Massive US-Mexico Tunnel Found

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It might be a good idea to find out who and what is coming into this country.

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Agents studying massive US-Mexico tunnel
By Marty Graham Thu Jan 26, 7:34 PM ET

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Federal authorities were trying to determine on Thursday what was smuggled through a sophisticated tunnel into the United States from Mexico they call one of the longest ever found.

"Whether the tunnel was used for smuggling aliens, smuggling narcotics or a worst case scenario, some sort of weapon, we don't know," Michael Unzueta, special agent in charge of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in San Diego, said at a news conference.


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The entrance to a cross-border tunnel in the Otay Mesa area of San Diego County, California is shown in this handout photo provided by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency January 26, 2006. (DEA/Handout/Reuters)

Federal authorities, who uncovered the 2,400-foot (731 meter) tunnel on Wednesday, brought in a forensic team to look for fingerprints and DNA, and to sample the air and walls, so they can determine how long the tunnel has been in use and what it was used for, Unzueta said.

The tunnel has cement walls and supporting planks, is no less than five feet (1.2 meter) tall and wide, and runs as far as 60 feet underground, Unzueta said. It has lighting and ventilation, and a pumping system to drain groundwater.

The U.S. entrance has a cement ramp with a washboard pattern for better footing. "We believe this tunnel is, in fact, the largest tunnel ever found on the Southwest border," he said.

The passageway links a warehouse in Otay Mesa, California, with a warehouse near Tijuana international airport in Mexico, officials said.

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) found 200 pounds (90 kg) of marijuana on the U.S. side, while Mexican authorities said they discovered 2 tons of the drug on that side of the border.

Because of the sophistication of the tunnel, the DEA is investigating major drug cartels.

"We know it's been used for drug traffic but this really illustrates the dangers and risks of security to Americans," said John Fernandez, special agent at the DEA in San Diego.

The tunnel was the forth underground passage found between Tijuana and the San Diego region in two weeks, but far surpasses the other three, and most of the tunnels ever found, in size, Unzueta said. Most tunnels are little more than crawl spaces.

(Additional reporting by Tim Gaynor in Mexico)
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[enjolras]

WOW.. that is amazing. It's actually concrete. That took some time to do.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

WOW.. that is amazing. It's actually concrete. That took some time to do.

Funny how Bush overlooked something like this in his domestic spying activities.

[bronco_diesel]

Funny how Bush overlooked something like this in his domestic spying activities.

or you could make note of how this was found under the bush admin.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

or you could make note of how this was found under the bush admin.

...and use it to support your claim that Bush has done a splendid job dealing with the illegal immigration problem, no doubt.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

or you could make note of how this was found under the bush admin.
It sure wasn't because of anything Bush has done to secure our borders, you can bank on that. States are having to take upon themselves to secure our borders and country.

[RaiderH8r]

Jockeying pot and cheap labor. Big fvcking deal. You never hear of spy successes, because they're kept secret. Wait twenty years for the declassified material to come out then get knickers in a twist. Until then, sit back, crack a cold one, smoke a fatty (since supply will probably run low in some areas due to the discovery of this tunnel) and plan for the draft.....NFL that is.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Jockeying pot and cheap labor. Big fvcking deal.

Spoken like a true blue cheap labor conservative.


You never hear of spy successes, because they're kept secret.

Not true. There's a long list of terrorist plots that were thwarted during the Clinton years that are in the public record.

Until then, sit back, crack a cold one, smoke a fatty...

Ah, so now we learn your secret to keeping that pesky old thing called "conscience" at bay.

[RaiderH8r]

Spoken like a true blue cheap labor conservative.



Not true. There's a long list of terrorist plots that were thwarted during the Clinton years that are in the public record.



Ah, so now we learn your secret to keeping that pesky old thing called "conscience" at bay.
I'd be happy to call anyone who braves a midnight border crossing for a chance at a better life my countryman. I say we trade all those self employed bums who are tin cupping for spare change for those in Mexico willing to work. I've no problem paying these immigrants fair wages. It's win win, we get a motivated workforce and the bums don't have to worry about freezing in the winter. Hell, send'em down to Chavez, he'll take care of them.

Do those Clinton "successes" include Oklahoma City, World Trade Center pt. 1, Khobar towers? Not that you can actually stop these fvckwads 100% of the time, I don't really blame Billy. The terrorists can try 1,000,000 times and be twharted 999,999 of those attempts and still call it a success. We're in a losing situation because of our national mindset of demanding infallability in all regards from our national leaders and that takes focus, resources, and energy away from addressing the true problems in this regard. Accept it folks, the other shoe will drop, Americans will die, it's going to happen again. So once we get past that we can continue doing our best to put the beating on those that deserve it. Bottom line, no domestic attacks since '01 and I'm pretty sure someone out there is trying so something should be said for that.

[Elway 4 Life]

I just cant believe they found it so quick. It took me 3 years to dig that sum beach.

[loborugger]

Smugglers have tried everything under the sun to get the product from point A to point B. Tunnels are just the latest thing. When law enforcement gets good at snagging these tunnels, they will go to some other method.

Hell, someone built a tunnel across the northern border up near Bellingham, Washington. Its not like that border isnt porous beyond belief... and much less monitored than the SW border. Its a fad. I dont think it has anything to do with who is in the White House, or the war on terror.

This is what I think will happen.... an over-emphasis will be placed on tunnels. Border Patrol will get ground radar to search for them. ICE, DEA, & FBI will get informants in Mexico about large movements of dirt, or large sales of concrete. 5 years from now, we will start to see a lot less tunnels. Everyone will pat themselves on the back, declaring a job well done, while the traffickers have already moved on to the latest fad.

What I am waiting to see is this... a tunnel into Texas, ie under the Rio Grande. That would be a significant engineering feat and unexpected. To date, all tunnels have been into AZ and Calif. Now, maybe the cost of this tunnel would be more than its worth, but if I have thought of it, someone else surely has.

[W*GS]

There's a long list of terrorist plots that were thwarted during the Clinton years that are in the public record.

There's also a long list of successful terrorist actions against us during Clinton's watch, those successes convincing OBL and al-Qaeda to plan and carry out 9/11.

But OBL's involvement in 9/11 is just "alleged", in your worldview, LABF...

You and the other fringers believe 9/11 was an inside job.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bottom line, no domestic attacks since '01 and I'm pretty sure someone out there is trying so something should be said for that.

Aren't you overlooking the one that happened on 9/11/01?

(Not to mention all the warnings that were completely ignored?)

[RaiderH8r]

Aren't you overlooking the one that happened on 9/11/01?

(Not to mention all the warnings that were completely ignored?)
Not overlooking. The phrase, "SINCE '01" would imply that there was an attack in '01.

Here's the paradox. Should we aggressively pursue, interrogate, arrest, and gather intellitence on suspected terrorists and risk drawing the ire of the left in this country or appease the left in the short term and risk another attack and draw even more ire from the country at large? It would appear that the left has either ingeniously created this paradox to serve their own political ends or are just supremely naive in their approach to dealing with terrorism. Discuss.

[loborugger]

Some of the latest...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20060127-1457-wst-bordertunnel.html

Those who built the tunnel are in jeopardy of going thru a meat grinder - literally. I am surprised they arent already dead. I have heard on previous tunnels that the diggers were killed upon completion as a safeguard. Dead men can't snitch out the tunnel.

Nice people selling weed, eh... makes me wanna go buy a joint.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Here's the paradox. Should we aggressively pursue, interrogate, arrest, and gather intellitence on suspected terrorists and risk drawing the ire of the left in this country or appease the left in the short term and risk another attack and draw even more ire from the country at large?

You're framing the issue the wrong way.

It's probably safe to assume that all Americans, regardless of political bias, want our government to "aggressively pursue, interrogate, arrest, and gather intellitence on suspected terrorists."

When was that last time you heard a fellow American - liberal or rightie - say "damn, I was kind of hoping to get vaporized in a terrorist attack today, but it didn't happen?"

The issue here is that Bush has circumvented the rule of law in the manner in which he has conducted domestic survelliance activities when it would have been just as easy for him to get the same results the legal way. In so doing, Bush has declared himself above the law and has violated the fundamental principles (i.e., congressional and judicial oversight) that inform our tripartite system of government.

It would appear that the left has either ingeniously created this paradox to serve their own political ends or are just supremely naive in their approach to dealing with terrorism. Discuss.

Riiiiiiiight. The fact that Bush has broken the law, violated the Constitution, and basically declared himself king has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[Old Dude]

The Ancient Egyptians built pyramids and today, we marvel at them.

But sometimes we wonder what they were thinking.

3,000 years from now, future archeologists will discover hundreds of tunnels running from Tijuana to various points in the damned desert.

[Hotrod]

[QUOTE=Bronco_Beerslug]It might be a good idea to find out who and what is coming into this country.



Well according to my good buddy W*GS probebly just roses and thinking of you cards from all our friends in the world. :giggle:

[Hotrod]

The Ancient Egyptians built pyramids and today, we marvel at them.

But sometimes we wonder what they were thinking.

3,000 years from now, future archeologists will discover hundreds of tunnels running from Tijuana to various points in the damned desert.

LOL you just might be the single funniest poster on the mane :thumbs: