Cartoons spark outrage

[Old Dude]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/02/cartoons.wrap/index.html

Comments?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

More evidence that Islamic fundamentalists and Bush supporters have a lot in common.

[MrPeepers]

I am so sick of seeing these douchebags burn down everything in sight over something so trivial as this.

I would love to create a website dedicated to pictures of Muhammed in all his glory.

These people get so pissed off over this BS. May as well spam the internet with pictures and make it part of everyday life.


I know this is symbolically huge for Muslims, I just really hate religion right now for stupid **** like this.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

These nuts are as thin-skinned and reactionary when it comes to satire and free speech as most Bush supporters.

[Mile High Shack]

These nuts are as thin-skinned and reactionary when it comes to satire and free speech as most Bush supporters.

so you are comparing Bush supporters to radical Islamic fundamentalists?
LOL

ok....I suppose you also agree with the chairman of the NAACP that the republican party should fly a swastika too, eh?

[Rascal]

Welcome back to the iggy list LABS.

[alkemical]

We got enough people mad at a cartoon here too.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The editor who published them was Egyptian. (EDIT) The Owner is Egyptian and fired the French editior)
Anyone have any links to the cartoons so I can see what they are threatening the world over?




The irony....
Muslims promote tolerant Islam at hajj

Many Muslims in annual pilgrimage believe associating Islam with terror and violence is unjust.
http://tinyurl.com/9elqy


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Found one..


http://religion.info/artman/uploads/0222_jyllands-posten.jpg


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IN SEARCH OF A BRAVE AMERICAN NEWSPAPER (UPDATED)
By Michelle Malkin · February 02, 2006 10:02 AM

***11:20am update...I've just learned that the NYSun published two of the cartoons in today's print edition...will post scans if I can get them...bravo!...scan posted below...***

SupportDenmarkSmall2EN.png

I have contacted several newspaper op-ed editors urging them to run the Danish forbidden cartoons along with my column this week.

So far, all have declined.

Now, via a tip from Sissy Willis, I learn that the Los Angeles Times (of all papers!) is planning to run the cartoons this weekend.

I'll believe it when I see them. We'll see how well the paper's management stands up to the forces of CAIR and the international Islamist sensitivity police when the news spreads. But if the Times does withstand the furor and proceeds with publication of the cartoons--without alterations, without apologies--I will be the first to raise a Danish Fris Vodka toast to them.

[W*GS]

These nuts are as thin-skinned and reactionary when it comes to satire and free speech as most Bush supporters.

Tsk, tsk. Caught you in another one of your hypocrisies:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=768304&postcount=36

When you gonna learn?

[W*GS]

Access denied on those, BB.

Check out

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/images/islm_cartoon_1.jpg
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/images/islm_cartoon_2.jpg
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/images/islm_cartoon_3.jpg
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http://www.humaneventsonline.com/images/islm_cartoon_9.jpg
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/images/islm_cartoon_10.jpg
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/images/islm_cartoon_11.jpg
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/images/islm_cartoon_12.jpg

[Rascal]

#6 is hillarious.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Access denied on those, BB.

Check out
(Scratching head), you can't see the pics I posted?

[Mile High Shack]

(Scratching head), you can't see the pics I posted?

nope

[Old Dude]

#6 is hillarious.

Yeah, that one cracked me up too.

They should put that on a T-Shirt.

I understand the one with the bomb on his head. The rest, I don't really get.

[Rascal]

Yeah, that one cracked me up too.

They should put that on a T-Shirt.

LOL

[Old Dude]

Muslims seek UN resolution over Danish prophet cartoons

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060129/wl_mideast_afp/denmarkislamsyriabahrainunreligion_060129160121

Libya to shut embassy in Denmark

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4660796.stm

Gunmen shut EU Gaza office over cartoons

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/02/gaza.cartoon/index.html

Muslims Continue Cartoon Protest Violence

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/12069.html

Prophet cartoon row gets uglier

http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=fullnews&id=1839

In Iran, following the Friday prayers in Tehran, hundreds of thousands of worshippers staged a protest demonstration against the insulting cartoons, shouting "Death to America," "Death to Israel" and "This insult will not remain unanswered".

[Old Dude]

Protesters in Syria decry Mohammed cartoons, threaten retaliation

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1094559.php/Protesters_in_Syria_decry_Mohammed_cartoons_threat en_retaliation

Mishaal said in a speech that Muslims would conquer the West, adding 'their defeat (the West) has started in Palestine' and that the US was being defeated in Iraq.

Mishaal called on the countries that published the drawings to apologize to Muslim nations, threatening they would 'regret it' otherwise.





Cartoonist: We don't apologize for opinions

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1138920612644&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467

"This is a war of two cultures, it's really a war, and it's really important that in the West we stand up for these hard-won freedoms and that we stand up to bullying and intimidation in the name of sensitivity," Marlette said. "No one is more intolerant than people demanding tolerance, that's been my experience."

...

"In America we don't apologize for opinions, that's why we have a first amendment," Marlette said. "If we can't discuss even controversial opinions in the pages of our newspapers, where are we going to do it?"

[Old Dude]

http://www.adl.org/NR/rdonlyres/e5dv5zfblcriawjgs5y5tqgs6k5dtt6wmnomqssgeyr7vn47wn ksrsszbmw4whjy7cigq662t7hwsb/saudiarabia3intro.jpg

This particular image appeared in Al-Yawm (Saudi Arabia), November 30, 2005.

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http://www.adl.org/NR/rdonlyres/ezrpmcg6dsoawisxnp6hptp7uiopebizi7lkwumsc4eirq75m4 aonjefvyiuaxzxlzmw2s6mss72lm/egypt1.jpg

Ahram weekly, November 10-16, 2005 (Egypt)

The Jew is sitting on top of United Nations Resolutions.

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http://www.adl.org/NR/rdonlyres/esybg34revsjbuj3xv4jxqn45a5tzocembqty74ggvycgzqbs3 7ldoyl6rd63q6wdg4qbtoqbzlfal/saudiarabia2.jpg

Al-Yawm, December 1, 2005

[Mile High Shack]

I suppose Muslims aren't outraged by those Jewish images, eh?

lol

what a crazy bunch of people those muslims are

[Mile High Shack]

Prophet cartoon row gets uglier

http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=fullnews&id=1839

In Iran, following the Friday prayers in Tehran, hundreds of thousands of worshippers staged a protest demonstration against the insulting cartoons, shouting "Death to America," "Death to Israel" and "This insult will not remain unanswered".

do those morons not realize it was a dutch cartoon?

[Old Dude]

Actually, I think it was Danish, but 6 of one and a half-dozen of the other.

[Old Dude]

Germany takes a stand:

http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060202-015710-3511r

[Mile High Shack]

Actually, I think it was Danish, but 6 of one and a half-dozen of the other.

I knew it was a "D" country...lol

[Old Dude]

· Al-Gomhuria/Egyptian Gazette also reports that the head of the Lebanon-based, fundamentalist-Muslim Hezbollah movement has stated "that if Muslims had executed British novelist Salman Rushdie" back in 1989, when Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini issued a call for the "blasphemous" writer to be killed for the publication of his best-selling book, The Satanic Verses, "others would not have dared to insult Islam." "If there had been a Muslim to carry out Imam Khomeini's fatwa against the renegade...Rushdie, this rabble who insult our Prophet Mohammed...would not have dared to do so," Hezbollah's leader said in response to the current cartoons flap.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=15archive/&entry_id=2834

[DomCasual]

Why don't they ever shoot at stuff and wave guns without masks on?

I'm not trying to be coy here - it just seems strange.

[Old Dude]

Going against the flow, the editor of a Jordanian tabloid on 2 February printed three of the cartoons. Jihad Momani asked the provocative question: "What brings more prejudice against Islam -- these caricatures or pictures of a hostage taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony in Amman?"

But the paper's publishers later pulled all copies from the newsstands and fired the editor.

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/02/B519A89D-CB99-4F12-B2FF-811A253F4046.html

[Rascal]

I hope every major newspaper in the world publishes it just to piss them off...they can't boycott everybody.

And the paper that fired their editor for publshing it needs to be boycotted...LOL

[Old Dude]

The U.S. waffles:

While recognizing the importance of freedom of the press and expression, State Department press officer Janelle Hironimus said these rights must be coupled with press responsibility.
"Inciting religious or ethnic hatred in this manner is not acceptable," Hironimus said. "We call for tolerance and respect for all communities and for their religious beliefs and practices."

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/13779629.htm

[Old Dude]

PARIS, France (Reuters) -- Denmark said on Friday it could not apologize for cartoons in a Danish newspaper depicting the Prophet Mohammad as outrage spread across the Muslim world from the Middle East to countries in Asia.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/03/cartoon.wrap.reut/index.html

[Old Dude]

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/world/0602/gallery.muslim.protest/08.gaza.gi.jpg

Palestinian supporters of the Islamic fundamentalist group Hamas demonstrate Friday in Gaza City. Some Europeans are being recalled from Gaza over concerns for their safety.

[RaiderH8r]

President Bush today announced "Operation: Hankey Drop". Designed meet rapidly increasing demand with an ample supply of wah wah towels to the Middle East.

I guess this is how they're used to responding to something critical of them. Maybe that's where we've had the communication breakdown in our foreign policy in the ME.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

U.S. Calls Muhammad Drawings 'Offensive'


"Whoever defames our prophet should be executed," said Ismail Hassan, 37, a tailor who marched through the pouring rain along with hundreds of others in the
West Bank city of Ramallah.

"Bin Laden our beloved, Denmark must be blown up," protesters in Ramallah chanted.

In mosques throughout Palestinian cities, clerics condemned the cartoons. An imam at the Omari Mosque in Gaza City told 9,000 worshippers that those behind the drawings should have their heads cut off.

"If they want a war of religions, we are ready," Hassan Sharaf, an imam in Nablus, said in his sermon.

About 10,000 demonstrators, including gunmen from the Islamic militant group Hamas firing in the air, marched through Gaza City to the Palestinian legislature, where they climbed on the roof, waving green Hamas banners.

"We are ready to redeem you with our souls and our blood our beloved prophet," they chanted. "Down, Down Denmark."
http://tinyurl.com/9keee

[Rascal]

I hope for the sake of our soldiers over there that no US newspaper publishes them. Once we get out they can publish them all they want.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I hope for the sake of our soldiers over there that no US newspaper publishes them. Once we get out they can publish them all they want.
They are being published across the land. Freedom of speech and press are vital to maintaining a democracy.

[Rascal]

They are being published across the land. Fredom of speech and press are vital to maintaining a democracy.

Got a link for those pictures that US papers are publishing or are you talking out of your ass again?

If so I will have no respect for the US media at all. At least the UK recognizes the fact that while it is a freedom of the press there are greater issues involved...like the lives of our/their soldiers.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Got a link for those pictures that US papers are publishing or are you talking out of your ass again?

If so I will have no respect for the US media at all. At least the UK recognizes the fact that while it is a freedom of the press there are greater issues involved...like the lives of our/their soldiers.
Already posted a link to show the Times was publishing them and the SUN already has and more are going to.

And you should realize by now I back up all my statements with links and references, even if you don't understand them.

[Rascal]

I don't see it in this thread.

I don't understand them...lol...still think it's okay to wear t-shirts? LOL

And you want to provide some substance to your claim about ricky quiting in the fourth quarter? LOL

[Old Dude]

U.S. CONDEMNS CARTOONS

The United States condemned the cartoons on Friday, siding with Muslims who are outraged that newspapers put press freedom over respect for religion.

"We … respect freedom of the press and expression but it must be coupled with press responsibility. Inciting religious or ethnic hatreds in this manner is not acceptable," said State Department spokesman Kurtis Cooper.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1576681

[Old Dude]

Interesting background:

Denmark in crisis


When it comes to Muslims, Denmark is in the midst of a crisis, which has been provoked by the Danish government, according to Al-Habahbeh. The populist anti-immigrant Danish People's Party has played a prominent role in antagonizing Danish Muslims.



Leading members of the party have openly said Islam is not a religion but a terrorist organization. And without the far-right party's support, Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen's minority coalition of liberals and conservatives would neither have been able to come to power nor to stay there.
...
An opinion poll carried out between Monday and Wednesday this week, when the controversy reached a climax with riots on the Gaza Strip, showed that the People's Party has profited. Danish support for the party increased from 12.1 percent to 14.5 percent, Greens polling group said. Both of the governing parties' standings remained stable.



On the opposite side from People's Party, the centrist Det Radikale Venstre -- whose most vocal personality in the current conflict, parliamentarian Naser Khader, is also a co-initiator of Alternative Network -- saw its support increase from 9.2 to 10.7 percent.



"The Mohammed drawings go straight back to the immigrant debate," political scientist Lars Bille of Copenhagen University told Boersen newspaper. "The fronts are becoming sharper. And here people are looking towards (Det Radikale Venstre) and the People's Party, which each make up a pole in the debate."

Fodder for the taking

In such an inflamed atmosphere, the offending cartoons themselves weren't the real issue, Al-Habahbeh said. Instead they merely offered fodder to Muslim extremists as well as to the Danish right-wing.



"The cartoons are being misused both by Muslim extremists and the right wing here in Denmark," said Al-Habahbeh. "The Islamists and the extremists (are using them) to further their aims, saying that they attack Islam to further the clash of civilizations.

"The right-wing groups are using them to say that a Muslim can never be a democrat," he added. "The actions taken by those in some Arab countries, like flag-burning, are also being used to strengthen racist arguments here in Denmark."

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1891671,00.html

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I don't see it in this thread.
Of course you don't.

[Rascal]

Of course you don't.

Then it doesn't exist for the purposes of this discussion. I can't browse the forums and the search option doesn't work for me either.

So unless you want to provide your link here then I have no choice but to believe you are talking out of your ass. Makes no difference to me. Your call.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Then it doesn't exist for the purposes of this discussion. I can't browse the forums and the search option doesn't work for me either.

So unless you want to provide your link here then I have no choice but to believe you are talking out of your ass. Makes no difference to me. Your call.
Why would you need to browse the forums to find the post with the links in this thread?

[Rascal]

If you are referring to post #8 there is no link like I said, you have not provided a link.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If you are referring to post #8 there is no link like I said, you have not provided a link.

IN SEARCH OF A BRAVE AMERICAN NEWSPAPER (UPDATED)
By Michelle Malkin · February 02, 2006 10:02 AM

***11:20am update...I've just learned that the NYSun published two of the cartoons in today's print edition...will post scans if I can get them...bravo!...scan posted below...***

SupportDenmarkSmall2EN.png

Now, via a tip from Sissy Willis, I learn that the Los Angeles Times (of all papers!) is planning to run the cartoons this weekend.

http://tinyurl.com/yqr7u

[Rascal]

Now there is a link...good job.

Nice source BTW. I'll believe it when I see it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Now there is a link...good job.

Nice source BTW. I'll believe it when I see it.
Believe what?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

so you are comparing Bush supporters to radical Islamic fundamentalists?
LOL

As regards the whole satire/free speech thing, yes (as evidenced by the people who go bonkers and who go into "squelch mode" when they see a cartoon lampooning Bush.)

ok....I suppose you also agree with the chairman of the NAACP that the republican party should fly a swastika too, eh?

It would certainly be a more honest representation of what today's GOP has become.

[SteveTensi13]

It would certainly be a more honest representation of what today's GOP has become.

Oh really? Then I guess a more honest representation of the DNC should be a beautiful plantation with obedient black folks picking cotton!!

[elsid13]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060204/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prophet_drawings

By ALBERT AJI, Associated Press Writer 25 minutes ago


Rage against caricatures of Islam's revered prophet poured out across the Muslim world Saturday, with aggrieved believers calling for executions, storming European buildings and setting European flags afire.
Thousands of outraged Syrian demonstrators stormed the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus, setting fire to both buildings.
Police fired tear gas and water cannons to disperse demonstrators at the Norwegian Embassy after the Danish building was burned.
But the protesters broke through police barriers and set fire to the second building, shouting "Allahu Akbar!" which is Arabic for "God is great!"
Slide show


http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060204/capt.dam10102041553.syria_prophet_drawing_dam101.j pg

[footstepsfrom#27]

CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons in respect for Islam.
Yeah...that and the angry mob of machine gun toting men waving "Death to CNN" signs that were standing outside their Arab news facilities waiting for their response might have both had something to do with it. :giggle:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Oh really? Then I guess a more honest representation of the DNC should be a beautiful plantation with obedient black folks picking cotton!!

Nah - a more honest representation would be an image of a valet on his knees shining an elephant's shoes.

[Bronx33]

Well i guess the truth hurts, doesn't osama quote the koran to justify his terrorism?

[ant1999e]

I hope for the sake of our soldiers over there that no US newspaper publishes them. Once we get out they can publish them all they want.

Yeah, I would hate for our troops to get attacked with suicide and car bombs daily. Oh isn't that already the fact?

[REB]

What a bunch of hypocritical crazy lunatics these people are. Blowing up, kidnapping, beheading innocent people. Calling for the death of Jews and the Christian west. Stoning women who they "believe" commited adultery. All these things are good and perfectly acceptable but someone from a free society draws a CARTOON and they find THAT offensive. These people just like to blow chit and people up. Their completely nuts!

[elsid13]

What a bunch of hypocritical crazy lunatics these people are. Blowing up, kidnapping, beheading innocent people. Calling for the death of Jews and the Christian west. Stoning women who they "believe" commited adultery. All these things are good and perfectly acceptable but someone from a free society draws a CARTOON and they find THAT offensive. These people just like to blow chit and people up. Their completely nuts!


Ironic isn't.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Four killed in cartoon protests

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41299000/jpg/_41299288_surabayaap203b.jpg
Indonesian police fired warning shots at a rally in Surabaya


Four people have died in violent protests against cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad, following more than a week of demonstrations.

Three people died after police in Afghanistan fired on protesters when a police station came under attack, a government spokesman said.

In Somalia, a 14-year-old boy was shot dead and several others were injured after protesters attacked the police.

Further protests have been taking place from Gaza to India, Indonesia and Iran.

They follow attacks on Danish embassies in Syria and Lebanon over the weekend. The cartoons were first published in a Danish newspaper.
(CONTINUED)
http://tinyurl.com/btx9m

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Blair condemns cartoon protesters

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41298000/jpg/_41298524_suicide-pa-203.jpg
Mr Khayam says he is not sorry for dressing as a suicide bomber

The behaviour of some Muslim protesters demonstrating in London over cartoons of Prophet Muhammad was "completely unacceptable", Downing Street has said.

There have been calls for arrests after placards glorifying the 7 July bombings and calls for the enemies of Islam to be killed featured in Friday's demo.

A statement from the prime minister's office said police would have "our full support" in any actions they took.
(CONTINUED)
http://tinyurl.com/79lbn

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Muslim Demonstrations Spread Worldwide
By SAM F. GHATTAS, Associated Press Writer 44 minutes ago

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Lebanon apologized Monday to Denmark after thousands of rampaging Muslim demonstrators set fire to the building housing the Danish mission in Beirut — the most violent in a growing string of worldwide protests over caricatures of Islam's Prophet Muhammad. In
Afghanistan hundreds of demonstrators clashed with police and soldiers, leaving one dead and four injured.

The prime ministers of Spain and Turkey issued a Christian-Muslim appeal for calm, saying "we shall all be the losers if we fail to immediately defuse this situation."

In southern
Iraq, several thousand Iraqis rallied to demand severing all ties with countries in which the caricatures were published.

The protest witnessed the burning of Danish, German and Israeli flags and an effigy of Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen. Protesters called for the death of anyone who insults Muhammad and demanded withdrawal of 530-member Danish military contingent operating under British control.

Elsewhere, the main city in Indian-controlled
Kashmir came to a standstill on Monday as shops, businesses and schools shut down for a day to protest the publication of caricatures in European newspapers. Dozens of Muslim protesters torched Danish flags, burned tires, shouted slogans and hurled rocks at passing cars in several parts of Srinagar.

In the Indian capital of New Delhi, riot police fired tear gas and water cannons to disperse hundreds of students from Jamia University, who chanted slogans and burned a Danish flag.

Muslim leaders in Australia demanded a newspaper there apologize after it published one of the cartoons. The News Corp.-owned Courier-Mail, the biggest newspaper in the Queensland state capital of Brisbane, apparently became the first newspaper in Australia to publish one of the Danish caricatures on Saturday despite warnings from Muslim groups.

Palestinian police in Gaza City used batons to beat back stone-throwing protesters who gathered outside the
European Commission building. About 200 protesters waved green flags symbolizing the Islamic Hamas movement and the yellow flags of the secular
Fatah Party. Some carried banners calling for a boycott of Danish products.

Lebanese Information Minister Ghazi Aridi said early Monday that the government had unanimously "rejected and condemned the ... riots," saying they had "harmed Lebanon's reputation and its civilized image and the noble aim of the demonstration."

"The Cabinet apologizes to Denmark," Aridi said.

Police investigating Sunday's fire and riot at the building housing the Danish mission said that, contrary to previous reports, the mission offices were intact. The fire and wrecking of offices had been confined to Lebanese businesses on lower floors.

At least one person died, 30 were injured and about 200 people were detained in Sunday's violence, officials said. Prime Minister Fuad Saniora said the arrested included 76 Syrians, 35 Palestinians and 38 Lebanese.

The Beirut violence came a day after violent protests in neighboring
Syria, including the burning of the Danish and Norwegian missions. The United States accused the Syrian government of authorizing the protests in Lebanon and Syria, an accusation also made by anti-Syrian Lebanese politicians.

Thousands also took to the streets Sunday elsewhere in the Muslim world and parts of Europe, including some 3,000 Afghans who burned a Danish flag and demanding that the editors at Jyllands-Posten — which originally published the cartoons — be prosecuted for blasphemy. Afghan President Hamid Karzai urged forgiveness.

The Islamic Army in Iraq, a key group in the insurgency fighting U.S.-led and Iraqi forces, posted a second Internet statement Sunday calling for violence against citizens of countries where the caricatures have been published.
(CONTINUED)
http://tinyurl.com/9gwxe

[Haroldthebarrel]

The funny thing about it is that the paper that put the cartoons in is a tiny christian magazine that nobody had really heard of. It was actually called "magazinet".

Power of internet baby!!

[Mile High Shack]

Muslim's are stupid

plain and simple

they protest a stupid cartoon and start rioting

but people kill, behead, fly planes into buildings in the name of Allah, and they don't care

[W*GS]

http://www.reason.com/links/links020306.shtml

[Old Dude]

Associated Press says:

...

_ Afghan security forces open fire on hundreds of demonstrators outside the main U.S. base at Bagram and in the central city of Mihtarlam, killing four people.

_ Iranian protesters hurl stones and firebombs at the Danish Embassy in Tehran before police disperse them with tear gas, hours after demonstrators throw stones at the Austrian Embassy in the capital, breaking windows and starting small fires. ...

_ Police fire in the air to disperse stone-throwing protesters in northern Somalia, triggering a stampede in which a teenager is killed....

_ Lebanon apologizes to Denmark, a day after thousands of rampaging Muslim demonstrators set fire to the Danish diplomatic mission in Beirut.

_ More than 4,000 protesters rally in the southern Iraqi city of Kut demanding the severing of all ties with countries where the caricatures were published and the withdrawal of the Danish contingent.

_ U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan calls on Muslims to accept apologies offered over [the cartoons] ....

_ The European Union issues ... reminders to 18 ... countries that they are obliged under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations to protect foreign embassies.

_ The prime ministers of Spain and Turkey issued a Christian-Muslim appeal for calm...

_ Turkey's Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul says media freedoms cannot be limitless and that hostility against Muslims is replacing anti-Semitism in the West.

_ German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier says Germany will try to use its contacts with Arab countries to cool the violence.

_ About 30 Muslim newspaper delivery employees strike in southern Austria after the country's second-largest daily printed the caricatures.

_ Palestinian police in Gaza City use batons to beat back stone-throwing protesters who gathered outside the European Commission building.

_ School principals in ... Nablus tell students to boycott Danish and Norwegian products instead of demonstrating in the streets.

_ Riot police in New Delhi fire tear gas and water cannons to disperse hundreds of demonstrating university students...

_ The editor of a Polish newspaper that reprinted the images says he apologizes if the publication offended Muslims but defends the move as an act of solidarity.

_ Chechnya's acting prime minister announces a ban on all Danish organizations...

_ France Soir, the first French newspaper to publish the contested cartoons last week, briefly evacuates its offices after receiving a threatening call.

_ British Prime Minister Tony Blair criticizes the violent demonstrations, deeming such actions as "completely unacceptable."

_ A majority of Jordanian lawmakers demand that the government cancel economic and cultural agreements with Denmark, Norway, New Zealand and other nations where the caricatures were published.

...

[defenseman]

You know, the muslims , acting in such a way, can do nothing but strengthen the case against them , in all respects. Demanding the death of any man because he speaks out against or portrays your beliefs in such a way is just plain stupidity. These people , are without a doubt, their own worst enemy. I'm becoming numb to their stupidity. Let them fight it out, and we'll go in and pick up the pieces...dman

[Cito Pelon]

I'm so sick and tired of these Muslims. They complain that there is a world-wide conspiracy against Islam. Yeah, well, if you are the most violent, aggressive, hate-filled, intolerant, hegemonic group on earth, you're not gonna make tons of friends.

[Old Dude]

Cartoons of the day.

http://www.cagle.com/news/BLOG/BLOGgifs/Muhammad060203/stephff.gif

http://www.cagle.com/news/Muhammad/images/drybones.gif

http://www.cagle.com/news/Muhammad/images/petar6.gif

[elsid13]

On a side note, it is amazing the ability of technology to spread information. 15 years ago this would never happened.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Muslim's are stupid

plain and simple

they protest a stupid cartoon and start rioting

but people kill, behead, fly planes into buildings in the name of Allah, and they don't care

It's stupid (and counterproductive to the goal of stopping terrorism) to blame all Muslims for the actions of the fundamentalists on the lunatic fringe. Christians get upset when someone lumps all Christians in with Pat Robertson or that "God hates fags" guy (I forgot his name.) If someone publishes or publicly displays a cartoon or a work of art Christians view as disrespectful to Jesus (or George W. Bush) then Xians go just as ballistic.

Further, you could argue that Bush supporters get bent out of shape by cartoons that lampoon Bush, but they don't care about torture, sexual molestation of children, Abu Ghraib, tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis killed in a war justified by lies, etc.

I couldn't care less about either Islam or Christianity (as organized religions.)

My take on the whole cartoon flap is that religious people (whatever their religion) should accept the fact that every now and then somebody is going to take a shot at their sacred cow. It goes with the territory when you're religious. Develop a thicker skin and respect others' right to free speech.

[W*GS]

Christians get upset when someone lumps all Christians in with Pat Robertson or that "God hates fags" guy (I forgot his name.)

One of them is Fred Phelps, Democrat and invited to (and attended) both of Clinton's inaugurations as rewards for his fine service to the Party.

You and Phelps are alike in at least two ways...

[Rock Chalk]

These nuts are as thin-skinned and reactionary when it comes to satire and free speech as most Bush supporters.
That's kind of ironic LABIA breath, considering that anytime anyone expresses a differing opinion than yours, you lable them ditto monkeys and monkey supporters.

Just autmomatically.

But whatever.

Free speech works both ways. The West makes fun of Christianity all the time, particularly American media. And, being Christian, some of it offends but not enough to burn a building down over. Further, some of it is quite humorous.

I saw the cartoons and Im not ashamed to admit that I thought some were funny, some were stupid, some were "Hmm, that's pretty much how I see it" particularly the turbin bomb. That was just good comedy there.

So some infidel's blasphemed your false prophet. Big ****ing deal.

Let's all take up arms and bitch about the West meanwhile the Mullahs are ****ing us over from the inside and a very small elite portion dominates a hefty lower close living in slums. (there is no comparison here, as our middle class is humongous and even the slums of America are several notches above slums in other countries).

Islam is so ****ed in right now, they are so corrupt in the upper levels it reminds me a lot of the Catcholic church during the Inquisition. All that power and entitlement over the masses and so much corruption behind closed doors. Other religions have their problems and I could compare, but other followers of other religions are burning down buildings over some cartoons either now are they?

And, to make matters worse, their own ****ing people have no clue. They talk about clueless americans but I can read, in three languages and all I read is how ****ing stupid Islamic people have become.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That's kind of ironic LABIA breath, considering that anytime anyone expresses a differing opinion than yours, you lable them ditto monkeys and monkey supporters.

Just autmomatically.

But whatever.


Wrong again, pencil neck.

Nine times out of ten, I only engage in name-calling when you or one of your Kool-Aid slurping buddies goes there first. Even some of your buddies have acknowledged this.

But keep on seeing what you want to see if it protects you from a confrontation with all those pesky inconvenient facts.

[Mile High Shack]

It's stupid (and counterproductive to the goal of stopping terrorism) to blame all Muslims for the actions of the fundamentalists on the lunatic fringe. Christians get upset when someone lumps all Christians in with Pat Robertson or that "God hates fags" guy (I forgot his name.) If someone publishes or publicly displays a cartoon or a work of art Christians view as disrespectful to Jesus (or George W. Bush) then Xians go just as ballistic.

Further, you could argue that Bush supporters get bent out of shape by cartoons that lampoon Bush, but they don't care about torture, sexual molestation of children, Abu Ghraib, tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis killed in a war justified by lies, etc.

I couldn't care less about either Islam or Christianity (as organized religions.)

My take on the whole cartoon flap is that religious people (whatever their religion) should accept the fact that every now and then somebody is going to take a shot at their sacred cow. It goes with the territory when you're religious. Develop a thicker skin and respect others' right to free speech.

I don't see christians world wide burning down buildings over a cartoon

[Spider]

And this outrage over a cartoon shocks us how ? Imean these freaking people are not very bright to begin with except for Saddam according to Bush he was a freaking mastermind ..................

[W*GS]

Nine times out of ten, I only engage in name-calling when you or one of your Kool-Aid slurping buddies goes there first. Even some of your buddies have acknowledged this.

Not "nine times out of ten", more like "one in ten".

LABF splutters out the name-calling without provocation regularly.

[Spider]

Not "nine times out of ten", more like "one in ten".

LABF splutters out the name-calling without provocation regularly.
Get bent you fúcking freak , you make a thread celebrating the Broncos loosing to the steelers here , far as I am concerned you are getting what you deserve .........W*GS you are about as much use as títs on a boars ass ....

[Rascal]

I don't see christians world wide burning down buildings over a cartoon

No kidding.

So when Iran said that the holocaust was fake did we see Jews burning down buildings and what not? Of course they responded with statements of condemnation as they should, and as the religious leaders of Christianity and Islam should when cartoons come out against their religion, but the Jews nor Christians have been burning down buildings over a cartoon or some statement.

They are looking for a reason to protest and cause some violence and they found it.

[El Guapo]

Iranian Paper Seeks Holocaust Cartoons

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/iran_cartoons

you've got to be kidding me. these muslims are starting to really piss me off. Not only are they trying to make fun of the holocaust but they're trying to prove it never happened. :oyvey: Im sorry, Ive been to a very real holocaust museum and met with two people who were in a concentration camp. to tell me it never happened. please. ~Popps~

to all you extremists:
http://www.uruknet.info/uruknet-images/833605429-nuke.jpg

[Spider]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/iran_cartoons

you've got to be kidding me. these muslims are starting to really piss me off. Not only are they trying to make fun of the holocaust but they're trying to prove it never happened. :oyvey: Im sorry, Ive been to a very real holocaust museum and met with two people who were in a concentration camp. to tell me it never happened. please. ~Popps~This is exactly why the Muslims are were they are ,they dont take the time to think for themselfs , they will just take a leaders word for everything , I doubt 99.9% of the muslims pissed off have seen the cartoon , or if they have , they probably wouldnt understand to be pissed off ..........

[Rascal]

This is exactly why the Muslims are were they are ,they dont take the time to think for themselfs , they will just take a leaders word for everything , I doubt 99.9% of the muslims pissed off have seen the cartoon , or if they have , they probably wouldnt understand to be pissed off ..........

That is one of the big problems that the west has with the east. I think relations between Muslims and everybody else are going to continue to get worse in the future.

[Spider]

That is one of the big problems that the west has with the east. I think relations between Muslims and everybody else are going to continue to get worse in the future.
Dealing with stupid people is never easy , and most of the time realy isnt worth the effort , unless of course you have had a bad day , and need someone to pick on

[Rascal]

Dealing with stupid people is never easy , and most of the time realy isnt worth the effort , unless of course you have had a bad day , and need someone to pick on

When stupid people have something that you really need (OIL) then it becomes necessary to educate them.

[bendog]

That is one of the big problems that the west has with the east. I think relations between Muslims and everybody else are going to continue to get worse in the future.
Isn't it an insult to muslims to even use Mohammad's name, let alone draw a picture of him?

[REB]

Sad to say, but everyday I turn on the news I despise these barbaric, uncivilized freaks more and more and wonder if only we could get Europe, Russia and China on board to wipe these f'kers out and split up the land.

[Spider]

When stupid people have something that you really need (OIL) then it becomes necessary to educate them.
you dont educate people like this , thats what Bush is learning now , either you killem or leave em alone ..........I dont know why people will think these middle east fúcks will have a moment of zen , and join us in reality ........and it realy isnt just the Muslims, China , NorthKorea , even some here in America .........

[Rascal]

Bendog, yes it is an insult if an infidel uses his name and it's an insult if anybody has a picture of him.

I agree Spider and I'm leaning towards the kill option since we need their damn freaking oil.

Hell nine christian churches have been destroyed in the south in the past week. Can you imagine what would have happened if we had destroyed nine mosques in a week?

[bendog]

haven't we destroyed mosques in Iraq?

[Rascal]

haven't we destroyed mosques in Iraq?

Not very many if I recall and not nine in one week.

[Old Dude]

To me, the whole issue underscores the fact that a big part of the world does not accept the separation of church & state or freedom of speech.

[Spider]

To me, the whole issue underscores the fact that a big part of the world does not accept the separation of church & state or freedom of speech.
Speaking of the Christian right , not much news comming from Dobson or Robertson ...........

[Old Dude]

A new development:

Iranian paper to run Holocaust cartoons

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoonprotests/story/0,,1703925,00.html

[bendog]

To me, the whole issue underscores the fact that a big part of the world does not accept the separation of church & state or freedom of speech.
I think Pat Robertson would declare a jihad if there were cartoons of moses doeing ethnic cleansing and killing all prisoners who were males or women but keeping the young girls for breeding (which he did in Exodus) or Jesus stealing a donkey (which he did). But we prolly wouldn't burn mosques. The ME is largely an uneducated third world place. Like Africa.

[Old Dude]

I think Pat Robertson would declare a jihad if there were cartoons of moses doeing ethnic cleansing and killing all prisoners who were males or women but keeping the young girls for breeding (which he did in Exodus) or Jesus stealing a donkey (which he did). But we prolly wouldn't burn mosques. The ME is largely an uneducated third world place. Like Africa.

Hypothetically, even if Denmark had a newspaper that published anti-Jesus cartoons seven days a week, and even if Pat Robertson called for a jihad against them, I doubt that you'd see thousands of Americans, Canadiens and Australians storming the Danish embassies.

Boycotts wouldn't surprise me though.

[Rascal]

Hypothetically, even if Denmark had a newspaper that published anti-Jesus cartoons seven days a week, and even if Pat Robertson called for a jihad against them, I doubt that you'd see thousands of Americans, Canadiens and Australians storming the Danish embassies.

Boycotts wouldn't surprise me though.

If they did it twice on Sunday you might see some people though. ROFL!

Nothing wrong with boycotts.

[Rock Chalk]

It's stupid (and counterproductive to the goal of stopping terrorism) to blame all Muslims for the actions of the fundamentalists on the lunatic fringe. Christians get upset when someone lumps all Christians in with Pat Robertson or that "God hates fags" guy (I forgot his name.) If someone publishes or publicly displays a cartoon or a work of art Christians view as disrespectful to Jesus (or George W. Bush) then Xians go just as ballistic.

Further, you could argue that Bush supporters get bent out of shape by cartoons that lampoon Bush, but they don't care about torture, sexual molestation of children, Abu Ghraib, tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis killed in a war justified by lies, etc.

I couldn't care less about either Islam or Christianity (as organized religions.)

My take on the whole cartoon flap is that religious people (whatever their religion) should accept the fact that every now and then somebody is going to take a shot at their sacred cow. It goes with the territory when you're religious. Develop a thicker skin and respect others' right to free speech.
I beg to differ LABF. Its not just fundamentalists protesting and starting riots. These are just normal Muslims.

I understand being offended at someone who bashes your religion. I do, I get offended at a lot of the people on here for bashing Christians and Christianity. But what I dont do is go burn a building down over it or you would have been dead a long time ago.

See, I show tolerance for other's opinions because, like me, they are free to say and think whatever they want. Particularly those ****s in Palestinian area's who danced in teh street while people were dying in the WTC. I didnt go burn down mosque's or light up Arab embassy's. I hated them, but I didnt attack people that had nothing to do with them. I didn't choose to boycott an entire people's goods and services because a few morons danced in the street at our misfortune.

That's the point.

Yes, Christians get mad and we protest, but in so doing we do not burn down buildings or cause violence. Im talking about the modern world here. Now. Today. Muslims of all degrees (hardcore fundamentalists and moderates) are being irrational about some cartoons published in a country that isn't Muslim and has a very very small Muslim population. A country that is free to speak, to challenge and, yes, to incite.

The simple fact is, most of the world is not bound by Allah's commands. Most of the world thinks Allah and his religion is a violent mess. Hence, most of the world could give a **** about blasphemous images of some pedophile named Mohammad. Let them be mad, let them protest, but the moment they start using violence over it, it becomes irrational and far beyond any measure that is necessary.

[El Guapo]

A new development:

Iranian paper to run Holocaust cartoons

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoonprotests/story/0,,1703925,00.html

that was new 20 posts ago. :giggle:

[Old Dude]

that was new 20 posts ago. :giggle:

oops.

:olddude:

my memory isn't so hot anymore

[REB]

I beg to differ LABF. Its not just fundamentalists protesting and starting riots. These are just normal Muslims.

I understand being offended at someone who bashes your religion. I do, I get offended at a lot of the people on here for bashing Christians and Christianity. But what I dont do is go burn a building down over it or you would have been dead a long time ago.

See, I show tolerance for other's opinions because, like me, they are free to say and think whatever they want. Particularly those ****s in Palestinian area's who danced in teh street while people were dying in the WTC. I didnt go burn down mosque's or light up Arab embassy's. I hated them, but I didnt attack people that had nothing to do with them. I didn't choose to boycott an entire people's goods and services because a few morons danced in the street at our misfortune.

That's the point.

Yes, Christians get mad and we protest, but in so doing we do not burn down buildings or cause violence. Im talking about the modern world here. Now. Today. Muslims of all degrees (hardcore fundamentalists and moderates) are being irrational about some cartoons published in a country that isn't Muslim and has a very very small Muslim population. A country that is free to speak, to challenge and, yes, to incite.

The simple fact is, most of the world is not bound by Allah's commands. Most of the world thinks Allah and his religion is a violent mess. Hence, most of the world could give a **** about blasphemous images of some pedophile named Mohammad. Let them be mad, let them protest, but the moment they start using violence over it, it becomes irrational and far beyond any measure that is necessary.

Quoted for truth!

1-2-3 :Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I beg to differ LABF. Its not just fundamentalists protesting and starting riots. These are just normal Muslims.

The point is: How many hundred million Muslims are there in the world? I forgot the head count. At any rate, all of them didn't take to the streets in violent protest over this cartoon. Far from it.

It's just as unfair to lump all Muslims in with the nuts who do stupid things as it is to lump all Christians in with Pat Robertson or the "God hates fags" guy.

But what I dont do is go burn a building down over it or you would have been dead a long time ago.

....he threatens from the safety of his pc.


Yes, Christians get mad and we protest, but in so doing we do not burn down buildings or cause violence.

"We?"

With the mouth on you and the intense hatred you radiate with your every profanity-laced post, I would have never in a million years made you for a "Christian."

And surely you're not suggesting Christians have never caused violence?


The simple fact is, most of the world is not bound by Allah's commands.

That's what I was alluding to in the part of my post about free speech.

[elsid13]

Does anyone have a link that shows the cartoons?

[Antilles]

I beg to differ LABF. Its not just fundamentalists protesting and starting riots. These are just normal Muslims.

All of the Muslims I know are offended. None of them are rioting.

IMO, this isn't about fundamentalism, or Islam at all for that matter. Its about marginalization. Bottom line is that the middle east looks over the horizon and sees nothing but Western cultural, political, and economic hegemony. Throw in the fact that Western nations support Israel, and you've got a pissed off group of people looking for any reason to explode. Look to the earlier riots in France as a microcosm of this - its what happens when people feel like they are being exploited. Tough ****, I say. Still it is important to identify the root cause.

Now compare this to just about any Muslim who also happens to be an American citizen. Have you read anything about American Muslims (or any Muslims in just about any Western nation) rioting over this? Not really. Many American Muslims are no less offended over these cartoons. Many American Muslims are no less devout than the rioters. They, on the other hand, enjoy the benefits of western hegemony. Afterall, its tough to riot when your Range Rover needs a tune up. Plus, they have the added benefit of a Western education which values free speech, even when it astounds your sense of morality.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

All of the Muslims I know are offended. None of them are rioting.

IMO, this isn't about fundamentalism, or Islam at all for that matter. Its about marginalization. Bottom line is that the middle east looks over the horizon and sees nothing but Western cultural, political, and economic hegemony. Throw in the fact that Western nations support Israel, and you've got a pissed off group of people looking for any reason to explode. Tough ****, I say. Still it is important to identify the root cause.

Now compare this to just about any Muslim who also happens to be an American citizen. Have you read anything about American Muslims (or any Muslims in just about any Western nation) rioting over this? Not really. Many American Muslims are no less offended over these cartoons. Many American Muslims are no less devout than the rioters. They, on the other hand, enjoy the benefits of western hegemony. Afterall, its tough to riot when your Range Rover needs a tune up. Plus, they have the added benefit of a Western education which values free speech, even when it astounds your sense of morality.

Quoted for truth!

[orangenblue2]

Those are some interesting posts. I was just thinking...wouldn't the whole, entire world be better off if we didn't have any religion at all??? Just think, we'd never have to discuss this kind of BS ever again...just a thought.:peace:

[Old Dude]

If it wasn't religion, we'd just find something else to fight over.

(\_/)
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(> <) to help him achieve world domination.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Good for this newspaper! Once censorship is the rule freedom is lost. They even threw in new one.

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French weekly reprints cartoons
By Kerstin Gehmlich and Swaha Pattanaik
PARIS (Reuters) - A French satirical weekly reprinted cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad on Wednesday and published one of its own on its front page, further angering Muslim groups which say the caricatures are blasphemous.

French Muslim organizations tried to prevent Charlie Hebdo reprinting the 12 cartoons, which were first published by the Danish paper Jyllands-Posten, but a court rejected their suit on Tuesday on a technicality.

President Jacques Chirac condemned "overt provocations" which could enflame passions, but did not name Charlie Hebdo in his latest appeal for restraint in a dispute that has triggered violent protests across the Muslim world.

Charlie Hebdo carried the new cartoon on its front page, depicting the Prophet Mohammad burying his face in his hands and saying: "It's hard to be loved by fools."

Sales of the weekly were brisk in Paris. Inside pages showed the 12 cartoons that were first printed in Denmark and included an editorial explaining the decision to reprint them.

"When extremists extract concessions from democracies on points of principle, either by blackmail or terror, democracies do not have long left," Charlie Hebdo editor Philippe Val wrote.

As well as publishing the Danish cartoons, Charlie Hebdo published other cartoons on its back page which caricatured other religions including Christianity and Judaism.

Sources at Charlie Hebdo said some staff had been placed under police protection. Two police officers guarded the weekly's offices in the center of Paris on Wednesday morning.

The parking space in front of the offices was cordoned off and police checked people entering the building, where a sign said no more copies of the weekly were left for sale.

MUSLIM IRE

The cartoons, reprinted by several European papers, have provoked a crisis between Europe and the Muslim world. Islam prohibits any depiction of the Prophet Mohammad.

French Muslim organizations said they would continue to try to take legal steps against Charlie Hebdo and the daily newspaper France Soir, which reprinted the controversial cartoons last week. France Soir later sacked its editor.

"We would have hoped for there to be a willingness to calm things down," said Fouad Alaoui of the Union of French Islamic organizations (UOIF).

"Charlie Hebdo wants to fan the flames. France's Muslims say 'No'. In our societies, we must not allow insults to be encouraged," Alaoui said.

France's 5-million strong Muslim community is the largest in Europe and makes up about 8 percent of the French population.

"I condemn all obvious provocations which could dangerously fuel passions," a spokesman quoted Chirac as telling a government meeting.

"Anything that can hurt the convictions of someone else, in particular religious convictions, should be avoided. Freedom of expression should be exercised in a spirit of responsibility."

Chirac urged the government to be particularly attentive to the security of French citizens abroad.
http://tinyurl.com/8pp49

[loborugger]

I beg to differ LABF. Its not just fundamentalists protesting and starting riots. These are just normal Muslims.

I understand being offended at someone who bashes your religion. I do, I get offended at a lot of the people on here for bashing Christians and Christianity. But what I dont do is go burn a building down over it or you would have been dead a long time ago.

See, I show tolerance for other's opinions because, like me, they are free to say and think whatever they want. Particularly those ****s in Palestinian area's who danced in teh street while people were dying in the WTC. I didnt go burn down mosque's or light up Arab embassy's. I hated them, but I didnt attack people that had nothing to do with them. I didn't choose to boycott an entire people's goods and services because a few morons danced in the street at our misfortune.

That's the point.

Yes, Christians get mad and we protest, but in so doing we do not burn down buildings or cause violence. Im talking about the modern world here. Now. Today. Muslims of all degrees (hardcore fundamentalists and moderates) are being irrational about some cartoons published in a country that isn't Muslim and has a very very small Muslim population. A country that is free to speak, to challenge and, yes, to incite.

The simple fact is, most of the world is not bound by Allah's commands. Most of the world thinks Allah and his religion is a violent mess. Hence, most of the world could give a **** about blasphemous images of some pedophile named Mohammad. Let them be mad, let them protest, but the moment they start using violence over it, it becomes irrational and far beyond any measure that is necessary.

Good stuff, Alec.

I wanna follow up with one point. I do believe that its a lunatic fringe in the Mid East that is plundering Western diplomatic missions. However, where is the moderates during all this? Where is the Gov'ts? What would happen here in the States had a group of people burned the Saudi or Egyptian Embassies in DC after 9/11? Troops would have guarded every embassy with any remote ties to the Arab world, and the police would have moved greatly to quell the disturbances. Leaders from all over the western world would have spoken out against these acts. Bush himself would have issued an apology and offered to finance the repair/rebuilding of the structures, plus compensate the victims. I dont see anything like that coming outta Syria. What is it Burke said, "all that is necessary for evil men to prevail is for good men to do nothing?" Sounds to me like the inmates are running show.

[Old Dude]

Newspaper staff walks out when publisher refuses to print cartoons:

http://thepoliticker.observer.com/2006/02/ny-press-kills-cartoons-staff-walks-out.html

We have no desire to be free speech martyrs, but it would have been nakedly hypocritical to avoid the same cartoons we'd criticized others for not running, cartoons that however absurdly have inspired arson, kidnapping and murder and forced cartoonists in at least two continents to go into hiding. Editors have already been forced to leave papers in Jordan and France for having run these cartoons. We have no illusions about the power of the Press (NY Press, we mean), but even on the far margins of the world-historical stage, we are not willing to side with the enemies of the values we hold dear, a free press not least among them.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Newspaper staff walks out when publisher refuses to print cartoons:

http://thepoliticker.observer.com/2006/02/ny-press-kills-cartoons-staff-walks-out.html

We have no desire to be free speech martyrs, but it would have been nakedly hypocritical to avoid the same cartoons we'd criticized others for not running, cartoons that however absurdly have inspired arson, kidnapping and murder and forced cartoonists in at least two continents to go into hiding. Editors have already been forced to leave papers in Jordan and France for having run these cartoons. We have no illusions about the power of the Press (NY Press, we mean), but even on the far margins of the world-historical stage, we are not willing to side with the enemies of the values we hold dear, a free press not least among them.

Good for them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just to show you how sharp these people are check out photo...

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060205/i/r4232673220.jpg?x=380&y=283&sig=J5bBX17KefO_4qUST50PWQ--
Yahoo!/Reuters caption: Lebanese Islamists tear a Swiss flag in front of the Danish consulate in Beirut February 5, 2006. Angry demonstrators set the Danish consulate in Beirut ablaze on Sunday and the violent turn in protests over publication of cartoons of Prophet Mohammad drew condemnation from European capitals and moderate Muslims. REUTERS/Adnan Hajj

Yep, that's right. They are tearing apart a Swiss flag in front of the Danish consulate.

[alkemical]

I just feel like the world is ready to pop.

hope it's done well and done right, i always like a bit o' chaos

[Rascal]

I just feel like the world is ready to pop.

same here but apparently I'm a pessimist.

[alkemical]

I'm not. Look things are always going to seem bad during the course of change. But then in the long run it often was the right call. Now of course i'm a realist to know that there could be a setback. But i think as a whole the world is tired of it, tired of the same old same old. We could be on the edge of a golden age again.

[Antilles]

Good for them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just to show you how sharp these people are check out photo...

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060205/i/r4232673220.jpg?x=380&y=283&sig=J5bBX17KefO_4qUST50PWQ--
Yahoo!/Reuters caption: Lebanese Islamists tear a Swiss flag in front of the Danish consulate in Beirut February 5, 2006. Angry demonstrators set the Danish consulate in Beirut ablaze on Sunday and the violent turn in protests over publication of cartoons of Prophet Mohammad drew condemnation from European capitals and moderate Muslims. REUTERS/Adnan Hajj

Yep, that's right. They are tearing apart a Swiss flag in front of the Danish consulate.

Lazy. 30 seconds spent on the internet would have shown them the difference....

[Requiem]

The world is heading in the wrong direction, and we're a huge part of it doing so.

[El Guapo]

Good for them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just to show you how sharp these people are check out photo...

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060205/i/r4232673220.jpg?x=380&y=283&sig=J5bBX17KefO_4qUST50PWQ--
Yahoo!/Reuters caption: Lebanese Islamists tear a Swiss flag in front of the Danish consulate in Beirut February 5, 2006. Angry demonstrators set the Danish consulate in Beirut ablaze on Sunday and the violent turn in protests over publication of cartoons of Prophet Mohammad drew condemnation from European capitals and moderate Muslims. REUTERS/Adnan Hajj

Yep, that's right. They are tearing apart a Swiss flag in front of the Danish consulate.


my guess is that they chose that flag because it has a cross on it. (being facetious? maybe. is it the truth? who knows. )

[loborugger]

The world is heading in the wrong direction, and we're a huge part of it doing so.

We are responible for our role. However, there is plenty of blame to go around. There are entirely too many people saying blaming others for their own missteps - be it criminals, addicts, or countries.

[Old Dude]

... We could be on the edge of a golden age again.

Or maybe not.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/02/08/nigeria.birdflu.ap/index.html

PARIS, France (AP) -- A "highly pathogenic" strain of the H5N1 bird flu virus has been found in poultry stocks in Nigeria -- the first reported case of the disease in Africa, the Paris-based World Organization for Animal Health said Wednesday.

...

Experts are particularly concerned that H5N1 might mutate into a form spread easily among humans, triggering a pandemic capable of killing millions.

[alkemical]

Or maybe not.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/02/08/nigeria.birdflu.ap/index.html

PARIS, France (AP) -- A "highly pathogenic" strain of the H5N1 bird flu virus has been found in poultry stocks in Nigeria -- the first reported case of the disease in Africa, the Paris-based World Organization for Animal Health said Wednesday.

...

Experts are particularly concerned that H5N1 might mutate into a form spread easily among humans, triggering a pandemic capable of killing millions.


You have to go through the trials and tribulations first..... but then the mysterious death of all those microbiologists maybe 'thinning of the herd' is planned....

[Old Dude]

Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime. ~Potter Stewart

[El Guapo]

great, now they're directing all their anger at the U.S. because, "(the U.S.) "is the leader of Europe and the leading infidel in the world."

guess the leader of iran has put that nugget out there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060208/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prophet_drawings_133;_ylt=Av2C4P61oeJH_Jf1S3rp6Jzb EfQA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

[Old Dude]

Somehow, being called the "leading infidel in the world" just doesn't bother me very much.

Nnyah!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The world is heading in the wrong direction, and we're a huge part of it doing so.

And just think: If it wasn't for that pesky little commodity called "oil," we wouldn't be in this mess.

If the greedy bastards who pull Bush's strings would just find an honorable way to obtain the oil (as opposed to just taking what doesn't belong to them by force) then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Old Dude]

Good news & bad...

Half a million Muslims protest peacefully in Beirut.

Unlike Sunday, when protesters torched the building housing the Danish Consulate, there were no signs of violence in Thursday's march in the Lebanese capital, Reuters reported.

But they should really get a new tune:


"At your service, oh Mohammed, at your service, oh Prophet of God," the crowds chanted with fists raised. "Death to America, Death to Israel."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/02/09/cartoon.protests/index.html

[orangeatheist]

http://www.cagle.com/news/Muhammad/images/ofarrell.gif

[Mile High Shack]

http://www.cagle.com/news/Muhammad/images/ofarrell.gif

that's it, I'm burning your house down

actually it was funny.....besides the language

[orangeatheist]

that's it, I'm burning your house down

actually it was funny.....besides the language

But you see? That's the deal. The cartoon's language was ment to be offensive to people who revere Jesus and Yahweh. I fully expected Mile High and llama to have their noses pushed a bit out of joint by the cartoon. But, like the civilized person he is, someone like Shack can understand the meaning of the cartoon --the context--and simply express his discomfort with the language. You really aren't going to burn down any property; threaten to kill.

And, just so you know that we atheists can take a joke, too:

http://www.cagle.com/news/Muhammad/images/ofarrell5.gif

:giggle:

[Mile High Shack]

But you see? That's the deal. The cartoon's language was ment to be offensive to people who revere Jesus and Yahweh. I fully expected Mile High and llama to have their noses pushed a bit out of joint by the cartoon. But, like the civilized person he is, someone like Shack can understand the meaning of the cartoon --the context--and simply express his discomfort with the language. You really aren't going to burn down any property; threaten to kill.

And, just so you know that we atheists can take a joke, too:

http://www.cagle.com/news/Muhammad/images/ofarrell5.gif

:giggle:

LOL LOL

[REB]

http://www.cagle.com/news/Muhammad/images/ofarrell.gif

That's it! Where's the nearest Atheist embassy..................You can kidnap, torture, behead, blow people and buildings up all you like, but now you've gone too far........:)

1-2-3 :Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

[Popps]

President Jacques Chirac condemned "overt provocations"

Amusing. This from a secular country that won't even allow kids to wear religious headwear in schools. Typical French bull****. They've got a dirty back-yard and yet insist on yapping about everyone else's.

The company I worked for a few years back was all French people. You want to talk about a bunch of racists!?

Talk to some Muslims living in France and see how happy they are there. They're all in poverty and highly outcast.

I wonder if French people believe their own bull****?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And the bigotry, nationalism, religious intolerance, and jingoism continue...

I'm becomming more and more convinced that the right-wing nutjobs who support Bush's Middle East "policies" want neither peace nor an end to terrorism (or an end to tensions between the west and the ME.)

What they really want (particularly people like errant who call themselves "Christians") is World War III and/or the extermination of all Muslims as a group.

All these people do is pour gasoline on the flames.

They love Bush because Bush's policies give them a way to legitimize their xenophobic hatred, bigotry, and religious intolerance.

[Old Dude]

This should PO a few locals:

Iran tells Muslims to target U.S., not Denmark, over cartoons
Fri. 10 Feb 2006
Iran Focus

Tehran, Iran, Feb. 10 – A senior Iranian cleric called on Muslims on Friday to direct their fury over cartoons of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad at the United States, rather than Denmark.

When crowds of worshippers in Tehran chanted “Death to Denmark” during his fiery sermon, Tehran Friday prayers leader Ahmad Khatami told them, “We shouldn’t say ‘Death to Denmark’. Denmark is nothing! We must say, ‘Death to America’. It’s the Americans who set up the likes of the Danes”.

Khatami, who is not related to Iran’s former president, accused the European Union of “double standards” in its approach to the publication of cartoons of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad and Iran’s denial of the Holocaust.

“They talk about human rights and freedom of expression, but at the same time they disgustingly insult more than a billion Muslims”, the ayatollah told worshippers in central Tehran.

“They justify this great crime on the grounds of freedom of expression and the stupid Prime Minister of Denmark says that they are willing to pay the price of freedom. But these very countries who claim to respect freedom of expression do not allow the smallest talk about the myths of Holocaust and persecution of the Jews”, he said.

“The United States and European states are taking advantage of human rights, freedom of speech, disarmament, and the International [Atomic Energy] Agency. All of these are being misused. They want to force their rule upon the world through these methods”, the senior cleric said.

Turning to the situation in Iraq, Khatami said that the U.S. had spent a lot in the country “but they got the opposite result. The Iraqi people entered the scene and voted for Islam”.

He said that the victory of the radical Islamist group Hamas in the Palestinian elections was the “most effective blow” to U.S. prestige.

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5712

[Mile High Shack]

lol

once again more proof of the idoicy of islam

[Old Dude]

Translation: The US won't let us have nukes.

[loborugger]

Actually looking at it from the Mullahs perspective, it makes perfect sense.

His belief is rooted in hatred (otherwise it wouldnt be death to this and death to that). Now, everyone knows the big boy on the block is the USA. If the US falls, or gives in... the rest of the European nations will fall, also. He has his hatred priorities in order.

[REB]

They can keep spoutin' off all they like. Their time is coming. tick...tick...tick...KABOOM!



1-2-3 :Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

They can keep spoutin' off all they like. Their time is coming. tick...tick...tick...KABOOM!



1-2-3 :Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

If we ever attack any other nation with nuclear weapons preemptively, it will be the end of us.

[Old Dude]

Not too happy with France today, either ...

Tens of militant Iranian students attacked the French embassy and tried to climb over the embassy walls to pull down the French flag.

A large number of police and anti-riot forces had to intervene to prevent the students from invading the embassy compound.

The police intervention led to heavy clashes with the students belonging to the paramilitary Basij (volunteer) group. Several students were arrested.

While shouting 'Death to France' and demanding the expulsion of the French ambassador and the closure of the embassy, the students threw stones and Molotov cocktails, smashing windows and causing other damage to the embassy building.

...

Khatami, an ultraconservative professor in Islamic seminaries and not related to former reformist President Mohammad Khatami, once again linked the cartoon affair to the Holocaust.

'If freedom of press is a pretext to insult the prophet, then why are people arrested and jailed for just commenting on the fairy tale of the Holocaust,' the ayatollah said.

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1096641.php/Renewed_violent_demonstrations_in_Tehran_against_c artoons

Fairy Tales:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Mass_Grave_Bergen_Belsen_May_1945.jpg/200px-Mass_Grave_Bergen_Belsen_May_1945.jpg

http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Belzec01.jpg



http://library.thinkquest.org/13831/media/holodeth.gif

[REB]

If we ever attack any other nation with nuclear weapons preemptively, it will be the end of us.

Hopefully they'll piss off Europe and Russia enough as well so they will join in on the fun. We need to remove these barbarians from the planet so the rest of the world can get on with just calling each other poo poo heads like the good ol' days. :peace:

1-2-3 :Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

[Old Dude]

If Iran gets close to making a nuke, Isreal will bomb the facilities.

[Rascal]

If we ever attack any other nation with nuclear weapons preemptively, it will be the end of us.

why?

[REB]

If Iran gets close to making a nuke, Isreal will bomb the facilities.

No doubt. Their not gonna allow them wackos to posess nuclear weapons.

1-2-3 :Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

[loborugger]

'If freedom of press is a pretext to insult the prophet, then why are people arrested and jailed for just commenting on the fairy tale of the Holocaust,' the ayatollah said. [/I]



Oh, man, where to start.... who was arrested... or jailed... holocaust a fairy tale... all in 1 sentence.

Dont ever let the facts get in the way of a good story.

[Mile High Shack]

don't skinheads call the holocaust a hoaxs too?

we need to let the skinheads battle the muslims in a battle royale

[Old Dude]

Well, technically, "holocaust denial" is an offense in some European Countries, such as Germany and the Czech Republic.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/germany/article/0,,1706795,00.html

The actual charge is generally framed in terms of "inciting hatred, libel and disparaging the dead."

[REB]

I'm sendin' Bubba and the boys over their to kick some azz...

[Bronx33]

Ya know these clowns getting pi$$ed because their god was being drawn as a promoter of terrorism, then they get mad and kill eachother maybe this is the point where they need to look at the ones using their beloved religion as a reason for terrorism AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! They want to force this religion down our troats as a good and loving religion and on the other hand not saying or doing anything about the one using their religion as a bases for terrorism. Iam having a tough time trying to tell the difference between a good muslim and a bad one since i haven't seen a good one lift a ****in finger to come out in public and denounce the terrorist.

[Old Dude]

Background on Zundel:

http://www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/zundel.asp?xpicked=2&item=zundel

Among the highlights ...

The principal outlet for Zundel's early activities was his Toronto-based company, Samisdat Publishers, Ltd., which produced Zundel originals (like The Hitler We Loved and Why) and Holocaust-denial classics (including The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, by Arthur Butz; A Straight Look at the Third Reich and The Six Million Swindle, by Austin App; and Auschwitz, Dachau, Buchenwald: The Greatest Fraud in History, by Richard Harwood).[2] In addition, Zundel created two essentially one-man operations: the German-Jewish Historical Commission, which promoted Holocaust denial, and Concerned Parents of German Descent, which disseminated anti-Zionist propaganda to ethnic Germans. Zundel also contributed articles to the now-defunct West Virginia-based neo-Nazi magazine, Liberty Bell, published by George Dietz, and was listed on the editorial staff of White Power Report, another Dietz publication.

...

Zundel's early writings are a mix of neo-Nazi and white supremacist rhetoric, condemnations of Jews and Zionism, charges that Western media and governments bash Germany and Germans, and Holocaust-denial and conspiracy theory. He was fixated on U.F.O.'s, believing them to be Nazi secret weapons based somewhere in Antarctica.

...

"Wherever we look, we White people find ourselves besieged by peoples of other races who compete aggressively against us for jobs, food, housing, education and above all -- power! The Jews are particularly adept at seizing or insinuating themselves into strategic positions in our society where they wield power far beyond the extent of their numbers....Through us, the White majority of Europe and America, the Jewish minority have obtained their advantages, including their Israel, their Federal Reserve, their World Bank and their International Monetary Fund. In exchange for these advantages, the Jews give us -- their White hosts -- wars, depressions, inflation, unemployment, energy shortages, higher and higher taxes and air piracy."

...

In the late 1970s and early 1980s, the catalog of Samisdat Publications grew from a few texts about Holocaust denial to a vast offering of Nazi and neo-Nazi memorabilia. It included some 50 posters featuring "Nazi Secret Weapons" ("military artists' depictions of actual German Secret Weapons are taken directly from the original blueprints, enlivened by showing them in combat action situations") including one-man jet-packs, "aerial mines" and flying saucers. It also contained an audiotape section of "Historic Speeches, Marches and Battle Songs," featuring "Music of the Third Reich" ("inspiring and nourishing food for the Aryan soul"), "Wehrmacht Victory Fanfare," "Adolf Hitler Speaks," "The Reichstag Declaration of War" and two-dozen more, along with numerous pamphlets and books devoted to Holocaust denial and the enumeration of Allied and Zionist "war crimes."

Through the sale of these materials and the solicitation of donations, Zundel was able to distribute his Holocaust-denial and pro-Nazi materials throughout the world, with particular emphasis on Canada, the United States and West Germany. In the United States, he claimed, his mailing list of media outlets, politicians and educators reached 29,000; he placed full-page advertisements for Samisdat Publications in several mass-circulation magazines and was even able, for a time, to buy advertising space in Marvel Comics.

...

he composed "The West, War, and Islam" himself and mailed it to several hundred public figures in the Middle East. The letter warns Muslims that their enemies - particularly "international Zionists" -- were "goad[ing] the West into a future criminal war" against them. Zundel asked for financial support so that he could lead the fight against the Zionist misinformation campaigns and dispel the myth of the "so-called Holocaust," from which, he claimed, Zionists gain so much of their power.
...

[Re: his partner, Ingrid Rimland]:

...

Rimland has also become known for her "ZGrams," daily columns (distributed through a listserv) that cheerlead for Zundel and other deniers and offer conspiratorial commentary. The "ZGram" of April 26, 1999, is characteristic. Responding to (incorrect) reports that the two teenage killers in the then-recent massacre at Columbine High School were motivated in part by a preoccupation with Hitler and Nazism, she wrote:

These were not manly Aryan teenagers -- these were punks acting like extras out of one of those horrible Hollywood psycho-thrillers! ....They were and are not Hitler's children! They are the product of democracy's failure to provide decent role models to young people...Don't blame Hitler -- he had no hand in raising them! ....Had these two punkers been given correct information about a genuine contemporary moral leader...these youngsters would have known that once there lived a well-bred Aryan man who thoroughly despised all mind games with a brutal and satanic twist, decried all aberrant, unhealthy sexuality, [and] had no use whatsoever for Marilyn Manson shock rock....

The argument is seamlessly of a piece with Holocaust denial: if only these two teenagers had been Nazis, they never would have been mass murderers.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

lol

once again more proof of the idoicy of islam

Then Pat Robertson's latest gaffe (or the freak show who assassinates a doctor who performs abortions) is "proof of the idiocy of Christianity" by the same logic.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

They can keep spoutin' off all they like. Their time is coming. tick...tick...tick...KABOOM!



1-2-3 !!!!!!!

"Onward Christian soldiers," eh?

[Mile High Shack]

Then Pat Robertson's latest gaffe is "proof of the idiocy of Christianity" by the same logic.

dude, seriously

how you can defend these idiots is beyond me

they'd kill you as soon as they'd kill me...even if you didn't believe in God

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

dude, seriously

how you can defend these idiots is beyond me

they'd kill you as soon as they'd kill me...even if you didn't believe in God

I'm not defending the idiots doing the stupid stuff - I'm just saying it's no more fair to say that these nuts are representative of all Muslims than it is to say Pat Robertson or the nutjobs who bomb abortion clinics are representative of all Christians.

[Antilles]

If Iran gets close to making a nuke, Isreal will bomb the facilities.

I thought it was generally assumed that Iran actually had a small number of nukes lying around (less tha 10) but lacked the capability to deliver them?

[Mile High Shack]

I'm not defending the idiots doing the stupid stuff - I'm just saying it's no more fair to say that these nuts are representative of all Muslims than it is to say Pat Robertson or the nutjobs who bomb abortion clinics are representative of all Christians.

I don't see a lot of christians blowing themselves up, beheading people, flying planes into building, rioting in the 10's of thousands over a cartoon

[Old Dude]

I thought it was generally assumed that Iran actually had a small number of nukes lying around (less tha 10) but lacked the capability to deliver them?

Not according to US Intelligence.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11759.htm

But they've been wrong before. :)

[REB]

dude, seriously

how you can defend these idiots is beyond me

they'd kill you as soon as they'd kill me...even if you didn't believe in God

Because he thinks he's...(from his profile)

Location:
The fast lane (yea, life on the war/politics forum typing monkeyboy, chimp, nazi kool aid drinkin' bush boys is nothing if not living life in the fast lane Hilarious! )

Interests:
Confounding "dittoheads" <------------( yea, ok. Isn't he amazing? He's so smrt. Ha! )

Occupation:
24 hr. party person (Too cool and totaly awesome dude :peace: )

1-2-3 :Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I don't see a lot of christians blowing themselves up, beheading people, flying planes into building, rioting in the 10's of thousands over a cartoon

But think of all the whack jobs who bomb abortion clinics, assassinate abortion doctors, call for the assassination of foreign heads of state, etc.

And what do you suppose would happen if some major newspaper in America published some cartoon making fun of Jesus?

The Terri Schiavo nutrolls would come out of the woodwork.

There are nuts and extremists in every religion. This doesn't make every follower of those religions a nut (which was my point.)

[Old Dude]

I'm not defending the idiots doing the stupid stuff - I'm just saying it's no more fair to say that these nuts are representative of all Muslims than it is to say Pat Robertson or the nutjobs who bomb abortion clinics are representative of all Christians.

Well, it would be completely unfair to lump all Muslims together.

Or even all the Muslims in Iran.

But anti-American sentiments are pretty strong in Iran, and have been for awhile. And the development of nuclear power seems to be a major focus of the nationalism there.

The nuts in control right now might be a minority, but they are in control.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Because he thinks he's...(from his profile)

Location:
The fast lane (yea, life on the war/politics forum typing monkeyboy, chimp, nazi kool aid drinkin' bush boys is nothing if not living life in the fast lane Hilarious! )

Interests:
Confounding "dittoheads" <------------( yea, ok. Isn't he amazing? He's so smrt. Ha! )

Occupation:
24 hr. party person (Too cool and totaly awesome dude :peace: )

1-2-3 :Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

More evidence that you're out of ammo.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Well, it would be completely unfair to lump all Muslims together.

Or even all the Muslims in Iran.

But anti-American sentiments are pretty strong in Iran, and have been for awhile. And the development of nuclear power seems to be a major focus of the nationalism there.

The nuts in control right now might be a minority, but they are in control.

I wasn't addressing Iran, specifically.

I was addressing MHS's comment re: "the idiocy of Islam."

[Old Dude]

I wasn't addressing Iran, specifically.

I was addressing MHS's comment re: "the idiocy of Islam."

Well I disagree with MSH on most political issues, but he's not an idiot and I'm sure he was speaking in shorthand for the radical fundamentalists.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Well I disagree with MSH on most political issues, but he's not an idiot and I'm sure he was speaking in shorthand for the radical fundamentalists.

I hope so.

Only he can answer that, I guess.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Around the time that the U.S. invaded Afghanistan, Bush was bending over backwards to assure the world that "this isn't a war against Islam."

But you can't help but get the distinct impression that a lot of Bush's supporters - particularly those who identify themselves as "Christians" - want it to be a war against Islam.

I don't know if this is true of MHS or not.

I, for one, couldn't give a sh*t less about either Islam or Christianity as organized religions.

However, I'm afraid that all the anti-Islam generalizations and rhetoric don't help further the goal of ending terrorism - they just make things worse.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Peas in a pod: Radical muslims, American conservatives

It's striking, isn't it? American conservatives are so like the radical Muslims taking to the streets this week. Both claim moral superiority based on religion. Both use the language of hatred as political speech. Both advocate violence against those with whom they disagree. And they both despise the concept of a free press.

Lest we forget, here are a few choice quotes to remind the Bill Bennetts of this world just what they and their friends really stand for:

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." Ann Coulter

"And if Al-Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it ... You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead." Bill O'Reilly

"I have to say I'm all for public flogging." Ann Coulter

"(On torture at Abu Ghraib): I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You [ever] heard of need to blow some steam off?" Rush Limbaugh

"If [Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez] thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it." Pat Robertson

"(on the kidnapping of peace activists in Iraq): "I'm telling you, folks, there's a part of me that likes this." Rush Limbaugh

"I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself." Glenn Beck

"It would be a much better country if women did not vote." Ann Coulter

"[Y]ou could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down." Bill Bennett

President Bush said of the Muslim cartoon riots, ""We reject violence as a way to express discontent with what may be printed in a free press." If he means it, he can finally call Ann Coulter to task for saying "my only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

Until then, let all these fanatics (and the politicians like Cheney who appear on their programs) be branded as the hypocrites they are. Muslim extremists and American conservatives: they're soul mates.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/peas-in-a-pod-radical-m_b_15397.html

[TomServo]

name one death on ann coulter, Rush, or anybody labf. ISLAM is stuck in the dark ages.remember "piss christ" led to NO deaths. ther is one faith stuck in the dark ages and its Not the christians.<!-- / message -->

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

name one death on ann coulter, Rush, or anybody labf.

Rush Limpballs, mAnn Coulter, Patwa Robertson, et al, openly call for violence against people who disagree with them (see foregoing quotes.)


ISLAM is stuck in the dark ages.remember "piss christ" led to NO deaths. ther is one faith stuck in the dark ages and its Not the christians.<!-- / message -->

It would probably be more accurate to say "radical fundamentalist Islam (or Christianity) is stuck in the dark ages." There are hundreds of millions of Muslims in the world. Only a small percentage of them are out there doing criminal things.

[Popps]

name one death on ann coulter, Rush, or anybody labf. ISLAM is stuck in the dark ages.remember "piss christ" led to NO deaths. ther is one faith stuck in the dark ages and its Not the christians.<!-- / message -->


As some recently explained it to me... they just don't know any better.

Muslim reaction to these cartoons is as disheartening (in a way) as 911. Just when you want to put a little faith in a people, they give you a sharp reminder that they're nowhere near ready, and may never be.

[Bronx33]

Rush Limpballs, mAnn Coulter, Patwa Robertson, et al, openly call for violence against people who disagree with them (see foregoing quotes.)



It would probably be more accurate to say "radical fundamentalist Islam (or Christianity) is stuck in the dark ages." There are hundreds of millions of Muslims in the world. Only a small percentage of them are out there doing criminal things.

And what is the majority doing to help stop the ones dragging their gods name through the mud and using it as a means to commit terrorism? sure they are not terrorists but if they don't left a finger to help or stop the bad ones (they are all the same to me)

[BroncoInferno]

[/B]

And what is the majority doing to help stop the ones dragging their gods name through the mud and using it as a means to commit terrorism? sure they are not terrorists but if they don't left a finger to help or stop the bad ones (they are all the same to me)

Yes, shame on them for not aggressively confronting the guys with the mustard gas and torture devices.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yes, shame on them for not aggressively confronting the guys with the mustard gas and torture devices.

Exactly.

According to Bronx33's logic, I'm within my rights to lump him in with the fundamentalist Christian nutrolls who bomb abortion clinics because he hasn't done anything to stop them.

[Spider]

you mean somthing like this ?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A1196-2003Jun1?language=printer
s Terrorism Tied To Christian Sect?
Religion May Have Motivated Bombing Suspect

By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, June 2, 2003; Page A03

The arrest of alleged Olympic bomber Eric Robert Rudolph may finally allow authorities to answer a question that has loomed since the beginning of the five-year hunt for him, but that has taken on deeper resonance since Sept. 11, 2001: Is he a "Christian terrorist"?

The question is not just whether Rudolph is a terrorist, or whether he considers himself a Christian. It is whether he planted bombs at the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta, two abortion clinics and a gay nightclub to advance a religious ideology -- and how numerous, organized and violent others who share that ideology may be.

A metal cross is at the entrance to the Mountainside compound near Andrews, N.C., where Eric Robert Rudolph may have been trained in anti-gay and anti-Semitic views. (Mary Ann Chastain -- AP)

_____Multimedia_____
• Video: U.S. Attorney Robert Conrad Discusses Developments
• Photo Gallery: Eric Rudolph Captured
• Video: Press Conference
• Video: Capture Ends Lengthy Manhunt
• Audio: Reporter Donald P. Baker on Search
_____Background_____
• Carolinians Doubt Rudolph Is Hiding in Their Mountains (The Washington Post, Mar 31, 1999)
• A Man Fades, a Manhunt Doesn't (The Washington Post, Oct 27, 1998)
• FBI Charges Survivalist Fugitive In Atlanta, Olympic Bombings (The Washington Post, Oct 15, 1998)
• Bomb Suspect Is Outfoxing His Pursuers (The Washington Post, Jul 22, 1998)
• Terrorism's New Profile: The Lone Wolf (The Washington Post, Jul 22, 1998)
• FBI Increases Reward For Bombing Suspect (The Washington Post, May 6, 1998)
_____On the Web_____
• Eric Rudolph on FBI's Web Site
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Federal investigators believe Rudolph has had a long association with the radical Christian Identity movement, which asserts that North European whites are the direct descendants of the lost tribes of Israel, God's chosen people. Some investigators also think he may have written letters that claimed responsibility for the nightclub and abortion clinic bombings on behalf of the Army of God, a violent offshoot of Christian Identity.

"We declare and will wage total war on the ungodly communist regime in New York and your legaslative bureaucratic lackey's in Washington. It is you who are responsible and preside over the murder of children and issue the policy of ungodly preversion thats destroying our people," one of the letters said, in childish penmanship riddled with errors.

"Based on what we know of Rudolph so far, and admittedly it's fragmentary, there seems to be a fairly high likelihood that he can legitimately be called a Christian terrorist," said Michael Barkun, a professor of political science at Syracuse University who has been a consultant to the FBI on Christian extremist groups.

Investigators have said, however, that it is unclear whether Rudolph genuinely was part of an Army of God or merely claimed to belong to an organized group. According to Barkun, most Christian Identity followers are nonviolent, and the movement's militants generally adhere to the principle of "leaderless resistance," believing that government surveillance is so pervasive that organized groups are bound to be penetrated and it is wiser to act alone.

Another expert on such groups, Idaho State University sociology professor James A. Aho, said he is reluctant to use the phrase "Christian terrorist," because it is "sort of an oxymoron."

"I would prefer to say that Rudolph is a religiously inspired terrorist, because most mainstream Christians consider Christian Identity to be a heresy," Aho said. If Christians take umbrage at the juxtaposition of the words "Christian" and "terrorist," he added, "that may give them some idea of how Muslims feel" when they constantly hear the term "Islamic terrorism," especially since the Sept. 11 attacks.

"Religiously inspired terrorism is a worldwide phenomenon, and every major world religion has people who have appropriated the label of their religion in order to legitimize their violence," Aho said.

Not only in Rudolph's case, but also in the case of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy J. McVeigh and Muslim suicide bombers, "there's always the question of what comes first, is it the religious belief or the violent personality?" Aho said. "I'm inclined to believe that people who are violent in their inclinations search out a religious home that justifies their violence."

Rudolph, 36, appears to have found his religious home during his impoverished family's wanderings in his fatherless teenage years.

The FBI believes he was exposed to Christian Identity's ideology in the early 1980s when his mother brought him to live for four months with the Church of Israel, a congregation in Schell City, Mo. Federal investigators have said that after that experience, when he was about 14, Rudolph periodically made contact with Christian Identity groups, including the Aryan Nations, an Idaho-based group that has been influential in the militia movement.

But the Church of Israel's pastor, Dan Gayman, strongly disassociated himself from Rudolph in a telephone interview yesterday.

"We very clearly and emphatically teach that all Christians have a duty and an obligation to respect all law enforcement authorities. If Eric Rudolph had listened to his lessons here, he would have learned that acts of violence were absolutely and completely out of order and something this church would never have condoned," Gayman said.

Gayman, 66, recalled that Rudolph's mother arrived at the church in the Missouri Ozarks about 1981 or '82 with Eric and Jamie, one of his four brothers, and presented herself as a "widow in very destitute condition, with two boys to feed and without money to buy food or gas." He said his congregation took them in "just long enough for them to get back on their feet."

The Church of Israel does not call itself a Christian Identity congregation. But its teachings echo the movement's, which are generally traced to two 19th-century British ministers, John Wilson and Edward Hine, who justified colonialism on the grounds that the British nation was descended from the 10 lost tribes of biblical Israel.

Asked to explain the Church of Israel's racial views, Gayman said, "We teach that God is the creator of all races, that He created them separately and distinctly with their own unique talents and characteristics, and that every race has a purpose in God's plan."

As to the purpose of whites, he said: "I would simply say that we believe that the Caucasian people are the literal descendants of the lost 10 tribes of Israel, and they would occupy a place of prominence in the plan of God."

Because the Christian Identity movement is loosely organized and keeps no membership rolls, its numbers have been estimated at anywhere from 2,000 to 100,000, including many informal chapters in prisons. Many adherents are strongly anti-Semitic, considering themselves to be the true Israelites and Jews to be impostors.

Barkun said the anti-gay and antiabortion positions that may have motivated Rudolph's alleged bombings "are a rather subordinate theme" in Christian Identity. He noted, however, that members of Rudolph's extended family have said he viewed abortion not just as the taking of life, but as a threat to the white race.

"The notion that there are significant numbers of white mothers having abortions, and therefore the race is being endangered, is interesting, because racial genocide is a major theme in Christian Identity," Barkun said.

A deeper mystery, perhaps, is the motive for the Olympic bombing, which took place at a rock concert in downtown Atlanta, killing a 44-year-old woman and injuring more than 100 others. Barkun speculated that the Olympics "may have symbolized for Rudolph the mixing of races and cultures." Or, he said, the Games may have triggered "pervasive fear of a global tyranny run from the United Nations and destroying American independence and so on."

But, he added, "anti-Olympic sentiment is not a motif in Christian Identity, and it still strikes me as an odd target."

[Spider]

or this one ?
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/099003.htm
Christian Terrorist Let Off Lightly
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Christian Terrorist Let Off Lightly
Stephen John Jordi has been sentenced to five years in federal prison for plotting to fire bomb abortion clinics, churches he disagree with and gay bars. The government recommended more time, but the judge decided that Jordi didn't qualify as a terrorist. Had he been a Muslim plotting to blow up synagogues and other buildings, you know the decision would have been different.

The Bradenton Herald (via Culture Wars) reports:

Stephen John Jordi, who was turned in by relatives and church members, received the minimum mandatory sentence. U.S. District Judge James Cohn rejected a prosecution request for a prison term of seven to 10 years. The judge said federal sentencing rules require that plots have an international component to be considered terrorism. ... Jordi, a former Army Ranger, pleaded guilty in February to attempted arson of an abortion clinic in exchange for prosecutors dropping charges of spreading explosive information and possessing an unregistered firearm.

Jordi told the informant that he planned to carry out the bombings for 30 to 40 years or until he was caught, a comment that left the judge "troubled" that Jordi's "very strong convictions" might make him dangerous after his release. Jordi corresponded with Paul Hill, who was executed last September for murdering a Pensacola abortion doctor and his volunteer escort

Even Chuck Spingola, an apologist for anti-abortion violence, sees the close similarities between Christian and Muslim terrorism:

The federal department of justice’s “war on terrorism” will not only be waged against the Muslims nations but also Christian terrorists in our homeland. One might ask what do the Muslims and Christians have in common? The Holy Bible and Koran both condemn baby murder and homosexuality as capital crimes. The radical elements of both religions are willing to do more than talk to resist the societal promotion of both these capital crimes. The foreign terrorists (Muslim) resist the imposition of the United States/United Nations charter, which promotes “population control”(abortion) and “diversity”(homosexuality), while the Christian/domestic terrorist simply resists the “law” of the land, which promotes and often subsidizes abortion and homosexuality.

Now, in 2001, 30% of the Feds ten most wanted are notoriously listed as criminals for defending womb children from their paid assassins. Magistrates and their government agencies must be “able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness;” Exod 18:21 (KJV). Civil and military leaders who meet these qualifications have been, for the most part, purged from positions of leadership in the United States of America at an accelerated rate over the past 15 years. Judge Roy Moore is a prime example of this. ... Considering what Romans chapter 13 has to say about rulers it could logically be concluded that the Christian terrorists Waggner, Rudolph, Kopp etc. qualify as “minister(s) of God” more so than America’s Department of “Justice” and its subsequent agencies.

There seems to be a certain level of denial in government circles about the seriousness of Christian terrorism in America. Only international terrorism committed by Muslims seems to matter — domestic terrorism committed on account of abortion or white supremacy are investigated, of course, but they are given the same high-level attention. Why?

[Spider]

or these ? * Christian Identity movement
* Ku Klux Klan (A racist Protestant Christian organization founded during the Reconstruction in the former Confederate States of America)
* The Order (1980s-present)

Other Christian-related terror groups with nationalist motivations include:

* Lord's Resistance Army (Christian/Pagan) (1987-present) (Uganda)
* Nagaland Rebels (1948-present) (Nagaland), including:
o The National Liberation Front of Tripura
* God's Army (a rebel faction of the Karen ethnic minority in Burma)

[Bronx33]

Yes, shame on them for not aggressively confronting the guys with the mustard gas and torture devices.


I was more thinking about coming out and speaking publically but iam sure they would just be murdered by the fun loving kind gentle relegion know as islamics.

[Bronx33]

Exactly.

According to Bronx33's logic, I'm within my rights to lump him in with the fundamentalist Christian nutrolls who bomb abortion clinics because he hasn't done anything to stop them.

Not true i called Christian nutrolls idiots just like i called the radical muslims idiots.:wiggle: and on the other hand iam not christian and if i was i would probably condemn there terrorist acts. Heck i condemned those acts anyways (nice try though)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Not true i called Christian nutrolls idiots just like i called the radical muslims idiots.:wiggle: and on the other hand iam not christian and if i was i would probably condemn there terrorist acts. Heck i condemned those acts anyways (nice try though)

Err, that's not what you said originally:

And what is the majority doing to help stop the ones dragging their gods name through the mud and using it as a means to commit terrorism? sure they are not terrorists but if they don't left a finger to help or stop the bad ones (they are all the same to me)

[Bronx33]

Err, that's not what you said originally:


Look dude iam not here to fight you and if you want to spin what i said to mean something i didn't say (your on your own)

[Popps]

It really is amazing to watch this play out.

I never thought I'd see the day where radical terrorists scared Americans out of using their own 1st Amendment rights. You guys realize that this goofy little cartoon hasn't been shown in most major media sources, right? Newsweek, Time, NY Times... you name it. Our own newspapers.... our own magazines.

Remember these bastions of free speech? These are the papers that rolled out the underwear on the head pictures without so much as batting an eye.
These are the same very papers that wouldn't think twice about running a story that might put one of our military operations in harm's way.

These same papers are peeing down their collective legs, frightened to DEATH to print a little cartoon.

Free speech?

Only if it doesn't upset radical terrorists, apparently. I've seen a lot of pathetic things from our media, lately. Reporters taking bad leads and running them as news... reporting that 11 miners are alive, when in truth they were all dead. Our media has really hit new lows.

Enjoy it, folks. Radical Muslim fundamentalism is controlling what you read. Your right to know has been trumped.

[Bronx33]

It really is amazing to watch this play out.

I never thought I'd see the day where radical terrorists scared Americans out of using their own 1st Amendment rights. You guys realize that this goofy little cartoon hasn't been shown in most major media sources, right? Newsweek, Time, NY Times... you name it. Our own newspapers.... our own magazines.

Remember these bastions of free speech? These are the papers that rolled out the underwear on the head pictures without so much as batting an eye.
These are the same very papers that wouldn't think twice about running a story that might put one of our military operations in harm's way.

These same papers are peeing down their collective legs, frightened to DEATH to print a little cartoon.

Free speech?

Only if it doesn't upset radical terrorists, apparently. I've seen a lot of pathetic things from our media, lately. Reporters taking bad leads and running them as news... reporting that 11 miners are alive, when in truth they were all dead. Our media has really hit new lows.

Enjoy it, folks. Radical Muslim fundamentalism is controlling what you read. Your right to know has been trumped.


Hmmmmm i didn't even look at it that way but it's true, fact is Radical Muslim fundamentalism needs to go away the hard way and it needs to start with regular muslims, they need to make a stand because the radicals are dragging their religion through the mud before the whole world.

[Rascal]

I had an interesting conversation today with a coworker of mine who is Iranian.

Basically he said all of the those riots you see are false ones in which the religious fanatics go to universities and "hire" students to go and protest. He said he himself was a victim of this when he was younger and his brother has been rounded up several times. He said that 90% of the Iranians hate their gov't and want America to step in and help overthrow their gov't.

He said some other stuff but it was pretty interesting.

[Mile High Shack]

so what are these jackasses excuses then?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060214/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prophet_drawings_208;_ylt=AnAOXoM_1eM7yG.Q1As6vnDb EfQA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

I'm telling you, no good can come of the Islamic religion ;) (hehe)

[Old Dude]

I had an interesting conversation today with a coworker of mine who is Iranian.

Basically he said all of the those riots you see are false ones in which the religious fanatics go to universities and "hire" students to go and protest. He said he himself was a victim of this when he was younger and his brother has been rounded up several times. He said that 90% of the Iranians hate their gov't and want America to step in and help overthrow their gov't.

He said some other stuff but it was pretty interesting.

He's probably right. No one gets to demonstrate about anything in Iran, unless the government authorizes it. There's not a real big difference between authorizing and staging.

The cartoons would have died a quiet death months ago, if certain radical groups had not done their best to disseminate them, or to otherwise complain about the fact of their publication - - after the newspaper responsible had already expressed regret. Some of the most outrageous pictures - - the Prophet as a Pig, for example - - were never published at all. They've simply been tossed onto the fire to discredit moderate Muslims, and to show that the West is simply rotten and evil.

[Bronx33]

I had an interesting conversation today with a coworker of mine who is Iranian.

Basically he said all of the those riots you see are false ones in which the religious fanatics go to universities and "hire" students to go and protest. He said he himself was a victim of this when he was younger and his brother has been rounded up several times. He said that 90% of the Iranians hate their gov't and want America to step in and help overthrow their gov't.

He said some other stuff but it was pretty interesting.

I used read an iranian blog site just to see what they really thought and they do hate the goverment with a passion so that does validate his story.

[Bronx33]

He's probably right. No one gets to demonstrate about anything in Iran, unless the government authorizes it. There's not a real big difference between authorizing and staging.

The cartoons would have died a quiet death months ago, if certain radical groups had not done their best to disseminate them, or to otherwise complain about the fact of their publication - - after the newspaper responsible had already expressed regret. Some of the most outrageous pictures - - the Prophet as a Pig, for example - - were never published at all. They've simply been tossed onto the fire to discredit moderate Muslims, and to show that the West is simply rotten and evil.

The f**** up part of this is these little demonstrations are costing some folks their lives, how a religon can take life so lightly just blows me away.

[orangeatheist]

...how a religon can take life so lightly just blows me away.

Because, my dear Mr. Bronx, there's a promised afterlife. And, my oh my, isn't it much sweeter than this one shared with all the Devil's infidels?

[Bronx33]

Because, my dear Mr. Bronx, there's a promised afterlife. And, my oh my, isn't it much sweeter than this one shared with all the Devil's infidels?

Your sig is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo true.

[Old Dude]

Because, my dear Mr. Bronx, there's a promised afterlife. And, my oh my, isn't it much sweeter than this one shared with all the Devil's infidels?

I think it would be kind of funny if the radicals who blew themselves up for the glory of the afterlife wake up, about a thousand years from now, in a super-computer-nanotechnological simulation resurrection tank and discover that:

1. The USA is still running the show.
2. They still have no chance of getting laid.

and

3. They can rejoin a society of virtual immortals who have achieved paradise on earth, just as soon as they finish their 10,000 year prison sentence.

[REB]

Man, is it really that these uncivilzed barbarians are that upset about a few stupid cartoons or do they just get off blowing chit and people up?

[Bronx33]

Man, is it really that these uncivilzed barbarians are that upset about a few stupid cartoons or do they just get off blowing chit and people up?

Not being offended is an skill,
Not a right.

[Bronx33]

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/danish005.jpg

This one of them and rather funny IMO.

[Bronx33]

The JP reports that Franz Füchsel, one of the 12 cartoonists, has decided to have his drawing of Prophet Muhammed up for auction and will donate the money to the victims of earthquake in Pakistan. A reader adds: "They've also announced that their salary and the copyright money from the cartoons shall be used for a cartoon prize celebrating freedom of expression!"

[Bronx33]

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004472.htm

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/futurejihadists002.jpg

If this logic is being taught at this young of an age i see no hope of peace when muslims are concerned.

[Mile High Shack]

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004472.htm

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/futurejihadists002.jpg

If this logic is being taught at this young of an age i see no hope of peace when muslims are concerned.

bingo

[Bronx33]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/704xewyj.asp

IT IS NOW ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that the recent murderous protests over cartoons of the prophet Muhammad published in a Danish newspaper last September were anything but spontaneous. The actions of Islamist agitators and financiers have deliberately drummed up rage among far-flung extremists otherwise ignorant of the Danish press. The usual suspects--the regimes in Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iran--have profited from the spread of the disorders, and even the likes of tiny Kuwait has reportedly offered funds to spur demonstrations throughout France. More important, however, and perhaps less widely understood, the cartoon jihad is tailor-made to advance the Muslim Brotherhood's long-term worldwide strategy for establishing Islamic supremacy in the West.

As first reported by the Italian terrorism expert Lorenzo Vidino on the Counterterrorism Blog, one of Denmark's leading Islamists, Imam Ahmed Abu-Laban, led a delegation late last year to visit influential figures in the Muslim world. He took with him a dossier of cartoons, both those that had been published and others, much more offensive, of dubious provenance. One place he took his road show was Qatar, where he briefed Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, a prominent leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and a star of Al Jazeera.

Even after the riots began, Abu-Laban continued his meddling. On February 4, he told Islamonline.net that Danish demonstrators were going to burn Korans in the streets of Copenhagen, a falsehood that nevertheless added fuel to the fire.

Abu-Laban's extremist connections are well established. A Palestinian who is close to the Muslim Brotherhood, he was expelled from the United Arab

Emirates in 1984 for his fiery sermons and denunciations of local leaders. According to Vidino, he served as translator and assistant to Talaal Fouad Qassimy, top leader of the Egyptian terrorist group Gamaa Islamiya, in the mid-1990s. During the Iraq war, he called the Danish prime minister "an American puppet." In August, he told the Washington Post that the Danes "have made immigrants pay the price. Muslims have become the scapegoat. They think we will undermine their culture and their values."

Abu-Laban's labors were not in vain, and everywhere the loudest protests have come from the Muslim Brotherhood. On February 3 in Paris, Larbi Kechat, an imam linked to the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, said, "The most abject terrorism is the symbolic kind, which spreads unlimited violence." Meanwhile, in Qatar, al-Qaradawi was calling for an "international day of anger for God and his prophet," describing the cartoonists as "blasphemers" and Europeans as "cowards." Acknowledging the latter's role, the pan-Arab daily Asharq Al-Awsat, in London, stated on February 8, "The issue disappeared from the radar until Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the mufti of Al Jazeera TV, seized upon it and called for Muslims worldwide to protest."

Finally, according to the Moroccan daily Le Matin, the U.S. branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Muslim American Society (MAS), called on Muslims everywhere to use their economic power to punish European countries where the cartoons were published. After French and German newspapers reprinted the controversial cartoons, MAS executive director Mahdi Bray commented, "Denmark has already paid an economic price for disrespecting Islam. If France and Germany want to be next, then so beit."

[Bronx33]

Just something i found..

http://retecool.com/comments.php?id=13539_0_1_0_C

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I had an interesting conversation today with a coworker of mine who is Iranian.

Basically he said all of the those riots you see are false ones in which the religious fanatics go to universities and "hire" students to go and protest. He said he himself was a victim of this when he was younger and his brother has been rounded up several times. He said that 90% of the Iranians hate their gov't and want America to step in and help overthrow their gov't.

He said some other stuff but it was pretty interesting.

Realities like these never seem to intrude on the mindset of hardcore Bush supporters (who just seem to want a war of extinction against Islam.)

[Hotrod]

Realities like these never seem to intrude on the mindset of hardcore Bush supporters (who just seem to want a war of extinction against fanatical Islam.)

Oopps your forgot something ;D

[orangeatheist]

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004472.htm

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/futurejihadists002.jpg

If this logic is being taught at this young of an age i see no hope of peace when muslims are concerned.

Makes me sick. Just sick.

I see my own little boy under that mask, being brainwashed.

With apologies to my other atheist friends, "There but for the grace...."

[Bronx33]

Makes me sick. Just sick.

I see my own little boy under that mask, being brainwashed.

With apologies to my other atheist friends, "There but for the grace...."


It made me feel the same way, his parents actually took the time to dress him up.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Oopps your forgot something ;D

Er, no.

The "death to all Muslims" folks are the ones who forgot it. :)

[Bronx33]

Say Islam is peaceful, or we will kill you.

[Spider]

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004472.htm

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/futurejihadists002.jpg

If this logic is being taught at this young of an age i see no hope of peace when muslims are concerned.
Hmmm... http://www.combat4christ.com/C4C.htm

[Spider]

Makes me sick. Just sick.

I see my own little boy under that mask, being brainwashed.

With apologies to my other atheist friends, "There but for the grace...."
seems to be more of this going on http://www.combat4christ.com/C4C.htm

[Bronx33]

http://www.pmw.org.il/cartoonphoto.html

Now remember who is outraged and who is raging.

[Spider]

http://www.pmw.org.il/cartoonphoto.html

Now remember who is outraged and who is raging.
so a select few go apeshít , you notice Malkin didnt include the Christian combat school in her piece you posted ........ I wonder why ?

[Spider]

bingo
Bingo ....... http://www.combat4christ.com/C4C.htm ........

[Bronx33]

so a select few go apeshít , you notice Malkin didnt include the Christian combat school in her piece you posted ........ I wonder why ?

I posted it for the pictures only..;D also i doubt the christian combat school is strapping bombs on themselves lol.

[Spider]

I posted it for the pictures only..;D
;D I understand , I just want to show bothsides do these things , sad very sad ,anytime you get religion involved with anything , everything gets screwed up .... This is what scares me about Neo cons , and the destroying of Church and state .......

[Bronx33]

;D I understand , I just want to show bothsides do these things , sad very sad ,anytime you get religion involved with anything , everything gets screwed up .... This is what scares me about Neo cons , and the destroying of Church and state .......

I fully agree ..

[Spider]

Now there will be those that say I am bashing christianity , lumping all Christians together , spreading hate tothe faithfull , I am prepared to handle all of this , but I will be laughing to myself , cause they do the same thing to Muslims .....
I dont back any religion , I think it is all crap .......

[Spider]

I fully agree ..
yet both religions will claim God is all powerfull , yet these fools will go into battle and slaughter themselfs , thinking their all powerfull god needs them to kill for him ........ go figure

[Mile High Shack]

Bingo ....... http://www.combat4christ.com/C4C.htm ........

not christian

seriously

how much of a learning disability do you have?

you have the mentality of a 12 year old boy

[Mile High Shack]

Now there will be those that say I am bashing christianity , lumping all Christians together , spreading hate tothe faithfull , I am prepared to handle all of this , but I will be laughing to myself , cause they do the same thing to Muslims .....
I dont back any religion , I think it is all crap .......

the difference is

let me try to spell this out slowly for you, b/c I know you have a learning disability

Jesus never taught us to do the things you are tryign to pin on people who proclaim themselves as christians, but aren't really

Muslims, on the other hand, are taught that all Jews are bad and to kill all infidels (in the Koran)

Jesus never taught hate......which is the opposite of what is taught in the Koran.

I really wish you could see the difference, but I realize your learning disability causes you not to understand, so it's ok, I forgive you, which I'm sure Jesus does too

[BroncoInferno]

the difference is

let me try to spell this out slowly for you, b/c I know you have a learning disability

Jesus never taught us to do the things you are tryign to pin on people who proclaim themselves as christians, but aren't really

Muslims, on the other hand, are taught that all Jews are bad and to kill all infidels (in the Koran)

Jesus never taught hate......which is the opposite of what is taught in the Koran.

I really wish you could see the difference, but I realize your learning disability causes you not to understand, so it's ok, I forgive you, which I'm sure Jesus does too

So, God never calls for the slaughter of non believers in the Bible? We must have read two different versions.

[Mile High Shack]

So, God never calls for the slaughter of non believers in the Bible? We must have read two different versions.

in the old testament, I believe you are correct

there is a new law where gentiles are now part of the chosen, not just Jews anymore

everyone is chosen, so no

that isn't the case anymore in new testament teaching

there is no old and new teaching in the koran

mohammed didn't die for muslim's sin's so that a new law could take place

[Bronco_Beerslug]

the difference is

let me try to spell this out slowly for you, b/c I know you have a learning disability

Jesus never taught us to do the things you are tryign to pin on people who proclaim themselves as christians, but aren't really

Muslims, on the other hand, are taught that all Jews are bad and to kill all infidels (in the Koran)

Jesus never taught hate......which is the opposite of what is taught in the Koran.

I really wish you could see the difference, but I realize your learning disability causes you not to understand, so it's ok, I forgive you, which I'm sure Jesus does too
So how many people have been killed in the name of Jesus? Must be some kind of communication breakdown if all Jesus teaches is love.

[BroncoInferno]

in the old testament, I believe you are correct

there is a new law where gentiles are now part of the chosen, not just Jews anymore

everyone is chosen, so no

that isn't the case anymore in new testament teaching

there is no old and new teaching in the koran

mohammed didn't die for muslim's sin's so that a new law could take place

Many people have been slaughtered and enslaved with the Bible used as justification over the centuries. Most contemporary Muslims reject the violent teachings of the Koran just as most contemporary Christians reject the Old Testament's violent teachings.

[Spider]

the difference is

let me try to spell this out slowly for you, b/c I know you have a learning disability

Jesus never taught us to do the things you are tryign to pin on people who proclaim themselves as christians, but aren't really

Muslims, on the other hand, are taught that all Jews are bad and to kill all infidels (in the Koran)

Jesus never taught hate......which is the opposite of what is taught in the Koran.

I really wish you could see the difference, but I realize your learning disability causes you not to understand, so it's ok, I forgive you, which I'm sure Jesus does too
you just dont get it do you ? Let me see if can put this in a way you will understand ( I doubt it but worth a try )
these people that run this course concider themselfs christians , just like the Radical muslims concider themselfs muslims ............
Not everyone in the christian community accepts the Combat for Christ .......
Just like not every Muslim accepts the Radicals ................
every religion has their zealots .............I realy didnt think it was that hard to figure out

[Mile High Shack]

So how many people have been killed in the name of Jesus? Must be some kind of communication breakdown if all Jesus teaches is love.

yep, you got it

you are not going to find anyone perfect in this world

people who hate God and Jesus are always going to look for the hypocrites in this world and it is FULL of them

like the bible says....wide is the path that leads to destruction and narrow is the way that leads to salvation

[Mile High Shack]

you just dont get it do you ? Let me see if can put this in a way you will understand ( I doubt it but worth a try )
these people that run this course concider themselfs christians , just like the Radical muslims concider themselfs muslims ............
Not everyone in the christian community accepts the Combat for Christ .......
Just like not every Muslim accepts the Radicals ................
every religion has their zealots .............I realy didnt think it was that hard to figure out

spider, I have come to this conclusion about you

you are a mean and hateful person and you only post to antagonize others and I simply have too much drama in my life to get irritated over you

so, until you can become civil and not antagonize, like Bronco Inferno for example, he is respectful and doesn't come at me guns blazing, I'm going to put you on ignore

I simply have too much drama in my life to get irritated over a person with 12 year old mentality trying to get me mad

[Mile High Shack]

Many people have been slaughtered and enslaved with the Bible used as justification over the centuries. Most contemporary Muslims reject the violent teachings of the Koran just as most contemporary Christians reject the Old Testament's violent teachings.

the difference is

the old and new law

there is no seperation in the koran

fine, so some muslims do not accept the violent teachings of the koran...to the people who follow the whole koran, they are infidels as well

the extreme muslims control the muslim religion, that is the difference

[Spider]

spider, I have come to this conclusion about you

you are a mean and hateful person and you only post to antagonize others and I simply have too much drama in my life to get irritated over you

so, until you can become civil and not antagonize, like Bronco Inferno for example, he is respectful and doesn't come at me guns blazing, I'm going to put you on ignore

I simply have too much drama in my life to get irritated over a person with 12 year old mentality trying to get me mad
nice answer ...........

[BroncoInferno]

the difference is

the old and new law

there is no seperation in the koran

fine, so some muslims do not accept the violent teachings of the koran...to the people who follow the whole koran, they are infidels as well

the extreme muslims control the muslim religion, that is the difference

There is a seperation in the Muslim by teachers who synthesize the material and put it into a historical context and teach it in this light, which is really the majority of the Muslim world.

[Mile High Shack]

There is a seperation in the Muslim by teachers who synthesize the material and put it into a historical context and teach it in this light, which is really the majority of the Muslim world.

well if that is the case, then I see what you are saying

why don't the moderates take control of their religion then?

the extremes are the ones in control

look at pakistan right now for crying out loud

an 8 year old kid got shot in the face over this cartoon crap.........it makes no sense and I see no moderates standing up.....b/c I think if they did, they know they would be branded as infidels themselves and become targets

[BroncoInferno]

well if that is the case, then I see what you are saying

why don't the moderates take control of their religion then?

the extremes are the ones in control

look at pakistan right now for crying out loud

an 8 year old kid got shot in the face over this cartoon crap.........it makes no sense and I see no moderates standing up.....b/c I think if they did, they know they would be branded as infidels themselves and become targets

Because if the moderates stand up they'll get shot in the face, too. It's easy to say, 'well, rise up moderates!', but the execution is much more complicated than the declaration.

[Mile High Shack]

Because if the moderates stand up they'll get shot in the face, too. It's easy to say, 'well, rise up moderates!', but the execution is much more complicated than the declaration.

pretty much what I thought

[BroncoInferno]

pretty much what I thought

This is an excuse to you? So, these pitifully armed moderates are supposed to do what? Through rocks at the guys with the machine guns and mustard gas? C'mon.

[Mile High Shack]

This is an excuse to you? So, these pitifully armed moderates are supposed to do what? Through rocks at the guys with the machine guns and mustard gas? C'mon.
Point is…it is a religion dominated by these extremists…and always will be, since it seems the majority of it is “extreme” (aka following the Koran closely)

[Old Dude]

70,000 maraud through streets in Pakistan. 2 shot.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,25689-2041723,00.html

This sucks.

Pakistani officials have blamed the increasingly volatile nature of the protests on Islamist militants, who are determined to take advantage of the international controversy over the Muhammad images to destabilise the regime of President Pervez Musharraf.

Musharraf sucks too, but the alternative is frightening. He's under fire from a resurgent Taliban on one side, historic enemy India still bickering over Kasmir on another, Al-Q sympathizers on another. If that government goes down, the fundamentalists will finally get their nuclear weapons.

[REB]

Anyone who can't see the difference between some wacko cult groups who call themselves "christian" scattered here and there and the 100's of thousands if not millions of Muslims gathering together on a daily basis calling for the death of millions of other people around the world and burning down buildings, blowing people up, beheading, shooting...etc has got some damn good blinders on. Or maybe their hearts have been hardened. I didn't see the Christians of the west even after 9/11 gathering in the streets of the western world by the millions burning down embassies chanting death to all Muslims. Difference being they (the Islamist radicals) are uncivilized pigs whose religion teaches them violence. They have no respect for human life that God has created.

Why are some trying to excuse the ACTIONS of so many because of the BELIEFS of a few? I personally see a hugh difference.

[Spider]

Anyone who can't see the difference between some wacko cult groups who call themselves "christian" scattered here and there and the 100's of thousands if not millions of Muslims gathering together on a daily basis calling for the death of millions of other people around the world and burning down buildings, blowing people up, beheading, shooting...etc has got some damn good blinders on. Or maybe their hearts have been hardened. I didn't see the Christians of the west even after 9/11 gathering in the streets of the western world by the millions burning down embassies chanting death to all Muslims. Difference being they (the Islamist radicals) are uncivilized pigs whose religion teaches them violence. They have no respect for human life that God has created.

Why are some trying to excuse the ACTIONS of so many because of the BELIEFS of a few? I personally see a hugh difference.
No what I posted wasnt about that , I posted what I did to show that it is just as easy to lumpall Christians together as we are doing Muslims ..........
it is so easy to point fingers at the other side , but to look @ or selfs and see fault is a much different thing ...........
Tell me Reb do you think they show the peacefull god fearingChristian on TV , or the Pat Robertson type ? and if they do that here , you can imagine watsbeing shown in the middle east .............

[Spider]

I did piss off a couple of christians here , I expected that to happen , but the average person got the jist of my post ............

[REB]

I've seen many evangelist's on television and haven't heard one of them incite millions of Christians to march through the streets and create violence and burn and bomb and kill. I can see with my own eyes what's going on in the middle east and throughout southeast asia. This isn't just about religious beliefs this is about 2 cultures in my opinion. Liberty and freedom on the one side and tyranny and repression on the other.

[Spider]

I've seen many evangelist's on television and haven't heard one of them incite millions of Christians to march through the streets and create violence and burn and bomb and kill. I can see with my own eyes what's going on in the middle east and throughout southeast asia. This isn't just about religious beliefs this is about 2 cultures in my opinion. Liberty and freedom on the one side and tyranny and repression on the other.
Pat Robertson , nevermind we all know what he did .......... 2 cultures ? more like 2 religions not saying we started this , just pointing out thereare extremes on bothsides of this ............

[alkemical]

are we really for freedom?

[REB]

There are extremes in just about everything, but again I don't see millions of Christians marching thru the streets of the western world burning down buildings and calling for the death of millions of people. Is it just me or are you not seeing the difference in extremes? Stop sniffin' the diesel fuel, step away from the truck, go inside and turn the TV on and tell me what you see. :)

1-2-3 :Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

[Spider]

There are extremes in just about everything, but again I don't see millions of Christians marching thru the streets of the western world burning down buildings and calling for the death of millions of people. Is it just me or are you not seeing the difference in extremes? Stop sniffin' the diesel fuel, step away from the truck, go inside and turn the TV on and tell me what you see. :)

1-2-3 :Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:
;D Love the smell of diesel ...........there is a difference , but how upset would you get if I had said Christianity is a very violent religion , they all love to bomb abortion clinics ......that is no different then painting all muslims with the same brush ..........

[REB]

;D Love the smell of diesel ...........there is a difference , but how upset would you get if I had said Christianity is a very violent religion , they all love to bomb abortion clinics ......that is no different then painting all muslims with the same brush ..........

You can say it but just don't draw a picture of it or I'll have to incite the millions of Christians across the country to burn down the Wyoming embassy and throw rocks at your truck. DOWN WITH SPIDERS! DOWN WITH SPIDERS! :strong: ;D

I know what your saying and I don't mean to say ALL those who profess to be muslim are violent radicals bent on the destruction of the west. If I have said that or implied it I take that back and it would have been said out of anger of what I see from the Islamist extremists. My brother in law and his family are muslim (not strict about it) and their not blowing anything up or beheading anyone and don't believe that it's ok. What I am saying is that there is a hugh difference in the beliefs and actions of a few nutjobs who profess to be christian and the beliefs and actions of MILLIONS of Muslim extremists in the middle east and southeast asia. I mean, look at them!

[Spider]

You can say it but just don't draw a picture of it or I'll have to incite the millions of Christians across the country to burn down the Wyoming embassy and throw rocks at your truck. DOWN WITH SPIDERS! DOWN WITH SPIDERS! :strong: ;D ;D

I know what your saying and I don't mean to say ALL those who profess to be muslim are violent radicals bent on the destruction of the west. If I have said that or implied it I take that back and it would have been said out of anger of what I see from the Islamist extremists. My brother in law and his family are muslim (not strict about it) and their not blowing anything up or beheading anyone and don't believe that it's ok. What I am saying is that there is a hugh difference in the beliefs and actions of a few nutjobs who profess to be christian and the beliefs and actions of MILLIONS of Muslim extremists in the middle east and southeast asia. I mean, look at them!
you and me are in agreement here

[Cito Pelon]

Moderate Muslims have a huge problem, the most fundamental problem of all. If they are not extremist Mohammedans, they get executed. And that happens a lot. It has always happened, since Mohammed came out of the desert. Extremist Mohammedans believe in one thing, and that is the supremacy of Mohammedanism, preferably by executing non-Mohammedans.

And there is way too many extremist Mohammedans. Gonna have to reduce their numbers, one way or another.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Point is…it is a religion dominated by these extremists…and always will be, since it seems the majority of it is “extreme” (aka following the Koran closely)

Damn, your arithmetic is whacked, dude.

There are hundreds of millions of Muslims in the world, and only a small percentage of them engage in terrorism.

So, how does it follow that the religion is "dominated" by these extremists?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

There are extremes in just about everything, but again I don't see millions of Christians marching thru the streets of the western world burning down buildings and calling for the death of millions of people.

Why should they?

They currently control all three branches of their government.

Plus, most of them are asleep in the Lazy Boy in front of the boob tube.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I did piss off a couple of christians here , I expected that to happen , but the average person got the jist of my post ............

Yep.

Why don't people like MHS, REB, GB, et al, just come out and admit that they want a war of extinction against Islam (as opposed to a war on terrorism?)

At least errant was more or less up front about it.

[Spider]

Yep.

Why don't people like MHS, REB, GB, et al, just come out and admit that they want a war of extinction against Islam (as opposed to a war on terrorism?)

At least errant was more or less up front about it.
wouldnt put Reb in that class , Reb is a good guy ..............; I believe Reb wants to put an end to those that want to attack us , as we all do , i dont think them being muslim or hindu means jack squat to reb

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

wouldnt put Reb in that class , Reb is a good guy ..............; I believe Reb wants to put an end to those that want to attack us , as we all do , i dont think them being muslim or hindu means jack squat to reb

From what I've seen of his posts, he seems to want to eliminate the distinction between "Muslims" and "terrorists."

If he wants to put an end to those who want to attack us (as we all do) then his failure to distinguish between terrorists and ordinary Muslims ain't helping, IMO.

[Spider]

From what I've seen of his posts, he seems to want to eliminate the distinction between "Muslims" and "terrorists."

If he wants to put an end to those who want to attack us (as we all do) then his failure to distinguish between terrorists and ordinary Muslims ain't helping, IMO.
he has establishedhe feels there is a difference , pretty consistent on that ...........

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/religio-enhancer.jpg

[Rascal]

I haven't been following this thread or read any of your posts in a while, sue me, but here is my comments on it.

In regards to Islam: While many of it's teachings are in fact violent and it can be construed to give backing to violent behavior much more so then Christianity, that does not mean that all followers of Islam are terroirists or extremists. But they do appear on TV and through the media to be controlled by extremists clerics especially in certain countries. Now whether they actually follow them or they are forced to do so is something that remains uncertain (as I said it is only in certain countries and whether that is coincidental or not is unclear).

I think one of the biggest fear factors for people in America is that you cannot identify a extremists or a moderate follower of Islam by their casual appearance. The question will always be in the back of people's mind who have a practicing Islam neighbor...are they good people or is this a ruse and they plan to destroy my family and my country. Granted the majority of them are not planning to do so, but due to the constant state of fear that image has been implanted.

[Spider]

I haven't been following this thread or read any of your posts in a while, sue me, but here is my comments on it.

In regards to Islam: While many of it's teachings are in fact violent and it can be construed to give backing to violent behavior much more so then Christianity, that does not mean that all followers of Islam are terroirists or extremists. But they do appear on TV and through the media to be controlled by extremists clerics especially in certain countries. Now whether they actually follow them or they are forced to do so is something that remains uncertain (as I said it is only in certain countries and whether that is coincidental or not is unclear).

I think one of the biggest fear factors for people in America is that you cannot identify a extremists or a moderate follower of Islam by their casual appearance. The question will always be in the back of people's mind who have a practicing Islam neighbor...are they good people or is this a ruse and they plan to destroy my family and my country. Granted the majority of them are not planning to do so, but due to the constant state of fear that image has been implanted.
you know I think every Aerican dies a little inside ,as this war goes on , I know I dont feel like we got any justice out of 9-11 as long as Osama is running around ,you are right , we are fighting an enemy that doesnt wear a uniform , hard to tell , as everyone knows I supported Bush right up to Iraq ......

[alkemical]

we can find saddam, but not who shot tupac - chris rock

[Bronx33]

Cartoons take another life..

Dubai, Feb 15 (PTI) An Indian sailor was allegedly beaten to death by his colleagues on board a Norwegian oil tanker in the international waters off the coast of Fujairah in the UAE following an argument over the cartoon row.

A fight ensued among the seamen after an argument over the cartoon issue, causing the death of one sailor, a media report said.

Official sources confirmed the death of 31-year-old Sudheer Nonia Jagannathan, hailing from Mumbai, but refused to comment on the issue.

[bendog]

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/uc/20060216/lbo060216.gif

[Chimporilla]

So, how does it follow that the religion is "dominated" by these extremists?


The problem lies with the moderates. They are doing nothing to eliminate known radicals. And they know who's who and who's up to what. Don't fool yourself. If the moderates really cared, then Al Qaeda and it's kind would cease to exist in a matter of months. But the beat goes on and it's getting louder. And rather than supporting freedom of expression and speech, the spineless Euros are asking for a voluntary moratorium on cartoons that may be offensive to spiritual beliefs.

Remember that period known as the Dark Ages? It's trying to make a comeback. And now, just like then, it has to do with religious fundamentalism. Any time any religion has gotten control of the law, it's never gone well for the people. And it's hard as hell to throw off once it's on.

[Bronx33]

The problem lies with the moderates. They are doing nothing to eliminate known radicals. And they know who's who and who's up to what. Don't fool yourself. If the moderates really cared, then Al Qaeda and it's kind would cease to exist in a matter of months. But the beat goes on and it's getting louder. And rather than supporting freedom of expression and speech, the spineless Euros are asking for a voluntary moratorium on cartoons that may be offensive to spiritual beliefs.

Remember that period known as the Dark Ages? It's trying to make a comeback. And now, just like then, it has to do with religious fundamentalism. Any time any religion has gotten control of the law, it's never gone well for the people. And it's hard as hell to throw off once it's on.


I fully agree! but in the moderates defense i think fear of ratting them out is keeping alot of moderates quite, iam hoping over time that they get sick of these guys trashing their religion.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The problem lies with the moderates. They are doing nothing to eliminate known radicals.

That would be like me blaming you for not stopping the evangelical Christian nutrolls who bomb abortion clinics and kill the doctors.

[Mile High Shack]

That would be like me blaming you for not stopping the evangelical Christian nutrolls who bomb abortion clinics and kill the doctors.

yeah
that happens on a daily basis, doesn't it