Who's a Better Quarterback?

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All this TO talk has generated some very entertaining comments regarding the Prince of Darkness and his once and future quarterbacks.

Vote.

[ROYC75]

All this TO talk has generated some very entertaining comments regarding the Prince of Darkness and his once and future quarterbacks.

Vote.

WOW, this a loaded question ! Kinda like having a gun to the head.


While both are overated, I would take Donavan.

[2KBack]

I really think they are similar players, both have some accuracy issues, and both needs to use their running ability a bit more. The difference is decision making, I think Mcnabb is less likely to throw a back breaking int, though Plummer is making great headway with that.
I'm giving to Mcnabb based on arm strength, and accomplishment so far.

[bendog]

Jake at least still plays like he's black, so I'll go with Donovan.

[Master___Pain]

What no Van Pelt option?::)

[freak6]

Mcnabb is WAY better than Jake.

[~Crash~]

Donovan McNabb is better but that says nothing .

[Rock Chalk]

I chose the Bronco.

Im a homer.

[Jason in LA]

I was very pleased with Plummer this year, but there is no comparison. McNabb is much better. The homer in me won't allow me to pick Plummer.

[RhymesayersDU]

If Jake had a soup commercial, maybe we'd be able to compare the two.

"New England huh? Well I like it anyway!"

Seriously though, Donovan is the man.

[Garcia Bronco]

Interesting...you feel like it should be a no-brainer...but it's actually a hard choice. I don't know...I'd feel good with either one.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Pretty tough choice. You have one that's never won a Conference Championship and another, who after finally getting to the SB, quit with 5 minutes to go.

[toad]

McNabb....if nothing else for not having a history of bad decision making.

[Old Dude]

McNabb>Plummer>Garcia

[TheDave]

I honestely can't think of a scenario in which i would choose Plummer over Mcnabb. Let me go paint my face orange and see if that helps...

[bendog]

Jake's a lot better than Donovan when Donovan has a sports hernia.

[orange 4 life]

loaded question for sure, but one that makes sense in light of the T.O. talk.

to me, its pretty simple.

it didnt work out with mcnabb, and unless youre in a bit of denial, you'd have to acknowledge that mcnabb is one of the few qb's in the league that is better than plummer.

that said, that does NOT mean T.O. wont work out here.

while mcnabb is the more talented player, plummer is the guy that is MUCH more thought of as "one of the guys."
plummer is more a strong personality, and plummer is a guy the team rallies around.

while mcnabb may be the more talented player, its plummer that i believe can be the kind of qb T.O. needs to play with in order for him to find success.

jake

[TheDave]

I honestely can't think of a scenario in which i would choose Plummer over Mcnabb. Let me go paint my face orange and see if that helps...

nope that didn't help...still go with mcnabb

[orange 4 life]

nope that didn't help...still go with mcnabb

....but NOT in the case of which player would be a better fit for owens.

really, THATS what this argument SHOULD be about.
who the better player is ISNT the issue at hand.

the issue at hand is whether or not plummer is a better fit SPECIFICALLY for terrell owens, and the answer to that question my friends, is yes.

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....but NOT in the case of which player would be a better fit for owens.

really, THATS what this argument SHOULD be about.
who the better player is ISNT the issue at hand.

the issue at hand is whether or not plummer is a better fit SPECIFICALLY for terrell owens, and the answer to that question my friends, is yes.
Because we should tailor our TEAM specifically to accomodate one player.

[freak6]

And how is that answer a yes? Jake is one of the most laidback players in the NFL. How he and TO may or not get along is as unpredictable as anything.

If TO comes in, he will have to change his ways and handle the business of being a professional football player the Bronco way. I think part of his contract should be that he has to join the O-line in not talking, at all.

[yavoon]

Because we should tailor our TEAM specifically to accomodate one player.

yah seriously its like the apologists feel no shame in blaming the other 52 for not being precisely what jake needs.

[azbroncfan]

McNabb>Plummer>Garcia

Look at stats with and without TO, mcnabb had one very good year without the rest were in line with what plummer has done, Garcia hasn't been crap without TO. I think its fair to say TO will elevate the QB play and open Offense up but it's the unknown is what you are gambling with and are the Broncos willing. I'm a gambling man so lets sign him.

[DBroncos4life]

I think McNabb is one of the most over-rated QBs in the game. His stats didnt ever wow me till he got Owens.

[DBroncos4life]

Look at stats with and without TO, mcnabb had one very good year without the rest were in line with what plummer has done, Garcia hasn't been crap without TO. I think its fair to say TO will elevate the QB play and open Offense up but it's the unknown is what you are gambling with and are the Broncos willing. I'm a gambling man so lets sign him.
I agree. The two years before Owens, McNabb had 17 and 16 Td passes. Then enter Owens and he jumps to 31. He had a career 89.1 before TO then poof had a 104.7 season with TO. His longest pass with out TO was 70 yards, now its a 91 yarder against Bailey. He never topped 59 on his comp % enter Owens and he hits 64. His yards went up and so did his avg yard per pass.

If anything coaches can look at this and say, **** Owens makes QBs better, and this is coming from someone that doesn't want to sign Owens.

[crazyhorse]

....but NOT in the case of which player would be a better fit for owens.

really, THATS what this argument SHOULD be about.
who the better player is ISNT the issue at hand.

the issue at hand is whether or not plummer is a better fit SPECIFICALLY for terrell owens, and the answer to that question my friends, is yes.


Wow!

[BroncoInferno]

I think McNabb is one of the most over-rated QBs in the game. His stats didnt ever wow me till he got Owens.

That's a big reason why I'd like to see him here (prohibitively). McNabb's numbers shot up big time when TO came on board. He could do the same for Jake and our passing game.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

After watching McNabb lose the Redskins and Cowboys games with late, 4th qtr INTs, the Eagles need to "dumb" him down like we did with Jake.

[bendog]

Maybe, but the iggles run more of their offense through him than Den did with Elway in the pre-TD years. I wonder what Donovan could do with Den or Pitt's teams.

[ludo21]

Jake by far.

Ill take his heart and competive nature over Mcchoke

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I agree. The two years before Owens, McNabb had 17 and 16 Td passes. Then enter Owens and he jumps to 31. He had a career 89.1 before TO then poof had a 104.7 season with TO. His longest pass with out TO was 70 yards, now its a 91 yarder against Bailey. He never topped 59 on his comp % enter Owens and he hits 64. His yards went up and so did his avg yard per pass.

If anything coaches can look at this and say, **** Owens makes QBs better, and this is coming from someone that doesn't want to sign Owens.
Look at the utter garbage he had at reciever. Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell and James Thrash? Take the best qualities from each one and you still don't have a complete wideout.

[bloodsunday]

I agree. The two years before Owens, McNabb had 17 and 16 Td passes. Then enter Owens and he jumps to 31. He had a career 89.1 before TO then poof had a 104.7 season with TO. His longest pass with out TO was 70 yards, now its a 91 yarder against Bailey. He never topped 59 on his comp % enter Owens and he hits 64. His yards went up and so did his avg yard per pass.

If anything coaches can look at this and say, **** Owens makes QBs better, and this is coming from someone that doesn't want to sign Owens.
So where are the people who claimed that T.O. didn't help Philly get to the SuperBowl? This makes them look kinda silly ^5

[bendog]

TO did. Aside from McNabb he's really the only threat on that team. Though when they had Burkhalter (or whatever) and the runner who's hurt and with Pitts now they did have some more threats. An incredibly cheap and second rate front office and owner.

[broncosteven]

I am going with Jake just based on the size of their contracts Jake has as many wins as Mcnabb while in Denver for much less cost.

[HEAV]

I voted Jake. I'm bias though..............

[bendog]

I am going with Jake just based on the size of their contracts Jake has as many wins as Mcnabb while in Denver for much less cost.
Yeah but put Jake in Philly, and he'd redeaux his Ariz years.

[errand]

Because we should tailor our TEAM specifically to accomodate one player.

Odd you should say this when tons of Bronco fans bitched when Dan Reeves allegedly didn't tailor the Broncos to accomodate the NFL's best QB ever......

[bendog]

You lost me errand. Elway was good enough to succeed even in a system not tailored to him. (though Danno did swith stuff up) Jake isn't good enough to do that with. McNabb? Well, he's got no running attack or WR's beyond TO.

[errand]

You lost me errand. Elway was good enough to succeed even in a system not tailored to him. (though Danno did swith stuff up) Jake isn't good enough to do that with. McNabb? Well, he's got no running attack or WR's beyond TO.

The point is, alot of fans have complained over the years that Dan never surrounded John with talent, ergo wasting the talents of the NFL's greatest QB all-time. Only upon hiring Mike did the Broncos allegedly surround John with the right pieces to take us to the next level...

So I find it odd that some on here feel a less talented QB (Jake)shouldn't have a team tailored around him to help him take us to the next level.

[yavoon]

TO did. Aside from McNabb he's really the only threat on that team. Though when they had Burkhalter (or whatever) and the runner who's hurt and with Pitts now they did have some more threats. An incredibly cheap and second rate front office and owner.

how could their FO possibly be second rate? they are cheap though!

and westbrook is a serious playmaking threat.

[yavoon]

The point is, alot of fans have complained over the years that Dan never surrounded John with talent, ergo wasting the talents of the NFL's greatest QB all-time. Only upon hiring Mike did the Broncos allegedly surround John with the right pieces to take us to the next level...

So I find it odd that some on here feel a less talented QB (Jake)shouldn't have a team tailored around him to help him take us to the next level.

huge difference between tailoring a team around someone and having a talent defficiency. I find them to be in some degree mutually exclusive, the harder u need to tailor the less likely it is u can assemble impressive overall talent.

[baja]

Easy to see what's comming here Slap, Of course McNabb is better today and has much more up side than Jake. If TO does come here I believe Shanny will not put us in a bad cap position which was Philly's real problem with Owens so if TO pulls his shiit with Jake or anyone on the team he will be history and he will know that going in because of the contract he signs or he won't be here at all. At least tht's the way i'm hoping Shanny will set it up.

Good thread.

[CBF1]

McNabb hands down.

[Clockwork Orange]

McNabb. Period.

[BIM]

This can't be a serious question. This must be to find out who all the homers are. Plummer doesn't hold a candle to McNabb.

[freak6]

Longtime no talk, whats up BIM?? How's the fam?

[BIM]

Longtime no talk, whats up BIM?? How's the fam?

It's all good here. And you? Still into the whole Star Wars thing?