View Full Version : Broncos: Team working on Lepsis' deal
Jeff Legwold, of the Rocky Mountain News, reports the Denver Broncos have started work on a renegotiated deal for OT Matt Lepsis, according to a source. Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan said OC Tom Nalen (just re-signed) and Lepsis were among his top offseason priorities. Lepsis, with a scheduled salary cap figure of $6.95 million for the 2006 season, is one of the team's first targets for restructuring.
Kaylore
02-03-2006, 12:55 PM
Hooray - a - for meeeee!!!!!!:flower:
yavoon
02-03-2006, 01:03 PM
sign lepsis, move foster to guard draft great tackle! gogo!
=D
ro_50
02-03-2006, 01:08 PM
I dont see George Foster moving to guard.
Coop did a nice job this year there and Ben Hamilton is a fixture at the other guard, well until Tom Nalen finally calls it a career and Hamilton will move to center.
yavoon
02-03-2006, 01:15 PM
I dont see George Foster moving to guard.
Coop did a nice job this year there and Ben Hamilton is a fixture at the other guard, well until Tom Nalen finally calls it a career and Hamilton will move to center.
u need vision!
ludo21
02-03-2006, 01:17 PM
Keep the Ol just as is. Foster was clearly not healthy all year or Green would never have entered the picture imo.
Get Lepsis signed and keep the OL. Dont move anyone around!
yavoon
02-03-2006, 01:23 PM
Keep the Ol just as is. Foster was clearly not healthy all year or Green would never have entered the picture imo.
Get Lepsis signed and keep the OL. Dont move anyone around!
why? low round picks have a long history of doing well, nalen is a 7th. and at no point in fosters career have I heard him talked about as a great lineman. maybe he's had a very long string of excuses?
ludo21
02-03-2006, 01:28 PM
why? low round picks have a long history of doing well, nalen is a 7th. and at no point in fosters career have I heard him talked about as a great lineman. maybe he's had a very long string of excuses?
Everyone has bad luck ;D
I liked our OL last year, they played great, so i dont want to diss any of them by moving them or pushing one out.
yavoon
02-03-2006, 01:46 PM
Everyone has bad luck ;D
I liked our OL last year, they played great, so i dont want to diss any of them by moving them or pushing one out.
we are always going to be able to get quality performances out of low round lineman. we "like" myers, cornell green performed "well." etc etc. but we will always have issues taking smaller less capable lineman no matter what.
w/ foster in our interior we'd have a superior athlete who's LARGE help against that interior pass rush, and give us a place to run on goalline. w/ one of the 8 first round tackle talents we'd seriously upgrade the possible talent across our line. then when nalen retires we can move hamilton to center.
Even if shanny used a first on a OT, do you really think the guy would start for us next season? Shanny will not start a rook on out OL period.... Just see Foster for proof.
yavoon
02-03-2006, 01:58 PM
Even if shanny used a first on a OT, do you really think the guy would start for us next season? Shanny will not start a rook on out OL period.... Just see Foster for proof.
how is foster proof? he has yet to perform well and if I remember was on IR? his first season.
and who cares about not starting his first year even if it is true, which it certainly doesn't need to be. we suck at wr and if we draft one he definitely aint gna start, or hell even be good probably.
Orange_Beard
02-03-2006, 02:03 PM
Good.
DBroncos4life
02-03-2006, 02:07 PM
Right now you would have to think Myers and PJ are in line to push Cooper for the starting job. We have some others that seem to have the size to play in our system as well.
We run a complex blocking scheme that no 1st round talent in this draft has played under. Pretty much all the first day projectables who have worked in a zone blocking scheme are OGs and Cs. Taking an OT in the first round is about as effective for this team as drafting a QB there, i.e. you're just taking on a several year project.
If we can resign Lepsis we'll send the same starting 5 OLs back on the field as last year. I have no problems with that, but we need to add depth. Meyers showed some upside, but we need legitimate backups besides Cornell Green, primarily youth that can step in when the older guys on the team retire.
I'd like to go OL in round 3 at least once, depending on comp picks, and at least twice on day 2. If we get two 3rd round comps like last year I'd want two 3rd round OLs and two 2nd day OLs. Use the firsts and the second for '06 impact players.
yavoon
02-03-2006, 02:28 PM
We run a complex blocking scheme that no 1st round talent in this draft has played under. Pretty much all the first day projectables who have worked in a zone blocking scheme are OGs and Cs. Taking an OT in the first round is about as effective for this team as drafting a QB there, i.e. you're just taking on a several year project.
If we can resign Lepsis we'll send the same starting 5 OLs back on the field as last year. I have no problems with that, but we need to add depth. Meyers showed some upside, but we need legitimate backups besides Cornell Green, primarily youth that can step in when the older guys on the team retire.
I'd like to go OL in round 3 at least once, depending on comp picks, and at least twice on day 2. If we get two 3rd round comps like last year I'd want two 3rd round OLs and two 2nd day OLs. Use the firsts and the second for '06 impact players.
yah and it takes 22 years for a qb to learn our system even though plummer put up his highest rating in his first year.
u win the most super bowls by consistantly drafting talent. this short term lets do it all for next year isnt wise. if there is massive talent at OL we should take advantage of that.
Jetmeck
02-03-2006, 02:38 PM
Everyone has bad luck ;D
I liked our OL last year, they played great, so i dont want to diss any of them by moving them or pushing one out.
Great, not quite. Last half of year no running lanes for any of the backs. Yes the defenses were better toward the end but in TD's day we ran on everybody even in the playoffs against the best of defenses. If it weren't for Plummer the sack count would be much higher, there is a lot of room for improvement on our O-line.
Jetmeck
02-03-2006, 02:41 PM
we are always going to be able to get quality performances out of low round lineman. we "like" myers, cornell green performed "well." etc etc. but we will always have issues taking smaller less capable lineman no matter what.
w/ foster in our interior we'd have a superior athlete who's LARGE help against that interior pass rush, and give us a place to run on goalline. w/ one of the 8 first round tackle talents we'd seriously upgrade the possible talent across our line. then when nalen retires we can move hamilton to center.
We have all seen Foster pushed around by much smaller d lineman he should be dominating. The guy has some skills maybe he doesn't have the desire ?
yavoon
02-03-2006, 02:59 PM
We have all seen Foster pushed around by much smaller d lineman he should be dominating. The guy has some skills maybe he doesn't have the desire ?
yah sure, I dunno. maybe if u let him play guard and not have to worry about a persons speed he could do better too tho! worth a shot, not like we're taking a great performer away from tackle and he'd only be replacing cooper.
i4jelway7
02-03-2006, 03:01 PM
let coop keep the job.. he did a good job this year, this guy gets no love
Billy Clyde Puckett
02-03-2006, 03:36 PM
Cooper did not do a good job this year. He was the weak link on offense. Broncs ran left all year because of it and almost every time they ran right they pulled Hamilton to help.
Heard on the radio that the Lepsis deal is done. Despite the doubters, it was a foregone conclusion
Clockwork Orange
02-03-2006, 04:05 PM
Heard on the radio that the Lepsis deal is done. Despite the doubters, it was a foregone conclusion
Which station is reporting it?
Rock Chalk
02-03-2006, 04:11 PM
Cooper did not do a good job this year. He was the weak link on offense. Broncs ran left all year because of it and almost every time they ran right they pulled Hamilton to help.
Heard on the radio that the Lepsis deal is done. Despite the doubters, it was a foregone conclusion
Broncos always run left.
Doesnt matter who is on the line, Denver runs left.
elsid13
02-03-2006, 04:34 PM
Heard on the radio that the Lepsis deal is done. Despite the doubters, it was a foregone conclusion
Wow, Front office is moving very aggressively here. I wonder what Shanahan is worried about.
Hercules Rockefeller
02-03-2006, 04:46 PM
I wonder what Shanahan is worried about.
Seems like he wants to hit the ground running when FA starts. He wants to be worried about who he is bringing in to visit, rather than getting deals done at the last minute to get under the cap.
Seems like he wants to hit the ground running when FA starts. He wants to be worried about who he is bringing in to visit, rather than getting deals done at the last minute to get under the cap.
Which is the best thing to do. Last year, while it did turn out ok, was a cluster-Fudge. The Pryce hagling was the main cause.
Nice to see that he's taking things to a higher level and geting these long time Broncos done.
TheDave
02-03-2006, 04:52 PM
Wow, Front office is moving very aggressively here. I wonder what Shanahan is worried about.
If that's true "Big Money" should be next
Hercules Rockefeller
02-03-2006, 05:18 PM
They claim to have been negotiating with him since mid-season, if they really want Warren he shouldn't be too far behind Lepsis.
TheDave
02-03-2006, 05:25 PM
They claim to have been negotiating with him since mid-season, if they really want Warren he shouldn't be too far behind Lepsis.
I remember reading that too... Hopefully it gets done quickly. My guess is after Warren we will have to deal with Pryce and his 10+ cap number.
Hercules Rockefeller
02-03-2006, 05:28 PM
I'm guessing the order is: Lepsis, Warren, Pryce, Brown, Bailey, Plummer, Wilson and then maybe Rod
yavoon
02-03-2006, 05:30 PM
I'm guessing the order is: Lepsis, Warren, Pryce, Brown, Bailey, Plummer, Wilson and then maybe Rod
bailey?!? rod?!? u mean u expect either of them to take paycuts? thats kind of asking a lot for our only performing receiver and our team MVP.
Hercules Rockefeller
02-03-2006, 05:32 PM
No, I expect them to re-do their deals to free up room this year. Just like most of the Bronco vets do every year.
ludo21
02-03-2006, 05:33 PM
bailey?!? rod?!? u mean u expect either of them to take paycuts? thats kind of asking a lot for our only performing receiver and our team MVP.
its not like they wont get their money. Bowlen aint cheap, he will pay them, just defer it into bonuses
Ray Finkle
02-03-2006, 05:34 PM
bailey?!? rod?!? u mean u expect either of them to take paycuts? thats kind of asking a lot for our only performing receiver and our team MVP.
not a paycut, a restructure. They take cap friendly money (the Signing Bonus) and covert it to roster bonuses at a higher %...therefore it lowers the cap number this year and spreads it out across the contract. The only part of the salary that counts against the cap (when released, traded) is the SB....
yavoon
02-03-2006, 05:34 PM
No, I expect them to re-do their deals to free up room this year. Just like most of the Bronco vets do every year.
u mean u just want them to take their salary in a signing bonus? cause thats relatively simple, and pretty much any player will do that. or do u want them to "redo" their deals like pryce to actually get paid less.
and "most broncos vets" dont do it every year. some do, plummer got his full contract last year I'm pretty sure.
yavoon
02-03-2006, 05:36 PM
not a paycut, a restructure. They take cap friendly money (the Signing Bonus) and covert it to roster bonuses at a higher %...therefore it lowers the cap number this year and spreads it out across the contract. The only part of the salary that counts against the cap (when released, traded) is the SB....
yah well I'd like u guys to separate whats going to happen to pryce(we're not gna pay him) as opposed to what u think u want baily to do(take his money as a bonus).
they are infact not the same, and its not really "cap friendly" its just leveraging the future.
Hercules Rockefeller
02-03-2006, 05:37 PM
Most Bronco vets receiving any significant amount of money re-do their deals. Rod, Jake, Al, MA, Nalen, Lepsis, Lynch and Pryce all re-did their deals last year.
Ray Finkle
02-03-2006, 05:39 PM
yah well I'd like u guys to separate whats going to happen to pryce(we're not gna pay him) as opposed to what u think u want baily to do(take his money as a bonus).
they are infact not the same, and its not really "cap friendly" its just leveraging the future.
Champ takes a pay cut in base (non signing bonus $). The Broncos then add that money back in as roster bonuses or extend the year of his contract. By extending the contract, the signing bonus gets reduce more each year.
With Pryce, it will be either take a big cut or Denver will have to eat the $ at take a big cap hit this year and then be done with him. Or trade him for a 4th rounder or so...
yavoon
02-03-2006, 05:39 PM
Most Bronco vets receiving any significant amount of money re-do their deals. Rod, Jake, Al, MA, Nalen, Lepsis, Lynch and Pryce all re-did their deals last year.
yes but I still want to stress the difference between not paying someone(pryce) and merely having the team leverage the future.
Hercules Rockefeller
02-03-2006, 05:42 PM
At what time has Denver leveraged the future doing something they do every year?
Ray Finkle
02-03-2006, 05:43 PM
At what time has Denver leveraged the future doing something they do every year?
good point. The only time this becomes a problem is when you sign aging vets to long term deals (skins) and have to eat the money to get rid of them.
yavoon
02-03-2006, 05:45 PM
At what time has Denver leveraged the future doing something they do every year?
taking money from this year and moving it to following years is by definition leveraging the future.
I'm not saying its universally bad idea. just that it is infact what we are doing.
Hercules Rockefeller
02-03-2006, 05:47 PM
taking money from this year and moving it to following years is by definition leveraging the future.
and it's something they do every year, it's not a problem like RF said, unless you're using the money to sign older players
~Crash~
02-03-2006, 05:49 PM
Great, not quite. Last half of year no running lanes for any of the backs. Yes the defenses were better toward the end but in TD's day we ran on everybody even in the playoffs against the best of defenses. If it weren't for Plummer the sack count would be much higher, there is a lot of room for improvement on our O-line.
LMAO you wine about our best Run blocker I would move Cooper over to lepsis side and watch the running yards pile up !
also the guy that has the problem should be the one you get rid of why move him so he can suck in his new position ? Foster was fine last year if he sucked this year because of a twisted knee could it be because his knee lol I hate these kind of posts if he sucked because of taking of plays he will always suck!
~Crash~
02-03-2006, 05:53 PM
if you want to move a player lepsis would be a monser G . he would be in a fight about every other play it would be fun to watch !!!!! untile he got kicked out of the game .
yavoon
02-03-2006, 05:55 PM
and it's something they do every year, it's not a problem like RF said, unless you're using the money to sign older players
it doesn't matter how often u do it. if u gamble every day is it not gambling? and it does matter, if bailey does this every year, moves some of his overall cap hit to the following years it will become increasingly prohibitively expensive to keep him. his cap will get higher and higher year after year as he it is continually passed off to next year.
just for example if bailey made 10 million a year in salary for 10 years and every year he moved that to a signing bonus over the remainder of his contract his cap would hits would look like this:
year 1: 1 million
years 2: 2.1 million
year 3: 3.3 million
year 4: 4.7 million
year 5: 5.85 million
year 6: 7.85 million
year 7: 10.1 million
year 8: 13.4 million
year 9: 18.4 million
year 10: 28.4 million
or thereabouts.
yavoon
02-03-2006, 05:56 PM
if you want to move a player lepsis would be a monser G . he would be in a fight about every other play it would be fun to watch !!!!! untile he got kicked out of the game .
lepsis is too talented to move to guard=[
Hercules Rockefeller
02-03-2006, 05:56 PM
I know what it does
~Crash~
02-03-2006, 06:15 PM
lepsis is too talented to move to guard=[
LMAO yep I agree but it would be fun to watch
~Crash~
02-03-2006, 06:22 PM
cooper reminds me of a young lepsis . I am sick off the term Road grader we have no need for that TD was special with this line he would tear it up !
this line would of been fine in the AFC game we got out coached !!!
~Crash~
02-03-2006, 06:23 PM
also name one time cooper got beat in the game?
elsid13
02-03-2006, 06:25 PM
also name one time cooper got beat in the game?
First Sack in NE Playoff game, LB delay blitz.
Cooper is better then people give him credit for.
eddie mac
02-03-2006, 07:10 PM
u mean u just want them to take their salary in a signing bonus? cause thats relatively simple, and pretty much any player will do that. or do u want them to "redo" their deals like pryce to actually get paid less.
and "most broncos vets" dont do it every year. some do, plummer got his full contract last year I'm pretty sure.
As far as I can recall Jake restructured his base salary last season to save Denver some cap room. He was due somewhere in the region of a base salary of $3 million or thereabouts but took it down to the minimum $665,000 which saved the Broncos $2 million or so.
We must have restructured 9 or 10 deals last offseason. Lepsis, Nalen, Rod, Jake, Lynch, Carswell, Anderson, Kanell(then released him lol), Pryce.
~Crash~
02-03-2006, 07:13 PM
I thought Pryce took an actual pay cut ?
Billy Clyde Puckett
02-04-2006, 11:14 AM
Broncos always run left.
Doesnt matter who is on the line, Denver runs left.
Look again. Every year till this year, Broncs run to right 70-75%. This year they ran to left 60% which is almost unheard of with a right handed QB.
Broncojef
02-04-2006, 12:47 PM
The NFL players union would never allow a stright pay cut. If Denver was to cut someone off the team allow him to become a free agent then sign him that might be a possibility but Pryce was a restructure last year as he was not cut. He will make the same amount of $$$ just paid in a cap friendly maaner.
Ray Finkle
02-04-2006, 12:49 PM
The NFL players union would never allow a stright pay cut. If Denver was to cut someone off the team allow him to become a free agent then sign him that might be a possibility but Pryce was a restructure last year as he was not cut. He will make the same amount of $$$ just paid in a cap friendly maaner.
That is the loop hole converting base salary to either a signing bonus or roster bonus gets around that. Remember the only part of a players salary that is concrete is the signing bonus....the rest is fluff...
Broncojef
02-04-2006, 12:57 PM
One guy I really liked was Jonathan Scott from Texas. I haven't anyone talking about him. If he was still there with our second I sure wouldn't mind seeing him as an understudy next year. I've just never been sold on Foster. he reminds me of that huge dude Shanny drafted in 1995 with no heart....Jammie Brown. Of course he was only a fourth rounder but he was painful to watch.