Huddle report 7 round mock draft

[Elway777]

[THE HUDDLE REPORT]
THE DRAFT MACHINE 2/2
* Indicates that the team took the "Best Player Available". This also indicates the right conditions for a trade down in the first 3 rounds.
1 TEXANS RB *Reggie Bush USC
2 SAINTS QB Matt Leinart USC
3 TITANS OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia
4 JETS QB Vince Young Texas
5 PACKERS LB AJ Hawk Ohio St
6 49ERS RB DeAngelo Williams Memphis
7 RAIDERS LB Chad Greenway Iowa
8 BILLS DT Haloti Ngata Oregon
9 LIONS DE Mario Williams North Carolina St
10 CARDINALS TE Vernon Davis Maryland
11 RAMS S Michael Huff Texas
12 BROWNS WR Santonio Holmes Ohio St
13 RAVENS CB Jimmy Williams Virginia Tech
14 EAGLES RB LenDale White USC
15 FALCONS DE Tamba Hali Penn St
16 DOLPHINS QB Jay Cutler Vanderbilt
17 VIKINGS LB DeMeco Ryans Alabama
18 COWBOYS CB *Tye Hill Clemson
19 CHARGERS DT *Gabe Watson Michigan
20 CHIEFS CB Ashton Youboty Ohio St
21 PATRIOTS RB *Laurence Maroney Minnesota
22 BRONCOS DE Mathias Kiwanuka Boston College
23 BUCCANEERS OT Marcus McNeill Auburn
24 BENGALS DT Brodrick Bunkley Florida St
25 GIANTS OT *Winston Justice USC
26 BEARS TE Marcedes Lewis UCLA
27 PANTHERS OG *Max Jean-Gilles Georgia
28 JAGUARS CB Alan Zemaitis Penn St
29 BRONCOS LB *Bobby Carpenter Ohio St
30 COLTS OT *Ryan O'Callaghan California
31 STEELERS LB *Abdul Hodge Iowa
32 SEAHAWKS DT *Rodrique Wright Texas
ROUND 2
33 TEXANS OT Jon Scott Texas
34 SAINTS LB Ernie Sims Florida St
35 JETS OT Eric Winston Miami
36 PACKERS CB Kelly Jennings Miami
37 49ERS S Darnell Bing USC
38 RAIDERS S Ko Simpson South Carolina
39 TITANS DE Kamerion Wimbley Florida St
40 LIONS QB Omar Jacobs Bowling Green
41 CARDINALS RB *Joseph Addai LSU
42 BILLS WR Derek Hagan Arizona St
43 BROWNS LB Thomas Howard UTEP
44 RAVENS DE Manny Lawson North Carolina St
45 EAGLES OG Davin Joseph Oklahoma
46 RAMS LB D'Qwell Jackson Maryland
47 FALCONS CB Dee Webb Florida
48 VIKINGS RB Brian Calhoun Wisconsin
49 COWBOYS OT Daryn Colledge Boise St
50 CHARGERS OG Taitusi Lutui USC
51 DOLPHINS DT Orien Harris Miami
52 PATRIOTS S Jason Allen Tennessee
53 REDSKINS DE Darryl Tapp Virginia Tech
54 CHIEFS WR Chad Jackson Florida
55 BENGALS TE Leonard Pope Georgia
56 GIANTS CB Antonio Cromartie Florida St
57 BEARS S Donte Whitner Ohio St
58 PANTHERS RB Maurice Drew UCLA
59 BUCCANEERS WR Sinorice Moss Miami
60 JAGUARS TE Joe Klopfenstein Colorado
61 BRONCOS OG Charles Spencer Pittsburgh
62 COLTS DT Jesse Mahelona Tennessee
63 STEELERS S Greg Blue Georgia
64 SEAHAWKS S Daniel Bullocks Nebraska
ROUND 3
65 TEXANS CB Richard Marshall Fresno St
66 TEXANS OC Nick Mangold Ohio St
67 PACKERS DE Victor Adeyanju Indiana
68 49ERS WR Todd Watkins BYU
69 RAIDERS OT Jeremy Trueblood Boston College
70 BILLS TE Anthony Fasano Notre Dame
71 JETS DT Babatunde Oshinowo Stanford
72 CARDINALS OT Andrew Whitworth LSU
73 BILLS S Bernard Pollard Purdue
74 LIONS WR Martin Nance Miami Ohio
75 PATRIOTS CB DeMario Minter Georgia
76 EAGLES DE Elvis Dumervil Louisville
77 RAMS CB Cedric Griffin Texas
78 BROWNS DT Dusty Dvoracek Oklahoma
79 FALCONS RB Jerious Norwood Mississippi St
80 COWBOYS OC Greg Eslinger Minnesota
81 CHARGERS DE Parys Haralson Tennessee
82 DOLPHINS CB Devin Hester Miami
83 VIKINGS S Pat Watkins Florida St
84 REDSKINS WR Jason Avant Michigan
85 CHIEFS DT Claude Wroten LSU
86 PATRIOTS LB Spencer Havner UCLA
87 GIANTS LB Kai Parham Virginia
88 BEARS WR Demetrius Williams Oregon
89 PANTHERS DE Mark Anderson Alabama
90 BUCCANEERS CB Will Blackmon Boston College
91 BENGALS DE Stanley McClover Auburn
92 JAGUARS RB Jerome Harrison Washington St
93 BRONCOS DT Kyle Williams LSU
94 COLTS RB Leon Washington Florida St
95 STEELERS OG Mark Setterstrom Minnesota
96 SEAHAWKS DE Ray Edwards Purdue
ROUND 4
97 TEXANS WR *Greg Lee Pittsburgh
98 SAINTS CB Jonathan Joseeph South Carolina
99 49ERS LB AJ Nicholson Florida St
100 RAIDERS DT Jonathan Lewis Virginia Tech
101 TITANS CB Anwar Phillips Penn St
102 JETS LB Gerris Wilkerson Georgia Tech
103 PACKERS DT Johnny Jolly Texas AM
104 BILLS CB Charles Gordon Kansas
105 PATRIOTS WR Maurice Stovall Notre Dame
106 CARDINALS DT Barry Cofield Northwestern
107 EAGLES TE Dominique Byrd USC
108 RAMS OG Fred Matua USC
109 BROWNS OC Ryan Cook New Mexico
110 RAVENS WR Michael Robinson Penn St
111 FALCONS WR Hank Baskett New Mexico
112 CHARGERS CB Derrick Martin Wyoming
113 DOLPHINS WR Mike Hass Oregon St
114 VIKINGS DT John McCargo North Carolina St
115 EAGLES WR Travis Wilson Oklahoma
116 JETS RB Andre Hall South Florida
117 PATRIOTS OG Jason Spitz Louisville
118 BRONCOS S Calvin Lowry Penn St
119 BEARS CB Tim Jennings Georgia
120 PANTHERS LB Jon Alston Stanford
121 BUCCANEERS RB Taurean Henderson Texas Tech
122 BENGALS S Roman Harper Alabama
123 GIANTS S Dawan Landry Georgia Tech
124 JAGUARS LB Fred Roach Alabama
125 BRONCOS WR Greg Jennings Western Michigan
126 EAGLES LB Tim Dobbins Iowa St
127 STEELERS QB Brodie Croyle Alabama
128 SEAHAWKS RB DonTrell Moore New Mexico
ROUND 5
129 TEXANS QB Charlie Whitehurst Clemson
130 SAINTS OT Zach Strief Northwestern
131 PATRIOTS DT LeKevin Smith Nebraska
132 TITANS QB Reggie McNeal Texas AM
133 JETS DE Eric Henderson Georgia Tech
134 PACKERS OC Mike Degory Florida
135 49ERS TE Tim Day Oregon
136 LIONS CB Josh Lay Pittsburgh
137 CARDINALS QB Bruce Gradkowski Toledo
138 BILLS OT Joe Toledo Washington
139 RAMS DE Frostee Rucker USC
140 BROWNS TE David Thomas Texas
141 RAVENS RB Matt Bernstein Wisconsin
142 EAGLES S Nate Salley Ohio St
143 FALCONS S Anthony Smith Syracuse
144 VIKINGS OT Kevin Boothe Cornell
145 COWBOYS LB Keith Ellison Oregon St
146 CHARGERS LB Terna Nande Miami Ohio
147 PATRIOTS OT *Jhari Evans Bloomsburg St
148 REDSKINS CB Gerrick McPhearson Maryland
149 CHIEFS OG Adam Stenavich Michigan
150 PANTHERS CB Chiijoke Onyenegecha Oklahoma
151 BUCCANEERS LB Dale Robinson Arizona St
152 BENGALS LB Stephen Tulloch North Carolina St
153 GIANTS WR Jonathan Orr Wisconsin
154 BEARS LB Omar Gaither Tennessee
155 JAGUARS WR Brandon Williams Wisconsin
156 BRONCOS RB Mike Bell Arizona
157 COLTS LB Brandon Johnson Louisville
158 STEELERS RB Brad Smith Missouri
159 SEAHAWKS WR Devin Aromashodu Auburn
ROUND 6
160 TEXANS DE Julian Jenkins Stanford
161 SAINTS DT Montavious Stanley Louisville
162 TITANS LB Rocky McIntosh Miami
163 JETS CB *Justin Wyatt USC
164 PACKERS RB Gerald Riggs Tennessee
165 49ERS OT Derek Morris North Carolina St
166 RAIDERS OG Will Allen Texas
167 CARDINALS LB Jamar Williams Arizona St
168 BILLS LB Brian Iwuh Colorado
169 LIONS OT Jabari Levey South Carolina
170 BROWNS OT Jami Hightower Texas AM
171 RAVENS OG Rob Sims Ohio St
172 CHIEFS DE Jeremy Mincey Florida
173 RAMS DT Steve Fifita Utah
174 FALCONS OG Matt Lentz Michigan
175 CHARGERS S Darrell Brooks Arizona
176 COWBOYS OG Troy Reddick Auburn
177 CHARGERS WR Skyler Green LSU
178 CHARGERS OT Albert Toeaina Tennessee
179 REDSKINS LB Tim McGarigle Northwestern
180 CHIEFS QB Paul Pinegar Fresno St
181 PATRIOTS DE *Rob Ninkovich Purdue
182 49ERS CB Darrell Hunter Miami Ohio
183 BENGALS OC Marvin Philip California
184 GIANTS DT Sir Henry Anderson Oregon St
185 BEARS OT Paul McQuistan Weber St
186 REDSKINS S Danieal Manning Abilene Christian
187 JAGUARS DT Domata Peko Michigan St
188 BRONCOS TE *TJ Williams North Carolina St
189 COLTS DE Chris Gocong Cal Poly
190 STEELERS WR Jeff Webb San Diego St
191 SEAHAWKS LB *Kevin Simon Tennessee
ROUND 7
192 TEXANS S *Dwayne Slay Texas Tech
193 SAINTS WR Cory Rodgers TCU
194 JETS OC Pat Ross Boston College
195 DOLPHINS S Greg Threat Miami
196 49ERS DE Charles Bennett Clemson
197 RAIDERS QB Barrick Nealy Texas St
198 TITANS WR Delanie Walker Missouri St
199 BILLS RB *Terrence Whitehead Oregon
200 JETS S *Jarrad Page UCLA
201 CARDINALS OC Donovan Raiola Wisconsin
202 RAVENS QB DJ Shockley Georgia
203 EAGLES OT Donald Penn Utah St
204 RAMS RB *Garrett Mills Tulsa
205 BROWNS RB *Lawrence Vickers Colorado
206 FALCONS OT Jimmy Martin Virginia Tech
207 COWBOYS QB Drew Olson UCLA
208 CHARGERS RB *Cedric Humes Virginia Tech
209 DOLPHINS LB James Anderson Virginia Tech
210 VIKINGS CB *Marcus Maxey Miami
211 CHIEFS OT Willie Hall Middle Tennessee St
212 PATRIOTS QB *Kellen Clemens Oregon
213 REDSKINS DT Larry Dibbles Texas
214 BENGALS CB Dion Byrum Ohio
215 GIANTS DT Kedric Golston Georgia
216 DOLPHINS OT Rashad Butler Miami
217 PANTHERS WR Brandon Marshall Central Florida
218 BUCCANEERS DE Pierre Woods Michigan
219 49ERS DT *Tommy Jackson Auburn
220 PANTHERS DT Manaia Brown BYU
221 COLTS WR Jason Carter Texas AM
222 STEELERS DE Mike Kudla Ohio St
223 SEAHAWKS P *Ryan Plackemeier Wake Forest

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[Perry1977]

Wow, Brandon Marshall going at #217 overall late in the 7th....no way! lol. Interesting read, though. I don't think Vickers would last until the middle of the 7th round, either.

[Elway777]

No way Denver take Boody Carpenter ever through I really like him. Right now I hoping Denver go for Kiwi,Hali or Lawson and Bunkley, Wright ,or Watson in the first and Wroten in the second. Think about Brandon Marshall and Offensive likemen in the 3 round.

[Rascal]

That is a horrible draft.

Bobby Carpertner? Why in the hell would we want him?

[Ray Finkle]

I do like 93 BRONCOS DT Kyle Williams LSU....he is a Hovan type DT....

[WABronco]

That is a horrible draft.

Bobby Carpertner? Why in the hell would we want him?

Because he may be better suited to play the strong side than DJ.

There's the possibility that we trade DJ for TO. There have been some rumors saying such anyways...

That's actually a very solid draft IMO. We get top of the line players with our first three picks, some solid sleepers in Jennings and Mike Bell. Maybe change that Carpenter pick to Lawson and the Lowry pick to Roman Harper.

[WABronco]

I do like 93 BRONCOS DT Kyle Williams LSU....he is a Hovan type DT....

Yea, same here...

[Ray Finkle]

Because he may be better suited to play the strong side than DJ.

There's the possibility that we trade DJ for TO. There have been some rumors saying such anyways...


I will grow a tail and fly to Chicago before Denver would trade DJ.....espically for TO....

[WABronco]

I will grow a tail and fly to Chicago before Denver would trade DJ.....espically for TO....

I'm not advocating it at all, but it certainly makes sense. He was on the field for maybe half the defensive snaps, maybe less than that. He's not gonna displace Ian Gold, so unless he gave any indication that he could become a more efficient SLB he could be on the block...

Someone also said that the drunken driving conviction(s) might have him in Shanny's doghouse too, which I find hard to believe because of the level of his talent. But, Shanny has showed that he doesn't deal with turds, because they're usually on the next bus outta town.

[Ray Finkle]

I'm not advocating it at all, but it certainly makes sense. He was on the field for maybe half the defensive snaps, maybe less than that. He's not gonna displace Ian Gold, so unless he gave any indication that he could become a more efficient SLB he could be on the block...

Someone also said that the drunken driving conviction(s) might have him in Shanny's doghouse too, which I find hard to believe because of the level of his talent. But, Shanny has showed that he doesn't deal with turds, because they're usually on the next bus outta town.


Mobley, House, Darrius Johnson were all convicted of one crime or another and never shipped out...Why on earth would you trade a stud LB for a player that can be had for free.


That is like paying someone to rob you...

[WABronco]

Mobley, House, Darrius Johnson were all convicted of one crime or another and never shipped out...Why on earth would you trade a stud LB for a player that can be had for free.


That is like paying someone to rob you...

True, but why waste his talent on the sidelines when you can get something of value?

I'd love it, absolutely love it if DJ just flipped the switch and became a top SLB next year. But if he's not gonna have viable playing time, then why waste him on the sidelines?

Only Shanny knows for sure::)

[Ray Finkle]

True, but why waste his talent on the sidelines when you can get something of value?

I'd love it, absolutely love it if DJ just flipped the switch and became a top SLB next year. But if he's not gonna have viable playing time, then why waste him on the sidelines?

Only Shanny knows for sure::)
You really need to search the threads and do some more reading on DJ and his playing time. He played WSLB a heck of a lot this season....


http://72.22.74.110/BB/showthread.php?t=37266&page=4

read post 83 on that one...

[DBroncos4life]

* Indicates that the team took the "Best Player Available". This also indicates the right conditions for a trade down in the first 3 rounds.
Notice that there is a * by Carpenters name.

I like the huddle report though. This draft was just done by there computer and it takes what it thinks is the best player on the board and puts it on the next team in line to draft. Well thats the way I took that.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

There's the possibility that we trade DJ for TO. There have been some rumors saying such anyways...


Eagle fans saying what they hope Denver would be willing to give up for TO are not rumors. Those are dreams.

[WABronco]

You really need to search the threads and do some more reading on DJ and his playing time. He played WSLB a heck of a lot this season....


http://72.22.74.110/BB/showthread.php?t=37266&page=4

read post 83 on that one...

Wow, I knew they rotated him with Gold, but not that much. I stand corrected...

But like I said before, I'll pray to God for the entire offseason if it would lead to DJ being a successful SLB.

[Elway777]

This would be my draft 1a.Bunkley 1b Lawson 2 Wroten 3a Setterstom 3b Brandon Marshall,convert to te.4a Reggie McNeal 4b Joe Teledo 5 Rocky McIntosh 6.Roderkus Wright.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I'm not advocating it at all, but it certainly makes sense. He was on the field for maybe half the defensive snaps, maybe less than that. He's not gonna displace Ian Gold, so unless he gave any indication that he could become a more efficient SLB he could be on the block...

Someone also said that the drunken driving conviction(s) might have him in Shanny's doghouse too, which I find hard to believe because of the level of his talent. But, Shanny has showed that he doesn't deal with turds, because they're usually on the next bus outta town.
Yeah...that'w why we need to trade our stud LB for TO...cause we don't want any more turds on this team...:rofl:

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Wow, I knew they rotated him with Gold, but not that much. I stand corrected...

But like I said before, I'll pray to God for the entire offseason if it would lead to DJ being a successful SLB.

Parcels said he should have been all pro at SLB - not sure why people think he had a bad year. He did his job - contained the run and shut down the TE. Just because his tackle total was down does not mean he had a bad year.

[Ray Finkle]

Parcels said he should have been all pro at SLB - not sure why people think he had a bad year. He did his job - contained the run and shut down the TE. Just because his tackle total was down does not mean he had a bad year.


because people become fixated on stats....Stats prove a persons worth in many eyes when in fact stats are white lies of data...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

because people become fixated on stats....Stats prove a persons worth in many eyes when in fact stats are white lies of data...


Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics.
Stats are for individual sports. The only stat that means anything in Football is wins.

[Ray Finkle]

Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics.
Stats are for individual sports. The only stat that means anything in Football is wins.


Great point. I can take stats and project that Lenny Walls is the greatest 5 yard cover CB in league history....I am not lying just twisting the stats in a way to prove my hypothesis....

[eddie mac]

I'm not advocating it at all, but it certainly makes sense. He was on the field for maybe half the defensive snaps, maybe less than that. He's not gonna displace Ian Gold, so unless he gave any indication that he could become a more efficient SLB he could be on the block...

Someone also said that the drunken driving conviction(s) might have him in Shanny's doghouse too, which I find hard to believe because of the level of his talent. But, Shanny has showed that he doesn't deal with turds, because they're usually on the next bus outta town.

Would that be the same Mike Shanahan that gave Mike Anderson the starting running back slot after his slip to the bad side?

[WABronco]

Yeah...that'w why we need to trade our stud LB for TO...cause we don't want any more turds on this team...:rofl:

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Uhh

I'll admit, I took some stupid pills this morning.

disclaimer-that statement applies only to the idea of trading DJ for TO.

[WABronco]

Parcels said he should have been all pro at SLB - not sure why people think he had a bad year. He did his job - contained the run and shut down the TE. Just because his tackle total was down does not mean he had a bad year.

Ummmm.......

What was his justification for such a statement? DJ had a good game against Dallas, perhaps that's it.

But, there are some deficiencies in his game. He's a horrible blizter right now, and he has trouble taking on blockers (but which Denver LB doesn't).

Anyways, I'd love to see his game get on par with someone like Marcus Washington.

[OrangeShadow]

i like it for the most part, love the mike bell pick

[Ray Finkle]

Ummmm.......

What was his justification for such a statement? DJ had a good game against Dallas, perhaps that's it.

But, there are some deficiencies in his game. He's a horrible blizter right now, and he has trouble taking on blockers (but which Denver LB doesn't).

Anyways, I'd love to see his game get on par with someone like Marcus Washington.


That was before the game....

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Ummmm.......

What was his justification for such a statement? DJ had a good game against Dallas, perhaps that's it.

But, there are some deficiencies in his game. He's a horrible blizter right now, and he has trouble taking on blockers (but which Denver LB doesn't).

Anyways, I'd love to see his game get on par with someone like Marcus Washington.
Sorry WA, but DJ was not asked to blitz this year. SLB seldom do because they need to bear the brunt of the running game and cover the TE. I also don't see where you get the idea he cannot take on blockers. Except during the Washington game, TEs never had a good game against DJ. Gates and Gonzalez did nothing. The Broncs run defense was second in the league. Most run schemes go to the strong side - the side DJ played most of the time. Actually Parcels made the comment about DJ two weeks before Broncs played Dallas.

[WABronco]

Sorry WA, but DJ was not asked to blitz this year. SLB seldom do because they need to bear the brunt of the running game and cover the TE. I also don't see where you get the idea he cannot take on blockers.

I'm not hating on DJ at all, so there's no need for the "sorry," but do you not watch the same games I do?

DJ does his share of blitzing, I don't know where you come up with that assesment. He's too straight line as a blitzer and is easily picked up. When he comes off the edge, he has trouble getting around backs.

As far as taking on blockers, none of our LB's are good at it. But, given his size and athletic ability, he needs to step it up in that department if he's going to be playing as a prototypical SLB. Maybe he won't next year, I don't know. Maybe Coyer will keep him as the part time weakside linebacker that he is now, I dunno.

If someone can come up with another stat showing that he plays more than half the snaps as a strongside backer, then I'll shut my mouth. As far as I'm concerned, right now, he's basically a wave-linebacker who only plays on first and second down.

When a player has the athletic ability and pedigree that he does, he needs to be used more. It's that simple...

[WABronco]

That was before the game....

Still, it's too bad he didn't explain himself because I'd love to know why he thinks so.

[longtimer]

Because he may be better suited to play the strong side than DJ.

There's the possibility that we trade DJ for TO. There have been some rumors saying such anyways...

That's actually a very solid draft IMO. We get top of the line players with our first three picks, some solid sleepers in Jennings and Mike Bell. Maybe change that Carpenter pick to Lawson and the Lowry pick to Roman Harper.


I would rather trade gold for TO and move DJ back to weak side.

[WABronco]

I would rather trade gold for TO and move DJ back to weak side.

So would I.

I love Ian, but unless DJ can start fulltime on the strongside, that's got to be one of the stupidest FA signings in team history. Ian is a very valuable part of this defense, but when you've already got DJ Williams...

[SoCalBronco]

I would rather trade gold for TO and move DJ back to weak side.

I would trade Gold for a bag of funyuns and I hate funyuns. ;D

[WABronco]

I would trade Gold for a bag of funyuns and I hate funyuns. ;D

SoCal, you've said many times that DJ is being underutilized, correct?

Would you agree with my assesments? I'm basically echoing what I think you've said before...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

[QUOTE=WABronco]
DJ does his share of blitzing, I don't know where you come up with that assesment. He's too straight line as a blitzer and is easily picked up. When he comes off the edge, he has trouble getting around backs.

QUOTE]

I watched every game at least twice and I can count the number of games he blitzed more than three times on mt thumbs. Almost all of of the Broncs blitzes come from the weak side.

His responsibilty on the strong side is to contain the run and cover the TE on the short routes.

[WABronco]

[QUOTE=WABronco]
DJ does his share of blitzing, I don't know where you come up with that assesment. He's too straight line as a blitzer and is easily picked up. When he comes off the edge, he has trouble getting around backs.

QUOTE]

I watched every game at least twice and I can count the number of games he blitzed more than three times on mt thumbs. Almost all of of the Broncs blitzes come from the weak side.

His responsibilty on the strong side is to contain the run and cover the TE on the short routes.

He plays on the weakside too. Coyer said that he would use both DJ and Ian in that role.

[Ray Finkle]

Still, it's too bad he didn't explain himself because I'd love to know why he thinks so.


if he had to explain to you, I am sure you still wouldn't get it....I have pointed the reasons to you already....

[WABronco]

if he had to explain to you, I am sure you still wouldn't get it....I have pointed the reasons to you already....

Actually, all you've done is give me a link to a post that's not exactly handing out ringing endorsements to DJ anyways.

The only thing that was disproved was my statements of DJ's lack of playing time. He still isn't the starter that he was projected to be (granted, it's his second year and he's changed positions, and Coyer's scheme gets him on the field more as a weakside backer it seems like). Maybe you should read the whole thing.

[27atwater]

possibly the dumbest, least informed mock I have seen...ever.

[WABronco]

possibly the dumbest, least informed mock I have seen...ever.

Yes, there are some questionable picks.

[broncohaven]

I don't like any of it. They have us passing up Stovall in the third to take Kyle WIlliams? And they have us taking a 330 pound OG when Mangold and Eslinger are there, and custom made for Denver's OL.

If the Draft went like that eveywhere else I would go:
1a-Broderick Bunkley DT
1b-Manny Lawson DE
2-Daniel Bullocks S
3-Mark Setterstrom OG
4a-Brodie Croyle QB
4b-Frostee Rucker DE
5-Mike Bell RB - okay one can stay
6-Brandon Marshall WR

I would take Stovall with our 3rd round comp pick.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

possibly the dumbest, least informed mock I have seen...ever.

It's a computer mock, and yes, they usually are terrible

[WABronco]

I don't like any of it. They have us passing up Stovall in the third to take Kyle WIlliams? And they have us taking a 330 pound OG when Mangold and Eslinger are there, and custom made for Denver's OL.

If the Draft went like that eveywhere else I would go:
1a-Broderick Bunkley DT
1b-Manny Lawson DE
2-Daniel Bullocks S
3-Mark Setterstrom OG
4a-Brodie Croyle QB
4b-Frostee Rucker DE
5-Mike Bell RB - okay one can stay
6-Brandon Marshall WR

I would take Stovall with our 3rd round comp pick.

Charles Spencer would be an awesome fit in Denver. He has great feet from what I've read, and he's killer in run blocking.

Your draft looks pretty good, but I doubt Stovall would fall that far. I bet he goes to KC in round two.

[Ray Finkle]

Actually, all you've done is give me a link to a post that's not exactly handing out ringing endorsements to DJ anyways.

The only thing that was disproved was my statements of DJ's lack of playing time. He still isn't the starter that he was projected to be (granted, it's his second year and he's changed positions, and Coyer's scheme gets him on the field more as a weakside backer it seems like). Maybe you should read the whole thing.


did you read it? I have read the whole thread- you will see posts of mine through out it. This discussion is over, you have a negative view to DJ and how the Broncos use him so anything that counters that, you don't want to hear.

[broncohaven]

Charles Spencer would be an awesome fit in Denver. He has great feet from what I've read, and he's killer in run blocking.

Your draft looks pretty good, but I doubt Stovall would fall that far. I bet he goes to KC in round two.
Spencer wouldn't be a better fit than Setterstrom, Eslinger, or Mangold. And Stovall was available in this mock, which is all I based this on.

[Broncoman13]

I'm not advocating it at all, but it certainly makes sense. He was on the field for maybe half the defensive snaps, maybe less than that. He's not gonna displace Ian Gold, so unless he gave any indication that he could become a more efficient SLB he could be on the block...

Someone also said that the drunken driving conviction(s) might have him in Shanny's doghouse too, which I find hard to believe because of the level of his talent. But, Shanny has showed that he doesn't deal with turds, because they're usually on the next bus outta town.


So let me get this straight, Shanny has shown that he doesn't deal with turds and they're usually on the "next bus outta town", yet he's willing to trade one "turd" for another? DJ Williams hasn't been a distraction. I agree that he's probably a little upset that Denver hasn't played him more, but he's far from a turd IMO. I'm all for TO in Denver, always have been... but he's 10x the turd of a DJ Williams!

[WABronco]

So let me get this straight, Shanny has shown that he doesn't deal with turds and they're usually on the "next bus outta town", yet he's willing to trade one "turd" for another? DJ Williams hasn't been a distraction. I agree that he's probably a little upset that Denver hasn't played him more, but he's far from a turd IMO. I'm all for TO in Denver, always have been... but he's 10x the turd of a DJ Williams!

Exactly...

Yes, that's a load of bull, I know. DJ isn't really a turd, I was just rehashing someone elses idea. No biggy...

I probably should've left TO out of it.

[WABronco]

did you read it? I have read the whole thread- you will see posts of mine through out it. This discussion is over, you have a negative view to DJ and how the Broncos use him so anything that counters that, you don't want to hear.

Oh darn....

Me and my negative views, jeeberz. My sole point is that DJ is a great linebacker. Whether it's him having difficulty adjusting or the scheme, it needs to improve because outside of a few tfl's, he made zero impact this year. And no, I'm not referring to stats, I'm talking impact plays. When he did finally play a full game (for the most part) against SD, he batted down two balls and almost had a pick to go along with his share of tackles. That was a good game for him IMO, so hopefully it was a bit of an indicator.

You haven't really provided anything to counter my posts anyways, and it doesn't really matter.

[Ray Finkle]

Oh darn....

Me and my negative views, jeeberz. My sole point is that DJ is a great linebacker. Whether it's him having difficulty adjusting or the scheme, it needs to improve because outside of a few tfl's, he made zero impact this year. And no, I'm not referring to stats, I'm talking impact plays. When he did finally play a full game (for the most part) against SD, he batted down two balls and almost had a pick to go along with his share of tackles. That was a good game for him IMO, so hopefully it was a bit of an indicator.

You haven't really provided anything to counter my posts anyways, and it doesn't really matter.


He shut down the TE in almost every game....but that doesn't show up in stats so you don't get it...

[WABronco]

He shut down the TE in almost every game....but that doesn't show up in stats so you don't get it...

How many times did he cover the tightend?

Enough with the "it's not in the stats" argument. It's w-e-a-k.

[Ray Finkle]

How many times did he cover the tightend?

Enough with the "it's not in the stats" argument. It's w-e-a-k.

The SLB covers over the TE on most plays...I don't know what else to tell you then watch some games and look exactly at DJ....when mutliple WR/TE's were brought in on third down, Brandon came on because of he is better covering WR but also took over the SLB duties..

Your statement above about stats proves you have no idea about what I am talking about. Stats only show a fraction of the game. If you judge everything by stats, then several players that make impacts, will seem to have less of an impact, for example:

Most DT in the league, do not put up any stats of quality as individuals but they are measured in team play. Same as most OG an C's....same can be said for the SLB. Special teams players are also in the same boat, except for the kicker....They generally don't get mentioned unless their is a huge play either way. By sticking the runs to his side and shutting down the TE, DJ performed at a high level. Because his stats dropped due to the higher responsibility, people think he was misused. This is what Parcells was speaking about.

Now, Would DJ have outperfomed Gold at the WLB spot if they roles were flipped? Tough to say but Gold makes plays from the WLB spot that DJ has failed to show at this point in time. DJ was also taking over a new position so next year you will see a progression of what he can do. When you have Wilson in the middle and Gold at one side making plays, someone is going to get less press. That happens to be DJ in this case. DJ will times to shine and he needs step up when they do.



PS, I work with stats so I think have a pretty good idea of what and how to interpet them...

[WABronco]

The SLB covers over the TE on most plays...I don't know what else to tell you then watch some games and look exactly at DJ....when mutliple WR/TE's were brought in on third down, Brandon came on because of he is better covering WR but also took over the SLB duties..

Your statement above about stats proves you have no idea about what I am talking about. Stats only show a fraction of the game. If you judge everything by stats, then several players that make impacts, will seem to have less of an impact, for example:

Most DT in the league, do not put up any stats of quality as individuals but they are measured in team play. Same as most OG an C's....same can be said for the SLB. Special teams players are also in the same boat, except for the kicker....They generally don't get mentioned unless their is a huge play either way. By sticking the runs to his side and shutting down the TE, DJ performed at a high level. Because his stats dropped due to the higher responsibility, people think he was misused. This is what Parcells was speaking about.

Now, Would DJ have outperfomed Gold at the WLB spot if they roles were flipped? Tough to say but Gold makes plays from the WLB spot that DJ has failed to show at this point in time. DJ was also taking over a new position so next year you will see a progression of what he can do. When you have Wilson in the middle and Gold at one side making plays, someone is going to get less press. That happens to be DJ in this case. DJ will times to shine and he needs step up when they do.



PS, I work with stats so I think have a pretty good idea of what and how to interpet them...

All right, that's great. I know all that stuff. I know that it's not all about stats, ok?

You're entitled to your opinion. I'm not gonna argue with you.

Like I've said before, I don't HATE DJ Williams. I wan't to see him progress like anyother fan...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

How many times did he cover the tightend?

Enough with the "it's not in the stats" argument. It's w-e-a-k.

Football is the ultimate team game. Individual stats mean nothing. The only stat that means anything is the one in the W column.

If you want a game where stats mean something, try pole vaulting or some other track event.

[Mediator12]

All right, that's great. I know all that stuff. I know that it's not all about stats, ok?

You're entitled to your opinion. I'm not gonna argue with you.

Like I've said before, I don't HATE DJ Williams. I wan't to see him progress like anyother fan...


The essence of this whole argument is when is DJ going to make plays when he is on the field. So far, he has taken around 1550 snaps in two seasons. 1 INT, 2 sacks, 12 tackles for loss, 3 FF's, and No fumble recoveries. Over 900 were at WLB.

DJ has a play recognition problem and has been less than average in reading his keys in the nickel and the base. His whole argument is based on Potential just like it was at Miami where he also had few big plays.

Gold has made plays in big games from SLB and WLB. DJ has not. If DJ can get his keys down and be aggressive, he can excel at either OLB spot. No one wants him to succeed more than me, alright Socal does, but right now he needs to play better when he is on the field and Practice. People forget PT is based about being able to execute the gameplan during the week.

[Ray Finkle]

The essence of this whole argument is when is DJ going to make plays when he is on the field. So far, he has taken around 1550 snaps in two seasons. 1 INT, 2 sacks, 12 tackles for loss, 3 FF's, and No fumble recoveries. Over 900 were at WLB.

DJ has a play recognition problem and has been less than average in reading his keys in the nickel and the base. His whole argument is based on Potential just like it was at Miami where he also had few big plays.

Gold has made plays in big games from SLB and WLB. DJ has not. If DJ can get his keys down and be aggressive, he can excel at either OLB spot. No one wants him to succeed more than me, alright Socal does, but right now he needs to play better when he is on the field and Practice. People forget PT is based about being able to execute the gameplan during the week.


very well written...thanks!

[WABronco]

The essence of this whole argument is when is DJ going to make plays when he is on the field. So far, he has taken around 1550 snaps in two seasons. 1 INT, 2 sacks, 12 tackles for loss, 3 FF's, and No fumble recoveries. Over 900 were at WLB.

DJ has a play recognition problem and has been less than average in reading his keys in the nickel and the base. His whole argument is based on Potential just like it was at Miami where he also had few big plays.

Gold has made plays in big games from SLB and WLB. DJ has not. If DJ can get his keys down and be aggressive, he can excel at either OLB spot. No one wants him to succeed more than me, alright Socal does, but right now he needs to play better when he is on the field and Practice. People forget PT is based about being able to execute the gameplan during the week.

Thank you....

[broncohaven]

How many plays did Gold make as a rookie?

[WABronco]

How many plays did Gold make as a rookie?

I'm pretty sure that Ian was a special teamer/backup type for the first two years.

Not a good comparison if that's what you're trying to do...

[Ray Finkle]

I'm pretty sure that Ian was a special teamer/backup type for the first two years.

Not a good comparison if that's what you're trying to do...


take a look at his stats....even in that mode, he made plays...remember he made Romo expendable...

[Hercules Rockefeller]

How many plays did Gold make as a rookie?

I remember him blocking a punt against Oakland, can't remember if he picked it up for a TD or it rolled out of the back of the endzone.

[WABronco]

I remember him blocking a punt against Oakland, can't remember if he picked it up for a TD or it rolled out of the back of the endzone.

He picked it up for a TD. I was like, "wow, his name is Gold? Sweet..."

[WABronco]

take a look at his stats....even in that mode, he made plays...remember he made Romo expendable...

He basically had DJ's stats with less tackles. A couple sacks and a couple FF's.

[Ray Finkle]

He basically had DJ's stats with less tackles. A couple sacks and a couple FF's.

exactly....

[broncohaven]

I remember him blocking a punt against Oakland, can't remember if he picked it up for a TD or it rolled out of the back of the endzone.
Does that play outweigh DJ leading the team in tackles as a rookie? DJ is a second year player who has been asked to learn a new position in his second season. Of course it's going to take a little adjusting.

[Ray Finkle]

Does that play outweigh DJ leading the team in tackles as a rookie? DJ is a second year player who has been asked to learn a new position in his second season. Of course it's going to take a little adjusting.


Gold didn't start until his third year...