many picks I have remaining come up. You guys can either choose for me and assign players to my team or I can just forfeit my picks and run with the squad I've already selected. Either way is allright with me.

See you all in a week. :)
Take care Clockwork

[Rocket 7]

damn im up again and completely ****ed up.....my team is the shizzy
I'll trade you Antonio Gates for Russ Francis

[Old Dude]

To be fair to Bronco LB 52, we should probably just fill in CW Orange's last two picks at the end (just like we'll do with B LB 52 if he remains missing) unless CW wants to PM a prioritized list of guys he's interested in to one of us other people to enter for him when his turn comes up.

[Old Dude]

Updated Alpha List (Late 39th Round)

Abraham, John
Adams, Sam
Adderley, Herb
Akers, David
Aikman, Troy
Allen, Eric
Allen, Larry
Allen, Marcus
Alexander, Shaun
Alstott, Mike
Alworth, Lance
Alzado, Lyle
Ameche, Alan
Andersen, Morten
Anderson, Dick
Anderson, Gary
Anderson, Otis
Andrie, George
Ane, Charlie
Antwine, Houston
Arbanas, Fred
Archuleta, Adam
Armstead, Jessie
Armstrong, Bruce
Arnsparger, Bill*
Atkins, Doug
Atwater, Steve

Bacon, Coy
Bailey, Champ
Barber, Ronde
Barber, Tiki
Barnes, Erich
Barney, Lem
Baugh, Sammy
Baughan, Maxie
Baumhower, Bob
Bavaro, Mark
Bednarik, Chuck
Belichick, Bill*
Bell, Bobby
Bennett, Cornelius
Bennett, Darren
Bergey, Bill
Berry, Raymond
Bethea, Elvin
Bettis, Jerome
Biletnikoff, Fred
Birk, Matt
Bishop, Keith
Blair, Matt
Blanda, George
Blount, Mel
Blozis, Al
Bradshaw, Terry
Brookshier, Tom
Boselli, Tony
Boulware, Peter
Brady, Kyle
Brady, Tom
Brazile, Robert
Brooking, Keith
Brooks, Derrick
Brooks, Larry
Brown, Bob "Boomer"
Brown, Gilbert
Brown, Jerome
Brown, Jim
Brown, Lomas
Brown, Mike
Brown, Paul*
Brown, Ray
Brown, Roger
Brown, Roosevelt
Brown, Ruben
Brown, Tim
Brown, Willie
Browner, Joey
Bruce, Isaac
Bruschi, Tedy
Buchanan, Buck
Budde, Ed
Bulluck, Keith
Buoniconti, Nick
Bush, Reggie
Butkus, Dick
Butler, Jack
Butler, LeRoy
Butz, Dave
Byers, Keith
Byrd, Butch

Canadeo, Tony
Campbell, Earl
Carmichael, Harold
Carrier, Mark
Carson, Harry
Carter, Cris
Carter, Dale
Carter, Rubin
Casper, Dave
Centers, Larry
Chandler, Don
Cherry, Deron
Childress, Ray
Christiansen, Jack
Christiansen, Todd
Christy, Jeff
Clark, Dwight
Clark, Gary
Clayborn, Raymond
Clayton, Mark
Clements, Nate
Coates, Ben
Coleman, Rod
Connor, George
Covert, James "Jumbo"
Cowher, Bill*
Craig, Roger
Creekmur, Lou
Cromwell, Nolan
Csonka, Larry
Culp. Curley
Cunningham, Randall
Curtis, Mike

Davidson, Ben
Davis, Terrell
Davis, Willie
Dawkins, Brian
Dawson, Dermontti
Dawson, Len
Dean, Fred
Delamielleure, Joe
Dent, Richard
Dickerson, Eric
Dierdorf, Dan
Ditka, Mike
Dixon, Hanford
Dobler, Conrad
Doleman, Chris
Donaldson, Ray
Donovan, Art
Dorsett, Tony
Dowler, Boyd
Drazenovich, Chuck
Dryer, Fred
Duncan, Speedy

Easley, Kenny
Edwards, Donnie
Elam, Jason
Ellard, Henry
Eller, Carl
Elway, John

Faneca, Alan
Farrior, James
Faulk, Marshall
Favre, Brett
Feagles, Jeff
Fears, Tom
Fencik, Gary
Fitzgerald, Larry
Fletcher, Simon
Ford, Len
Fortunato, Joe
Fouts, Dan
Fralic, Bill
Francis, Russ
Freeney, Dwight
Fryar, Irving
Fuller, William

Gardocki, Chris
Gash, Sam
Gastineau, Mark
Gates, Antonio
Gatski, Frank
Gbaja-Biamila, Kabeer
George, Bill
George, Eddie
Gibbs, Joe*
Gifford, Frank
Glover, La'Roi
Gogan, Kevin
Gonsoulin, William "Goose"
Gonzalez, Tony
Gordon, Darrien
Gradishar, Randy
Graham, Otto
Grange, Red
Gray, Mel
Grayson, David
Green, Ahman
Green, Cornell
Green, Darrell
Greene, "Mean" Joe
Greene, Kevin
Greenwood, L.C.
Gregg, Forrest
Griese, Bob
Griffith, Howard
Grimm, Russ
Groza, Lou
Gruber, Paul
Guy, Ray

Halas, George "Papa Bear"*
Haley, Charles
Hall, Dante
Hall, DeAngelo
Ham, Jack
Hamilton, Ben
Hampton, Casey
Hampton, Dan
Hanburger, Chris
Hanks, Merton
Hannah, John
Harrah, Dennis
Harris, Cliff
Harris, Franco
Harrison, Marvin
Harrison, Rodney
Hartings, Jeff
Hayes, Bob "Bullet"
Hayes, Lester
Haynes, Mike
Heap, Todd
Hein, Mel
Henderson, John
Henderson, William
Hendricks, Ted
Heyward, Craig "Ironhead"
Hickerson, Gene
Hicks, Dwight
Hicks, John
Hilgenberg, Jay
Hill, Winston
Hinton, Chris
Hirsch, Elroy "Crazy Legs"
Holmes, Priest
Holt, Tory
Horn, Joe
Hornung, Paul
Houston, Ken
Hovan, Chris
Howard, Desmond
Howley, Chuck
Huff, Sam
Hull, Kent
Humphrey, Claude
Hutchinson, Steve
Hutson, Don

Irvin, Michael
Ismail, Raghib "Rocket"

Jackson, Bo
Jackson, Keith
Jackson, Rich “Tombstone”
Jackson, Ricky
Jackson, Steven
Jackson, Tom
Jacoby, Joe
James, Edgerrin
James, Erasmus
Johnson, Billy "White Shoes"
Johnson, Chad
Johnson, Jimmy
Johnson, John Henry
Johnson, Keyshawn
Johnson, Larry "Diaper Boy"
Johnson, Norm
Johnson, Pepper
Johnston, Daryl "Moose"
Joiner, Charlie
Jones, Brent
Jones, Deacon
Jones, Ed "Too Tall"
Jones, Stan
Jones, Tony
Jones, Walter
Jordan, Henry
Jordan, Lee Roy
Jordan, Steve
Joyner, Seth
Jurgenson, Sonny

Karras, Alex
Kearse, Jevon
Kelly, Jim
Kelly, Leroy
Kennedy, Cortez
Kinard, Frank "Bruiser"
Kirkland, Levon
Klecko, Joe
Kramer, Jerry
Krause, Paul
Kruetz, Owen
Kuechenberg, Bob
Kunz, George

Lachey, Jim
Ladd, Ernie
Lake, Carnell
Layne, Bobby
Lambert, Jack
Landetta, Sean
Landry, Tom*
Lane, Dick "Night Train"
Langer, Jim
Lanier, Willie
Largent, Steve
Lary, Yale
Lavelli, Dante
Law, Ty
LeBeau, Dick
Lechler, Shane
Levy, Marv*
Lewis, Albert
Lewis, Ray
Lilly, Bob
Lipscomb, Gene "Big Daddy"
Little, Floyd
Little, Larry
Lloyd, Greg
Lofton, James
Lomax, Neil
Lombardi, Vince*
Long, Howie
Longwell, Ryan
Looney, Joe Don
Lott, Ronnie
Lowry, Nick
Luckman, Sid
Lyman, William Roy "Link"
Lynch, Jim
Lynch, John

Maas, Bill
Mack, Tom
Mackey, John
Madden, John*
Madison, Sam
Mangold, Nick
Mann, Charles
Manning, Archie
Manning, Eli
Manning, Peyton
Marchetti, Gino
Marino, Dan
Marion, Brock
Marshall, Jim
Marshall, Wilber
Martin, Curtis
Mathis, Rashean
Matthews, Bruce
Mawae, Kevin
Maynard, Don
Mays, Jerry
McCaffrey, Ed
McCalister, Chris
McCardell, Keenan
McCormack, Mike
McDaniel, Randall
McDonald, Tim
McDonald, Tommy
McElhenny, Hugh
McGinest, Willie
McInally, Pat
McIntyre, Guy
McMichael, Randy
McNabb, Donovan
Mecklenburg, Karl
Merriman, Shawn
Metcalf, Eric
Michalske, Mike
Millard, Keith
Miller, Anthony
Milloy, Lawyer
Mills, Sam
Minnifield, Frank
Mitchell, Bobby
Mitchell, Brian
Mix, Ron
Monk, Art
Montana, Joe
Montoya, Max
Moon, Warren
Moore, Herman
Moore, Lenny
Moorman, Brian
Morgan, Dan
Morris, Jon
Moss, Randy
Motely, Marion
Mudd, Howard
Munchak, Mike
Munoz, Anthony
Musso, George

Nagurski, Bronko
Nalen, Tom
Namath, Joe
Neal, Lorenzo
Nelson, Steve
Newsome, Ozzie
Newton, Nate
Nickerson, Hardy
Nischke, Ray
Nobis, Tommy
Noll, Chuck*
Nomellini, Leo
Norton, Ken
Novacek, Jay

O'Neal, Leslie
Oates, Bart
Odoms, Riley
Offerdahl, John
Ogden, Jonathan
Olsen, Merlin
Otto, Jim
Owens, Terrell

Pace, Orlando
Page, Alan
Parcells, Bill*
Parker, Jim
Parrish, Lemar
Paup, Bryce
Payton, Walter
Pearson, Drew
Peppers, Julius
Perry, Joe "Jet"
Perry, Michael Dean
Perry, William
Peterson, Mike
Pihos, Pete
Polamalu, Troy
Porter, Joey
Portis, Clinton
Powell, Art
Pryce, Trevor

Quick, Mike

Rackers, Neil
Randle, John
Rathman, Tom
Reed, Andre
Reed, Ed
Renfro, Mel
Rice, Jerry
Rice Simeon
Richter, Les
Riggins, John
Riley, Ken
Ringo, Jim
Rison, Andre
Roaf, Willie
Robinson, Eugene
Robinson, Johnny
Robustelli, Andy
Roby, Reggie
Rolle, Samari
Romanowski, Bill
Runyon, John
Russell, Andy

Sanders, Barry
Sanders, Bob
Sanders, Charlie
Sanders, Deion
Sanders, Orban "Spec"
Sandifer, Dan
Samuels, Chris
Sapolu, Jesse
Sapp, Warren
Saturday, Jeff
Sauerbrun, Todd
Sayers, Gale
Schlereth, Mark
Schlessinger, Cory
Schmidt, Joe
Scott, Jake
Seau, Junior
Selmon, Lee Roy
Seymour, Richard
Shanahan, Mike*
Sharpe, Shannon
Sharpe, Sterling
Sharper, Darren
Shaw, Billy
Shell, Art
Shell, Donnie
Shields, Will
Shockey, Jeremy
Shula, Don*
Simpson, OJ
Sinclair, Michael
Singletary, Mike
Siragusa, Tony
Slater, Fred "Duke"
Slater, Jackie
Smerlas, Fred
Smith, Bubba
Smith, Bruce
Smith, Dennis
Smith, Emmitt
Smith, Jackie
Smith, Jimmy
Smith, Neil
Smith, Rod
Smith, Steve
Speedie, Mac
Spielman, Chris
St Clair, Bob
Stallworth, John
Stanfel, Dick
Starr, Bart
Staubach, Roger
Stautner, Ernie
Stenrud, Jan
Stephenson, Dwight
Stepnoski, Mark
Strahan, Michael
Stram, Hank*
Strong, Mack
Stroud, Marcus
Studwell, Scott
Suggs, Terrell
Surtain, Patrick
Swann, Eric
Swann, Lynn
Sweeney, Walt
Swilling, Pat

Talley, Darryl
Tarkenton, Fran
Tasker, Steve
Tatum, Jack
Tatupu, Lofa
Taylor, Charley
Taylor, Jason
Taylor, Jim
Taylor, John
Taylor, Lawrence
Taylor, Lionel
Taylor, Otis
Taylor, Sean
Thomas, Derrick
Thomas, Emmitt
Thomas, Thurman
Thomas, Zach
Thompson, Billy
Thorpe, Jim
Tillman, Pat
Tingelhoff, Mick
Tippett, Andre
Tomlinson, LaDanian
Trafton, George
Trotter, Jeremiah
Tuggle, Jesse
Tunnell, Emlen
Turley, Kyle
Turner, Clyde "Bulldog”
Tyrer, Jim

Unitas, Johnny
Upchurch, Rick
Upshaw, Gene
Urlacher, Brian

Van Buren, Steve
Van Pelt, Brad
Vanderjagt, Mike
Vasher, Nathan
Vick, Michael
Vilma, Jonathan
Vinatieri, Adam
Vincent, Troy
Vrabel, Mike

Wahle, Mike
Walker, Doak
Walker, Hershel
Walker, Wayne
Walls, Everson
Walls, Wesley
Walsh, Bill*
Ward, Hines
Warfield, Paul
Warren, Gerard
Washington, Russ
Waters, Brian
Watters, Ricky
Wayne, Reggie
Webb, Richmond
Webster, George
Webster, Mike
Wehrli, Roger
Weinmeister, Arnie
White, Byron
White, Ed
White, Randy
White, Reggie
Whitfield, Bob
Wilcox, Dave
Williams, Aeneas
Williams, Alfred
Williams, D.J.
Williams, Erik
Williams, Jamal
Williams, Kevin
Williams, Roy (DB)
Williams, Roy (WR)
Willis, Bill
Wilson, Adrian
Wilson, Al
Wilson, Larry
Winslow, Kellen
Wisenewski, Steve
Witten, Jason
Wolfley, Ron
Wood, Willie
Woodson, Abe
Woodson, Charles
Woodson, Darren
Woodson, Rod
Wright, Louis
Wright, Rayfield

Yary, Ron
Yepremian, Garo
Young, Bryant
Young, Steve
Youngblood, Jack

Zimmerman, Gary


* coaches

[Old Dude]

Time has expired in Round 39 for Mr. Trout.

Pursuant to a PM, JCM Elway selects:

Ron Kramer, TE, Packers

and

Cookie Gilchrist, FB, Bills/Broncos

[Old Dude]

Mr. Trout is back on the clock with two picks until 2:00 am.

Bronco LB 52 can make 4 picks at any time.

[Mr. Trout]

I'll trade you Antonio Gates for Russ Francis

nah, I'll stick with Gates I suppose.

[Mr. Trout]

Hmmm, maybe you shouldn't draft while drinking. You may end up with Marinovich or something.

Then again, if you don't like him you drop him and get someone while sober. Go ahead, who you takin'?


I'm thinking. I need to get some drug addicts/wifebeaters/gun slingers to round out the roster.

[Mr. Trout]

I'll take Tarik Glenn, T, Colts and Antoine Winfield, CB, Vikings

[Mr. Trout]

Mr. Trout’s Team Depth Chart

QB, Fran Tarkenton, Eli Manning, Tony Canadeo or Nolan Cromwell
RB Tony Dorsett, Tony Canadeo, Steven Jackson
FB, Larry Csonka, Jason Witten
WR, Andre Reed, Steve Smith (KR, PR)
WR, Irving Fryar, Roy Williams
TE, Antonio Gates, Jason Witten
T, Richmond Webb, Tarik Glenn
G, Mike Munchack, Mike Wahle
C, Mark Stepnoski,
G, Alan Faneca, Mike Wahle
T, John Runyan, Tarik Glenn

DE, Deacon Jones, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
DT, Jamal Williams, Howie Long
DT, Kevin Williams, Chris Hovan
DE, Howie Long, Kabeer Gbaga-Biamila
OLB, Bobby Bell, Darryl Talley
MLB, Mike Peterson, James Farrior
OLB, Keith Bulluck, Darryl Talley
CB, Darrel Green, Rashean Mathis
CB, Louis Wright, Antoine Winfield
S, Jack Tatum, Nolan Cromwell
S, Troy Polamalu, Nolan Cromwell
K, Gary Anderson
P, Shane Lechler
Coach, Hank Stram

[Old Dude]

Dipso is on the clock until 4:00 a.m.

Youcandoit is on deck.


Bronco LB 52 can make 4 picks at any time.

[Rocket 7]

I'm going with a homer pick. From the University of New Mexico Terrance Mathis WR

[Rocket 7]

QB- Otto Graham, Terry Bradshaw
RB- Terrell Davis, Steve Van Buren, Herschel Walker
FB- Lorenzo Neal, Larry Centers
WR- Cris Carter, Chad Johnson
WR- Herman Moore, Terrance Mathis
TE- Jackie Smith, Russ Francis
T- Joe Jacoby, Bob Whitfield
G- Randall McDaniel, Conrad Dobler
C- Dwight Stephenson, Bart Oates
G- Guy McIntyre
T- Bruce Armstrong

DE- Rich "Tombstone" Jackson, Michael Sinclair
DT- Roger Brown, Gilbert Brown
DT- Leo "The Lion" Nomellini,
DE- Mark Gastineau
OLB- Mike Curtis
MLB- Ray Lewis, Jesse Tuggle
OLB- Joe Fortunato
CB- Jimmy Johnson
CB- Roger Wehrli, DeAngelo Hall
SS- Ken Houston, Sean Taylor
FS- Kenny "Easley like Sunday Morning"

K- Mike Vanderjagt
P- Chris Gardocki

PR- DeAngelo Hall
KR- Herschel Walker

HC - Don Shula

[Old Dude]

Youcandoit is on the clock until 6:00 a.m.

We will skip over Bronco LB 52, though he can make 4 picks at any time, plus one additional pick after Youcandoit.

After Youcandoit picks, Ray Finkle is therefore on deck, followed by Killericon.

[Rocket 7]

Youcandoit is on the clock until 6:00 a.m.

We will skip over Bronco LB 52, though he can make 4 picks at any time, plus one additional pick after Youcandoit.

After Youcandoit picks, Ray Finkle is therefore on deck, followed by Killericon.
What round are we in?

[Ray Finkle]

With my pick, I select Matt Hasselbeck QB as a backup...

[JCMElway]

Some info on my recent picks. Jerry Mays DE/DT, Chiefs

In 1961, in the fifth round, the Dallas Texans also drafted Jerry Mays of Southern Methodist University, where he had been a co-captain and an All-Southwest Conference defensive tackle. Mays was drafted by the Vikings, but chose to play in the AFL, near his home. He was a force at end on the Chiefs' vaunted defensive line, after starting his professional career playing defensive tackle.
A six-time AFL All-Star, Jerry Mays was selected to the All-Star team at two different positions: at defensive tackle in 1962 and 1964, and at defensive end in 1965 through 1968.
An emotional, durable competitor wth speed, agility and strong "second effort", Mays played in 126 straight games for the AFL Texans and Chiefs, and once recovered and returned a Jets' fumble 58 yards for a touchdown. He was not only an AFL player but an AFL fan, who empathized with Titans players when their paychecks were late and celebrated with Broncos players when they burned their infamous vertically striped socks. Mays is a member of the American Football League All-Time Team.

Also:

Was a force on the Chiefs vaunted defensive line for 10 years . . . Named to the all-time AFL team by the Pro Football Hall of Fame . . . Was selected to play in the AFL All-Star game six times, following the 1962 and 1964-68 seasons . . . Played in 140 games with the Chiefs after joining the club as a fifth-round pick of the Dallas Texans in the 1961 AFL Draft . . . Was a starter at left defensive end on the Chiefs Super Bowl IV championship team . . . Broke into pro football as an offensive tackle and made the All-AFL team twice at that position before switching to defense . . . Wore number 75 . . . Was a college standout at SMU . . . Born November 24, 1939 in Dallas, Texas, and died on July 17, 1994 in Lake Lewisville, Texas.

So he can play backup offensive tackle at a high level as well. Very nice.

Also:

Jerry Mays was the captain during the Kansas City Chiefs glory years. At 6-foot-4, 250 pounds, he hardly fits today's standard for a NFL linebacker, let alone a defensive end or tackle. Yet, during his sterling career that lasted from 1961-1970, he wrote the book on those demanding positions. Former Chiefs coach Hank Stram once said, "Jerry is the only man I've known who could play every offensive and defensive position in the line".

He was named to the 10-year All AFL selection at defensive tackle tow times and later switched to defensive end, where he was voted to the All-League team four times.

He ruled with desire. He was the heart and soul of a defense that became the stingiest unit in the AFL. He might not manhandle an opponent, but he would use his quick feet and wits to sack an opposing quarterback or tackle a running back for a loss.

"I love football, every part of it," Mays once said. "I enjoyed being exhausted and feeling as if I had paid the price; I loved the glory of winning; I even enjoyed the practices." If any single player could serve as a representative of the American Football League, it would be Mays.

He was what the upstart league was all about. "I loved the AFL," he said. "It was part of me. The merger (with the NFL) made it easier for me to retire. I was AFL from start to finish. It was the little guy against the big guy."

And this little guy never backed down from a challenge and proved to be a winner. Off the field, Mays operated a successful construction business in Dallas, Texas.

May died July 18,1994 at the age of 54 from a five-year battle with cancer. "He was one of a Kind." Stram said after his death. "He was a tremendous leader. To lose him at such a young age is just a tragedy.

[JCMElway]

Dwight Clark, WR, 49ers. All of my WR were speed guys. I wanted one really nice possesion type receiver.

Wide receiver for the San Francisco 49ers NFL team, 1979-1987. Elected to two Pro Bowls; two-time Super Bowl winner. Remembered for "The Catch," a leaping fingertips catch in the waning moments of the 1981 NFC Championship game that gave the 49ers a win over the Dallas Cowboys.

From 1976-78, Clark was a wide receiver for the Clemson University football team. It wasn't a very high-profile job -- Clemson didn't pass the ball very much, and in the mid-70s, their team wasn't very good. (Although, in Clark's senior season, Clemson won their first bowl game in many years when they defeated Ohio State in the Gator Bowl. The game is well known as OSU coach Woody Hayes' last game; the school fired him the next morning after Hayes punched Clemson nose tackle Charlie Bauman during a brawl. But I digress.)

My point is: Clark wasn't no superstar in college. In three years, he caught 33 passes and three touchdowns. Better than I could have done, but not enough to make NFL people notice.

Except Bill Walsh. As quoted in the Sporting News:

"In the process of scouting Steve Fuller, we found Dwight. Even though he caught only 12 passes or something in his college career, he was big, with functional speed and a great attitude. They had to hold me back from drafting him (earlier)."

Walsh was the new head coach of the 49ers, and he inherited a rather bad team that needed rebuilding through the NFL Draft. The 1979 draft would be fruitful for the 49ers -- besides drafting Clark in the 10th round, they also got future Hall-of-Famer Joe Montana in the third round -- and would prove that Walsh's keen eye for talent.

Clark's size was his sine qua non. He was 6'4" and bulky -- the dimensions of a tight end in that era, not a wide receiver. But, as Clark would show in the NFL, his speed was adequate, and he could use his large frame to shield tiny cornerbacks from deflecting passes. Defenses didn't know who to use to cover him -- a linebacker would be too slow; a cornerback too small. Perhaps a safety would have worked, but they're supposed to play in deep coverage; if they moved up to guard a receiver one-on-one, the defense couldn't have responded to the deep-play threat of the 49ers' speedy-and-small receiver, Freddie Solomon.

And, it was Clark's height that allowed him to catch the most famous pass in 49ers history. Down 27-21 to the Cowboys in the 1981 NFC title game, and with a berth in the Super Bowl on the line, the 49ers faced third down near the Dallas goal line with about a minute left. Quarterback Joe Montana rolled to his right, didn't see anyone open, backpedaled, was chased by aptly named Dallas defensive lineman Ed "Too Tall" Jones, lofted a pass into the end zone -- which Clark, reaching as high as he could, caught the ball on his fingertips for the touchdown. The Catch, as it is known, achieved a mythic quality in the Bay Area, not the least because of stunning visual images of the play captured by NFL Films and Sports Illustrated.

Clark won two Super Bowls with the 49ers (XVI and XIX) and was named to the Pro Bowl twice (1982 and 1983).

After retirement in 1987, Clark moved to the 49ers front office. In the mid-90s, when team president Carmen Policy moved to the Cleveland Browns, Clark followed him. His current title with the Browns is Executive Vice President and Director of Football Operations.

[JCMElway]

Ron Kramer, TE, Packers. I already had my pass catching tight end. I needed a TE who could lay the lumber and block for Emmit, Thorpe, Mcelhenny, and Gilchrist.

Twice an All-American end at the University of Michigan, in 1955 and 1956, Kramer also starred as a center on the basketball team and as a high jumper and weight thrower on the track team. He captained the basketball team as a senior and set a school scoring record of 1,124 points, which stood until 1961.
Ron Kramer

During his three years as a starter in football, he caught 53 passes for 880 yards and 9 touchdowns, kicked 43 extra points and 2 field goals, punted 31 times for a 40.6-yard average, and excelled on defense.

The 6-foot-3 Kramer weighed 220 pounds as a college player but beefed up to 240 pounds as a professional tight end with the NFL's Green Bay Packers in 1957. He served in the Air Force in 1958 and returned to the Packers the following year. A strong blocker, Kramer was also a sure-handed receiver who was often used on short routes to pick up first down yardage.

Kramer played for two NFL champions in Green Bay, in 1961 and 1962. He starred in the Packers' 37-0 victory over the New York Giants in the 1961 title game, catching 4 passes for 80 yards and 2 touchdowns. He was named an All-Pro by the Associated Press in 1962.

The Packers traded Kramer to the Detroit Lions in 1965 and he spent three seasons there before retiring. In his 10 NFL seasons, he caught 229 passes for 3,272 yards and 16 touchdowns.

And from Packer's news.com: Ron Kramer, tight end, 1957, 59-64: Arguably the best blocking tight end in Packers’ history.

[JCMElway]

And finally Cookie Gilchrist.

A legendary player in the American Football League, Cookie Gilchrist came from six years of super-stardom in the Canadian Football League, where he played fullback, linebacker, lineman and placekicker, and gained over 4,800 yards rushing. Gilchrist was a CFL All-Star five straight years, with the Hamilton Tiger Cats in 1956 and 1957 , in 1958 with the Saskatchewan Roughriders, and with the Toronto Argonauts in 1959 and 1960. For Buffalo, he ran and kicked, though he insisted he could have played both ways. He was the first American Football League player to rush for 1,000 yards in a season, 1,096 in a 14-game schedule in 1962, earning him league MVP honors. He rushed for 243 yards and scored 5 tds in a single game against the NY Jets in 1963, setting a pro football record. Though he was only with the Bills for three years (1962-1964), he remains the team's fifth leading rusher all-time, and led the league in scoring in each of his three years as a Bill. Gilchrist ran for 122 yards in the Bills' 1964 American Football League championship defeat of San Diego, 20-7. His 4.5 yds/rush average is second as a Bill only to O.J. Simpson. He led a successful boycott of New Orleans as the site of the American Football League All-Star game after the 1964 season, in an early civil rights victory for black athletes.

Gilchrist also played for the Denver Broncos in 1965 and 1967, and the Miami Dolphins in 1966.

Cookie Gilchrist was selected as the fullback of the All-Time All-American Football League Team.

Honors

* First American Football League player to gain over 1,000 yards in a season (14 games, 1,096 yards in 1962)
* Previously held the professional football record for most yards rushing in a game, 243 yards vs. the New York Jets, 1963.

Also:

LOOKIE, LOOKIE, LOOKIE! HERE COMES COOKIE!
CARLTON CHESTER "Cookie" GILCHRIST, FB Buffalo 1962-64; Denver 1965; Miami 1966; Denver 1967
Cookie Gilchrist was one of the colorful characters in the American Football League. At 18, he was going to play football at Michigan State University when Paul Brown signed him to his first pro contract. The idea of getting paid to play football was just too much to overcome for Cookie. That stopped the college idea. To hone his football skills, Cookie went to Canada where he tore up the CFL for eight seasons. And drove his employers crazy at every stop.
He was a sports corporate spokesman before there were sports corporate spokesmen. And Cookie spoke for the corportation called Cookie Gilchrist Enterprises. Cookie sold Christmas trees outside War Memorial Stadium, the old home of the Bills. He sold Cookie Gilchrist earmuffs. He was working on a deal to drill for oil in northern Canada as well as mine copper in Zambia. Wherever there was a buck to made, there was Cookie.
Once Gilchrist took himself out of a game because he had stayed out way too late the night before. That move promptly got him suspended by head coach Lou Saban. But quarterback Jack Kemp came to Cookie's rescue and got him reinstated before the 1964 Championship between the Bills and the defending champion Chargers.
Cookie got traded to the Denver Broncos in 1965 and was late reporting to camp. He hadn't signed a contract and wanted to be traded to Oakland. He was fined and eventually reported (when 28 sportwriters for AFL cities were at the camp). There he held a press conference. Among the topics other than football was the 450 tons of tungsten that Cookie's corporation had just located on the estate of Lord Angusy in South Wales. Then Gilchrist went into his sales pitch to solicit investors. Despite the distraction that he caused, Cookie still turned in an All-AFL performance that season.
Gilchrist later played for Miami before ending his playing career back with the Denver Broncos. And do you know who the new Broncos head coach was that season? His old "buddy" Lou Saban.

If you want to see a weird website, check this out:

http://www.cookiegilchrist.com/About1.html

[youcandoit1687]

OK, im gonna have some fun here and im gonna draft LeBron to play tight end for me. he will learn behind the other BBall player, Tony Gonzalezhttp://www.nba.com/media/cavaliers/lbj_allnba_060517_02.jpg
http://www.fastforwardctc.com/13b/les.jpghell have to get some toughness over the middle but i believe he can be a great TE with some proper training, dont be jealous lol

[youcandoit1687]

Youcandoit is on the clock until 6:00 a.m.

We will skip over Bronco LB 52, though he can make 4 picks at any time, plus one additional pick after Youcandoit.

After Youcandoit picks, Ray Finkle is therefore on deck, followed by Killericon.

is it ray finkle or Killericon? on the clock until 11:00 a.m. my order chart has killericon going before RF. im confused. whoever it is is on the clock till 11:00 AM



We have skipped over Bronco LB 52 and he can now make 5 picks at any time.



Ray Finkle/killericon, Old Dude, and RShackleford are next up.

[Old Dude]

What round are we in?

We are in Round 40.

[Old Dude]

is it ray finkle or Killericon? on the clock until 11:00 a.m. ...
Ray Finkle/killericon, Old Dude, and RShackleford are next up.

Finkle is next and has a hidden pick: Matt Hasselbeck QB.

[Old Dude]

Killericon is on the clock until 8:00 p.m. Old Dude is on deck, followed by RShackleford.

Bronco LB 52 can make 5 picks at any time.

[Old Dude]

Killericon is on the clock until 8:00 p.m. Old Dude is on deck, followed by RShackleford.

Bronco LB 52 can make 5 picks at any time.


Due to the trade between Killericon and JCM Elway back on May 29, JCM Elway will get Killericon's pick in the 41st Round - - which is next round. So this is Killer's last pick in this draft. I'm not sure, but I think Killer still needs a punter.

[JCMElway]

OK, im gonna have some fun here and im gonna draft LeBron to play tight end for me. he will learn behind the other BBall player, Tony Gonzalez he'll have to get some toughness over the middle but i believe he can be a great TE with some proper training, dont be jealous lol

While I don't think LeBron would be a good enough TE to join the all time greats, I certainly won't say you shouldn't have some fun with the draft.

However, let's see what LeBron does when he meets Ditka, Nitcshke, or Huff while coming over the middle....

[JCMElway]

Due to the trade between Killericon and JCM Elway back on May 29, JCM Elway will get Killericon's pick in the 41st Round - - which is next round. So this is Killer's last pick in this draft. I'm not sure, but I think Killer still needs a punter.

Hell, maybe Killer could draft Beckham or Pele to be his punter.

[Old Dude]

I'm afraid someone's going to steal my secret weapon:

http://disney.wretch.cc/mvdata/data/Son_of_Flubber.jpg

[JCMElway]

I'm afraid someone's going to steal my secret weapon:

http://disney.wretch.cc/mvdata/data/Son_of_Flubber.jpg

That's awesome! You could float right over the field AND have a big DT for goal line situations. Genius!!!

[youcandoit1687]

Hell, maybe Killer could draft Beckham or Pele to be his punter.
i think yall are just jealous that i thot of lebron as a TE. the guy will be awesome. ill get him into camp, bulk him up a little. maybe just use him on goal line, he couild jump over everybody else like an alley-oup.

[Killericon]

Sorry to take so long.

Killericon selects, with his final selection, Bryan Barker, P.

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/packer/img/insider/oct04/bark1009.jpg

Veteran punter in 16th NFL season…signed by Rams 10/11/05 after spending 2005 preseason with Rams…played 2004 season with Packers after three seasons with Redskins…played six seasons in Jacksonville (1995-2000) as first punter in Jaguars’ history…voted to 1997 Pro Bowl…began career with Kansas City from 1990-93 before playing one season with Philadelphia in 1994…has 828 straight punts without a block (last block was with Kansas City, Dec. 12, 1993, at Denver by Reggie Rivers).

Offense:

QB - Bart Starr, Micheal Vick
RB - Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis
FB - Mike Alstott
WR - Tim Brown, Andre Rison
WR - Lynn Swann, Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
WR - Joe Horn
TE - Dave Casper
LT - Gary Zimmerman, William Lyman
LG - Will Shields
C - Tom Nalen, Jeff Hartings
RG - Mike Michalske, Ray Brown
RT - Rayfield Wright

4-3 Defense: Running Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
DT - William Perry, Casey Hampton
DT - Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
MLB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Ray Nischke, Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

3-4 Defense: Passing Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
NT - Casey Hampton, William Perry, Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
WILB - Ray Nischke
SILB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

Special Teams:

KOS - Neil Rackers
K - Neil Rackers
P - Bryan Barker
KR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
PR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail

Staff:

HC - John Madden

A complete team writeup is soon to follow.

This thing has beed fantastic guys, let's do a NBA or a NHL one(They'd be much shorter)! Thanks to Old Dude and JCMElway for keeping this thing running smoothly. Really. Fantastic job, you have my most sincere gratitude.

[Ray Finkle]

I am going to post my last pick since I don't think anyone will take him....

I select with my final pick Chuck Cecil S.......I figured Parcell's would always find a spot for someone like him plus it gives any WR something to think about....he may have been called a head hunter but delivered some brutal hits...

[Old Dude]

Adding more depth to the line, my team selects Hall of Famer, Joe Stydahar, 6'4 233 OL,DL Bears (1936-42, 45-46)

http://www.chicagobears.com/images/history/hof-stydahar.jpg
"Helmets? Helmets are for sissies".

"Big Joe" Stydahar was the Bears' No. 1 choice in first-ever NFL draft in 1936. He was a 60-minute performer who bulwarked the Bears offensive and defensive lines in its greatest "Monsters of the Midway" era.

Stydahar played on five divisional and three NFL championship teams. A four time all-pro, he missed two seasons at the peak of his career plus most of 1945 while serving as an officer in the U.S. Navy during WWII. When the war ended, he returned to play in the final three games of 1945 and helped the Bears to another NFL title in 1946. He then entered coaching, first as an assistant, then as head coach of the Los Angeles Rams. Under Stydahar's guidance, the Rams developed one of the most explosive offenses in NFL history, won the Western Division title in 1950 and the world championship in 1951.


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After 40 Rounds: Jim Brown, Anthony Munoz, Bob Lilly, Sammy Baugh, Don Hutson, Gino Marchetti, Marion Motely, Emlen Tunnell*, Mel Hein, Red Grange, Gene Upshaw, Tommy Nobis, Roosevelt Brown, Cliff Harris, Len Ford, Ernie Stautner, Chuck Howley, Gene Hickerson, Fred Arbanas, Bobby Mitchell, Paul Brown, Les Richter, Lou Groza, Don Maynard, Emmitt Thomas, Floyd Little, Sid Luckman, Ernie Ladd, Chris Hanburger, Lee Roy Jordan, Duke Slater, Charles Mann, Walt Sweeney, Whizzer White, Jack Butler, Erich Barnes, Mac Speedie, Jon Morris, Steve Jordan, Joe Stydahar.

*acquired in trade for CB Jimmy Johnson

[Old Dude]

RShackleford is on the clock until 2:15 a.m. Because we are skipping over Clockwork Orange, Slap is on deck, followed by Big Guy.

[Killericon]

I just realised I only have one TE......crap. Can we sign Free agents after the draft? I need another TE...badly. Maybe have another round.....:dunk:

[Old Dude]

Tell you what. When we're done with Round 41, you can trade out any one player you have for any undrafted player. How's that? Or, those that want can participate in additional "free agent rounds." But, personally, I'm done after 41.

[Killericon]

Tell you what. When we're done with Round 41, you can trade out any one player you have for any undrafted player. How's that? Or, those that want can participate in additional "free agent rounds." But, personally, I'm done after 41.

Whatever. I'll just use a 3-reciever base offense, and have Orben be my backup TE.....

[JCMElway]

I thought about a free agent round, but if not everyone participates, it's pointless. Also, not having a free agent round will make each roster stack up against everyone else's. We can have opinions on who has the strongest 41 man roster.

As for shoring your team up, if you want to drop someone and pickup an UDFA, you are more than welcome to do so.

[JCMElway]

i think yall are just jealous that i thot of lebron as a TE. the guy will be awesome. ill get him into camp, bulk him up a little. maybe just use him on goal line, he couild jump over everybody else like an alley-oup.

Sorry pal, I'm not the least bit jealous. I'll take my pass catching/blocking combo of Sanders and R. Kramer over your two any day of the week.

IMHO, this is about finding the best guys all time at their position. This is about how players have produced while playing football. I'd even defend Reggie Bush because at least he tore it up on the gridiron.

If I wanted to go on potential, I'd draft Andre the giant as a nose tackle. Or Achilles at QB. But they never played football, so what's the point? I have nothing to back the pick up.

Now, if you wanted to do some research and see if LeBron played high school football, I'd even buy that. I haven't been watching football as long as some of the drafters here, so I had to dig and do some research to find my blocking TE. Killericon is young as well, but he did some homework and found some great oldtimers. You did too, as a matter of fact. You stole Doak Walker from me. I was going to take him with my next selection, but you nabbed him. It was a great pick. But just to say "wouldn't it be neat, if LeBron was my backup TE" doesn't cut it. To me it seems like a lazy, wasted pick.

[-Slap-]

Why wouldn't LeBron pass up the half a billion dollars he'll make as a basketball icon for the pay second string tight ends garner?

[Rshackleford]

I will take CB Dre Bly. The Rams never should have let him go (Az Hakim neither). He has always had a nose for the ball. My nickelback for sure!

[JCMElway]

Slap is on the clock until 8 AM CST. Big Guy, Eddie Mac, and Phisig are on deck.

[youcandoit1687]

In football, LeBron usually played receiver. He scored 19 touchdowns in six games in his first year of Pee Wee football. His coach was Frankie Walker, a man who would soon have a profound effect on his life. After the season ended, Walker began hearing stories that his young star, now a fourth-grader, was missing school on a regular basis


haha now how about that for some stats. this was in the fourth grade if i read it correctly. also, growing up, the site sed that football and basketball were his favorites.

Before he hit the hardwood, LeBron buckled up his chin strap as a wideout for Saint Vincent-Saint Mary High School football coach Jay Brophy, a former NFL linebacker who spent time with the Miami Dolphins and New York Jets.

LeBron played another year of football at SVSM in the fall of 2000, racking up more than 700 yards receiving. He was named All-Ohio, but the Fighting Irish finished at a disappointing 4-6.

When LeBron returned home, he strapped on the pads for his junior year of football. Gloria was opposed to the idea, afraid he might get injured and jeopardize his hoops career. But LeBron persisted. After sitting out the opener, he hauled in three scoring passes a week later. Despite a steady dose of double-coverage, LeBron wound up with 52 receptions for more than 1,000 yards and 15 touchdowns. SVSM, meanwhile, experienced a tremendous turnaround, going 7-3 and qualifying for the state playoffs. In the Fighting Irish’s first post-season game, a 28-20 victory, LeBron fractured the index finger on his left hand. He chose to keep the injury quiet and take the field for the state final. SVSM lost, and LeBron suspected he had likely played his last football game.

-hed be a tough football player, next ronnie lott?

anyways it doesnt say anything about his senior year but an impressive HS career even without the last year. atleast 1700 yards in soph and junior season. named all-ohio as a sophmore. he was also pretty dominant as a little kid with just over 3 touchdowns a game lol..

http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/James/James_bio.html i sure am set for receiving TEs

[JCMElway]

All right Youcan, well done. If anything I'd put him at receiver, but that was a good bit of info. I'd still take my TEs over yours, but it's nice to see some stats and a football history with LeBron.

[youcandoit1687]

All right Youcan, well done. If anything I'd put him at receiver, but that was a good bit of info. I'd still take my TEs over yours, but it's nice to see some stats and a football history with LeBron.

lol but u were right, it was a blind pick. but hey, thats ABOUT what the chargers did with antonio gates. i dont really have the capabilities to have LeBron over to my backyard for a workout. i thot u had sed something about drafting ben wallace as a TE a while back. btw, sorry bout the loss.

[JCMElway]

lol but u were right, it was a blind pick. but hey, thats ABOUT what the chargers did with antonio gates. i dont really have the capabilities to have LeBron over to my backyard for a workout. i thot u had sed something about drafting ben wallace as a TE a while back. btw, sorry bout the loss.

Heh, I did mention it, but didn't serioulsy consider it.

As for the Pistons, thanks man. But really, how sad can I be? A top 4 finish in the past 4 years, with a championship to show for it. All while having 3 different coaches. That's a very good run and our core is still in tact for a couple more years.

Go Pistons!

[youcandoit1687]

Heh, I did mention it, but didn't serioulsy consider it.

As for the Pistons, thanks man. But really, how sad can I be? A top 4 finish in the past 4 years, with a championship to show for it. All while having 3 different coaches. That's a very good run and our core is still in tact for a couple more years.

Go Pistons!

lol why not man, look up his HS stats, u could have yourself a TE or DE or WR or who knows what. remember the whole idea behind this draft is to have some fun

[youcandoit1687]

Slap is on the clock until 8 AM CST. Big Guy, Eddie Mac, and Phisig are on deck.

bump

[JCMElway]

lol why not man, look up his HS stats, u could have yourself a TE or DE or WR or who knows what. remember the whole idea behind this draft is to have some fun

And I have had plenty of fun, but I'll leave Ben to blocking shots and stick with the team I've built. I think it's a great squad and I don't think he could beat out anyone on my team at football.

But I will throw in the fro emoticon for fun! :afro:

[youcandoit1687]

And I have had plenty of fun, but I'll leave Ben to blocking shots and stick with the team I've built. I think it's a great squad and I don't think he could beat out anyone on my team at football.

But I will throw in the fro emoticon for fun! :afro:

lol he could be blocking passes at DE or cathing "alley-oups" at TE or WR. the guy is an athlete and probably played football at some point in his life and could probly pick it back up pretty quick. lol no worries tho man, its everybody's own team and they can draft maurice clarett if they want.

[JCMElway]

Some football info on Big Ben

Ben—who would eventually grow to 6-7 and 240 pounds (he’s listed at 6-9, but that’s counting his hair)—was a strong, wiry kid who excelled at baseball, football and basketball. By the time he graduated from Central High School in Hayneville, he would earn All-State honors in each of these sports. He also ran track.


Over the next two years, plenty of scouts traveled to Hayneville, but they were most interested in Ben for his football skills. Tall and fast, he was a stud prospect on defense. But by his senior year, Ben realized he could not give up basketball. When the college recruiters came calling, he told them he would only attend a school that let him “go both ways.” The Auburn University staff gave Ben’s plan a thumbs up, and he signed a letter of intent. But he soon found out that the football coaches meant he could play offense and defense—basketball was completely out of the question. Unwilling to turn his back on hoops, Ben decided that Auburn was not for him.

Also:

Did you ever have dreams of playing football?
Wallace: "I played defensive end. Coming out of high school, I wasn't recruited to play basketball, but I had about 16 football scholarships."

Wow, 16 scholarships! I think Ben would be a better NFL prospect than LeBron!!

[youcandoit1687]

Some football info on Big Ben

Ben—who would eventually grow to 6-7 and 240 pounds (he’s listed at 6-9, but that’s counting his hair)—was a strong, wiry kid who excelled at baseball, football and basketball. By the time he graduated from Central High School in Hayneville, he would earn All-State honors in each of these sports. He also ran track.


Over the next two years, plenty of scouts traveled to Hayneville, but they were most interested in Ben for his football skills. Tall and fast, he was a stud prospect on defense. But by his senior year, Ben realized he could not give up basketball. When the college recruiters came calling, he told them he would only attend a school that let him “go both ways.” The Auburn University staff gave Ben’s plan a thumbs up, and he signed a letter of intent. But he soon found out that the football coaches meant he could play offense and defense—basketball was completely out of the question. Unwilling to turn his back on hoops, Ben decided that Auburn was not for him.

Also:

Did you ever have dreams of playing football?
Wallace: "I played defensive end. Coming out of high school, I wasn't recruited to play basketball, but I had about 16 football scholarships."

Wow, 16 scholarships! I think Ben would be a better NFL prospect than LeBron!!

lol take him then my man. you got first rights to him. in LBJ's defense, schools realized football was not in his future and probly didnt offer him many seriuos schollies. dont forget that he was all state as a SOPHMORE. when did wallace get all state football?

PS this has got to be some of the weirdest trash talk haha

[Killericon]

lol take him then my man. you got first rights to him. in LBJ's defense, schools realized football was not in his future and probly didnt offer him many seriuos schollies. dont forget that he was all state as a SOPHMORE. when did wallace get all state football?

PS this has got to be some of the weirdest trash talk haha

Weirdest trash talk I've ever heard. I mean, me and my buddy don't trash talk each other about Paul Kariya and Joe Sakic's curling skills....this is a first.

[-Slap-]

Jeff Siemon MLB Minnesota 1972-1982.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Old Fart fill out their defense with another warrior.

Clay Mathews LB - Cleveland

Clay Matthews played in more games (232) than any other player in team history, however, he is best remembered as one of the league's finest linebackers throughout his career. His 16 seasons in Cleveland are second on the club's longevity list, trailing Lou Groza's 17 years with the Browns. Matthews holds the team record for quarterback sacks with 76.5. The former first-round draft choice (1978) was voted to four Pro Bowls (1986, '88, '89 and '90).

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

THE OLD FARTS

QB - Roger Staubach, Bob Griese
RB - OJ Simpson, Jim Taylor, Joe Don Looney
FB - Joe Perry
WR - Paul Warfield, Boyd Dowler
WR - Harold Carmichael, Frank Gifford
TE - John Mackey
T - Bob St Clair, Winston HIll
G -Joe Delamielleure, Max Montoya
C - Jim Ringo, Charlie Ane
G- Jerry Kramer
T - Stan Jones

DE - Bubba Smith, Fred Dryer
DT - Alex Karras, Jim Marshall
DT - Randy White, Dave Butz
DE - Ed Too Tall Jones
WOLB - Brad Van Pelt, Scott Studwell
MLB - Joe Schmidt, Steve Nelson
SOLB - Wayne Walker - Will also be PK, Clay Mathews
CB - Lem Barney
CB - Tom Brookshier, Abe Woodson (also KR)
SS - Dick LeBeau, Jake Scott
FS - Dick Anderson

PR - Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
P – Don Chandler

[JCMElway]

Jeff Siemon MLB Minnesota 1972-1982.

Damn! That looks like a regular sized dude tackling a smurf! How big is he?

[Old Dude]

Damn! That looks like a regular sized dude tackling a smurf! How big is he?

Jeff Siemon was 6'2, 235.

http://www.databasefootball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=SIEMOJEF01

My guess is that #45 in that photo is Rams RB Jim Bertelson. Bertleson wasn't a huge back, but I don't recall him being a smurf, either.

[eddie mac]

The Fighting Irish select Y A Tittle QB Baltimore, San Francisco, NY Giants 1948-64

Yelberton Abraham Tittle (born October 24, 1926, in Marshall, Texas), better known as Y. A. Tittle, is a former American football quarterback who played for the Baltimore Colts, San Francisco 49ers, and the New York Giants. He is a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio, inducted in 1971.

Tittle began his career with the Baltimore Colts of the All-America Football Conference (AAFC) in 1948, who eventually joined the NFL in 1950. The Colts became defunct after that season, and Tittle joined the San Francisco 49ers. He played there for ten seasons, through 1960, often struggling for playing time. In 1951 and 1952, Frankie Albert also played quarterback extensively, and then from 1957 through 1960, John Brodie took time on the field away from Tittle.

Tittle was traded after the 1960 season, when the 49ers decided that Brodie was their quarterback of the future. He joined the New York Giants, where he would have some of his best seasons. In 1963, his second-to-last year, Tittle set what was then an NFL record by throwing 36 touchdown passes. After a poor 1964 season, however, Tittle retired.

In a career lasting 17 years, Tittle passed for 33,070 yards, and 242 touchdowns, and twice received the NFL Most Valuable Player Award. In 1971, he was enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. One of pro football's greatest quarterbacks never to win the NFL Championship, Tittle did throw seven touchdown passes in the October 28,1962, game against the Washington Redskins that the Giants won 49-34.

For his career, Tittle had impressive numbers. He threw for 28,339 yards and 212 touchdowns, not including his totals in the AAFC.

The only thing missing from Tittle's impressive resumé was an NFL championship. The Giants lost the title game every year from 1961 to 1963. The 1963 game was especially disappointing, as Tittle hurt his leg and struggled all game as the Giants lost to the Chicago Bears 14-10.

The following year, Tittle's final season, the Giants were nowhere close to contention, falling to a 2-10-2 record. Tittle's performance fell from 36 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in 1963 to 10 touchdowns and 22 interceptions in 1964. He retired after the season.

Y.A. Tittle was the first and one of only six quarterbacks in NFL history to have achieved consecutive 30-touchdown passing seasons. The others are Steve Bartkowski, Brett Favre, Dan Fouts, Dan Marino and Jeff Garcia.





Eddie Mac --The Fighting Irish

QB Joe Montana, YA Tittle, George Blanda
RB Gale Sayers, Franco Harris, Ricky Watters
FB Bronko Nagurski
WR Lance Alworth, Fred Biletnikoff
WR Raymond Berry, Art Powell
TE Ben Coates, Riley Odoms
OT Walter Jones
OT Lomas Brown, George Connor
OG Tom Mack, Ed Budde
OG Bill Fralic, Ed Budde
OC Frank Gatski, Mick Tingelhoff

DE Lee Roy Selmon, Jevon Kearse
DE Richard Dent, Ray Childress
NT Arnie Weinmeister, MD Perry, Ray Childress,
OLB Kevin Greene, Keith Brooking
ILB Bill George, George Connor
ILB Nick Buoniconti, George Connor
OLB Cornelius Bennett, Keith Brooking
CB Deion Sanders, Butch Byrd
CB Frank Minniefield, Dave Grayson
S Willie Wood, Dwight Hicks
S Yale Lary, Dwight Hicks

K George Blanda
P Yale Lary
KR/PR Deion Sanders, Yale Lary

HC Chuck Noll

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Good choice Eddie. Will always remember that picture of him coming off the field with blood running down his forehead. One tough man.

[Old Dude]

Ahhh! Someone is making sure they have three QBs! Well done!

Phisig is now on the clock until 12:30 a.m.

BMF Bronco and Arkie are on deck.

Clockwork Orange can make one pick at any time.

Bronco LB 52 can make 5 picks at any time.

[phisig150]

I was thinking maybe drafting Magic Johnson to play QB But I'll pass and take another rook. D'Brickshaw.

[youcandoit1687]

good choice edmac, i was wondering when he was gonna get taken but i already have steve young and archie. nice pick

[BMF Bronco]

Braylon Edwards

[Old Dude]

Arkie is on the clock until 5:00 a.m. for his last two picks.

BMF and Phisig are on deck.

Clockwork Orange can make one pick at any time.

Bronco LB 52 can make 5 picks at any time.

[JCMElway]

Damn you Eddie. Now I gotta find another backup QB.

$#^%***%$*@$$#!$#

[Mr. Trout]

I'm thinking about taking King Kong as my next pick. Then my other players could just watch him go from a safe distance.

[Ray Finkle]

I'm thinking about taking King Kong as my next pick. Then my other players could just watch him go from a safe distance.


I was thinking of Betty White because she is a piece of ass and it would cause the opposing team to look at her:thumbs:

[-Slap-]

I was thinking maybe drafting Magic Johnson to play QB But I'll pass and take another rook. D'Brickshaw.
Earvin would have probably been one of the top two or three QBs who ever played. His vision was incredible and I have no doubt he could have thrown the ball as far and as hard as anyone.

http://membres.lycos.fr/jujoseph/Magic_Johnson_1983.jpg

[eddie mac]

Can we draft cheerleaders???

If that's the case then I'm drafting the strippers from "The Replacements".
Just think of the 1st and 20's my defense would be facing.Hilarious!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Earvin would have probably been one of the top two or three QBs who ever played. His vision was incredible and I have no doubt he could have thrown the ball as far and as hard as anyone.

http://membres.lycos.fr/jujoseph/Magic_Johnson_1983.jpg

Yes, but his greatest strength, which is critical to a QB, is his leadership skills.

[-Slap-]

Yes, but his greatest strength, which is critical to a QB, is his leadership skills.
No question. He won the Michigan high school championship as a senior. Two years later, he won the NCAA championship as a sophomore. The following season, he won the NBA championship as a rookie.

Three championships, at three different levels, in a four year span. There was nobody else like this guy and nobody ever made their teammates better. Give Earvin 11 players and give any other player in NBA history the same 11 players, and nobody beats him.

[Old Dude]

Time has expired for Arkie, so BMF is on the clock until 5:00 p.m.

Phisig and Eddie Mac are on deck.

Clockwork Orange (1), Arkie (2) and Bronco LB 52 (5) can make their picks at any time.

[JCMElway]

Boy, we're kinda limping towards the finish.

I have to take the advice I gave someone else as far as shoring my team up. I have a few too many skill position players, so:

Those Cheap Bastards release Dwight Clark, WR, 49ers

to fill his spot they select Tom Sestak, DT, Bills.

In 1962, the Buffalo Bills drafted Tom Sestak as a tight end in the 17th round from McNeese State. It was one of the Bills' best draft picks ever. Sestak never played end for the Bills, but became one of the greatest defensive tackles in the history of the game. At 6-4, he had the size, speed and strength to handle any offensive lineman. He was a starter in his rookie year and, until a series of knee injuries slowed him down, he played without parallel in the American Football League. What separated him from other linemen was his great strength. More than once he amazed the opposition and his fans by reaching up, while sprawled on the turf behind the line of scrimmage, and tackling a running back in full stride, for a loss! Twice during his outstanding career he realized the defensive lineman's "dream", returning interceptions for touchdowns. All-American Football League in 1963, 1964 and 1965, the cornerstone of a defense that took the Bills to the AFL championships in 1964 and 1965, and a member of the All-Time American Football League Team.

[Old Dude]

Okay, I guess, then Dwight Clark is back in the player pool.

[Old Dude]

There is a problem, though, because I suggested to Killericon that he would have to wait until Round 41 was finished before switching out to get another tight end.

He then indicated that he'd just stand pat.

I guess, to be fair, we have to let anyone switch out any player any time they want, from here to the end. So if Killer stillo wants a tight end, he can make a switch out whenever he wants.

[Old Dude]

Updated Alpha List (Early 41st Round)

Abraham, John
Adams, Sam
Adderley, Herb
Akers, David
Aikman, Troy
Allen, Eric
Allen, Larry
Allen, Marcus
Alexander, Shaun
Alstott, Mike
Alworth, Lance
Alzado, Lyle
Ameche, Alan
Andersen, Morten
Anderson, Dick
Anderson, Gary
Anderson, Otis
Andrie, George
Ane, Charlie
Antwine, Houston
Arbanas, Fred
Archuleta, Adam
Armstead, Jessie
Armstrong, Bruce
Arnsparger, Bill*
Atkins, Doug
Atwater, Steve

Bacon, Coy
Bailey, Champ
Barber, Ronde
Barber, Tiki
Barker, Bryan
Barnes, Erich
Barney, Lem
Baugh, Sammy
Baughan, Maxie
Baumhower, Bob
Bavaro, Mark
Bednarik, Chuck
Belichick, Bill*
Bell, Bobby
Bennett, Cornelius
Bennett, Darren
Bergey, Bill
Berry, Raymond
Bethea, Elvin
Bettis, Jerome
Biletnikoff, Fred
Birk, Matt
Bishop, Keith
Blair, Matt
Blanda, George
Blount, Mel
Blozis, Al
Bly, Dre
Bradshaw, Terry
Brookshier, Tom
Boselli, Tony
Boulware, Peter
Brady, Kyle
Brady, Tom
Brazile, Robert
Brooking, Keith
Brooks, Derrick
Brooks, Larry
Brown, Bob "Boomer"
Brown, Gilbert
Brown, Jerome
Brown, Jim
Brown, Lomas
Brown, Mike
Brown, Paul*
Brown, Ray
Brown, Roger
Brown, Roosevelt
Brown, Ruben
Brown, Tim
Brown, Willie
Browner, Joey
Bruce, Isaac
Bruschi, Tedy
Buchanan, Buck
Budde, Ed
Bulluck, Keith
Buoniconti, Nick
Bush, Reggie
Butkus, Dick
Butler, Jack
Butler, LeRoy
Butz, Dave
Byers, Keith
Byrd, Butch

Canadeo, Tony
Campbell, Earl
Carmichael, Harold
Carrier, Mark
Carson, Harry
Carter, Cris
Carter, Dale
Carter, Rubin
Casper, Dave
Centers, Larry
Chandler, Don
Cherry, Deron
Childress, Ray
Christiansen, Jack
Christiansen, Todd
Christy, Jeff
Clark, Gary
Clayborn, Raymond
Clayton, Mark
Clements, Nate
Coates, Ben
Coleman, Rod
Connor, George
Covert, James "Jumbo"
Cowher, Bill*
Craig, Roger
Creekmur, Lou
Cromwell, Nolan
Csonka, Larry
Culp. Curley
Cunningham, Randall
Curtis, Mike

Davidson, Ben
Davis, Terrell
Davis, Willie
Dawkins, Brian
Dawson, Dermontti
Dawson, Len
Dean, Fred
Delamielleure, Joe
Dent, Richard
Dickerson, Eric
Dierdorf, Dan
Ditka, Mike
Dixon, Hanford
Dobler, Conrad
Doleman, Chris
Donaldson, Ray
Donovan, Art
Dorsett, Tony
Dowler, Boyd
Drazenovich, Chuck
Dryer, Fred
Duncan, Speedy

Easley, Kenny
Edwards, Braylon
Edwards, Donnie
Elam, Jason
Ellard, Henry
Eller, Carl
Elway, John

Faneca, Alan
Farrior, James
Faulk, Marshall
Favre, Brett
Feagles, Jeff
Fears, Tom
Fencik, Gary
Ferguson, D'Brickshaw
Fitzgerald, Larry
Fletcher, Simon
Ford, Len
Fortunato, Joe
Fouts, Dan
Fralic, Bill
Francis, Russ
Freeney, Dwight
Fryar, Irving
Fuller, William

Gardocki, Chris
Gash, Sam
Gastineau, Mark
Gates, Antonio
Gatski, Frank
Gbaja-Biamila, Kabeer
George, Bill
George, Eddie
Gibbs, Joe*
Gifford, Frank
Gilchrist, Cookie
Glenn, Tarik
Glover, La'Roi
Gogan, Kevin
Gonsoulin, William "Goose"
Gonzalez, Tony
Gordon, Darrien
Gradishar, Randy
Graham, Otto
Grange, Red
Gray, Mel
Grayson, David
Green, Ahman
Green, Cornell
Green, Darrell
Greene, "Mean" Joe
Greene, Kevin
Greenwood, L.C.
Gregg, Forrest
Griese, Bob
Griffith, Howard
Grimm, Russ
Groza, Lou
Gruber, Paul
Guy, Ray

Halas, George "Papa Bear"*
Haley, Charles
Hall, Dante
Hall, DeAngelo
Ham, Jack
Hamilton, Ben
Hampton, Casey
Hampton, Dan
Hanburger, Chris
Hanks, Merton
Hannah, John
Harrah, Dennis
Harris, Cliff
Harris, Franco
Harrison, Marvin
Harrison, Rodney
Hartings, Jeff
Hasselbeck, Matt
Hayes, Bob "Bullet"
Hayes, Lester
Haynes, Mike
Heap, Todd
Hein, Mel
Henderson, John
Henderson, William
Hendricks, Ted
Heyward, Craig "Ironhead"
Hickerson, Gene
Hicks, Dwight
Hicks, John
Hilgenberg, Jay
Hill, Winston
Hinton, Chris
Hirsch, Elroy "Crazy Legs"
Holmes, Priest
Holt, Tory
Horn, Joe
Hornung, Paul
Houston, Ken
Hovan, Chris
Howard, Desmond
Howley, Chuck
Huff, Sam
Hull, Kent
Humphrey, Claude
Hutchinson, Steve
Hutson, Don

Irvin, Michael
Ismail, Raghib "Rocket"

Jackson, Bo
Jackson, Keith
Jackson, Rich “Tombstone”
Jackson, Ricky
Jackson, Steven
Jackson, Tom
Jacoby, Joe
James, Edgerrin
James, Erasmus
James, LeBron
Johnson, Billy "White Shoes"
Johnson, Chad
Johnson, Jimmy
Johnson, John Henry
Johnson, Keyshawn
Johnson, Larry "Diaper Boy"
Johnson, Norm
Johnson, Pepper
Johnston, Daryl "Moose"
Joiner, Charlie
Jones, Brent
Jones, Deacon
Jones, Ed "Too Tall"
Jones, Stan
Jones, Tony
Jones, Walter
Jordan, Henry
Jordan, Lee Roy
Jordan, Steve
Joyner, Seth
Jurgenson, Sonny

Karras, Alex
Kearse, Jevon
Kelly, Jim
Kelly, Leroy
Kennedy, Cortez
Kinard, Frank "Bruiser"
Kirkland, Levon
Klecko, Joe
Kramer, Jerry
Kramer, Ron
Krause, Paul
Kruetz, Owen
Kuechenberg, Bob
Kunz, George

Lachey, Jim
Ladd, Ernie
Lake, Carnell
Layne, Bobby
Lambert, Jack
Landetta, Sean
Landry, Tom*
Lane, Dick "Night Train"
Langer, Jim
Lanier, Willie
Largent, Steve
Lary, Yale
Lavelli, Dante
Law, Ty
LeBeau, Dick
Lechler, Shane
Levy, Marv*
Lewis, Albert
Lewis, Ray
Lilly, Bob
Lipscomb, Gene "Big Daddy"
Little, Floyd
Little, Larry
Lloyd, Greg
Lofton, James
Lomax, Neil
Lombardi, Vince*
Long, Howie
Longwell, Ryan
Looney, Joe Don
Lott, Ronnie
Lowry, Nick
Luckman, Sid
Lyman, William Roy "Link"
Lynch, Jim
Lynch, John

Maas, Bill
Mack, Tom
Mackey, John
Madden, John*
Madison, Sam
Mangold, Nick
Mann, Charles
Manning, Archie
Manning, Eli
Manning, Peyton
Marchetti, Gino
Marino, Dan
Marion, Brock
Marshall, Jim
Marshall, Wilber
Martin, Curtis
Mathis, Rashean
Mathis, Terrance
Matthews, Bruce
Matthews, Clay
Mawae, Kevin
Maynard, Don
Mays, Jerry
McCaffrey, Ed
McCalister, Chris
McCardell, Keenan
McCormack, Mike
McDaniel, Randall
McDonald, Tim
McDonald, Tommy
McElhenny, Hugh
McGinest, Willie
McInally, Pat
McIntyre, Guy
McMichael, Randy
McNabb, Donovan
Mecklenburg, Karl
Merriman, Shawn
Metcalf, Eric
Michalske, Mike
Millard, Keith
Miller, Anthony
Milloy, Lawyer
Mills, Sam
Minnifield, Frank
Mitchell, Bobby
Mitchell, Brian
Mix, Ron
Monk, Art
Montana, Joe
Montoya, Max
Moon, Warren
Moore, Herman
Moore, Lenny
Moorman, Brian
Morgan, Dan
Morris, Jon
Moss, Randy
Motely, Marion
Mudd, Howard
Munchak, Mike
Munoz, Anthony
Musso, George

Nagurski, Bronko
Nalen, Tom
Namath, Joe
Neal, Lorenzo
Nelson, Steve
Newsome, Ozzie
Newton, Nate
Nickerson, Hardy
Nischke, Ray
Nobis, Tommy
Noll, Chuck*
Nomellini, Leo
Norton, Ken
Novacek, Jay

O'Neal, Leslie
Oates, Bart
Odoms, Riley
Offerdahl, John
Ogden, Jonathan
Olsen, Merlin
Otto, Jim
Owens, Terrell

Pace, Orlando
Page, Alan
Parcells, Bill*
Parker, Jim
Parrish, Lemar
Paup, Bryce
Payton, Walter
Pearson, Drew
Peppers, Julius
Perry, Joe "Jet"
Perry, Michael Dean
Perry, William
Peterson, Mike
Pihos, Pete
Polamalu, Troy
Porter, Joey
Portis, Clinton
Powell, Art
Pryce, Trevor

Quick, Mike

Rackers, Neil
Randle, John
Rathman, Tom
Reed, Andre
Reed, Ed
Renfro, Mel
Rice, Jerry
Rice Simeon
Richter, Les
Riggins, John
Riley, Ken
Ringo, Jim
Rison, Andre
Roaf, Willie
Robinson, Eugene
Robinson, Johnny
Robustelli, Andy
Roby, Reggie
Rolle, Samari
Romanowski, Bill
Runyon, John
Russell, Andy

Sanders, Barry
Sanders, Bob
Sanders, Charlie
Sanders, Deion
Sanders, Orban "Spec"
Sandifer, Dan
Samuels, Chris
Sapolu, Jesse
Sapp, Warren
Saturday, Jeff
Sauerbrun, Todd
Sayers, Gale
Schlereth, Mark
Schlessinger, Cory
Schmidt, Joe
Scott, Jake
Seau, Junior
Selmon, Lee Roy
Sestak, Tom
Seymour, Richard
Shanahan, Mike*
Sharpe, Shannon
Sharpe, Sterling
Sharper, Darren
Shaw, Billy
Shell, Art
Shell, Donnie
Shields, Will
Shockey, Jeremy
Shula, Don*
Siemon, Jeff
Simpson, OJ
Sinclair, Michael
Singletary, Mike
Siragusa, Tony
Slater, Fred "Duke"
Slater, Jackie
Smerlas, Fred
Smith, Bubba
Smith, Bruce
Smith, Dennis
Smith, Emmitt
Smith, Jackie
Smith, Jimmy
Smith, Neil
Smith, Rod
Smith, Steve
Speedie, Mac
Spielman, Chris
St Clair, Bob
Stallworth, John
Stanfel, Dick
Starr, Bart
Staubach, Roger
Stautner, Ernie
Stenrud, Jan
Stephenson, Dwight
Stepnoski, Mark
Strahan, Michael
Stram, Hank*
Strong, Mack
Stroud, Marcus
Studwell, Scott
Stydahar, Joe
Suggs, Terrell
Surtain, Patrick
Swann, Eric
Swann, Lynn
Sweeney, Walt
Swilling, Pat

Talley, Darryl
Tarkenton, Fran
Tasker, Steve
Tatum, Jack
Tatupu, Lofa
Taylor, Charley
Taylor, Jason
Taylor, Jim
Taylor, John
Taylor, Lawrence
Taylor, Lionel
Taylor, Otis
Taylor, Sean
Thomas, Derrick
Thomas, Emmitt
Thomas, Thurman
Thomas, Zach
Thompson, Billy
Thorpe, Jim
Tillman, Pat
Tingelhoff, Mick
Tippett, Andre
Tittle, Y.A.
Tomlinson, LaDanian
Trafton, George
Trotter, Jeremiah
Tuggle, Jesse
Tunnell, Emlen
Turley, Kyle
Turner, Clyde "Bulldog”
Tyrer, Jim

Unitas, Johnny
Upchurch, Rick
Upshaw, Gene
Urlacher, Brian

Van Buren, Steve
Van Pelt, Brad
Vanderjagt, Mike
Vasher, Nathan
Vick, Michael
Vilma, Jonathan
Vinatieri, Adam
Vincent, Troy
Vrabel, Mike

Wahle, Mike
Walker, Doak
Walker, Hershel
Walker, Wayne
Walls, Everson
Walls, Wesley
Walsh, Bill*
Ward, Hines
Warfield, Paul
Warren, Gerard
Washington, Russ
Waters, Brian
Watters, Ricky
Wayne, Reggie
Webb, Richmond
Webster, George
Webster, Mike
Wehrli, Roger
Weinmeister, Arnie
White, Byron
White, Ed
White, Randy
White, Reggie
Whitfield, Bob
Wilcox, Dave
Williams, Aeneas
Williams, Alfred
Williams, D.J.
Williams, Erik
Williams, Jamal
Williams, Kevin
Williams, Roy (DB)
Williams, Roy (WR)
Willis, Bill
Wilson, Adrian
Wilson, Al
Wilson, Larry
Winfield, Antoine
Winslow, Kellen
Wisenewski, Steve
Witten, Jason
Wolfley, Ron
Wood, Willie
Woodson, Abe
Woodson, Charles
Woodson, Darren
Woodson, Rod
Wright, Louis
Wright, Rayfield

Yary, Ron
Yepremian, Garo
Young, Bryant
Young, Steve
Youngblood, Jack

Zimmerman, Gary


* coaches

[Arkie]

Ralph Neely, OT, Cowboys 1965-77
http://www.cowboyshistory.com/neely.JPG
Neely was a two time Pro Bowler in 1967 and 1969 and was an All-Pro four times. Green Bay defensive end Willie Davis called him "the finest offensive tackle I've ever played against."





Bobby Boyd, CB, Colts, 1960-68
http://www.nearmintcards.com/pics/1966+Philadelphia/66p_psa30195078.jpg
Two time Pro Bowler

[Arkie]

Duke's Dream Team (DDT)
Head Coach: Marv Levy

WR: Steve Largent, Mark Clayton, John Taylor
TE: Mike Ditka, Jay Novacek
RT: George Kunz, Ralph Neely
RG: Larry Allen
C: Jim Otto
LG: Ruben Brown, Dennis Harrah
LT: Chris Hinton, Al Blozis
WR: James Lofton, Gary Clark
QB: John Elway, Jim Kelly
RB: Eric Dickerson, Roger Craig, Mel Gray
FB: Howard Griffith, Alan Ameche

RDE: Chris Doleman
RDT: Alan Page, La'Roi Glover
LDT: Dan Hampton
LDE: Leslie O'Neal
WLB: Greg Lloyd, Bill Bergey
MLB: Willie Lanier, Sam Mills
SLB: Ricky Jackson
CB: Lester Hayes
FS: Larry Wilson
SS: Donnie Shell, Tim McDonald
CB: Mel Renfro, Bobby Boyd

K: Garo Yepremian
P: Darren Bennett
KR: Mel Gray
PR: John Taylor

[Old Dude]

BMF is still on the clock until 5:00 p.m.

Phisig and Eddie Mac are on deck.

Clockwork Orange (1) and Bronco LB 52 (5) can make their picks at any time.

[Old Dude]

...

http://www.nearmintcards.com/pics/1966+Philadelphia/66p_psa30195078.jpg
Two time Pro Bowler

Boyd was also named to be a starting corner on the NFL's "All-Decade" team for the 1960s. (which was a little odd, because he beat out 6-time pro-bowler Erich Barnes and 5-time pro bowler Cornell Green for that distinction)...

[Old Dude]

Can we draft cheerleaders???

If that's the case then I'm drafting the strippers from "The Replacements".
Just think of the 1st and 20's my defense would be facing.Hilarious!

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/movie/replacements/cheerleaders.jpg

Interesting routine, over there on the left.

[BMF Bronco]

Rulon Jones

http://www.sportsposterwarehouse.com/warehouse/rjones88sl-1.jpg

Edited to add pic.

[Old Dude]

Phisig is on the clock until 2:30 a.m.

Eddie Mac and Big Guy are on deck.

Clockwork Orange (1) and Bronco LB 52 (5) can make their picks at any time.

[Old Dude]

Well, frak.

Since we're doing roster adjustments, I'm going to make a tactical and financial move and release Charles Mann, the 4 time Redskin pro-bowl pass rusher.

If you guys want him, go get him. But he wants a lot of money.

I'm going to fill the slot and fortify my LB and RB group by adding ...

“The Big Dog.” Ernie Nevers, 6’1 210, FB/LB Eskimos, Cardinals (1926-27; 29-31)

http://www.goallineart.com/Nevers,%20Ernie.JPG

Compiled from a variety of sources …

Named the greatest college football player of all-time by Sports Illustrated in 1962, Nevers was just about as powerful a back as football had seen at the time. He was extremely fast and at 6-1 and 205 pounds, he was bigger than most linemen of his era.

He not only played both ways on the gridiron, but he earned 11 letters in four sports in just three years playing baseball and basketball as well as track and football.

He once pitched 37 consecutive scoreless innings - a record that still stands at Stanford. In 1925, in a three-game series with Cal, he pitched the full nine innings in two of the games, and in the final game, with the count three-and-two, hit a grand slam home run to win the series for Stanford.

While in college, he also had some bit parts in Hollywood productions during the offseasons, working with a couple of USC football players named Ward Bond and Marion "Duke" Morrison. Bond would make a career of it and Morrison didn’t do so bad himself:

http://212.84.179.117/i/John%20Wayne.jpg

Just prior to his senior football season at Stanford, Nevers severely injured an ankle. He was rushed into service far faster than anyone thought possible, and played through the whole season, earning All-America honors, and took his team to the Rose Bowl. But in the last game of the regular season, he fractured a bone in the other ankle. It was put in a cast that was removed two days before the bowl game. And then, with his ankles supported by braces fashioned from inner tubes by coach Pop Warner and wrapped so tightly that he had little feeling in his legs, he headed out to battle Knute Rockne’s Notre Dame powerhouse. Warner told Nevers that he would be surprised if he lasted 10 minutes.

Nevers gave his coach 60. Playing both ways, Nevers was a monster from his “roving linebacker” position, and was in on 80% of the tackles that day. He also intercepted a pass. On offense, he rushed the ball 34 times for 114 yards - - more than the entire Notre Dame backfield in that game - - the Four Horsemen themselves.

Yet, Nevers was a humble man, and asked years later about the game, would only focus on the fact that he threw two INTs that day, both returned for TDs by the Irish.

Rockne was in awe of Nevers' performance. "Nevers could do everything," Rockne recalled later. "He tore our line to shreds, ran the ends, forward-passed and kicked. True, we held him on the 1-yard line for four downs, but by that time he was exhausted."

So impressed was Rockne that a few years later, when “The Big Dog” was playing as a pro, Rockne would often take his players, at his own expense, to Chicago, just to watch Nevers play.

Nevers did, however, not go directly into pro football. Instead, he opted for major league baseball, and became a pitcher for the St. Louis Browns. He played only three years there, and did not produce a great ERA. In fact, he was better known for giving up two homers to Ruth in his 60 run season. The Babe, not one to flatter anyone unnecessarily, said to him, "You've got good speed, kid. For my sake, I hope you stick to football."

Meanwhile, the NFL was in desperate need of Nevers. The league was facing a financial challenge from Red Grange’s newly formed AFL, and receipts were tumbling. The league needed a “draw.”

So, in 1926, Nevers signed with the Duluth Eskimos, which officially changed its name toi the Ernie Nevers Eskimos. Much like Grange had done for Halas, Nevers went on a murderous barnstorming tour, and played at least 25 games in 117 days - including one stretch of five games in eight days. All but two of the games were on the road. There were 16 men on the Eskimos roster, and Nevers played both ways in every game, missing only 27 minutes out of more than 1400.

And Nevers had a pretty good excuse for that 27 minutes.

He had not felt well that day, and started puking up on the field. Doctors examined him and he diagnosed with appendicitis. But with Duluth trailing 6-0, Nevers couldn't stand to watch. Disregarding doctor's orders, he inserted himself into the game, and threw a 62-yard TD pass and kicked the extra point to give the Eskimos a 7-6 win. The appendix was removed after the game.

Asked to compare him to the legendary Jim Thorpe, whom he had also coached, Pop Warner, Nevers' college coach, said, "I consider Nevers the better player because he gave everything he had in every game."

Warner wrote, in his autobiography, "In an era of great ones - Red Grange of Illinois, George Gipp and the Four Horsemen from Notre Dame, Elmer Oliphant and Chris Cagle of Army, or even Jim Thorpe of Carlisle - Nevers always stood a bit taller when trying to compare others to him."

As a pro, Nevers was named to the All-NFL team in all five seasons in which he played.

With a brief stint in an early A.B.A., Nevers might be the only man to ever play pro football, pro baseball, and pro basketball, all in the same year - - 1927.

After 70 years, he still holds the NFL record for most points scored in a single game, 40 against the Bears on Halloween, 1929. (After the game Geaorge Halas was heard to comment "some home game, Nevers 40, Bears 6".)

After his retirement, Nevers went into coaching, but he signed on with the Marines when WWII arrived. He was commissioned as a captain, and saw combat. His unit was missing in action, and feared dead for nearly three months until they were found. Nevers was alive, though he had developed Beri-Beri and lost almost 60 lbs.

http://www.4nflpicks.com/images/ernienevers.jpg
A charter member of the Hall of Fame.

[JCMElway]

There is a problem, though, because I suggested to Killericon that he would have to wait until Round 41 was finished before switching out to get another tight end.

He then indicated that he'd just stand pat.

I guess, to be fair, we have to let anyone switch out any player any time they want, from here to the end. So if Killer stillo wants a tight end, he can make a switch out whenever he wants.

Ah. That's been my stance from the beginning, espicially when someone took over a team. I've been telling folks, including KI, that you can drop someone and pick up a new guy whenever you like.

[Killericon]

I release William Lyman and pick up Alge Crumpler, TE.

http://www.dallasnews.com/img/photo/08-02/59-12-Scota-01.jpg

A weak pick, but the lack of a backup TE has been killing me.....I would've dumped a DB, but I love all of mine.

Offense:

QB - Bart Starr, Micheal Vick
RB - Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis
FB - Mike Alstott
WR - Tim Brown, Andre Rison
WR - Lynn Swann, Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
WR - Joe Horn
TE - Dave Casper, Alge Crumpler
LT - Gary Zimmerman
LG - Will Shields
C - Tom Nalen, Jeff Hartings
RG - Mike Michalske, Ray Brown
RT - Rayfield Wright

4-3 Defense: Running Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
DT - William Perry, Casey Hampton
DT - Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
MLB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Ray Nischke, Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

3-4 Defense: Passing Situations

DE - L.C. Greenwood, John Abraham
NT - Casey Hampton, William Perry, Warren Sapp
DE - Simeon Rice
WOLB - Jim Lynch, DJ Williams
WILB - Ray Nischke
SILB - Al Wilson
SOLB - Shawn Merriman
CB - Hanford Dixon, Nate Clements
CB - Ronde Barber
SS - Austin Gonsoulin, Adrian Wilson
FS – Paul Krause, Orben Sanders

Special Teams:

KOS - Neil Rackers
K - Neil Rackers
P - Bryan Barker
KR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail
PR - Raghib "Rocket" Ismail

Staff:

HC - John Madden

[Old Dude]

Ha! I'll release Steve Jordan, and pick up Lyman!

http://www.billdaniels.com/linklymangla.jpg


Modified Player Roster (average rookie year: 1949):

57 Jim Brown 6’2 232
80 Anthony Munoz 6’6 278
61 Bob Lilly 6’5 260
37 Sammy Baugh 6’2 182
35 Don Hutson 6’1 183
52 Gino Marchetti 6’4 244
46 Marion Motely 6’1 232
31 Mel Hein 6’2 225
25 Red Grange 6’0 180
67 Gene Upshaw 6’5 255
48 Emlen Tunnell 6’1 187
66 Tommy Nobis 6’2 237
53 Roosevelt Brown 6’3 255
58 Bobby Mitchell 6'0 192
70 Cliff Harris 6’0 188
48 Len Ford 6’4 245
50 Ernie Stautner 6’1 230
58 Chuck Howley 6’3 228
54 Les Richter 6'3 238
58 Gene Hickerson 6’2 252
62 Fred Arbanas 6’3 240
46 Lou Groza 6'3 240
58 Don Maynard 6'0 180
66 Emmitt Thomas 6'2 192
67 Floyd Little 5'11 195
39 Sid Luckman 6'0 197
61 Ernie Ladd 6'9 315
65 Chris Hanburger 6’2 218
63 Lee Roy Jordan 6’1 215
22 Duke Slater 6’1 215
63 Walt Sweeney 6’3 256
38 Byron White 6’1 185
51 Jack Butler 6’0 195
58 Erich Barnes 6’2 201
46 Mac Speedie 6’3 203
64 Jon Morris 6’4 247
36 Joe Stydahar, 6’4 233
26 Ernie Nevers, 6'1 204
22 Link Lyman, 6'2 233

[Old Dude]

Phisig is on the clock until 2:30 a.m.

Eddie Mac and Big Guy are on deck.

Clockwork Orange (1) and Bronco LB 52 (5) can make their picks at any time.


Bump!

[phisig150]

I'll release Eddie George and take Corey Dillion instead and with my final pick select Rocky Blier.

[JCMElway]

I'll release Eddie George and take Corey Dillion instead and with my final pick select Rocky Blier.

Wow, I've started a trend!

[phisig150]

Wow, I've started a trend!

Sometimes you're sure a player is gone and are surprised they're still on the board. I think Dillion overall is a better back than George. And Blier fought through friggin hand gernades played on all 4 Steeler championship teams. I thought some had nabbed him by now. Even a younster like me (25) has to respect and give Rocky his props. Even his name is badass. Diehard Bronco fan for life but those 70s era Steelers got to admit were pretty badass.

[phisig150]

So who has the best team? I say we have matchups pitting every team against each other and have our fellow hopefully non-biased orangemaners vote on the winner. But first we should all make a convincing argument for our respestive team.

[Rocket 7]

So who has the best team? I say we have matchups pitting every team against each other and have our fellow hopefully non-biased orangemaners vote on the winner. But first we should all make a convincing argument for our respestive team.
I agree. I would love to see a tournament of some kind to determine the best team.

[Old Dude]

Eddie Mac is on the clock until 1:00 p.m.

Big Guy and Slap are on deck.

Clockwork Orange can make one pick at any time.

Bronco LB 52 is now 5 picks down. My understanding is that Oskie may volunteer to take over that team. If he does so, he can make up those 5 picks at any time.

[Old Dude]

... But first we should all make a convincing argument for our respestive team.

I think that once we finish the 41st round, each team should get one big post to make their argument or beat their chest or whatever.

[eddie mac]

The Fighting Irish select Harvey Martin DE Dallas Cowboys 1973-83 died 2001. NFL All decade team 1970's, 4 time Pro-Bowler, MVP in Superbowl XII, 113 career sacks

Harvey Martin (born November 16, 1950 in Dallas, Texas; died December 24, 2001) was a defensive end for the Dallas Cowboys from 1973 until 1983. He started playing football in high school, only because he overheard his father tell his mother that he was ashamed that his son didn't play like his friends' kids. He eventually starred at South Oak Cliff High School and East Texas State University before being drafted in the third round of the 1973 NFL draft.

As part of the famed Doomsday Defense, "The Beautiful" aka "Too Mean" led the Cowboys in sacks seven times. Martin went to the Pro Bowl four times and was Super Bowl MVP in Super Bowl XII. He still holds team records for most sacks as a rookie (9), in a season (20), and career (113). Former Cowboys GM Tex Schramm stated "He'll be remembered as one of the great Cowboys of the golden years ... He was a great player, one of the first great pass rushers."

Following his retirement in 1984, Martin participated in the battle royal at Wrestlemania II (1986) for the World Wrestling Federation, and appeared several times in World Class Championship Wrestling as a ringside commentator.

With football gone, many inner demons came to light, including bankruptcies, domestic violence, and polysubstance abuse. Although coach Tom Landry sent him to rehab in 1983, Martin continued to abuse drugs and alcohol. He hit rock-bottom in 1996, when "Too Mean" was jailed on domestic violence and cocaine charges, where he received probation and spent the next eight months in a court-ordered rehabilitation program.

Afterwards, he was given a job selling chemical products by former teammate and Cowboys offensive lineman John Niland. He was able to turn his life around, staying clean and sober for the final years of his life, giving anti-drug speeches to both schoolchildren and recovering addicts.

Martin died of pancreatic cancer on December 24, 2001 at the age of 51.



Eddie Mac --The Fighting Irish

QB Joe Montana, YA Tittle, George Blanda
RB Gale Sayers, Franco Harris, Ricky Watters
FB Bronko Nagurski
WR Lance Alworth, Fred Biletnikoff
WR Raymond Berry, Art Powell
TE Ben Coates, Riley Odoms
OT Walter Jones
OT Lomas Brown, George Connor
OG Tom Mack, Ed Budde
OG Bill Fralic, Ed Budde
OC Frank Gatski, Mick Tingelhoff

DE Lee Roy Selmon, Harvey Martin, Jevon Kearse
DE Richard Dent, Ray Childress
NT Arnie Weinmeister, MD Perry, Ray Childress,
OLB Kevin Greene, Keith Brooking
ILB Bill George, George Connor
ILB Nick Buoniconti, George Connor
OLB Cornelius Bennett, Keith Brooking
CB Deion Sanders, Butch Byrd
CB Frank Minniefield, Dave Grayson
S Willie Wood, Dwight Hicks
S Yale Lary, Dwight Hicks

K George Blanda
P Yale Lary
KR/PR Deion Sanders, Yale Lary

HC Chuck Noll

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Old Farts fill out their roster with an annoying TV Comentator, but a pretty decent Tight End:

Bob Trumpy (Born in 1945) is a former professional American Football tight end who played for the Cincinnati Bengals from 1968 to 1977.

After graduating from the University of Utah in 1967, Trumpy was selected by the Bengals in the 12 round (301st overall) of the 1968 AFL draft. Despite his low draft selection, Trumpy worked hard in the offseason and managed to earn the starting tight end spot in the team's lineup. He didn't disappoint in his rookie season, recording 37 receptions for 639 yards and 3 touchdowns, and earning a pro bowl selection.

The following year, Trumpy had the best season of his career, catching 37 passes for 835 yards (a 22.6 yards per catch average) and 9 touchdowns. In a game against the Houston Oilers, Trumpy became the first Bengals tight end ever to record 3 touchdown receptions in a single game, assisting his team to a 31-31 tie, the only tie in franchise history.

Trumpy continued to play for the Bengals until 1977, earning 2 more trips to the pro bowl in 1970 and 1973. In his final season, he caught only 18 passes for 251 yards and 1 touchdown, but his touchdown was one of the most memorable plays of his career. In a November 20th game against the Miami Dolphins during a driving rainstorm, Trumpy caught a 29-yard touchdown pass from quarterback Ken Anderson on a flea flicker play that involved 3 different players handling the ball before it was thrown to him. First Anderson handed the ball off to running back Archie Griffin, who then pitched the ball to receiver John McDaniel running in the opposite direction. McDaniel then handed the ball back to Anderson, setting up his 29-yard touchdown pass to Trumpy. The Bengals went on to defeat the Dolphins 23-17, knocking them out of playoff contention. "It was magic", said Trumpy about the play, "Don Shula(the Dolphins coach at the time) reminds me of that play every time I see him. We called it 'triple pass' because 3 poeple touched it before I caught it, but Shula called it the reverse pass. He'll see me and say 'That damn reverse pass. I remember that.'"(1)

Trumpy finished his 10 NFL seasons with 298 receptions for 4,600 yards and 35 touchdowns in 128 games. His 4,600 receiving yards, 35 touchdown receptions, and his 15.4 yards per catch average are the most ever by a Bengals tight end.

After his NFL career, Trumpy became an NFL broadcaster. He currently works an analyst for CBS Radio Sports/Westwood One and does programming for WLW-AM(700) radio.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

THE OLD FARTS

QB - Roger Staubach, Bob Griese
RB - OJ Simpson, Jim Taylor, Joe Don Looney
FB - Joe Perry
WR - Paul Warfield, Boyd Dowler
WR - Harold Carmichael, Frank Gifford
TE - John Mackey, Bob Trumpy
T - Bob St Clair, Winston HIll
G -Joe Delamielleure, Max Montoya
C - Jim Ringo, Charlie Ane
G- Jerry Kramer
T - Stan Jones

DE - Bubba Smith, Fred Dryer
DT - Alex Karras, Jim Marshall
DT - Randy White, Dave Butz
DE - Ed Too Tall Jones
WOLB - Brad Van Pelt, Scott Studwell
MLB - Joe Schmidt, Steve Nelson
SOLB - Wayne Walker - Will also be PK, Clay Mathews
CB - Lem Barney
CB - Tom Brookshier, Abe Woodson (also KR)
SS - Dick LeBeau, Jake Scott
FS - Dick Anderson

PR - Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
P – Don Chandler

[Old Dude]

Wow, that was a very interesting piece on Martin.

(And Trumpy wasn't a bad pick at all. I thought he never got enough credit for the way he stretched the field.)

[Old Dude]

Slap is on the clock until 10:00 p.m., and I guess, we skip over Clockwork's last pick for now, so RShackleford is on deck.

Bronco LB 52 (or Oskie, if he's filling in for him) can make 5 picks at any time.

[Old Dude]

Note: Last we checked, BMF Bronco seems to somehow have slipped two picks behind everyone else. It looks to me like he might have missed his pick in the 15th round and never made it up. We don't know where or how the other one happened, but he can also make two make up picks.

[-Slap-]

My final selection is little Joe Washington Scatback 1977-1985 SD/Bal/Was/Atl.

There were better running backs, but nobody had more moves.

[Old Dude]

Cool. A scatback!

Anyone ever notice how many small, but great players the Redskins have had over the years...

[Old Dude]

RShackleford is on the clock until 12:30 p.m.

Old Dude and JCM (via Killer) are on deck.

[-Slap-]

Cool. A scatback!

Anyone ever notice how many small, but great players the Redskins have had over the years...
You couldn't help but smile watching Joe Washington carry the football. The guy would make 15 moves just to get back to the line of scimmage and he straight undressed people in the open field.

[-Slap-]

1 Johnny Unitas QB
2 Earl Campbell RB
3 Shannon Sharpe TE
4 John Hannah G
5 Randy Gradishar MLB
6 Jack Ham OLB
7 Doug Atkins DE
8 Lenny Moore WR/RB
9 Torry Holt WR
10 Dennis Smith SS
11 Buck Buchanan DT
12 Brian Dawkins FS
13 Bob "Boomer" Brown OT
14 Aeneas Williams CB
15 Russ Washington OT
16 Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb DT
17 Andre Tippett OLB
18 Olin Kruetz C
19 Lemar Parrish CB
20 Curtis Martin RB
21 Charles Haley DE
22 Rick Upchurch WR/PR
23 Joe Gibbs HC
24 Fred Smerlas NT/DT
25 Keith Jackson TE
26 Bob Hayes WR
27 Keith Byars FB/TE
28 Ed White G
29 Matt Blair OLB
30 Coy Bacon DE
31 Ray Donaldson C/G
32 Neil Lomax QB
33 Pat McInally P/WR
34 David Akers K
35 Cornell Green CB/S
36 Andy Russell OLB
37 Ron Wolfley FB/ST
38 Jim Lachey OT
39 Raymond Clayborn CB
40 Jeff Siemon MLB
41 Joe Washington RB

[-Slap-]

The KnockYerDickintheDirts

Earl Campbell

FB Keith Byars
WR Torry Holt
QB Johnny Unitas

TE Shannon Sharpe RT Russ Washington RG Ed White C Olin Kruetz LG John Hannah LT Bob Brown WR Lenny Moore
...........................................

LDE Doug Atkins LDT Gene Lipscomb RDT Buck Buchanan RDE Charles Haley

SLB Jack Ham MLB Randy Gradishar WLB Andre Tippett

CB Aeneas Williams FS Brian Dawkins SS Dennis Smith CB Lemar Parrish



QB Neil Lomax
RB Curtis Martin
FB/ST Ron Wolfley
WR Bob Hayes
WR/RS Rick Upchurch
TE Keith Jackson
C/G Ray Donaldson
OT Jim Lachey

NT Fred Smerlas
DE Coy Bacon
LB Matt Blair
LB Andy Russell
CB/S Cornell Green
CB/RS Raymond Clayborn

K - David Akers
P - Pat McInally

HC Joe Gibbs

http://www.flyingfistranch.com/albums/Beaus-Manly-Sports-Heroes/Campbell_Earl5.jpg

[Old Dude]

Trivia time ....

How many points were awarded for a touchdown in 1898? [ five ]

What is the longest continuing pro football franchise? [ In 1898, a neighborhood group organized to play football on Chicago's South Side. They called themselves The Morgan Athletic Club. They were later bought by a local businessman and moved to play at nearby "Normal Field" where they were dubbed (so help me) "The Normals". Subsequently, they adopted the street address of 61st and Racine and became the Racine Cardinals. Then the Chicago Cardinals. Then they moved to St. Louis. And finally, to Arizona.

Which American President threatened to abolish and outlaw the sport of football?

[Teddy Roosevelt, after a white house conference, because so many people were geting killed on the field. 20 deaths and over 100 serious injuries in 1905 alone.

How many points was a field goal worth in 1900-1908. [ Four. It was reduced to 3 points in 1909.]

Which of the following teams was not a real NFL team: The Racine Legion; The Toledo Maroons, The Orange Tornados, The Columbus Panhandles, The Louiville Brecks, The Evansville Crimson Giants, The Marion Orange Indians, the Kansas City Cowboys or the Kansas City Blues? [All of them were real]

Who won the first Thankgiving Game in Detroit? [ The Bears, 19-16 in 1934 ]

[Old Dude]

Well, I've been sitting here all afternoon, twiddling my thumbs and waiting to see what RShack might do, but I'm getting nervous that six new picks can come roaring in at any time.

So I'm going to release AFL Hall-of Famer Walt Sweeney in order to cut the cap just a little lower.

I’m going to use the pick to select an all- purpose prehistoric monster.

Robert “Cal” Hubbard, 6-something, 250, E, LB, G, T Giants, Packers, Pirates (1927-33; 35-36)

There is a lot of contradictory info on Hubbard’s height. The College Hall of Fame lists him at 6’4. His writeup in the Pro Football Hall of Fame says he was 6’2. But this seems to be a typo, since official Canton memorabilia says he was 6’5, as do historical bios on both semi-official Packers and Giants websites. We do know that he was extremely fast for a late 1920’s 250 pounder, running the 100 dash in under 11 seconds, and that he was well-known for batting down passes at the line of scrimmage. He was also used as a “gunner” on punt coverage, so I would guess that the 6’4 or 6’5 figures are probably the more accurate ones.

Anyhow …

Hubbard was a Missouri farmboy who attended a “Centenary College” somewhere in Louisiana, and, in his senior year, he followed his football coach to the slightly larger “Geneva College” in western Pennsylvania.

Noted for having outstanding speed for a player of his size, he was used as a both a tackle and end on offense, and was used in a linebacker-type role on defense.

In 1927, Hubbard signed a deal to play for the New York Giants. At the time, they were already strong at the tackles, so they used Hubbard as a linebacker to strengthen their already imposing defense and as “blocking” end on offense (This is probably the closest thing to a pre-1950 TE as one is likely to find.) He helped the Giants win their first NFL Championship and, though the NFL did not yet have “official” all-pro awards, the majority of publications named Hubbard to their first team all-pro squads for 1927 and 1928.

At the end of 1928, Hubbard, tired of big-city life, asked to be traded to the Packers, and the Giants obliged. This was a huge mistake on the part of the Giants. In 1929 Hubbard led the Packers to a 12-0-1 record, edging out the 13-1-1 Giants for the league title. The Packers handed the Giants their only loss 20-6, scoring as many points as the Giants had given up the entire previous season.

Hubbard played as a guard in Green Bay in 1929, and was then converted back to his college position of tackle in 1930-33. He made (the now official) all-NFL team in four of those five years, and he was instrumental in leading the Pack to three straight NFL championships. Mel Hein called him quite simply the best tackle he ever played against.

Hubbard retired after 1933, but returned to play two more seasons in 35 and 36. He eventually went on to a career in baseball officiating, and was inducted into the MLB Hall of Fame as an umpire. (FWIW, baseball said he was 6’3)

In 1963, Hubbard was inducted as a charter member into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.


The Old Dudes: Jim Brown, Anthony Munoz, Bob Lilly, Sammy Baugh, Don Hutson, Gino Marchetti, Marion Motely, Emlen Tunnell, Mel Hein, Red Grange, Gene Upshaw, Tommy Nobis, Roosevelt Brown, Cliff Harris, Len Ford, Ernie Stautner, Chuck Howley, Gene Hickerson, Fred Arbanas, Bobby Mitchell, Paul Brown, Les Richter, Lou Groza, Don Maynard, Emmitt Thomas, Floyd Little, Sid Luckman, Ernie Ladd, Chris Hanburger, Lee Roy Jordan, Duke Slater, Whizzer White, Jack Butler, Erich Barnes, Mac Speedie, Jon Morris, Joe Stydahar, Ernie Nevers, Link Lyman, Cal Hubbard.

[Old Dude]

RShackleford is on the clock until 12:30 p.m.

Old Dude and JCM (via Killer) are on deck.

- Bump -

[JCMElway]

RShack is on the clock until 12:30 AM!

[Rshackleford]

I guess with my last pick I will take someone who has been around for quite awhile: DT Ted Washington.

[Old Dude]

I will re-acquire Walt Sweeney.

The Old Dudes: Jim Brown, Anthony Munoz, Bob Lilly, Sammy Baugh, Don Hutson, Gino Marchetti, Marion Motely, Emlen Tunnell, Mel Hein, Red Grange, Gene Upshaw, Tommy Nobis, Roosevelt Brown, Cliff Harris, Len Ford, Ernie Stautner, Chuck Howley, Gene Hickerson, Fred Arbanas, Bobby Mitchell, Paul Brown, Les Richter, Lou Groza, Don Maynard, Emmitt Thomas, Floyd Little, Sid Luckman, Ernie Ladd, Chris Hanburger, Lee Roy Jordan, Duke Slater, Whizzer White, Jack Butler, Erich Barnes, Mac Speedie, Jon Morris, Joe Stydahar, Ernie Nevers, Link Lyman, Cal Hubbard, Walt Sweeney.
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JCM Elway is now on the clock with the pick he obtained from Killericon in an earlier trade.

[JCMElway]

With my next pick I get a backup QB and a backup CB to boot. He can also backup at punter and kicker.

Bob Waterfield, Rams, QB/CB

6-1, 200 lbs.

Robert Stanton Waterfield. . .Cleveland Rams' No. 5 future draft pick, 1944. . .NFL's Most Valuable Player as rookie, 1945 . . .Two TD passes keyed Rams' 1945 title win. . .All-NFL three years, NFL passing champ twice. . . Career marks include 11,849 yards, 97 TDs passing; 573 points on 13 TDs, 315 PATs, 60 FGs; 42.4-yard punting average. . .Also played defense first four years, intercepted 20 passes. . .Born July 26, 1920, in Elmira, New York. . .Died March 25, 1983 at age of 62.

In the 1945 NFL Championship Game, Bob Waterfield threw 37- and 44-yard touchdown passes to lead the Cleveland Rams to a 15-14 victory over the Washington Redskins. That capped a season in which he was a unanimous All-NFL choice, and became the first rookie ever to win the league's Most Valuable Player.

Early in 1946, the Rams moved to Los Angeles. As the Rams quarterback – later splitting time with Norm Van Brocklin – Waterfield took the team to three straight title games, 1949-1951. The Rams won it all in 1951 with a 24-17 win over the Cleveland Browns in the title game.

As a passer, Waterfield was known for his ability to throw deep. He led the National Football League in passing in 1946 and 1951, finishing with career totals of 814 completions, 11,849 yards gained and 97 touchdown passes.

He was named first- or second-team All-NFL five times. One of the game’s most versatile players, he was also an ace defensive back for his first four seasons, a top punter with a 42.4 yard average, and a deadly place kicker. In eight seasons he totaled 573 points on 13 touchdowns, 315 PATs and 60 field goals.

For the next seven seasons, the Rams were pro football's most feared offensive team and Waterfield was the brilliant field general and precision passer who put points on the scoreboard. Always calm against even the greatest odds, he often led his team to come-from-behind victories.

In one 1948 game, the Rams fell behind eventual league champion Philadelphia 28-0. Waterfield rallied his team to a tie on four late touchdown passes. Waterfield proved to be a determined competitor in the pros. In the 1950 divisional playoff, although he was unable to practice all week because of the flu, he came off the bench and threw three touchdown passes in a 24-14 win over the Chicago Bears.

[JCMElway]

Ray Finkle is on the clock until 8:30 AM CST. Youcan, Dipso, and Mr. Trout are on deck. And then I get Mr. Irrelevant!

[JCMElway]

I'm still dickering with the depth chart a bit, but here it is for now.

TCB Depth chart:

QB: Dan Fouts, Bob Waterford
RB: Emmit Smith, Jim Thorpe, Hugh McElhenny
FB: John Henry Johnson, Cookie Gilchrist
WR: Crazy Legs Hirsch, Drew Pearson, Steve Tasker
WR: Charlie Joiner, Lionel Taylor,
TE: Charlie Sanders, Ron Kramer
OT: Forrest Gregg, Ron Kramer
OG: George Musso, Bill Willis
C: Bob Langer, Chuck Bednarik
OG: Lou Creekmur, Bill Willis
OT: JimTyrer, Jerry Mays

DE: Willie Davis, Jerry Mays
DT: Joe Klecko, Rubin Carter, Jerry Mays
DT: Curley Culp, Tom Sestak, Bill Willis
DE: Carl Eller, Bill Willis, George Webster
SOLB: Chuck Bednarik, John Offerdahl, Bill Willis
MLB: Dick Butkus, John Offerdahl
WOLB: Tom Jackson, George Webster, Bill Willis
CB: Dick Night Train Lane, Bob Waterford, Johnny Robinson
FS: Jim Thorpe, Johnny Robinson, Bill Willis
SS: Joey Browner, George Webster
CB: Everson Walls, Ken Riley

K: Morten Anderson
P: Jim Thorpe
KR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McElhenny
PR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McEllhenny
ST: Steve Tasker
Third Down Back: Hugh McElhenny
Coach: Tom Landry

[Old Dude]

After some behind the scenes discussion, we are completing Clockwork's Roster with two of the guys I dropped: Charles Mann and Steve Jordan. He could use depth at both positions, and they fit reasonably well into the average era where he's drafted (early 1990s).

(No one else seems too excited about them anyway).

[-Slap-]

Which American President threatened to abolish and outlaw the sport of football?
The Flying Wedge was nasty business.

[JCMElway]

Just found a great article about the Wedge, Yale/Harvard.....

When Men Were Men and Football Was Brutal
In the late 1800s, football was a blood sport, and the Yale-Harvard game was an annual national scandal. Yale captain Frank Hinkey was the most dangerous player of them all.

November/December 2004
by Bernard Corbett and Paul Simpson

This article is adapted from The Only Game That Matters, by Bernard M. Corbett and Paul Simpson, to be published by Crown Publishers, a division of Random House.

It was in 1875 that Yale and Harvard first met on a football field. Harvard won. And that rankled. After losing the inaugural battle, the Yale team trained ferociously, mastering tackling and blocking techniques, vowing to perfect the game Harvard had taught them. The training paid off. Yale took over as top dog starting with the second game. The Yale winning streak grew. And grew. And grew. An annual drubbing of the Crimson became routine, and the "little brother" syndrome subsided somewhat. But finally, in 1890, the inevitable happened. After a fifteen-year drought, Harvard at last beat Yale.

The 1890 Harvard victory angered the Yale football gods. They delivered to the Yale squad a Fury. He would mete out punishment and restore Yale's position as the nation's supreme football power. His name was Frank Hinkey.

Football was so dangerous that even heavyweight boxing champion John L. Sullivan once declared: "Football! There's murder in that game."

Twenty-year-old Hinkey arrived at Yale in 1891 as a 5' 9" 145-pound freshman and became a starter in his first year. The scrappy boy had a lung problem that doctors had told him would curtail his life span, and he was encouraged to live an easy, healthy lifestyle. That would have meant not playing football -- especially in that early era, before protective equipment, before modern rules and enforcement of them. At that time, football was so dangerous that even the legendary heavyweight boxing champion John L. Sullivan once declared: "Football! There's murder in that game. Sparring! It doesn't compare in roughness or danger with football."

Hinkey ignored his doctors' advice. He played football and he played it with reckless abandon, hurling his body into oncoming opponents with utter disregard for the physical consequences. Off the field he stayed up late and drank the worst brands of whiskey. Just to spite his weak lungs, he smoked cigars by the box, the cheaper the better.

Walter Camp '80, the team's coach, marveled at Hinkey's abilities. Camp was a militant when it came to physical conditioning, and he couldn't figure out how a small man of ill health, one who treated his body so poorly, could perform as Hinkey did. He referred to Hinkey as "the disembodied spirit" because the freshman had an ability to drift effortlessly through opposing interference to get to the ball carrier. When he met up with the unfortunate carriers, they typically found themselves suddenly and viciously hurled to the ground. No one tackled like Hinkey. He was a tightly wound ball of hate, compensating for his size with unequaled speed and violence. Sportswriters said of Hinkey: "When he tackled 'em, they stayed tackled" and "When he hit 'em on his blocking assignment, they stayed hit."

Hinkey's teammates also knew him by another nickname: "Silent Frank." The boy kept to himself and let his playing do the talking. Part of that may have been temperament; his bottled-up anger and short fuse didn't lend themselves to forming friendships.

One night, Hinkey's teammate George Foster Sanford heard a scuffle in the adjacent room. When Sanford investigated, he found Hinkey whaling away at a much larger man cowering on the floor. The 200-pound Sanford grabbed Hinkey by the shirt, lifted him clear off his feet, and hurled him into the wall. Panting and wild-eyed, Hinkey stared at him and said, "Sanford, that was the greatest sensation I've ever experienced -- try it again!"

It turned out that the larger man had picked a fight with Hinkey. Though volatile and completely willing to defend himself, Hinkey wasn't an instigator off the field. Thankfully for his teammates, Hinkey saved his rage for their opponents.

Frank Hinkey eagerly awaited his first Harvard encounter at Hampden Field in Springfield, Massachusetts -- site of The Game in the days before either team had its own stadium -- in 1891. Somebody had to exact revenge for the 1890 loss. The two teams both held perfect records, putting the national title on the line as well.

Hinkey made an immediate impact on The Game.

Hinkey made an immediate impact on The Game. With Yale holding a 4-0 lead, Harvard halfback Tom Corbett attempted to sweep Hinkey's end. Unfortunately for Corbett, Hinkey hated being thought of as the weak point. He made an example of Corbett, exploding into him and popping the ball out of his hands. As a flattened Corbett lay on the ground watching helplessly, Yale halfback Laurie Bliss '93 streaked 25 yards into the end zone for the clinching touchdown. With that, Harvard's quest for a repeat undefeated season came to an abrupt end, and Yale regained the national crown with a perfect record of 13-0-0. Hinkey had restored order.

The following year, 10-0 Harvard and 11-0 Yale again entered their annual contest with perfect records. Hinkey had continued his assault on opponents throughout the season, and Harvard, now well aware of the danger he posed, had devised an ingenious plan to counter the formidable end. Lorin Deland, a Harvard graduate and Boston businessman, had formulated a mass-attack formation based on decidedly warlike precepts. He called the play "the Flying Wedge."

The Crimson debuted the play in The Game. Harvard lined up with two groups behind the line of scrimmage. When quarterback Bernie Trafford signaled, the two groups raced forward and converged, forming a V in front of Trafford. He handed the ball off to fullback Charlie Brewer. Then the entire Crimson team surged forward, with Brewer engulfed by a protective wall of his teammates' bodies.

The Flying Wedge was brilliant, and it was nearly invincible. But it had one flaw: it incensed Frank Hinkey. And Hinkey incensed was close enough to a force of nature to beat even the Wedge. The Harvard play gained 30 yards before Hinkey and Yale captain Vance McCormick '93 finally combined to make the defensive stop. After Yale took over offensively on a Harvard fumble, Hinkey cleared a path for running back Bliss by obliterating Harvard end Slugger Manson and tackling Jim Shea. Bliss followed Hinkey's block again on the next play and scored the game's only touchdown.

In the Flying Wedge a player could just as easily be hurt by his own players as by the opposing ones.

The Flying Wedge not only enraged Yale players (and fans -- it took three police officers to subdue Yale alum and three-time All-American Pudge Heffelfinger '91). It also raised eyebrows on the national rules committee, which was already unhappy about football's brutish reputation. The defense needed to put several players in the Wedge's path to slow it down and get to the ball, and the play always ended in a huge gang tackle. Hundreds of pounds of body weight collapsed in a heap, the players' arms and legs intricately tangled. Unprotected heads cracked against one another or collided with elbows and knees. In the Flying Wedge a player could just as easily be hurt by his own players as by the opposing ones.

The committee struck back before the 1894 season, outlawing all such formations. (It also proscribed the wearing of the special belts with handles that players clutched to form the interlocking wall.) Harvard would have to find another way to shield its ball carriers from Hinkey and the rest of the Bulldogs.

The idea for the Crimson's next trick was sparked during the 1893 game against Cornell, a game played in miserable rainy conditions. When the traditional uniforms of moleskin trousers and canvas jackets became saturated with water, each player carried an additional 30 pounds. Inevitably, the players slowed down. Harvard explored alternate fabrics for uniforms, and found that a high-grade thin-layer leather resulted in only one additional pound of water weight in rain. The fact that the slippery leather made tackling difficult was merely a coincidental side benefit.

To the amazement of the Yale team and 25,000 spectators at Hampden Park in 1893, Harvard jogged onto the field in shiny leather uniforms. (They had been designed and manufactured by a trendy Boston tailor, at the princely cost of $125 each.) Hinkey immediately launched into a tirade over the leather uniforms and started arguing with Harvard captain Bert Waters and the officials over the legality of the fabric. He lost. Nothing in the rule book addressed fashion requirements.

Hinkey, of course, knew the rules. He was the Yale captain by then, and he had spent the previous night telling his teammates which of them to break. The argument was actually a stall tactic that made time for someone to track down some resin for the Yale team's hands. The resin provided the additional traction the players needed in order to grab hold of the gimmicky Harvard innovation. And again, Harvard's unconventional tactic proved futile. Yale won the game on a one-yard touchdown run by Frank Butterworth '95, the only score in the game.

In 1894, the sport of football came under attack by Harvard president Charles Eliot. In a diatribe entitled "The Evils of Football," he declared that "the American game of football, as now played, is unfit for colleges and schools... As a spectacle football is more brutalizing than prize fighting, cock fighting, or bull fighting... Football sets up the wrong kind of a hero -- the man who uses his strength brutally, with a reckless disregard both of the injuries he may suffer and of the injuries he may inflict on others."

But the Crimson football program continued. And that same year saw the one Yale-Harvard game that best illustrated the rivalry's bitterness and the sport's brutality, the game where no friends were made -- the game that was later dubbed "The Bloodbath in Hampden Park" and also "The Springfield Massacre."

The night before the game, Hinkey called a meeting of the Yale players in the Springfield YMCA, where they were staying overnight. According to Tim Cohane's Yale Football Story, his instructions were specific: in the event of a fair catch by a Harvard player, "tackle them anyway and take the penalty." His status as Harvard public enemy number one was secure.

Hinkey did not like to be fooled.

Nothing about the pregame festivities the next day hinted at the violence to come. At half past one in the afternoon, with the temperature in the low forties, the players began to arrive amid elaborate pomp and ceremony. The appearance of each school -- first Yale, then Harvard -- set off demonstrations with waving banners, horse-drawn coaches, and cheering supporters festively decked out in blue and crimson. The grand entrance parade was worthy of the Colosseum of ancient Rome. Hinkey, the sport's most ferocious gladiator, was ready for his farewell performance.

Entering the game a slight favorite, Harvard quickly gave up a touchdown. Then the Crimson revealed their latest innovation -- the reverse play. Quarterback Robert Wrenn handed off to halfback Edgar Wrightington for what appeared to be a run around the right end. Fullback John Fairchild had lined up at left end as a harmless decoy -- until Wrightington reversed the play to Fairchild. But Hinkey, who had been pursuing the original ball carrier, wheeled around and somehow managed to track down Fairchild. The fullback paid dearly. Hinkey unloaded on him with an earthshaking tackle, driving him into the turf in what was later described as one of the most vicious moves of Hinkey's career. Hinkey did not like to be fooled.

With a first down at the Yale four-yard line after the play netted sixteen yards, the Crimson were stopped twice for no gain. On the next play, Harvard halfback Johnny Hayes did the impossible. Courtesy of a devastating double-team block on Hinkey, Hayes circled around left end and scored. It was the first Crimson score against Yale since the 1890 victory, four long years earlier. It was also the first, last, and only time that any player succeeded in an attempt to get around Hinkey's end.

The game became increasingly violent. Harvard's Charlie Brewer suffered a broken leg, yet played on until he could bear the pain no longer. Yale tackle Fred Murphy '97 took a blow to the head, leaving him so woozy that his teammates had to point him toward the Yale goal before each play. Harvard's Bert Waters jabbed a finger into Frank Butterworth's eye. After Harvard's Edgar Wrightington called for a fair catch and rolled to the ground, his collarbone was snapped by a pair of Hinkey knees. Harvard fans called for Frank's head. (It may not have been the elder Hinkey who caused the injury; some contended that sophomore Louis Hinkey was to blame, and that Frank took the blame to protect his sibling.)

Football was now under fire from every corner of society.

The assaults continued. During an official's conference, Fred Murphy backhanded Harvard's Bob Hallowell, crushing his nose into a crooked, bloody mess. He also poked Hallowell's eye, drawing blood, before the Crimson caught up with him. They left him crumpled in a heap on the field. Murphy was carried out on a stretcher and unceremoniously dumped onto a pile of blankets so that the medical personnel could get back to watching the game.

Yale's Al Jerrems '96 was the last player to leave the game by injury -- yet another blow to the head -- but not the last to be removed. Harvard's Hayes and Yale's Richard Armstrong '95 slugged their way to ejections. And the violence on the field spilled over to the postgame (Yale won 12-4), as rival fans fought in the streets on their way to the train station.

The following day, rumors swirled that Fred Murphy had died from his injuries. Not true: he merely stayed in a coma for several hours. Newspapers treated the game like a crisis, listing the injured players in the same format as dead or wounded disaster victims.

The public outcry following the game was swift and far-reaching. It had been by far the roughest, most blatantly violent "big game" yet played. The sport was now under fire from every corner of society. Members of the clergy and law enforcement officials issued denunciations. The press vilified Hinkey in particular, turning him into the poster boy for the anti-football movement. With support from the school presidents, the Harvard and Yale administrations suspended all athletic competition between the two schools for one year and football for two seasons. The Bloodbath in Hampden Park almost shut down the sport entirely.

Frank Hinkey was indeed one of the more violently aggressive players in the game of football -- perhaps in any sport. But he was also one of the best. Hailed by coaching legend Pop Warner as "the greatest football player of all time" for his combination of "determination and fighting spirit," he is one of only five players to be named an All-American four times. Hinkey's team suffered defeat only once in his career, versus Princeton (6-0) in 1893, in a game in which he was forced to the sidelines with a head wound. (Of course, Hinkey returned to the game, his head swathed in blood-soaked bandages.) All told, the Elis were 52-1 with 48 shutouts in a row while "the disembodied spirit" was at left end. the end

[JCMElway]

Hell, If Hinkey played pro ball he sounds like he'd be a shoo-in for Slap's team.

[Old Dude]

I've been working on my final depth charts and I have to make one last change.

I would absolutely love to keep Duke Slater on this team, but it's not going to be possible unless I radically change his position. There is just no way that a 6'0 210 lb dude can contribute much on the LOS in the era where most of my team comes together. I just don't have enough info on his speed or range to determine whether he could be shifted to LB or S, so I have to let him go.

I will use that slot to pick up my last player, who I am pretty sure could play a role on this team:

Dave Robinson, OLB, Packers, Redskins (1963-1974)

[Old Dude]

So, in terms of my depth charts, here is the one that reflects the players snapped up with a time machine and popped onto the field:

QB: Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman
HB: Floyd Little, Whizzer White
FB: Jim Brown, Marion Motely
WR: Don Hutson, Don Maynard, Bobby Mitchell, Mac Speedie
TE: Fred Arbanas, Cal Hubbard
OT: Anthony Munoz, Roosevelt Brown, Lou Groza
OG: Gene Upshaw, Gene Hickerson, Walt Sweeney
C: Jon Morris, Mel Hein

DT: Bob Lilly, Ernie Ladd, Ernie Stautner, Link Lyman
DE: Gino Marchetti, Len Ford, Joe Stydahar
OLB: Chuck Howley, Chris Hanburger, Dave Robinson, Les Richter
MLB: Tommy Nobis, Lee Roy Jordan
FS: Cliff Harris, Red Grange
SS: Emlen Tunnell, Ernie Nevers
CB: Emmit Thomas, Erich Barnes, Jack Butler

PK: Lou Groza, Les Richter
P: Sammy Baugh, Whizzer White
Returns: Mitchell & Little

HC: Paul Brown
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Average Rookie Year for the team: 1950.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

How many more picks till the draft ends?

I have a fist full of UDFAs to sign. ;D

[Old Dude]

Ray Finkle is on the clock until 8:30 AM CST. Youcan, Dipso, and Mr. Trout are on deck. And then I get Mr. Irrelevant!

Bump.

And my understanding is that Oskie will, at some point soon, make six final picks for the Bronco LB 52 team.

Then free agency, for those who want it...

[Ray Finkle]

I go with Chuck Cecil.....It's a homer pick, I just liked him....

[Old Dude]

Youcandoit is on the clock until 5:30 pm

Dipso and Mr. Trout are on deck.

[JCMElway]

As far as free agency goes, I say we should not have it. If we're going to have the O Maners evaluate our teams, they should have an even roster size. Not everyone is going to do the free agency system, so the roster sizes would not be equal.

Hmmmmmm....I think we can go ahead and add free agents, but when we have everyone evaluate our teams those free agent pickups are not on the roster, only the original 41.

Do we want to do free agency like SoCal did in the mock draft? That is, have a set amount of money to spend and then have guys bid on players. Monday would be QBs, Tuesday RBs, etc..... And how much $ should every general manager get? $500? $1,000? $5,000?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

As far as free agency goes, I say we should not have it. If we're going to have the O Maners evaluate our teams, they should have an even roster size. Not everyone is going to do the free agency system, so the roster sizes would not be equal.

Hmmmmmm....I think we can go ahead and add free agents, but when we have everyone evaluate our teams those free agent pickups are not on the roster, only the original 41.

Do we want to do free agency like SoCal did in the mock draft? That is, have a set amount of money to spend and then have guys bid on players. Monday would be QBs, Tuesday RBs, etc..... And how much $ should every general manager get? $500? $1,000? $5,000?

I was just going to throw out the 6-8 names I still have on my board when the draft ends for fun. I seriously doubt anyone will pick any of them in these last few picks as most are pretty obscure. I think we should put the evaluation out without the free agents.

[Old Dude]

Dipso is on the clock until 5:30 am.

Mr. Trout and JCM are on deck.

Youcandoit can make one pick at any time. Bronco LB 52 can make 6 picks.

[Rocket 7]

Isiah Robertson LB

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[Old Dude]

JCM is on the clock.

Youcandoit can make one pick at any time. Bronco LB 52 can make 6 picks.

[youcandoit1687]

alright sorry to miss a pick. been outta town for fball. for my last pick im gonna select one time pro bowler but a member of two great defensive teams, the dolphins and bears....Adewale Ogunleye, DE Bears/Dolphins
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im all for free agency and the roster showdown. problem will be older teams like old dude, JCM, and slap(you all continue to amaze me with your research) vs. newer teams like myself and killericon but its all for fun and i say the rules should just be who do you think would win/be the best since thats what its all about. whats the format, 16-team bracket?

[Old Dude]

Time to finish up Bronco LB 52's picks. I don't know what happened to him, and it's a shame because he was off to a great start. Oskie indicated he didn't have enough time, so I'm just going to finish the roster myself.

Here's what he had:

01 WR Jerry Rice
02 DT Mean Joe Greene
03 QB Peyton Manning
04 RB Bo Jackson
05 LB Sam Huff
06 CB Herb Adderley
07 LB Ted Hendricks
08 OT Frank "Bruiser" Kinard
09 DE Elvin Bethea
10 OG Ron Mix
11 OT Larry Little
12 WR Charley Taylor
13 S Edward Reed
14 S Billy Thompson
15 RB Leroy Kelly
16 DB Albert Lewis
17 C Bob Kuechenberg
18 LB Robert Brazile
19 DT Larry Brooks
20 DT Fred Dean
21 TE Todd Christiansen
22 QB Joe Namath
23 WR Tommy McDonald
24 WR Otis Taylor
25 HC George “Papa Bear” Halas
26 C Kent Hull
27 HB Paul Hourning
28 AC Bill Arnsparger
29 OLB Maxie Baughan
30 S Carnell Lake
31 DE George Andrie
32 DE Ben Davidson
33 QB Bobby Layne
34 DT Houston Antwine
35 CB Speedy Duncan

His team spans several decades, but most of the players seem to be clustered around the late 60s and early 70s.

His biggest problem is on the offensive line where he has no depth and only one guy at each position.

Pick 36: Rich Saul, OL. Rams, 1970-81 (6-time pro bowler - played C, G & T)
Pick 37: Dan Fortmann, G, Bears, 1936-43 (Hall of Famer)

Needs a LB:

Pick 38: We'll give him Denver's own Bob Swenson.


He could also use a backup TE, so we'll give him

Pick 39: Billy Joe Dupree, TE, Dallas, 1973-83 (3 pro bowls)


Hourning can placekick, but he needs a punter. Here, we'll give him

Pick 40: Rohn Stark, P, Colts, Steelers, Panthers 1982-97. (frequent pro-bowler)

Finally, with pick 41, we'll give him a Hall of Famer who could do a little of everything:

Charley Trippi QB, HB, DB, PR Cardinals (1947-55)

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Great Picks.

Swenson is one of my all time favorite Broncos. I believe he married the woman who used to ride the horse at the games and he lived in the area for some time. Haven't heard anything about him in several years. Would be nice to know what he is up to these days.

Rich Saul's twin brother Ron was a pretty good LB in the league for a number of years and was actually a better prospect coming out of college than Ron, but he seemed to have quite a few injuries and was never the superstar that he might have been.

Dupree was kind of like Shannon Sharp. An average blocker, but he could really get down field and catch the ball.

When I think of Stark, my first thought is consistency

[Old Dude]

Dan Fortmann was a key part of the Monsters of the Midway. Entered the League at only 19, because he skipped a few grades, and earned a medical degree at the U. of Chicago while playing football. Later became a surgeon and director of one of LA's biggest hospitals. He was considered undersized, but was blazing fast, so he might be able to double as a LB.

Charley Trippi, as a QB, led the Cards to their last NFL title. Later in his career, he was an excellent DB. He was also one of the more feared punt & kick returners in the league.

[Old Dude]

So now, in terms of the 41-man draft, I guess we're just waiting on BMF Bronco, who still seems to have has two picks outstanding, and JCM to select Mr. Irrelevant.

[Old Dude]

To help out with organization, it would be nice if each of you could list your picks in the following format, according to the order in which you acquired them. I've started the ball rolling with the teams for -Slap- , myself and Bronco LB 52.



-Slap- : Johnny Unitas, Earl Campbell, Shannon Sharpe, John Hannah, Randy Gradishar, Jack Ham, Doug Atkins, Lenny Moore, Torry Holt, Dennis Smith, Buck Buchanan, Brian Dawkins, Bob "Boomer" Brown, Aeneas Williams, Russ Washington, Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb, Andre Tippett, Olin Kruetz, Lemar Parrish, Curtis Martin, Charles Haley, Rick Upchurch, Joe Gibbs (HC), Fred Smerlas, Keith Jackson, Bob Hayes WR, Keith Byars, Ed White, Matt Blair, Coy Bacon, Ray Donaldson, Neil Lomax, Pat McInally, David Akers, Cornell Green, Andy Russell, Ron Wolfley, Jim Lachey, Raymond Clayborn, Jeff Siemon, Joe Washington.

Old Dude: Jim Brown, Anthony Munoz, Bob Lilly, Sammy Baugh, Don Hutson, Gino Marchetti, Marion Motely, Emlen Tunnell, Mel Hein, Red Grange, Gene Upshaw, Tommy Nobis, Roosevelt Brown, Cliff Harris, Len Ford, Ernie Stautner, Chuck Howley, Gene Hickerson, Fred Arbanas, Bobby Mitchell, Paul Brown (HC), Les Richter, Lou Groza, Don Maynard, Emmitt Thomas, Floyd Little, Sid Luckman, Ernie Ladd, Chris Hanburger, Lee Roy Jordan, Whizzer White, Jack Butler, Erich Barnes, Mac Speedie, Jon Morris, Joe Stydahar, Ernie Nevers, Link Lyman, Cal Hubbard, Walt Sweeney, Dave Robinson.

Bronco LB 52: Jerry Rice, Mean Joe Greene, Peyton Manning, Bo Jackson, Sam Huff, Herb Adderley, Ted Hendricks, Frank "Bruiser" Kinard, Elvin Bethea, Ron Mix, Larry Little, Charley Taylor, Edward Reed, Billy Thompson, Leroy Kelly, Albert Lewis, Bob Kuechenberg, Robert Brazile, Larry Brooks, Fred Dean, Todd Christiansen, Joe Namath, Tommy McDonald, Otis Taylor, George “Papa Bear” Halas (HC), Kent Hull, Paul Hourning, Bill Arnsparger (DC), Maxie Baughan, Carnell Lake, George Andrie, Ben Davidson, Bobby Layne, Houston Antwine, Speedy Duncan, Rich Saul, Dan Fortmann, Bob Swenson, Billy Joe Dupree, Rohn Stark, Charley Trippi.

[youcandoit1687]

toad was the original owner of my team correct? and nobody else?

[Old Dude]

Yeah, as i recall.

[Mr. Trout]

I select Randy Cross, C, info to follow.

[Mr. Trout]

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http://www.crespifootball.com/artman/uploads/randy_cross_s.jpg

Randy Cross (b. April 25, 1954 in New York) is a football analyst and former NFL lineman.


College career

At UCLA Cross was a two-time All-America selection and helped lead his team to the 1976 Rose Bowl championship.


Pro Career

In 1976, he was selected in the second-round of the NFL Draft by the San Francisco 49ers; his 13-year career included three All-Pro selections, three Pro Bowl selections and three Super Bowl championships.

From 1989-1993, Cross was a member of the CBS Sports team that covered the NFC playoffs and Super Bowl XXVI. In addition, he served as an analyst for CBS Radio Sports' coverage of Super Bowl XXIV.

Cross left CBS to join NBC Sports as a football analyst for NFL telecasts and a part-time analyst for Notre Dame football games. In 1998, he returned to CBS Sports as a game analyst before serving as a studio analyst on The NFL Today from 1999-2001. He eventually returned to his game analyst duties in 2002.

He lives in Alpharetta, Georgia, with his wife, Patrice, and their three children. Randy Cross attended Crespi Carmelite High School in Encino, California.

[Old Dude]

Oops. Sorry I skipped you there. Excellent pick.

Now, JCM is on the clock for the final pick.

[Killericon]

Oops. Sorry I skipped you there. Excellent pick.

Now, JCM is on the clock for the final pick.

:Whaaaa!:

[Mr. Trout]

Oops. Sorry I skipped you there. Excellent pick.

Now, JCM is on the clock for the final pick.


no worries..Welcome aboard Mr. Cross!

[Mr. Trout]

To help out with organization, it would be nice if each of you could list your picks in the following format, according to the order in which you acquired them. I've started the ball rolling with the teams for -Slap- , myself and Bronco LB 52.



-Slap- : Johnny Unitas, Earl Campbell, Shannon Sharpe, John Hannah, Randy Gradishar, Jack Ham, Doug Atkins, Lenny Moore, Torry Holt, Dennis Smith, Buck Buchanan, Brian Dawkins, Bob "Boomer" Brown, Aeneas Williams, Russ Washington, Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb, Andre Tippett, Olin Kruetz, Lemar Parrish, Curtis Martin, Charles Haley, Rick Upchurch, Joe Gibbs (HC), Fred Smerlas, Keith Jackson, Bob Hayes WR, Keith Byars, Ed White, Matt Blair, Coy Bacon, Ray Donaldson, Neil Lomax, Pat McInally, David Akers, Cornell Green, Andy Russell, Ron Wolfley, Jim Lachey, Raymond Clayborn, Jeff Siemon, Joe Washington.

Old Dude: Jim Brown, Anthony Munoz, Bob Lilly, Sammy Baugh, Don Hutson, Gino Marchetti, Marion Motely, Emlen Tunnell, Mel Hein, Red Grange, Gene Upshaw, Tommy Nobis, Roosevelt Brown, Cliff Harris, Len Ford, Ernie Stautner, Chuck Howley, Gene Hickerson, Fred Arbanas, Bobby Mitchell, Paul Brown (HC), Les Richter, Lou Groza, Don Maynard, Emmitt Thomas, Floyd Little, Sid Luckman, Ernie Ladd, Chris Hanburger, Lee Roy Jordan, Whizzer White, Jack Butler, Erich Barnes, Mac Speedie, Jon Morris, Joe Stydahar, Ernie Nevers, Link Lyman, Cal Hubbard, Walt Sweeney, Dave Robinson.

Bronco LB 52: Jerry Rice, Mean Joe Greene, Peyton Manning, Bo Jackson, Sam Huff, Herb Adderley, Ted Hendricks, Frank "Bruiser" Kinard, Elvin Bethea, Ron Mix, Larry Little, Charley Taylor, Edward Reed, Billy Thompson, Leroy Kelly, Albert Lewis, Bob Kuechenberg, Robert Brazile, Larry Brooks, Fred Dean, Todd Christiansen, Joe Namath, Tommy McDonald, Otis Taylor, George “Papa Bear” Halas (HC), Kent Hull, Paul Hourning, Bill Arnsparger (DC), Maxie Baughan, Carnell Lake, George Andrie, Ben Davidson, Bobby Layne, Houston Antwine, Speedy Duncan, Rich Saul, Dan Fortmann, Bob Swenson, Billy Joe Dupree, Rohn Stark, Charley Trippi.


damn that seems like a lot of work. What is this for exactly?

[Mr. Trout]

Mr. Trout’s Team Depth Chart

OFFENSE
QB, Fran Tarkenton, Eli Manning, Tony Canadeo or Nolan Cromwell
RB Tony Dorsett, Steven Jackson, Tony Canadeo
FB, Larry Csonka, Jason Witten
WR, Andre Reed, Steve Smith (KR, PR)
WR, Irving Fryar, Roy Williams
TE, Antonio Gates, Jason Witten
T, Richmond Webb, Tarik Glenn
G, Mike Munchack, Mike Wahle
C, Mark Stepnoski, Randy Cross
G, Alan Faneca, Mike Wahle
T, John Runyan, Tarik Glenn

DEFENSE
DE, Deacon Jones, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
DT, Jamal Williams, Howie Long
DT, Kevin Williams, Chris Hovan
DE, Howie Long, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
OLB, Bobby Bell, Darryl Talley
MLB, Mike Peterson, James Farrior
OLB, Keith Bulluck, Darryl Talley
CB, Darrel Green, Rashean Mathis
CB, Louis Wright, Antoine Winfield
S, Jack Tatum, Nolan Cromwell
S, Troy Polamalu, Nolan Cromwell
K, Gary Anderson
P, Shane Lechler
Coach, Hank Stram

[Clockwork Orange]

After some behind the scenes discussion, we are completing Clockwork's Roster with two of the guys I dropped: Charles Mann and Steve Jordan. He could use depth at both positions, and they fit reasonably well into the average era where he's drafted (early 1990s).

(No one else seems too excited about them anyway).

Many thanks for completing my squad. :thumbs:

[youcandoit1687]

Ok, well going through the whole draft. there are two huge names missing IMO and so im going to have to make room for them....
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Anquan Boldin will go on my roster instead of William Fuller because anybody who has averaged 6.6 catches a game and 1134 yards a year in his first three years, and shattered the rookie receiver catches record is worth a spot in my book.Boldin also set an NFL record for most receiving yards in his first game (217). Boldin also holds an NFL record for most receptions in the first 26 games of an NFL player (157). he has also been in the top 5 in receptions and yards when healthy(03 nad 05)

My second change will be.....
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he will be added in place of the recently added Adewale Ogunleye and we all know his stat lines....which of course will be added to a ton this year and for years to come

[youcandoit1687]

Toad/Youcandoit
QB - Steve Young, Archie Manning
RB – Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson
FB/HB – John Riggins, William Henderson, Doak Walker
WR - John Stallworth, Anquan Boldin,Anthony Miller
WR - Hines Ward, Javon Walker, Keyshawn Johnson
TE - Tony Gonzalez, LeBron James
T - Art Shell
G - Billy Shaw
C - Clyde "Bulldog" Turner
G - Jimbo Covert
T - Ron Yary
DE - Julius Peppers
DT - Henry Jordan, Bob Baumhower
DT - Tony Siragusa
DE - Trevor Pryce, Willie McGinest
OLB - Dave Wilcox
MLB - Mike Singletary, Jeremiah Trotter
OLB - Jonathan Vilma, Chuck Drazenovich
CB - Ty Law, Darien Gordon
FS - Roy Williams, Mike Brown
SS - Ronnie Lott
CB - Dan Sandifer

P - Brian Moorman
K - Ryan Longwell
R – Darien Gordon
Coach - Vince Lombardi

Toad/Youcandoit1687: Mike Singletary, Steve Young, Ronnie Lott, Art Shell, John Stallworth, John Riggins, Tony Gonzalez, Dave Wilcox, Hines Ward, Ty Law, Ron Yary, Jonathan Vilma, Clyde "Bulldog” Turner, Julius Peppers, Billy Shaw, Henry Jordan, Tony Siragusa, Shaun Alexander, Keyshawn Johnson, Trevor Pryce, Roy Williams, Doak Walker, James “Jimbo” Covert, Dan Sandifer, Mike Brown, Larry Johnson, William Henderson, Sam Madison, Anthony Miller, Bob Baumhower, Archie Manning, Chuck Drazenovich, Willie McGinest, Ryan Longwell, Brian Moorman, Darrien Gordon, Jeremiah Trotter, Anquan Boldin, LeBron James, Javon Walker
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[youcandoit1687]

are we having a free agency round and how will it work? i say we just throw out 5 players that are still on our boards...other ideas?

[Old Dude]

damn that seems like a lot of work. What is this for exactly?

To compile master list of players drafted, by whom, and more or less in the order in which they were taken. For a third party looking at this draft, that would probably be the most interesting aspect of the whole thing. And since some of the participants want to show off their teams to the O-Mane as a whole, that would help a lot.

And it is a lot of work, which is why I'm asking for help on it. Otherwise. I'll have to go through and do it myself.

[Old Dude]

Arkie: John Elway, Dan Hampton, Eric Dickerson, Alan Page, Steve Largent, Willie Lanier, Jim Otto, Larry Wilson, Mike Ditka, Chris Doleman, Larry Allen, Ricky Jackson, Mel Renfro, James Lofton, Leslie O'Neal, Chris Hinton, Howard Griffith, Ruben Brown, Lester Hayes, George Kunz, Donnie Shell, Greg Lloyd, Mark Clayton, Sam Mills, Tim McDonald, Mel Gray, Jay Novacek, Roger Craig, Bill Bergey, Dennis Harrah, Gary Clark, La'Roi Glover, Jim Kelly, Garo Yepremian, Darren Bennett, Alan Ameche, Al Blozis, Marv Levy (HC), John Taylor, Ralph Neely, Bobby Boyd.


CB24/BMF: Walter Payton, Tom Brady, Rod Smith, Ozzie Newsome, Michael Strahan, Willie Brown, Brian Urlacher, Dante Lavelli, Dan Dierdorf, Terrell Owens, Karl Mecklenburg, Kyle Turley, Jan Stenrud, Lyle Alzado, Bill Romanowski, Deron Cherry, Edgerrin James, Kevin Mawae, Lenny Dawson, Howard Mudd, Dick Stanfel, Cory Schlessinger, Adam Archuleta, Jeff Saturday, Bryant Young, LeRoy Butler, Pepper Johnson, Bill Bellichek (HC), Keith Millard, Sean Landetta, Levon Kirkland, Keenan McCardell, Erasmus James, Otis Anderson, Hardy Nickerson, Alfred Williams, Ahman Green, Kyle Brady, Mike Vrabel, Braylon Edwards, Rulon Jones.


Phisig: Barry Sanders, Jack Lambert, Merlin Olsen, Rod Woodson, Steve Atwater, Derrick Brooks, Mel Blount, John Randle, Marvin Harrison, Bruce Matthews, Willie Roaf, Dwight Freeney, John Lynch, Jeremy Shockey, Isaac Bruce, Joey Porter, Adam Vinatieri, Steve Wisenewski, Matt Birk, Steve Hutchinson, Richard Seymour, Donovan McNabb, Jimmy Smith, Dante Hall, Todd Sauerbrun, Terrell Suggs, Donnie Edwards, Patrick Surtain, Jason Taylor, Wesley Walls, Kevin Gogan, Bill Cowher (HC), Chris Samuels, Sonny Jurgenson, Chris Spielman, Nick Mangold, Brock Marion, Reggie Wayne, D'Brickshaw Ferguson, Corey Dillion, Rocky Blier.


Eddie Mac: Joe Montana, Deion Sanders, Gale Sayers, Lance Alworth, Walter Jones, Bronko Nagurski, Lee Roy Selmon, Richard Dent, Raymond Berry, Bill George , Kevin Greene, Tom Mack, Willie Wood, Frank Gatski, Yale Lary, Arnie Weinmeister, Ben Coates, Cornelius Bennett, Lomas Brown, Nick Buoniconti, Bill Fralic, Frank Minnifield, Fred Biletnikoff, Franco Harris, Ray Childress, George Blanda, George Connor, Dave Grayson, Chuck Noll (HC), Ed Budde, Riley Odoms, Michael Dean Perry, Keith Brooking, Dwight Hicks, Art Powell, Jevon Kearse, Mick Tingelhoff, Ricky Watters, Butch Byrd, Y A Tittle, Harvey Martin.


Big Guy: Bubba Smith, John Mackey, OJ Simpson, Paul Warfield, Ed Too Tall Jones, Randy White, Roger Staubach, Lem Barney, Joe Schmidt, Jim Ringo, Joe Delamielleure, Bob St Clair, Alex Karras, Harold Carmichael, Jim Taylor, Jerry Kramer, Dick LeBeau, Stan Jones, Jim Marshall, Brad Van Pelt, Dick Anderson, Wayne Walker, Bob Griese, Frank Gifford, Tom Brookshier, Joe Perry, Jake Scott, Fred Dryer, Winston Hill, Dave Butz, Abe Woodson, Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, Boyd Dowler, Scott Studwell, Max Montoya, Don Chandler, Charlie Ane, Steve Nelson, Joe Don Looney, Clay Mathews, Bob Trumpy.



-Slap- : Johnny Unitas, Earl Campbell, Shannon Sharpe, John Hannah, Randy Gradishar, Jack Ham, Doug Atkins, Lenny Moore, Torry Holt, Dennis Smith, Buck Buchanan, Brian Dawkins, Bob "Boomer" Brown, Aeneas Williams, Russ Washington, Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb, Andre Tippett, Olin Kruetz, Lemar Parrish, Curtis Martin, Charles Haley, Rick Upchurch, Joe Gibbs (HC), Fred Smerlas, Keith Jackson, Bob Hayes WR, Keith Byars, Ed White, Matt Blair, Coy Bacon, Ray Donaldson, Neil Lomax, Pat McInally, David Akers, Cornell Green, Andy Russell, Ron Wolfley, Jim Lachey, Raymond Clayborn, Jeff Siemon, Joe Washington.


Old Dude: Jim Brown, Anthony Munoz, Bob Lilly, Sammy Baugh, Don Hutson, Gino Marchetti, Marion Motely, Emlen Tunnell, Mel Hein, Red Grange, Gene Upshaw, Tommy Nobis, Roosevelt Brown, Cliff Harris, Len Ford, Ernie Stautner, Chuck Howley, Gene Hickerson, Fred Arbanas, Bobby Mitchell, Paul Brown (HC), Les Richter, Lou Groza, Don Maynard, Emmitt Thomas, Floyd Little, Sid Luckman, Ernie Ladd, Chris Hanburger, Lee Roy Jordan, Whizzer White, Jack Butler, Erich Barnes, Mac Speedie, Jon Morris, Joe Stydahar, Ernie Nevers, Link Lyman, Cal Hubbard, Walt Sweeney, Dave Robinson.


Bronco LB 52: Jerry Rice, Mean Joe Greene, Peyton Manning, Bo Jackson, Sam Huff, Herb Adderley, Ted Hendricks, Frank "Bruiser" Kinard, Elvin Bethea, Ron Mix, Larry Little, Charley Taylor, Edward Reed, Billy Thompson, Leroy Kelly, Albert Lewis, Bob Kuechenberg, Robert Brazile, Larry Brooks, Fred Dean, Todd Christiansen, Joe Namath, Tommy McDonald, Otis Taylor, George “Papa Bear” Halas (HC), Kent Hull, Paul Hourning, Bill Arnsparger (DC), Maxie Baughan, Carnell Lake, George Andrie, Ben Davidson, Bobby Layne, Houston Antwine, Speedy Duncan, Rich Saul, Dan Fortmann, Bob Swenson, Billy Joe Dupree, Rohn Stark, Charley Trippi.


Dipso: Otto Graham, Terrell Davis, Ray Lewis, Cris Carter, Dwight Stephenson, Ken Houston, Steve Van Buren, Jimmy Johnson, Randall McDaniel, Rich "Tombstone" Jackson, Jackie Smith, Kenny Easley, Roger Wehrli, Joe Jacoby, Mike Curtis, Leo "The Lion" Nomellini, Herman Moore, Chad Johnson, Lorenzo Neal, Mark Gastineau, Joe Fortunato, Roger Brown, Bruce Armstrong, Don Shula (HC), Guy McIntyre, Terry Bradshaw, Gilbert Brown, Jesse Tuggle, DeAngelo Hall, Bart Oates, Sean Taylor, Larry Centers, Conrad Dobler, Michael Sinclair, Mike Vanderjagt, Herschel Walker, Russ Francis, Bob Whitfield, Chris Gardocki, Terrance Mathis, Isiah Robertson


Toad/Youcandoit1687: Mike Singletary, Steve Young, Ronnie Lott, Art Shell, John Stallworth, John Riggins, Tony Gonzalez, Dave Wilcox, Hines Ward, Ty Law, Ron Yary, Jonathan Vilma, Clyde "Bulldog” Turner, Julius Peppers, Billy Shaw, Henry Jordan, Tony Siragusa, Shaun Alexander, Keyshawn Johnson, Trevor Pryce, Roy Williams, Doak Walker, James “Jimbo” Covert, Dan Sandifer, Mike Brown, Larry Johnson, William Henderson, Sam Madison, Vince Lombardi (HC), Anthony Miller, Bob Baumhower, Archie Manning, Chuck Drazenovich, Willie McGinest, Ryan Longwell, Brian Moorman, Darrien Gordon, Jeremiah Trotter, Anquan Boldin, LeBron James, Javon Walker.
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I'll keep editing this as the rosters are posted.

[JCMElway]

Sorry guys. Rough night last night.

The final selection is

Mike Kenn, T, Atlanta Falcons.

Mike Kenn has been a Fulton County resident since 1978 when he was the Atlanta Falcons' first round draft pick. He was an All-Pro selection three times and played in the Pro Bowl five consecutive times. Off of the field, Mike was the Falcons' representative to the NFL Players Association and was later elected to four consecutive two-year terms as president of that organization.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I am going to be scarce for the next couple of days so I will just throw out the names still on my board as my "Practice Squad" Just for grins.

Dick Schafrath – OT Browns

Dick Schafrath stepped in at left tackle for Lou Groza in 1960 and the team's offense never missed a beat. Schafrath manned the left tackle position for 12 seasons, playing a key role in the success of Hall of Fame running backs Jim Brown and Leroy Kelly and quarterback Frank Ryan. Schafrath was recognized as one of the game's elite offensive tackles throughout the 1960s, earning Pro Bowl nominations in six consecutive seasons (1964-69). The Browns selected Schafrath in the second round of the 1959 NFL Draft. Schafrath was a member of Cleveland's

Ross Browner, Defensive End Bengals
Here we go with our parade of great Notre Dame players in our 100 Greatest Players of All-Time. Love them or hate them, there is no greater or more storied program in college football history than Notre Dame, so it says just how great Ross Browner was that he might be considered the greatest Irish defensive lineman ever. The 6'3", 240 pounder from Warren, Ohio set Irish records for tackles by a defensive lineman and was the rock on defense for their 1977 national champions. A four year starter, he also played on the 1973 national title team.

The greatest ever?: When you say a player may be the greatest Notre Dame player ever at a position, you can assume they were one of the best to ever play college football. Browner was a complete defensive lineman able to stop the run and get in the backfield with equal skill. Browner set (and still holds) the records for tackles for a career by an Irish defensive lineman (these records were kept since 1956) with 340. He also set the modern Irish record (since 967) in tackles for loss in a year with 28 and 77 for a career. He also set the ND record for career fumble recoveries in a career with 12.

The awards: Browner was widely acknowledged as one of the best defensive college football players of the late 70's receiving several awards. Along with being 5th in the 1977 Heisman Trophy voting, he won the Outland in 1976, the Lombardi in 1977 and the Maxwell Award (for the top college football player) in 1977.

NFL career: Browner went on to a solid NFL career playing for the Cincinnati Bengals from 1979-1986 and Green Bay in 1987. He was taken with the 8th pick overall.

Gail Cogdill WR Detroit
Position: E
College: Washington State
Years a Lion: 1960-68

Panned out to be a steal in the 1960 draft when he was selected in the sixth round…Was NFL rookie of the year in 1960…Currently ranks seventh on the Lions’ all-time receiving list with 325 receptions for 5,221 yards and 28 TD’s…Detroit’s Most Valuable Player in 1962…Selected to three Pro Bowls in nine-year career…Racked up biggest day as pro against the Rams in 1964 with 165 yards and seven receptions…Never played football until senior year of high school. S

John David Crow – RB – Cardinals/49ers

A 6-foot-2, 218-pound running back at Texas A & M University, Crow was a consensus All-American and winner of the Heisman Trophy as the nation's best college player in 1957. In his three years as a starter, he carried the ball 296 times for 1,455 yards, a 4.9 average, and scored 19 touchdowns.

of the NFL's Chicago Cardinals in 1958, Crow was big enough to run between the tackles and fast and shifty enough to be a dangerous open-field runner. In his first regular season game as a professional, he ran 83 yards for a touchdown.

The Cardinals moved to St. Louis for the 1960 season, when Crow led the NFL in rushing average, with 5.9 yards per attempt. He was traded to the San Francisco 49ers in 1965 and retired after the 1968 season. Crow played in four Pro Bowls.

In his 11 years as a professional, Crow gained 4,963 yards on 1,157 attempts, a 4.3 average, and 38 touchdowns. He had 258 pass receptions for 3,699 yards, a 14.3 average, and 35 touchdowns.

Crow was football coach and athletic director at Northeast Louisiana University from 1975 through 1980, compiling a 20-34-1 record



Stein, Bob LB Squaws

Stein’s brother was the QB on my HS team. He was married to the daughter of the first owner of the Timberwolves. He paid the price for his football career as I believe he has two artificial knees.

After an All-America career at the University of Minnesota and a seven-year NFL career, Stein was the first general manager of the Minnesota Timberwolves of the NBA.

Birth and Death Dates:
b. January 22, 1948

Career Highlights:
Stein played at Minnesota for three seasons and was consensus first team All-American at defensive end in 1967 and 1968. In 1967, the Gophers finished tied with Indiana for the Big Ten title with a conference record of 6-1-0. Despite defeating the Hoosiers, 33-7, the Gophers did not play in the Rose Bowl because of the Big Ten's tiebreaking rule: Minnesota had played in the Rose Bowl more recently. The Gophers finished the season with a record of 8-2-0 and were ranked No. 14 in the United Press poll.

In the opening game of the 1968 season, the Gophers faced defending national champion USC and their star running back, O.J. Simpson. Although no one ever claimed responsibility, it was arranged that the grass would not be cut for two weeks before the game and the sprinklers somehow got left on for a day or two before the game. Stein later said of Simpson's attempts to use his speed on the soggy field, "He was slowed down to everyone else's speed.'' The Gophers still lost the game, 29-20, and no one ever admitted to the game-field shenanigans. Minnesota finished the season ranked No. 18 in the UP poll with a record of 6-4-0 (5-2-0, fourth in the Big Ten).

After graduating in 1969, Stein was selected by the Kansas City Chiefs in the fifth round (126th overall) of the NFL Draft. That season, Stein played in all 14 regular season games as the Chiefs had a record of 11-3-0 and won the AFL West. After winning their first two playoff games, the Chiefs played in the final AFL-NFL Championship game before the leagues merged. It was the last game played by an AFL team and the Chiefs wore patches on their uniforms commemorating the ten-year existence of the league. The Chiefs defeated the Minnesota Vikings, 23-7, and gave the AFL its last moment of glory.

Stein played three more seasons with the Chiefs, who only made the playoffs once in that span. In 1971, they finished 11-3-1, but lost in the first round of the playoffs to the Miami Dolphins, 27-24 in overtime. In 1973, Stein moved to the Los Angeles Rams and played two seasons for the franchise. The Rams had a combined record of 22-6-0 and won the NFC West both years, but did not reach the Super Bowl during Stein's tenure with the team. In 1975, Bob played three games for the San Diego Chargers before finishing the season with his hometown Minnesota Vikings. He played nine games for the Vikings, who won the NFC Central with a record of 12-2-0, but lost to the Dallas Cowboys in the playoffs. Stein retired following the 1975 season after playing in 89 career NFL games.

Career Dates:
Stein p layed at the University of Minnesota from 1966-1968. He then played linebacker in the NFL for the Kansas City Chiefs from 1969-1972, with the Los Angeles Rams from 1973-1974, the San Diego Chargers in 1975, and for the Minnesota Vikings in 1975.

Physical description:
6'3", 235 pounds



Tom Ramsey QB Patriots



Just because he lives in my neighborhood and is a nice guy. He has great, fun kids and he gives out autographed pictures at 2nd grade “what does daddy do day”



Chester Marcol – K Packers



Probably deserves consideration for the all whacko team. Drunken kicker and the pride of Hillsdale College.



Bill Simpson – S – LA Rams



Former Opponent and teammate. Was terrible at LA his first year until they discovered he was allergic to the chemicals used to treat the grass in the stadium. I found a picture of him but could not get it to copy. In the picture he had a 'fro and bore a resemblance to Napoleon Dynomite. Didn't have the 'fro when I knew him. His son was the punter at Fresno State and graduated a couple of years ago.



Gene Washington WR Vikings



Not the softee from San Fran. Washington paved the way for the tall fast, athletic WRs to come





Chuck Foreman RB Vikings



Can’t believe he wasn’t picked. One tough runner



Paul Neumauf LB – Lions



Fast and Smart – Would have fit well with the current Broncos



Clinton Jones RB Vikings



Another very good runner for the Vikings whose career was marred by injuries.

[eddie mac]

The Fighting Irish in draft order

Joe Montana, Deion Sanders, Gale Sayers, Lance Alworth, Walter Jones, Bronko Nagurski, Lee Roy Selmon, Richard Dent, Raymond Berry, Bill George , Kevin Greene, Tom Mack, Willie Wood, Frank Gatski, Yale Lary, Arnie Weinmeister, Ben Coates, Cornelius Bennett, Lomas Brown, Nick Buoniconti, Bill Fralic, Frank Minnifield, Fred Biletnikoff, Franco Harris, Ray Childress, George Blanda, George Connor, Dave Grayson, Chuck Noll, Ed Budde, Riley Odoms, Michael Dean Perry, Keith Brooking, Dwight Hicks, Art Powell, Jevon Kearse, Mick Tingelhoff, Ricky Watters, Butch Byrd, Y A Tittle, Harvey Martin

[Old Dude]

In terms of free agents, I think Pat Fischer would have been a good pickup. 18 year career, 3 pro bowls, and arguably the guy who "invented" the bump & run coverage technique.

Another Redskin: TE Jerry Smith. Great career stats, but a little misleading because he played as a WR for awhile. Came out of the closet when his career was over, opened a gay bar in Texas, and died of AIDS.

RB Lydell Mitchell: former Penn Stater (w/Franco Harris) had some great years with the Colts.

RB Otis Armstrong. Broke Little's rushing record with Denver. Teamed with Floyd for awhile in the "pony backfield."

Cliff Branch, WR. CU speedster who had many great seasons with the Raiders.

[eddie mac]

===In terms of free agents, I think Pat Fischer would have been a good pickup. 18 year career, 3 pro bowls, and arguably the guy who "invented" the bump & run coverage technique.

Another Redskin: TE Jerry Smith. Great career stats, but a little misleading because he played as a WR for awhile. Came out of the closet when his career was over, opened a gay bar in Texas, and died of AIDS.

RB Lydell Mitchell: former Penn Stater (w/Franco Harris) had some great years with the Colts.

RB Otis Armstrong. Broke Little's rushing record with Denver. Teamed with Floyd for awhile in the "pony backfield."

Cliff Branch, WR. CU speedster who had many great seasons with the Raiders.

In what format are we signing FA's, pick by pick same as the draft???

[youcandoit1687]

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In what format are we signing FA's, pick by pick same as the draft???

in that case, wouldnt it just be more regular rounds?

[JCMElway]

For free agency, let me know if this format works.

Everyone gets $1,000. You bid on the free agents by the day. We'll bid on:

QBs Monday
RBs on Tuesday
WR Wed
TE and Oline Thur
DL Friday
LB Monday
DB Tuesday
ST, K, and P on Wed

Whoever has the highest bid on a player by Midnight receives that player. Bidding on QBs will start at 12:01 Monday night.

**NOTE** These Free agent players will not be part of the 41 man roster for the rest of the O Mane to evaluate. Old Dude and I will probably start a thread displaying the depth charts for the teams and asking everyone to rank them. If you'd like to do a write-up for your squad and extoil their virtues you are more than welcome.

[JCMElway]

Here's my roster and depth chart.

Andersen, Morten
Bednarik, Chuck
Browner, Joey
Butkus, Dick
Carter, Rubin
Creekmur, Lou
Culp, Curley
Davis, Willie
Eller, Carl
Fouts, Dan
Gilchrist, Cookie
Gregg, Forrest
Hirsch, Crazy Legs
Jackson, Tom
Johnson, John Henry
Joiner, Charlie
Kenn, Mike
Klecko, Joe
Kramer, Ron
Landry, Tom
Lane, Night Train
Langer, Bob
Mays, Jerry
McElhenny, Hugh
Mitchell, Brian
Musso, George
Offerdahl, John
Pearson, Drew
Riley, Ken
Robinson, Johnny
Sanders, Charlie
Sestak, Tom
Smith, Emmit
Tasker, Steve
Taylor, Lionel
Thorpe, Jim
Tyrer, Jim
Walls, Everson
Webster, George
Willis, Bill


TCB Depth chart:

QB: Dan Fouts, Bob Waterford
RB: Emmit Smith, Jim Thorpe, Hugh McElhenny
FB: John Henry Johnson, Cookie Gilchrist
WR: Crazy Legs Hirsch, Drew Pearson, Steve Tasker
WR: Charlie Joiner, Lionel Taylor
TE: Charlie Sanders, Ron Kramer
OT: Forrest Gregg, Mike Kenn, Ron Karamer
OG: George Musso, Bill Willis, Mike Kenn
C: Bob Langer, Chuck Badnarik, Mike Kenn
OG: Lou Creekmur, Bill Willis, Mike Kenn
OT: JimTyrer, Mike Kenn, Jerry Mays

DE: Willie Davis, Jerry Mays
DT: Joe Klecko, Rubin Carter, Jerry Mays
DT: Curley Culp, Tom Sestak, Bill Willis
DE: Carl Eller, Bill Willis, George Webster
SOLB: Chuck Bednarik, John Offerdahl, Bill Willis
MLB: Dick Butkus, John Offerdahl
WOLB: Tom Jackson, George Webster, Bill Willis
CB: Dick Night Train Lane, Bob Waterford, Johnny Robinson
FS: Jim Thorpe, Johnny Robinson, Bill Willis
SS: Joey Browner, George Webster
CB: Everson Walls, Ken Riley

K: Morten Anderson
P: Jim Thorpe
KR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McElhenny
PR: Brian Mitchell, Hugh McEllhenny
ST: Steve Tasker
Third Down Back: Hugh McElhenny
Coach: Tom Landry

Nickel Back: Ken Riley
Dime back: Johnny Robinson

Kickoff players: Jim Thorpe (kicker), Brian Mitchell, Steve Tasker, Bob Waterford, Ron Kramer, Ken Riley, Johnny Robinson, Bill Willis, George Webster, John Henry Johnson, John Offerdahl

Kick receiving: The same as above, but replace Johnson with Gilchrist

Punting team: Jim Thorpe (P) Brian Mitchel*, Steve Tasker*, Bob Langer, Mike Kenn, Jim Tyrer, George Musso, Lou Creekmur, Bill Willis, Ken Riley, George Webster

* Gunners

Punt receiving: Brian Mitchel, Steve Tasker*, Ken Riley*, Ron Kramer, Lou Creekmur, Tom Sestak, John Offerdahl, Jerry Mays, George Webster, Bill Willis, Rubin Carter

Gunner blocker

Running carries per game

Emmit: 60%
Thorpe: 12%
Mcelhenny: 5% (Catching many passes out of the backfield)
Gilchrist: 18%, (Used often in Goal line situations)
Johnson: 5%

We'll start Emmit off strong in the 1st quarter and bring him back in the 4th. I would look to get Emmit at least 20 touches a game. Thorpe and Gilchrist will get the bulk of their carries in the 2nd and 3rd.

[Rocket 7]

Otto Graham, Terrell Davis, Ray Lewis, Cris Carter, Dwight Stephenson, Ken Houston, Steve Van Buren, Jimmy Johnson, Randall McDaniel, Rich "Tombstone" Jackson, Jackie Smith, Kenny Easley, Roger Wehrli, Joe Jacoby, Mike Curtis, Leo "The Lion" Nomellini, Herman Moore, Chad Johnson, Lorenzo Neal, Mark Gastineau, Joe Fortunato, Roger Brown, Bruce Armstrong, Don Shula, Guy McIntyre, Terry Bradshaw, Gilbert Brown, Jesse Tuggle, DeAngelo Hall, Bart Oates, Sean Taylor, Larry Centers, Conrad Dobler, Michael Sinclair, Mike Vanderjagt, Herschel Walker, Russ Francis, Bob Whitfield, Chris Gardocki, Terrance Mathis, Isiah Robertson

[youcandoit1687]

For free agency, let me know if this format works.

Everyone gets $1,000. You bid on the free agents by the day. We'll bid on:

QBs Monday
RBs on Tuesday
WR Wed
TE and Oline Thur
DL Friday
LB Monday
DB Tuesday
ST, K, and P on Wed

Whoever has the highest bid on a player by Midnight receives that player. Bidding on QBs will start at 12:01 Monday night.

**NOTE** These Free agent players will not be part of the 41 man roster for the rest of the O Mane to evaluate. Old Dude and I will probably start a thread displaying the depth charts for the teams and asking everyone to rank them. If you'd like to do a write-up for your squad and extoil their virtues you are more than welcome.

and how do we decide which players to be put up for bidding? and why not let them be up for evaluation, if everybody is gonna do FAs then why not include them

[-Slap-]

My 40 will beat anyone's 49.

Besides, you guys are going to have major playing time issues to resolve. Good luck telling perennial Pro Bowlers they're third string.

[JCMElway]

and how do we decide which players to be put up for bidding? and why not let them be up for evaluation, if everybody is gonna do FAs then why not include them

All players that are undrafted are up for bidding.

And the reason they are not up for evaluation by the Maners is that not everyone is going to take place in the FA period. We originally agreed to sign up to do 41 rounds; that's what we agreed to. Some folks have already taken off for the Summer, so it's not fair to tack something on when others have already made plans. The bottom line is not everyone agreed to participatin in the FA period, so it can't be in the evaluation. I'm all for having fun with it, tho'.

Besides, I think it will be a testament to our drafting skills to see who the best teams are, 41 on 41.

[JCMElway]

Oh, and we'll tack on a coaching part of FA on the Final Thursday.

[youcandoit1687]

Oh, and we'll tack on a coaching part of FA on the Final Thursday.

alright sounds good as well as the optional FA. since its just for kicks, why not make it more money. so this will be like d-coord and o-coord time?

i havent done any of these drafts before so i dont really know how it works but i have about 7 or 8 players id like to add and then oco dco. would this be on like a sunday when most ppl will be home?

[JCMElway]

i havent done any of these drafts before so i dont really know how it works but i have about 7 or 8 players id like to add and then oco dco. would this be on like a sunday when most ppl will be home?

Yeah, Ocord and Dcord's that kind of things. I think $1000, is OK. People will just have to watch their budgets.

And as for when we do it, it starts on Monday. Here's the schedule again.

For free agency, let me know if this format works.

Everyone gets $1,000. You bid on the free agents by the day. We'll bid on:

QBs Monday
RBs on Tuesday
WR Wed
TE and Oline Thur
DL Friday
LB Monday
DB Tuesday
ST, K, and P on Wed
Coaches on Thursday

Whoever has the highest bid on a player by Midnight receives that player. Bidding on QBs will start at 12:01 Monday night.