Should Marijuana Be Legal?

[GonzoLays]

Should Marijuana be legal?

Vote!

[BroncoMatt]

I voted yes, and I don't even smoke.

[GonzoLays]

Remember this is private poll, so you can really vote on how you feel about the subject!

So far, 6-0 in favor of legal weed.

[ChampBailey24]

yes!!! if it is good enough for use medicinally then its good enough for me to use whenever i want!

[Nuggets4]

Remember this is private poll, so you can really vote on how you feel about the subject!

Are you seriously worried about peer pressure on a poll like this?

[gunns]

What?

[Rascal]

I vote yes for several reasons and I'm not a smoker.

1) is it actually harmful? I haven't seen anything convincing that it does.
2) Make it similar to alcohol (okay to use but not sell without a license) and tax the hell out of it (like tabacco)
3) Reduce the strain on our prisons and policeman. Instead of housing inmates at a minimum security prison for 25,000 a year maybe that money can be used to repair roads or something. I would also change the legal code and use probation and community service for non-violent crimes.

[Dagmar]

Alcohol kills people every year. Weed does not.

Weed is too easy to grow, thus it cannot be controlled.

[Old Dude]

I voted yes.

I've never used marijauana, but I figure it's only a matter of time before they outlaw tobacco, so I'm going to need a substitute.

[bronco militia]

im sure the US government would find a way to **** it up...

[Rascal]

I'd like to know why somebody said no.

[Denver Crush]

Yes, there are all kinds of benefits with cannabis. And why are pot dealers given more time in prison than a child molester? Thats never made sense. Also, how many High driving deaths have you ever heard of? theres too much to go off on. Its illegal because the government thinks it causes a lack of productivity in its citizens. A little less productivity might do some good. Americans are by far the most industrious nation when it comes to people working. Every country Ive ever heard of has longer "holiday" periods for employees. I think we work to god damn much if you ask me.

Sorry for the rant.

[-Slap-]

Alcohol kills people every year. Weed does not.

Weed is too easy to grow, thus it cannot be controlled.
Exactly. The government won't be able to tax it to the degree people seem to believe.

[Kaylore]

They should decriminalize it. That will satisfy most people.

[smalltowngrll]

I'm torn on this one....and I'm not a smoker...

Here's why....

Part of me says, yes, legalize it and tax it! The reason being...it's no worse than alcohol and no worse than smoking tobacco (medically speaking).

The other part of me says no...because of what I've seen and what my job is...etc. (Still torn on that one, though)

I've seen industrial (on the job) accidents from those that have been under the influence of Marajuana that are ugly. Who knows if it was the full on cause of the accident, or not..but, it was a contributor. However, if it's legalized, employers can still test for it just like they are permitted to test for Alcohol...so, in that sense, I'm alright with it for the "recreation" use.


ps...be kind while you all rip on me...haha LOL

[Dagmar]

And on the seventh day, god stepped back and said "There is my creation, perfect in every way... oh, dammit I left pot all over the place. Now they'll think I want them to smoke it... Now I have to create republicans."
- Bill Hicks

[24champ]

Yes, there are all kinds of benefits with cannabis. And why are pot dealers given more time in prison than a child molester? Thats never made sense. Also, how many High driving deaths have you ever heard of? theres too much to go off on. Its illegal because the government thinks it causes a lack of productivity in its citizens. A little less productivity might do some good. Americans are by far the most industrious nation when it comes to people working. Every country Ive ever heard of has longer "holiday" periods for employees. I think we work to god damn much if you ask me.

Sorry for the rant.
you are correct sir, america has more working days than any other country.

[Rohirrim]

I'm totally against this! Haven't you ever seen Reefer Madness? It makes people insane. They start robbing and raping and killing. The legalization of marijuana will end civilization as we know it.








j/k :puff:

[Dagmar]

A few excerps from the book "It's A Conspiracy!"

Hemp and America
-Washington and Jefferson grew it
-America's first flags were usually made of hemp cloth
-the first and second drafts of the Declaration of Independance were written on hemp paper
-When the pioneers went West, their wagons were covered with hemp canvas (the word Canvas itself originated from Canabacuis, meaning hemp cloth)
-The first Levi's sold to prospectors were sturdy hemp coveralls
-Abraham Lincoln's wife came from the richest hemp-growing family in Kentucky.

"Marijuana's byproducts remained popular well into the 20th century. Maple sugar combined with hashish was sold over the counter and in Sears Roebuck catelogs as a harmless candy, hemp rope was a mainstay of the navy, two thousand tons of hemp seed were sold annually as bird seed, the pharmaceutical industry used marijuana extracts in hundreds of potions and vigorously fought attempts to restrict marijuana production."

"By 1931, twenty-nine states had prohibited marijuana use for nonmedicinal purposes. In 1937, after two years of secret hearings - based largely on J. Anslinger's (commissioner of Federal Bureau of Narcotics) testimony - Congress passed the Marijuana Tax Act, which essentially outlawed marijuana in America. Because Congress wasn't sure that it was constitutional to ban marijuana outright, it taxed the plant prohibitively instead. Hemp growers had to register with the government, sellers and buyers had to fill out cumbersome paperwork, and, of course, it was a federal crime not to comply. For selling an ounce or less of marijuana to an unregistered person, the federal tax was $100 (at the time marijuana was selling for $2 a pound!). The Marijuana Tax Act effectively destroyed all legitimate commercial cultivation of hemp."

[Dagmar]

Americans - four million regularly - use marijuana more frequently than they do all other illegal drugs combined. They are no more criminals than people who like to have a drink to relax after work

[Rascal]

Exactly. The government won't be able to tax it to the degree people seem to believe.

If it gets any taxes at all and reduces the amount of money in prosecuting/jail time for people that buy and sell it in small amounts then it is a good thing.

[watermock]

Sometimes the works of God confuse me, but without mosquitoes what do frogs munch, and wrens which sing beautiful songs or to watch Barn Swallows chase insects. If you have never seen the beautiful barn swallow in flight your missing something. Acrobatic is an understatement.

We could be making lots of alcohol and biomass with hemp. We could be taking drug dealers off the streets and making tax money. There should be a strong tax on it, with a big warning label that this may make you drive 30 mph in a 70 mph zone while listening to pink floyd. "For home use only"

We could deal the South American govts into the deal and take out the mafia.

That's what FDR knew when he hooked prohibition...he saw Capone and Co. getting rich, and a tax opportunity, plus he could cut their nuts back to extortion. By that time, the Mafia had grown to huge proportions. When the Mafia blew up the fastest transport in the NY harbor to show who ruled the docks during the war, a truce was created between the mafia and the military...strange bedfellows....there was even a flag flown for Lucky Luciano

Strange Bedfellows indeed, but he hated Mussolini and the mafia wound up helping the war effort in an odd turn of events.

[Rascal]

Sometimes the works of God confuse me, but without mosquitoes what do frogs munch, and wrens which sing beautiful songs or to watch Barn Swallows chase insects. If you have never seen the beautiful barn swallow in flight your missing something. Acrobatic is an understatement.

We could be making lots of alcohol and biomass with hemp. We could be taking drug dealers off the streets and making tax money. There should be a strong tax on it, with a big warning label that this may make you drive 30 mph in a 70 mph zone while listening to pink floyd. "For home use only"

We could deal the South American govts into the deal and take out the mafia.

That's what FDR knew when he hooked prohibition...he saw Capone and Co. getting rich, and a tax opportunity, plus he could cut their nuts back to extortion. By that time, the Mafia had grown to huge proportions. When the Mafia blew up the fastest transport in the NY harbor to show who ruled the docks during the war, a truce was created between the mafia and the military...strange bedfellows....there was even a flag flown for Lucky Luciano

Strange Bedfellows indeed, but he hated Mussolini and the mafia wound up helping the war effort in an odd turn of events.

was the mafia not very pro-us?

[Ray Finkle]

I voted no. While I don't think it is a terrible idea, I think it is unwise. Everyone can say that it harmless haven't check all the facts. Much like let's say beer, weed has shown to slow motor functions and impare section of the brain. Weed also lowers motivation in long term users.

Legalizing it would only open the flood gates for some people that have never touched it to try it. So while the people that smoke it can rejoice in their new laws, you could be addicting (it is an addictive drug) others. Just for that chance I would not want to legalize it.

I have nothing against people that smoke, I just would not want my kids (when I ever have some) to be able to freely buy some at the local 7-11.

[GonzoLays]

And on the seventh day, god stepped back and said "There is my creation, perfect in every way... oh, dammit I left pot all over the place. Now they'll think I want them to smoke it... Now I have to create republicans."
- Bill Hicks


"Weed is from the earth. God put this here for me and you. Take advantage man, take advantage. "
- Smokey

[Rohirrim]

I voted no. While I don't think it is a terrible idea, I think it is unwise. Everyone can say that it harmless haven't check all the facts. Much like let's say beer, weed has shown to slow motor functions and impare section of the brain. Weed also lowers motivation in long term users.

Legalizing it would only open the flood gates for some people that have never touched it to try it. So while the people that smoke it can rejoice in their new laws, you could be addicting (it is an addictive drug) others. Just for that chance I would not want to legalize it.

I have nothing against people that smoke, I just would not want my kids (when I ever have some) to be able to freely buy some at the local 7-11.

Yeah, but look what alcohol does to society? How many are murdered each year by someone who is drunk? How many are killed by drunk drivers? See, stoned drivers are a whole different animal. They may cause an accident, but they're going so slow that nobody gets hurt. Ha! Whoa, dude.

[Ray Finkle]

Yeah, but look what alcohol does to society? How many are murdered each year by someone who is drunk? How many are killed by drunk drivers? See, stoned drivers are a whole different animal. They may cause an accident, but they're going so slow that nobody gets hurt. Ha! Whoa, dude.
That brings up another point. Look at how well/poorly alcohol laws work. You add weed to that and it is just as easy zone out eating peanut butter cups and gulping Dr. Pepper while listening to Phish and get into an accident.

[Mile High Shack]

I voted no, b/c I can't control myself...:spit:
the thought of going to jail is the only thing that makes me not want to review my college years

[Ray Finkle]

I voted no, b/c I can't control myself...:spit:
the thought of going to jail is the only thing that makes me not want to review my college years


law of diminishing returns....

[Taco John]

As a person who ascribes to a libertarian view of life, I think people should have the liberty to do what they want, until they affect another person's liberty. I see no reason why someone shouldn't be able to make the choice to smoke a bowl without the government interfering in that choice. Likewise, I see no justification for the government's interference in that choice.

[Rock Chalk]

I voted yes, and I don't even smoke.
I voted no and I do smoke/.

[Mile High Shack]

law of diminishing returns....
I don’t see pot any worse than alcohol…and the old stoner in me says it’s actually not as harmful as long as there are no made man substances added to it

But damnit man, that **** single-handedly ruined by sophomore through junior year…lol

which is why I work where I do now and I hate my damn job..lol

[Rock Chalk]

"Weed is from the earth. God put this here for me and you. Take advantage man, take advantage. "
- Smokey
Poison ivy is from the earth too.

As is malaria, cholera, yellow fever, ebola and a host of other not so good for you things.

And God does say he gives to us all the fruit bearing tree's and seed bearing plants on all the face of all the earth. Genesis 1:29

To use for meat. As in food.

of course, you could argue that weed makes you hungry and thus falls into that category, BUT, thats a reach.

[Ray Finkle]

I don’t see pot any worse than alcohol…and the old stoner in me says it’s actually not as harmful as long as there are no made man substances added to it

But damnit man, that **** single-handedly ruined by sophomore through junior year…lol

which is why I work where I do now and I hate my damn job..lol


Mine too...but mine was Freshman and sophomore year...

[Mile High Shack]

Poison ivy is from the earth too.

As is malaria, cholera, yellow fever, ebola and a host of other not so good for you things.

And God does say he gives to us all the fruit bearing tree's and seed bearing plants on all the face of all the earth.

To use for meat. As in food.

of course, you could argue that weed makes you hungry and thus falls into that category, BUT, thats a reach.

so...it seems you have a moral reason to not smoke it

so the question is..why do you smoke it then?

[Ray Finkle]

As a person who ascribes to a libertarian view of life, I think people should have the liberty to do what they want, until they affect another person's liberty. I see no reason why someone shouldn't be able to make the choice to smoke a bowl without the government interfering in that choice. Likewise, I see no justification for the government's interference in that choice.


I agree with your views as well but people are going to do it either way. I would rather have some safeguards against making it easily accessable.

[RaiderH8r]

Legalize it. Treat it like alcohol. Can't drive on it, can't stumble around smoking it in public etc. Worst thing a pot smoker will do is forget to tip the pizza delivery guy.

My approach was, get all your sh!t done for the day and THEN you can smoke. Because you ain't gonna wanna do sh!t after hitting the bong.

PS. Don't smoke it at work. I think the officiating crew took the phrase Super Bowl too literally and hit the cannabis at half time.

[Taco John]

I don’t see pot any worse than alcohol…and the old stoner in me says it’s actually not as harmful as long as there are no made man substances added to it

But damnit man, that **** single-handedly ruined by sophomore through junior year…lol

which is why I work where I do now and I hate my damn job..lol



You blame the weed for your decisions?

[Rock Chalk]

so...it seems you have a moral reason to not smoke it

so the question is..why do you smoke it then?
Do as I say bitch, not as I do.

Haha.

No seriously. I smoke because it relaxes me. I dont want it legal because by and large the majority of habitual smokers are worthless. Non-violent sure, but worthless to society in general.

Im a burn out, but every day I get up and go to work. I do my job before I smoke and have a set routine. I hurt no one etc, blah blah. Adults is fine, but you cannot amke it legal for adults without making it easier access to children. Children can be hurt severely by weed. lack of ambition and memory loss during the years when they are supposed to be acheiving the height of their imagination and desires and supposed to be learning valuable lessons for life.

I smoked and ****ed up and took the hard way and it was much much more difficult than it should have been. I was also blessed with parents that would help me out no matter how ****ty I had been. Not everyonee is as lucky as I am and because of that children who smoke will have much more difficult road. In a world that is already difficult, why make it harder?

[bronco militia]

Legalize it. Treat it like alcohol. Can't drive on it, can't stumble around smoking it in public etc. Worst thing a pot smoker will do is forget to tip the pizza delivery guy.

My approach was, get all your sh!t done for the day and THEN you can smoke. Because you ain't gonna wanna do sh!t after hitting the bong.

PS. Don't smoke it at work. I think the officiating crew took the phrase Super Bowl too literally and hit the cannabis at half time.

what the hell were the smoking before the 1st half?

[Taco John]

I agree with your views as well but people are going to do it either way. I would rather have some safeguards against making it easily accessable.



Isn't that what liquor stores are for?

Right now, the people it's currently the most easily accessible to are high school aged children and college students.

[Rock Chalk]

Isn't that what liquor stores are for?

Right now, the people it's currently the most easily accessible to are high school aged children and college students.
In Cali, children can go to liquour stores.

So no.

[watermock]

was the mafia not very pro-us?

Well they blew up a troop transport(similar to the Q. Mary) to get FDR's attention. Then after they made sure the President knew who owned the docks, Lucky Luciano started helping the US to reclaim Sicily.

As I said, a flag with a big red L flew with US troops. I think Luciano was even released out of jail but can't remember.

I never really knew about this, and it was untill recently the truth has really come out about the Army/Mafia alliance.

[Taco John]

In Cali, children can go to liquour stores.

So no.


Now there's an idea: States rights.

It should vary from state to state.

[Taco John]

In Cali, children can go to liquour stores.

So no.



In Europe, children can drink liquor, so what's your point?

[Mile High Shack]

You blame the weed for your decisions?

nope

It was my parents fault

;)

[Rock Chalk]

In Europe, children can drink liquor, so what's your point?
Eh, I thought you meant that liquour stores were a "safegaurd" agianst kids getting it.

If thats what you meant that is an idiot statement from...nevermind. If not, its because I was skimming over your posts as usual. Haha. God Im such an asshole.

[Rock Chalk]

so...it seems you have a moral reason to not smoke it

so the question is..why do you smoke it then?
God doesnt say its forbidden specifically and when I'm high I usually chat with God.

[GonzoLays]

Poison ivy is from the earth too.

As is malaria, cholera, yellow fever, ebola and a host of other not so good for you things.

And God does say he gives to us all the fruit bearing tree's and seed bearing plants on all the face of all the earth. Genesis 1:29

To use for meat. As in food.

of course, you could argue that weed makes you hungry and thus falls into that category, BUT, thats a reach.

Malaria comes from mosquitos. Cholera comes from contaminated drinking water. Yellow fever comes from infected mosquitos. Ebola comes from apes. Poison Ivy is good if you got an itch you can't scratch.

But God did give us weed. And plenty of it.

[RaiderH8r]

what the hell were the smoking before the 1st half?
Alright, a 4 hr. pregame is too long for anyone to handle, they had to kill time somehow.

[DarkHorse]

Absolutely - not even close to being as dangerous as alcohol and nicotine. Government can't make any money off of weed therefore it will NEVER be legalized in the states. Never happen.

[DarkHorse]

I don’t see pot any worse than alcohol…and the old stoner in me says it’s actually not as harmful as long as there are no made man substances added to it

But damnit man, that **** single-handedly ruined by sophomore through junior year…lol

which is why I work where I do now and I hate my damn job..lol


That's a weak excuse for you just plain being stupid and having no self control or drive. Yeah it's the weeds fault - it crept into my system all by itself and kept coming back. Jesus Christ you have to be kidding.

[Mile High Shack]

That's a weak excuse for you just plain being stupid and having no self control or drive. Yeah it's the weeds fault - it crept into my system all by itself and kept coming back. Jesus Christ you have to be kidding.

chill out numbnuts

I'm kidding..of course I don't blame anyone but myself

geez, go out and use some of that racing money to buy yourself a personality

[DarkHorse]

I vote yes for several reasons and I'm not a smoker.

1) is it actually harmful? I haven't seen anything convincing that it does.
2) Make it similar to alcohol (okay to use but not sell without a license) and tax the hell out of it (like tabacco)
3) Reduce the strain on our prisons and policeman. Instead of housing inmates at a minimum security prison for 25,000 a year maybe that money can be used to repair roads or something. I would also change the legal code and use probation and community service for non-violent crimes.


How can you tax, or even sell for that matter, something that even brain dead people can grow VERY EASILY???

Even hydroponic - good **** - is extremely easy to grow. The system can be built from supplies found at Home Depot or Lowes - how in the hell can the government make any money whatsoever on it unless it's VERY lazy people that buy the packaged product?

You could grow weed that has NO man made chemicals in it and get a perfectly good high or you could use nutrients and artificial lighting to make GREAT pot - there's nothing the government could do to regulate the growth of your own pot meaning they would never make money off of it. That's the bottom line - government doesn't get paid so you'll never see legalized pot.

[DarkHorse]

chill out numbnuts

I'm kidding..of course I don't blame anyone but myself

geez, go out and use some of that racing money to buy yourself a personality

Well then jackass - say so instead of leading someone to believe that a dumbass comment like that caused you to fail when it was you!!

[Mile High Shack]

Well then jackass - say so instead of leading someone to believe that a dumbass comment like that caused you to fail when it was you!!

obviously if you kept reading, you'd see in my response to taco "I blame my parents" that I was kidding

seriously

get a personality

[DarkHorse]

Just started reading the thread so chill.


Go screw yourself - how's that for a personality - you want to post a joke then state that in your post otherwise you're asking for a response such as you got. Do you understand that?

[uk bronco]

it should be legalised but with strict controls of how much you can buy and how often. over here in the uk we have a classification system for drugs heroin coke es acid etc are class a weed was a class b but they changed it to a class c. that means you'll get a police caution if caught once then subsequent offences it get worse. having enough to be classed as a dealer obvioously has harsher penalties. The problem is if they legalise it kids will be able to get it easier. Smoking weed while yout brain is developing has been proved to cause mental health problems. A 16 year old over here last year killed his gitrlfriend stripped her naked and left her in the woods. He was said to have smoked 10-20 joints a day which they think may have caused him to do it. Because of this they are thinking of putting it back up to a class b drug again.

[Ray Finkle]

Isn't that what liquor stores are for?

Right now, the people it's currently the most easily accessible to are high school aged children and college students.

I think Alec stated it best in post 39....Adults is fine, but you cannot amke it legal for adults without making it easier access to children. Children can be hurt severely by weed. lack of ambition and memory loss during the years when they are supposed to be acheiving the height of their imagination and desires and supposed to be learning valuable lessons for life.

[Sodak]

Yes, It should be legal, and taxed.

And, I haven't smoked pot for over 20 years.

[GonzoLays]

How can you tax, or even sell for that matter, something that even brain dead people can grow VERY EASILY???

Even hydroponic - good **** - is extremely easy to grow. The system can be built from supplies found at Home Depot or Lowes - how in the hell can the government make any money whatsoever on it unless it's VERY lazy people that buy the packaged product?

You could grow weed that has NO man made chemicals in it and get a perfectly good high or you could use nutrients and artificial lighting to make GREAT pot - there's nothing the government could do to regulate the growth of your own pot meaning they would never make money off of it. That's the bottom line - government doesn't get paid so you'll never see legalized pot.

People like things easy. Of course they are going to go to the store and buy a pack of perfectly rolled ganja for 6.95 a pack or whatever they are going to charge for it. You can grow tobacco too, but I don't see to many growing their own cigarettes.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

it should be legalised but with strict controls of how much you can buy and how often. over here in the uk we have a classification system for drugs heroin coke es acid etc are class a weed was a class b but they changed it to a class c. that means you'll get a police caution if caught once then subsequent offences it get worse. having enough to be classed as a dealer obvioously has harsher penalties. The problem is if they legalise it kids will be able to get it easier. Smoking weed while yout brain is developing has been proved to cause mental health problems. A 16 year old over here last year killed his gitrlfriend stripped her naked and left her in the woods. He was said to have smoked 10-20 joints a day which they think may have caused him to do it. Because of this they are thinking of putting it back up to a class b drug again.
I'd have to say that's a reach. Don't see how smoking pot would ever make someone do something like that.

[Taco John]

I think Alec stated it best in post 39....Adults is fine, but you cannot amke it legal for adults without making it easier access to children. Children can be hurt severely by weed. lack of ambition and memory loss during the years when they are supposed to be acheiving the height of their imagination and desires and supposed to be learning valuable lessons for life.


Well that's what parenting is for.

I hear a lot of bad arguments for taking away the rights of individuals. Children is one of the worst. Usually, the parents are worried for their own children, to which I say, fine... You be the example. But an adult without children should be able to make the choice to smoke a joint in his own home or a designated establishment without having to worry about your children.

For my sake, I hope my children never choose to smoke weed... But if they do, I hope they wait until they are out of high school and their brains are developed. I will be parenting them in that direction, not by hiding the existence of it, but by educating them when they are 1) old enough to understand, and/or 2) old enough that I have to worry about it.

Thanks to prohibition, that age keeps creeping down.

[GonzoLays]

Why does the government have to tax it more than other other products? Seriously?

[Sideburn]

I'd have to say that's a reach. Don't see how smoking pot would ever make someone do something like that.
Not only do I question the "fact" that weed would cause someone to kill their girlfriend, but I question the 10-20 joints in a day. Even if it was lowly mexican skunk weed he'd be baked out of his gord for the majority of the day. The rest of the day would be spent sleeping. Not buying it for a second.

[orinjkrush]

Should Marijuana be legal?

Vote!

only mullahs and the mafia want it illegal:griese: and they got opium

[-Slap-]

Not only do I question the "fact" that weed would cause someone to kill their girlfriend, but I question the 10-20 joints in a day. Even if it was lowly mexican skunk weed he'd be baked out of his gord for the majority of the day. The rest of the day would be spent sleeping. Not buying it for a second.
I think its a safe assumption this young man had other issues as well.

[Ray Finkle]

Well that's what parenting is for.

I hear a lot of bad arguments for taking away the rights of individuals. Children is one of the worst. Usually, the parents are worried for their own children, to which I say, fine... You be the example. But an adult without children should be able to make the choice to smoke a joint in his own home or a designated establishment without having to worry about your children.

For my sake, I hope my children never choose to smoke weed... But if they do, I hope they wait until they are out of high school and their brains are developed. I will be parenting them in that direction, not by hiding the existence of it, but by educating them when they are 1) old enough to understand, and/or 2) old enough that I have to worry about it.

Thanks to prohibition, that age keeps creeping down.


If you are a responsible parent, you should have to worry about things like this...I see keep it illegal for the irresponsible parents.

[Sodak]

Why does the government have to tax it more than other other products? Seriously?

Marijuana should probably be taxed as much as alcohol.

This country would derive much more benefit from the legalization of Hemp than it would from the legalization of Marijuana...

Hemp should not be taxed any more than cotton or corn.

[2KBack]

I'm with TJ, I'm not quite a Libertarian, but I do agree with the statement "one persons rights end where another's begins." Sugar can make you fat and contribute to diabetes, Beer makes you drunk and contributes to liver disease, Nicotine causes cancer. Marijuana has never EVER been linked to any health problems, also it is not an addictive drug (physiologically, pychological dependencies can occur with anything). The excuse of keeping it illegal for the kids is pretty weak as well, seeing as how it is easier for a child to attain a dimebag than it is a beer. I smoke every once in a while, and I tell you what, I tend to crave caffine more than a toke.

[Hogan11]

Personally I don't use it so I really don't care.

Flame up and fry down if that melts your butter, I'll be in the bar.

[smalltowngrll]

haha....and teenagers don't have choices and brains of their own??

Responsible parenting means raising your children to have all of the information and to make informed wise choices. But, unless you follow your 16 year old around 24/7 and take away their right to begin making choices of their own, then they will make choices that parents/adults won't agree with. It's just part of growing up. Bad choices don't always mean the parent is a bad parent!

[djrcmay]

no, its very naughty.

[No1BroncoFan]

In light of the fact that alcohol is already legal I have to ask why pot isn't. Alcohol is more damaging to your body and more (or at least no more) dangerous to the people around you. Pot also doesn't impair your judgement as badly as alcohol.

But, Nancy Reagan said "Just say no" and some dimwit senator got it declared a "threshold" drug so they'll never make it legal.

Ben

[baja]

I think all drugs should be de criminalized taxed and quality controlled

[baja]

Marijuana should probably be taxed as much as alcohol.

This country would derive much more benefit from the legalization of Hemp than it would from the legalization of Marijuana...

Hemp should not be taxed any more than cotton or corn.

Huge future in hemp, huge....

[Ray Finkle]

In light of the fact that alcohol is already legal I have to ask why pot isn't. Alcohol is more damaging to your body and more (or at least no more) dangerous to the people around you. Pot also doesn't impair your judgement as badly as alcohol.

But, Nancy Reagan said "Just say no" and some dimwit senator got it declared a "threshold" drug so they'll never make it legal.

Ben

studies have shown that long term smoking can cause long term brain damage.

[Rock Chalk]

I think all drugs should be de criminalized taxed and quality controlled
One wonders if you had a daughter hooked on crack whoring herself out if you would think that.

[baja]

studies have shown that long term heavy smoking can cause long term brain damage.

what

[Rock Chalk]

haha....and teenagers don't have choices and brains of their own??
No. I know, I was a teenager once. Choices they have a plenty, brains they are lacking.

Responsible parenting means raising your children to have all of the information and to make informed wise choices. But, unless you follow your 16 year old around 24/7 and take away their right to begin making choices of their own, then they will make choices that parents/adults won't agree with. It's just part of growing up. Bad choices don't always mean the parent is a bad parent!
Id agree with that.

[kent156]

we are all going to hell














me first

[Rock Chalk]

we are all going to hell














me firstSpeak for yourself.

[Rock Chalk]

I wonder if those 61 that said yes would say yes if their child was a pothead who, at one time was a good student, but has since dropped out of school and found a career at mcdonalds flipping burgers.

[Willynowei]

Of course it should be legal!

McDonalds is legal and its a lot worse for your health.

[broncofan]

I voted yes.

The issue that a lot of people don't really think about is, you have to consider the people that are selling it right now. People obviously sell an illegal product, so to make it legal would eventually leaves those people without a clientel. It might force them to move into other drugs to sell underground and wouldn't really free up the prison system as much as we might think.

Although I am surprised that it hasn't been done as the government could make out well with marijuana being sold legally in the states.

[baja]

One wonders if you had a daughter hooked on crack whoring herself out if you would think that.

It is illegal now, are there no daughters whoring about?

maybe some of that tax money raised from the sale of mind altering substances could be used to educiate this girl where as she need no go down that road of drug use. or maybe those same tax dollars could provide a good recovery program. or maybe the decriminalized cost of the substance would be low enough that she would not need to whore to afford her nasty habit.

[2KBack]

I wonder if those 61 that said yes would say yes if their child was a pothead who, at one time was a good student, but has since dropped out of school and found a career at mcdonalds flipping burgers.

you make it sound like being legalized is going to make a difference in who uses Weed. Smoking weed would be a choice made by the individual, if your kid decides to get high instead of study, that's the kids fault, not the marijuana.

You are better than using an argument falacy like that.

[baja]

Alec do you think the war on drugs is working?

Do you think anyone with real power wants it to work?

[watermock]

Mock is on the E-85 bandwagon...corn power!

Its easier to kill escobar then fight this mafia.

legalize and tax.

[watermock]

Mock is on the E-85 bandwagon...corn power!

Its easier to kill escobar then fight this mafia.

legalize and tax. Call it modern day extortion. At least it goes into the war fund.

[watermock]

We can make alot of e-85 fuel just growing hemp in the desert if we can get enough water. Water low...hemp low...screw Baja...he gets waste water...

Seriously, we need about 20 new nuclear plants at a minimum. Safer, pellet plants.

[footstepsfrom#27]

It is illegal now, are there no daughters whoring about?

maybe some of that tax money raised from the sale of mind altering substances could be used to educiate this girl where as she need no go down that road of drug use. or maybe those same tax dollars could provide a good recovery program. or maybe the decriminalized cost of the substance would be low enough that she would not need to whore to afford her nasty habit.
This will suprise some of you...but I voted "Yes". That's a seperate issue to the NFL players using it though...in any case...I argue for legalization based on the drug laws being more destructive than the drugs themselves, and the fact that decriminalization cuts the black market profit motive out from under the drug lords...which reduces crime by applying simple economic scale. However, on the issue of education...everyone KNOWS this stuff isn't a good idea from a health standpoint, etc....already...so legalizing would do nothing but serve to cast doubt on that. From a treatment perspective, in terms of using drug produced taxation to funnel money into treatment programs...the idea of using tax money from pot sales might mitigate health care costs for treatment but the problem is that most drug treatment programs don't work. My perspective comes from what I observed when I was working in the rehab/mental health system for about 15 years from '87 to 2002...plus being a drug education counselor in the criminal justice system before that. Of particular note...12 step programs are almost useless as an intervention method with a very low success rate.

If anyone's interested in this for yourself or family/friends, etc...read The Truth About Addiction and Recovery by Stanton Peele and Archie Brodsky. IMO it's the best source of info on what really works for treating drug and alcohol addiction ever written.

[2KBack]

This will suprise some of you...but I voted "Yes". That's a seperate issue to the NFL players using it though...in any case...I argue for legalization based on the drug laws being more destructive than the drugs themselves, and the fact that decriminalization cuts the black market profit motive out from under the drug lords...which reduces crime by applying simple economic scale. However, on the issue of education...everyone KNOWS this stuff isn't a good idea from a health standpoint, etc....already...so legalizing would do nothing but serve to cast doubt on that. From a treatment perspective, in terms of using drug produced taxation to funnel money into treatment programs...the idea of using tax money from pot sales might mitigate health care costs for treatment but the problem is that most drug treatment programs don't work. My perspective comes from what I observed when I was working in the rehab/mental health system for about 15 years from '87 to 2002...plus being a drug education counselor in the criminal justice system before that. Of particular note...12 step programs are almost useless as an intervention method with a very low success rate.

If anyone's interested in this for yourself or family/friends, etc...read The Truth About Addiction and Recovery by Stanton Peele and Archie Brodsky. IMO it's the best source of info on what really works for treating drug and alcohol addiction ever written.

I agree with a lot of that, but people don't typically go to rehab for marijuana. This is where the myth of the gateway drug comes into play, people assume that if someone started with weed and then at some point got hooked on another drug, that the weed habit was what led to it. That is a complete farce, the addictive personalities lead to the habits, and weed is easy to attain. Often these people abuse a lot of different drugs until they find their vice of choice.

oh yeah, I also think that if it gets leaglized people might get off their ass and offer some accurate education on the subject. There are more myths and lies about weed than any other drug out there.

[REB]

I voted yes. I have a libertarian viewpoint on this matter. We are not the governments children and should not be told what we can and cannot put into our own bodies. As long as you do not go out and harm someone else or their property then no one should care what you do. Man, I haven't had a joint in 15 yrs. and now I'm in the mood for one :)

[footstepsfrom#27]

I agree with a lot of that, but people don't typically go to rehab for marijuana. This is where the myth of the gateway drug comes into play, people assume that if someone started with weed and then at some point got hooked on another drug, that the weed habit was what led to it. That is a complete farce, the addictive personalities lead to the habits, and weed is easy to attain. Often these people abuse a lot of different drugs until they find their vice of choice.

oh yeah, I also think that if it gets leaglized people might get off their ass and offer some accurate education on the subject. There are more myths and lies about weed than any other drug out there.
A myriad of conflicting and confusing research exists about pot smoking, and unless you are 1) a skilled prevention science research analyst, and 2) have oodles of free time to track down original source material, cross check hundreds of research findings against other studies, match dissimiliar findings from identical data sets and evaluate internal and external validity and reliability, run statistical models on dozens of variables, dig up hidden agendas and other info on financial partnerships and research sponsorship...basically just generally limit your entire life to nothing but sitting in front of a computer screen...it's a good idea to say we don't really know for sure what this stuff does.

Research has linked weed to everything from prenatal birth defects to carsinogenic cellular disturbances. Some believe chronic usage causes short term memory loss and others think it's completely harmless. Whether you accept all, some, or none of this is up to you. Personally, I go on the basis of common sense. Smoking ANYTHING into your lungs that can leave a residue in your air sacks...and using ANYTHING that alters your mental grasp of reality...probably has some health risks associated with it. Personally I think alcohol is probably worse, but that's not exactly a ringing endorsement since booze kills upwards of 60,000 people a year on the highways, causes thousands of more deaths through liver disease, etc...not to mention the social effects like domestic violence, workplace productivity loss...etc...etc...

One thing I'm fairly sure of is that weed isn't PHYSICALLY addictive outside of chronic (multiple uses every day over at least 2 years) use but is psychologically addictive regardless of whether one has an "addictive" personality (a concept I reject) or not. In rehab the worst drugs for physical addiction and difficulty in kicking it IMO and in no particular order are Heroin, Crack, Nicotine, Alcohol and prescription drugs, especially psychotropic medications like antidepressants and tranquilizers. If someone held a gun to my head and said rank these things...I'd put prescription drugs at the top of the list...and the rest beneath them. Cigarettes are probably #2...alcohol #3...Crack and Heroin...toss in Meth there...and pot doesn't even show up on the radar screen.

I still don't want Ricky Williams.;D

[broncocalijohn]

I'm torn on this one....and I'm not a smoker...

Here's why....

Part of me says, yes, legalize it and tax it! The reason being...it's no worse than alcohol and no worse than smoking tobacco (medically speaking).

The other part of me says no...because of what I've seen and what my job is...etc. (Still torn on that one, though)

I've seen industrial (on the job) accidents from those that have been under the influence of Marajuana that are ugly. Who knows if it was the full on cause of the accident, or not..but, it was a contributor. However, if it's legalized, employers can still test for it just like they are permitted to test for Alcohol...so, in that sense, I'm alright with it for the "recreation" use.


ps...be kind while you all rip on me...haha LOL

You are a mommy! If pot is legal, how can we make fun of the NBA? I like reading the arrest of the day for athletes.

[broncocalijohn]

I voted yes. I have a libertarian viewpoint on this matter. We are not the governments children and should not be told what we can and cannot put into our own bodies. As long as you do not go out and harm someone else or their property then no one should care what you do. Man, I haven't had a joint in 15 yrs. and now I'm in the mood for one :)


I just love the libertarian view. Make sure you are consistent on all points. When a Mom gives birth to a drug addict baby, "hey, she can do what she wants with her body!" Also, with your libertarian views, make sure no funding is given to her or her baby. Not wearing a helmet when riding a motorcycle? No problem. But when you hit your noggin on the pavement, you better have private insurance cause government wont be paying for the medical bills. If all Libertarians thought like that (str8 no assistance), I would say OK, but face it we are not accountable for our actions. Somebody (tax payers) will pay for others mistakes.

[uk bronco]

I'd have to say that's a reach. Don't see how smoking pot would ever make someone do something like that.

neither do i but that was what they were saying at the time of the trial. He was a wird goth looking kid. But the claims he smoked up to 20 joints a day combined with the gfact that his brain was still developing could have sent him mental. I love to get high but if i smoke 5 joints a day for 3-4 days i start to notice a slowing down of my reactions and ****.

[kent156]

Speak for yourself.

come on you really think you are talking to god it's lucifer buddy

[Ray Finkle]

what


I fixed it...

[Orange_Beard]

Not if all you are going to do is get stoned and surf the internet..........

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Not if all you are going to do is get stoned and surf the internet..........

What's wrong with that?

[broncohaven]

I voted no. While I don't think it is a terrible idea, I think it is unwise. Everyone can say that it harmless haven't check all the facts. Much like let's say beer, weed has shown to slow motor functions and impare section of the brain. Weed also lowers motivation in long term users.

Legalizing it would only open the flood gates for some people that have never touched it to try it. So while the people that smoke it can rejoice in their new laws, you could be addicting (it is an addictive drug) others. Just for that chance I would not want to legalize it.

I have nothing against people that smoke, I just would not want my kids (when I ever have some) to be able to freely buy some at the local 7-11.This is the only argument the anti-potters have to stand on, and it's complete hearsay with no roots in fact. Last time I checked beer was legal, and alcohol has ruined more lives than pot ever will. It's certainly less harmful than both tobacco and alcohol, so the "it's not harmless" approach doesn't hold any water.

I love the "floodgates" argument. Like people by the masses have dealers on speed dial just waiting for the feds to legalize it. That's like saying the masses wait until they're 21 to touch a beer for the first time. I drank more heavily before I turned 21 than I have since.

Marijuana has proven almost entirely unaddictive physically. People smoke regularly because they like it, but there is no physical addiction like there is with alcohol or tabacco. Heavy pot smokers have no withdrawal symptoms even if they quit cold turkey.

The child use point is my main point for legalizing pot. All through high school my friends and I had to go to absurd lengths to get beer or liquor, but it was as easy to get dope as it was a pack of gum. By having no control over pot you have no control over who gets ahold of it.

The thing that chaps my a$$ the most is that this is a plant, that grows prodigiously by itself and the gov. feels they have the right say what I can or can't do with a plant. Because it grows so easily is why the gov. hasn't yet legalized it. It would be hard to effectively tax because it's so easy to grow privately. 'Feel free to abuse the drugs that we dole out, and can easily tax".

[Ray Finkle]

This is the only argument the anti-potters have to stand on, and it's complete hearsay with no roots in fact. Last time I checked beer was legal, and alcohol has ruined more lives than pot ever will. It's certainly less harmful than both tobacco and alcohol, so the "it's not harmless" approach doesn't hold any water.

I love the "floodgates" argument. Like people by the masses have dealers on speed dial just waiting for the feds to legalize it. That's like saying the masses wait until they're 21 to touch a beer for the first time. I drank more heavily before I turned 21 than I have since.

Marijuana has proven almost entirely unaddictive physically. People smoke regularly because they like it, but there is no physical addiction like there is with alcohol or tabacco. Heavy pot smokers have no withdrawal symptoms even if they quit cold turkey.

The child use point is my main point for legalizing pot. All through high school my friends and I had to go to absurd lengths to get beer or liquor, but it was as easy to get dope as it was a pack of gum. By having no control over pot you have no control over who gets ahold of it.

The thing that chaps my a$$ the most is that this is a plant, that grows prodigiously by itself and the gov. feels they have the right say what I can or can't do with a plant. Because it grows so easily is why the gov. hasn't yet legalized it. It would be hard to effectively tax because it's so easy to grow privately. 'Feel free to abuse the drugs that we dole out, and can easily tax".

I know that is true from clinical research. Heavy pot smokers typically have bouts of depression after quitting. I understand your points and while they are valid, I don't agree with them.

[GSRelyea]

Legalize It
Peter Tosh

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it


Some call it tampee
Some call it the weed
Some call it Marijuana
Some of them call it Ganja

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it


Singer smoke it
And players of instruments too
Legalize it, yeah, yeah
That's the best thing you can do
Doctors smoke it
Nurses smoke it
Judges smoke it
Even the lawyers too

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it


It's good for the flu
It's good for asthma
Good for tuberculosis
Even umara composis

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it


Bird eat it
And they leve it
Fowls eat it
Goats love to play with it

[AlienBronco]

I can't stand the smell of cigarettes......

So I would vote no.

[Spider]

I voted yes ........ I dont smoke , but damn booze is far worse , get drunk get rowdy , get high and the only thing under attack is the fridge .............

[Orange_Beard]

What's wrong with that?

Take a day or 2 off the weed and read a few of your own posts.

You might get it.

[broncoholic]

Not legalized, be DEcriminalized.
I don't think it should be sold at seven eleven, but you should be able to go to your Dr. and get a prescription for a certain amount per month and pick it up at the pharmacy. This method would keep it out of the hands of people under say 23 years old.
Also, to get a prescription you should get an lung checkout every year, and
a background check could include no violent offenses, and no history of lung cancer.

This would be a small but attainable step.

[-Slap-]

Legalize It
Peter Tosh

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it


Some call it tampee
Some call it the weed
Some call it Marijuana
Some of them call it Ganja

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it


Singer smoke it
And players of instruments too
Legalize it, yeah, yeah
That's the best thing you can do
Doctors smoke it
Nurses smoke it
Judges smoke it
Even the lawyers too

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it


It's good for the flu
It's good for asthma
Good for tuberculosis
Even umara composis

Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it


Bird eat it
And they leve it
Fowls eat it
Goats love to play with it

Peter Tosh was gunned down by acquaintances about 20 years ago. Weed is supposed to mellow you out, but these Jamaicans sure find violent ways to send their brothers to the next plane.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

For the love of humanity.......

Don't Do It!!!!!!




http://images.greencine.com/images/article/reefer-madness.jpg






http://holocaust-info.dk/weblog/images/badweed.jpg
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[-Slap-]

The Smoke of Hell!

[sippybrew]

Should absolutely be legal. IMHO no one has the right to decide what you do as long as you do not hurt anyone else. Now if you are under the influence and hurt someone else such as a car accident or a work accident then you shoudl be fully prosecuted just as like alcohol incidents.

Bottom line is people are going to smoke pot, people are going to drink beer etc. Those things by themselves should not be crimes with responsible use. Liberty requires responsibility.

[GonzoLays]

I wonder if those 61 that said yes would say yes if their child was a pothead who, at one time was a good student, but has since dropped out of school and found a career at mcdonalds flipping burgers.

If the kid is that easily influenced, then alcohol would have gotten him first. People without self control rarely make it life, regardless what is legal or not.

[Sassy]

I haven't read through all of the posts...
...so what if it's legal...and a woman is smoking it and then finds out she's pregnant...(not by choice)...what effects is that going to have on the baby she's carrying?

Yeah...that can happen illegal or not...but it probably would happen more if it was.

[anthonypacino]

I voted no, I have not ever used it and I never will. I have friends who do and I have seen it be a gateway drug for some and not for others. I would be in favor of legalizing it if they control it like gambling is done. maybe some state it is legal or some counties to try it out and see the economic, and other impacts it has to those communities.

[Natedogg]

I voted it should be legal. Though I am not a libertarian, I believe in the liberty to chose what one does in his life, as long as it does not harm others.

As pointed out earlier in this thread, thomas jefferson and george washington grew hemp. And I believe that the freedom to grow/find/harvest and smoke a plant if one chooses is inherently "American."

I have smoked pot on and off since I was 16. Have I done some dumb things when i was high or (even worse!) been lazy? Sure! But I have done dumb things and been lazy even when I havent smoked. And just for the record, the dumb things I have done while high on pot do not even begin to compare to the dumb things I have done while drunk on alcohol.

Also, until I was 21, it was much easier for me to obtain weed than alcohol. I'm not sure legalising weed would do much/anything to help this.

And lastly, not to brag, but I just got back from a 3 day trip to amsterdam. :)

[Natedogg]

Do as I say b****, not as I do.

Haha.

No seriously. I smoke because it relaxes me. I dont want it legal because by and large the majority of habitual smokers are worthless. Non-violent sure, but worthless to society in general.

Im a burn out, but every day I get up and go to work. I do my job before I smoke and have a set routine. I hurt no one etc, blah blah. Adults is fine, but you cannot amke it legal for adults without making it easier access to children. Children can be hurt severely by weed. lack of ambition and memory loss during the years when they are supposed to be acheiving the height of their imagination and desires and supposed to be learning valuable lessons for life.

I smoked and ****ed up and took the hard way and it was much much more difficult than it should have been. I was also blessed with parents that would help me out no matter how ****ty I had been. Not everyonee is as lucky as I am and because of that children who smoke will have much more difficult road. In a world that is already difficult, why make it harder?

I think this is a really good point. I have good parents too. I never really f'ed up but i was taught moderation and probably my fear of having the **** smacked out of me by my dad is what held me from going onto the wrong path.

I know kids with ****ty parents who never smoked dope and now their lives are pretty crappy. Not to be redundant, but as was discussed in the "school teachers" thread I think that parenting is the lynchpin in most political/moral discussions. :puff:

[Natedogg]

I think it is also asinine to have the "I can smoke weed because I can handle it, but everyone else needs to be protected because they can't" pov

[Denver Crush]

If your child is a pot head its your own fault as a parent. Why doesnt anyone place blame on the parents? Its always someone/thing elses fault. **** that!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I haven't read through all of the posts...
...so what if it's legal...and a woman is smoking it and then finds out she's pregnant...(not by choice)...what effects is that going to have on the baby she's carrying?

Yeah...that can happen illegal or not...but it probably would happen more if it was.
Doing any drugs while pregnant is a risk. Probably less than alcohol.

[Sassy]

Doing any drugs while pregnant is a risk. Probably less than alcohol.
I'm saying if a woman didn't know she was pregnant...and was smoking for recreational purposes because it was legal.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I'm saying if a woman didn't know she was pregnant...and was smoking for recreational purposes because it was legal.Probably very little risk since a woman isn't going to not know she is pregnant for long.

[smalltowngrll]

If your child is a pot head its your own fault as a parent. Why doesnt anyone place blame on the parents? Its always someone/thing elses fault. **** that!

Are you a parent of a teenager?? have you ever raised a teenager??

Yea...I'll agree...there is some BAD parenting out there..no doubt! BUt, if you think that every choice a teenager makes is in response to bad parenting, then you are completely misled! Wake up and smell the coffee, people have a right to choose what they do....informed or not. Did you do everything as your parents told you to?

[Sassy]

Probably very little risk since a woman isn't going to not know she is pregnant for long.
Yes. But still a risk to that unborn child...what right does that unborn baby have?

[GSRelyea]

Yes. But still a risk to that unborn child...what right does that unborn baby have?

Can't the same be said for a woman drinking a beer?

[Pendejo]

Yes. But still a risk to that unborn child...what right does that unborn baby have?

Under the premise that she doesn't know. What would happen if she smoked some cigarettes or threw back a fifth of Bushmills. Birth defects? The fact of the matter is we know what happens when women smoke dunhills or drink when with child, but no one knows for sure what the effects of mary jane are. It's pure conjecture.

Using your logic that it's a risk to an unborn child (the woman is innocent as she doesn't know of course)...both liquor and cigarettes should be illegal too.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Yes. But still a risk to that unborn child...what right does that unborn baby have?
If you drink alcohol you expose a baby to the same kind of risks (more than likely a lot worse).

Using your reasoning, if you're a woman, you should never drink, do any drugs (prescribed or not) smoke, eat processed foods, dairy, red meat, etc, etc... unless you get fixed first. :)

[Ray Finkle]

Under the premise that she doesn't know. What would happen if she smoked some cigarettes or threw back a fifth of Bushmills. Birth defects? The fact of the matter is we know what happens when women smoke dunhills or drink when with child, but no one knows for sure what the effects of mary jane are. It's pure conjecture.

Using your logic that it's a risk to an unborn child (the woman is innocent as she doesn't know of course)...both liquor and cigarettes should be illegal too.

It can lead to a higher % risk of the child either having ashma or another breathing issue.

[Ray Finkle]

If the kid is that easily influenced, then alcohol would have gotten him first. People without self control rarely make it life, regardless what is legal or not.


that is not true...I know growing up it was easier to find someone to sell you weed then beer....

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It can lead to a higher % risk of the child either having ashma or another breathing issue.

You want to cite some study that shows that?

[Sassy]

If you drink alcohol you expose a baby to the same kind of risks (more than likely a lot worse).

Using your reasoning, if you're a woman, you should never drink, do any drugs (prescribed or not) smoke, eat processed foods, dairy, red meat, etc, etc... unless you get fixed first. :)
That's true...but the more "legal" it is...the more likely it is going to be used, I think.

[Ray Finkle]

You want to cite some study that shows that?

I am still trying to find that exact article but look under the PHYSIOLOGICAL HARMS: TISSUE AND ORGAN DAMAGE heading of this link...

http://fermat.nap.edu/html/marimed/ch3.html


I can't find the exact article that went over that study. Here is a part of the link above:

For most of these studies, much of the harm associated with marijuana use is consistent with that associated with tobacco use, and smoking is an important factor, so the contribution of cannabinoids cannot be confirmed. However, Jamaican women who use marijuana rarely smoke it; but instead prepare it as tea.<!--_refNote_-->³⁷<!--_/refNote_--> In a study of neonates born to Jamaican women who did or did not ingest marijuana during pregnancy, there was no difference in neurobehavioral assessments made at three days after birth and at one month.<!--_refNote_-->³⁸<!--_/refNote_--> A limitation of the study is that there was no direct measure of marijuana use. Estimates of marijuana use were based on self-reports, which might be more accurate in Jamaica than in the United States because less social stigma is associated with marijuana use in Jamaica but still are less reliable than direct measures.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

That's true...but the more "legal" it is...the more likely it is going to be used, I think.
Kinda like alcohol and tobacco?

[Sassy]

Kinda like alcohol and tobacco?
Yes...and NO I'm not saying make those illegal either. I'm just saying we don't need any more potential damaging substances that are legal.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I am still trying to find that exact article but look under the PHYSIOLOGICAL HARMS: TISSUE AND ORGAN DAMAGE heading of this link...

http://fermat.nap.edu/html/marimed/ch3.html


I can't find the exact article that went over that study. Here is a part of the link above:

For most of these studies, much of the harm associated with marijuana use is consistent with that associated with tobacco use, and smoking is an important factor, so the contribution of cannabinoids cannot be confirmed. However, Jamaican women who use marijuana rarely smoke it; but instead prepare it as tea.<!--_refNote_-->³⁷<!--_/refNote_--> In a study of neonates born to Jamaican women who did or did not ingest marijuana during pregnancy, there was no difference in neurobehavioral assessments made at three days after birth and at one month.<!--_refNote_-->³⁸<!--_/refNote_--> A limitation of the study is that there was no direct measure of marijuana use. Estimates of marijuana use were based on self-reports, which might be more accurate in Jamaica than in the United States because less social stigma is associated with marijuana use in Jamaica but still are less reliable than direct measures.
Those studies deal with chronic use and the author states they are inconclusive. I think we're talking about recreational use for the time period a woman becomes pregnant to the time she realizes it here.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Yes...and NO I'm not saying make those illegal either. I'm just saying we don't need any more potential damaging substances that are legal.

And I say once we reach adulthood we should be able to decide what we put into our bodies and what we don't. :)

[Sassy]

And I say once we reach adulthood we should be able to decide what we put into our bodies and what we don't. :)
I agree with that...but I'm saying that unborn child doesn't have a choice...and in this type of case, you are potentially harming another "person".

[Ray Finkle]

Those studies deal with chronic use and the author states they are inconclusive. I think we're talking about recreational use for the time period a woman becomes pregnant to the time she realizes it here.


I know...I picked that article to back up the other quotes that heavy use can have damage to your body and mind. The article I can't find also looked at chronic use since it is easier to measure and study.....

[2KBack]

I agree with that...but I'm saying that unborn child doesn't have a choice...and in this type of case, you are potentially harming another "person".

I'm not an expert on pregnancy, but I would think that it would be pretty harmless at the very beginning of a pregnancy. I mean, if substances effected a child in the first few weeks of a pregnancy we'd all have fetal alcohol syndrome. After that, it's on the mother.

BTW, the last couple of pages of this thing have been a very good debate, I'm impressed.

[Natedogg]

I agree with that...but I'm saying that unborn child doesn't have a choice...and in this type of case, you are potentially harming another "person".
if a person rides a horse when she has an unborn baby inside her, it could harm the "person." Should horseriding be outlawed as well?

I see you point and agree with it (if a woman thinks she may be pregnant she should probably not drink smoke cigs/weed or ride horses), i just think it's not the best angle to take on this issue.

[Ray Finkle]

I'm not an expert on pregnancy, but I would think that it would be pretty harmless at the very beginning of a pregnancy. I mean, if substances effected a child in the first few weeks of a pregnancy we'd all have fetal alcohol syndrome. After that, it's on the mother.

BTW, the last couple of pages of this thing have been a very good debate, I'm impressed.


There are some circles that believe toking a little in the morning will help control morning sickness....but again it is hard to make conclusions like this....

[12th man]

Alcohol and weed are the same in that it messes with your head and fvcks with your perception if you have to much of either. It's all about control. People who can't control the alcohol are worhtless, and people that can't control their weed/drugs are worthless. Im not talking about the people that go out on the weekends to get jacked up, Im talking about the people that do it 24/7. With that said I voted yes because weed and alcohol are all the same except with weed you don't have a hangover. It's the other drugs you have to look out for. Those are the ones that kill your brain cells.

I was watching Chris Rock the other night, and he said: Do you know why weed is illegal in the United States? Because it's notthe governments drug. It's not from America. Our governmet want you to buy their drugs; asprin, prozak and all this. They wanna get you hooked on some legal shiit! They just keep on naming symptoms until they name you that you fvckin' got. It's like: are you sad, are you lonely, you got athletes foot? Are you hot, are you cold, what you got? Ya want this pill huh, mothafvcka? You gotta take this pill! And they don't even tell you what the pill does, you see a lady on a horse, or a man in a tub... And they just keep namin' symptoms: are you depressed, are you lonely, do your teeth hurt, what the fvck? I saw a commercial the other day that said, "Do you go to bed at night and wake up in the mo'nin?" Oh shiit they got one! I got that! I'm sick, I need that pill!"

funny stuff.

[Ray Finkle]

if a person rides a horse when she has an unborn baby inside her, it could harm the "person." Should horseriding be outlawed as well?

I see you point and agree with it (if a woman thinks she may be pregnant she should probably not drink smoke cigs/weed or ride horses), i just think it's not the best angle to take on this issue.


that is a poor example. Women can ride horses while pregnant....just not after the second trimester. My sister ran a triathlon when in the second semester and Jack is a happy heathly baby. Go to the gym in the morning and you will see plenty of pregnant women in spining classes or step classes...

[Sassy]

There are some circles that believe toking a little in the morning will help control morning sickness....but again it is hard to make conclusions like this....
That's the point...we don't know.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I agree with that...but I'm saying that unborn child doesn't have a choice...and in this type of case, you are potentially harming another "person".
And I send you right back up to my post on all the things that MAY be harmful. If you're worried about a woman unknowing harming a fetus before she's aware of a pregnancy should we pass a law confining all women to sanitized stations until they start showing?

[REB]

that is not true...I know growing up it was easier to find someone to sell you weed then beer....

This was true for me growing up as well. There were a lot of older teens who had nickel/dime bags of weed for sale. But we'd have to stand outside a liquor store all night to finally find someone who would buy us some beer and most nights it didn't happen so we'd try to get into college party's which didn't work very often either :)

1-2-3 :Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

[Mile High Shack]

I think in the case of prego women who are in the first few weeks of pregnancy but still don’t know yet, usually these types of things don’t effect the child b/c until week (can’t remember, I use to know since my wife was just prego) …well it’s later on, when most rational people would realize they were pregnant, the fetus feeds off a “yolk sac” so a little bit of consumption of alcohol or smoke would not effect it

[Natedogg]

that is a poor example. Women can ride horses while pregnant....just not after the second trimester. My sister ran a triathlon when in the second semester and Jack is a happy heathly baby. Go to the gym in the morning and you will see plenty of pregnant women in spining classes or step classes...

fair enough. i have an aquaintence who had a miscarage and was an avid horse rider. I dont know all the circumstances though. Maybe going on a rollercoaster is a better example. (i think they have signs not to)

[2KBack]

On an off note, I only want it legalized if swisher sweets is gonna come out with a blunt of their own. That would be tastey.

[Ray Finkle]

fair enough. i have an aquaintence who had a miscarage and was an avid horse rider. I dont know all the circumstances though. Maybe going on a rollercoaster is a better example. (i think they have signs not to)

sometimes misscariages just happen.

[Ray Finkle]

I think in the case of prego women who are in the first few weeks of pregnancy but still don’t know yet, usually these types of things don’t effect the child b/c until week (can’t remember, I use to know since my wife was just prego) …well it’s later on, when most rational people would realize they were pregnant, the fetus feeds off a “yolk sac” so a little bit of consumption of alcohol or smoke would not effect it


I think that is about week 6...that is when the heart should start to beat.

[Denver Crush]

Are you a parent of a teenager?? have you ever raised a teenager??

Yea...I'll agree...there is some BAD parenting out there..no doubt! BUt, if you think that every choice a teenager makes is in response to bad parenting, then you are completely misled! Wake up and smell the coffee, people have a right to choose what they do....informed or not. Did you do everything as your parents told you to?

No, I have not raised a teenager, but I have been one. I know what teenagers do. The point still remains. Parents are the key. I never said every choice is the parents fault. If your kid is ****ed up, you as a parent need to take responsibility and make an attempt to help your kid.

[Denver Crush]

You all act like we're talking about hardcore drugs , like heroin, meth, and coke....this is not the same thing. It doesnt do the same thing to your mind or body. Ive been smoking since I was in highschool. I served in the Navy, I have very well paying job, a house, a wife, a dog, never had any issues with the law, and I pay my ****ing taxes. What the **** is so wrong about puffing once in a while?

[Ray Finkle]

You all act like we're talking about hardcore drugs , like heroin, meth, and coke....this is not the same thing. It doesnt do the same thing to your mind or body. Ive been smoking since I was in highschool. I served in the Navy, I have very well paying job, a house, a wife, a dog, never had any issues with the law, and I pay my ****ing taxes. What the **** is so wrong about puffing once in a while?

I don't think you have really read this thread....Many people just don't want it legal. You could smoke cat nip for all I care.....

[Sassy]

Hardcore or not...I don't want it legalized.

[Arkie]

http://www.subtoneproject.com/images/yoda_marijuana.jpg
"Fear leads to anger...anger leads to stress...stress leads to doobies...doobies lead to Twinkies.
Resolve conflict you will by de-emphasizing aggressiveness and stroking the receptive side of the force.”

[Rock Chalk]

You all act like we're talking about hardcore drugs , like heroin, meth, and coke....this is not the same thing. It doesnt do the same thing to your mind or body. Ive been smoking since I was in highschool. I served in the Navy, I have very well paying job, a house, a wife, a dog, never had any issues with the law, and I pay my ****ing taxes. What the **** is so wrong about puffing once in a while?
Say man, other than the Navy part, Im right there with you. Only, I dont want it legal.

You, me, some people, we do all of the above. But thats not most tokers. Most tokers are burnouts and mostly I just dont think that making it legal will benefit kids. With it illegal, at least there is a deterrant there and at least its a "drug" offense to curb some kids from using it.

Is not that I think its wrong, its just that I think that it will do more harm than good by legalizing it, at least for the youth of this country.

[RaiderH8r]

Say man, other than the Navy part, Im right there with you. Only, I dont want it legal.

You, me, some people, we do all of the above. But thats not most tokers. Most tokers are burnouts and mostly I just dont think that making it legal will benefit kids. With it illegal, at least there is a deterrant there and at least its a "drug" offense to curb some kids from using it.

Is not that I think its wrong, its just that I think that it will do more harm than good by legalizing it, at least for the youth of this country.
Horsesh!t. You're just hording all the sticky icky.;D

Seriousness aside. Burnouts are burnouts regardless of whatever drugs they are or are not using. Fvck ups will always find a way to fvck up because that's what they do. Serious and fundamental issues need to be addressed for fvck ups to cease being so. Does pot help, absolutely not. Would I rather light a fattie than chug a beer, you bet. Am I willing to risk being caught with illegal drugs to satisfy my urge to relax? No. Does that suck? Yes. It's a short trip from gainfully employed to janitor because you get busted with a dime sack and lose your job. I made it through college in 3 years and grad school in 2 and smoked plenty of weed doing it. I just was wise enough to get my sh!t done for the day before I lit up. A treat, if you will, for a day of hard work.

And screw kids. Everything in this country is about the kids. Kids just need to accept (or have beaten into them) that adults get to do some sh!t that they don't. Yes, it's a double standard. No, it's not going to change. And, if I catch you doing sh!t I disapprove of there are going to be consequences. Now pack daddy's bong.

[Denver Crush]

Look where all this nurturing the youth is going. We have kids that get to do whatever the hell they want without many limits. Hell you cant even spank your kid without getting arrested these days. Beatings should come back into style. I got my ass beat blue, and I turned out rather well according to those who know me. No punishment=no respect

[No1BroncoFan]

studies have shown that long term smoking can cause long term brain damage.
And alcohol won't? Along with liver and, in some cases, kidney damage. Good Lord, I don't think there are many who will claim it's harmless, but it's not as damaging as alcohol which is legal.

Making it legal will make it harder for kids to get as well. Simply sell it through the local liquor stores. No, it's not a perfect solution, but with the "shoulder-tapping" laws in place in most state people simply won't sell to or buy for kids any more.

Ben

[Ray Finkle]

And alcohol won't? Along with liver and, in some cases, kidney damage. Good Lord, I don't think there are many who will claim it's harmless, but it's not as damaging as alcohol which is legal.

Making it legal will make it harder for kids to get as well. Simply sell it through the local liquor stores. No, it's not a perfect solution, but with the "shoulder-tapping" laws in place in most state people simply won't sell to or buy for kids any more.

Ben

Have you read more then one post? Everyone was saying weed is harmless, I supported facts that it isn't. Where did I say alcohol wasn't harmfull?....jeez, read a page or two before you try to throw me under the bus...

[Denver Crush]

everything you do is harmful, you should just lock yourself indoors and become a hermit.

[Pendejo]

That's true...but the more "legal" it is...the more likely it is going to be used, I think.

Think of prohibition. It didn't curtail drinking...it made it a vice that was en vogue. Valuable resources were wasted in it's policing, and scum bags (no the Kennedy's of course) made millions off of bootlegging.

The fact of the matter is that marijuana can be used in a number of ways. It can be smoked...ingested...etc. It's not physically addictive like things such as booze, and smokes.

At this point in time there is not a person on earth other than perhaps the lobbyists representing the pharmaceutical companies that can provied any reasoning as to why it should be illegal.

[loborugger]

Here's my take on weed...

I believe God made the earth and everything in it. Therefore, he put weed here for a reason. I dont think it is a mistake that poppies grow many places and they have pain relief properties - morphine, opium, and heroin all come from the plant. I also dont think that it is a mistake the coca plant grows high in the Andes, where the locals chew on it for an energy boost. I tend, therefore, to lean towards those that argue for medicinal marijuana.

Having said that, weed has a large potential for abuse. However, so does alcohol, cheese burgers, sex, and just about everything else.

However, I have two arguements for keeping it illegal.

1. The most vile humans currently control the drug trade, including marijuana. These are the kinda guys that (literally) put kids and grandmother's heads in a tortilla press when shipments gets lost. There list of atrocities are long and disguisting. They prey on the weak and think only of themselves. To make weed legitimate would be to make them legit (and their $$$) legit. I think that would have horrible effects on our society.

The ez sidestep to that problem is to grow your own, so...

2. The silliness of controlling some mind altering substances, and not controlling others. Of course I cant prove this, but I bet my bottom dollar that if weed was legalized tomorrow, 20 years from now there would be groups organized to legalize coke... heroin... meth... name your favorite drug. Heck, the Gary Johnson, the former Gov of NM called for all legalization... and then back down when someone asked him if this platform called for legalizing heroin.

If I could wave a magic wand - poof - I would go back 50 to 100 years and legalize the crap. Back before the worst of humanity controlled the trade. I would lead the Gov'ts efforts towards discouraging use of the stuff, not eliminating it. Drugs are Pandora's Box. We cant go back to a time before the knowledge of their powers was known. That is what elimination seeks to do.

[No1BroncoFan]

Have you read more then one post? Everyone was saying weed is harmless, I supported facts that it isn't. Where did I say alcohol wasn't harmfull?....jeez, read a page or two before you try to throw me under the bus...
I was replying directly to your direct reply to me. Sorry if that hurt your feelings. My initial point was that there is already a more harmful drug (alcohol) available, legally. You seemed to be disagreeing with that. D@mn, don't get 'em in such a wad. It's just a message board.

And no, not "everyone" is saying it's harmless.

Ben

[ludo21]

keep it illegal.

[Ray Finkle]

I was replying directly to your direct reply to me. Sorry if that hurt your feelings. My initial point was that there is already a more harmful drug (alcohol) available, legally. You seemed to be disagreeing with that. D@mn, don't get 'em in such a wad. It's just a message board.

And no, not "everyone" is saying it's harmless.

Ben

Quote:
Originally Posted by No1BroncoFan
In light of the fact that alcohol is already legal I have to ask why pot isn't. Alcohol is more damaging to your body and more (or at least no more) dangerous to the people around you. Pot also doesn't impair your judgement as badly as alcohol.

But, Nancy Reagan said "Just say no" and some dimwit senator got it declared a "threshold" drug so they'll never make it legal.

Ben

Here is what I posted....

studies have shown that long term smoking can cause long term brain damage.

I was simply pointing out that pot does have harmful effects on the brain. You made it appear to be nothing...

[broncohaven]

I think Alec stated it best in post 39....Adults is fine, but you cannot amke it legal for adults without making it easier access to children. Children can be hurt severely by weed. lack of ambition and memory loss during the years when they are supposed to be acheiving the height of their imagination and desires and supposed to be learning valuable lessons for life.
I think Alec stated the perfect argument for legalization. Ask a High school kid to buy you a six pack and he'll look at you cross eyed. Ask him to get you a bag of dope, and he'll be back in twenty minutes with three different varieties in varying price ranges.

You've never smoked dope if you suggest that you've reached the height of your imagination without it.

[Hogan11]

I'm just sick and tired of people using this issue to dismiss Libertarians as a whole.

Yeah, some want it legalized...but many don't, still others really don't care as there are much more important issues in the world than whether some stoner wants to flame up legally or not.....civil liberties are being chipped away in the name of safety and the common good and that's a much more pressing issue than this is....or ever will be.

[broncohaven]

Here is what I posted....

studies have shown that long term smoking can cause long term brain damage.

I was simply pointing out that pot does have harmful effects on the brain. You made it appear to be nothing...
There are no such definitive studies on reefer. Smoking anything regularly for long term will cause problems, but with pot you can get the same effect (sometimes even better if you do it right) by simply eating it. Why not legalize it as a vegetable.

However, studies have shown that decades of pot use can lead to old age.

People using legal drugs will be dead far sooner than pot smokers will be with similar usage. That doesn't even touch on the benefits of marijuana.

[2KBack]

Say man, other than the Navy part, Im right there with you. Only, I dont want it legal.

You, me, some people, we do all of the above. But thats not most tokers. Most tokers are burnouts and mostly I just dont think that making it legal will benefit kids. With it illegal, at least there is a deterrant there and at least its a "drug" offense to curb some kids from using it.

Is not that I think its wrong, its just that I think that it will do more harm than good by legalizing it, at least for the youth of this country.

It's pretty arrogant to say that Weed smokers are burnouts, but because you are so much more mature, or disciplined, or educated, that you are exempt from that judgement.

I'm curious as to when you discovered pot? Were you a kid at the time?

[enjolras]

Is not that I think its wrong, its just that I think that it will do more harm than good by legalizing it, at least for the youth of this country.

When did it become governments job to make sure people make 'right' decisions? Fast food is bad for our youth, I guess we should make that illegal too?

No, instead why don't we inspire our kids to learn to take real responsibility for their decisions as opposed to casting a (false) government sponsored safety net designed to scare them into a certain type of behavior.

I, for one, think liberty is fundamentally more valuable to our youth.

[baja]

Wise people do not do any mind altering substances.

Believe it or not the best high is a technique called Transformational Breathing.

http://www.breath-dynamics.com/transformational-breath.htm

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Wise people do not do any mind altering substances.

Word.

Mood-altering/mind-altering drugs (including alcohol) are a f_cking crutch for weak pansies who can't do life without reaching for something outside themselves to change their mood or mind.

Why these people spend their hard-earned dough to get stupid instead of spending it on therapy or something is beyond me.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

1) is it actually harmful? I haven't seen anything convincing that it does.


It's VERY harmful.

The active ingredient, THC, is a fat-soluble chemical that hangs around in the body for a long time (which is why smokers can flunk a urine test even though the last time they smoked was a few weeks or a month ago.)

THC bonds with fat cells in the body.

What are the three most fat-laden systems in the body? The brain, the immune system, and the reproductive system.

Over time and with regular use, due to the aforementioned half-life, THC gums up these systems.

This is why you see users with short-term memory problems, decreased motivation or drive, colds and flu that won't go away, fertility problems, etc.

The really bad part is that the damage occurs so gradually and insidiously that it's easy for the user and others around him to deny or minimize or otherwise fail to perceive the damage.

In other words, by the time you realize how bad the stuff has f_cked you up, it's too late.

[Ray Finkle]

There are no such definitive studies on reefer. Smoking anything regularly for long term will cause problems, but with pot you can get the same effect (sometimes even better if you do it right) by simply eating it. Why not legalize it as a vegetable.

However, studies have shown that decades of pot use can lead to old age.

People using legal drugs will be dead far sooner than pot smokers will be with similar usage. That doesn't even touch on the benefits of marijuana.


check out posts 133

[broncohaven]

So far in this debate, not one valid point has been made as to why pot should be illegal while tobacco and alcohol are legal. Not one.

Finkle, your article reiterates my point. Inhaling smoke over a long preiod is not good for you, but that study says nothing about the drug.

LABF- THC gumming up the system, eh? How about tar and arsenic?

Can anyone make a point that marijuana SHOULD BE ILLEGAL WHILE TOBACCO AND ALCOHOL ARE LEGAL?

[Ray Finkle]

So far in this debate, not one valid point has been made as to why pot should be illegal while tobacco and alcohol are legal. Not one.

Finkle, your article reiterates my point. Inhaling smoke over a long preiod is not good for you, but that study says nothing about the drug.

LABF- THC gumming up the system, eh? How about tar and arsenic?

Can anyone make a point that marijuana SHOULD BE ILLEGAL WHILE TOBACCO AND ALCOHOL ARE LEGAL?


did you read under this section PHYSIOLOGICAL HARMS: TISSUE AND ORGAN DAMAGE? as far as this debate goes, there have been several reasons why people feel it should be kept illegal. The cookie cutter responses have been that it is less harmful then alcohol and if you are a good parent it shouldn't matter. The people who think it should be kept illegal are in the minority here but yet are projected in this thread as the majority....This is like beating a dead horse....

[baja]

I think a big part of why pot is illegal is because one of it's attributes is that it does make one look at the excepted status quote with new eyes. Government tactics are called into question and the government knows this and fears wide spread use of pot smoking will result in the voting population starting to think for themselves which scares the shiit out of the controlers.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Maybe the argument should be about why alcohol and tobacco are legal and pot isn't. Both are far more deadly drugs.

And for Baja, mind altering drugs and getting high naturally both have some interesting value.

[baja]

did you read under this section PHYSIOLOGICAL HARMS: TISSUE AND ORGAN DAMAGE? as far as this debate goes, there have been several reasons why people feel it should be kept illegal. The cookie cutter responses have been that it is less harmful then alcohol and if you are a good parent it shouldn't matter. The people who think it should be kept illegal are in the minority here but yet are projected in this thread as the majority....This is like beating a dead horse....

I don't argue that it is harmless, my take is it should be decriminalized. Almost all processed food is harmful.

[baja]

Maybe the argument should be about why alcohol and tobacco are legal and pot isn't. Both are far more deadly drugs.

And for Baja, mind altering drugs and getting high naturally both have some interesting value.

I don't disagree with that, in fact I feel peyote and marijuana helped me to grow as a human being but there came a time when they served their purpose and living life naturally became the better way to live.

[Crowpointer]

As my dad used to tell me when I was growing up "why do you think they call it DOPE ? "

[Bronco_Beerslug]

As my dad used to tell me when I was growing up "why do you think they call it DOPE ? "

And the answer is?

[Crowpointer]

And the answer is?
The answer is that there's not too many CEO's smoking pot but a lot of DOPES smoking it.

[Denver Crush]

The answer is that there's not too many CEO's smoking pot but a lot of DOPES smoking it.

Your an idiot. Maybe you should burn one to upgrade your status to dope.

[Crowpointer]

Your an idiot. Maybe you should burn one to upgrade your status to dope.
Hey dope it's you're not your

[Denver Crush]

ok...you got me!:woowoo:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The answer is that there's not too many CEO's smoking pot but a lot of DOPES smoking it.
And what did he say about the CEO's drinking alcohol?

[No1BroncoFan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by No1BroncoFan
In light of the fact that alcohol is already legal I have to ask why pot isn't. Alcohol is more damaging to your body and more (or at least no more) dangerous to the people around you. Pot also doesn't impair your judgement as badly as alcohol.

But, Nancy Reagan said "Just say no" and some dimwit senator got it declared a "threshold" drug so they'll never make it legal.

Ben

Here is what I posted....

studies have shown that long term smoking can cause long term brain damage.

I was simply pointing out that pot does have harmful effects on the brain. You made it appear to be nothing...
Dude, it's your perception of what I said. Alcohol seriously impairs your judgment. Pot impairs it less (but still impairs it). And what the fvck does impaiment of judgement have to do with long term brain damage? Seriously, your reaching to say that I claimed pot was harmless. I claimed that it is less harmful than alcohol. I'll bet drinking gasoline is less harmful than drinking high potency sulfuric acid too, but that doesn't make gasoline harmless now does it?

Ben

[No1BroncoFan]

The answer is that there's not too many CEO's smoking pot but a lot of DOPES smoking it.
Nah. All the CEOs are doing Coke instead. It's a status thing. ;D

Ben

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Nah. All the CEOs are doing Coke instead. It's a status thing. ;D

Ben
I was gonna get to that :)

[Denver Crush]

Nah. All the CEOs are doing Coke instead. It's a status thing. ;D

Ben


And sucking on big brown dick cigars!.....sorry, watched George Carlin last night.

[loborugger]

But, Nancy Reagan said "Just say no" and some dimwit senator got it declared a "threshold" drug so they'll never make it legal.


I dont wanna rain on your Nancy bashing parade, but weed was illegal long before Nancy was around. Her "Just say no" campaign was a reaction to the crack epidimic that was spreading like Meth is today. As for the dimwit senator, dont know which one that would be, I dont believe it is classified as a "threshold" drug. Not sure what that classification is. I know that weed is classified currently as a schedule 1 drug on the FDA system which means "high potential for abuse, no medical use." The big battle now is to move it to Schedule 2 "high potential for abuse, known medical uses" for medicinal use.

I think, dimwit senators aside, that we are pretty close to legalizing it. I think that just like I tell my kids about Eight tracks my kids will talk about back in the day when weed was illegal.

[Crowpointer]

Nah. All the CEOs are doing Coke instead. It's a status thing. ;D

Ben
I don't think this is the right thread for me . Just because I live in the Bay state (aka the gay state with legalized gay marriage) I'm not too much of a liberal (although I didn't vote for Bush, I wrote in McCain twice). I think I would be better off in a best stock ideas thread or the like. Smoke a fatty for me guys.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I don't think this is the right thread for me . Just because I live in the Bay state (aka the gay state with legalized gay marriage) I'm not too much of a liberal (although I didn't vote for Bush, I wrote in McCain twice). I think I would be better off in a best stock ideas thread or the like. Smoke a fatty for me guys.

Too late now, you done stuck your foot in the door. Though I don't do bud I think it should be decrimialized. We spend far too many resources and money on trying to control (unsucessfully) it.

Start a best stock idea thread, I'd be interested in your take.