Tossing out a idea

[DBroncos4life]

With it looking like the Texans will take Kubes from us and draft Bush, I kind of was thinking of a little trade with them. There remains a good chance that a good LT such as Texas boy Jonatan Scott, Eric Winston, or Marcus McNeill will be on the board when we pick with the Skins pick. We all know they could use the Oline help as well. Lets say we could make a move for more picks, would you and what would be the ideal trade for you? My first thought would be their second round pick in this years draft (1st overall in the second round). I would want more as well, that would be a starting point. The Skins gave up a 3rd, a 1st and a 4th for pretty much the same pick last year. Also with them picking Bush a guy like Davis should become available as well, not that I think we need that much help in the running game. Just tossing out things. It wouldn't be a bad way to improve the future though.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Wouldn't be a trade they'd make until draft day, and I doubt you're going to get a ton on top of the first pick in the 2nd. Maybe their 3rd, or their 4th and a later pick.

[DBroncos4life]

Wouldn't be a trade they'd make until draft day, and I doubt you're going to get a ton on top of the first pick in the 2nd. Maybe their 3rd, or their 4th and a later pick.
Thats kind of what I thought but didn't want to sell to short or sound like I wanted the world either. Still if we landed their second and third pick it would give us at the worst 5 picks in the first three rounds. This is a deeper draft, well most people feel that way.

[SoCalBronco]

If one/two/three of :Winston, Scott or Justice are there at 22 (likely at least 1) and we resign Lepsis, I think the phones at the Dove Valley war room will be ringing off the hook in general. We could probably really rape somebody.
The last time someone traded up for the 22nd pick for example was very recently in 2004, it was Buffalo. In return, Dallas got their 2nd rounder (43rd overall), 5th rounder and 2005 first rounder. That's a huge ****ing bonanza right there. Whether we could rape someone that bad I dont know, but I would certainly expect that if we were to trade with Houston for example, we'd get their 2nd, 3rd and 4th if Shanny wants to use all the treasure in one draft. Very good possibility we could get even more.

[SoDak Bronco]

I don't think it is very likely that Kub's and Denver will deal with each other. If you are in his shoes, it will make him look bad, especially if the deal isn't rock solid for Houston. Fans and media will jump on him for giving us a favor, and I don't see the Texans staff or Kub's being put in such a situation.


Now Daniel Synder on the other hand, he will deal. MUAAHAHAHAh Muauhaahahaha:~ohyah!:

[DBroncos4life]

If one/two/three of :Winston, Scott or Justice are there at 22 (likely at least 1) and we resign Lepsis, I think the phones at the Dove Valley war room will be ringing off the hook in general. We could probably really rape somebody.
The last time someone traded up for the 22nd pick for example was very recently in 2004, it was Buffalo. In return, Dallas got their 2nd rounder (43rd overall), 5th rounder and 2005 first rounder. That's a huge ****ing bonanza right there. Whether we could rape someone that bad I dont know, but I would certainly expect that if we were to trade with Houston for example, we'd get their 2nd, 3rd and 4th if Shanny wants to use all the treasure in one draft. Very good possibility we could get even more.
I thought about Houston because of the need for Oline help and that the fact that Kubes and Mike go back. I'm not sure that they would be willing to give the 2nd-4th pick to us for a chance at getting a good LT, but you never know. Like Herc said it would depend on who is still on the board at the time. I would be sad if we traded out of that spot with lets say Kiwi still on the board. That said moving down like that still could give us a chance to land a guy Im high on Dumervil. I know others don't think he is a fit here, but I watched the man cause false starts left and right and he cause like 10 fumbles. Not only I watched him line up at DT and still get too the QB....anyways I'm getting off topic. I'm with you though if one or two of the guys that I listed are still on the board I would think that we would get some good offers.

[NFLBRONCO]

If one/two/three of :Winston, Scott or Justice are there at 22 (likely at least 1) and we resign Lepsis, I think the phones at the Dove Valley war room will be ringing off the hook in general. We could probably really rape somebody.
The last time someone traded up for the 22nd pick for example was very recently in 2004, it was Buffalo. In return, Dallas got their 2nd rounder (43rd overall), 5th rounder and 2005 first rounder. That's a huge ****ing bonanza right there. Whether we could rape someone that bad I dont know, but I would certainly expect that if we were to trade with Houston for example, we'd get their 2nd, 3rd and 4th if Shanny wants to use all the treasure in one draft. Very good possibility we could get even more.

I agree with you SoCal it also depends on how badly a team wants our pick they will over pay. I expect us to trade a #1 pick this year this draft is too deep not to get a great offer for our pick.

[DBroncos4life]

I don't think it is very likely that Kub's and Denver will deal with each other. If you are in his shoes, it will make him look bad, especially if the deal isn't rock solid for Houston. Fans and media will jump on him for giving us a favor, and I don't see the Texans staff or Kub's being put in such a situation.


Now Daniel Synder on the other hand, he will deal. MUAAHAHAHAh Muauhaahahaha:~ohyah!:
I disagree. Most fans would love the fact that they got a future all-pro RB and the corner stone to protect their franchise QB. I think it would be a good move for Kubes to build on a young team like that just as long as he doesn't get raped in the trade.

[longtimer]

Kubes will run the same run system as in Denver. so why not resign Lepsis and trade him to the texans for there 2nd round pick and use our 22nd pick on one of the OT. We get a great young prospect that could start at RT and Foster could move to LT.

Are there any other OL players we could trade to Kubes to get there OL going?

[SoCalBronco]

Kubes will run the same run system as in Denver. so why not resign Lepsis and trade him to the texans for there 2nd round pick and use our 22nd pick on one of the OT. We get a great young prospect that could start at RT and Foster could move to LT.

Are there any other OL players we could trade to Kubes to get there OL going?

We'd have to eat the signing bonus. Not sure Foster is ready for the LT spot either after a somewhat disappointing year (to be fair he was hurt for awhile there).

[longtimer]

We'd have to eat the signing bonus. Not sure Foster is ready for the LT spot either after a somewhat disappointing year (to be fair he was hurt for awhile there).


If we signed Lepsis using a two tier signing bonus that in the first year was cap friendly but the second payment would be the rest of the signing bounusin the sencond.

The idea was that Kubes is going to need players who know how to play our system, we could unload some of the OL players that have been here for a few years but are never going to amount to more than average starters at best for some of the texans picks,

[Hercules Rockefeller]

If we signed Lepsis using a two tier signing bonus that in the first year was cap friendly but the second payment would be the rest of the signing bounusin the sencond.


So basically you're asking Bowlen to eat a couple million of the first tier of the bonus simply for the privilege of trading him?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Now Daniel Synder on the other hand, he will deal. MUAAHAHAHAh Muauhaahahaha:~ohyah!:

There was a WaPo article the other day that said they'd like to get back into the 1st round with their '06 2nd, '07 1st, and Ramsey as trade bait. Skins fans at ES thought that should get them close to the top 5 because Ramsey is a quality NFL starter. Apparently getting benched in the first game only elevated his trade value.

[DBroncos4life]

If we signed Lepsis using a two tier signing bonus that in the first year was cap friendly but the second payment would be the rest of the signing bounusin the sencond.

The idea was that Kubes is going to need players who know how to play our system, we could unload some of the OL players that have been here for a few years but are never going to amount to more than average starters at best for some of the texans picks,
I don't see him taking our Oline guys without a coach to teach the system yet. JMO. The best thing for him to do is get Gibbs from Alt and build that way. If he did want to bring our system there I would think that a guy like McNeill would be the choice for LT. The guy is huge and right now they have him at a 4.97 40. That is great for a 6'9" 338 pound man.

[longtimer]

I don't see him taking our Oline guys without a coach to teach the system yet. JMO. The best thing for him to do is get Gibbs from Alt and build that way. If he did want to bring our system there I would think that a guy like McNeill would be the choice for LT. The guy is huge and right now they have him at a 4.97 40. That is great for a 6'9" 338 pound man.

The reason the texans would not get McNeil is that I hope Denver would be able to tag him at 22nd pick. Yes I do agree that Kubes will need some one to teach the system but that process is greatly accelerated when you have OL players that know the system.

[DBroncos4life]

The reason the texans would get McNeil is that I hope Denver would be able to tag him at 22nd pick. Yes I do agree that Kubes will need some one to teach the system but that process is greatly accelerated when you have OL players that know the system.
I agree, but they still need someone to coach them. I just don't see them wanting to trade for guys that aren't starters for us. Odds are they may go through our trash and Hotlanta's trash though.

[longtimer]

So basically you're asking Bowlen to eat a couple million of the first tier of the bonus simply for the privilege of trading him?

Yes I do! When you look at who could be there at the Texans 2nd round pick in this draft. we could end up with an impact player. and the Texans get a proven LT to start not just a prospect. Foster was drafted to play LT Sunquist has said on more than once that Foster will play LT at some point.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Kubes will run the same run system as in Denver. so why not resign Lepsis and trade him to the texans for there 2nd round pick and use our 22nd pick on one of the OT. We get a great young prospect that could start at RT and Foster could move to LT.

Are there any other OL players we could trade to Kubes to get there OL going?

That would be silly. It take 3-5 years to develop a LT in th NFL. Lepsis is in his prime and wants to be here. Give it up guys - Lepsis is the LT for the foreseeable future. It is one of the most solid positions on the team.

[DBroncos4life]

That would be silly. It take 3-5 years to develop a LT in th NFL. Lepsis is in his prime and wants to be here. Give it up guys - Lepsis is the LT for the foreseeable future. It is one of the most solid positions on the team.
I agree. I see no reason to let him leave at all. I think there is a pretty good reason why we run to the left more often then not, and do it very well I might add.

[TexanBob]

First of all, the Texans have been burned and burned badly the past two seasons by trading away their 2nd and 3rd round picks. I'd say it's extremely doubtful they will be trading up. Secondly, this is turning into a very deep draft for offensive tackles and there is likely to be one at #33 who will fill the bill so even if they take Bush (my preference is to trade down and get a top defensive player like Haloti Ngata or Mario Williams), they can fill their need for OT at 33.

Believe it or not, the Texans tried a Bronco style zone-blocking scheme in 2004 which looked pretty good until injuries tore them up. The problem was their personnel on the line isn't like the Broncos. They also weren't coached the same way.

Kubiak may or may not be able to lure any Broncos to coach the line but here's a name I'd expect to be showing up in Houston in some capacity - Dan Neil. He's a Houston area product, starred at University of Texas, you know what he did as a Bronco and, by his own admission, hasn't been doing anything since being out of football. I'd bet he'd be a good teacher of the Bronco blocking technique even if he's not interested in an official coaching capacity.

[WABronco]

If one/two/three of :Winston, Scott or Justice are there at 22 (likely at least 1) and we resign Lepsis, I think the phones at the Dove Valley war room will be ringing off the hook in general. We could probably really rape somebody.
The last time someone traded up for the 22nd pick for example was very recently in 2004, it was Buffalo. In return, Dallas got their 2nd rounder (43rd overall), 5th rounder and 2005 first rounder. That's a huge ****ing bonanza right there. Whether we could rape someone that bad I dont know, but I would certainly expect that if we were to trade with Houston for example, we'd get their 2nd, 3rd and 4th if Shanny wants to use all the treasure in one draft. Very good possibility we could get even more.

Yessss, lets rape someone!!!

Oh MY GODDD! It's a ****ing bonanza!!!!!:rofl:

Anyways, I'm in total agreement. Let's trade that b**** if we can rape someone super bad, you know?

Really though, that'd be sick if we got those picks from Houston.

[WABronco]

I agree. I see no reason to let him leave at all. I think there is a pretty good reason why we run to the left more often then not, and do it very well I might add.

What are we gonna have to sacrifice to keep him though?

[DBroncos4life]

What are we gonna have to sacrifice to keep him though?
What makes you think that its going to be such a big deal to get done? He doesn't fit many teams systems, and as Big Guy pointed out he has ties to the area. I myself think Denver will give him the contract he has earned. Say what you want he is a very good player and has earned his check. If we let him walk shame on us. Its just like the Leach thing. People get pissed that he is on the team but the guy is MONEY well spent. I just believe he stays here for maybe less money then he could earn elsewhere but he still will be payed well. Also something to think about while Atlanta runs the same style of O we do, Ron Mexico is left handed so LT isn't a huge need. I can't see him leaving to move back to RT. Now there are rumors that the Texans may try and run our system, well I will believe that when the get a coach to teach it. Other then that I don't see the market for a undersized LT by the NFL's regards making a huge splash in FA. Thats just my opinion though.

[Clockwork Orange]

There was a WaPo article the other day that said they'd like to get back into the 1st round with their '06 2nd, '07 1st, and Ramsey as trade bait. Skins fans at ES thought that should get them close to the top 5 because Ramsey is a quality NFL starter. Apparently getting benched in the first game only elevated his trade value.

Snyder must have handed out player value charts too.

Forking over a 1st, 3rd & 4th to get Jason Campbell looks bad enough, but why would they want to compound that by forking over multiple picks yet again just to get back into the 1st round that they already traded out of? Are they gonna hand over more picks to get back into the 1st round in '07?

Ridiculous.

[DBroncos4life]

Snyder must have handed out player value charts too.

Forking over a 1st, 3rd & 4th to get Jason Campbell looks bad enough, but why would they want to compound that by forking over multiple picks yet again just to get back into the 1st round that they already traded out of? Are they gonna hand over more picks to get back into the 1st round in '07?

Ridiculous.
The Skins have a couple players on D I wouldn't mind having Cornelius Griffen and (even though Im not sure about his attitude) Sean Taylor. I guess it would depend on what they would send with them. I would doubt we would get much more with Taylor but they would have to send much more with Griffen. They would have to take our last pick in the first though :)

[WABronco]

What makes you think that its going to be such a big deal to get done? He doesn't fit many teams systems, and as Big Guy pointed out he has ties to the area. I myself think Denver will give him the contract he has earned. Say what you want he is a very good player and has earned his check. If we let him walk shame on us. Its just like the Leach thing. People get pissed that he is on the team but the guy is MONEY well spent. I just believe he stays here for maybe less money then he could earn elsewhere but he still will be payed well. Also something to think about while Atlanta runs the same style of O we do, Ron Mexico is left handed so LT isn't a huge need. I can't see him leaving to move back to RT. Now there are rumors that the Texans may try and run our system, well I will believe that when the get a coach to teach it. Other then that I don't see the market for a undersized LT by the NFL's regards making a huge splash in FA. Thats just my opinion though.

I'm not sayin' that keepin Lepsis would be a bad thing, for sure. But good points with the market for him...