Possible pick involved trade with Niners?

[mug0mug]

I am new to this particular forum (Hi), but am curious what your impressions of a trade involving either the Broncos #22 and #31 picks (I believe those to be the correct numbers) for the 9ers #6 or #7 pick (depending on the coin flip) and get someone like Ngata, M. Williams, Kiwanuka, V.Davis etc., or a trade involving one of those picks for a later pick of theirs and a player at a position of need (perhaps Beasley or someone).
I will admit that I am a 49er fan an am a member at an active Niner forum and these are possibilities that several people have been discussing.
Are those possibilities that you would be pleased with and/or would be options that Shanahan and the Front Office would consider?

[OrangeShadow]

we're picking at 22 and 29 but i havent heard any trade talks

[Needa Pass Rush]

I am new to this particular forum (Hi), but am curious what your impressions of a trade involving either the Broncos #22 and #31 picks (I believe those to be the correct numbers) for the 9ers #6 or #7 pick (depending on the coin flip) and get someone like Ngata, M. Williams, Kiwanuka, V.Davis etc., or a trade involving one of those picks for a later pick of theirs and a player at a position of need (perhaps Beasley or someone).
I will admit that I am a 49er fan an am a member at an active Niner forum and these are possibilities that several people have been discussing.
Are those possibilities that you would be pleased with and/or would be options that Shanahan and the Front Office would consider?

It's not nice to tease us after such a devastating loss, Mug! (welcome!)

[mug0mug]

Heh, I'm not hear to tease, I promise I'm not a troll. I just would like to hear impressions from people, some of whom would know better than I, about the possibilities I mentioned. I also thought you guys may be interested to know that it has been a relatively common topic on the Niner boards. (Obviously we all know boards aren't people that make any decisions, but a teams most loyal fans know the most about their own teams.
So please, what would your impressions be if one of those scenarios were to happen?

[Needa Pass Rush]

If the 9ers offerd that to the Broncos they would likely jump on it if there was someone on the board the coveted. You may be able to get more from the Broncs.

[meangene]

There was a thread in the draft forum about trading our two firsts for the Niners first if Mario Williams was available. I'd be all for it but most seem to think it would not be enough for us to move up that far. With the depth of this draft I think our picks have increased in value. A deal with the Niners seems to make sense for both teams.

[x123z]

Yes!

[defenseman]

I would definitely like this if it were to happen......the only thing I'd worry about is the CAP to be honest...dman

[enjolras]

Not gonna happen... Wrapping those two picks together may get you to 15 or 16, but not into the top 10.

[Connecticut Bronco Fan]

22 (780)
29 (640)

(1420)

6 - 1600
7 - 1500
8 - 1400
9 - 1350

our two first round picks would be enough point wise to trade up to 6 - 9 range, maybe givning up a 2nd day pick also

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Quit with the online charts, teams do not go by them.

For the trade, no. Denver's in position to fill 2 needs in a great draft. Keep the picks.

[Willynowei]

Quit with the online charts, teams do not go by them.

For the trade, no. Denver's in position to fill 2 needs in a great draft. Keep the picks.

But i think the question comes in, do we really have 2 very needy positions? or 1 extremely needy position?

I think DE is an extremely needy position, much more so than safety or tightend.

Lets not forget that as much as some of us would hate to believe, TO comming to Denver is a very likely scenario.

[FantomForce]

Welcome to the mane

[ludo21]

Just like my AV, i want MARIO!!

As have been said the charts prove we can move up to the 7-9 range.

If we can move up there, lets do it and grab him. If they wont go for it, then we will stay out and take Kiwi if he drops.

[meangene]

Kiwi has been getting manhandled so far at the Senior Bowl practices. It's early but I saw a clip of Ferguson throwing him around like a rag doll. Kiwi has a ways to go IMO and is a bit of a project.

[maven]

Quit with the online charts, teams do not go by them.




Hey, don't ruin everybody's fun. Sure, teams do not use it. But, there's 3 months of talk leading up to the draft.

[maven]

I will admit that I am a 49er fan an am a member at an active Niner forum and these are possibilities that several people have been discussing.


What's the board name?

[ludo21]

Kiwi has been getting manhandled so far at the Senior Bowl practices. It's early but I saw a clip of Ferguson throwing him around like a rag doll. Kiwi has a ways to go IMO and is a bit of a project.

yeah he may end up being another DE bust, its tough to tell with those guys. We might want to stay away from a DE in the draft (unless its a sure thing) and just pick one up via FA. Abraham anyone?

[meangene]

yeah he may end up being another DE bust, its tough to tell with those guys. We might want to stay away from a DE in the draft (unless its a sure thing) and just pick one up via FA. Abraham anyone?

There's an idea but he has been hurt a lot and how much will he cost? I still like Hali in addition to Williams. I also like Tapp out of Va Tech.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Hey, don't ruin everybody's fun. Sure, teams do not use it. But, there's 3 months of talk leading up to the draft.

It's not completely realistic and there are going to be a ton of trade rumors since Denver's the only team at this point with 2 1sts. I don't want 3 months of "according to the chart, Denver would have to throw in . . . ".

[maven]

It's not completely realistic and there are going to be a ton of trade rumors since Denver's the only team at this point with 2 1sts. I don't want 3 months of "according to the chart, Denver would have to throw in . . . ".

:giggle: Denver has a lot of picks. Tons of trade rumors. Toss in the charts once in awhile. It's all in good fun.

[ScottXray]

It's not completely realistic and there are going to be a ton of trade rumors since Denver's the only team at this point with 2 1sts. I don't want 3 months of "according to the chart, Denver would have to throw in . . . ".

That's the key right there...Denver is the only team with two firsts. Which means that IF a trade were considered by one of the Top 8 draft teams they should approach US. We have needs but also a good bargaining position when it comes to draft choices. Unless Denver is targeting a specific player we just need to wait and see who comes to us, in that case. If no one approaches us then they would want more than we should give, and would think they have the upper hand. Screw em. Our two firsts give us a lot of leverage. And if no one approaches, just get the best players available at our position needs and hope they pan out.
There are no sure things in the draft. College talent doens't always translate to the NFL.

[ludo21]

There's an idea but he has been hurt a lot and how much will he cost? I still like Hali in addition to Williams. I also like Tapp out of Va Tech.


I too like Hali, and i really do want to draft a guy and make him a home grown Bronco from the start. Tapp may go in the second so we could get him there too.

[watermock]

I have passed the crying mode....now I'm just in grumpy mode...pretty soon I will get to draft mode, but I'm still in mourning...

I'll trust the men...top men(Indiana Jones) to decide if we want to deal our two #1's

IMO, getting one hit out of two picks is better than putting all your eggs in one basket, but whatever, I'm not making the calls...

dammit how could we melt down like that with so much on the line...see...I'm still in mourning....I haven't even started looking at the draft...I think I'm going back into crying mode....Yep....aw dammit...it's almost comical...wipes tears..."really, I lost it"...It will go away soon enough...It was certainly not the time to lay eggs...If I could black it out I would....There was so much screw up that game it's insane.

Well, first we need to handle the cap. Pryce will probably be released...he faded down the stretch and has become pedestrian, not dominant...10M is rediculous...I don't know...we have men...top men *heh* working on this problem....

We have plenty of picks..if we make them count we will be fine...

[Jason in LA]

The niners can't be that dumb. Why would they give the Broncos a gift like that?

[DBroncos4life]

Instead of trading for one guy why not take two guys. In a draft where atleast 40 guys could be picked in the first round. In any other draft these guys would be top 10 picks. Kiwi would have last year, now look. I mean how many drafts have 5 franchise type LTs in them? If anything wait and see who slips. Thats when the big trades come, there is always going to be that someone that has to have this guy that somehow slipped down that far.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Figuring out what Shanahan will do in the 1st round is like throwing darts blindfolded...you might get lucky once every 10 throws. Denver has a history of moving down more often than up but I'd love to see us do that trade. Mario Willilams or Ngata would be awesome. I don't see it happening. What's more likely is Shanny picking a guy most of us have never heard of at a position we didn't realize he was interesting in addressing. Chances are it will be somebody that Mel Kiper and the talking heads hate. I get fooled almost every year with this thing. I think I'm ready to just relax and ignore the hype, either positive or negative until we see how it pans out. It worked prett well this last time around.

[Beantown Bronco]

I am not in favor of trading the picks to move up, but what confuses me is why people view it as "putting all your eggs in one basket." Last year, the Broncos first pick came all the way towards the end of the second round and they still managed to get a couple of immediate impact guys after all was said and done.

What the Saints did to get Ricky Williams was truly putting all their eggs in one basket. Trading two first rounders for one, and still having at least one or two picks in each round thereafter is hardly the same.

I will say it again, though. I am NOT in favor of trading both firsts to move up. I am, however, in favor of something else. How about trading the Skins pick plus the Broncos third rounder to move up in the first round. Sure we wouldn't get up in the top 10, but we could move up into the mid to upper teens if the right player was still available. And we'd still have the third round comp pick that looks like a done deal (and that would only be a few spots lower than the Broncos' original third round pick anyway.

[Rohirrim]

This might be an excellent draft (and an excellent drafting postion in the first round) for the Broncos to just sit and wait, and see what drops out of the trees. It seems that every year great players drop for unknown reasons. One year it's safeties that drop, one year it's RBs. Who knows what it will be this year? If Lendale or Huff were still sitting there at 15, it would be hard not to drop those two picks to move up, but I'm guessing in this draft there's some really good talent available if the Broncos sit tight on what they've got.

[Rohirrim]

I am not in favor of trading the picks to move up, but what confuses me is why people view it as "putting all your eggs in one basket." Last year, the Broncos first pick came all the way towards the end of the second round and they still managed to get a couple of immediate impact guys after all was said and done.

What the Saints did to get Ricky Williams was truly putting all their eggs in one basket. Trading two first rounders for one, and still having at least one or two picks in each round thereafter is hardly the same.

I will say it again, though. I am NOT in favor of trading both firsts to move up. I am, however, in favor of something else. How about trading the Skins pick plus the Broncos third rounder to move up in the first round. Sure we wouldn't get up in the top 10, but we could move up into the mid to upper teens if the right player was still available. And we'd still have the third round comp pick that looks like a done deal (and that would only be a few spots lower than the Broncos' original third round pick anyway.

I feel the same way, except in some special circumstances. What if Shanny had traded 3 picks for Polamalu a couple of years ago? Nobody would be bitching about it now. Unfortunately, hind sight is 20/20. You could just as easily trade those three picks and end up with Ryan Leaf. :giggle:

[Phantom]

I'm sure the Redskins will be along shortly.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

If Lendale or Huff were still sitting there at 15, it would be hard not to drop those two picks to move up,

7 spots? It'd be easy not to drop those two picks for that little movement.

[bpc]

I would do it only if Bush fell or if Mario Williams was just sitting there at 7 and we were in love with him as a player... however at this point and time, I'm more in favor of staying where we are at. This draft is deep in terms of DLine talent, OL talent, and also TE's... we could use all three.

I would love to get Kiwanuka (I compare him right now favorably to KGB) and either Mercedes Lewis, or the 6'7 TE named Pope from Georgia. We need help in both of those areas.

[Doufer]

Go For It! Jay Cutler #6 Pick Woot!

[Drek]

I am new to this particular forum (Hi), but am curious what your impressions of a trade involving either the Broncos #22 and #31 picks (I believe those to be the correct numbers) for the 9ers #6 or #7 pick (depending on the coin flip) and get someone like Ngata, M. Williams, Kiwanuka, V.Davis etc., or a trade involving one of those picks for a later pick of theirs and a player at a position of need (perhaps Beasley or someone).
I will admit that I am a 49er fan an am a member at an active Niner forum and these are possibilities that several people have been discussing.
Are those possibilities that you would be pleased with and/or would be options that Shanahan and the Front Office would consider?
I don't see the Broncos making a 22 and 29 for 6/7 swap unless they had a large enough list to guarantee them someone they considered worth that much.

Personally, I don't think there is anyone worth that much at our need positions in this very deep draft. Mario Williams has great measurables but disapears on the field. As someone who watched a lot of Peppers from the time he stepped on the field for UNC I can say for a damn fact he's not the next Peppers. Peppers, on a bad D1 team, dominated much better competition, even getting his linemate grossly overdrafted (how's Sims working out for the chefs by the way?) He did things on a football field that made you just gasp. I've watched Mario Williams play, he's damn good and an amazing athlete, but he just doesn't have that knack for making plays like Peppers. Maybe he'll get it as he matures, but he's not a sure bet.

I'm also not sold on Kiwi. At pick 22 he's a good value pick, but he doesn't make me jump up and scream with excitment.

I really like Haloti Ngata, but not enough to trade two firsts.

So see, thats the problem, no DL in this draft makes me want to send two firsts away to get them.

Also, Beasley isn't of any interest to the Broncos. He's grossly overrated as a player in general, and isn't a fit for us, especially since we already have a very good FB in Beasley.

Now if the 49ers wanted an extra first they could either a) trade us a 3rd this year and a 1st in '07 for the 22nd pick or b) trade us their 2nd this year, 4th this year, and some other comp (2nd or 3rd in '07) for the 29th pick. :thumbs:

[OrangeShadow]

i like kiwi but IMO williams is lightyears ahead of him

[-Slap-]

I am new to this particular forum (Hi), but am curious what your impressions of a trade involving either the Broncos #22 and #31 picks (I believe those to be the correct numbers) for the 9ers #6 or #7 pick (depending on the coin flip) and get someone like Ngata, M. Williams, Kiwanuka, V.Davis etc., or a trade involving one of those picks for a later pick of theirs and a player at a position of need (perhaps Beasley or someone).
I will admit that I am a 49er fan an am a member at an active Niner forum and these are possibilities that several people have been discussing.
Are those possibilities that you would be pleased with and/or would be options that Shanahan and the Front Office would consider?
Sorry about Jamie Brown for a second rounder back in 1998.

[footstepsfrom#27]

How's that Willie Middlebrooks thing workin' out?

Sorry...;D

[Man-Goblin]

I don't see the Broncos making a 22 and 29 for 6/7 swap unless they had a large enough list to guarantee them someone they considered worth that much.

Personally, I don't think there is anyone worth that much at our need positions in this very deep draft. Mario Williams has great measurables but disapears on the field. As someone who watched a lot of Peppers from the time he stepped on the field for UNC I can say for a damn fact he's not the next Peppers. Peppers, on a bad D1 team, dominated much better competition, even getting his linemate grossly overdrafted (how's Sims working out for the chefs by the way?) He did things on a football field that made you just gasp. I've watched Mario Williams play, he's damn good and an amazing athlete, but he just doesn't have that knack for making plays like Peppers. Maybe he'll get it as he matures, but he's not a sure bet.

I'm also not sold on Kiwi. At pick 22 he's a good value pick, but he doesn't make me jump up and scream with excitment.

I really like Haloti Ngata, but not enough to trade two firsts.

So see, thats the problem, no DL in this draft makes me want to send two firsts away to get them.

Also, Beasley isn't of any interest to the Broncos. He's grossly overrated as a player in general, and isn't a fit for us, especially since we already have a very good FB in Beasley.

Now if the 49ers wanted an extra first they could either a) trade us a 3rd this year and a 1st in '07 for the 22nd pick or b) trade us their 2nd this year, 4th this year, and some other comp (2nd or 3rd in '07) for the 29th pick. :thumbs:

Great post.

[RMT]

That's the key right there...Denver is the only team with two firsts. Which means that IF a trade were considered by one of the Top 8 draft teams they should approach US. We have needs but also a good bargaining position when it comes to draft choices. Unless Denver is targeting a specific player we just need to wait and see who comes to us, in that case. If no one approaches us then they would want more than we should give, and would think they have the upper hand. Screw em. Our two firsts give us a lot of leverage. And if no one approaches, just get the best players available at our position needs and hope they pan out.
There are no sure things in the draft. College talent doens't always translate to the NFL.

What I'd like to see the Broncos do is keep #22 and trade out of the first round with pick #29 and move up in the 2nd round. Save some cap $$$ and add a player they have targeted lower than pick #29. Perhaps switching 2nd round spots with a team who covets the #29 pick and is also willing to throw in next year's 1st round pick like Washington did this year.

Regardless, we have to do better in the drafts.

[~Crash~]

how many sacks has MARIO got in the last for years?

[IHaveALight]

I am new to this particular forum (Hi), but am curious what your impressions of a trade involving either the Broncos #22 and #31 picks (I believe those to be the correct numbers) for the 9ers #6 or #7 pick (depending on the coin flip) and get someone like Ngata, M. Williams, Kiwanuka, V.Davis etc., or a trade involving one of those picks for a later pick of theirs and a player at a position of need (perhaps Beasley or someone).
I will admit that I am a 49er fan an am a member at an active Niner forum and these are possibilities that several people have been discussing.
Are those possibilities that you would be pleased with and/or would be options that Shanahan and the Front Office would consider?

Let's see...
Texans - Bush
Saints - Leinart/Young
Titans - Young/Leinart
Jets - Ferguson
Packers - Hawk/Ngata/Mario
*Raiders- Hawk/Ngata/Mario

So if the Packers take Hawk and the Raiders win the coin flip that leaves us with either Ngata or Mario, either way I like it!
If the Packers take Hawk and 9ers win the coin flip then we have our choice between Ngata or Mario, even better!!
But if the 9ers lose the toss and Packers and Raiders take Ngata and Mario, leaving Hawk as the BPA then I don't like the trade at all.

So basicly I'm willing to give up the 2 first rounders (plus a little more depending on which) for only Bush, Leinart, Young, Ferguson, Ngata or Mario.

[IHaveALight]

What I'd like to see the Broncos do is keep #22 and trade out of the first round with pick #29 and move up in the 2nd round. Save some cap $$$ and add a player they have targeted lower than pick #29. Perhaps switching 2nd round spots with a team who covets the #29 pick and is also willing to throw in next year's 1st round pick like Washington did this year.

Regardless, we have to do better in the drafts.

No one is going to give us their 2nd this year and first next year for #29.

I do kind of like the idea of trading down into the early part of round two with the 29 pick though. Maybe we could get this and next years 2nd round pick from a team and possible a 3rd or 4th rounder to go along with it.

[meangene]

how many sacks has MARIO got in the last for years?

2003 - 5
2004 - 6
2005 - 13

Really turned it on over the second half of this season getting most of his sacks. It looked like the light really turned on and his production matched him immense talent. A lot like Peppers and Kearse. Unbelievable talent that you could see in flashes and then started to put it together.

[Traveler]

Figuring out what Shanahan will do in the 1st round is like throwing darts blindfolded...you might get lucky once every 10 throws. Denver has a history of moving down more often than up but I'd love to see us do that trade. Mario Willilams or Ngata would be awesome. I don't see it happening. What's more likely is Shanny picking a guy most of us have never heard of at a position we didn't realize he was interesting in addressing. Chances are it will be somebody that Mel Kiper and the talking heads hate. I get fooled almost every year with this thing. I think I'm ready to just relax and ignore the hype, either positive or negative until we see how it pans out. It worked prett well this last time around.



Good move!

I've been taking this approach since the 1998 draft with Marcus Nash and Eric Brown. Haven't been "as" stunned by Shanny's picks since then.

[Rohirrim]

7 spots? It'd be easy not to drop those two picks for that little movement.

Hell, I wouldn't mind at all, if it was for an impact player. Why not use the Snyder freebie to get the best Safety (Huff) in the draft (IMO)? Look at the changes Troy has brought to Pitt. Remember what it was like to have Atwater back there? The dropped balls? The alligator arms. The TOs? The hits? I admit, I've only watched three UT games this year, but in every one of those games, Huff was all over the field, in on every tackle or standing right there in the picture when the tackle was made. He has the speed to cover and the nasty streak for the big hit. Plus, it's the perfect time to bring in a S. Let Lynch, Brandon, Ferguson, Burns, et al. coach him. You don't have to throw him to the lions in his first season. Unfortunately, in reality I doubt that Huff drops to a reachable, affordable spot, but if he did, I'd be all for it.