Pittsburgh Really doesn't blitz as much as you think

[Octavias]

I Keep reading all these "Experts" talking about the Steeler Blitz, but in truth against Indy they truly blitzed about 13 times. Too many people confuse the term Blitz, which mean rushing extra players against the line, with bringing pressure from non standard areas.

The Steelers use three Down Linemen, then usually rush one more Safety, Linebacker, or CB. This confuses the Talkking heads who assume they Send the house every play. Most of the time they fake the all out blitz and play part man with a low zone, thus negating the quick "Hot Reads".

This is what killed Manning last week, he anticipated the blitz, called a quick play, only to find that was covered and the pressure was from an angle he did not cover in his protection call. When they do blitz it is typically a five man rush (7 times last week)

The Broncos actually do a lot more true "Blitzing" than the Steelers do

[Paladin]

Good points.

[yavoon]

lotsa teams dont blitz as much as ppl think. the blitz by in larger is not as effective as the standard defense.

I would like to know what happened w/ the protections against pitt cause some really easy normal rushes looked like complete jailbreak blitzes against indy on sunday.

[Paladin]

Well. Payton did say they had some problems with the protection.....

[Octavias]

Simple. Actually, what happened in Indy was much like what happened in Denver. Tom Brady and Manning (and a lot of other QB"s) use a "dummy call" to try to trick the D into showing what blitzes, drop-zones, coverages, ect it is running. This allows the QB to adjust protection, and decide what the most likely best play will develop from the anticipated coverage. Of, say, manning reads blitz up the middle, he is looking for the short slant over the middle, Or brady anticipates his TE coming open in the right flat because the CB and safety are doubled up on the Reciever to that side. Shannahan and cowher both had their teams show one thing and run another, which is easy to say, but very hard to really do in the NFL. The result was Brady and Manning's first and Second options were often not there for them, and, in Indy's case, Manning pulled blockers away from where the pressure really was coming to block the phantom rush.

Take for instance the fourth down play that should have ended the game. Polumalu showed blitz up the middle, manning adjusted the blocking scheme to pick him up if he came in, he was looking for the crossing route or slant over the middle, Troy came, the blockers compensated expecting the stunt from the middle linebacker, but he dropped back, eliminating the middle of the field, meanwhile Porter, who lined up as he had when he typically drops into coverage, did blitz, and the blocker pulled from his side allowed him to come free.
Moreover, Casey Hampton ATE Saturdays lunch all day. I think I read that he has been single blocked 12 times all year and has either knocked down, or pushed the center into the backfield each time. The push up the Middle rattled Manning when they sent only four or three guys in. He felt a rush that simply wasn't as sever as he thought and panicked

[loborugger]

I think teams have good success against Manning by showing Blitz and then backing out of it. Esp 3-4 teams, like Pitt & NE. He changes the play at the line and gets the happy feet a dancin.

Back to our game...

If we run, it negates the blitz. Lets hope we can run and last weekend was an aberation.

[Bronco Rob]

"ZONE" Blitzing..remember that term?

I noticed during the Indy game that Pitt seems to do alot of it.


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[azbroncfan]

Steelers didn't bring more than 4 or five that often in the game. Thats the Key is how many you bring in my opinion.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Key to negating the Pittsburgh blitz? Jake should be rolling out most of the time in a moving pocket, where he has 15 TD passes and only 1 INT.

[yavoon]

Simple. Actually, what happened in Indy was much like what happened in Denver. Tom Brady and Manning (and a lot of other QB"s) use a "dummy call" to try to trick the D into showing what blitzes, drop-zones, coverages, ect it is running. This allows the QB to adjust protection, and decide what the most likely best play will develop from the anticipated coverage. Of, say, manning reads blitz up the middle, he is looking for the short slant over the middle, Or brady anticipates his TE coming open in the right flat because the CB and safety are doubled up on the Reciever to that side. Shannahan and cowher both had their teams show one thing and run another, which is easy to say, but very hard to really do in the NFL. The result was Brady and Manning's first and Second options were often not there for them, and, in Indy's case, Manning pulled blockers away from where the pressure really was coming to block the phantom rush.

Take for instance the fourth down play that should have ended the game. Polumalu showed blitz up the middle, manning adjusted the blocking scheme to pick him up if he came in, he was looking for the crossing route or slant over the middle, Troy came, the blockers compensated expecting the stunt from the middle linebacker, but he dropped back, eliminating the middle of the field, meanwhile Porter, who lined up as he had when he typically drops into coverage, did blitz, and the blocker pulled from his side allowed him to come free.
Moreover, Casey Hampton ATE Saturdays lunch all day. I think I read that he has been single blocked 12 times all year and has either knocked down, or pushed the center into the backfield each time. The push up the Middle rattled Manning when they sent only four or three guys in. He felt a rush that simply wasn't as sever as he thought and panicked

that may well have happened but there was more than that. sometimes porter would lineup on the LOS(where u simply have to account for him) and came unblocked anyway.

also that reminds me of the funny casey hampton play where he chased peyton. the colts actually DIDNT BLOCK THE NOSE TACKLE. how do u even accomplish that?!?

[trench]

The Steelers use three Down Linemen, then usually rush one more Safety, Linebacker, or CB.They also blitzed with 2 down lineman a few times rushing with 2-3 S/LB/CB. With the safety in the middle showing blitz but not always coming in. That scheme seemed pretty effective against the Colts when they ran it.

[freak6]

Here is how the Indy game went to me with respect to the blitzes.

It was all about the playclock, and who dictated to who.

The Steelers would sit there, and show whatever they wanted to, sometimes nothing, sometimes something, and Peyton would adjust, call his audibles.

The entire time, the Steelers know what they want to do. They knew Manning would use up almost the entire playclock. Because the Steelers knew what they were going to do the entire time, they would just wait until Manning had made his last audible, then they would show blitz, by then the playclock was at 2 secs, and Peyton would have to take the snap. Alot of the times the Steelers would have Farrior over the RG, and Peyton would adjust, but with 2 seconds left, Farrior would move outside of the DE Freeney, so Freeney and Farrior are both over the Tackle, the G is to slow to the outside, Manning should have stepped up and to his left in the spot vacated, but thier stupid o-line pulls the G out, preventing that, so manning can really only go backward, into Farrior who blew by that G.

The Steelers did a great job dictating to the Colts by showing nothing really until it was to late for the Colts to adjust with thier retarded blocking scheme.

[Tibs]

Pittsburgh Really doesn't blitz as much as you think

It's the quality, not the quantity of Steelers' blitzes that the key.

[yavoon]

Here is how the Indy game went to me with respect to the blitzes.

It was all about the playclock, and who dictated to who.

The Steelers would sit there, and show whatever they wanted to, sometimes nothing, sometimes something, and Peyton would adjust, call his audibles.

The entire time, the Steelers know what they want to do. They knew Manning would use up almost the entire playclock. Because the Steelers knew what they were going to do the entire time, they would just wait until Manning had made his last audible, then they would show blitz, by then the playclock was at 2 secs, and Peyton would have to take the snap. Alot of the times the Steelers would have Farrior over the RG, and Peyton would adjust, but with 2 seconds left, Farrior would move outside of the DE Freeney, so Freeney and Farrior are both over the Tackle, the G is to slow to the outside, Manning should have stepped up and to his left in the spot vacated, but thier stupid o-line pulls the G out, preventing that, so manning can really only go backward, into Farrior who blew by that G.

The Steelers did a great job dictating to the Colts by showing nothing really until it was to late for the Colts to adjust with thier retarded blocking scheme.

this brings serious questions about the colts blocking schemes, I mean its not like blitzing at the last second is the sole providence of plays called against manning and most of the time lines make adjustments on the fly towards threats. how come the colts were so inept and unprepared for what has been a strategy against them since the ravens started doing it?

[ludo21]

Steelers didn't bring more than 4 or five that often in the game. Thats the Key is how many you bring in my opinion.


exactly, and barring miscommunications (another good reason were at home) we should be able to give Jake a ton of time to operate.

[Garcia Bronco]

So...your rational is the technicality that the 4th rusher isn't always a lineman....ergo they don't blitz as much.

I don't know about all that...the point is your team always brings pressure from running up field at the offense...call it blitzing...call it a monkey ****ing a football...but it's all the same thing.

[yavoon]

So...your rational is the technicality that the 4th rusher isn't always a lineman....ergo they don't blitz as much.

I don't know about all that...the point is your team always brings pressure from running up field at the offense...call it blitzing...call it a monkey ****ing a football...but it's all the same thing.

rushing 4 isnt a blitz, rushing 5 and more is. now I guess there is some more subtle complication in dropping lineman because u can rush say 2 lineman and 2 linebackers for 4 and its tempting to not call that a blitz but in reality u r satisfying the real job of a blitz that is sacrificing coverage ability to get to the qb faster. Though maybe that last part is too much, so we just keep it simple, four defenders cross the line of scrimmage, not a blitz.

[freak6]

this brings serious questions about the colts blocking schemes, I mean its not like blitzing at the last second is the sole providence of plays called against manning and most of the time lines make adjustments on the fly towards threats. how come the colts were so inept and unprepared for what has been a strategy against them since the ravens started doing it?

It's not blitzing at the last second, as much as showing WHERE you are blitzing from, because it was Where they were coming from that confused the assignments on thier oline. As was said, they zone blitzed from different angles alot.

I think they reason they were so inept is that thier blocking scheme called for the guard to pull out and take the outside rusher, complicating things, especially when pittsburgh would stunt the left DE where the Colts LG pulled to the outside, especially with the push thier NT gave.

Broncos don't pull thier guards, our tackle takes the most outside guy, and so on and so forth. And our backs do a good job picking up blitzes as well. The stats don't lie, we are the best team in the NFL (I think I saw that on another thread) at picking up the blitz, + Jake is the SNAKE!!!

As far as the Colts, Stinky said they should have made adjustments, and said it was as easy as "crayons and construction paper". They need a new online coach.

[Rohirrim]

It's the quality, not the quantity of Steelers' blitzes that the key.

This week they better figure out how to blitz sideways.;D

[ludo21]

This week they better figure out how to blitz sideways.;D


like off the sideline???

;D

[yavoon]

It's not blitzing at the last second, as much as showing WHERE you are blitzing from, because it was Where they were coming from that confused the assignments on thier oline. As was said, they zone blitzed from different angles alot.

I think they reason they were so inept is that thier blocking scheme called for the guard to pull out and take the outside rusher, complicating things, especially when pittsburgh would stunt the left DE where the Colts LG pulled to the outside, especially with the push thier NT gave.

Broncos don't pull thier guards, our tackle takes the most outside guy, and so on and so forth. And our backs do a good job picking up blitzes as well. The stats don't lie, we are the best team in the NFL (I think I saw that on another thread) at picking up the blitz, + Jake is the SNAKE!!!

As far as the Colts, Stinky said they should have made adjustments, and said it was as easy as "crayons and construction paper". They need a new online coach.

yah well they were definitely inept and sad at doing it. its kinda weird to me atleast I mean they've faced this before, misdirection blitzing, hell peyton has faced the most fanciful and complex defensive gameplans around. yet the oline decides this time to completely collapse and block almost no1.

[Tibs]

For whatever it's worth - and by no means do I want to dampen the enthusiasm that the Broncos will handle the Steelers rush - but Dick LeBeau (D cord.) will devise a gameplan just for the Broncos. What may have worked against the Colts, or the Bengals, may indeed not work on Sunday.

The idea is finding the tendencies that the Broncos do well, as far as picking up the blitz, and then devise an attack against it. What that attack may be changes week to week. But you guys know that.

The main question in my mind is what are they planning for Troy Polamalu. He is the key, as far as how the blitz packages will be put together. And LeBeau will bring CB's, FS's, linebackers, the kitchen sink as they say. But it's not an all-out blitz attack. It's a little smarter than that, and Plummer - and the blockers - will have their hands full trying to figure it out.

And of course, there will be adjustments made - on both sides - during the game as well, depending on what's working, and not working.

It should be a great chess match.

[Rohirrim]

yah well they were definitely inept and sad at doing it. its kinda weird to me atleast I mean they've faced this before, misdirection blitzing, hell peyton has faced the most fanciful and complex defensive gameplans around. yet the oline decides this time to completely collapse and block almost no1.

If you were a Olineman and Payaton was your QB, would you try to stop people from getting to him? Ha!

[defenseman]

The steelers have plenty of quality blitzes in them. However, the bronco's scheme is solid wrt the offensive line and running backs picking up the blitz. I'm sure they'll get to jake at least once, however, if he's reading them right AND the recievers in question also are reading them right, you are looking at alot of YAC's for out TE's and Slots. that said well placed draws and rollouts, you have what is called "steeler soup". Bottom line: correct hot reads = lots of YAC's = blowout for the broncos.....dman

[yavoon]

If you were a Olineman and Payaton was your QB, would you try to stop people from getting to him? Ha!


=DDD

[Rohirrim]

For whatever it's worth - and by no means do I want to dampen the enthusiasm that the Broncos will handle the Steelers rush - but Dick LeBeau (D cord.) will devise a gameplan just for the Broncos. What may have worked against the Colts, or the Bengals, may indeed not work on Sunday.

The idea is finding the tendencies that the Broncos do well, as far as picking up the blitz, and then devise an attack against it. What that attack may be changes week to week. But you guys know that.

The main question in my mind is what are they planning for Troy Polamalu. He is the key, as far as how the blitz packages will be put together. And LeBeau will bring CB's, FS's, linebackers, the kitchen sink as they say. But it's not an all-out blitz attack. It's a little smarter than that, and Plummer - and the blockers - will have their hands full trying to figure it out.

And of course, there will be adjustments made - on both sides - during the game as well, depending on what's working, and not working.

It should be a great chess match.

Funny you should mention that word, "tendencies." Last week, Mangini (or whatever his name is - the DC for the Pats who I guess is now going to the Jets) said that watching film on the Broncos O is kind of a waste of time. He thought that Shanny had everything on the table at any point in the game, that there really was no discernable pattern to the play calling and nothing that you could call a "tendency." All the Steelers have to be prepared for is any call at any time - maybe even BVP lines up at QB while Jake takes the outside WR spot. You never know. :thumbs:

BTW, did you know that Rod Smith can throw the ball?

[freak6]

Tibs- Shanny took Leroy Butler out of SB 32 with his scheme. He'll look to do the same this week with Troy P. I think personally we are gonna run right at him if he shows blitz on 1st or 2nd down. He is a great open field tackler, but he will get eaten up by our running game.

When will the Steeler blitz come into play, 3rd down Ithink. On first down, we dictate to the Steelers what they are gonna do by our package. That is why our most effective plays are play action on 1st down, because we dictate to the defense what they are gonna do, and then use that to our advantage.

For ex. Troy P shows blitz, Jake calls play action audible, and it's one on one outside with our TEs or WR.

[Octavias]

BTW, did you know that Rod Smith can throw the ball?

Yeah, I am really convinced that he and Hines ward are clones, they play the exact same style of game down to a "t"