Brandon Marshall-WR-University Central Florida

[anthonypacino]

This guy is a player, 6'5 230 I think he is being overlooked cause he played on defense last year. I have had my eye on him sice about mid season, he really stood up in the Hula Bowl the other day. I think he would be great in the 3rd if he falls that low.

[footstepsfrom#27]

If he stood out he probably gets snapped up earlier...it's a poor year for WRs.

[ChampBailey24]

cept HAGAN!!!!!

[Ray Finkle]

cept HAGAN!!!!!


poor blocker, no speed....

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

poor blocker, no speed....


HMMM - from the times I saw him, he was a great blocker for a college WR. Speed - not a burner, but will probably run in high 4.4's at the combine - adequate.

[Ray Finkle]

HMMM - from the times I saw him, he was a great blocker for a college WR. Speed - not a burner, but will probably run in high 4.4's at the combine - adequate.


War Room analysis
Strengths: Is productive with good size and strength. Uses good quickness and experience to beat the jams and get upfield. Shows good hip movement to change directions quickly at top speed, and shows a good burst out of cuts. Recognizes coverages well, finds soft spots against zones and beats man-to-man coverages with sharp routes and good position. Is tough. Makes plays over the middle, snatching passes on the run in traffic. Is productive after the catch.

Weaknesses: Lacks elite speed. Doesn’t get separation or pull away from elite defenders. Drops too many passes, but has improved and become more natural with experience.

Bottom line: If he had more pure speed, Hagan would be a top pick in the '06 draft. He must show improved speed this fall and in pre-draft workouts. He is tough and productive and has the potential to be a real good possession receiver in the NFL.


another....

Strengths:
Has solid size...Is a smart and cagey receiver who just knows how to get open...Runs good routes...Is more quick than fast...Tough and will lay his body on the line...Does a solid job of running after the catch...Never gives up on a play...Adjusts well to bad throws...Overachiever who gets the most out of his ability...Very productive...The type who does everything well but nothing great.

Weaknesses:
Does not have great pure speed...Is not a deep threat...Will still drop some catchable passes and hands are somewhat questionable...May have trouble separating from pro defensive backs...Is not a great blocker...Does not work the middle of the field much...May not have a lot of upside at the next level.

Notes:
An excellent college receiver who you have to temper your excitement about as a prospect due to his lack of ideal physical tools...Can be a great #2 receiver in the pros but to expect much more from him is probably being a little too optimistic.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

War Room analysis
Strengths: Is productive with good size and strength. Uses good quickness and experience to beat the jams and get upfield. Shows good hip movement to change directions quickly at top speed, and shows a good burst out of cuts. Recognizes coverages well, finds soft spots against zones and beats man-to-man coverages with sharp routes and good position. Is tough. Makes plays over the middle, snatching passes on the run in traffic. Is productive after the catch.

Weaknesses: Lacks elite speed. Doesn’t get separation or pull away from elite defenders. Drops too many passes, but has improved and become more natural with experience.

Bottom line: If he had more pure speed, Hagan would be a top pick in the '06 draft. He must show improved speed this fall and in pre-draft workouts. He is tough and productive and has the potential to be a real good possession receiver in the NFL.


another....

Strengths:
Has solid size...Is a smart and cagey receiver who just knows how to get open...Runs good routes...Is more quick than fast...Tough and will lay his body on the line...Does a solid job of running after the catch...Never gives up on a play...Adjusts well to bad throws...Overachiever who gets the most out of his ability...Very productive...The type who does everything well but nothing great.

Weaknesses:
Does not have great pure speed...Is not a deep threat...Will still drop some catchable passes and hands are somewhat questionable...May have trouble separating from pro defensive backs...Is not a great blocker...Does not work the middle of the field much...May not have a lot of upside at the next level.

Notes:
An excellent college receiver who you have to temper your excitement about as a prospect due to his lack of ideal physical tools...Can be a great #2 receiver in the pros but to expect much more from him is probably being a little too optimistic.

Well, I think I watched 8 ASU games this year (which is more than most of these so called draft analysts) and I would agree with most of this except the part about not going over the middle and not blocking. I bet if you look at tape you would see about half of his catches came in the middle of the field and he is always downfield blocking.

[Ray Finkle]

Well, I think I watched 8 ASU games this year (which is more than most of these so called draft analysts) and I would agree with most of this except the part about not going over the middle and not blocking. I bet if you look at tape you would see about half of his catches came in the middle of the field and he is always downfield blocking.


True, I found that a little odd when one said he could and the other that he couldn't. I didn't watch a lot of games with him but am worried about the speed issue...

[anthonypacino]

Marshall caught 11 TD's this year half of his QB's season totals, 74 receptions for 1195 yards, in the Hawaii Bowl against Nevada he had over 200 yards and 3 TD's. I really think this kid could be a steal.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

True, I found that a little odd when one said he could and the other that he couldn't. I didn't watch a lot of games with him but am worried about the speed issue...

I understand, byt remember, if he runs in the high 4.4s or even low 4.5s, he is faster than guys like Jerry Rice, Eddy Mac, Rod and hines Ward.

[27atwater]

Marshall looked awesome in the hula bowl and would definitely be worth a gamble. I still like Vernon or Santonio early though.

[Broncoman13]

Well, I think I watched 8 ASU games this year (which is more than most of these so called draft analysts) and I would agree with most of this except the part about not going over the middle and not blocking. I bet if you look at tape you would see about half of his catches came in the middle of the field and he is always downfield blocking.


I've been high on Hagan for a while now. I've often thought his blocking was suspect... mainly b/c that was a knock by the "scouts". After watching him more this year and paying attention to him, even on running plays and what not... dude can block. The effort is there, that's for sure. Not saying he has the best technique or is great manning up, but the effort is there and he understands the importance... which is a good thing.

Many of the catches he's made have in fact been over the middle. The only knock that I have on him (besides speed which is still somewhat unknown) is that he's dropped some catchable balls. To be fair though, the one's that I've seen him drop weren't easy catches. We're talking going up over the middle in coverage and not coming down with the ball. Catches he'll have to make in the NFL, but not easy ones.

[Broncoman13]

Speed isn't the end all, but I also haven't seen too many scouts say that he plays faster than he times... which is important. Guys like Hines, Rod, Rice, and Eddy Mac play(ed) faster than they timed.

[anthonypacino]

Marshall looked awesome in the hula bowl and would definitely be worth a gamble. I still like Vernon or Santonio early though.
Are you kidding, I would love to get Santonio Holmes here, but he will be gone by the time we are up, I wouldn't doubt if Detroit picked him up the way they have drafted in the last few years.Hilarious!

[Perry1977]

The big knock on Marshall is that he reportedly runs a 4.73 40. He won't be able to prove himself as faster at the combine this year, either, as he was not invited. I too think he will be a steal if we can get him in the 3rd. I am sure he will have private workouts to let scouts time him in the 40.

[anthonypacino]

The big knock on Marshall is that he reportedly runs a 4.73 40. He won't be able to prove himself as faster at the combine this year, either, as he was not invited. I too think he will be a steal if we can get him in the 3rd. I am sure he will have private workouts to let scouts time him in the 40.
thanks for the info, the games that I got to see him in he looked faster than 4.7, he wasn't a burner but had "game speed" i haven't seen enough of him to know about his toughness and durability, I know he played defense last year so he is at least that tough, would you project him as a possession guy able to make the tough catch in the middle? I think the 3rd round would be a big steal for us.

[RMT]

War Room analysis
Strengths: Is productive with good size and strength. Uses good quickness and experience to beat the jams and get upfield. Shows good hip movement to change directions quickly at top speed, and shows a good burst out of cuts. Recognizes coverages well, finds soft spots against zones and beats man-to-man coverages with sharp routes and good position. Is tough. Makes plays over the middle, snatching passes on the run in traffic. Is productive after the catch.

Weaknesses: Lacks elite speed. Doesn’t get separation or pull away from elite defenders. Drops too many passes, but has improved and become more natural with experience.

Bottom line: If he had more pure speed, Hagan would be a top pick in the '06 draft. He must show improved speed this fall and in pre-draft workouts. He is tough and productive and has the potential to be a real good possession receiver in the NFL.


another....

Strengths:
Has solid size...Is a smart and cagey receiver who just knows how to get open...Runs good routes...Is more quick than fast...Tough and will lay his body on the line...Does a solid job of running after the catch...Never gives up on a play...Adjusts well to bad throws...Overachiever who gets the most out of his ability...Very productive...The type who does everything well but nothing great.

Weaknesses:
Does not have great pure speed...Is not a deep threat...Will still drop some catchable passes and hands are somewhat questionable...May have trouble separating from pro defensive backs...Is not a great blocker...Does not work the middle of the field much...May not have a lot of upside at the next level.

Notes:
An excellent college receiver who you have to temper your excitement about as a prospect due to his lack of ideal physical tools...Can be a great #2 receiver in the pros but to expect much more from him is probably being a little too optimistic.

sounds like a poor man's slow Darius Watts.

[anthonypacino]

sounds like a poor man's slow Darius Watts.
maybe Hagen I think Marshall could be better. Hagen didn't look too well in the practices I have seen this week.

[Elway777]

[THE HUDDLE REPORT]
Brandon Marshall WR Central Florida
Strengths

Brandon is a big, strong, tall, powerful receiver. He has very strong hands and catches the ball away from his body. He shows excellent quickness for his size and has a great burst off the line of scrimmage. Brandon does a very good job blocking and shows excellent leadership skills. He looks to be an excellent teammate and at this stage of the draft, does not seem to be on anyone's radar screen except for ours here at THR.

Needs to Improve

Some people will suggest that he might be a TE. Trust me, he is too quick in and out of his breaks to waste at TE, although if you want to put him in the slot on third and long, he will impact.

Bottom Line

I think the most intriguing aspect of Brandon?s game is that he has a relativity short stride for such a large person. We are definitely talking about 1st round talent that should be picked sometime the first day, but you never know what will happen in a draft. Brandon?s first step off the line is large, but quick. Then I notice that he never over-strides after that first step. This keeps him on balance to make quick cuts, stops and fakes while he is running his routes at full speed. At his size, he is probably the quickest in and out of his breaks that I've ever seen. This makes his 40-yd speed, no matter what it is, a non-issue. He has very strong "run after catch" abilities along with strong hands -- and is mentally tough. He is also just learning the WR position. He really wants to be ?the man?, but also understands how he should fit in a team concept. Personally I wouldn't hesitate to take Brandon at the end of the first round, but as you all know, that?s just me and not the reality of where a player will actually go in the draft. To be truthful, isn?t that what THR is all about -- the ability to project when a player will be taken in the draft? THR is not solely about profiling players. What makes THR so valuable to so many GM?s, Head Coaches, Directors of Scouting, National TV Commentators and Player Agents is the over 80% accuracy rating of what round or what day a player is projected to be picked in the draft. So now, I have profiled a sleeper. It should be fun to see how many people agree with me before the draft and then where he gets picked. I think Brandon has big time written all over him. A new Marshall has come to town and he?s ready to clean up. His name is Marshall Brandon! (Or is it Brandon Marshall? I always get that mixed up!)
by Drew Boylhart

THR

January 2006

[BroncoInferno]

I want to get this guy. Hopefully he remain under the radar and be available in round 3.

[elsid13]

Sounds like a second day pick, due to the speed issue. Watching Hagan catch yesterday, this guy has as much potential as Hagan does.

[anthonypacino]

I hope someone in the front office might read this thread, I still want Marshall bad, unless by the grace of the football gods Santonio Holmes falls to us (thats just the homer in me) I think Marshall would fit into Denver's O better.

[Denver Crush]

sounds like a poor man's slow Darius Watts.

Except this guy can catch.

[27atwater]

2 best WRs noone is paying attention to: brandon marshall and greg jennings.

[broncohaven]

Marshall ran faster than Stovall and had the same time as Nance: 4.55, and outwieghs both by more than 1o pounds.

Hagan looked woeful at the combine, and Hass looked better than anyone I saw in catching drills.

[Perry1977]

Yup, thankfully (for him anyways), Brandon got a late invite to the combine and did well. He will be gone by the end of the second round.

[anthonypacino]

Denver better use one of the first rounders on him, or trade on for another 2nd this year and a 3 next year. I have been watching this kid for awhile licking my chops.

[broncohaven]

1st round? I don't think so. Maybe if he's there in the 2nd, but not before that.

[anthonypacino]

1st round? I don't think so. Maybe if he's there in the 2nd, but not before that.
I know, I am just eager...don't want anyone else to grab him before we have a chance to.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I think he will be one of those guys who is rated vastly differently by different clubs. Seems to happen with these guys will great athletic ability but little exposure

[anthonypacino]

I think he will be one of those guys who is rated vastly differently by different clubs. Seems to happen with these guys will great athletic ability but little exposure
That might be the case. I really think he is a find though. It is so hit and miss, look at all the WR talent the Lions went and got and only one has had marginal success, Fitzgerald and Boldin are the only ones that first spring to mind that have lived up to the hype.

[anthonypacino]

just bumping this up to keep him fresh in everyone's mind

[elsid13]

just bumping this up to keep him fresh in everyone's mind


And ensure that I get really pissed off when Denver passes on him to selects some hurt CB. ;D

[Rohirrim]

Marshall ran faster than Stovall and had the same time as Nance: 4.55, and outwieghs both by more than 1o pounds.

Hagan looked woeful at the combine, and Hass looked better than anyone I saw in catching drills.

Haas is the guy I want. I can't believe people keep complaining about his downfield speed. He's not a downfield receiver!!! He runs beautiful routes, he can cut short, over the middle, quick outs, whatever you need - except the deep ball! And he catches everything that comes to him. He's perfect for what the Broncos need right now. It just cracks me up. It's like saying Hines Ward can't stretch the field like TO can so we don't want him. ROFL!

[anthonypacino]

Haas is the guy I want. I can't believe people keep complaining about his downfield speed. He's not a downfield receiver!!! He runs beautiful routes, he can cut short, over the middle, quick outs, whatever you need - except the deep ball! And he catches everything that comes to him. He's perfect for what the Broncos need right now. It just cracks me up. It's like saying Hines Ward can't stretch the field like TO can so we don't want him. ROFL!
I didn't get to see alot of Pac-10 ball this year, how is his downfield blocking? If he can block like Hines Ward I wouldn't mind seeing him on our team instead of Charlie Adams or Todd Devoe (Of course we would draft him AFTER we pick up Brandon Marshall)

[Broncoman13]

Nobody has said much about this but Derek Hagan, who was expected to run in the mid 4.5s ran a quick 4.42 at the combine. I've not seen it discussed around here which is somewhat suprising. I think the general concensus is that he'll go in the late 2nd to early 3rd. I wouldn't mind going a different direction at 15 (as opposed to CJax) and drafting Hagan at 61.

[Lestat]

it's been discussed but no one but Hagan fans care cause Jackson & Holmes are the only 1st round WR's with Moss being a potential one

Hagan is a 2nd rounder unless a team just likes him, Holmes & Jackson have set the bar & placed themselves above the rest of the pack

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I like Hagan, but probably not in round one. Great size, route running, leader and blocker (despite what a couple of the dumb azz "experts" think). It is a myth he can't catch the ball - he had a bad combine, but he proved over the last two years he can catch the ball in games.

[phisig150]

Oskie never said take him round 1. I'd love to take him round 2. He's going to be a steal. He had a great year. After the year ended different story. He's still the reciever I want.

[watermock]

We draft late in the second, so who knows. I know nothing about him. I can't find him anywhere in our mock draft. Can I trade Ed Hinkle in the 5th?

[anthonypacino]

Nobody has said much about this but Derek Hagan, who was expected to run in the mid 4.5s ran a quick 4.42 at the combine. I've not seen it discussed around here which is somewhat suprising. I think the general concensus is that he'll go in the late 2nd to early 3rd. I wouldn't mind going a different direction at 15 (as opposed to CJax) and drafting Hagan at 61.
I watched him in the senior bowl practice with the NFL coaches and he had a horrible time doing anything, I didn't get to see Hagan alot just his highlights, so I really can't say too much. I am still high on Marshall though, I got to see a handful of his games, he will be a late round steal, 2nd or 3rd my guess. He isn' mentioned in many articles or magazines cause of his school and the fact he was a late addition to the combine. PLEASE SHANNY, DRAFT JUST ONE GUY I HAVE PICKED JUST ONCE

[elpasojoe]

Marshall ran faster than Stovall and had the same time as Nance: 4.55, and outwieghs both by more than 1o pounds.

Hagan looked woeful at the combine, and Hass looked better than anyone I saw in catching drills.


I like Marshall but I might like Hass better. Watched him during the combine and he just looks more polished, disciplined and more mature than the other prospects. Actually I would like to have both. I'll bet Marshall is a day two pick. I'll bet Hass is a third rounder. We don't have a third rounder, and at the second round he would be a reach. Let's trade for a third rounder-there is going to be a lot of talent there!

[anthonypacino]

Just bumping this up so the lurkers in the FO will see his name again. lol

[anthonypacino]

Yes!!!!!
The Future Looks Bright To Me!!!

[Cito Pelon]

"Is a smart and cagey receiver who just knows how to get open...Runs good routes...Is more quick than fast."

Sounds like just what Denver needs for Plummer to get to the next level.

[-Slap-]

Yes!!!!!
The Future Looks Bright To Me!!!
Nice job.

:strong:

[Lestat]

wow he sounds like Rod Smith with size, i mean Rod is no small dude at 6-0 200 but 6-5 230 & uses technique to get open rather than speed while also playing quick instead of fast is right up Rod's alley, plus he loves being able to learn from Rod

[-Slap-]

He was a man among boys at the Hula Bowl. I whined about this pick when it happened, but I feel real good about Marshall now. He could bring a dimension to the offense we've been lacking since Eddie Mac retired.

[Rascal]

I liked this pick from the start, the pick I don't like is the Hixon pick.

[elsid13]

I liked this pick from the start, the pick I don't like is the Hixon pick.


Which means that Hixon will be a star and Marshall will be cut in camp. :D

[-Slap-]

Which means that Hixon will be a star and Marshall will be cut in camp. :D
And I will be free to say I didn't like the Marshall pick on draft day.

:thanku:

[Requiem]

I liked this pick from the start, the pick I don't like is the Hixon pick.

Agreed. I was hoping we'd go for a guy like Orien Harris there. Plus, there were better "returners" on board as well. Which is what it seems like his niche will be when he's on the team. (I assume he'll make it being a fourth rounder, but hey - Clarett didn't)

[elsid13]

And I will be free to say I didn't like the Marshall pick on draft day.

:thanku:


Well I won't have that excuse, I liked him for awhile. See my post who I wanted a while back

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1027452&postcount=17

notice I got three picks that Denver actually pulled.

[-Slap-]

Well I won't have that excuse, I liked him for awhile. See my post who I wanted a while back

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1027452&postcount=17

notice I got three picks that Denver actually pulled.
Nice shooting, Tex.

^5

[elsid13]

Nice shooting, Tex.

^5


I was lucky, like the mullet that win the 100 million dollar lottery. Nothing special

[-Slap-]

Just to clarify: If Marshall blows up, I liked the pick. If he sucks, I hated the pick.

[elsid13]

Just to clarify: If Marshall blows up, I liked the pick. If he sucks, I hated the pick.


Popps would call that a TJ choice.

[GonzoLays]

I watched him in the senior bowl practice with the NFL coaches and he had a horrible time doing anything, I didn't get to see Hagan alot just his highlights, so I really can't say too much. I am still high on Marshall though, I got to see a handful of his games, he will be a late round steal, 2nd or 3rd my guess. He isn' mentioned in many articles or magazines cause of his school and the fact he was a late addition to the combine. PLEASE SHANNY, DRAFT JUST ONE GUY I HAVE PICKED JUST ONCE

Pacino, you are the man!

[Kaylore]

Just to clarify: If Marshall blows up, I liked the pick. If he sucks, I hated the pick.
Oh, of course, of course. :yep:

[BroncoBuff]

I didn't get to see alot of Pac-10 ball this year, how is his downfield blocking? If he can block like Hines Ward I wouldn't mind seeing him on our team instead of Charlie Adams or Todd Devoe (Of course we would draft him AFTER we pick up Brandon Marshall)
DUDE! You were ALL OVER this guy! Bravo!

[anthonypacino]

DUDE! You were ALL OVER this guy! Bravo!
Thanks alot, now it's up to him to not make look a fool:thumbsup:

[MrPeepers]

2 best WRs noone is paying attention to: brandon marshall and greg jennings.


I think you may have nailed this!