Blockbuster Trade Brewing For Nuggets?

[RhymesayersDU]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/39020/20060207/a_blockbuster_brewing/

A Blockbuster Brewing?
7th February, 2006 - 4:44 am

NY Daily News - Isiah Thomas is committed to revamping the Knicks' roster by the Feb. 23 trading deadline and is considering making a bid for Denver power forward Kenyon Martin.

According to a league source, the Nuggets are shopping Martin, who will earn $65 million through the 2010 season. Denver has also contacted Chicago about Martin, whose contract and medical history will prevent more teams from pursuing him. Martin, acquired in a sign-and-trade from the Nets two summers ago, has been slowed by knee and back problems this season. Thomas has two weeks to trade Penny Hardaway's expiring contract and has been in conversations with the Nuggets about point guard Earl Watson. According to published reports, the Knicks, Nuggets and Magic are discussing a deal that would bring Watson to New York and send Jamal Crawford to Orlando.

If the Knicks try to acquire both Martin and Watson, Denver may ask for rookie Channing Frye in return. Up to this point, Thomas has sent word that he does not want to trade any of his three rookies.

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I've been thinking all day about the Nugs and this deal, mainly because it seems like there is a real possibility of K-Mart being delt, which kinda sucks because he's such a likeable guy. Despite his injuries that frustrate all of us, he really is somebody that I think all of us genuinely like, and want to root for. He has that charisma, that swagger, etc. I know, I know, some of you (Clockwork! ;) ) are probably rolling your eyes at me, and believe me that I know why you guys don't like K-Mart. I hear your complaints, and even I am getting really tired of wondering before every game "Is Kenyon playing?"

But with that said, as much as I like him, the truth is he isn't un-touchable. The fact is, the Denver Nuggets need two things.

1) A real outside shooter
and/or
2) A true low post, back to the basket player

Great teams can either shoot the rock, or they have a good low post player who can score and open things up for other people. We have neither.

So, as sad as it will be to have to put my K-Mart jersey away, if we can deal him for a player to fill a need, or just to clear up cap space to sign somebody this off-season, I say we go for it.

The question may become, can Nene be that low post force we need? I really don't know. I've been real skeptical about him, and his injury this year doesn't help matters any.

[Rascal]

So we would send Kenyon and Watson for Penny? PASS!

[RhymesayersDU]

No, if we sent both K-Mart and Watson, we'd be getting Channing Frye, or a 1st round pick, or something like that, along with the Nickel's expiring contract.

I believe Watson for the Nickel may lead to another deal, since we freed up cap space. But, I am real bad with cap issues, so that's just my take on it.

[NaptownChief]

Zeke is sure doing a bang up job as GM....He must have more pictures on more power players than you can imagine. Did a horrible job with the Toronto, bankrupted the CBA, lousy job with the Pacers and yet keeps getting very high paying positions that he isn't even remotely qualified to get...He is the Matt Millen of the NBA...but worse.

[Clockwork Orange]

Zeke is sure doing a bang up job as GM....He must have more pictures on more power players than you can imagine. Did a horrible job with the Toronto, bankrupted the CBA, lousy job with the Pacers and yet keeps getting very high paying positions that he isn't even remotely qualified to get...He is the Matt Millen of the NBA...but worse.

And yet he keeps getting NBA front office jobs. Your guess is as good as mine as to how that keeps happening.

I've heard so many rumors about the Nuggets that I'm to the point of not believing anything until it happens.

[Rascal]

I'd be interested in Frye but why in the hell would we want Penny? Has the guy even been playing this year?

[orange 4 life]

No, if we sent both K-Mart and Watson, we'd be getting Channing Frye, or a 1st round pick, or something like that, along with the Nickel's expiring contract.

I believe Watson for the Nickel may lead to another deal, since we freed up cap space. But, I am real bad with cap issues, so that's just my take on it.

ill be fvcking pissed beyond belief if thats the way it goes down.

when francis' name came up, at least we were discussing a player who could potentially help us RIGHT NOW.
to trade for frye or a pick, we're essentially flushing this season down the drain (which is stupid considering we can win the division and have a #3 seed) and setting up for next season with a healthy hilario.
i dont like it.....at all.

[Nuggets4]

I've heard so many rumors about the Nuggets that I'm to the point of not believing anything until it happens.

Pretty much what I'm thinking. I have a good feeling we're going to make a big deal, but no idea for whom.

[GonzoLays]

I'd be interested in Frye but why in the hell would we want Penny? Has the guy even been playing this year?

You would want him for the cap space. Only big contracts on the nuggs are Andre Miller and Marcus Camby. You could sign a marquee free agent this summer.

[Rascal]

So I guess we are going to **** can the season then already?

Pathetic.

[bronco militia]

Zeke is sure doing a bang up job as GM....He must have more pictures on more power players than you can imagine. Did a horrible job with the Toronto, bankrupted the CBA, lousy job with the Pacers and yet keeps getting very high paying positions that he isn't even remotely qualified to get...He is the Matt Millen of the NBA...but worse.


my vote would go to Bernie Bickerstaff..

[Nuggets4]

So I guess we are going to **** can the season then already?

Pathetic.

Losing K-Mart means we're ****canning the season? Last time I checked, we only have Kenyon every other game anyway. I'm willing to make that trade off, especially considering we should still win our division.

[Nuggets4]

no way...that's Bernie Bickerstaff..

**** Bickerstaff. THat God damn son of a bitch ruined what could have been THE up and coming team in the NBA. But no, instead he has to go **** it all up. That SOB.

[Rascal]

At least that is a hell of a lot more then Penny who has played what four games this yer.

[Clockwork Orange]

**** Bickerstaff. THat God damn son of a b**** ruined what could have been THE up and coming team in the NBA. But no, instead he has to go **** it all up. That SOB.

Quoted for truth.

The '94 Nuggets that upset Seattle and then took Utah to 7 games had all the makings of a team on the verge of greatness, until Bickerstaff found a way to destroy it. I'll never forgive that prick.

[Clockwork Orange]

At least that is a hell of a lot more then Penny who has played what four games this yer.

Penny's expiring contract is the allure. He's finished as a player.

I'll take a pair of used sweat socks in exchange for dumping Kenyon's contract.

[Rascal]

So then who would be our #2 guard?

Melo, Frye, Andre, Camby, and who? It certainly isn't Penny, and Watson was making some progress IMO.

Trade Kenyon to somebody then for a player that at least as potential to do something rather then just giving him away.

[Clockwork Orange]

So then who would be our #2 guard?

Bite the bullet and start Buckner at the 2 for the rest of the season. Use the cap space cleared by this deal to pursue a shooting guard in the offseason.

[RhymesayersDU]

First off, I don't want to dump K-Mart for just anything. I think he had a pretty darn solid January, and assuming he can get right, I think he can be very productive for us. However, again, if there is a trade that we can't afford to pass up, so be it. He's not untouchable by any means, but I don't want to just dump him for nothing.

The beauty of making a trade for the future is that right now, the Northwest division is making the Atlantic Division look strong, as pathetic as that is.

Current Standings:

Denver 26 24
Utah 24 25
Minnesota 22 25
Seattle 19 29
Portland 17 29

We currently hold the 3rd seed in the West, and even if we traded for some young guys, like Channing Frye, we could still be competitive and get a top seed in the West. So I wouldn't be so quick as to say that we'd be giving up on the season.

What we need to remember is this. When Carmelo Anthony gets double teamed, he needs to be able to kick it out to somebody who has a legitimate chance at making the shot. Greg Buckner just ain't gunna cut it. Furthermore, we're gunna need money in a year or two to give Carmelo his max deal.

[Clockwork Orange]

Furthermore, we're gunna need money in a year or two to give Carmelo his max deal.

The Nuggets have Carmelo's Bird rights. The cap isn't an issue when it comes to giving him his new contract.

[RhymesayersDU]

The Nuggets have Carmelo's Bird rights. The cap isn't an issue when it comes to giving him his new contract.
That is good news, I guess.





Stupid question of the day: What are "bird rights?"

[Clockwork Orange]

That is good news, I guess.





Stupid question of the day: What are "bird rights?"

It's the loophole in the CBA that allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own players. If you have a players Bird rights, you can sign him for whatever (within the max contract limits of course) with no regard for the cap.

[RhymesayersDU]

So, how does a team get a player's Bird rights? Does that team have to have drafted the player? I guess my question is, do all the Nuggets have Bird Rights? Could we theoretically give all of them max contracts to ensure they never leave, if we wanted to?

[Nuggets4]

Channing Frye is probably the second best rookie this year. He has been a damn good player, and I can really see him being another Marcus Camby. I say get him and let him study under the current Camby. The 2 guard spot sucks as is. Losing Watson isn't going to cripple it. Crap, he's played pretty bad over the last week and a half anyway.

We're not winning the title this year. Why not try to jockey for better position for NEXT season when we might have a shot. There are two teams that could win the title this year, and unless you're DetRiot or San Antonio, you're just playing for third place.

[Clockwork Orange]

So, how does a team get a player's Bird rights? Does that team have to have drafted the player? I guess my question is, do all the Nuggets have Bird Rights? Could we theoretically give all of them max contracts to ensure they never leave, if we wanted to?

I'm not sure on all of the qualifications but I know that if a team drafts a player or trades for a player, they get his Bird rights.

Carmelo & Nene both fall into that category, so getting them inked to new deals should be no sweat.

[eddie mac]

Maybe if they are considering a trade here's a hint, why not go out and get a player that can play some defense???

Golden State 122 pts
Portland 104 pts
Utah 103 pts
LA Clippers 112 pts
LA Clippers 105 pts

Of all the teams in playoff position Denver has one of the worst defenses if you can call it that plus their rebounding is terrible!!

[Rascal]

So if we trade for Frye we get his bird rights then correct? Why would any team not give their top players a max contract and have them stick around then if they can can use it under "bird rights".

Do you guys think Nene will every amount to anything other then a waste of time? I am beginning to doubt it.

[Clockwork Orange]

So if we trade for Frye we get his bird rights then correct? Why would any team not give their top players a max contract and have them stick around then if they can can use it under "bird rights".

Yes, they'd have his Bird rights.

I imagine the reason teams don't do that is because of the luxury tax.

[bronco_diesel]

i'd be pretty happy if we can unload martin's contract and get frye in return.

i think martin can be good, but he is fairly old and batteling a ton of injuries.

frye is a pretty good rook who is going to be pretty solid. penny will come off the books and this should allow the nugs to finally address the 2 spot in the offseason...i hope.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I'm not sure on all of the qualifications but I know that if a team drafts a player or trades for a player, they get his Bird rights.


I know virtually nothing about the NBA cap so I'm probably way off, but I think trading for someone wouldn't necessarily give the receiving team the guy's Bird rights. I think it depends on how close he is to becoming a UFA, but with Frye being a rookie, the Nugs would definitely get them.

If the Nugs make this trade, what 2 guards are FAs this offseason?

[Rock Chalk]

**** Bickerstaff. THat God damn son of a b**** ruined what could have been THE up and coming team in the NBA. But no, instead he has to go **** it all up. That SOB.
:thumbsup:

I dont know what the hell Bickerstaff did, dont really care, I just like your attitude.

[GonzoLays]

I know virtually nothing about the NBA cap so I'm probably way off, but I think trading for someone wouldn't necessarily give the receiving team the guy's Bird rights. I think it depends on how close he is to becoming a UFA, but with Frye being a rookie, the Nugs would definitely get them.

If the Nugs make this trade, what 2 guards are FAs this offseason?

No, a way a team retains a players bird rights is if a player has three or more seasons in which he has not been released and plays in the NBA. So if Carmelo were traded NEXT SEASON to, lets just say, the Celtics, the Celtics would retain Carmelo's Bird Rights and they would be able to pay him the max regardless of the soft cap. Now, if Carmelo was released, and signed, oh lets just say, to the Heat, the Heat do not own his bird rights because he was waived.

A player must play three straight seasons without getting released to have bird rights. If he is released and signed by another team, then you get into a whole other animal in "early bird rights."

[Paladin]

I am absolutely befudled as to why Boykins is playing. There are times when he manages to throw away a game. Whenever he comes in, I start to feel edgy and nervous. It is hilarious to watch him try to drive against a bevy of 6'9" guys. I guess I miss the point o fhaving him in there. He really does change the pace, though. And the score usualy changes with him, too.

I like to watch Martin play, but if he isn't playing, why keep him?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

A player must play three straight seasons without getting released to have bird rights. If he is released and signed by another team, then you get into a whole other animal in "early bird rights."

So if this was Frye's 5th season and he was set to become a UFA this offseason, anyone who traded for him would still get his Bird rights? Assuming he'd never been released up to this point.

[Clockwork Orange]

So if this was Frye's 5th season and he was set to become a UFA this offseason, anyone who traded for him would still get his Bird rights? Assuming he'd never been released up to this point.

Yes. It was the same scenario last year when Michael Redd's contract was coming up. The Nuggets were interested in trading for him because they would have received his Bird rights along with him, giving them the ability to give him a max contract without regard for the cap.

[Nuggets4]

:thumbsup:

I dont know what the hell Bickerstaff did, dont really care, I just like your attitude.

And I've mellowed out over the last 10 years. I hate Bickerstaff. My old Nugs site used to have an ad banner that read "Bickerstaff Admits He's Satan".

[spdirty]

they can have that overpaid always hurt jaka$$ and his contract and we'll take a sixpack and VIP pass to Scores for all I care.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

One more time, what 2-guards will be available this summer?

[FantomForce]

Zeke is sure doing a bang up job as GM....He must have more pictures on more power players than you can imagine. Did a horrible job with the Toronto, bankrupted the CBA, lousy job with the Pacers and yet keeps getting very high paying positions that he isn't even remotely qualified to get...He is the Matt Millen of the NBA...but worse.
Well there is a first time for everything but naptown you are 100% right

[RhymesayersDU]

Top 25 Free Agents This Summer:

Peja Stojakovic, SF, Sacramento (Player option)
Ben Wallace, PF/C, Detroit
Jason Terry, PG, Dallas
Al Harrington, PF, Atlanta
Drew Gooden, PF, Cleveland (Restricted)
Bonzi Wells, SG/SF, Sacramento
Nene, PF/C, Denver (Restricted)
Matt Harpring, SG/SF, Utah
Joel Przybilla, C, Portland
Speedy Claxton, PG, New Orleans
Vladimir Radmanovic, SF/PF, Seattle
Bobby Jackson, PG/SG, Memphis
Keith Van Horn, SF/PF, Dallas
Melvin Ely, Charlotte (Restricted)
Sam Cassell, PG, Minnesota
Chris Wilcox, PF, LA Clippers (Restricted)
Mike James, Toronto (Player option)
Alonzo Mourning, Miami
James Posey, SG/SF, Miami (Player option)
Reggie Evans, PF, Seattle
John Salmons, Philadelphia (Restricted)
Ronald Murray, Seattle
Nazr Mohammed, C, San Antonio
Jared Jeffries, Washington (Restricted)
Michael Olowokandi, C, Minnesota

Other Free Agent SG's (Not on the Top-25 List):
Fred Jones, Indiana (Restricted)
Derek Anderson, Houston (Player option)
Jon Barry, Houston
DerMarr Johnson, Denver
Voshon Lenard, Denver
Keith Bogans, Charlotte
Anfernee Hardaway, New York
Jimmy Jackson, SG, Phoenix
Lamond Murray, New Jersey
Fred Hoiberg, Minnesota
Aaron McKie, LA Lakers (Player option)
Eric Piatkowski, Chicago
Greg Buckner, Denver (Player option)
Matt Carroll, Charlotte (Team option)
Shandon Anderson, Miami
Rawle Marshall, Dallas (Team option)
DeShawn Stevenson, Orlando (Player option)
Stacey Augmon, Orlando
Charles Smith, Portland
Linton Johnson, New Jersey
Bernard Robinson, Charlotte (Restricted)
Reece Gaines, Milwaukee
Tony Bobbitt, LA Lakers (Restricted)
Von Wafer, LA Lakers (Team option)
Alan Anderson, Charlotte (Team option)
Devin Green, LA Lakers

[Pendejo]

Didn't the Nuggets employ Bobby Jackson previously?

[Clockwork Orange]

Didn't the Nuggets employ Bobby Jackson previously?

The Nuggets originally drafted him.

[WABronco]

What'd you Nuggs fans think of the Flip Murray for Watson trade?

There are rumors that Flip's vetoed trades to Denver and Indiana, but he'd be an adequate offense-only 2 guard.

[Clockwork Orange]

What'd you Nuggs fans think of the Flip Murray for Watson trade?

There are rumors that Flip's vetoed trades to Denver and Indiana, but he'd be an adequate offense-only 2 guard.

Pass. I'd much rather keep Watson then deal him for Flip Murray.

[WABronco]

Pass. I'd much rather keep Watson then deal him for Flip Murray.

Yea, I know. Just tryin' to get the consensus...

Murray blows at everything but one on one. He can score, but once he gets the ball he literally drives to the cup and attempts to throw it down on 7 footers at least 50% of the time. Disgusting...

[RhymesayersDU]

I'd take Murray, but I'm really all for having a legitimate scorer, so I'd take anybody who was an offensive minded player at the 2-spot.

[-Slap-]

**** Bickerstaff. THat God damn son of a b**** ruined what could have been THE up and coming team in the NBA. But no, instead he has to go **** it all up. That SOB.
I wasn't a Nuggets fan. Heck, I didn't even know you yet, but I still watched that draft utterly outraged by the way Bickerstaff dismantled that team.

[-Slap-]

Zeke is sure doing a bang up job as GM....He must have more pictures on more power players than you can imagine. Did a horrible job with the Toronto, bankrupted the CBA, lousy job with the Pacers and yet keeps getting very high paying positions that he isn't even remotely qualified to get...He is the Matt Millen of the NBA...but worse.
My opinion of Matt Millen is well known around here. Isaiah Thomas is a far worse person than Millen could ever be.

[WABronco]

I'd take Murray, but I'm really all for having a legitimate scorer, so I'd take anybody who was an offensive minded player at the 2-spot.

He's got a nice stroke, can hit some threes, and is a nice one on one guy. But, he's a zero on D and he's the definition of ball hog. Like I said, once he gets it, he drives to the cup or pulls up. Never fails...

[BizzyBone7]

ill tell u what, im not a nuggets fan at all, but Bobby Jackson is looking real appealing to me. With Miller and him in the backcourt would be solid. ive always been a fan of the two Point guard backcourt, and Jackson has always been a favorite of mine. If not Wells is probably the next best option based on the ones u highlighted. He had a couple good years but always been an underachiever. i guess the blazers will do that to u.

[Clockwork Orange]

He's got a nice stroke, can hit some threes, and is a nice one on one guy. But, he's a zero on D and he's the definition of ball hog. Like I said, once he gets it, he drives to the cup or pulls up. Never fails...

Hmmmm, that sounds vaguely familiar.......

http://207.44.220.101/images/nba/4.2/wiretap/photos/Boykins_Earl_den_1.jpg

[RhymesayersDU]

Hmmmm, that sounds vaguely familiar.......

http://207.44.220.101/images/nba/4.2/wiretap/photos/Boykins_Earl_den_1.jpg
Yeah, but Murray doesn't dribble around in circles until there is 4 seconds left on the shot clock!

[epicSocialism4tw]

I'd take Murray, but I'm really all for having a legitimate scorer, so I'd take anybody who was an offensive minded player at the 2-spot.

I think that Denver will be looking to build around Anthony and his strengths. Denver needs a spot up two that can pull the double team defender back toward thw 3 point line so that Anthony can play with his back to the basket. They need a 3 point shooter who can penetrate sometimes, and who can cover some of Anthony's defensive deficiencies on the other end.

Just off the top of my head, Trenton Hassel comes to mind. The Nuggets would be smart to trade for him. Eric Piatkowski could be that type of player for Denver.

Denver doesnt need as much as some of you guys think. They have a very productive 2-way center which gives them a big advantage as a team. They have some guys who can bang at the 4 spot and give solid minutes. Martin is a beast when he's motivated. He can also defend some of the tough western conference forward matchups like Nowitzki and Garnett. They have a future all-star SF, and two solid options at point. What Denver needs is to even out their roster to play to the strengths of a few of their players (Camby, Miller, and Anthony), and to fill in the gaps with players who do the dirty work.

Kiki comes from the Dallas GM school of "load the boat down with talent, and then use that talent to position yourself for success". Denver is half way there. Now what they need to do is to wait on Anthony to develop and move some of their assets for talent that will compliment his game on both ends.

[WABronco]

Yeah, but Murray doesn't dribble around in circles until there is 4 seconds left on the shot clock!

True, by that time he's usually gotten rejected 3 times after trying to throw down on Yao Ming or something like that...;D

[Clockwork Orange]

True, by that time he's usually gotten rejected 3 times after trying to throw down on Yao Ming or something like that...;D

If only Shawn Bradley was still around.

[WABronco]

Hmmmm, that sounds vaguely familiar.......

http://207.44.220.101/images/nba/4.2/wiretap/photos/Boykins_Earl_den_1.jpg

What!?!?!?!?

I thought people loved Boykins because he's 4'10" or whatever he is...

I can't help but chuckle at how out of place he seems when he's on the floor. At least he can't dunk, so he doesn't try ridiculous dunks like Flip.

[RhymesayersDU]

What!?!?!?!?

I thought people loved Boykins because he's 4'10" or whatever he is...

I can't help but chuckle at how out of place he seems when he's on the floor. At least he can't dunk, so he doesn't try ridiculous dunks like Flip.
Idiots think Boykins is cute. Hence, he gets basically just as loud a crowd pop as Carmelo.

Basketball fans hate him, or should at least.

It seriously sickens me when I go to Pepsi and hear Boykins get the same amount of love from the crowd as Carmelo does.

[Clockwork Orange]

Idiots think Boykins is cute. Hence, he gets basically just as loud a crowd pop as Carmelo.

Basketball fans hate him, or should at least.

It seriously sickens me when I go to Pepsi and hear Boykins get the same amount of love from the crowd as Carmelo does.

It really sickens me that people have had the nerve to call Carmelo a ballhog while paying no attention to the selfish game played practically every night by Earl The Angry Dwarf.

Carmelo would average at least 5 assists per game if anyone on this team could shoot. Earl might average 5 assists per game if he ever bothered to pass.

[epicSocialism4tw]

It really sickens me that people have had the nerve to call Carmelo a ballhog while paying no attention to the selfish game played practically every night by Earl The Angry Dwarf.

Carmelo would average at least 5 assists per game if anyone on this team could shoot. Earl might average 5 assists per game if he ever bothered to pass.

Boykins is superior in nearly every aspect of the game to Anthony.

(awaiting imminent flame)

[Clockwork Orange]

Boykins is superior in nearly every aspect of the game to Anthony.

(awaiting imminent flame)

Boykins > Nowitzki

:P

[RhymesayersDU]

Carmelo would average at least 5 assists per game if anyone on this team could shoot. Earl might average 5 assists per game if he ever bothered to pass.

So freakin' true on both accounts. Everybody knows I love Melo. But even with that, I try not to homer it up too much. But this year, he has shown marked improvements in recognizing a double team and finding open guys. But when those open guys are people like Greg Buckner, more often then not they miss the wide open shot that Melo provides for them. If we had an outside shooter, Carmelo would get some more assists.

And yeah, the next time Earl passes the ball to anybody will be the first time. You will never see me yelling at the TV except when Boykins has the ball, is looking right at Melo on the block (or any teamate, for that matter) and just continues to dribble it around.

[RhymesayersDU]

Boykins is superior in nearly every aspect of the game to Anthony.

(awaiting imminent flame)
If only I still had that .gif image of Dirk trying to take Andre Miller one-on-one only to get his dunk swatted by Miller!

;)

[epicSocialism4tw]

So freakin' true on both accounts. Everybody knows I love Melo. But even with that, I try not to homer it up too much. But this year, he has shown marked improvements in recognizing a double team and finding open guys. But when those open guys are people like Greg Buckner, more often then not they miss the wide open shot that Melo provides for them. If we had an outside shooter, Carmelo would get some more assists.

And yeah, the next time Earl passes the ball to anybody will be the first time. You will never see me yelling at the TV except when Boykins has the ball, is looking right at Melo on the block (or any teamate, for that matter) and just continues to dribble it around.


Karl needs to sit hit on the bench if he wont move the ball. That's partly his fault for allowing that to happen. I'm sure you guys get sick of seeing the ball get stopped up. The Nuggs are a little better at moving the ball around than they were last year, but that's not saying much. They were a team full of black holes last season. Karl needs to start pulling players who dont move the ball and playing the guys that do. That team is athletic. They should be moving on the floor to maximize the impact of their athleticism. It opens lanes to the rim and space for guys like Martin and Anthony to get to the rim for offensive boards.

[epicSocialism4tw]

If only I still had that .gif image of Dirk trying to take Andre Miller one-on-one only to get his dunk swatted by Miller!


Speaking of...you guys get to play the best team in the NBA right now on Friday :strong:

How's that going to go?

[RhymesayersDU]

Karl needs to sit hit on the bench if he wont move the ball. That's partly his fault for allowing that to happen. I'm sure you guys get sick of seeing the ball get stopped up. The Nuggs are a little better at moving the ball around than they were last year, but that's not saying much. They were a team full of black holes last season. Karl needs to start pulling players who dont move the ball and playing the guys that do. That team is athletic. They should be moving on the floor to maximize the impact of that. It opens lanes to the rim and space for guys like Martin and Anthony to get to the rim for offensive boards.
I agree basically. Hell, I'd be happy to just move Boykins to 12th man.

Anyways, we should get back to running with the return of Camby. He rebounds, and he immediately looks down the floor for guys running out. I didn't really notice how much he starts a lot of breaks until the other night, but when he gets a board, his head immediately swivels to the other end of the court.

[RhymesayersDU]

Speaking of...you guys get to play the best team in the NBA right now on Friday :strong:

How's that going to go?
Knowing our luck, we'll play you guys tough for around 43-45 minutes and then blow it.

No doubt you guys are playing the 2nd best ball in the league, but the two matchups this year have been real close. If we could win this game on Friday I'd be ecstatic, but it's not happening.

[Clockwork Orange]

Speaking of...you guys get to play the best team in the NBA right now on Friday :strong:

How's that going to go?

The Pistons are here this week?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Knowing our luck, we'll play you guys tough for around 43-45 minutes and then blow it.

No doubt you guys are playing the 2nd best ball in the league, but the two matchups this year have been real close. If we could win this game on Friday I'd be ecstatic, but it's not happening.


Nah...Dallas is playing the best ball right now. There's not really much of a debate. The Spurs have been doing well, but not "12 straight" well. Dallas hasnt lost since early January and are winning by an average of 14.5 ppg.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The Pistons are here this week?

No...they lost to Atlanta tonight.

After all of that "greatness", theyre only 1.5 games up on Dallas. They could be even heading into the all-star game.

Detroit has already peaked. Dallas is just starting to hit their stride. They arent even playing up to their ability right now. It's downright scary.

[RhymesayersDU]

Nah...Dallas is playing the best ball right now. There's not really much of a debate. The Spurs have been doing well, but not "12 straight" well. Dallas hasnt lost since early January and are winning by an average of 14.5 ppg.
I wasn't talking about the spurs. Despite the loss to Atlanta, Detroit is the best team in the league IMO followed by your Mavs.

[GSRelyea]

Trade Talk Doesn't Bother K-Mart
Feb 8 - The Knicks really want Denver point guard Earl Watson, but in order to get him they may have to accept a package deal that would include Kenyon Martin and Voshon Lenard, reports the Newark Star-Ledger. According to the newspaper, the possibility of the Knicks acquiring Martin is no higher or lower than any of the other names that are out there including Watson, Al Harrington, Theo Ratliff and Steve Francis.
The Denver Post reports Kenyon Martin isn't worried about the trade talk. "I hear it every day," Martin said of the speculation. "Ain't nothing new. ... I don't spend time worrying about stuff I can't control. If it's going to happen, it's going to happen."

The Bergen Record suggests one scenario that does work cap-wise is a three-way deal that would send Penny Hardaway's expiring $15.75 million contract to Orlando, Steve Francis, to Denver and Kenyon Martin and Earl Watson to New York.

In related news ...


According to a source, the Knicks considered a deal for the Blazers' Darius Miles last week but were reluctant to pull the trigger because Miles has a bad knee, reports the New York Daily News.

[Nuggets4]

I wasn't a Nuggets fan. Heck, I didn't even know you yet, but I still watched that draft utterly outraged by the way Bickerstaff dismantled that team.

Which time? See, that was the joy of watching the Nugs. As soon as I got over Bickerstaff, Alan Bristow came in and did THE EXACT SAME DAMN THING! It's no wonder my teenage years were full of anger. And I can thank Alan Bristow for this damn username too.

Boykins > Nowitzki

:P

Boykins > Chuck Norris?

[RhymesayersDU]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/39036/20060208/denver_offers_martin_to_chicago/

Denver Offers Martin To Chicago
8th February, 2006 - 3:09 am
By Paul Willis, Special to the News
February 8, 2006
While the Denver Nuggets attempt to short circuit a mini-funk before it transforms into a major one, trade winds continue to swirl around the Pepsi Center.
The Nuggets have lost five of their past six games, the past three losses to sub-.500 competition, and with each defeat, the rumors seem to increase that Denver will make a deal before the Feb. 23 NBA trade deadline.

The latest buzz, as reported Tuesday by the New York Daily News, has Nuggets forward Kenyon Martin and guard Earl Watson heading to the New York Knicks.

According to the Daily News, the Nuggets likely would ask for talented rookie Channing Frye in return for both players. Knicks general manager Isiah Thomas, though, so far has preached a reluctance to trade any of his young stars.

Another prospective deal has Watson going to New York, with the Knicks shipping shooting guard Jamal Crawford to the Orlando Magic. It could be part of a deal that lands Magic guard Steve Francis in Denver, according to the report.

Denver (26-24) also is said to have shopped Martin to the Chicago Bulls, who face the Nuggets tonight at the Pepsi Center (7:30, Altitude, ESPN2), though the Bulls have wavering interest because of Martin's recent injury history and his hefty contract (he is due $65 million through 2010).

"The whole thing philosophically is that we're trying to fix this team and make it better," said Nuggets coach George Karl, not commenting on any particular rumor. "And we're not going to do anything unless it makes us better. That's our job; (general manager Kiki Vandeweghe's) job is, come April or May, to have the best possible basketball team on the court for a playoff run."

Vandeweghe chatted briefly with reporters Tuesday after the Nuggets' film-study session, and though he wouldn't comment on a specific deal, he said: "I don't get too mad about the rumors as long as they don't upset the players too much. Some of the rumors are outrageous because they don't make sense from a salary-cap perspective. Those don't bother me."

While Martin, Watson and injured post player Nene are the most common names surfacing in recent trade talks, the Nuggets also would like to move shooting guard Voshon Lenard, who has not played in the past 28 games despite being in uniform for each one.

"It's a part of the business and a point of life," Watson said of the rumors. "I think the easiest thing for me is that I'm not married and don't have kids, so it wouldn't be a whole family affected by the move. Right now it's just all me, and whatever happens, it's for the best. I'll trust in it."

While Watson plays it cool, Karl said trade rumors are more than just part of the job description of an NBA player.

"We're human beings, and of course it affects you," Karl said. "You don't want to be talked about as not being wanted, or that someone wants to trade you."

Of more immediate concern for the Nuggets is halting a slide that began with losses on successive nights against the Los Angeles Clippers and has continued against sub-.500 opponents Sacramento, Utah and, Monday night, the Golden State Warriors.

The Nuggets' only win in that stretch was a rabbit-out-of-a-hat 105-104 home victory against Portland on Saturday night. The Trailblazers (17-29) have the worst record in the Western Conference.

"Were just not playing well on the defensive or the offensive end right now," Nuggets guard Greg Buckner said. "Sometimes you can get away with it if you're not playing well on one end, but we're not playing well on either end and it's getting us in trouble right now."

The Nuggets seemed to be cruising Monday, leading 68-60 in the third quarter on the Warriors' home floor. But Golden State followed with a 24-1 run and held off a late charge to defeat Denver 122-114.

"Two weeks ago we were being talked about as one of the best teams in the NBA," Watson said. "It's amazing what a few games can do. At the same time, we know what our potential is, and we just have to turn it around and head back in that direction."

Center Marcus Camby did not play in the fourth quarter against the Warriors. He refused comment after the game and again Tuesday.

"I think he's still a little rusty," Karl said. "He's (typically) a dominating defensive player, and right now, he's only a good defensive player."

ETC.: As expected, the Nuggets sent rookie guard Julius Hodge to the Austin Toros of the NBA Developmental League. Hodge, chosen with the 20th pick in the 2005 NBA draft, has appeared in 11 games with the Nuggets and is averaging 1.0 point a game. "I don't mind taking a step back if it means moving forward in the long haul," said Hodge who also said, "I was happy for the time I got here even though it wasn't in crunch time or anything." . . . Guard Earl Boykins, who performed in the NBA Skills Competition the past two seasons, will not compete in it this year. The All-Star weekend event will feature LeBron James, Chris Paul, Dwayne Wade and last year's champ, Steve Nash.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Here's a trade scenario that might have everyone happy in Denver and NY:

NY trades:
Marbury
David Lee

Denver trades:
Martin
Watson

Denver gets a nice combo guard with an outside shot to work the p'n'r with Anthony and a bruising young PF who could immediately take Martin's spot and grow with Anthony.

NY gets rid of Marbury and receives a veteran PF to play with Eddy Curry, who cant rebound for squat. Watson gives Brown the type of defensive minded PG that he likes.

[Nuggets4]

Here's a trade scenario that might have everyone happy in Denver and NY:

NY trades:
Marbury
David Lee

Denver trades:
Martin
Watson

Denver gets a nice combo guard with an outside shot to work the p'n'r with Anthony and a bruising young PF who could immediately take Martin's spot and grow with Anthony.

NY gets rid of Marbury and receives a veteran PF to play with Eddy Curry, who cant rebound for squat. Watson gives Brown the type of defensive minded PG that he likes.

You need to stick to only commenting on the Mavs.

[Nuggets4]

For what it's worth. From the Sports Guy (ESPN.com):

First, I have a scoop for you: A well-placed source tells me that Isiah Thomas is prepared to trade Channing Frye and Penny Hardaway to Denver for Kenyon Martin and Earl Watson, but only if Martin agrees to an MRI on his surgically repaired knee. If Martin's knee is in good shape, the Knicks are calling off the deal. If the knee is in rough shape, the deal is on. If the knee is in such terrible shape that the doctor says something like, "Wow, there's a good chance K-Mart might walk with a limp for the rest of his life," the Knicks will throw in an unconditional No. 1 in 2009 as well as Nate Robinson and $3 million dollars. So stay tuned.

[RhymesayersDU]

For what it's worth. From the Sports Guy (ESPN.com):

First, I have a scoop for you: A well-placed source tells me that Isiah Thomas is prepared to trade Channing Frye and Penny Hardaway to Denver for Kenyon Martin and Earl Watson, but only if Martin agrees to an MRI on his surgically repaired knee. If Martin's knee is in good shape, the Knicks are calling off the deal. If the knee is in rough shape, the deal is on. If the knee is in such terrible shape that the doctor says something like, "Wow, there's a good chance K-Mart might walk with a limp for the rest of his life," the Knicks will throw in an unconditional No. 1 in 2009 as well as Nate Robinson and $3 million dollars. So stay tuned.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

[epicSocialism4tw]

For what it's worth. From the Sports Guy (ESPN.com):

First, I have a scoop for you: A well-placed source tells me that Isiah Thomas is prepared to trade Channing Frye and Penny Hardaway to Denver for Kenyon Martin and Earl Watson, but only if Martin agrees to an MRI on his surgically repaired knee. If Martin's knee is in good shape, the Knicks are calling off the deal. If the knee is in rough shape, the deal is on. If the knee is in such terrible shape that the doctor says something like, "Wow, there's a good chance K-Mart might walk with a limp for the rest of his life," the Knicks will throw in an unconditional No. 1 in 2009 as well as Nate Robinson and $3 million dollars. So stay tuned.

Nice. Simmons is pretty funny sometimes.

[Nuggets4]

The more I think about this Frye rumor, the more excited I get. It's not as good as the Ben Gordon deal, but it's actually realistic unlike Gordon. We unload K-Mart's contract AND we get a young up and coming player in Frye who could be a healthier Marcus Camby. The SG class sucks this off-season, but with a little bit of cap room (I'm guessing we'd have $6-7 mil in space), we could make deals.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The more I think about this Frye rumor, the more excited I get. It's not as good as the Ben Gordon deal, but it's actually realistic unlike Gordon. We unload K-Mart's contract AND we get a young up and coming player in Frye who could be a healthier Marcus Camby. The SG class sucks this off-season, but with a little bit of cap room (I'm guessing we'd have $6-7 mil in space), we could make deals.

Yeah..Denver needs to focus on building around Anthony with younger players. Get young up-and-comers in there and fill in the gaps with cheap veterans who do the dirty work.

I think that Denver should look at trading for a young center also. Acquring Frye would give them a great compliment to Anthony at the 4. Ideally, they could use a defensive minded center to groom for when Camby breaks down and can only give them spot "mutombo" minutes. I like the Swift kid in Seattle. He's going to be a player in a couple of years. He's coordinated like Nowitzki, but spends his time cleaning up the glass, blocking shots, and operating in the post offensively. He's a good looking talent.

Another guy they might want to look at is DJ Mbenga in Dallas. He's a 2nd year center who is the most athletic 7 footer I have ever seen. He runs and jumps like a gazelle. His offensive game is raw, but he has improved dramatically since last season. He's a natural shot blocker and has unlimited potential defensively. He's a judo blackbelt, so rebounding should become a strong point for him in the future. He's an outstanding athlete. There's a clip floating around out there of him cleanly rejecting a Kobe Bryant dunk man v. man at the rim. I was at that game and saw it real time. Mbenga is immensely strong and can get way up there and maintain balance and poise. I think that an athletic player like DJ would be great in a backup role with Denver. He's alot like Elson now, but has potential to be a Ben Wallace type of defender. He'll be available as a free agent this offseason. I'm sure that Kiki knows about him, because Dallas' scouts discovered DJ in Africa while Kiki was still in Dallas.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Some good reasonable targets for the Nuggets:

Kareem Rush
Mike James (free agent)
JR Smith
Jalen Rose (free agent)

[Odysseus]

**** Bickerstaff. THat God damn son of a b**** ruined what could have been THE up and coming team in the NBA. But no, instead he has to go **** it all up. That SOB.

I can't say his name without spitting.

[RhymesayersDU]

Kareem Rush might not be a bad option.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Kareem Rush might not be a bad option.

Supposedly, he's looking to get out of Charlotte. He'd be a nice fairly young player with big game experience to grow alongside Anthony. He can hit the outside shots for certain. He's got capability as a defender too.

[WABronco]

Supposedly, he's looking to get out of Charlotte. He'd be a nice fairly young player with big game experience to grow alongside Anthony. He can hit the outside shots for certain. He's got capability as a defender too.

Seattle's offering Reggie Evans for him. They started him, against Charlotte, for the first time in like 20 games I think, to showcase him.

I'd say there's a very good chance that deal goes down, so Seattle gets a backup for Ray, allowing them to send Flip Murray to Denver for Watson AND Nene!!!!!:thanku:

[WABronco]

For what it's worth. From the Sports Guy (ESPN.com):

First, I have a scoop for you: A well-placed source tells me that Isiah Thomas is prepared to trade Channing Frye and Penny Hardaway to Denver for Kenyon Martin and Earl Watson, but only if Martin agrees to an MRI on his surgically repaired knee. If Martin's knee is in good shape, the Knicks are calling off the deal. If the knee is in rough shape, the deal is on. If the knee is in such terrible shape that the doctor says something like, "Wow, there's a good chance K-Mart might walk with a limp for the rest of his life," the Knicks will throw in an unconditional No. 1 in 2009 as well as Nate Robinson and $3 million dollars. So stay tuned.

Wow, I'd take that trade in seconds...

[epicSocialism4tw]

Seattle's offering Reggie Evans for him. They started him, against Charlotte, for the first time in like 20 games I think, to showcase him.

I'd say there's a very good chance that deal goes down, so Seattle gets a backup for Ray, allowing them to send Flip Murray to Denver for Watson AND Nene!!!!!:thanku:

I dont know if I trade Evans for Rush if I'm Seattle. Rush wants minutes. He's not going to get a whole lot of them behind Allen. Seattle needs to figure some things out. I dont think that their GM has done a very good job. They have a bunch of players on short term contracts and a bunch of young players. They're trying to make players step up and improve, and at the same time they're paying Ray Allen through the roof to stay and waste his career waiting for that team to come together. What they should have done is trade Allen away for a bunch of picks or young studs and then depend on those guys to develop together. They need to get Swift more minutes and they need to keep the vets that they are letting walk this offseason on the bench.

[RhymesayersDU]

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/quickref.htm

For anybody wondering, this is a quick reference sheet about the NBA's CBA... Has stuff on Bird Rights, along with a bunch of other stuff.

[labronco]

overall i like what kiki has done in his reign, but the biggest mistake he made was giving up three first round picks for k-mart who was about to be a free agent and was known to have knee + back problems, not to mention, commanding top-player money. that was bad.

[Man-Goblin]

For what it's worth. From the Sports Guy (ESPN.com):

First, I have a scoop for you: A well-placed source tells me that Isiah Thomas is prepared to trade Channing Frye and Penny Hardaway to Denver for Kenyon Martin and Earl Watson, but only if Martin agrees to an MRI on his surgically repaired knee. If Martin's knee is in good shape, the Knicks are calling off the deal. If the knee is in rough shape, the deal is on. If the knee is in such terrible shape that the doctor says something like, "Wow, there's a good chance K-Mart might walk with a limp for the rest of his life," the Knicks will throw in an unconditional No. 1 in 2009 as well as Nate Robinson and $3 million dollars. So stay tuned.

Personally, I would love to rid the Nuggets of Martin's injury woes and that contract.

They could have given Ginoboli the max that year, but they instead gave it to Martin, who, I don't care what anyone says, his body is breaking down; at 26!

Their only hole is 2-guard. Can you imagine this team with Ginoboli and a healthy Nene?

[broncos-rock]

K-marts not playing tonight. Something brewing or is his knee still hurt?

[labronco]

K-marts not playing tonight. Something brewing or is his knee still hurt?

orangemane is the best source for all kinds of nuggets info.

[Tombstone RJ]

I can't say his name without spitting.

I hate Bickerstaff to this day for his gross incompetence with the Nugz.

[Clockwork Orange]

K-marts not playing tonight. Something brewing or is his knee still hurt?

He's not playing because he's a pussy. Eddie Najera has been playing for months on a sore knee, Kenyon has missed at least 8-10 games this season because of that excuse.

As much as I believe the rumors are just rumors, I'm still holding out a flicker of hope that Isaiah is dumb enough to take Kenyon's fragile ass and his fat contract off our hands.

Go **** yourself Kenyon.

[Clockwork Orange]

Carmelo just left the game with a thumb injury.

Everything is going wrong for this team right now.

[-Slap-]

Which time? See, that was the joy of watching the Nugs. As soon as I got over Bickerstaff, Alan Bristow came in and did THE EXACT SAME DAMN THING! It's no wonder my teenage years were full of anger. And I can thank Alan Bristow for this damn username too.

Its true, you were a freaking powder keg in those days. Had I invested in tech stocks instead of "loaning" you bail money every couple months, I would be a rich man today.

[Clockwork Orange]

Looks like Carmelo's coming back in the game, they're calling it a sprained thumb.

Wait, shouldn't he be following the 92 million dollar man's example and refuse to play through pain?

Don't know how much good it's gonna do, this team looks completely disinterested out there.

[Jori]

Trade rumors are distractions. They may be fun for the fans as Kiki indicated, but it's clearly affecting this team. Perhaps Kiki should take a page out of Pierre Lacroix's handbook.

[Clockwork Orange]

Trade rumors are distractions. They may be fun for the fans as Kiki indicated, but it's clearly affecting this team. Perhaps Kiki should take a page out of Pierre Lacroix's handbook.

There's more then just that ailing this team. They can't count on Kenyon to play back to back games without straining his vagina and Camby is pouting because he got benched in the 4th quarter against Golden State.

Combine that with the losses & trade rumors and you've got a team in disarray.

[RhymesayersDU]

Personally, I would love to rid the Nuggets of Martin's injury woes and that contract.

They could have given Ginoboli the max that year, but they instead gave it to Martin, who, I don't care what anyone says, his body is breaking down; at 26!

Their only hole is 2-guard. Can you imagine this team with Ginoboli and a healthy Nene?
I'm frustrated with Martin too, but in Kiki's defense, I don't think it would have mattered, Manu wanted to stay in San Antonio, and I believe even said so publicly.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I'm frustrated with Martin too, but in Kiki's defense, I don't think it would have mattered, Manu wanted to stay in San Antonio, and I believe even said so publicly.

Ginoseabli wasnt going anywhere.

Hang in there with Kiki...he'll make some moves this year that will start to really pull things together. He's been in talent collecting mode. It's only a matter of time before he starts turning those assets into players that will maximize the Nuggets' ability.

[Clockwork Orange]

Marcus Camby is playing as if he's trying not to break a sweat tonight.

Sadly, he's not alone.

Carmelo, Andre & Eddie are the only ones who even look like they give a **** out there tonight.

[Clockwork Orange]

Excuse me, Kleiza is playing hard too. Have to give the youngster credit where it's due.

[labronco]

we are making a comeback. let's see what happens.

but regardless of this game, kiki better stop end this mess one way or another. you cannot put the majority of players on limbo and expect to win as a team. it's just too much distraction.

[Man-Goblin]

I'm frustrated with Martin too, but in Kiki's defense, I don't think it would have mattered, Manu wanted to stay in San Antonio, and I believe even said so publicly.

I respectfully disagree. The amount of money the Nuggets could have guaranteed Ginoboli was astronomically more the Spurs could have. I belive 40 million dollars or so? it's been a while....

...the point being, they could have had him if they gave him the full court press. Rumors were flying that they might of even wrapped him AND k-mart up....but they only offered him 45 over 7 years or something. Not exact numbers but you get the point....

I want Channing Frye.

[Man-Goblin]

we are making a comeback. let's see what happens.

but regardless of this game, kiki better stop end this mess one way or another. you cannot put the majority of players on limbo and expect to win as a team. it's just too much distraction.

It has been a ridiculous situation. It all starts at the top. Kiki is in limbo from Quiet Stan, everyone but Marcus and Melo are in limbo in trade rumors, Karl is on the verge of a nervous break down....and after tonight they'll have lost 6 of 7....

...better than losing 70 games tho, I guess.

[WABronco]

Wow, Boykins has been clutch in the 4th quarter...ROFL!

[Clockwork Orange]

Wow, Boykins has been clutch in the 4th quarter...ROFL!

I cringe every time the ball's in his hands.

[WABronco]

Clutch block there by Camby...

CLUTCH!

[Clockwork Orange]

The Nuggets decided to play hard for one quarter. Aint gonna be enough.

[Clockwork Orange]

Carmelo put up 31 points and 7 rebounds with a sprained thumb.

Again, **** you Kenyon, candy ass.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Carmelo put up 31 points and 7 rebounds with a sprained thumb.

Again, **** you Kenyon, candy ass.

Im starting to get the feeling that you dont care too much for Martin.

[-Slap-]

Im starting to get the feeling that you dont care too much for Martin.
I'm tripping off CO's disgust for Kenyon. I know how it feels when you finally grow to hate one of the so-called stars on your favorite team.

[Clockwork Orange]

Im starting to get the feeling that you dont care too much for Martin.

Nah. I love guys who sign contracts for $92 million and then proceed to miss every other game with a sore knee/back/shoulder/labia. It would be asking way too much for a guy making max money to play through the slightest bit of pain. So long as he keeps up his collar popping and other hot dog antics after a dunk, he's worth every penny.

[Paladin]

Now I know what sarcasm is.....

[Clockwork Orange]

I'm tripping off CO's disgust for Kenyon. I know how it feels when you finally grow to hate one of the so-called stars on your favorite team.

Never let it be said that I didn't give Kenyon a fair shake. I didn't mind them bringing him in last year, but the prima donna act he's pulled this season has completely soured me on him.

Fugazi indeed.

[labronco]

I am so sick of Boykin holding the ball at the end of the half, at the end of the game. Why isn't it bothering the Nuggets coaches? Why isn't it bothering Kiki? Why do you even draw up a play if he's gonna hold the ball until 2-3 seconds are left?

It sounds like whatever the move Nuggets are going to make will involve Watson. Isn't he the best 3 point threat in 2nd worst team in that category?

What the hell is going on? Somebody please explain.

[RMT]

The trade rumors are weighing the team down - a LOT.

[Clockwork Orange]

I am so sick of Boykin holding the ball at the end of the half, at the end of the game. Why isn't it bothering the Nuggets coaches? Why isn't it bothering Kiki? Why do you even draw up a play if he's gonna hold the ball until 2-3 seconds are left?

I've used up too much of my disgust tonight to even get into discussing Earl The Angry Dwarf. My opinion of his ball hogging and the coaches love affair with him is well known. Makes me want to break something valuable.

[-Slap-]

Never let it be said that I didn't give Kenyon a fair shake. I didn't mind them bringing him in last year, but the prima donna act he's pulled this season has completely soured me on him.

Fugazi indeed.
I hear you. Not only is he on pace to miss about 30 games, his numbers are down across the board.

I always thought he was a pretty decent player, although, a bit of a cheap shot artist. I never expected him to start phoning it in after he signed a big contract, though.

[labronco]

I've used up too much of my disgust tonight to even get into discussing Earl The Angry Dwarf. My opinion of his ball hogging and the coaches love affair with him is well known. Makes me want to break something valuable.


guess i am not alone. i've broken a few thanks to boykin.

what's going to take for us to get ben gordon? can you just imagine him next to carmelo? that's a title team right there.

[RMT]

perhaps the Nuggets should trade a player or two (Lenard and/or Martin) for "effort" ... that would be a good return. They look so lazy right now.

[Clockwork Orange]

perhaps the Nuggets should trade a player or two (Lenard and/or Martin) for "effort" ... that would be a good return. They look so lazy right now.

If anyone will take Kenyon and his ridiculous contract, I'm all for it.

Hmmm, but who'd be dumb enough to do that?

http://www.vtams.biz/nfanimg/misc/Isaiah%20Thomas.jpg

[epicSocialism4tw]

If anyone will take Kenyon and his ridiculous contract, I'm all for it.

Hmmm, but who'd be dumb enough to do that?

http://www.vtams.biz/nfanimg/misc/Isaiah%20Thomas.jpg

(rimshot)

[RhymesayersDU]

Isiah has got to be just itching to pull the trigger on that. Seriously.

[Clockwork Orange]

Isiah has got to be just itching to pull the trigger on that. Seriously.

We can only hope.

Even if all the Nuggets got was Penny's expiring contract, it'd be worth it. With Kenyon and Vo coming off the books, they'd have the cap space to be players in the free agent market this summer.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Isiah has got to be just itching to pull the trigger on that. Seriously.

I think that he would want a little bit better of a deal. He'd want to force you guys to take on at least David Lee and Nate Robinson.

[RhymesayersDU]

I think that he would want a little bit better of a deal. He'd want to force you guys to take on at least David Lee and Nate Robinson.
If we got Nate Robinson, I'd start campaigning for Karl to start Boykins and Robinson, just for the pure spectacle of it.

[Nuggets4]

Its true, you were a freaking powder keg in those days. Had I invested in tech stocks instead of "loaning" you bail money every couple months, I would be a rich man today.

Yeah, but you would have wasted the money on booze and hookers, and you wouldn't have shared either dammit.