We might get shafted a little bit re: compensatory picks

[SoCalBronco]

From a footnote in one of this morning's articles:

The Broncos likely will get one third-round compensatory draft pick for the free-agent losses of defensive end Reggie Hayward (Jacksonville) and safety Kenoy Kennedy (Detroit).

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3431140

I suppose its better than a single fourth, but I was hoping for a 3 and a 4, or at least 2 4s. Still better than nothing i guess, esp. since it is on day 1.

Who knows though. Last year, we were projected to get a couple fourths I think and we were all pleasantly surprised to get 2 3s.

[Kaylore]

Yeah let's wait and see. We guessed one and got two last year so who knows.

[fontaine]

From a footnote in one of this morning's articles:

The Broncos likely will get one third-round compensatory draft pick for the free-agent losses of defensive end Reggie Hayward (Jacksonville) and safety Kenoy Kennedy (Detroit).

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3431140

I suppose its better than a single fourth, but I was hoping for a 3 and a 4, or at least 2 4s. Still better than nothing i guess, esp. since it is on day 1.

Who knows though. Last year, we were projected to get a couple fourths I think and we were all pleasantly surprised to get 2 3s.

Don't we already have two 4ths (one from the skins) you greedy bastid??

;D

Still five first day picks isn't bad at all in this deep draft! If Shanny/Sundquist play their cards right we could fill several needs for this team for the long haul!
:strong:

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I think one of the writers said something similar at this point last year about only getting one comp pick, guess we'll have to see how it turns out.

[crazyhorse]

After Maurice Clarrett, you should forfiet those picks to someone that will actually use them for NFL players.

Unfortunately you cannot trade compensatory picks.

[dumpy]

After Maurice Clarrett, you should forfiet those picks to someone that will actually use them for NFL players.

Unfortunately you cannot trade compensatory picks.


Yeah we could trade it the the Chiefs for their 2nd round pick since they like to squander away those picks.

[Garcia Bronco]

I think it will be okay for us since we won't have a ton of room to sign a bunch of guys. I just hope we keep as much of the team as possible.

[x123z]

Clarett was worth a shot. Not in the third round tho.

[broncosteven]

So we can only pick up one mental case/future con in this years Draft?

Will Ron Mexicos Bro Fall that far down?

[Nuggets4]

Clarett was worth a shot.

With a 357 magnum?

[-Slap-]

From a footnote in one of this morning's articles:

The Broncos likely will get one third-round compensatory draft pick for the free-agent losses of defensive end Reggie Hayward (Jacksonville) and safety Kenoy Kennedy (Detroit).

That would be typically arbitrary bull**** from the NFL's mystery shrouded compensatory formula.

Hayward had an excellent season and Kennedy started all 16 games for Detroit. We should get the same compensation we received last year.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

That would be typically arbitrary bull**** from the NFL's mystery shrouded compensatory formula.

Hayward had an excellent season and Kennedy started all 16 games for Detroit. We should get the same compensation we received last year.

Just go by average $$$ per year, and you get a good idea of what they'll get. Berry got $5M per and so did Heyward. IIRC KK's deal averaged somewhere between $3-4M per. I'd bet that falls into the 4th round comp category, but Alexander was one of Denver's signings and he will cancel out the KK loss to some degree. Denver also lost Donnie Spragan, so I'm not sure how much he'll factor in.

[Rohirrim]

That would be typically arbitrary bull**** from the NFL's mystery shrouded compensatory formula.

Hayward had an excellent season and Kennedy started all 16 games for Detroit. We should get the same compensation we received last year.

Two thirds. ;D

[DBroncos4life]

So we can only pick up one mental case/future con in this years Draft?

Will Ron Mexicos Bro Fall that far down?
If someone drafts that crack head then they need help.

[Mediator12]

Someone remind me what we get for Kelley Herndon? Are RFA's still part of that equation? Denver lost far more than it signed since all the DL were Cuts and Trades that do not Factor into the equation.

Spragan and Alexander should cancel each other out I believe as there salaries and PT were about the same.

[broncosteven]

Someone remind me what we get for Kelley Herndon? Are RFA's still part of that equation? Denver lost far more than it signed since all the DL were Cuts and Trades that do not Factor into the equation.

Spragan and Alexander should cancel each other out I believe as there salaries and PT were about the same.


Herndon was not drafted right so we do not get a comp pick for him correct?

[DBroncos4life]

Someone remind me what we get for Kelley Herndon? Are RFA's still part of that equation? Denver lost far more than it signed since all the DL were Cuts and Trades that do not Factor into the equation.

Spragan and Alexander should cancel each other out I believe as there salaries and PT were about the same.
I thought so as well but someone else on the NFL.com site doesn't think so. I dont understand why it wouldn't. He said something about not tendoring him, but I thought that affected that years draft not the next years.

[DBroncos4life]

Herndon was not drafted right so we do not get a comp pick for him correct?
I thought that really only mattered when it came to tendoring a player.

[eddie mac]

That would be typically arbitrary bull**** from the NFL's mystery shrouded compensatory formula.

Hayward had an excellent season and Kennedy started all 16 games for Detroit. We should get the same compensation we received last year.
Didn't Alexander start all of our games, it goes by contracts as well.

[broncosteven]

I thought that really only mattered when it came to tendoring a player.


Me too, since we didn't match him & he was free to go & he was not drafted by us we get Nada.

[eddie mac]

Herndon was not drafted right so we do not get a comp pick for him correct?

Correct, we can only get compensation for Hayward, Kennedy or Spragan.

[bpc]

Alexander sucks. If I would have saw him in the streets after the Pitt game, who knows what i would have done. Worst game I've seen played in awhile. Then again him and Tatum put on a clinic in that game about how NOT to block somebody from killing your QB.

As for the comp's... Kenoy was by far Detroit's best defender in the secondary and this was commonly known by sources close to the team. Hayward had another solid year for the Jags. We should get two 3rd's... although I will not be surprised if we get screwed by the league. It would hurt us though if we didnt' get that.

[Clockwork Orange]

Even if it is only one 3rd rounder, I'm allright with it.

Two 1sts, a 2nd, two 3rds & two 4ths aint bad. Especially for a team coming off the kind of season the Broncos just put up.

[Drek]

Herndon was not drafted right so we do not get a comp pick for him correct? Different pick system. The comp. picks you're thinking about are for restricted free agents, and are awarded from the signing team. The comp picks we're talking about are what the NFL awards teams who loose more free agents than they sign. Herndon wasn't drafted so we got no comp from the Seahawks for him, but I'm pretty sure he did factor in for the NFL awarded, end of round, compensatory picks. Not positive since undrafted guys have messed up FA systems, and it might be that RFAs aren't elidgable for NFL comp picks.

[Hulamau]

We need the very best 1 or 2 DE in the draft who can play now AND a proven vet. What DE's worth their salt are FA's this year?

Any teams switching to the 3-4 this offseason that might have a big DE in FA?

[fontaine]

Alexander sucks. If I would have saw him in the streets after the Pitt game, who knows what i would have done. Worst game I've seen played in awhile. Then again him and Tatum put on a clinic in that game about how NOT to block somebody from killing your QB.


I agree. He was whiffing on blocks before that as well in the running game.

We missed the House in a big way for in line blocking.

[eddie mac]

We need the very best 1 or 2 DE in the draft who can play now AND a proven vet. What DE's worth their salt are FA's this year?

Any teams switching to the 3-4 this offseason that might have a big DE in FA?

Ellis from Dallas was mentioned on another thread as someone who could become a casualty.

[IHaveALight]

I'm pretty sure we went through this last year and concluded that we can't get compensation for Herndon.
Since he was a RFA we could have tenderd him and kept him or got compensation. Because of that the leagues not going to reward us for letting him go when we could have easily held onto him.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4416825,00.html

Huge article by Legwold today, claims the Broncos should get 2 comp picks and says possibly 3 because of Herndon.

[fontaine]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4416825,00.html

Huge article by Legwold today, claims the Broncos should get 2 comp picks and says possibly 3 because of Herndon.

I thought undrafted players don't get accounted in comp picks?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I thought undrafted players don't get accounted in comp picks?

Undrafted RFAs who were given the lowest tender that would require compensation in the round they were drafted in, which in this case would be no compensation.

The argument is this: Denver (or any team for that matter) had a chance to tender their undrafted RFA to the mid- or high tender that would require 1st round pick compensation or a 1st and a 3rd round pick as compensation respectively. They chose not to, so that player is not eligible for a comp pick because they had the chance to give him a higher tender.

However, Cincy tendered Takeo Spikes as a transition free agent a few years ago, that tag also requires the signing team to give up no compensation for him. The next year, the league gave the Bengals a comp pick in the 3rd round for losing Spikes even though the franchise tag was available as a tender.

We're just going to have to wait and see what happens with this one.

[Drek]

I thought undrafted players don't get accounted in comp picks?
I don't know for sure as far as league awarded comps go, but Herndon being a UDFA meant we got no compensation from the Seahawks, since we didn't give him a 1st round tender. I think the fact that there are two FA comp systems, one from the signing team for restricted FAs and one by the NFL for lost FAs in general, leads to a lot of confusion.

[fontaine]

Undrafted RFAs who were given the lowest tender that would require compensation in the round they were drafted in, which in this case would be no compensation.

The argument is this: Denver (or any team for that matter) had a chance to tender their undrafted RFA to the mid- or high tender that would require 1st round pick compensation or a 1st and a 3rd round pick as compensation respectively. They chose not to, so that player is not eligible for a comp pick because they had the chance to give him a higher tender.

However, Cincy tendered Takeo Spikes as a transition free agent a few years ago, that tag also requires the signing team to give up no compensation for him. The next year, the league gave the Bengals a comp pick in the 3rd round for losing Spikes even though the franchise tag was available as a tender.

We're just going to have to wait and see what happens with this one.

Yeah, but I thought Cincy only applied the transition tag to not scare any trade suiters and ended up getting some sort of draft pick from the Bills to trade Takeo?

I can't remember, so that may mean I'm wrong. But I don't see how thel league gives compensation for Herndon because then they would have to penalize Denver for retaining Putz who was given some sort of tender and ended back with them since he was a RFA?

[Mediator12]

I don't know for sure as far as league awarded comps go, but Herndon being a UDFA meant we got no compensation from the Seahawks, since we didn't give him a 1st round tender. I think the fact that there are two FA comp systems, one from the signing team for restricted FAs and one by the NFL for lost FAs in general, leads to a lot of confusion.

Yep. There is no true formula that is objective. That is why I was hoping someone had an idea about Herndon. I know that people did mistake not getting compensation from Seattle as not getting a compensatory Extra draft pick earlier in this thread.

Two different draft years as well. Denver would have gotten that pick in a tradable format from Seattle in last years draft instead of this years too. However, Seattle would never have given him that contract if the Broncos tendered him for for first or third round pick compensation IMHO.

[Mediator12]

Yeah, but I thought Cincy only applied the transition tag to not scare any trade suiters and ended up getting some sort of draft pick from the Bills to trade Takeo?

I can't remember, so that may mean I'm wrong. But I don't see how thel league gives compensation for Herndon because then they would have to penalize Denver for retaining Putz who was given some sort of tender and ended back with them since he was a RFA?

This is why the formula is tricky. The compensation is for the teams if they lose more FA's than they sign. UFA or RFA only matters if they are lost to other teams. Players resigned to the same team are not included in the calculation from what I understand. Players signed as UFA or RFA count against this formula Unless they have had their contracts terminated by another team. This is what happened with Brown and why he will not count against the formula. There are other nuances but I do not understand them beyond this explanation.

[-Slap-]

There is no formula. Whining your ass off like Leonard Tose or Al Davis seems to be as good a strategy as any.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Yeah, but I thought Cincy only applied the transition tag to not scare any trade suiters and ended up getting some sort of draft pick from the Bills to trade Takeo?


That would have made it a trade though, and then he wouldn't have been eligible. I think the Bengals just wanted a chance to match, and just chose not to.