Who should we be building to beat...Indy or Pittsburgh?

[footstepsfrom#27]

It was assumed we were building to beat the Colts, hence the point in drafting 3 CB's last year. But now that the Steelers have beaten us and Indy as well, are we now chasing Indy or them? It impacts how you see this offseason, especially the draft.

If you believe we're still chasing the Colts, a pass rush is priority #1. Which means the two guys that realistically might be available for us at #22 are Bunkley and Kiwi. That's a tough choice but I continue to believe the way you beat Manning is to get an INTERIOR pass rush. Bunkley is a penetrator, and if placed next to Warren, the heat up the middle would be seriously upgraded, plus he'd be better against the run than Kiwi who doesn't have the size to hold his ground. He's a better pass rusher but off the edge instead of up the gut.

On the other hand, if you believe we are now chasing Pittsburgh, I suggest our offensive line should be the primary focus, with bigger guys in the trenches who still have the mobility to play the stretch zone. Either way, the primary focus ought to be on beef, not skill positions, unless somebody totally unexpected drops to us.

[watermock]

God what a stupid question....you don't build the team to beat any specific team, you build it to beat anybody.

[bendog]

A merriman or ware type, regardless of anything.

[footstepsfrom#27]

God what a stupid question....you don't build the team to beat any specific team, you build it to beat anybody.
Which of course explains why Shanny drafted 3 CB's at the top of the draft after getting pounded by Manning & Co. right?

[bendog]

Den needed corners and last years draft was deep in corners in the 3-4 rd area. It's a stupid thread. Den needs pass rush. I think it'll take both no 1s to move up to get some. But I doubt shanny moves up.

[spdirty]

Yeah lets build to beat only the Steelers and Colts now and not worry about the Bengals, Pats, Jagoffs, Chargers, and possibly the Phins.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Yeah lets build to beat only the Steelers and Colts now and not worry about the Bengals, Pats, Jagoffs, Chargers, and possibly the Phins.
I didn't suggest that we only focus on one team. The point of the thread is to determine who our primary competition is. Since we were obviously focusing on improving in the area the Colts exposed, and since Pittsburgh replaced them this year as the team that beat us, it follows one or the other should be considered our toughest challenge.

Teams also build to combat their own division rivals, hence the option for that.

[Merlin]

Den needed corners and last years draft was deep in corners in the 3-4 rd area. It's a stupid thread. Den needs pass rush. I think it'll take both no 1s to move up to get some. But I doubt shanny moves up.
Using the point system, Denver's two picks are worth a #8, which I think Buffalo owns, and they need players. Maybe they will end up trading. I read that Shanny was willing to trade both for an 8 or 9. That should give some nice options.

[bendog]

Using the point system, Denver's two picks are worth a #8, which I think Buffalo owns, and they need players. Maybe they will end up trading. I read that Shanny was willing to trade both for an 8 or 9. That should give some nice options.
Since we have, or will have with comp picks, like 10 picks - what I'd like to see is to see if they could package the no2 pick with some lower rd picks to move up in the second rnd, and then use some combination of the two no1s and the no2 to move up in the first to get a premium pass rush guy. From what I see, there really isn't a lot of premimum WR guys this year, so finding a guy less than the total package and taking a chance on a WR with the remaining no 1 or 2.

Since Den is supposedly good with Myers, and Nalen and Lepsis prolly back, they may not even draft an olineman this year, but it seems a given they alwasy do.

And shanny usually has some RB he's looking at, though Cedric Cobb is still hanging around.

at any rate, shanny will prolly pick numbers on whatever position is deep in the middle rounds.

[Smiling Assassin27]

We beat the Steelers 6 out of 10 times, IMO. We build for the Colts.

[Elway 4 Life]

We build to put pressure on the QB with DE/DT's. We have a good secondary right now. We just gave Ben way to long back there and he picked us apart. The same goes for that fvcker peyton the two years prior. We are only a few pieces away from being a bad mofo team.

Our immediate needs IMO:

DE - someone that wants to kill QB's for a living and is fast as 15 yr old at a brothel.
DT - We need someone to complement warren. Big meat and potatoe guy that wants to take on 2 or 3 blockers at a time.
WR - A big play guy to take the pressure of the run game. We have an outstanding possession guy now we need a badass big play guy.
S - We need a cover safety, a ballhawk in the mold of reed or palamahu(sp). We have two in the box safeties but both are a liability in covereage.
RB - The running back by committee is just not gonna work. We need an everydown back that is special.

We also need to draft for the future at QB, OL, and I think we could use another CB.

[Elway 4 Life]

Since we have, or will have with comp picks, like 10 picks - what I'd like to see is to see if they could package the no2 pick with some lower rd picks to move up in the second rnd, and then use some combination of the two no1s and the no2 to move up in the first to get a premium pass rush guy. From what I see, there really isn't a lot of premimum WR guys this year, so finding a guy less than the total package and taking a chance on a WR with the remaining no 1 or 2.

Since Den is supposedly good with Myers, and Nalen and Lepsis prolly back, they may not even draft an olineman this year, but it seems a given they alwasy do.

And shanny usually has some RB he's looking at, though Cedric Cobb is still hanging around.

at any rate, shanny will prolly pick numbers on whatever position is deep in the middle rounds.
This has to be one of the weakest WR drafts in years. We would do better to address a WR in FA.

[sirhcyennek81]

How about this...How are other teams going to build their rosters to beat us?

:Broncos:

[bloodsunday]

New England.

They'll be back and I think they should be considered the #1 contender going into next season. They gave us a run for our money and they'll have an entire offseason to build off it. Teams usually comeback stronger after going through a season like they did -- they were forced to play tons of young guys. Not only have those young guys improved, but they'll be healthier and have an entire offseason to address their weakspots.

In hindsight... I think if we had not beaten New England they would have won the Super Bowl. They would have handled Pittsburgh in the AFC Title game.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I think you should try and beat the Chiefs in December at Arrowhead first.

[Elway 4 Life]

I think you should try and beat the Chiefs in December at Arrowhead first.
Not really a necessary thing for us in order to make the playoffs and keep you guys at home.

[listopencil]

I think you should try and beat the Chiefs in December at Arrowhead first.



I don't think you want us to try to build for that. It would break your little heart. When are you guys going to win in Denver? National Tiddley-Winks Convention?

[Dagmar]

I think you should try and beat the Chiefs in December at Arrowhead first.
But then we'd take away the only thing your sad little crowd can be proud of all season. It's not like you have the playoffs to look forward to at that point.

[Rascal]

We won't be playing the chiefs in arrowhead in december for the next several years so that won't be a problem. Maybe you should build to win a playoff game.

[broncofan]

New England.

They'll be back and I think they should be considered the #1 contender going into next season. They gave us a run for our money and they'll have an entire offseason to build off it. Teams usually comeback stronger after going through a season like they did -- they were forced to play tons of young guys. Not only have those young guys improved, but they'll be healthier and have an entire offseason to address their weakspots.

In hindsight... I think if we had not beaten New England they would have won the Super Bowl. They would have handled Pittsburgh in the AFC Title game.

Agreed.

Indy will likely lose Edge, which means they're taking a step back. I'm hard-pressed to believe that Pittsburgh will repeat this year's performance again. The Patriots are the real deal and although the Steelers have established themselves the team to beat, I'd feel a lot better about us if we were to knock off NE.

[Dagmar]

Agreed.

Indy will likely lose Edge, which means they're taking a step back. I'm hard-pressed to believe that Pittsburgh will repeat this year's performance again. The Patriots are the real deal and although the Steelers have established themselves the team to beat, I'd feel a lot better about us if we were to knock off NE.

Indy's years were this one and last. Time to fade away.

[azbroncfan]

It was assumed we were building to beat the Colts, hence the point in drafting 3 CB's last year. But now that the Steelers have beaten us and Indy as well, are we now chasing Indy or them? It impacts how you see this offseason, especially the draft.

If you believe we're still chasing the Colts, a pass rush is priority #1. Which means the two guys that realistically might be available for us at #22 are Bunkley and Kiwi. That's a tough choice but I continue to believe the way you beat Manning is to get an INTERIOR pass rush. Bunkley is a penetrator, and if placed next to Warren, the heat up the middle would be seriously upgraded, plus he'd be better against the run than Kiwi who doesn't have the size to hold his ground. He's a better pass rusher but off the edge instead of up the gut.

On the other hand, if you believe we are now chasing Pittsburgh, I suggest our offensive line should be the primary focus, with bigger guys in the trenches who still have the mobility to play the stretch zone. Either way, the primary focus ought to be on beef, not skill positions, unless somebody totally unexpected drops to us.

I disagree their. Shanny saw he had 1 starting CB and knew walls was an injury prone and overrated. He drafted williams to play ST and he turned out to be the #2 CB. Denver is in need of a pass rush and a little more firepower on offense.

[eddie mac]

Which of course explains why Shanny drafted 3 CB's at the top of the draft after getting pounded by Manning & Co. right?

I actually though he drafted 3 CB's because he lost Kelly Herndon, didn't think much of Shoate or LeSeuer and was still having nightmares about Roc's performance. Dont think it was specifically with Indy in mind.

[bendog]

This has to be one of the weakest WR drafts in years. We would do better to address a WR in FA.
yeah, that's what I've seen. BUT, as with corners last year, even though only 2-3 were truly bluechippers, there may be some value (guys with some measureables but questions) worth rollign the dice on. Personally, if we get a top drawer edge rusher, and a rb with draft credentials like Tater or Sonic had, in the first two rounds I'd be overjoyed. Then take shots at positions that are projected to be strong in the mid rounds.

[Florida_Bronco]

I think you should try and beat the Chiefs in December at Arrowhead first.

I think you should try and make the playoffs first.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I think you should try and make the playoffs first.

Um, I didn't start the goddamn thread, moron.

[Dagmar]

Um, I didn't start the goddamn thread, moron.
Yet you felt compelled to reply to it? ****tard.

[Elway 4 Life]

yeah, that's what I've seen. BUT, as with corners last year, even though only 2-3 were truly bluechippers, there may be some value (guys with some measureables but questions) worth rollign the dice on. Personally, if we get a top drawer edge rusher, and a rb with draft credentials like Tater or Sonic had, in the first two rounds I'd be overjoyed. Then take shots at positions that are projected to be strong in the mid rounds.
I do agree. How many teams had TD as a superbowl MVP? I think there will be some hidden gems.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yet you felt compelled to reply to it? ****tard.

Yeah, why not?

[Rausch]

As far as talent SD and KC are only about a 1/2 step behind.

When you look at what Pitt did going from average to impressive in just the last 3 weeks of the season staying ahead of the AFCW should be priority 1...

[eddie mac]

I think you should try and beat the Chiefs in December at Arrowhead first.

We still went 13-3 even though we lost there Bob what's your point exactly?

[Garcia Bronco]

We need to be built to impose our will.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

We still went 13-3 even though we lost there Bob what's your point exactly?
I could have told you after that game you guys weren't going to win the Super Bowl or even go. It was obvious you didn't have what it took.

Just like the 2003 Chiefs...anyone could tell they weren't going anywhere after Portis belted them.

[Florida_Bronco]

Um, I didn't start the goddamn thread, moron.

I'm very aware of this, I was replying to your reply.

[Dagmar]

I could have told you after that game you guys weren't going to win the Super Bowl or even go. It was obvious you didn't have what it took.

Just like the 2003 Chiefs...anyone could tell they weren't going anywhere after Portis belted them.

:notworthy the all knowing boob...

[Florida_Bronco]

I could have told you after that game you guys weren't going to win the Super Bowl or even go. It was obvious you didn't have what it took.

Just like the 2003 Chiefs...anyone could tell they weren't going anywhere after Portis belted them.

You should be a psychic, man. With your proven track record of correct predictions, it's obvious Mrs. Cleo doesn't have a damn thing on you!

[bloodsunday]

I think you should try and beat the Chiefs in December at Arrowhead first.
Now that the offseason is here, I guess this is what we have to look forward to... the only hype the Chiefs get is preseason.

[Paladin]

Beat all of them. Every team on the schedule. That is the only philosophy that makes sense.

[Paladin]

Bob, your unceasing quest to reach the lows of sensibility and sane decorum is matched only by your effervescent exposure of your stupidity and wanton idiocy. Go play with yourself at the park.

[broncofan]

Indy's years were this one and last. Time to fade away.

LOL

If you think Indy is going to fade away you are sorely mistaken. Believe me, I wish things were that easy. They still have one of the most talented rosters in the league, with or without Edge. They'll keep the majority of their squad together and make another run next year. Outside of New England and maybe Pittsburgh they are going to be the toughest team in the league to beat next year IMO.

[loborugger]

New England.

They'll be back and I think they should be considered the #1 contender going into next season. They gave us a run for our money and they'll have an entire offseason to build off it. Teams usually comeback stronger after going through a season like they did -- they were forced to play tons of young guys. Not only have those young guys improved, but they'll be healthier and have an entire offseason to address their weakspots.

In hindsight... I think if we had not beaten New England they would have won the Super Bowl. They would have handled Pittsburgh in the AFC Title game.

Jake is 4-0 vs NE, while Brady is 1-4 vs Denver. If you subscribe to the theory of building to beat a team (which I dont), then NE isnt the team to worry about.

[loborugger]

We need to be built to impose our will.


Rep... Post of the thread.

[ludo21]

As long as we can beat teams in our own division and take the division first, we are in good shape. KC is good, SD is getting better, and well the Fade suck.

Beating those teams are a priority, then once in the playoffs, i think we have the personnel to matchup with anyone.

[Dagmar]

LOL

If you think Indy is going to fade away you are sorely mistaken. Believe me, I wish things were that easy. They still have one of the most talented rosters in the league, with or without Edge. They'll keep the majority of their squad together and make another run next year. Outside of New England and maybe Pittsburgh they are going to be the toughest team in the league to beat next year IMO.

Yeah, it was a rookie comment. I meant more that I can't imagine they are going to be the 49 TD throws of 04, or the team of 05. I think they are not gonna be the best team in the NFL, something they seemed to be the past 2 years. Fade was a bit strong.

[Crushaholic]

I don't see Pittsburgh becoming a dynasty team a la the Patriots. The chances of seeing the Colts in the playoffs are much better. With that being said, we need to make sure we remain the best of the brutal AFC West first...

[Clockwork Orange]

I think you should try and beat the Chiefs in December at Arrowhead first.

We're setting our sights on winning the Super Bowl, not your Super Bowl.

[Clockwork Orange]

Just like the 2003 Chiefs...anyone could tell they weren't going anywhere after Portis belted them.

Unlike the 2003 Chefs, the 2005 Broncos actually won a playoff game and saw their opponents punter in the postseason.

[Mr. Trout]

We should build a house out of LEGO's and use that as a training facility to bombard the Steelers' and Colts' facilities. That would help. This thread is no good.

[eddie mac]

I could have told you after that game you guys weren't going to win the Super Bowl or even go. It was obvious you didn't have what it took.

Just like the 2003 Chiefs...anyone could tell they weren't going anywhere after Portis belted them.

Bob that's pure crap and you know it. The Broncos were awful in the AFC Championship game. If they'd played to the same level they'd been at most of the regular season they would've beaten the Steelers. Team just didn't show up in the biggest game of the year. We're not the 1st team to do it and certainly wont be the last.

[azbroncfan]

I could have told you after that game you guys weren't going to win the Super Bowl or even go. It was obvious you didn't have what it took.

Just like the 2003 Chiefs...anyone could tell they weren't going anywhere after Portis belted them.
Yeah that's why you dissapeared during playoffs and all the threads at the planet were praying Denver doesn't get to the superbowl. Say what you want but you were nervous that Denver was going to superbowl.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yeah that's why you dissapeared during playoffs and all the threads at the planet were praying Denver doesn't get to the superbowl. Say what you want but you were nervous that Denver was going to superbowl.

I was banned.

And I wasn't nervous. Not for one second.

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