Usama threatens, offers truce

[watermock]

I would put this in another forum, but I so pissed off and it's like stepping into the London sewer in 1573....We can take whatever this criminal dishes out...Bush won't make any truce...just so this creep can regroup...we haven't lost over 2,000 brave men and women just to have this carp slide off the hook with some sort of slippery move and false truce...all this offer is is a pleading to get off his back so he can get back to work...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-01-19-bin-laden-audio_x.htm

CAIRO (AP) — Al-Jazeera on Thursday broadcast portions of an audiotape purportedly from Osama bin Laden, saying al-Qaeda is making preparations for attacks in the United States but offering a possible truce to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan.
The voice on the tape said heightened security in the United States is not the reason there have been no attacks there since the Sept. 11, 2001, suicide hijackings.


AP
Bin Laden


Instead, the reason is "because there are operations that need preparations," he said.

"The delay in similar operations happening in America has not been because of failure to break through your security measures. But the operations are happening in Baghdad and you will see them here at home the minute they are through (with preparations), with God's permission," he said.

"Based on what I have said, it is better not to fight the Muslims on their land," he said. "We do not mind offering you a truce that is fair and long-term ... so we can build Iraq and Afghanistan. ... There is no shame in this solution because it prevents wasting of billions of dollars ... to merchants of war."

The speaker did not give conditions for a truce in the excerpts aired by Al-Jazeera.

There was no immediate confirmation of the tape's authenticity, although the voice resembled that of bin Laden's in previous messages.

It has been more than a year since the last confirmed message from bin Laden — the longest period without a video or audiotape from the al-Qaeda leader. The last audiotape purported to be from bin Laden was broadcast in December 2004 by Al-Jazeera. In that recording, he endorsed Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi as his deputy in Iraq and called for a boycott of Iraqi elections.

Al-Jazeera's editor-in-chief Ahmed al-Sheik would not comment on when or where the tape was received. He said the full tape was 10 minutes long. The station aired four excerpts with what it "considered newsworthy," he said, but would not say what was on the remainder.

Al-Sheik said the tape seemed to have been made "recently" but would not saw what led him to that conclusion. AP
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If you think Bush is going to cut some kind of truce your crazy. We allready know they are planning more attacks...This is a war, not some injun fight.

[defenseman]

It appears, if it is Bin Laden, we are hitting too close to home with our drones accompanied with the loss of his "human" infrastructure in his network. If it is him, they are damaged, possibly beyond repair. If it is Bin Laden, his only option would be to pull chocks and regroup as you said. Denying him at this point? I would think they would attempt a direct hit on the mainland of the US in short order. ....dman

[Hotrod]

Something about this one spooks me much more so then past threats.

[freak6]

Osama should have been captured in Tora Bora, we should have destroyed him and his forces there, with about 100,000 boots on the ground, instead of the 30,000 spread out over all of afghanistan. Another 70,000 troops in that region, patrolling the border with Pakistan, and we wouldn't be having this convo. To bad we were already "planning" the invasion into Iraq, to keep him from selling his tons upon tons of WMDs. Thank god we destroyed Saddam's fleet of unmanned airial vehicles before they dropped nerve agents on Atlanta...

Terrorist cells are everywhere now, it is only a matter of time. Every time we kill innocent civilians, we create more terrorists. We are knee deep in some sht that is never going to end.

GO BRONCOS

[Broncoman13]

I agree DMan. In fact, I think this is a trap in some ways. Knowing that President Bush would never accept a "truce" he can now carry out an attack and blame the president. Some people, (even Americans unfortunately) will say that we should have truced and that the opportunity was available. IMO, there's no way you truce and let them try to rebuild anything. WIPE THEM OUT!!! If he attacks it will only strengthen my and my countries' resolve!

[Smiling Assassin27]

Bin Laden's dead. It's an impostor.

[freak6]

WIPE THEM OUT!!! If he attacks it will only strengthen my and my countries' resolve!

I agree. But we need to be smarter about WIPE THEM OUT!!.

Our current batch of leadership in the Pentagon has proven to be less than up to the task, which is unfortunate, because we deserve better.

[Hotrod]

Bin Laden's dead. It's an impostor.

I for one dont think so and if its an 'impostor' we will know soon enough thru voice testing.

[Jens1893]

As ****ing if Bin Laden would keep his word.

[Hotrod]

Actually Binladens MO per se has been to give warning before all major attacks. This is the first specific warning of an attack within US borders since 9/11 they need to hurry with the voice match testing.

[defenseman]

Ordinance on target my friends is not the issue. We do that quite well, trust me on this one. However, solid "no s%$T" intelligence allowing for more bang for the buck, get the guys you really want to get, is the absolute key. America has paid a dear price when human intellignence was whacked out of the budget in the ninety's. There is absolutely no replacement for human intelligence, on the ground, in the enemies back yard, none....dman

[Rock Chalk]

I agree. But we need to be smarter about WIPE THEM OUT!!.

Our current batch of leadership in the Pentagon has proven to be less than up to the task, which is unfortunate, because we deserve better.
Well oh brilliant one, you seem to have all the answers, go help out.

[defenseman]

Buff, GW has kept the pressure on. Mr. Clinton had two shots at the guy, and he stood down. I hang this albatross around his pencil-neck......this probably belongs on the political section of the mane to be honest...dman

[Broncoman13]

Not so HotRod. We used to have warnings in Houston when I worked alert rather frequently. Most of the dealing with dirty bombs.

Still, his attacks are preluded with a warning and they often happen within weeks. Hate to say it, but I wouldn't put a major sporting even past them!

[gadlaw]

This reminds me of a satire article in the Onion a few years back. There is a picture of a battered and bruised Osama and he's explaining how the infidels should give up now since clearly he is winning. As proof he mentions that we have walked into his trap by killing so many of his followers. Something like, "With every one of us you kill there are fewer of us and so you have a harder time finding us to kill us therefore we are winning." Funny, but we need to pull him out of his rabbit hole and put his ass on trial in the US.

[BroncoBuff]

The fact he's still breathing air should have been enough to sweep GW out of office last year ... GW bugged out of Afghanistan - where Osama, our REAL enemy, was hiding. If I had a relative in one of those towers, I'd be apoplectic with rage ....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but OBL knocked down the twin towers, and our president actually FAILED to turn over E V E R Y . S I N G L E . S T O N E ... anywhere on planet earth?!?!?!?!?!? Something is wrong there.

______



Tommy Lee Jones as U.S. Marshall Sam Somebody said it best ...."Okay people, we have a fugitive! I want a hard-target search of every farmhouse, outhouse, henhouse and ranchhouse within a 50 mile radius! The average footspeed for one man over uneven terrain is FIVE MILES PER HOUR ... let's GO, people!!!!!!!"


Tommy Lee Jones for president!

[freak6]

The fact he's still breathing air should have been enough to sweep GW out of office last year ... GW bugged out of Afghanistan - where Osama, our REAL enemy, was hiding. If I had a relative in one of those towers, I'd be apoplectic with rage ....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but OBL knocked down the twin towers, and our president actually FAILED to turn over E V E R Y . S I N G L E . S T O N E ... anywhere on planet earth?!?!?!?!?!? Something is wrong there.


Dude, what is your problem??

We had to stop Saddam from using his UAV from dropping biological agents on us!!! It was an imminent, and immediate threat. He was one year away from being able to make a nuke!!!

Ok, seriously, I agree with you're take completely. The fact is that Osama blew up the WTC, and got away with it, because our formerly AWOL Flight Officer wanted to go to Iraq, which in turn has ruined our position in the world, and according to intelligence reports from both the UN, and our own CIA, is hurting us in the war on terror. I repeat...

"The war in Iraq is hurting us in the war on terror, not helping us" - the CIA.

[SteveTensi13]

We should do what the Russians did during the height of Soviet rule. You don't kill the terrorist, you kill his family one by one, then his friends, then his family pet!

[Rock Chalk]

The fact he's still breathing air should have been enough to sweep GW out of office last year ... GW bugged out of Afghanistan - where Osama, our REAL enemy, was hiding. If I had a relative in one of those towers, I'd be apoplectic with rage ....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but OBL knocked down the twin towers, and our president actually FAILED to turn over E V E R Y . S I N G L E . S T O N E ... anywhere on planet earth?!?!?!?!?!? Something is wrong there.

______


Tommy Lee Jones as U.S. Marshall Sam Somebody said it best ....

"Okay, we have a fugitive ... I want a hard-target search of every farmhouse, townhouse, henhouse and outhouse within a 50 mile radius. The average footspeed for one man over uneven terrain is FIVE MILES PER HOUR ... let's GO, people!!!!!!!"


Tommy Lee Jones for president!
Idiot. If you dont think those soldiers in Afghanistan (who, by the way you uneducated ****ing dip****, are STILL THERE LOOKING) have done EVERYTHING possible to find Osama, then you and LABF need go to suck each other's dick.

[SteveTensi13]

Or better yet, lets send in the Sicilian mafia. Offer them a billion dollars or so and I guarantee you within a month or so Bin Laden would be wearing a Sicilian necktie!

[watermock]

I don't blame the Pentagon....we are dealing with cockroaches that disspear under the light...he can threaten all he want and make offers of a truce...it's all a lie anyway...Usama is a disgrace to the human condition. If we take another hit, we take another hit..but there ain't no truce you bastard...we have lost over 5K lives for no reason and this is America...We protect...you started this...we will finish it for you...even if it means putting a B2 over mecca's black, evil box.

You piss us off enough, we stop playing fair and simply anialtate you. They are damn lucky Curtis LeMay isn't alive. Or if I had air command. You all know my policy...my fists shake in anger and retribution...

truce? good lord...if offered in good faith maybe, but not when it tied to a threat...this is a sign we are winning my good friends...

[Hotrod]

Not so HotRod. We used to have warnings in Houston when I worked alert rather frequently. Most of the dealing with dirty bombs.

Still, his attacks are preluded with a warning and they often happen within weeks. Hate to say it, but I wouldn't put a major sporting even past them!

Warnings yes but I do believe this is the first "out in the open" "addressed to the world" "Look at me and watch my power" message/threat from OBL in regards to an attack inside the US. No??? Thats his MO he has always made it public to the world what he is about to do.

[SportinOne]

I say bring 'em on. The reason there has been no attack is because we're f'ing their ****e up.

Don't pull back now.. that would be un-american. Finish him like its Mortal Kombat.

[defenseman]

If you think there are not mercenaries in Iraq / Afghan and everywhere else in the world trying to hunt ole Bin laden down , think again. With the price on his head, they are literally everywhere in the middle east and have been for a couple of years now....dman

[Broncoman13]

Buff, GW has kept the pressure on. Mr. Clinton had two shots at the guy, and he stood down. I hang this albatross around his pencil-neck......this probably belongs on the political section of the mane to be honest...dman


Too bad we can't carry on a conversation without turning it into a political debate/thrash n bash session.

[missingnumber7]

The fact he's still breathing air should have been enough to sweep GW out of office last year ... GW bugged out of Afghanistan - where Osama, our REAL enemy, was hiding. If I had a relative in one of those towers, I'd be apoplectic with rage ....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but OBL knocked down the twin towers, and our president actually FAILED to turn over E V E R Y . S I N G L E . S T O N E ... anywhere on planet earth?!?!?!?!?!? Something is wrong there.


The mission in Afghanistan was to get rid of the Taliban the terrorist harboring government. We accomplished that...did not bugg out, but got rid of a threat who was just as big of a terrorist harborer. And the military is not a bunch of contract killers, which is what you are implying. Our goal wasn't to capture or kill saddam it was to force him out of power in Iraq...once he was out of power he was wanted for war crimes. The same works for Osama.

[TheDave]

Well since there is no real hostility here with steeler fan, nothing like politics to get the blood boiling.

P.S. if this doesn't work here are some other ideas for threads to piss people off!

"Is homosexuality genetic?"
"Should we teach ID in schools"
"Does God exist...Prove it"

...and if none of those work simply move Sider's "Republican family values" thread to the main board!

[defenseman]

There will be NO backing out of this one, trust me on that one......dman

*The fighting spirit on land, at sea, and in the air of the american fighting man and woman is alive and well in all respects with regards to Iraq and the war on terror. Don't ever doubt it.

[Hotrod]

Whats funny is everyone is looking at the "truce" portion of the story and missing the important "attack" portion. Anyone with a brain knows were not going to have a truce meeting with OBL so thats just smoke thrown into the real issue here.

[watermock]

Wow...this doesn't even belong on the main board but it's obviously on everyones mind!

I thought It deserved a heads up. We will fight them till we win, no matter the cost. We didn't choose this fight, but we shall finish it. I hate with all my being...but it must be done...and finished. We live in troubled times my friends...and I didn't mean to spoil the party, but I was a little scared by this clowns comments...so prepare yourselves...

[freak6]

Idiot. If you dont think those soldiers in Afghanistan (who, by the way you uneducated ****ing dip****, are STILL THERE LOOKING) have done EVERYTHING possible to find Osama, then you and LABF need go to suck each other's dick.

Alec, take a breath. Of course they are, my buddies are getting ready to go over there soon. The warriors doing the job are not the problem. The problem is the mission.

The commanders on the ground never had the troop strength neccessary to come close to a guarantee on the capture of Bin Laden. We should've had triple the # of troops in Afghanistan, but Bush was already "planning" (using the word loosely there) the invasion into Iraq. That is why he didn't commit to getting Osama, he took his eye off the real target, because he is in my opinion, simpleminded, short sighted, and has terrible advisors around him, like Douglas Feith, who Colin Powell and other top Generals like Tommy Franks called the stupidest fking person on the planet.

[Hotrod]

Well since there is no real hostility here with steeler fan, nothing like politics to get the blood boiling.

P.S. if this doesn't work here are some other ideas for threads to piss people off!

"Is homosexuality genetic?"
"Should we teach ID in schools"
"Does God exist...Prove it"

...and if none of those work simply move Sider's "Republican family values" thread to the main board!

Heres another possible topic "Is it the teachers who are messing up our children" ;)

[BroncoBuff]

Idiot. ... you uneducated ****ing dip****,

you and LABF need go to suck each other's dick.
He'll have to buy me dinner first.

[TheDave]

Heres another possible topic "Is it the teachers who are messing up our children" ;)

2 questions...

Do you have kids?

What district do they attend?

I'm thinking Spawn of Hotrod needs a new science teacher :wiggle:

[footstepsfrom#27]

I believe Bin Laden will eventually be found working the counter at a Deli in Queens.

[Hotrod]

2 questions...

Do you have kids?

What district do they attend?

I'm thinking Spawn of Hotrod needs a new science teacher :wiggle:

2 kids both enrolled in the school of Hard knocks @ NRA headquarters ;)

[watermock]

We should do what the Russians did during the height of Soviet rule. You don't kill the terrorist, you kill his family one by one, then his friends, then his family pet!

Kill the Pet...kill the pet! it's their fault!

[BroncoBuff]

Alec, take a breath. Of course they are, my buddies are getting ready to go over there soon. The warriors doing the job are not the problem. The problem is the mission.

The commanders on the ground never had the troop strength neccessary to come close to a guarantee on the capture of Bin Laden. We should've had triple the # of troops in Afghanistan, but Bush was already "planning" (using the word loosely there) the invasion into Iraq. That is why he didn't commit to getting Osama, he took his eye off the real target, because he is in my opinion, simpleminded, short sighted, and has terrible advisors around him, like Douglas Feith, who Colin Powell and other top Generals like Tommy Franks called the stupidest fking person on the planet.
BEAUTIFULLY WRITTEN! That's actually very informative.

I guess my post was a bit argumentative - while you, sir, have a more nuanced pen ...

(I liked my Tommy Lee Jones "Fugitive" quote, though ...)

Look what you've done, mock ... Taco John's gonna be p***ed when he get's here!

[defenseman]

Footsteps is probably correct. And if by an act of god OBL did make it behind the DELI counter, Hillary and Ted K. would be buying a half pound of corned beef from him and lobbying him for the muslim vote........really sad....dman

[Broncoman13]

I picture him as more of a cabbie myself.

[defenseman]

A bad smelling cabbie at that...dman

[Hotrod]

A bad smelling cabbie at that...dman

Na if Billary was in charge he would be getting welfare.

[watermock]

Don't get me started on Tommy Franks...he's worse than MacNamara or Westmorland.

They were all idiots. We were losing kids per day what we are losing in a month in Vietnam for no real purpose.

It's time to simply eliminate cars from parking on the roads there. If you park on the road your can gets blown up by a tank on patrol.

I have no clue why thy havent done this. You can't park on the road. Period. Park on the damn lawn..or what they call a lawn...

[watermock]

Usama is the Soup Nazi!

Get him Jerry!

[TheDave]

Footsteps is probably correct. And if by an act of god OBL did make it behind the DELI counter, Hillary and Ted K. would be buying a half pound of corned beef from him and lobbying him for the muslim vote........really sad....dman

Unfortunately while these 2 were doing that Bushii would attack Mexico, saying that they were an emanate threat, had harbored OBL, and aided his safe passage into the U.S... 'Cause you just don't want that smoking gun to be in the form of a mushroom cloud (or whatever the Mexican equivalent would be) :sunshine:

[Hotrod]

Unfortunately while these 2 were doing that Bushii would attack Mexico, saying that they were an emanate threat

They are but you know me I dont like to hijack threads ;D

[Broncoman13]

Emanate... pronounced Em-an-ot-ay... is that spanish for imminent? Just figured since you were talking about Mexico you might have gone intellectual on us... that or you accidentally made a funny b/c YOU CAN'T FREAKING SPELL! lol Still love ya brah! Just havin some fun.

[TheDave]

Emanate... pronounced Em-an-ot-ay... is that spanish for imminent? Just figured since you were talking about Mexico you might have gone intellectual on us... that or you accidentally made a funny b/c YOU CAN'T FREAKING SPELL! lol Still love ya brah! Just havin some fun.

Not only can't i spell... but obliviosly i'm defecient in my use of spell check. Thank gawd i teach Kemistery :thumbsup:

[enjolras]

The truce thing is pure political genious, but it does worry me. By offering a 'truce' Bin Laden is putting himself in a position to pull the trigger...he can now attack and point to the fact that we 'brought this on ourselves' by not agreeing to a truce. One that would have given control of Iraq and Afghanistan to Al-Qeada and gotten the United States out.. something that's already popular in the part of the world this is aimed at.

Its much like the offer made to Saddam right before the Iraq invasion. 'Turn yourself over and we won't invade'.. when everyone with any sense at all knew that was nothing more than a political manuever.

Same thing...

[Hogan11]

Unfortunately while these 2 were doing that Bushii would attack Mexico, saying that they were an emanate threat, had harbored OBL, and aided his safe passage into the U.S... 'Cause you just don't want that smoking gun to be in the form of a mushroom cloud (or whatever the Mexican equivalent would be) :sunshine:

Nah not Mexico...Bush loves Mexico...it's Canada he disdains afterall, they wouldn't tow the line.

[Rohirrim]

I think we should offer Osama a meeting to call a truce. Make it easier to program the Predator.

[maven]

fighting terrorism is an endless war

[Broncoman13]

Not that I agree... but it's funny anyhow!



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The reason for that is purely geographical.



Our OIL is located in



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Our DIPSTICKS are located in



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Any Questions?

[Candy Cigarettes]

Idiot. If you dont think those soldiers in Afghanistan (who, by the way you uneducated ****ing dip****, are STILL THERE LOOKING) have done EVERYTHING possible to find Osama, then you and LABF need go to suck each other's dick.

Thanks, Alec...:thumbsup:

[Bronx33]

Usama is the Soup Nazi!

Get him Jerry!



NO! PORK! FOR YOU!

[Bronx33]

Go! Broncos!

[watermock]

I think we should offer Osama a meeting to call a truce. Make it easier to program the Predator.

I agree...Bush can the go to the bathroom and the orbiting predator could he could run to the nearest armored caddilac...radio fire and will and high tail it...he will need to have a bathroom window constructed...he isn't overly rotund, but some stupid device like a heater chould give him a step stool. And there could be a Doofy Doll at the other side...

Yes, let's arrange a meeting...on OUR SOIL...and show our good will to the bastards.

[Hotrod]

NO! PORK! FOR YOU!

LOL thats fricking hillarious Hilarious!

[sirhcyennek81]

Osama is our enemy, Saddam is our enemy, and that nutbag in Iran is our enemy. They were our enemy before we had any soldiers in the middle east, and until they are dead they will remain our enemy. Osama must be losing whats left of his mind. You dont threaten a country of 300 million with destruction, then call time out when we kick your ass.

:Broncos:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

From past tapes this one is probably at least a month old.
McClellan was just on trying to explain (skirting the issue entirely referring to a "broader war on a terror") why we can't kill this POS. We have 20 some thousand troops in Afghanistan and over 160,000 in Iraq (where he isn't).
But Bush already stated how he feels about getting this scum...

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

[Hotrod]

I see this thread has now landed in the spin zone.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I see this thread has now landed in the spin zone.

Good, now it's off the football forum and here where the drunken cat chaser dares not enter.

[TheDave]

Good, now it's off the football forum and here where the drunken cat chaser dares not enter.

Mock drinks???

[Broncoman13]

I think I've heard that rumor before!!!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Mock drinks???
I think he hooks up one of these every day.......










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[Garcia Bronco]

I hope they kill him and any bastard that supportd him.

[alkemical]

Bin Laden is dead IMO, has been for a while.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I hope they kill him and any bastard that supportd him.


Bin Laden or Mock???? :)

[RaiderH8r]

Na if Billary was in charge he would be getting welfare.
And his own park and national apology for making him mad.

[BroncoBuff]

Thanks, Alec...:thumbsup:
Thanks, Candy ... :thumbsup:

[GonzoLays]

Ah yes the infamous Bin Laden. Cannot be found by the world's greatest military for four years yet can make Americans rattle with fear over proposed strikes and peace agreements.

Does he even exist? What REAL proof is there of Bin Laden? He is probably some tool of the warhawks and military industrialists to keep making billions of dollars off American taxpayers in a war that really doesn't make sense.

[alkemical]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The fact he's still breathing air should have been enough to sweep GW out of office last year .

Hammer, nail, head. :thumbsup:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Idiot. If you dont think those soldiers in Afghanistan (who, by the way you uneducated ****ing dip****, are STILL THERE LOOKING) have done EVERYTHING possible to find Osama, then you and LABF need go to suck each other's dick.

Another totally inappropriate, name-calling, profanity-laced post from Mr. Alligator Mouth/Hummingbird A$$.

Why is this guy allowed to make repeated posts like this one without getting banned (or at least reprimanded?)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

you uneducated ****ing dip****

As always, you are the guy who needs the education:

New Book by CIA Field Commander: Bin Laden Could Have Been Caught

The CIA field commander for the agency's Jawbreaker team at Tora Bora, Gary Berntsen, has finally got approval to publish his book, which will hit the streets on December 27, 2005. The CIA has sat on the book for more than a year and tried to stop its publication. Although the book is not intended as a criticism of President Bush, it will land another body blow to the beleaguered Bush Presidency. Bernsten's key point in the book is his testimony that he and other U.S. commanders did know that bin Laden was among the hundreds of fleeing Al Qaeda and Taliban members. According to NEWSWEEK, "Berntsen says he had definitive intelligence that bin Laden was holed up at Tora Bora--intelligence operatives had tracked him--and could have been caught. He was there."

Look for General Tommy Franks' image as the great commander to be further tarnished. This book will have the unintended effect of reminding all Americans that George Bush did not finish the job of tracking down bin Laden. Instead, he shifted key military and intelligence resources and started a war of choice in Iraq.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/10/22/221011/01

Unlike Alec, Berntsen was actually there (and in command) when Bin Laden was allowed to escape.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Bin Laden is dead IMO, has been for a while.
Nah, not yet. The CIA has confirmed every one of his radio messages so far as being him.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

fighting terrorism is an endless war

Terrorism is a tactic.

You can't fight a war against a tactic.

[enjolras]

Terrorism is a tactic.

You can't fight a war against a tactic.

You sure as hell can fight a war against terrorists

[Rigs11]

You sure as hell can fight a war against terrorists
How? Are we really safer? Or just less free?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You sure as hell can fight a war against terrorists

Too bad you can't sell that idea to Bush.

In any event, since terrorism is a tactic, a terrorist is someone who employs that particular tactic.

That could be descriptive of an indefinite number of people with an indefinite number of motives in an indefinite number of places - past, present, and future.

As Bill Clinton said, you can't capture or kill 'em all.

[Rigs11]

Meanwhile, Back In Afghanistan

Jan. 18, 2006

What's up with Osama bin Laden? Remember when capturing him "dead or alive" and eliminating his Afghanistan-based al Qaeda, as Bush promised, was what the War on Terror was all about?

Instead the President got distracted with his idiotic invasion of Iraq where al Qaida had been effectively banned by the secular dictator the U.S. deposed. Now we are left holding the bag in two desperate countries with bleak futures where perpetrators of 9/11 are reportedly thriving and guerilla warfare and terror bombings have continued to increase.

"Al Qaeda is quickly changing and we are not," warned Timothy J. Roemer, a member of the bipartisan 9/11 Commission appointed by President Bush, last month. "Al Qaeda is highly dynamic and we are not. Al Qaeda is highly imaginative and we are not."

Yet, in his speeches, Bush clings to the notion that the battle against terrorism is going well because, according to his spin, we have been able to eliminate it in Afghanistan and are now destroying the last vestiges of this scourge in Iraq. On his visit to Kabul last month, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld elaborated on this absurdity by declaring bloody, backward Afghanistan as a "model" of progress in the War on Terror — even as he admitted that "Iraq is several years behind."

Rumsfeld's claim of progress was treated as ridiculous by Afghan security officials interviewed in a BBC survey of opinion following the defense secretary's visit. "We are very worried now," one senior police official told the BBC. "The Taliban and al Qaeda are getting more threatening."

Last Sunday, U.S. sources claimed to have targeted Osama's second-in-command with the bombing of a village on the Pakistan side of the border with Afghanistan. But, as is so often the case when applying air power to non-military targets, the corpses left in the debris of a devastated village did not include the intended target. In the aftermath, American flags were once again burning in the region as anti-American protests swept Pakistan.

Meanwhile, next door in Afghanistan, a new rash of suicide bombings — twenty-five in four months, according to the Los Angeles Times — is providing evidence that al Qaeda's old partners in crime, the Taliban, are back with a vengeance. Over the weekend, twenty civilians were killed by a suicide bomber, while a Canadian diplomat was killed in another attack. This month is on pace to be the bloodiest the country has seen since the U.S. invasion.

NATO members with troops operating out of Kabul are balking at sending more, while at least one, Holland, is considering pulling out altogether of a much-hyped occupation which seems to be accomplishing little.

"What happened to the new roads and irrigation canals, the jobs we were told about?" village elders plaintively inquired of a BBC correspondent. Indeed, five years of "nation-building" has left Afghanistan a festering wound, with primitive warlords still dominant, an isolated capital with no control of the country side, no national infrastructure, and a once-again booming opium trade the country's only economic bright spot.

"Of course we're growing poppy this year," one district chief told the BBC. "The government, the foreigners — they promised to help if we stopped. But where is it?"

This occupation is only the latest in centuries of cynical — or at best, ineffective — meddling in Afghanistan. From the Brits to the Soviets to the Republicans, everybody has seen the place as useful to achieve ends which have nothing to do with making it a better place to live. As we once again draw down our annual economic commitment to Afghanistan's rebuilding from $1 billion to $600 million annually, it is clear the Bush team is hoping the country will once again recede from the global stage into unseen anarchy.

After our dramatic initial stab into Afghanistan after 9/11, the Bush Administration has shown no willingness to do the heavy lifting that would be required to make the country once again the functioning nation it was before cold war games tore it apart. Rather, as with the rest of its policies, a token effort has merely been a cover for conning the American public into believing Bush is effectively pursuing the War on Terror.

Since most Americans could not find the country on a map, this deeply cynical approach will continue to work — at least until the next time a gang of marauders trained in the primitive badlands of Afghanistan and Pakistan and funded by our "allies" in Saudi Arabia launch another devastating attack on U.S. soil.

Robert Scheer, a contributing editor to The Nation, is editor of Truthdig.com.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/18/opinion/main1217883.shtml

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You gotta wonder:

Wouldn't it have been just as easy for Smirk to level with the American people about the real reasons for invading Afghanistan and Iraq (as opposed to insulting our intelligence with bull**** cover story after bull**** cover story?)

He could have probably made some sort of appeal to people's sense of enlightened self-interest by being more forthright about the energy situation, etc.

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You gotta wonder:

Wouldn't it have been just as easy for Smirk to level with the American people about the real reasons for invading Afghanistan and Iraq (as opposed to insulting our intelligence with bull**** cover story after bull**** cover story?)

He could have probably made some sort of appeal to people's sense of enlightened self-interest by being more forthright about the energy situation, etc.
Naw. It's easier for him to just chant "9/11" and "freedom" over and over and the people freak out and start waving flags while he destroys the constituion under their very noses.

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Naw. It's easier for him to just chant "9/11" and "freedom" over and over and the people freak out and start waving flags while he destroys the constituion under their very noses.

True.

He seems to believe his alleged "war president" status gives him the right to do virtually anything he wants with no oversight and no checks and balances.

I guess it shouldn't be a surprise that, given enough time, a worthless, spoiled, never-worked-a-day-in-his-life, upwardly failing punk like Bush would come to believe he was, in fact, some sort of monarch.

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I agree DMan. In fact, I think this is a trap in some ways. Knowing that President Bush would never accept a "truce" he can now carry out an attack and blame the president. Some people, (even Americans unfortunately) will say that we should have truced and that the opportunity was available. IMO, there's no way you truce and let them try to rebuild anything. WIPE THEM OUT!!! If he attacks it will only strengthen my and my countries' resolve!

I don't know of any Americans that would say go for a truce with this moron. He's way beyond truce. What they will say though is why weren't we putting all of our forces in going after him instead of Saddam.

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Footsteps is probably correct. And if by an act of god OBL did make it behind the DELI counter, Hillary and Ted K. would be buying a half pound of corned beef from him and lobbying him for the muslim vote........really sad....dman

Or Bush there buying a big old salamie, asking for a photo op and telling him he's doing "one helluva job". Even sadder.

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Nah, not yet. The CIA has confirmed every one of his radio messages so far as being him.


so... what does that mean? The cia wouldn't lie to us, would they?

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Terrorism is a tactic.

You can't fight a war against a tactic.


Exactly...which is why we're putting our foot in their ass.

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so... what does that mean? The cia wouldn't lie to us, would they?

Other countries get the intelligence also not just us. I'm sure if their was some kind of conspiracy to keep bin laden alive by us it would be ferreted out by another country.

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Other countries get the intelligence also not just us. I'm sure if their was some kind of conspiracy to keep bin laden alive by us it would be ferreted out by another country.


check my link on the prev. page.

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I don't know of any Americans that would say go for a truce with this moron. He's way beyond truce. What they will say though is why weren't we putting all of our forces in going after him instead of Saddam.

Bingo.

The so-called "war on terror" is just the cover story BushCo has used hitherto to advance its real agenda.

[W*GS]

The so-called "war on terror" is just the cover story BushCo has used hitherto to advance its real agenda.

...which is planting you and others like you to prattle on endlessly and thoughtlessly, thereby completely discrediting the ideology of the Democratic Party, liberals, and the "progressive" movement, thus setting the stage for neo-con hegemony.

The "BFEE" is doing an excellent job!

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check my link on the prev. page.

I did read that but I personally believe he's still alive.

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How Does al Qaeda Send Terror Tapes Without Getting Caught?

Terror Network Uses Complex Messenger System, Which May Span Several Countries

Analysis
by ALEXIS DEBAT

Jan. 20, 2006 — The broadcast of terror tapes on al Jazeera highlights a question that has haunted U.S. intelligence for a number of years now: How do these tapes find their way to the offices of the Qatari news channel, and why can't something be done to follow their trail to Osama bin Laden's doorstep?

This question remained largely unanswered until the arrest last May in Pakistan of Abu Faraj al Libbi, one of al Qaeda's operational commanders. Under intense interrogation, al Libbi revealed that Osama bin Laden's tapes — like his operational directives — are hand carried from courier to courier in a long and intricate route that involves several dozen "runners."

According to al Libbi, it takes six to 12 weeks of travel in the remote and inhospitable areas along the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan, where bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahri are still hiding. Based on this piece of intelligence, the Pakistani government succeeded in infiltrating parts of these courier networks in 2005.

But because of the extraordinary precautions taken by al Qaeda's messengers, the Pakistanis were unable to trace them back to either Zawahri or bin Laden.

The system involves each courier hand delivering the tape or the written message to another courier or location without knowing the courier's identity, the origin of the tape or message or its destination. It makes it almost impossible for intelligence agencies to roll up the entire network.

Some of these intermediaries are recruited among the thousands of travelling Muslim preachers who roam Pakistan's tribal and northern areas, usually on foot.

Analysts believe this system is still in place today, and may span several countries. According to a senior Pakistani intelligence source, the latest tape was hand delivered by an anonymous source to al Jazeera's Dubai bureau in the United Arab Emirates. The tapes are usually dropped off in an envelope at al Jazeera's offices in the Pakistani capital, Islamabad.

A 'Back Channel' Relationship?

Many commentators suspect a "back channel" relationship between the news channel and the terrorist organization. In 2005, al Jazeera reporter Taysir Alluni, who had interviewed bin Laden in Afghanistan several weeks after 9/11, was sentenced by a Spanish court to seven years in prison for providing help to two al Qaeda operatives wanted in connection with the Madrid train bombings in 2004.

Despite this high-profile case, there is little evidence of any formal relationship, agreement or even sustained communication between al Jazeera and al Qaeda. And al Jazeera strongly denies it.

Osama bin Laden's use of the Qatari news channel likely has more to do with strategy than ideology. With its audience of 50 to 70 million viewers around the world, al Jazeera has emerged not only as the Muslim world's most-watched news outlet but as a powerful force driving political views of Muslims around the world.

By using al Jazeera to broadcast its messages, al Qaeda is simply borrowing the network's global reach to further its own, while making sure that the message will reach the audience with little alteration or editing, and no mistranslation.

This is especially key when bin Laden or Zawahri, as Western intelligence agencies report, wish to send covert messages to their operatives across the world.

ABC News consultant Alexis Debat is a terrorism analyst and contributing editor of the National Interest in Washington, D.C.
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