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epicSocialism4tw
01-23-2006, 07:32 PM
You want expert analysis? Do you crave proper recognition? Well, you might find yourself on the right thread. I have come to save the day with midseason awards that are right on the money! Angryllama will not be held responsible for any poor takes, homeristic picks, irrational thoughts, etc. Read at your own risk.

Well...here we go. Lets start with the big one:

NBA MVP
Dirk Nowitzki

There has been no player on any team who has contributed more to their team's success on a quality team this season. My qualifications for the award are: the player's team has to be in position for a first round home series, the player has to have 'carried the load' for his team constently all season, the player has to contribute in several statistical categories, the player has to take over in crunch time, the player has to play well with teammates, and make his team better.

Dirk fits the above qualifications better than any other player in the NBA. He scores virtually at will, is committed to wins and making his teammates better, his defensive play has improved dramatically, he scores rebounds, gets assists, steals, blocks, shoots a high % at the stripe, from the floor, and from 3. He has added some post moves to his arsenal. Like Steve Nash, Dirk is the ultimate team player and is committed to doing whatever it takes to get his team victories. Dirk manifests this idea by being committed to making the defensive effort, adding new facets to his game every offseason to better serve his team (last season it was help-side defense and post moves, this season it was passing, interior defense, and more post moves), and being a good locker room guy off of the court.

Dirk got the jump on the award early in the season when he singlehandedly beat the Phoenix suns in Phoenix in the last 7 minutes of the game when the Mavs were playing lethargic ball. Dirk nailed 3 consecutive 3 pointers and hit a couple of free throws in an 11-0 Dirk vs. Phoenix run that ended up an overtime Mavs victory. Dirk has played at that level all season long. In fact, Dirk is the NBA.com "Nestle Crunch Time" stat leader and has been for the entire season.

Dirk is having an outstanding season all around and his team is on it's way to unseating the Spurs atop the Southwest division. They currently are tied for the best record in the west.


Runners up: 2. Steve Nash, 3. Tim Duncan, 4. Lebron James, 5. Dwayne Wade

epicSocialism4tw
01-23-2006, 07:38 PM
All-NBA Team:
1st team:
G Steve Nash
G Kobe Bryant
F Lebron James
F Dirk Nowitzki
C Tim Duncan

2nd Team:
G Chauncey Billups
G Dwayne Wade
F Paul Pierce
F Kevin Garnett
C Ben Wallace

3rd Team:
G Allen Iverson
G Ray Allen
F Carmelo Anthony
F Elton Brand
C Marcus Camby

epicSocialism4tw
01-23-2006, 07:49 PM
NBA Coach of the Year
Avery Johnson

At some point, this guy is going to have to get some credit. The Mavs are a much better team right now than they have been since they took the Lakers to 7 games in the 1988 Western Conference Finals. Dallas consistently beats the best teams in the league (San Antonio and Detroit), and sports a western conference leading 31-10 record despite having just starting to hit their stride with a full lineup (almost) and extended floor time.

The signing of DeSagana Diop just might have been the best of the offseason. The guy was brought in for 3 million a season and has now beat out Erick Dampier to become the starter. Diop and Adrian Griffin are both AJ guys and they have been awesome assets that nobody else could use. Dirk's game has been raised under AJ, Harris is becoming one of the best young PG's in the NBA, Terry is flourishing, and many other Mavs players are having excellent seasons.

The Mavs are 46-12 under Johnson for a sparkling .793 win %. That is an unbelievable stat. This is a first year coach who left the NBA before last season! AJ is making history right now under the media's noses without recognition. He deserves the award this season if the Mavs continue to win at their current pace.

Clockwork Orange
01-23-2006, 09:37 PM
Nice to see a completely unbiased presentation of the awards. ;D

epicSocialism4tw
01-23-2006, 09:41 PM
Nice to see a completely unbiased presentation of the awards. ;D

Well, all of my choices are legit contenders and should be considered in the top couple of picks for each award. I do believe that it's time for Dallas to get some natl. attention as far as awards go. Avery and Dirk are both having outstanding seasons.

The all-NBA team stuff is probably the most correct. I wouldnt be surprised if it ends up looking exactly like that.

Clockwork Orange
01-23-2006, 09:44 PM
I'd nominate Carmelo for most improved player, but I think Boris Diaw has a stranglehold that one.

epicSocialism4tw
01-23-2006, 09:53 PM
Rookie of the Year
Chris Paul

Bogut looks like a big-time center in a couple of seasons, but Paul is there this season.

Sixth Man of the Year
Mike Miller

Most Improved Player
Boris Diaw (thank you Steve Nash)

Defensive Player of the Year
Ben Wallace

Clockwork Orange
01-23-2006, 10:25 PM
Rookie of the Year
Chris Paul

Bogut looks like a big-time center in a couple of seasons, but Paul is there this season.

I said it on draft day and I'll say it again here. Thank you Utah for passing on Chris Paul to take Deron Williams.

Most Improved Player
Boris Diaw (thank you Steve Nash)

I'm convinced that they could put a tree stump on the court and Nash would make a scorer out of it.

Defensive Player of the Year
Ben Wallace

This one burns me a little only because Marcus Camby would have been in the mix for this award if not for his broken pinky.

Al Wilson
01-23-2006, 10:34 PM
A fan from the chokes Mavs?

I'de take Bosh for most improved.

MVP = Chauncey

-Slap-
01-23-2006, 10:43 PM
You want expert analysis? Do you crave proper recognition? Well, you might find yourself on the right thread. I have come to save the day with midseason awards that are right on the money! Angryllama will not be held responsible for any poor takes, homeristic picks, irrational thoughts, etc. Read at your own risk.

Well...here we go. Lets start with the big one:

NBA MVP
http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/CAMB104012300_lower.jpg

:strong:

epicSocialism4tw
01-23-2006, 11:18 PM
:strong:

He's your MVP if you like narcissistic, self-involved losers who like to prop themselves up on stats in some sort of me-first revenge tour for those who still believe that he's a low life and a rapist.

His team is weak. They have no shot at a championship this season. The guy hoists up 30 shots a game and his teammates stand around and watch. It's not like they dont have other players, but Bryant is more than happy to play one-on-one ball the whole game. He gets pushed aside on the list because of guys who play team ball and actually play on teams that are going places. Nowitzki, Nash, and Duncan are the top guys, followed by Lebron. Bryant should just join the And-1 Mixtape tour and get on with it.

Obviously, I dont like Bryant a bit. He'll have alot of fun with his also-ran Lakers and they'll get beat by the good teams. He's the most unlikeable player in all of sports.

epicSocialism4tw
01-23-2006, 11:24 PM
This one burns me a little only because Marcus Camby would have been in the mix for this award if not for his broken pinky.

Yeah...Camby has played very well. He still could get the award.

Clockwork Orange
01-23-2006, 11:27 PM
He's the most unlikeable player in all of sports.

I have to disagree there.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050224/050224_bonds_vmed_7p.widec.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
01-23-2006, 11:33 PM
I have to disagree there.


Well, it's a toss up between those two IMO! Barroid is pretty unbearable. Oddly enough, he and Bryant are both equally self-absorbed. Nice observation. (Slap wont like that one bit!)

Clockwork Orange
01-23-2006, 11:39 PM
Well, it's a toss up between those two IMO! Barroid is pretty unbearable. Oddly enough, he and Bryant are both equally self-absorbed. Nice observation. (Slap wont like that one bit!)

Call Kobe what you will (and I'm nowhere near a fan of his myself), but he doesn't inject any illegal substances into his body to help him score 81.

He's selfish and arrogant to the Nth degree, but he's not a cheater. That puts him at least a rung or two lower on the asshole ladder with me.

epicSocialism4tw
01-23-2006, 11:41 PM
Hey Slap, remember awhile back when Shaq was on the market and we debated about what he would be worth and whether or not the Mavs could get him? I just though I would remind you what has happened to our two franchises since that summer and what was done with the assets that the Lakers could have secured. Any mix of Nash, Jamison, and Walker combined with the young guys....

Steve Nash (do I need to explain)
Antawn Jamison (just as good as Odom)
Devin Harris (you dont think Bryant would like a solid young PG?)
Antoine Walker (15 million of immediate cap releif would have been nice)
Josh Howard (perfect utility player...I'd take him over Odom every time)
Marquis Daniels (has had flashes of brilliance when he's not hurt)

...all for Shaq. Tisk tisk. Kupcheck couldnt send Shaq to Dallas because he was afraid of being the inferior team. Well, he's now become the inferior club without the wealth of assets that now has the Mavs sitting pretty atop the West for the next 5-10 years. I wonder how it feels to have Mark Cuban's personnel decisions overshadowing your own?

epicSocialism4tw
01-23-2006, 11:46 PM
Call Kobe what you will (and I'm nowhere near a fan of his myself), but he doesn't inject any illegal substances into his body to help him score 81.

He's selfish and arrogant to the Nth degree, but he's not a cheater. That puts him at least a rung or two lower on the a-hole ladder with me.


To say he's not a cheater is presumptive. The last two times they have played Dallas, I have seen Bryant intentionally elbow Nowitzki in the face. Josh Howard got him back in the second game by literally clotheslining him on his way to the rim. The following game, Bryant actually got caught doing that same thing to Mike Miller and got suspended.

Bryant is a scumbag, and anyone who can rationalize rooting for that guy is operating on some ethical level that people should find reprehensible.

Clockwork Orange
01-23-2006, 11:52 PM
To say he's not a cheater is presumptive. The last two times they have played Dallas, I have seen Bryant intentionally elbow Nowitzki in the face. Josh Howard got him back in the second game by literally clotheslining him on his way to the rim. The following game, Bryant actually got caught doing that same thing to Mike Miller and got suspended.

That's not cheating, that's just playing dirty. Bruce Bowen is just as bad, if not worse, as are several other NBA players.

I'd consider Manu Ginobli and his endless flopping to be more of a "cheater" then Kobe.

Jens1893
01-24-2006, 12:24 AM
i loved the knicks of old with charles oakley, john starks etc. when they made you pay for driving to the basket.

isnt flip saunders a lock for coach of the year with the season the pistons are having and talk of them winning 70?

eddie mac
01-24-2006, 04:25 PM
How on earth anyone can suggest another player over Kobe for MVP is total insanity. The white-coated gentlemen may be paying you a visit.

Nuggets4
01-24-2006, 04:33 PM
Llama, you are seriously the biggest homer I have ever met.

Wow.

-Slap-
01-24-2006, 05:07 PM
Llama, you are seriously the biggest homer I have ever met.

Wow.
Its almost endearing.

FADERPROOF
01-24-2006, 05:32 PM
You want expert analysis? Do you crave proper recognition? Well, you might find yourself on the right thread. I have come to save the day with midseason awards that are right on the money! Angryllama will not be held responsible for any poor takes, homeristic picks, irrational thoughts, etc. Read at your own risk.

Well...here we go. Lets start with the big one:

NBA MVP
Dirk Nowitzki



Well, that didn't take too long to toss all credibility out the window.

-Slap-
01-24-2006, 05:38 PM
Well, that didn't take too long to toss all credibility out the window.
heeheeheeeeeee

Nuggets4
01-24-2006, 05:40 PM
Its almost endearing.

Almost.

Well, that didn't take too long to toss all credibility out the window.

I've been hit or miss on Cavs games lately, but it's nice to see Bron passing the ball more again. I was getting worried that he was going to get so frustrated he would pull a Kobe. He's better than that. One day we'll see him average a triple double.

FADERPROOF
01-24-2006, 05:46 PM
Almost.



I've been hit or miss on Cavs games lately, but it's nice to see Bron passing the ball more again. I was getting worried that he was going to get so frustrated he would pull a Kobe. He's better than that. One day we'll see him average a triple double.

It's nice to see him pass, unless it's a last second shot to win the game, which ever since he bricked it against the Lakers, he's passed on it for guys like Eric Snow and Donyell Marshall to take.

Seriously, if I ever have to witness Eric Snow taking the last shot in attempt to either tie or win the game for us, I might just take myself to the hospital right after because I know that either a heart attack or an aneurysm is soon to follow.

We had a nice little 1-5 road trip, lost 3 of those games by a combined 4 points until we all decided to sit on the bench and watch Golden State dismantle them, but we got to play the Jazz, which I'm still unsure if that Utah team could beat the Utah University.

Nuggets4
01-24-2006, 05:51 PM
I'm still unsure if that Utah team could beat the Utah University.

God bless the Northwest division. As for Bron, he'll come around. I'm assuming in high school he didn't exactly have a lot of close games where he had to be clutch. He'll come around, he's too hard of a worker and too good of a player to not.

epicSocialism4tw
01-24-2006, 05:56 PM
Well, that didn't take too long to toss all credibility out the window.

Well, yeah...I even gave a nice little preface to the picks. If you guys have another pick for awards, then give some reasons for your players and some comparison. I know from other posts that some of you guys have no idea what goes on in Dallas, so I wouldnt expect you to know why Nowitzki should be the league MVP this season or why and how Avery Johnson is making history. The media doesnt give them any account nationally, so I would expect people that get their information from basketball magazine shows to be a little undereducated.

My picks may be "homeriffic" but they are sound. Every person I chose deserves the award. Now when people start throwing Iverson (and now Bryant) into the conversation, I have to laugh. Both of those guys are losers and will continue to be until they retire. How can they be the most valuable player when they dont know how to win, and when they dont respect their teammates? Unfortunately, the average fan cant see past sportscenter, and is unable to dig a little deeper.

FADERPROOF
01-24-2006, 06:02 PM
God bless the Northwest division. As for Bron, he'll come around. I'm assuming in high school he didn't exactly have a lot of close games where he had to be clutch. He'll come around, he's too hard of a worker and too good of a player to not.


That's the thing, he is only 21 years old.

True he's the chosen one, the king, the next MJ, and all of that other stuff that gets thrown on him, but he's still just ready to hit his prime and soon enough, those shots will fall at the end of the game.

I just hope the Cavs can be competitive enough for him to stick around during his prime years.

-Slap-
01-24-2006, 06:03 PM
Well, yeah...I even gave a nice little preface to the picks. If you guys have another pick for awards, then give some reasons for your players and some comparison. I know from other posts that some of you guys have no idea what goes on in Dallas, so I wouldnt expect you to know why Nowitzki should be the league MVP this season or why and how Avery Johnson is making history. The media doesnt give them any account nationally, so I would expect people that get their information from basketball magazine shows to be a little undereducated.

My picks may be "homeriffic" but they are sound. Every person I chose deserves the award. Now when people start throwing Iverson (and now Bryant) into the conversation, I have to laugh. Both of those guys are losers and will continue to be until they retire. How can they be the most valuable player when they dont know how to win, and when they dont respect their teammates? Unfortunately, the average fan cant see past sportscenter, and is unable to dig a little deeper.
So Kobe doesn't have three Championships, compared to the Mavericks franchise who is zero for their existence when it comes to Championship hardware?

-Slap-
01-24-2006, 06:05 PM
You had one chance to really contend for a title, Llama, probably before you were born. Jerry Buss got a wild hair up his ass and nearly tried to trade James Worthy to Dallas for Roy Tarpley and Mark Agguire. Jerry West told the old satyr he would quit on the spot and Buss backed off.

epicSocialism4tw
01-24-2006, 06:07 PM
So Kobe doesn't have three Championships, compared to the Mavericks franchise who is zero for their existence when it comes to Championship hardware?

First, I refuse to call him "Kobe" and will instead go with "Unsavory Character."

Next, I will recall the great Shaq who carried that team to victory like a great center should. And when I evoke that name, the Unsavory Character disappears into a puff of smoke as he flies off on his broom.

epicSocialism4tw
01-24-2006, 06:11 PM
You had one chance to really contend for a title, Llama, probably before you were born. Jerry Buss got a wild hair up his ass and nearly tried to trade James Worthy to Dallas for Roy Tarpley and Mark Agguire. Jerry West told the old satyr he would quit on the spot and Buss backed off.

Yeah..I remember those days. I was still in Oklahoma then, so I didnt get as much information, but that Dallas team took your Laker girls to 7 and nearly pulled it off.

Dallas was also close in '02-'03. I was at the game 6 of the WCF when they lost to the Spurs. Nash was in fine form. Nowitzki missed that game and the previous two games with a severe sprain, and Dallas just couldnt last. If Nowitzki was there, that series would have gone to 7 games and the Mavs could have won. The Finals were a joke after that series. I think that the Spurs waltzed over the Nets in 4 games.

RhymesayersDU
01-24-2006, 07:20 PM
hahahahahahahha @ AI being a loser. Too funny.

RhymesayersDU
01-24-2006, 07:33 PM
As for Bron, he'll come around.

Quoted for truth. I remember, years ago, watching this game between the Lakers and Magic. In orlando I believe. Anyways, this is like Kobe's first or second year or something. Maybe 3rd. Anyways, Lakers are losing, down 2 or 3, and Kobe gets the ball in the corner, wide open. I mean, nobody within 5 feet of him type open...

...Brick. Lakers Lose.

Now, Kobe being "open" is having just one guy guarding him, and he nails everything. LeBron will get there.

epicSocialism4tw
01-24-2006, 07:34 PM
hahahahahahahha @ AI being a loser. Too funny.

Maybe loser was a little harsh...his team is an even .500 over his career (excluding this season - where he's a surprising 20-20). 353-353 to be exact. He's one game away from being a loser. My bad. He must be an extremely valuable player in comparison to others in the league when you think about it. He's kept that team mired in mediocrity for a long time. That's hard to do. Especially this season when you have young studs Iguodala, Dalembert, Korver and the smart vet Webber to play with. That team is not short on talent, it's short on shots because Iverson wont give it up to help develop his young guys into winners.

Nowitzki on the other hand is 334-208 for a .623 win % and is working on a 31-10 season right now. Iverson takes more shots and gets more whistles from the refs though, so you're right. He's a winner.

FADERPROOF
01-24-2006, 07:42 PM
Well, yeah...I even gave a nice little preface to the picks. If you guys have another pick for awards, then give some reasons for your players and some comparison. I know from other posts that some of you guys have no idea what goes on in Dallas, so I wouldnt expect you to know why Nowitzki should be the league MVP this season or why and how Avery Johnson is making history. The media doesnt give them any account nationally, so I would expect people that get their information from basketball magazine shows to be a little undereducated.

My picks may be "homeriffic" but they are sound. Every person I chose deserves the award. Now when people start throwing Iverson (and now Bryant) into the conversation, I have to laugh. Both of those guys are losers and will continue to be until they retire. How can they be the most valuable player when they dont know how to win, and when they dont respect their teammates? Unfortunately, the average fan cant see past sportscenter, and is unable to dig a little deeper.

The thing is, you seem to ONLY know what goes on in dallas, and not anywhere else.

epicSocialism4tw
01-24-2006, 07:50 PM
The thing is, you seem to ONLY know what goes on in dallas, and not anywhere else.

Nah...I watch basketball of all sorts. I choose to promote Dallas because they deserve it. There is some kind of pervading public attitude about Dallas that mirrors the same one that we Bronco fans had to endure about the Broncos this offseason.

Dallas is for real this season, and right now they look like the best team in the west. That's because of two people: Dirk Nowitzki and Avery Johnson. Guys have been injured on that team all season long, and Dirk has performed miracle after miracle on the floor. There is no other player out there leading a winning club like that. Dallas is playing at a 31-10 clip and has not hit their stride yet. I think that with Duncan's foot injury and Ginobili hobbled, Dallas has to be the favorite for the West's #1 seed. Dallas has been able to overcome those types of injuries this season and has still hung with SA, so we'll see how it goes.

Dallas is 2-1 against San Antonio and Detroit and wore Detroit out handing them their first loss of the season 119-82.

RhymesayersDU
01-24-2006, 07:58 PM
Maybe loser was a little harsh...his team is an even .500 over his career (excluding this season - where he's a surprising 20-20). 353-353 to be exact. He's one game away from being a loser. My bad. He must be an extremely valuable player in comparison to others in the league when you think about it. He's kept that team mired in mediocrity for a long time. That's hard to do. Especially this season when you have young studs Iguodala, Dalembert, Korver and the smart vet Webber to play with. That team is not short on talent, it's short on shots because Iverson wont give it up to help develop his young guys into winners.

Nowitzki on the other hand is 334-208 for a .623 win % and is working on a 31-10 season right now. Iverson takes more shots and gets more whistles from the refs though, so you're right. He's a winner.
By that logic, AI still kills your boy because he's taken his team to the Finals. He's at least given them a shot to win it all, which is more than we can say for Dirk.

AI is the man, and it's not his fault that early in his career with Philly they've had bad teams, been saddled with long contracts with old players, etc. They have never really had a great team. The team that went to the Finals wasn't even that great.

I'm not taking anything away from Dirk, I think he's a great player. But he's had way more around him then AI has. They've always been more talented and better coached then Philly. To say that AI is bad because his team's record is bad is ludicrous.

But hey, I forgot, this is angry's world, where Dirk gets no props from the media, is the real MVP, etc. Yeah, and AI sucks. So do Kirilenko, Paul Pierce, Jason Richardson, and a lot of guys who have been on bad teams.

epicSocialism4tw
01-24-2006, 08:09 PM
AI is the man, and it's not his fault that early in his career with Philly they've had bad teams, been saddled with long contracts with old players, etc. They have never really had a great team. The team that went to the Finals wasn't even that great.

I'm not taking anything away from Dirk, I think he's a great player. But he's had way more around him then AI has. They've always been more talented and better coached then Philly. To say that AI is bad because his team's record is bad is ludicrous.


As far as I'm concerned, Dallas made it to the Finals in '02-'03 and played the Spurs there...and nearly won. Put Dallas in the East in Iverson's year through today and Dallas waltzes through that conference until the modern Detroit team shows up. ANY NBA PLAYER can put up rediculous scoring statistics. Great ones let the statistics come to them.

Iverson is not a winner because he doesnt care to play team basketball. That team is not short on talent. Iguodala is a 2 way stud, Webber can still play, Korver is a really nice player, and Dalembert is one of the best centers in the NBA. Imagine any of those players in Phoenix. Their offensive stats would be through the ceiling. Especially Dalembert and Iguodala. Nash would make those guys contributors on a winner. That's what I'm talking about. Sacrificing your statistical legacy and your ego to win. Nowitzki and Nash both play by that creed. If your team is bad, then you find a way to make things better. It's obvious that Iverson really doesnt care to do that. He's making his money and guys like Stephen A. Smith are waiting to brown nose him to death. Why should he give up his shots? He's like a rap star.

So who is the better coach? Larry Brown, Don Nelson, or Avery Johnson?

RhymesayersDU
01-24-2006, 08:18 PM
To answer your last question first, it's Larry Brown. I can't wait to hear why it's not though.

But this has nothing to do with AI's ego. He's a scorer, that is what they pay him to do. Him and Nash are completely different players. Both good at what they do for their teams within their offenses. This year you're right, Philly isn't short on talent, especially in the East, but what have they had for the rest of the years AI has been there? Nothing! Igudala, I agree, good up and coming guy, this is what, his 2nd or 3rd year? They haven't even had Webber a full year. Korver is what, 3rd year too? And Dalembert is nice, but they haven't had him for all that long either, if I'm not mistaken. And he's not "one of the best centers in the NBA" either. They've had some poor teams, and AI has carried them on his back for years.

That's like saying Kobe is a loser this year. No, he's not. What is he supposed to do? Jordan could never do it on his own. The Lakers suck outside of Kobe, period. Odom is decent but the rest are simply not good.

Like I said, if you want to pull up records, fine, but AI is 0-1 in NBA Finals, which is still better then 0-0.

epicSocialism4tw
01-24-2006, 08:24 PM
To answer your last question first, it's Larry Brown. I can't wait to hear why it's not though.


Well, you said that Dirk's had better coaches. The general opinion in media circles is that Brown is one of the best ever.

RhymesayersDU
01-24-2006, 08:29 PM
Fair enough. But my point is, Dallas is so head and shoulders above Philly in everything, from ownership, to management, etc. When LB was in Philly they had a great coach, but other then that, Dallas kills them in everything, IMO.

FADERPROOF
01-24-2006, 08:37 PM
As far as I'm concerned, Dallas made it to the Finals in '02-'03 and played the Spurs there...and nearly won. Put Dallas in the East in Iverson's year through today and Dallas waltzes through that conference until the modern Detroit team shows up. ANY NBA PLAYER can put up rediculous scoring statistics. Great ones let the statistics come to them.

Iverson is not a winner because he doesnt care to play team basketball. That team is not short on talent. Iguodala is a 2 way stud, Webber can still play, Korver is a really nice player, and Dalembert is one of the best centers in the NBA. Imagine any of those players in Phoenix. Their offensive stats would be through the ceiling. Especially Dalembert and Iguodala. Nash would make those guys contributors on a winner. That's what I'm talking about. Sacrificing your statistical legacy and your ego to win. Nowitzki and Nash both play by that creed. If your team is bad, then you find a way to make things better. It's obvious that Iverson really doesnt care to do that. He's making his money and guys like Stephen A. Smith are waiting to brown nose him to death. Why should he give up his shots? He's like a rap star.

So who is the better coach? Larry Brown, Don Nelson, or Avery Johnson?

You have to have a tem around you to be a team player, which Philly has never really given Iverson.

Remember back when Philly had a good team i.e. the team that went to the finals, there were statistics that showed how much better the sixers record was when Iverson put up over 30 shots a game compared to when he puts up less. The sixers needed him to put it up, even if he wasnt hitting the shots, he led that team still.

Ever watch Iverson play D also? The guy can seriously clamp down out there and get steals, he is a very good defensive player.

Say what you want about his chracter, the guy gives 100% out there and is a great player, he is a hardworker out there and does the best to win games.

epicSocialism4tw
01-24-2006, 08:39 PM
You have to have a tem around you to be a team player, which Philly has never really given Iverson.

Remember back when Philly had a good team i.e. the team that went to the finals, there were statistics that showed how much better the sixers record was when Iverson put up over 30 shots a game compared to when he puts up less. The sixers needed him to put it up, even if he wasnt hitting the shots, he led that team still.

Ever watch Iverson play D also? The guy can seriously clamp down out there and get steals, he is a very good defensive player.

Say what you want about his chracter, the guy gives 100% out there and is a great player, he is a hardworker out there and does the best to win games.

Yeah...I dont deny that he's a tough player and one that tries, but he's not very smart.

epicSocialism4tw
01-24-2006, 09:12 PM
Here's some info on Iverson from Chris Broussard (ironically published Sunday, and I just found it on ESPN.com) that supports my assertions about his inability to cohere with teammates...

"A league source told me Chris Webber (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=1272) went off in the Sixers' locker room after the demolition by the Wizards. Frustrated by the team's mediocrity, Webber yelled at coaches and players alike while saying, in essence, he never gets the ball.

I'm not sure if he named Iverson directly, but I'm told it was clear he was calling out A.I., who dominates the rock and is averaging a whopping 25.8 shots a game, second only to King Kobe."


"A scout told me this week that Philly's defensive problems begin with A.I. and end with C-Webb. He said the fact that A.I. applies no pressure whatsoever when opposing point guards bring the ball up court allows teams to get into their offense too easily."

"Still, I (and to be honest, most execs around the league) wonder whether you can win big with A.I. dominating the rock so much. There's no doubt he is spectacular, arguably the best little man ever next to Isiah (he's ahead of Tiny in my book and only John Stockton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=326) compares).

I said before the season that A.I. probably should let Webber handle it more (because of his passing ability) and drop to about 24 ppg so Iguodala and John Salmons (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3624) can get more involved. I don't know if that would make the Sixers win more, but a coach told me this week that A.I.'s dominance has stunted the growth of Iguodala, who just about everyone thinks can be a star."

Broussard closes with this gem:

"If A.I. pulled back a bit offensively, it would allow him to exert more energy on defense, which would go a long way in solving the Sixers' No. 1 problem.

My guess is that nothing will change in Philly: They'll deny that any rift, or tension, exists between their stars; A.I. will challenge Kobe for the scoring and launches-per-game titles; and the Sixers will finish around .500, seventh in the East.

Then they'll get shellacked by Miami in the first round of the playoffs."

As Jim Rome would say: "Rack him."

Jens1893
01-27-2006, 04:13 AM
fyi, llama ... dirk was voted european player of the year with 378 votes ... jasiskevicius came second and tony parker third. dirk was unbelievable in the european championships where he carried the team to the final by himself.

epicSocialism4tw
01-27-2006, 10:30 AM
fyi, llama ... dirk was voted european player of the year with 378 votes ... jasiskevicius came second and tony parker third. dirk was unbelievable in the european championships where he carried the team to the final by himself.

Yeah...I read that today. He deserves it. I'm glad that he can get recognition over there. He is one of the top couple of players in the world and is right near the top of his game after turning 27 this year. We're only seeing the beginning of Dirk's best years. I wouldnt doubt that he wins the euro championships at some point over the next couple of seasons.

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2006, 11:16 PM
Just to reinforce my brilliant opinions (wait...they're not opinions, they're fact!)...

Avery Johnson was named WC coach of the month again. That's the third time out of the 4 months that he's been an NBA head coach that he's won the award. Dallas has also won 10 games in a row, all of which they held their opponents to under 100 points, setting a franchise record. Dallas has held its opponents in this streak to under 87 ppg and 41.5% FG shooting. That's good defense, people!

Barring a complete collapse, Avery is headed for coach of the year.

Nuggets4
02-02-2006, 10:08 AM
Barring a complete collapse, Avery is headed for coach of the year.

And ANOTHER season in which the Mavs fall short of the NBA finals.

Master___Pain
02-02-2006, 10:55 AM
Just to reinforce my brilliant opinions (wait...they're not opinions, they're fact!)...


Don't strain yourself patting yourself on the back;)

epicSocialism4tw
02-02-2006, 11:52 AM
Don't strain yourself patting yourself on the back;)

I was reaching so far that I think I pulled a muscle in my butt! LOL

epicSocialism4tw
02-02-2006, 12:01 PM
And ANOTHER season in which the Mavs fall short of the NBA finals.


It doesnt look like it right now. The Mavs have set the pace for the Western conference. The Spurs are fighting to keep up with them. The Mavs have challenged the Spurs to get their act together far before they have done in their recent years, and the Spurs have struggled to do so. That's not taking anything away from SA, who has done as well as Dallas in regards to dealing with setbacks.

The Mavs are 5-1 against the NBA's best. Including a 30+ point win over Detroit (Detroit's 1st loss of the season) and a 20 point victory over SA. Their only loss in that group was a 2 point loss to SA. That win total also includes 2 wins vs. Phoenix, including a season-opening 17 point comeback in the 4th period where Dirk dominated both ends of the floor scoring 3 straight 3 pointers to put the Mavs within a bucket on an 11-0 Dirk vs. Phoenix run. They have already dominated Miami, a full strength Indiana team, etc, etc.

Dallas is really good this season. If they win the west (which looks like a probability), they could topple the Spurs in the playoffs and represent the West against Detroit. Dallas is championship calibur this season. In the past, certain things had to improve for Dallas to make noise. That's not the case this season...they are a complete team and are actually one of the more physical interior teams in the NBA. They get most of their points in the paint and block shots as well as anyone in the NBA. They can score with anyone, defend with anyone, show more looks on offense and defense than anyone, are well coached, are the deepest team in the league, and have begun setting all-time records with their success this season.

You cant overlook them as being a function of their past. They are a different team. Nash (the Mav playoff dud) is in Phoenix. I could go on, but I doubt you have read this far anyhow...

RhymesayersDU
02-02-2006, 12:15 PM
All I'm gunna say is this. I'm impressed, the Mavs are in fact playing great.

BUT with that said, what about Flip Saunders? What about Mike D'Antoni?

Granted, Flip already had a great team, but still, they could reasonably win 70 games. That is something special.

And D'Antoni, everybody left that team for dead after Amare went down, and they're right there.

Again, this isn't Avery Johnson hate, but I'd take Flip and Mike over him, I think.

I also think that it could come down to Chauncy vs. Nash for MVP... Chauncy is leading that Piston squad, but same deal, Nash is carrying that team without it's best player.

epicSocialism4tw
02-02-2006, 01:36 PM
All I'm gunna say is this. I'm impressed, the Mavs are in fact playing great.

BUT with that said, what about Flip Saunders? What about Mike D'Antoni?

Granted, Flip already had a great team, but still, they could reasonably win 70 games. That is something special.

And D'Antoni, everybody left that team for dead after Amare went down, and they're right there.

Again, this isn't Avery Johnson hate, but I'd take Flip and Mike over him, I think.

I also think that it could come down to Chauncy vs. Nash for MVP... Chauncy is leading that Piston squad, but same deal, Nash is carrying that team without it's best player.

Well, you have to be consistent in the way you divvy up the accolades.

On Nash/D'Antoni:
I have heard direct quotes from D'Antoni and Nash where D'Antoni has said that Nash is the coach for that offense and basically makes all of the decisions. Think Peyton Manning. Nash is the brains and the athletic prowess behind that offense. In this case, I give the credit to Nash and take some of it from D'Antoni. Not to say that Mike does not contribute, but Nash's contributions are what makes that team win games. Nash is what gives them that extra kick. Even when Stoudamire plays. Nash is the Suns.
Nash avgs: 19.1 ppg, 11.5 apg, 4.4 rpg, 0.87 spg, .927 ft%

On Saunders/Billups:
Detroit is playing well and are motivated to win the championship. They have a more focused offense and are still playing tough D. Saunders has always been one of the top NBA coaches, IMO, and I wouldnt be disappointed at all if he won the award. He has kept the team on track for the first half of the season on the way to distancing themselves from the rest of the weak east. Billups is a piece of a team. To give him the award would be awarding him for what the team has accomplished. Billups makes some tough shots for that team and passes pretty well, but would you say that he means more to his team's success than Nash? The Pistons are a complete squad with other awesome players that would be stars no matter where they played. Wallace, Wallace, Hamilton, and Prince are all great athletic and versatile players. IMO, the only appropriate award for that team is the NBA Championship. The other awards dont fit. They dont tell the story. Remember, this is a team that hasnt dealt with the problems that Dallas, San Antonio, or Phoenix has.
Chauncey Billups: 19.3 ppg, 8.5 apg, 3.2 rpg, 0.7 spg, .920 ft%

On Avery Johnson/Dirk Nowitzki:
When considering Avery, you really have to look at what has happened in Dallas since the end of last season. Avery has set an all-time record for wins by a first year coach . You cant allow that to go uncommended. He has also won coach of the month 3 times out of his first 4 months as an NBA coach. He's getting recognized because he has taken an offensive powerhouse and added toughness and physicality to their style of play, and it's translated into championship basketball. The Mavs are playing better than the Spurs right now, and are looking good heading into the season's second half. Avery has taken the Mavs and moved them into the elite category. He has brought the best out of Dirk, Dampier, Diop, Adrian Griffin, Jason Terry, etc. Dirk is now one of the top couple of players in the league because Avery has made his game more consistent and proportioned his minutes properly. Avery and Dirk are the key to Dallas' success and they are both having great seasons. They are having the type of break out seasons that deserve national accolades. Avery has changed the mimdset of Mav basketball and made it more successful.
Dirk Nowitzki: 25.8 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 2.5 apg, 1.09 bpg, .470 fg%, .892 ft%

Montaq
02-13-2006, 09:02 AM
How on earth anyone can suggest another player over Kobe for MVP is total insanity. The white-coated gentlemen may be paying you a visit.

It's probably because the Lakers are only 25-25 and barely in the playoff hunt.

Montaq
02-13-2006, 09:03 AM
Llama, you are seriously the biggest homer I have ever met.

Wow.

For the record, I believe I'm the world's biggest Mavericks homer. ;D

epicSocialism4tw
02-15-2006, 10:52 PM
Just a few factoids for you guys in ESPiNville, USA...

Dallas is now the best team in the West at 42-11

Avery Johnson is now the All-Star coach due to his team's top record.

Only two team-leading players that score over 25 points and average at least 8 boards have ever lost MVP voting when their team wins games at the pace Dallas is: 78%. One of those was Amare Stoudemire and his teammate Nash won it that season. The other was a Celtic on those powerful Celtic teams. Dirk is the lone all-star on Dallas and has been the most reliable and effective player in the 4th quarter on any team. The guy is the definition of clutch. So which is it...Dallas has an all-star supporting cast, or Dirk is the MVP? After having watched almost every Mav game this season, Dirk is the MVP. It's his year. To snub him would be criminal. Can the excuses. The guy's the MVP.

Avery Johnson has made history as the best first year coach in the NBA annals. That cannot be ignored. Avery Johnson is coach of the year. Period, end of story. How can you say that another coach has done anything to rival making NBA history? We're talking about an all-time great performance here!

epicSocialism4tw
02-15-2006, 11:01 PM
More on Dirk...people are going to use the following argument against him: Chauncey Billups is the MVP because his team is better.

But are they really that much better? Dallas did stomp them by 37 points this season in their only matchup to give the Pistons their first loss. Dallas is 1 1/2 game behind them in the standings in spite of the Pistons' "greatness". Does that make Dallas great too, or does it make the Pistons overrated? Either way, Dallas becomes part of the conversation for the best team in the NBA and that is because of Dirk.

On that same theme (Billups v. Dirk), can you say that Dirk is less dispensible than Billups? Detroit has Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Rip Hamilton, and Tayshaun Prince. 4 out of those 5 starters are all-stars. How many all-stars does Dirk have to play with? ZERO. Not one. Not even close. Dirk is indispensible. If he goes down, Dallas' chances go down with him.

Dirk for MVP. It's a no-brainer.

Montaq
02-28-2006, 08:48 AM
I was worried last night when Dirk had to leave the game.

Heard anything on Dirk's ankle, llama?

epicSocialism4tw
02-28-2006, 10:11 AM
I was worried last night when Dirk had to leave the game.

Heard anything on Dirk's ankle, llama?

He sprained it to start the third and came back in the fourth to go for...ahhh...only 11 points and 5 boards to cap off a 32 point 13 board effort. All in a day's work for Dirk.

He and Howard both now have sprains heading into Thursdays all-world clash with San Antonio. Devin Harris and DJ Mbenga are also both injured. Dirk is expected to play, Howard is a maybe, Devin is a probably not, and I dont know about DJ.

Dirk has been the best player in the league since the all-star break. It's time for ESPiN and the rest of the media to sack up, take their lumps, and start admitting that Dirk is the MVP if the season ended today. He's had an outstanding Elway-esque season this year. To deny him first team accolades and an MVP trophy would be criminal at this point.

Montaq
02-28-2006, 10:59 AM
Dirk has been the best player in the league since the all-star break. It's time for ESPiN and the rest of the media to sack up, take their lumps, and start admitting that Dirk is the MVP if the season ended today. He's had an outstanding Elway-esque season this year. To deny him first team accolades and an MVP trophy would be criminal at this point.

You're preaching to the choir. It would be criminal if the Mavs continue at the pace they're on and Dirk doesn't win MVP.