The State of Union The Vote

[elsid13]

Ok, the State of Union just occurred, how did you think the president do? Was there anything that he said that stuck with you or do he miss talking about the thing that concern you? And how did you think the new VA Governor did?


It a public poll, because it for fun only

[Garcia Bronco]

I missed the SOTU...but I did catch the response.Tim Kaine talked about the federal government needs to provide more service...the current administration is putting to much on the States. He basically said at one point we're not throwing enough money at education. He called out cronism like he's never given a buddy a job. I don't know ...he was kinda all over the place.

[Hogan11]

Nothing new on either side.

Kaine did a better job at tellin' it like it is , but offered no real alternative other than a catch phrase for the midterm elections ("There's a better way").

I'm especially proud to be a Libertarian tonight after seeing this circus of the complacent.

[W*GS]

I'll read the transcript, maybe. I was bummed "Scrubs" got, errr, scrubbed.

[24champ]

I missed the SOTU...but I did catch the response.Tim Kaine talked about the federal government needs to provide more service...the current administration is putting to much on the States. He basically said at one point we're not throwing enough money at education. He called out cronism like he's never given a buddy a job. I don't know ...he was kinda all over the place.
yeah but it was better than last years with dingy harry rambling.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[defenseman]

The dems responded, however, said nothing. Therefore, there really wasn't a reponse other than, we don't like what he is doing, but alas, they offer no answers. The 2008 election should be pretty much a repub sweep maintaining the presidency republican. I REALLY want to hear a plan out of the democrats, AND I want to see a leader step out of the pack in that group. We need fresh ideas, however, they have got to be realistic and can't TAX THE S#%T OUT OF THE AVERAGE AMERICAN. I'm predicting , that will be part of the democratic platform, whether advertised or not, and we simply don't need that right now. We need a solid fiscally responsible budget which gets the most bang for the buck as far as tax dollars are concerned..dman

[Spider]

i didnt watch either side .........Reps or Dems .......Same ole Shít different speakers .....

[Spider]

The dems responded, however, said nothing. Therefore, there really wasn't a reponse other than, we don't like what he is doing, but alas, they offer no answers. The 2008 election should be pretty much a repub sweep maintaining the presidency republican. I REALLY want to hear a plan out of the democrats, AND I want to see a leader step out of the pack in that group. We need fresh ideas, however, they have got to be realistic and can't TAX THE S#%T OUT OF THE AVERAGE AMERICAN. I'm predicting , that will be part of the democratic platform, whether advertised or not, and we simply don't need that right now. We need a solid fiscally responsible budget which gets the most bang for the buck as far as tax dollars are concerned..dman
Right now the Reps are full of Shít and the Dems are weak , the independents are still drunk ...... Par for the course I guess ;D

[Spider]

Dems should have had Barak Obama do the speaking ........

[Rascal]

I liked this a lot:

Keeping America competitive requires affordable energy. Here we have a serious problem: America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable parts of the world.

The best way to break this addiction is through technology. Since 2001, we have spent nearly $10 billion to develop cleaner, cheaper, more reliable alternative energy sources -- and we are on the threshold of incredible advances.

Keeping America competitive requires affordable energy. Here we have a serious problem: America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable parts of the world.
-- President BushSo tonight, I announce the Advanced Energy Initiative -- a 22 percent increase in clean-energy research at the Department of Energy, to push for breakthroughs in two vital areas.

To change how we power our homes and offices, we will invest more in zero-emission coal-fired plants; revolutionary solar and wind technologies; and clean, safe nuclear energy.

We must also change how we power our automobiles. We will increase our research in better batteries for hybrid and electric cars, and in pollution-free cars that run on hydrogen.

We will also fund additional research in cutting-edge methods of producing ethanol, not just from corn but from wood chips, stalks, or switch grass. Our goal is to make this new kind of ethanol practical and competitive within six years.

Breakthroughs on this and other new technologies will help us reach another great goal: to replace more than 75 percent of our oil imports from the Middle East by 2025.

By applying the talent and technology of America, this country can dramatically improve our environment, move beyond a petroleum-based economy and make our dependence on Middle Eastern oil a thing of the past.



I also liked the part about medical liability reform, creating a commision to examine the full impact of baby boom retirement on SS, Medicare, and Medicaid. He didn't get his solution passed but he is still trying and I admire that. I also liked the part about addressing public responsibility and corruption of his fellow politicians, as well as prohibiting human cloning.

[Garcia Bronco]

Dems should have had Barak Obama do the speaking ........


"My Baby Daddy"?....he did speak on NBC after the gig with Frisk and he sucked again.`

[Hotrod]

The only thing I liked was the little mini-zing Bush threw out at the dems. Something to the effect that "second guessing is not a policy" Ha!

I also laughed at the retard billary and here junior high school girl looks. Her facial expressions were laughable at best.

[Spider]

"My Baby Daddy"?....he did speak on NBC after the gig with Frisk and he sucked again.`
Speaking of Sucking , How ya been ? ;D

[Rascal]

The only thing I liked was the little mini-zing Bush threw out at the dems. Something to the effect that "second guessing is not a policy" Ha!

I also laughed at the retard billary and here junior high school girl looks. Her facial expressions were laughable at best.

I thought that was funny as well.

[Garcia Bronco]

The only thing I liked was the little mini-zing Bush threw out at the dems. Something to the effect that "second guessing is not a policy" Ha!

I also laughed at the retard billary and here junior high school girl looks. Her facial expressions were laughable at best.


I thought it was funny also ...another blurb I thought was funny is when he challeged Democrats to reform SS>

[Hotrod]

It was also amusing how pleased the dems were with themselves for doing nothing to solve the SS problem last year. They actually gave themselves a pat on the back for their inaction. Ha!

[GSRelyea]

The only thing I liked was the little mini-zing Bush threw out at the dems. Something to the effect that "second guessing is not a policy" Ha!

I also laughed at the retard billary and here junior high school girl looks. Her facial expressions were laughable at best.

I hope the Dems throw Clinton up for election in 2008, would love to see her go down in flames.

[TheDave]

I am having a seriously difficult time trying to figure out what was said that made some people check...Did an outstanding job- Great Vision.

I will give points for the energy proposal (even though bushii warning me about oil dependency is like Jenna Jameson telling me about abstinence) But i completely agree with him on his statement and hope it is put into action in some way.

The "we will train 70,000 math and science teachers" was nice, but until i see what their plan is that statement has very little meaning.

Health Insurance: Nothing new here. Medical liability reform that arguably would have little to no effect on the cost of our insurance...and health savings accounts (that part had to be written by the banks). I just didn't hear any vision for the true type of reform that part of the system needs.

Social Security: not sure what he said about it. Any time a politician says they will form a committee my brain automatically shuts off.

well that about sums up the informative part of the speach... the other 40 minutes was Iraq, 911, WMD's, Terrorists, Stay the course, Resolve, 911, Dictator, Democracy, 911...

So when i look at the speech as a whole i just don't understand how people saw this as "Great vision"

[Hogan11]

I liked this a lot:

Keeping America competitive requires affordable energy. Here we have a serious problem: America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable parts of the world.

The best way to break this addiction is through technology. Since 2001, we have spent nearly $10 billion to develop cleaner, cheaper, more reliable alternative energy sources -- and we are on the threshold of incredible advances.

Keeping America competitive requires affordable energy. Here we have a serious problem: America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable parts of the world.
-- President BushSo tonight, I announce the Advanced Energy Initiative -- a 22 percent increase in clean-energy research at the Department of Energy, to push for breakthroughs in two vital areas.

To change how we power our homes and offices, we will invest more in zero-emission coal-fired plants; revolutionary solar and wind technologies; and clean, safe nuclear energy.

We must also change how we power our automobiles. We will increase our research in better batteries for hybrid and electric cars, and in pollution-free cars that run on hydrogen.

We will also fund additional research in cutting-edge methods of producing ethanol, not just from corn but from wood chips, stalks, or switch grass. Our goal is to make this new kind of ethanol practical and competitive within six years.

Breakthroughs on this and other new technologies will help us reach another great goal: to replace more than 75 percent of our oil imports from the Middle East by 2025.

By applying the talent and technology of America, this country can dramatically improve our environment, move beyond a petroleum-based economy and make our dependence on Middle Eastern oil a thing of the past.



I also liked the part about medical liability reform, creating a commision to examine the full impact of baby boom retirement on SS, Medicare, and Medicaid. He didn't get his solution passed but he is still trying and I admire that. I also liked the part about addressing public responsibility and corruption of his fellow politicians, as well as prohibiting human cloning.

Empty words.....all of it. Nothing will come about from any of this (with the exception of the cloning issue) and everyone knows it.

It's the same old story...same old song and dance.

[Mile High Shack]

I was working out in the gym, so I didn't hear it

I assumed it would be more of the same

[Old Dude]

I was working out in the gym, so I didn't hear it

I assumed it would be more of the same

Ditto.

Except for the gym part.

I was watching Flintstones re-runs on Boomerang.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

He did a great job!!! If you missed it here's a video link...
http://tinyurl.com/9jdms

[TailgateNut]

I was debating between watching "IT" or turning on the Comedy channel. I decided my time would be better spent watching something funny rather than someone who's a JOKE!

[defenseman]

Empty words.....all of it. Nothing will come about from any of this (with the exception of the cloning issue) and everyone knows it.

Well, you can say the same about the Dems. What's worse from my point of view is they have no candidate to offer worth two cents, who, has a plan to solve the issues realistically, AND can't solve anything without raising taxes . So, I guess we're all screwed, is that your point?....dman

[Spider]

Problem is Bush has been full of Shít from lying about knowing Ken Lay , on up to i dont own any stock in a lumber company ........ Cant believe 1 damn thing the bastard says .............

[Hogan11]

Empty words.....all of it. Nothing will come about from any of this (with the exception of the cloning issue) and everyone knows it.

Well, you can say the same about the Dems. What's worse from my point of view is they have no candidate to offer worth two cents, who, has a plan to solve the issues realistically, AND can't solve anything without raising taxes . So, I guess we're all screwed, is that your point?....dman

I did say the same about the Dems. If you care to reread my posts, I've said time and again all the Dems did was point out the obivous problems and then offered up nothing more than a catchphrase for the midterm elections ("There's a better way"). No solutions, just a slogan....nice ::)

My point is W isn't worth two cents. He said absolutely nothing of realistic value and nobody the Dems put forth did either. Screwed? well, we've been screwed for years under this guy....and after seeing the continued ineptitude of the Dems, being screwed is looking more and more like it's going to be the way of the west.

None of those lofty plans W put forth will come about....and everyone knows it....it was all a total waste of time.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Right now the Reps are full of Shít and the Dems are weak , the independents are still drunk ...... Par for the course I guess ;D

Sad, but true.

I'm just not seeing anybody who deserves my support right now.

Dems should have had Barak Obama do the speaking ........

Obama is turning out to be just another DLC sellout. I wouldn't trust him any farther than I can throw him.

[24champ]

Sad, but true.

I'm just not seeing anybody who deserves my support right now.



Obama is turning out to be just another DLC sellout. I wouldn't trust him any farther than I can throw him.
Yeah I actually agree with LABF. I dont see a candidate worth my vote on either side.

[W*GS]

Sad, but true.

I'm just not seeing anybody who deserves my support right now.

Yeah, too bad for you Marx and Stalin are dead.

Obama is turning out to be just another DLC sellout. I wouldn't trust him any farther than I can throw him.

So, I take it your once-upon-a-time claim to being a "Clinton Democrat" is now dead and buried, given the comment above?

Why do you continue to worship Bill Clinton while you spit on his legacy in the Democratic Party? You're one confused person!

[defenseman]

Kinda scary isn't it guys? Hmmm....I'm wondering, if there ever were a time for a "third" party candidate to jump in the fray,this is it...dman

[Mile High Shack]

Kinda scary isn't it guys? Hmmm....I'm wondering, if there ever were a time for a "third" party candidate to jump in the fray,this is it...dman

it is

but the dems and repubs would NEVER allow it, they like their power to much to actually let regular people take part in the government

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Kinda scary isn't it guys? Hmmm....I'm wondering, if there ever were a time for a "third" party candidate to jump in the fray,this is it...dman

Where's Ross Perot when you need him? ;)

[Hotrod]

Yeah I actually agree with LABF..

Please dont make a habit of it ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

it is

but the dems and repubs would NEVER allow it, they like their power to much to actually let regular people take part in the government


Yeah.

Unfortunately, if a third-party candidate were to have a snowball's chance in hell, he'd have to be independently wealthy and have a sh*tload of $$ to spend on a campaign.

[Mile High Shack]

Yeah.

Unfortunately, if a third-party candidate were to have a snowball's chance in hell, he'd have to be independently wealthy and have a sh*tload of $$ to spend on a campaign.

and not be a crazy mofo like Ross Perot

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Anyone who runs on securing our borders has a great chance of getting elected! That's why Richardson may be the guy.

[24champ]

Yeah.

Unfortunately, if a third-party candidate were to have a snowball's chance in hell, he'd have to be independently wealthy and have a sh*tload of $$ to spend on a campaign.
I would vote for Pat Bowlen, he sure knows how to run things.;D

[elsid13]

Thanks for everyone that voted. Traditional the president gets a short term boost from his state of union address. When I set up the poll I expected most of the responses to be in the great job area. The fact that it wasn't from our small sampling poll means that President really didn't hit the mark with most Americans concerns (their jobs/health, national security and border protection). Usually I pretty into major speeches from both parties, but last night I spent more time watching Frontline Europe Battle on Terror then the speech. Thanks again.

[24champ]

Kinda scary isn't it guys? Hmmm....I'm wondering, if there ever were a time for a "third" party candidate to jump in the fray,this is it...dman
For the love of god could someone please tell Nader not to run!

[24champ]

Anyone who runs on securing our borders has a great chance of getting elected! That's why Richardson may be the guy.
Yeah him or Lieberman, seriously the border security is a joke. How can you be in a war and not secure your borders?

[Hotrod]

Thanks for everyone that voted. Traditional the president gets a short term boost from his state of union address. When I set up the poll I expected most of the responses to be in the great job area. The fact that it wasn't from our small sampling poll means that President really didn't hit the mark with most Americans concerns (their jobs/health, national security and border protection). Usually I pretty into major speeches from both parties, but last night I spent more time watching Frontline Europe Battle on Terror then the speech. Thanks again.

So basically were just little white mice in a cage to you ???

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yeah him or Lieberman, seriously the border security is a joke. How can you be in a war and not secure your borders?

Yeah - it's ridiculous.

If a bunch of al Qaeda members wanted to enter the country, all they'd have to do is put on some cholo clothes and cross the Mexican border like the rest of 'em. :pity:

[elsid13]

So basically were just little white mice in a cage to you ???

Basically yes, but I thought it would be good topic. Don't you wish that you nicer to those PETA folks now, my little white fuzzy friend???

[Hotrod]

Yeah - it's ridiculous.

If a bunch of al Qaeda members wanted to enter the country, all they'd have to do is put on some cholo clothes and cross the Mexican border like the rest of 'em. :pity:

I dont know Im getting abit cooler on the whole border boogie man thing. Its still easy enough to get here on a work/student visa and thats how the 9-11 vermin got here. If we seal the South border it would not exactly be hard for Alpuka to run their people thru Canada. Before I get slammed here Im not saying its not an important issue but maybe one thats not as terror related as the media makes it out to be. How the hell do you intend to secure the northern border??? Its really an impossible task to begin with. Im just gonna vote party lines whomever is running.....I kid I kid ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I dont know Im getting abit cooler on the whole border boogie man thing. Its still easy enough to get here on a work/student visa and thats how the 9-11 vermin got here. If we seal the South border it would not exactly be hard for Alpuka to run their people thru Canada. Before I get slammed here Im not saying its not an important issue but maybe one thats not as terror related as the media makes it out to be. How the hell do you intend to secure the northern border??? Its really an impossible task to begin with. Im just gonna vote party lines whomever is running.....I kid I kid ;D

The problem is: how do we know?

Of the millions of people who are entering illegally across the southern border, how do we know who is who?

[Hotrod]

The problem is: how do we know?

Of the millions of people who are entering illegally across the southern border, how do we know who is who?

Well as they come across just yell things like "Hey Pedro" and "Yo gonzales" then detain anyone who does not look up ;D

Ok that was wrong but kinda funny Ha!

[Hotrod]

The problem is: how do we know?

Of the millions of people who are entering illegally across the southern border, how do we know who is who?

Ok now seriously how in the heck to we put a blanket on our borders? Im all for it but have yet to hear one reasonable 'doable' plan.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Ok now seriously how in the heck to we put a blanket on our borders? Im all for it but have yet to hear one reasonable 'doable' plan.
Pink undies and baloney sandwiches in tent city for 2 years for first offense for invading our country is a start. Once the word gets out the flow of criminals would reduce to a trickle.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ok now seriously how in the heck to we put a blanket on our borders? Im all for it but have yet to hear one reasonable 'doable' plan.

Put the National Guard on it (wait - they're all bogged down in Iraq.)

Better yet, get Bush to use the NSA to spy on the people crossing the border.

[elsid13]

Pink undies and baloney sandwiches in tent city for 2 years for first offense for invading our country is a start. Once the word gets out the flow of criminals would reduce to a trickle.

That or make them live in KC for month.

[Spider]

and not be a crazy mofo like Ross Perot
I voted Perot in 92 ........... I was laughed out of a truck stop ........ Nader is a great consumer protector , but he has no business in politics ..........

[Blueflame]

The poll didn't include the appropriate response for me... If the only entertainment choices available were this:

http://www.mirimgs.com/webcam/paint.html

or listening to another gigantic pile of lies, I would have opted to watch paint dry. Needless to say, I didn't watch the SOTU, 'cause I'd have needed industrial-strength bullsh*t repellent... ;D

[24champ]

Put the National Guard on it (wait - they're all bogged down in Iraq.)

Better yet, get Bush to use the NSA to spy on the people crossing the border.
We do not necessarily need to send an army down there.It doesnt take alot to patrol the border. I would like to use helicopters and un manned drones., amd I would put that fence up that everyone is talking about. We have technology at our disposal!

[24champ]

Yeah - it's ridiculous.

If a bunch of al Qaeda members wanted to enter the country, all they'd have to do is put on some cholo clothes and cross the Mexican border like the rest of 'em. :pity:
How do we know they havent already crossed?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

We have technology at our disposal!

Yeah, we have technology that would allow us to count the hairs on the heads of every man, woman, or child who crossed the border.

Trouble is, the cheap labor conservatives aren't interested in using it.

Wouldn't be good for "bidness."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Take the poll

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11121234/

Did President Bush persuade you that he has the right plan for the country? * 34715 responses

Yes 32%
No 68%

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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