Would you trade both 1sts for . . . [Archive] - The Orange Mane

Hercules Rockefeller

02-03-2006, 05:34 PM

Ray Finkle

02-03-2006, 05:36 PM

Ricky and the Fins' 1st round pick (#16 overall)

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=122561

Similar thread on the Fins board, with some classic responses. I like the one that says Denver's 2 1sts aren't worth #16 alone.

I wouldn't.

A-RW will not cost a first, if he did move onto to another back
B-the talent is deep in this draft where the players you can get at 22 and 29 may outperfom the solo player at 16....

yavoon

02-03-2006, 05:41 PM

no but I've already got the plans I hope for!

Clockwork Orange

02-03-2006, 05:42 PM

No thanks. I'll keep the 22nd & 29th picks in this years deep draft.

Pendejo

02-03-2006, 05:43 PM

No. Solely because I believe Ricky can be had for less. I always bring this up...but even Marshall Faulk was not traded for a 1st. If the Dolphins really want to move Ricky...he'll be had for a third at the highest...and maybe a garbage pick thrown in...depending on performance.

I don't think he's a loser, but he's far too out there to invest a top pick in.

Obviously he'd improve the Donks' running game (unless of course he devoted himself to scrubbing otters)...but there are other holes to fill...and that price is just too steep.

ludo21

02-03-2006, 05:44 PM

np way!!

I think we can get a player at equal value at 22 as at 16.

Hercules Rockefeller

02-03-2006, 05:46 PM

The one "yes" vote so far should weigh in and explain why he voted that way

Clockwork Orange

02-03-2006, 05:46 PM

Regardless of Miami fan's overestimation of Ricky's value, he's not worth a 1st or even a 2nd.

Shaun Alexander and Edgerrin James were there to be had a year ago and no one was willing to pony up so much as a 2nd rounder for either of them. Yes, both are going to make more money than Williams, but neither of them come with the baggage that Ricky does either.

I'd offer them a 3rd rounder, that's it. If they think he's worth more, they can keep him or find someone who's willing to pony up more.

HEAV

02-03-2006, 05:46 PM

Ouch..............

Drek

02-03-2006, 05:49 PM

I'd do the 16th, Ricky, and their '07 1st for our two firsts and 3rd, but thats the best I'd offer.

Clockwork Orange

02-03-2006, 05:57 PM

The only way the Broncos ever consider such a deal is if they were desperate for a running back, which they're not. Ricky Williams would be a nice addition and would likely thrive in this system, but he's not a necessity. If this same deal was on the table with a top flight pass rusher in place of Ricky, It'd be worthy of consideration.

Ricky would be an upgrade, but is by no means a need.

-Slap-

02-03-2006, 05:57 PM

It would suck to make that deal and then see LenDale White slip to 16.

Clockwork Orange

02-03-2006, 05:59 PM

It would suck to make that deal and then see LenDale White slip to 16.

Someone would have to talk me off the ledge if that happened, but I can't see it. LenDale may not make it past Arizona at #10. Someone around here reported that the "LenDale to Glendale" hype has already begun out in the desert.

-Slap-

02-03-2006, 06:00 PM

Clockwork Orange

02-03-2006, 06:04 PM

Yeah, but they want Vernon Davis pretty badly, too.

I wasn't aware of that. A top 10 pick on a TE? That hasn't happened since the ****ing Soldier graced the NFL with his presence 2 years ago.

DBroncos4life

02-03-2006, 06:04 PM

I voted yes but it was just for fun. :pimp: They could toss in Chambers and I would think about it though.

Hercules Rockefeller

02-03-2006, 06:04 PM

I wasn't aware of that. A top 10 pick on a TE? That hasn't happened since the ****ing Soldier graced the NFL with his presence 2 years ago.

I believe Kiper has said Davis is his highest-rated TE ever, even higher than the Soldier

Clockwork Orange

02-03-2006, 06:06 PM

I believe Kiper has said Davis is his highest-rated TE ever, even higher than the Soldier

nfldraftcountdown.com's mock draft has him going #7 overall to the 49ers. Teams must be falling in love with him.

But then mock has been going on and on about him, so that could be the kiss of death. ;D

ludo21

02-03-2006, 06:07 PM

Someone would have to talk me off the ledge if that happened, but I can't see it. LenDale may not make it past Arizona at #10. Someone around here reported that the "LenDale to Glendale" hype has already begun out in the desert.

??? im in AZ and ive heard nothing on LW here at all.

DAvis also wont come here caz Denni likes his 3 WR set. He never uses his TE's. Also just last season they took Arrington who they reallly like

Clockwork Orange

02-03-2006, 06:08 PM

??? im in AZ and ive heard nothing on LW here at all.

Just going by what someone posted on this board recently.

Northman

02-03-2006, 06:10 PM

This is the craziest poll ive ever seen on here. no ****ing way

ludo21

02-03-2006, 06:13 PM

Just going by what someone posted on this board recently.

He could take him, but imo they will go OL.

DBroncos4life

02-03-2006, 06:14 PM

man those Phins fas are funny. Williams for a top 5 pick? Come on I like the dude but he is 28 going on 29. Dillion got a 2nd round pick at that age. Faulk cost the Rams a second as well.

Garcia Bronco

02-03-2006, 06:14 PM

Ricky Williams is one failed drug test from being gone a year...any drug...heck no...I'd give up a 5th round or worse for him. Did we not learn anything for Dale Carter

elsid13

02-03-2006, 06:17 PM

The programmers at EA, need to be reprimand for bringing stupidity to the mass with respect to NFL trades.

Elway 4 Life

02-03-2006, 06:18 PM

I believe Kiper has said Davis is his highest-rated TE ever, even higher than the Soldier
Who is the soldier? I'm sittin here racking my brains and hurt myself trying to think of WTF y'all are talking about. A little help please.

Hercules Rockefeller

02-03-2006, 06:19 PM

Winslow II

ludo21

02-03-2006, 06:20 PM

Winslow

:im a F$$%#@ Soldier"

elsid13

02-03-2006, 06:20 PM

Who is the soldier? I'm sittin here racking my brains and hurt myself trying to think of WTF y'all are talking about. A little help please.

Think motorcycle dare devil, Postons Brothers, The U, the color Brown and Word DUMBASS.

Elway 4 Life

02-03-2006, 06:21 PM

Winslow II
Wow, his stay was so brief I forgot about that guy. I feel dumb sorry fellas.

Clockwork Orange

02-03-2006, 06:21 PM

Who is the soldier? I'm sittin here racking my brains and hurt myself trying to think of WTF y'all are talking about. A little help please.

It's not surprising that you didn't remember him, the guy has only played about three games in his two years in the league.

He was last seen popping wheelies in a parking lot and ultimately blowing up his knee because of it.

ozomulsion

02-03-2006, 06:26 PM

Ricky Williams is one failed drug test from being gone a year...any drug...heck no...I'd give up a 5th round or worse for him. Did we not learn anything for Dale Carter

Carter was on hard drugs, which are much more addictive. Weed is not a hard drug and it's not hard to quit smoking it.

-Slap-

02-03-2006, 06:40 PM

Carter was on hard drugs, which are much more addictive. Weed is not a hard drug and it's not hard to quit smoking it.
Dale Carter also served time on a firearms charge.

rbackfactory80

02-03-2006, 07:11 PM

Yeah it would be high risk possible high reward. The guy is a proven commodity and with the picks 22 and 29 we are not even guaranteed one impact player, of course with the 16th we are not either, we would just have more options. Most likley we would either hit and miss on one of the picks anyway.I would much rather give up a second for him but if they throw in a 16 which most people believe would be close to equal to our two late firsts alone I dont think we would get shafted. I am not totally sold on it and would like to see what we could get for a higher pick by trading our two and moving up. For this team though it is really important that the running back position is more stable next year then it was this year. It all comes down to what will be at sixteen and if we will need it more then what will be at 22.

Rohirrim

02-03-2006, 07:32 PM

ludo21

02-03-2006, 07:34 PM

Garcia Bronco

02-03-2006, 07:48 PM

Carter was on hard drugs, which are much more addictive. Weed is not a hard drug and it's not hard to quit smoking it.

That doesn't matter...like I said...he could fail for any drug...it doesn't matter which drug. He could eat the wrong food. One failed test is all it takes...and he's gone for a season. This would be terrible.

Pendejo

02-03-2006, 08:12 PM

It would suck to make that deal and then see LenDale White slip to 16.

Cripes...that'd be horrible. You're just a bastard.

ozomulsion

02-03-2006, 08:13 PM

That doesn't matter...like I said...he could fail for any drug...it doesn't matter which drug. He could eat the wrong food. One failed test is all it takes...and he's gone for a season. This would be terrible.

Oh ok, so I take it you believe the old "it was in a supplement my trainer gave me. I didn't know what was in it" line. :yayaya:

Ratboy

02-03-2006, 08:14 PM

Holy Cow, what a horrible trade.

and after reading that thread, i've came to the conclusion that phin fans are RETARDS.

Garcia Bronco

02-03-2006, 08:14 PM

Oh ok, so I take it you believe the old "it was in a supplement my trainer gave me. I didn't know what was in it" line. :yayaya:

I'm saying that at anytime this guy could be gone...we haven't even gotten to the fact that he up and left his team high-and-dry.

broncogary

02-03-2006, 08:34 PM

Think motorcycle dare devil, Postons Brothers, The U, the color Brown and Word DUMBASS.

I fixed it for you. ;D

Man-Goblin

02-03-2006, 08:45 PM

??? im in AZ and ive heard nothing on LW here at all.

DAvis also wont come here caz Denni likes his 3 WR set. He never uses his TE's. Also just last season they took Arrington who they reallly like

Byron Chamberlain was a pro bowler at Minnesota.

elsid13

02-03-2006, 09:05 PM

I fixed it for you. ;D

Thanks :thumbs:

Ray Finkle

02-03-2006, 09:24 PM

Hell, I'm still hoping Lendale runs slow at the combine and drops to 22. Hey, I can hope, can't I? I would pull the trigger on Ricky only if the deal leaned heavily in the Broncos favor. That wouldn't have anything to do with first day picks.

there are rumblings from the sporting news war room that Lendale is going to fall due to what most believe will be a slow 40 added to a questionable work ethic/character...

If he is available and so is Hali, it would be a tough choice but I would go with the DE....

TexanBob

02-03-2006, 09:25 PM

Well, first of all, I don't want somebody around who could cause Sarge to get a third strike.

But, even without that, no i'm not interested.

I think the Broncos are in great shape where they are. This draft is deep with low firsts. You can help yourself in two places or even trade down and get a bonus pick with the second one.

RBs grow on trees with the Broncos. Why play premium for one?

ludo21

02-03-2006, 09:29 PM

Byron Chamberlain was a pro bowler at Minnesota.

was that with Denny tho?

I agree Davis would open up that O big time, but their NEED is OL, give the QB some time and those WR will be even MORE lethal!

Orange_Beard

02-03-2006, 11:06 PM

Jason Taylor, Ricky, Plus 16th pick for our 22 and 29 and Bell
Sure the money would never work, but Taylor is a passrusher we could really use.

Block buster! Would never happen.

baja

02-03-2006, 11:24 PM

Jason Taylor, Ricky, Plus 16th pick for our 22 and 29 and Bell
Sure the money would never work, but Taylor is a passrusher we could really use.

Block buster! Would never happen.

Riiight! Or they give us Chambers, RW and Taylor and we give them, oh lets say a pound of seedless grapes.

Crushaholic

02-03-2006, 11:54 PM

If Shanahan does this, I would have to SERIOUSLY question his mental state after losing in the AFC Championship Game...

Orange_Beard

02-04-2006, 07:58 AM

Riiight! Or they give us Chambers, RW and Taylor and we give them, oh lets say a pound of seedless grapes.

A whole pound of grape seeds?

OrangeShadow

02-04-2006, 08:22 AM

in the words of kennison

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/b_funk/kennison.gif

errand

02-04-2006, 08:39 AM

The one "yes" vote so far should weigh in and explain why he voted that way

I'm not the one "yes" vote.

My personal feeling is no way, because I think we should have good players with even better character. While I also think that people should be given a second chance (as long as they meet certain requirements) , we already know Ricky is a pot head. And like they say - "old habits die hard"....or "tigers don't change their stripes", etc.

I'd be worried he'd revert to his old weirdo ways.......

Having said that...the Bronco fan in me says if it'll win us the Lombardi a few times then why not? I'm all for improving the team....I love the Broncos...not any one player. While I have my personal favorite players over the years...I smiled just as broad the next morning when Ken Karcher and Joe Dudek won as I did when John and TD won.

Would you have traded Tom Jackson, Randy Gradishar, Craig Morton, Rick Upchurch, John Elway, Steve Atwater, Dennis Smith or Shannon Sharpe if it meant a few more Lombardi's sitting inside the trophy case?

As great a pleasure as watching them play was....I'd have to say yes.

Hercules Rockefeller

02-04-2006, 08:40 AM

15 yes votes, 1 was an admitted joke, and 1 had the balls to say why he'd do the trade. There are 13 posts missing from this thread.

Billy Clyde Puckett

02-04-2006, 11:01 AM

To me RW is worth only a conditional 4th round pick. Now, like DB said if they throw in Chambers (and sign TO so we don't have to listen to that noise any more), I would jump all over it.

ozomulsion

02-04-2006, 11:03 AM

To me RW is worth only a conditional 4th round pick. Now, like DB said if they throw in Chambers (and sign TO so we don't have to listen to that noise any more), I would jump all over it.

This is just getting retarded now.

ludo21

02-04-2006, 11:06 AM

This is just getting retarded now.

I would give them a 3rd. Thats more than reasonable.

ozomulsion

02-04-2006, 11:08 AM

I would give them a 3rd. Thats more than reasonable.

Agreed in full!

-Slap-

02-04-2006, 11:11 AM

JunkyardWillie

02-04-2006, 11:11 AM

The only way I would make this trade is if someone I really liked dropped to 16. If someone like Huff or Davis were at 16 then I would really have to consider making this deal.

Clockwork Orange

02-04-2006, 11:17 AM

With the talk of guys like Kiwanuka and Winston's stock dropping, as well as the overall depth of this draft, there's no need to trade up into the mid-teens. There's going to be some nice value to be had right where the Broncos are sitting.

No trading up unless it's way up.

ozomulsion

02-04-2006, 11:27 AM

Our third rounder is very low, so we're going to need to sweeten the deal with something else. Either a day two pick or a player.

I could deal a three and five to Miami for Ricky and live quite nicely with the 1600 yards and 16 TDs he provides us next year.

Exactly! I don't understand the folks who think Ricky wouldn't make a major impact on the team. Tatum is my boy but I can see this. Ricky plays balls to the wall when he has the chance. period. He has decided to not smoke weed for 3-5 years so he'll be set up $$wise when he retires. It's simply not hard to stop smoking weed for a good while. Some people are acting like he's a crack addict.