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Rocket 7

02-04-2006, 12:23 PM

http://www.profootballhof.com/hall/story.jsp?story_id=1953

Six named to Hall's Class of 2006!
February 4, 2006
CANTON, OHIO – Quarterback Troy Aikman, linebacker Harry Carson, head coach John Madden, quarterback Warren Moon, defensive end Reggie White, and tackle Rayfield Wright make up the Class of 2006 Pro Football Hall of Fame enshrinees.

The 6-man class was elected by the Hall of Fame’s 39-member Selection Committee who met today in Detroit, Michigan. The newest members of the Hall were selected from a list of 15 finalists that had been determined earlier by the committee.

Aikman led the Dallas Cowboys to three Super Bowl victories during his 12-season career. His 90 wins during the 1990s makes him the winningest quarterback of any decade in NFL history. Aikman was elected to six Pro Bowls in his career.

Carson made his presence felt during his 13 seasons as a linebacker with the New York Giants. Voted to nine Pro Bowls, he recovered 14 fumbles during his career that spanned from 1976 to 1988.

Madden was hired as head coach of the Oakland Raiders at age 32. Over the next 10 seasons he compiled a .759 regular season winning percentage, the highest in NFL history of any coach with 100 career wins.

Moon entered the NFL after winning five straight Grey Cups in the CFL. He passed for more than 49,000 yards, threw 291 touchdowns, and was selected to nine Pro Bowls during 17 seasons in the NFL.

White, nicknamed “The Minister of Defense,” amassed 198 career sacks with the Eagles, Packers and Panthers. He was named to the 1980s and 1990s All-Decade Teams, the 75th Anniversary Team, and selected to 13 Pro Bowls.

Wright, a member of the NFL’s All-Decade Team of the 1970s, was voted to six Pro Bowls, played in eight championship games and five Super Bowls during his 13-season career with the Cowboys.

The 2006 class will increase to 235 the number of all-time greats permanently honored in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Formal enshrinement ceremonies will be held in Canton, home of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, during the weekend of August 5-6, 2006. The annual AFC-NFC Hall of Fame Game will be played that weekend as well.

backup qb

02-04-2006, 12:27 PM

this is borderline ridiculous. How in the hell does Zimmerman, Thurman Thomas, and DT not get in? I can't believe Zimmerman has to wait another year.

ludo21

02-04-2006, 12:30 PM

this is borderline ridiculous. How in the hell does Zimmerman, Thurman Thomas, and DT not get in? I can't believe Zimmerman has to wait another year.

might have to wait a lot longer than that....

Im glad Moon got in, i liked him. And White of course im glad got in.

And Thank YOU for not putting in coke boy!!!!!! they got one thing right at least.!!

Northman

02-04-2006, 12:33 PM

It is far too easy to get them riled up over there at CP. their bitterness about Denver just goes over the top over there. lol

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=135149

watermock

02-04-2006, 12:34 PM

I can't even remember Wright...when did Warren Moon's stats in the CFL translate to the NFL? Then Flutie should be in....

Two more CowPokes go in...BFD...what a surprise.

Arkie

02-04-2006, 12:36 PM

It's the pro football HOF not the NFL HOF. Moon has more yards than any pro QB and 5 straight grey cups.

ro_50

02-04-2006, 12:37 PM

And remember there was some idiot clueless writer a couple of weeks back who was clamoring for more 'Boys in the HOF, well he got his wish.

This is ridiculous. I'm boycotting the HOF until there are more Broncos in there.

ludo21

02-04-2006, 12:37 PM

It is far too easy to get them riled up over there at CP. their bitterness about Denver just goes over the top over there. lol

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=135149

lol, panties in a bunch over there eh? ROFL!

Arkie

02-04-2006, 12:38 PM

Warren Moon 70,553 yards passing

Clockwork Orange

02-04-2006, 12:40 PM

when did Warren Moon's stats in the CFL translate to the NFL?

Because it's the Pro Football Hall Of Fame, Not the NFL Hall Of Fame.

I believe that Moon is deserving of enshrinement.

maven

02-04-2006, 12:40 PM

Harry Carson over Derrick Thomas? Oh man, that's terrible. Gary Zimmerman will never get in. Cannot ****ing understand why.

HOF is a joke.

ludo21

02-04-2006, 12:42 PM

Harry Carson over Derrick Thomas? Oh man, that's terrible. Gary Zimmerman will never get in. Cannot ****ing understand why.

HOF is a joke.

Carson was a very good LB, not a joke.

But Zimm not getting in, is a joke!

Northman

02-04-2006, 12:43 PM

lol, panties in a bunch over there eh? ROFL!

oh yea, now the whole Denver cheated their way to two SB trophies is coming up now.

ludo21

02-04-2006, 12:45 PM

oh yea, now the whole Denver cheated their way to two SB trophies is coming up now.

LOL

Moon just brought up the race card Ha!

chanesaw

02-04-2006, 12:46 PM

No Art Monk either.

ludo21

02-04-2006, 12:53 PM

No Art Monk either.

We as Bronco fans have got to rooot for him too, him getting in will go a LONG way to us ever seeing Rod get in.

Clockwork Orange

02-04-2006, 12:55 PM

We as Bronco fans have got to rooot for him too, him getting in will go a LONG way to us ever seeing Rod get in.

Not to mention the fact that he deserves to be there.

maven

02-04-2006, 12:55 PM

Carson was a very good LB, not a joke.

Yes it is. He's no Derrick Thomas. Nothing special Carson was.

ludo21

02-04-2006, 01:02 PM

Yes it is. He's no Derrick Thomas. Nothing special Carson was.

DT does deserve to be there, he will get in....eventually.....

Bob's your Information Minister

02-04-2006, 01:11 PM

Harry Carson and John Madden did not deserve the HOF over Derrick Thomas.

epicSocialism4tw

02-04-2006, 01:20 PM

TexanBob

02-04-2006, 01:58 PM

The HOF is nothing but a bunch of media guys picking their favorites. You have to live in the natl. media spotlight to get in. I would like to see a % of small market v. large market HOF members. I wouldnt be surprised at all if the number was skewed severely for the large market teams.

You're right about the media spotlight. You're wrong about the market size. The "dynasties" (Cowboys, Steelers, Packers, 49ers) get the HOF love because they are the ones that were in the spotlight for long stretches. The HOF is also lopsided in terms of QBs and RBs because (duh) they are the guys who score the TDs and get the headlines. It also helps your HOF chances if you a) become a broadcaster when your career ends or b) keep your name in the headlines in some way such as coaching or doing TV ads. You also get media love for being accessible and quotable. That's why the Giants get a fair share of HOFers, because they live in the media capital so their exploits are overhyped.

My gripe with Carson is simply how easy life must have been when you know every team you play is scared to death of the REAL talent - Lawrence Taylor - lined up next to you and are willing to let you blitz or throw in your direction as long as they've got a body accounting for LT. It's the bitch I have about all those Steelers. When you have a Hall of Famer playing on your left, on your right and in front of you, how damn difficult is it for you to do your job very well?

ZachKC

02-04-2006, 01:59 PM

lol, panties in a bunch over there eh? ROFL!
This coming from the board who goes ape**** everytime Sean Salisbury utters a breath.

Clockwork Orange

02-04-2006, 02:04 PM

My gripe with Carson is simply how easy life must have been when you know every team you play is scared to death of the REAL talent - Lawrence Taylor - lined up next to you and are willing to let you blitz or throw in your direction as long as they've got a body accounting for LT. It's the b**** I have about all those Steelers. When you have a Hall of Famer playing on your left, on your right and in front of you, how damn difficult is it for you to do your job very well?

Not to mention that he's had the biggest HOF politician and NY Giants homer lobbying for him.

Atlas

02-04-2006, 02:06 PM

Screw the HOF voters, screw the HOF period. I dont give two-sh#ts about the HOF anymore.

How can Gary Zimmerman not get in.

Zimmerman was on the all decade teams of the 80's and 90's!! He'll get in but no tprobaly for another 5 years or so.

ozomulsion

02-04-2006, 02:08 PM

Because it's the Pro Football Hall Of Fame, Not the NFL Hall Of Fame.

I believe that Moon is deserving of enshrinement.

I don't expect Mock to know the difference. Of course Moon belongs in the Hall of Fame. Mock's brain has one switch and it is set to stupid. His opinion is irrelevant.

TexanBob

02-04-2006, 02:14 PM

Except the Pro Football Hall of Fame does not officially recognize the Canadian Football League, and has frequently said so. They claim the games up there are significantly different (bigger fields, three downs, the rouge, etc.) that their results and records do not apply. Perhaps they should more accurately call themselves the American Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Here's a quick trivia question for you. Name the number of Super Bowls the Houston Oilers have appeared in and how many members they have in the Hall of Fame. Now compare that to the Broncos who were born the same year. Commence burning.

yavoon

02-04-2006, 02:38 PM

Harry Carson and John Madden did not deserve the HOF over Derrick Thomas.

madden did, honestly u can't have a hall of fame w/o madden!

-Slap-

02-04-2006, 02:47 PM

Madden made the Hall by being the guy who fetched Al Davis' donuts for him.

-Slap-

02-04-2006, 02:49 PM

I always felt Harry Carson was a damn fine linebacker, but I'll always consider him the guy who pouted his way into the Hall.

Bob's your Information Minister

02-04-2006, 02:54 PM

Madden made the Hall by being the guy who fetched Al Davis' donuts for him.

I read that as "felched Al Davis" at first.

-Slap-

02-04-2006, 02:57 PM

I read that as "felched Al Davis" at first.
Pretty sure Al LoCasale was the guy in charge of that. Phil Villapiano would have been his understudy.

ColtSteel25

02-04-2006, 03:28 PM

Jake Plummer and Maurice Clarrett will be there someday.

TexanBob

02-04-2006, 03:30 PM

Madden made the Hall by being the guy who fetched Al Davis' donuts for him.

If so, there must have been several donuts missing by the time they got to Al. He never looked like he missed many of them.

epicSocialism4tw

02-04-2006, 03:59 PM

Jake Plummer and Maurice Clarrett will be there someday.

You'll be able to comment when your team can get itself into the AFC Championship game.

anthonypacino

02-04-2006, 04:03 PM

Madden is on the teeter toter with me, he didn't coach very long, didn't play very long and his post season record sucks, in fact the other day I heard Tim Brown saying that he has talked to older Raiders and they told him they would have won or went to more SB's if Madden wasn't their coach. Raider vs. Raider.

epicSocialism4tw

02-04-2006, 04:05 PM

You're wrong about the market size. The "dynasties" (Cowboys, Steelers, Packers, 49ers) get the HOF love because they are the ones that were in the spotlight for long stretches. You also get media love for being accessible and quotable. That's why the Giants get a fair share of HOFers, because they live in the media capital so their exploits are overhyped.

Dallas, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and the 49ers are all major market teams. Green Bay is basically a Chicago team (3rd largest media market). Dallas is the 4th biggest media market. Pittsburgh is in the NY/Boston market. Having major market publicity means more media recognition. No big mystery there. Why is the NY market going to care about Randy Gradishar?

You made a bold statement about the market size not having a correlation then you followed with a bunch of information that supported my case. I challenge you to prove me wrong.

KJ25

02-04-2006, 04:09 PM

First of all as wrong as it is, Madden was always a lock because of the commentator/sideline reporter rule which never seems to fail. As a Redskins fan I've given up on ever seeing Monk in there but what baffles me even more is Rayfield Wright over Grimm and Zimmerman. The Hogs were perhaps the most dominating offensive line of all time and the proof of that is 3 superbowls with Joe Theisman and an over the hill Ernest Byner as their best QB/WR respectively and Zimmerman was part of an offensive line that won 2 straight superbowls and dominated in both. They also produced one of the best season for a running back in NFL history. What was their crime? they didn't play for the Cowboys or Steelers in the 70's.

ZachKC

02-04-2006, 04:09 PM

When did Green Bay become a big market.

SpringStein

02-04-2006, 04:10 PM

Dallas, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and the 49ers are all major market teams. Green Bay is basically a Chicago team (3rd largest media market). Dallas is the 4th biggest media market. Pittsburgh is in the NY/Boston market. Having major market publicity means more media recognition. No big mystery there. Why is the NY market going to care about Randy Gradishar?

You made a bold statement about the market size not having a correlation then you followed with a bunch of information that supported my case. I challenge you to prove me wrong.

Oakland has 17 (!) members. They would be considered a small market team, but as part of the SF area, they get all the west coast media coverage.

yavoon

02-04-2006, 04:26 PM

yavoon

02-04-2006, 04:29 PM

Dallas, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and the 49ers are all major market teams. Green Bay is basically a Chicago team (3rd largest media market). Dallas is the 4th biggest media market. Pittsburgh is in the NY/Boston market. Having major market publicity means more media recognition. No big mystery there. Why is the NY market going to care about Randy Gradishar?

You made a bold statement about the market size not having a correlation then you followed with a bunch of information that supported my case. I challenge you to prove me wrong.

thats some pretty ****ing liberal use of what being in a "market" is.

epicSocialism4tw

02-04-2006, 04:52 PM

thats some pretty ****ing liberal use of what being in a "market" is.

Nah..it's not really.

yavoon

02-04-2006, 04:55 PM

Nah..it's not really.

yah it is, green bay is small market, everyone calls it that. no1 I've EVER heard say that green bay is a major market team because its w/in a midrange cruise missile of chicago.

epicSocialism4tw

02-04-2006, 04:57 PM

yah it is, green bay is small market, everyone calls it that. no1 I've EVER heard say that green bay is a major market team because its w/in a midrange cruise missile of chicago.

If you had any semblance of common sense, you would be able to come to the conclusion that the Bears/Packers rivalry has an impact on media coverage. But, that would probably asking too much.

yavoon

02-04-2006, 04:58 PM

If you had any semblance of common sense, you would be able to come to the conclusion that the Bears/Packers rivalry has an impact on media coverage. But, that would probably asking too much.

it doesnt magically upgrade a smallass place to major market.

epicSocialism4tw

02-04-2006, 04:59 PM

it doesnt magically upgrade a smallass place to major market.

Sure buddy. Go argue with a fencepost. I'm going to go stretch.

ZachKC

02-04-2006, 05:00 PM

Seriously...Green Bay is a small market.

yavoon

02-04-2006, 05:05 PM

Sure buddy. Go argue with a fencepost. I'm going to go stretch.

its not me who's stretching the very definition of terms.

MrPeepers

02-04-2006, 05:12 PM

I know Tackle isn't sexy. But Zimmerman, didn't even clear the top 10 choices. Bu, the league got 2 cowboys in. I'm just glad Irvin didn't get in before Monk.

Think the salary cap violations count against Zim in the voting or just the lack of appeal at his position?

yavoon

02-04-2006, 05:16 PM

HOF is gay.

hades

02-04-2006, 05:17 PM

HOF is gay.

What he said. I have no desire to even visit, but it is a shame not more Broncos are in.

RMT

02-04-2006, 05:27 PM

The strike against Zim is that he played for the Broncos who aren't located on either coast.

TexanBob

02-04-2006, 05:28 PM

Pittsburgh is in the NY/Boston market.

Yeah, that's why I'm rooting against Seattle - because it's part of the Los Angeles market.

You made a bold statement about the market size not having a correlation then you followed with a bunch of information that supported my case. I challenge you to prove me wrong.

I didn't realize I was arguing with someone who has never seen a map of the United States. My apologies.

MrPeepers

02-04-2006, 05:30 PM

Broncos 1 HOF Player - Elway
Bengals 1 HOF Player - Munoz
Saints 1 HOF Player - Finks
Seahawks 1 HOF Player - Largent
Buccaneers 1 HOF Player - Selmon

Ravens Panthers and Jaguars don't quite count due to expansion status.

Look at those 5 teams.
They were all pictures of futility until the past 5 years with the exception of the Broncos. What logical reason is there not to see more Broncos in the hall of fame? Did we just have better teams as opposed to players? The teams with 6 and 7 HOF Players won games they may not have recent entries, but they had bunches go in the HOF for being part of a dominating team. Were we never dominating? 97-98 was a strong run. To see Zim not even break the top 10 is a shame.

KJ25

02-04-2006, 06:06 PM

Yeah, that's why I'm rooting against Seattle - because it's part of the Los Angeles market.

I didn't realize I was arguing with someone who has never seen a map of the United States. My apologies.

Any team with moderate success ends up in the L.A market. Their fans are very adaptable.

TexanBob

02-04-2006, 06:43 PM

Broncos 1 HOF Player - Elway
Bengals 1 HOF Player - Munoz
Saints 1 HOF Player - Finks
Seahawks 1 HOF Player - Largent
Buccaneers 1 HOF Player - Selmon

To see Zim not even break the top 10 is a shame.

A few thoughts:

1) Finks wasn't even a player. He was a front office guy who happened to die a Saint. Most of his NFL career was elsewhere. I suppose you could count Hank Stram and Earl Campbell about as much as Finks.

2) Everyone seems to forget that the bulk of Zim's career was as a Viking so all this cheerleading, while deserved, probably won't add more to the Bronco total in Canton.

2KBack

02-04-2006, 06:58 PM

A few thoughts:

1) Finks wasn't even a player. He was a front office guy who happened to die a Saint. Most of his NFL career was elsewhere. I suppose you could count Hank Stram and Earl Campbell about as much as Finks.

2) Everyone seems to forget that the bulk of Zim's career was as a Viking so all this cheerleading, while deserved, probably won't add more to the Bronco total in Canton.

Well guys don't go into the HOF representing a team. Calling them cowboys or broncos is mostly just how they are viewed by the majority of fans. Since Zimm was difference maker for Denver we can call him a bronco, there's a good chance the Vikings fans would claim him as well.

-Slap-

02-04-2006, 07:11 PM

I swear I've read every post on this thread and I can't tell if Angry Llama is serious, or just ****ing with people for laughs.

Bob's your Information Minister

02-04-2006, 07:46 PM

Derrick Thomas is the one getting shafted here. Not Zimmerman.

TexanBob

02-04-2006, 07:49 PM

Derrick Thomas is the one getting shafted here. Not Zimmerman.

Funny. Being dead didn't hurt Reggie White's chances.

RMT

02-04-2006, 07:53 PM

Derrick Thomas is the one getting shafted here. Not Zimmerman.

Yeah, right ... how many different women did Thomas father children with? Nice to see he was so unselfish.

Sodak

02-04-2006, 08:38 PM

Ha! I thought you meant Invader Zim...

.

Clockwork Orange

02-04-2006, 08:41 PM

Derrick Thomas is the one getting shafted here. Not Zimmerman.

Gee, that's not a transparent attempt at trolling.::)

Zimmerman was a 1st or 2nd team All-Pro 8 times and was named to the All-Decade team for the 80's and the 90's.

Oh, and he's got a Super Bowl ring.^5

fountelway

02-04-2006, 08:46 PM

if there was a hof for getting women pregnant DT would be a first ballot. i think the count ended early of course at 8 kids by 7 different woman with never marrying any of them. who knows if he was still alive it may be up to double digits. i don't think he deserves to be in the hof. he put together several good seasons and then fade his last 3 or so years. great player for a few years, average the rest. simon fletcher wasn't too far from dt's sack numbers

TexanBob

02-04-2006, 09:13 PM

If there was a hall of fame for getting women pregnant, I think they'd induct Shawn Kemp and Screamin' Jay Hawkins and then close the doors after that.

Clockwork Orange

02-04-2006, 09:17 PM

If there was a hall of fame for getting women pregnant, I think they'd induct Shawn Kemp and Screamin' Jay Hawkins and then close the doors after that.

Evander Holyfield would get strong consideration.

Bob's your Information Minister

02-04-2006, 09:59 PM

great player for a few years, average the rest.

Average. You are f*cking crazy.

Go and look at the Chiefs record and playoff appearances when Derrick was in Kansas City.

Now look at it when he's not there.

Especially from 1980 to the present. It's something like 2 playoff appearances in the last 26 years without him.

RMT

02-04-2006, 10:03 PM

Average. You are ****ing crazy.

Go and look at the Chiefs record and playoff appearances when Derrick was in Kansas City.

Now look at it when he's not there.

Especially from 1980 to the present. It's something like 2 playoff appearances in the last 26 years without him.

HOF players make a HUGE impact on the game, not just on their team's fortune.

yavoon

02-04-2006, 10:07 PM

HOF players make a HUGE impact on the game, not just on their team's fortune.

not w/ how many we let in.

watermock

02-04-2006, 10:35 PM

DT was a blathering fool who apparently didn't ever figure out how to put on a condom. Outside of K.C. there isn't any support for that clown.

And his stunt on ice was a smooth move. He had on those stupid racing tires which are totally worthless on ice, was speeding and probably had the boom box cranked to 3000 watts. He didn't negotiate a new contract, was obviously living a reckless lifestyle...and glory be...what a surprise he didn't have a dime of life insurance, so the widows (if you could call them that, I'll be kind) All got left holding the bag of baby poo.

If he just had left an hour earlier to drive to St. Louis, he would of been speeding anyway...on ice you take it easy fool. Then there was the fiasco as all these women fought for scraps and lawyers mopped up. Yep, he was a real dick.

How Zimm and Gradishar are not in and yet another Cowboy I literally don't remember gets in is baffleing....it's like a Dallas Cowboy Cancer feeding on itself...the more that get in, more get in. Aikman deserves it tho. They might as well call it the Cowboy hall of fame.

One final comment...I don't really mind letting guys in, it's exclusion that gets my goat...now there's a fine line between exclusion and dilution, but IMO, some guys like Monk it's a joke.

Bob's your Information Minister

02-04-2006, 10:37 PM

HOF players make a HUGE impact on the game, not just on their team's fortune.

DT had to be accounted for every game, every snap. QBs and offensive coordinatoors feared him.

RMT

02-04-2006, 10:49 PM

DT had to be accounted for every game, every snap. QBs and offensive coordinatoors feared him.

Except for that mental meltdown he had in the MNF game vs. the Broncos ...

fountelway

02-04-2006, 11:41 PM

DT was average his last few years. he was fat and out of shape. all he cared about was diamond joes (local strip bar in kc). he was seen several times night before games there. those are the facts , not a hofer

clarker

02-05-2006, 12:59 AM

I can't even remember Wright...when did Warren Moon's stats in the CFL translate to the NFL? Then Flutie should be in....

Two more CowPokes go in...BFD...what a surprise.The difference between Moon and Flutie is that Moon is in the top 5-6 the major passing stats.

clarker

02-05-2006, 01:08 AM

Derrick Thomas is the one getting shafted here. Not Zimmerman.I know your just fishing, but I'm bored so...

Zimmerman was a huge part of a Super Bowl Championship. What post season win was Derrick Thomas a huge part of?

Also Zimmerman was a great pass blocker as well damn good in the running game. How were DT's skills vs the run?

Zimmerman = complete player
DT = One Trick Poney. Unless you count knocking up chicks.

crazyhorse

02-05-2006, 05:22 AM

Everyone saying DT is not a HOFer will be sorely disappointed when he get's in and TD never does.

Bob's your Information Minister

02-05-2006, 07:00 AM

Everyone saying DT is not a HOFer will be sorely disappointed when he get's in and TD never does.

The truth hurts! :giggle:

elsid13

02-05-2006, 07:15 AM

Just wanted to post Burger Bill article the information on LT that did get in:
Nothing is going to change until the old fogeys on the board retire or die.

RAYFIELD WRIGHT | offensive tackle
Dallas, 1967-79
College: Fort Valley State Lowdown: Named to six Pro Bowls. Played in five Super Bowls, winning two. Named to the league's all-decade team for the 1970s.

2KBack

02-05-2006, 10:14 AM

Everyone saying DT is not a HOFer will be sorely disappointed when he get's in and TD never does.

Isn't this thread basically a discussion about how the better players don't always make the hall of fame? That would just be another example.

Bob's your Information Minister

02-05-2006, 11:38 AM

Isn't this thread basically a discussion about how the better players don't always make the hall of fame? That would just be another example.

Terrell Davis doesn't deserve the hall of fame.

elsid13

02-05-2006, 11:40 AM

Terrell Davis doesn't deserve the hall of fame.

Bob stop being a dick. What are you trying to do? Start a fight here and then ran back to Planet and claim victory? Your pathetic need for attention, is quickly become boring.

Bob's your Information Minister

02-05-2006, 12:46 PM

Bob stop being a dick. What are you trying to do? Start a fight here and then ran back to Planet and claim victory? Your pathetic need for attention, is quickly become boring.

I'm just engaging in debate.

You can't really make a legitimate argument for Terrell Davis. Same goes for Priest Holmes.

elsid13

02-05-2006, 12:50 PM

I'm just engaging in debate.

You can't really make a legitimate argument for Terrell Davis. Same goes for Priest Holmes.

no you're not, you looking to start a pissing contest. From anyone else I might buy that argument, but everybody seen the way you acted before and it pretty evident that your looking for attention.

gunns

02-05-2006, 12:59 PM

One of the biggest slights to the Broncos is the slight to Gradishar. Unbelievable. And I believe Louis Wright also.

And Bob, you're not trying to engage in debate, you've got your homer glasses on. DT was a very good player, but first ballots are for great players.

Garcia Bronco

02-05-2006, 01:05 PM

This was the last year Wright could make it.

Bob's your Information Minister

02-05-2006, 01:10 PM

no you're not, you looking to start a pissing contest. From anyone else I might buy that argument, but everybody seen the way you acted before and it pretty evident that your looking for attention.

Nope.

Bob's your Information Minister

02-05-2006, 01:11 PM

DT was a very good player, but first ballots are for great players.

Like Troy Aikman? ROFL!

gunns

02-05-2006, 01:37 PM

Have to agree with you that I do not consider Aikman to be that great of a player. An example of a good player on a great team. But DT was a good player on a sometimes good team. Two strikes.

And has anyone every noticed how Rod Smith's stats are very comparable to Irvin's? That's why I don't have a problem with Irvin not getting in, he played on a great team his whole career, Smith did not, but still achieved the same. I don't believe it was all Irvin's off the field problems because LT made it in.

Bronco Bob

02-05-2006, 02:41 PM

Troy Aikman
Harry Carson
John Madden
Warren Moon
Reggie White
Rayfield Wright

:oyvey:

He's a Bronco. That automatically eliminates him for the majority of the east coast press.

Garcia Bronco

02-05-2006, 02:45 PM

I think the voters confused DT with Neil Smith..and after years of futility in the yellow and red...Neil came to play for the Broncos which "automatically eliminates him for the majority of the east coast press"

Bob's your Information Minister

02-05-2006, 02:54 PM

But DT was a good player on a sometimes good team. Two strikes.

You're nuts. "Good" players don't get 8 sacks in one game.

Rocket 7

02-05-2006, 03:04 PM

You're nuts. "Good" players don't get 8 sacks in one game.
A great player would of got the ninth sack to bring Krieg down. Instead he got the pass off to Skansi and the Seahawks won the game on the last play.

Garcia Bronco

02-05-2006, 03:28 PM

A great player would of got the ninth sack to bring Krieg down. Instead he got the pass off to Skansi and the Seahawks won the game on the last play.

What??? They lost the DT 20 sack game? That I did not know.

Rocket 7

02-05-2006, 11:33 PM

What??? They lost the DT 20 sack game? That I did not know.
Yep! DT blew by Seattle's left tackle and had Krieg for a sack. Krieg spun out threw a TD to Skansi and won the game on the last play. 17-16 Seattle victory

Old Dude

02-06-2006, 08:10 AM

I don't really see any more Broncos going into the HOF. Little and Gradishar have been rejected. Zimm might have been the best OT of his era, but one ring won't be enough.

Safeties rarely make it in, and that slot goes to Ronnie Lott, so there's no room for Atwater.

They'll say Davis didn't play long enough.

About the time Shannon Sharpe is eligible, someone on the east coast will decide that he was really more of an H-back than a classic TE, and should therefore be judged by WR standards, and that he just didn't have quite enough receptions or yardage or TDs.

Rod Smith, Howard Griffith and Tom Nalen have no shot. Not flashy enough.

The final irony. Shanahan won't go in since he couldn't win without great players.

Mile High Shack

02-06-2006, 08:14 AM

Zimm was on the all decade team for the 80's and 90's and he isn't worthy enough

but Madden is?

wow

you are right OD, the only other Bronco that will get in is Shannon Sharpe, but you are right too saying they might change the standards when he is up for it

Rock Chalk

02-06-2006, 08:16 AM

Harry Carson wouldnt be a HOF nominee or entrant if he didnt play in New York.

elsid13

02-06-2006, 03:12 PM

Harry Carson wouldnt be a HOF nominee or entrant if he didnt play in New York.

Or have Dr. Z yacking his crank to him.

Smiling Assassin27

02-06-2006, 04:13 PM

Shannon Sharpe put it best: During the time that Gary played, show me a better Tackle. You can't because he didn't exist.

Hopefully patience is a virtue with Gary. It hasn't been with Gradishar. 6 Super Bowls in 3 different decades and not one iota of respect.

Smiling Assassin27

02-06-2006, 04:22 PM

Harry Carson wouldnt be a HOF nominee or entrant if he didnt play in New York.

and squawk like a bitch about being snubbed.

BroncoBuff

02-06-2006, 08:00 PM

Screw the HOF voters, screw the HOF period. I dont give two-sh#ts about the HOF anymore.

How can Gary Zimmerman not get in.
Here's the article's thumbnail on Rayfield Wright, with
Zimmerman's credentials in red (they both played OT):

Rayfield Wright, a member of the NFL’s All-Decade Team of the 1970s, (Zim - a member of TWO All-Decade teams, 80s and 90s) was voted to six Pro Bowls, (Zim - SEVEN Pro Bowls, plus 2 All-USFL teams) played in eight championship games and five Super Bowls during his 13-season career with the Cowboys. (Zim played in just one Ch-Ship, and won a Lombari)

Don't scoff at the USFL All-Star team ... Zim blocked for Steve Young. Plus, it's the PRO FOOTBALL Hall of Fame, not the NFL Hall of Fame.

Rayfield had to wait a long time, maybe Zim will get in later.

BroncoMatt

02-06-2006, 08:02 PM

It will be tough for any Bronco to get in at this point. After the super bowl win there will be another 50 steelers getting in now.

Tombstone RJ

02-06-2006, 08:24 PM