Manning Blames Offensive Line

[Bronco_Beerslug]

What an idiot! Gets his arse handed to him again and starts blaming people around him. So nice to see this whimpering, whining excuse for a player excised from the playoffs once again. (Can't find his quotes in print but he made them in his post game interview).

Every team in the league knows how to beat Manning now.

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[scorpio]

What an idiot! Gets his arse handed to him again and starts blaming people around him. So nice to see this whimpering, whining excuse for a player excised from the playoffs once again. (Can't find his quotes in print but he made them in his post game interview).

Every team in the league knows how how to beat Manning now.

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Vanderjerk blaming God was pretty good too.

[Merlin]

It was funny reading Naptown's defense of Payaton at the CP. Obviously he was watching a different game.

PS Even if Payaton was correct, you never through your line under the bus that way, if anything throw the whole team, yourself included. But to clearly point them out? Yeah, he does not want to be a bad team-mate! BTW, he was making the call to address that pass rush? Ahh...

[Willynowei]

Let me put this in prespective. Manning was pressured, but was he pressured anymore than Denver did Tom Brady? And yet, before Champs interception, it almost looked like Brady would pull it out.

THis proves it, Tom Brady > Peyton Manning by miles and miles and miles and miles.

Manning is just Drew Bledsoe with a higher IQ, i always say.

He's big, tall smart, but slow as sh*t and that means if he's not protected, he is a liability, not an allstar. He couldnt side step a rush if his life depended on it, only step up, and unless your O-line plays well or Defenses don't blitz, ur pretty screwed.

[Elway 4 Life]

I'm goint to say and I dont know if it has been said before. Manning = Marino. Milles and miles of stats with no hardware. Manning is the biggest imposter in football. He is a selfish prick. I wish his oline would take him out back and beat him.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Vanderjerk blaming God was pretty good too.

Dungy apparently believed there was some kind of divine intervention going on also.

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"I'm proud of this team. They handled every trial that came upon them. I really thought the Lord's hand was on this team." -- Colts coach Tony Dungy.
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[-Slap-]

It was funny reading Naptown's defense of Payaton at the CP. Obviously he was watching a different game.

PS Even if Payaton was correct, you never through your line under the bus that way, if anything throw the whole team, yourself included. But to clearly point them out? Yeah, he does not want to be a bad team-mate! BTW, he was making the call to address that pass rush? Ahh...
You gotta be ****ting me. If that gutless display of happy feet didn't completely convince everyone Peyton is a choking dog, nothing ever will.

Well, since Manning is already quarterback and head coach, he might as well replace Polian as GM and start drafting offensive linemen, too.

[fontaine]

"I'm proud of this team. They handled every trial that came upon them. I really thought the Lord's hand was on this team." -- Colts coach Tony Dungy.

Handled every trial?

Well no. They didn't handle the perfect season.

They didn't handle the most important game of the season last weekend.

Anyways, thanks for trying. You lose, come back and try next year and be better prepared with the excuses. I mean, c'mon, everyone knows Manning calls the audibles and check downs etc so pass protection was as much on him as the OL.

I dunno, I thought Manning was better when he was blaming his idiot kicker.

[fontaine]

You gotta be ****ting me. If that gutless display of happy feet didn't completely convince everyone Peyton is a choking dog, nothing ever will.

Well, since Manning is already quarterback and head coach, he might as well replace Polian as GM and start drafting offensive linemen, too.

It's not just Manning. Apparently, a lot of Dolt fans are also calling for the OL except for Jeff Saturday.

[-Slap-]

It's not just Manning. Apparently, a lot of Dolt fans are also calling for the OL except for Jeff Saturday.
I love that they're all hypnotized. Another poster (can't remember who) labeled Paidaton quite aptly yesterday. He said Manning was nothing but a really really really smart Drew Bledsoe. I thought that was a pretty good analogy.

[terry251973]

just like with most teams.the offensive line gets blamed but never given the credit.where was the colts credit to the offensive line when they were protecting peytons ass all year.FICKLE.

[Orange_Beard]

"I'm proud of this team. They handled every trial that came upon them. I really thought the Lord's hand was on this team." -- Colts coach Tony Dungy.

Did he really say this? What a dumb-ass.

Everyone knows Rod is God. And the hands of Rod have been to busy to worry about the Colts.(LOL)

The Colts should bring in John Gruden, he won it all with Dungy's team last time. With the Colts you have a QB who can't win the big game and a Coach who can'tdo it either.
Maybe John Gruden has a more direct line to GOD.

[Rock Chalk]

It's not just Manning. Apparently, a lot of Dolt fans are also calling for the OL except for Jeff Saturday.
Sad thing is, Saturday was getting beat more than most of them. THeir blitzes up the middle were particularly devastating.

ANd this ****ing clown beat Nalen out for a Pro-Bowl spot/.

[fontaine]

Sad thing is, Saturday was getting beat more than most of them. THeir blitzes up the middle were particularly devastating.

ANd this ****ing clown beat Nalen out for a Pro-Bowl spot/.

I think that was because the league couldn't give Manning TWO probowl spots like they wanted to so they just dished one out to Saturday, so that Manning wouldn't fumble the exchange at the snap in the pro-bowl!

Meanwhile, Plummer enjoyed solid protection all game long.

Lepsis was a monster out there as well. They were lining up Colvin and McGinest up against him really out wide so that Lepsis had to be upright instead of using a three point stance.

Considering that McGinest had just set the record for most sacks in a postseason game, and that we were telegraphing our passing plays because we couldn't run and kept on going to empty backfields, I thought it was a heroic performance by Matt Lepsis, but he's been doing that all season long.

[Rock Chalk]

Lepsis neutralized completely the all time post season sack leader which is nothing to scoff at considering he got the record in fewer games than the previous record holder had.

[WolfpackGuy]

Dungy AND Manning. Need I say more? The playoffs are like the Florida Gators to Manning.

[Paladin]

I think that was because the league couldn't give Manning TWO probowl spots like they wanted to so they just dished one out to Saturday, so that Manning wouldn't fumble the exchange at the snap in the pro-bowl!

Meanwhile, Plummer enjoyed solid protection all game long.

Lepsis was a monster out there as well. They were lining up Colvin and McGinest up against him really out wide so that Lepsis had to be upright instead of using a three point stance.

Considering that McGinest had just set the record for most sacks in a postseason game, and that we were telegraphing our passing plays because we couldn't run and kept on going to empty backfields, I thought it was a heroic performance by Matt Lepsis, but he's been doing that all season long.

That is a really, really good point. Now that I think about it, the pats had only one sack (I forget who) and it did not come over Lepsis. If he stays with Denver next year, I would look for him to get some all-pro mentions.

I am not daunted by the "great Run D" of the pats. As Shanahan once said, anyone can shut down the run, but you do give somethng up to do that. The passing game was, well, passable, but I was dismayed that Shanahan kept trying to go long when a shorter, crisper game would have been more effective, IMO. Further, when Bell ran outside to the right, he picked up some yards cutting back at the tackle position.

The picture of the pats' LBs squabbling on the sidelines was.... well, priceless. I wonder what was actually said?

[Sgt Sauce]

"Santa I'd really like to be able to win a Super Bowl one day"


"Hey doofus, I'm just an electrician makin' some extra cash.. get your big retarded ass of my leg"

[fontaine]

"Santa I'd really like to be able to win a Super Bowl one day"


Too bad. Manning should have asked for some courage and heart instead.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Lepsis neutralized completely the all time post season sack leader which is nothing to scoff at considering he got the record in fewer games than the previous record holder had.

My pick for most under rated player in the league this year is Lepsis. Broncs ran left almost twice as often as in the past five years and he has done a magnificent job in pass protection. Some think he will bail and go back to Texas with Kubiak, but no way Bowlen lets him go. With the ties he has developed here with people and investments, those Texas ties are cut.

[DarkHorse30]

Sad thing is, Saturday was getting beat more than most of them. THeir blitzes up the middle were particularly devastating.

ANd this ****ing clown beat Nalen out for a Pro-Bowl spot/.

Yeah, my first thought when Mawae got hurt this year was that Nalen would get voted in. Maybe the Indy-probowl-gasbag has been deflated this year...finally.

[BAM44]

At least the Colts were well Rested

[fontaine]

At least the Colts were well Rested

Yes, they can be well rested to play hard in the pro-bowl!

Now what?
• Free agents: The Colts' unrestricted free agents include running backs Edgerrin James and James Mungro, wide receivers Reggie Wayne and Troy Walters, linebackers David Thornton, Rob Morris and Rocky Calmus, defensive end Raheem Brock, defensive back Joseph Jefferson and place-kicker Mike Vanderjagt.

It's not all bad news though, Colts fans do have the National Football Scouting Combine to look forward to!

[ozomulsion]

I found it funny that TD fully backed up Manning's coments.

[anthonypacino]

He is living up to the legacy of and name of MANRINO very well! I remember a Denver linebacker (one that I wasn't to fond of) once saying that he was the easiest QB in the league to game plan for, what you had to worry about was the talent around him. Manrino can do nothing wrong in his mind, those incompletions weren't his fault, getting put on his back 5 times wasn't his fault, 4 false starts in his own house. This guy is the ultimate leader! (I hope everybody can feel the sarcasm oozing of of this)

[WolfpackGuy]

Never saw John Elway yell or call out his teammates. Actually, the only person I ever saw him yell at was Bosworth-less.

[shakenbake]

Is it just me or does Manning come off as being a fake person. I cant stand his little act or the fact that the media buys into it. He is the guy that put his O-line in the postion to have to pass protect for 38 times while only running 14. Im sorry when you have edge and you only give him the ball 13 times in a playoff game (and trust me Manning is the one calling the plays) thats not a good things and thats on Manning. And then he comes out and takes a shot at his O-line....what a prick. Say what you will about Jake there is no way he would ever call out his online in public like the great fake peyton manning.

[anthonypacino]

You know whats even worse that his comments to the media in my eyes...showing up his coach by sending the punt unit off the field and making his coach look like the biggest lame duck in the NFL. Can you imagine any other HOF QB doing that to his coach in a nationly televised playoff game?

[orangeatheist]

You know whats even worse that his comments to the media in my eyes...showing up his coach by sending the punt unit off the field and making his coach look like the biggest lame duck in the NFL. Can you imagine any other HOF QB doing that to his coach in a nationly televised playoff game?

I can't argue that Manning isn't the biggest pr!ck in the NFL, he is, but I did see an interveiw with Dungy in which he was asked about what Manning did in waving off the punting team. He said that he and Manning are in constant communication and that he (Dungy) had told him to stay on the field and that's why Manning waved the punting unit off. It wasn't Manning dissing Dungy; it was Manning doing what Dungy told him to do.

[Play2win]

"The protection should have been better"

Well, Pay-Me-A-Ton, you whiney little b*tch, You should have CALLED A DIFFERENT AUDIBLE, or, maybe, you SHOULDN'T HAVE CALLED AN AUDIBLE AT ALL...

Its on you head, you didn't make the right calls, so OWN UP...

Something you probably haven't ever done your entire life, because its ALWAYS BEEN GIVEN TO YOU...

............

Atleast we won't have to see Pay-Me-A-Ton Manning Fvcking a monkey for atleast another 8 months...

hallelujah!!! :pray: :notworthy

[Play2win]

I can't argue that Manning isn't the biggest pr!ck in the NFL, he is, but I did see an interveiw with Dungy in which he was asked about what Manning did in waving off the punting team. He said that he and Manning are in constant communication and that he (Dungy) had told him to stay on the field and that's why Manning waved the punting unit off. It wasn't Manning dissing Dungy; it was Manning doing what Dungy told him to do.

BS...

Tony was just saying that. LYING to Cover Payton's Ass.

Just another time in Manning's Life where he doesn't have to own up to his own actions

Tony is just covering for payton. So, I don't know who that makes the WEAKER INDIVIDUAL...

payton for insubordination and blaming his Oline for his own deficiencies, or DUNGY, for not being man enough to let the blame fall where it should. To me, Dungy is alot like the Kid in elementary school who keeps giving his milk money (to payton)...

[anthonypacino]

I can't argue that Manning isn't the biggest pr!ck in the NFL, he is, but I did see an interveiw with Dungy in which he was asked about what Manning did in waving off the punting team. He said that he and Manning are in constant communication and that he (Dungy) had told him to stay on the field and that's why Manning waved the punting unit off. It wasn't Manning dissing Dungy; it was Manning doing what Dungy told him to do.
I think Dungy is covering for him, I don't think Dungy calls the plays, Tom Moore would be the one is constant contact with Manrino, a coach gives the order to send the punt team, they don't just all run out on their own on 4th and short. Why would Dungy change his mind so quickly? If he is that indecisive in a playoff game it is no wonder he hasn't ever had success in the playoffs. He is a prideful man and I'm sure he doesn't want any controversy between the poster boy and the coach so thats why he is covering for him.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I can't argue that Manning isn't the biggest pr!ck in the NFL, he is, but I did see an interveiw with Dungy in which he was asked about what Manning did in waving off the punting team. He said that he and Manning are in constant communication and that he (Dungy) had told him to stay on the field and that's why Manning waved the punting unit off. It wasn't Manning dissing Dungy; it was Manning doing what Dungy told him to do.

Dungy was flabbergasted! He HAD called for the punting team.

[shakenbake]

If manning where a smart man he would huddle up walk up to the line and run a play. Could you imagine how much that would catch a D off guard. Step up to the line and do nothing but run the play, go on a quick count.

[jonny1]

Concerning Lepsis, I had that thought watching the game, the fact that we didn't hear McGinest's name called once on a pass play.

[BigPlayShay]

Manning is an a comlete and total ego f_cking maniac. He calls the damn plays, if there is a problem wih protection, call something with max protection. Or how about this, when you have 2nd and 2 and then 3rd and 2 from the 28, why not run the damn ball. Maybe you get a first down. Maybe you get your kicker closer.

He is a fraud, a choker, and most of all an a**hole.

[yavoon]

my guess is the month off(retards) killed the colts as the first drives went like this:

touchdown, 3andout, touchdown, 3andout. and the game ended 21-18. that being said manning's line did pretty bad, but oh well. I realize I can't make too much of a dent because colorado is the nerve center of all manning hate.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

my guess is the month off(retards) killed the colts as the first drives went like this:

touchdown, 3andout, touchdown, 3andout. and the game ended 21-18. that being said manning's line did pretty bad, but oh well. I realize I can't make too much of a dent because colorado is the nerve center of all manning hate.
You can't make much of a dent because we are one of the few fan bases with the knowledge and education to see Manning for what he is.

Would you like to offer up some excuses why Manning can't win a big game while you're at it?

[The Big E]

Let me put this in prespective. Manning was pressured, but was he pressured anymore than Denver did Tom Brady? And yet, before Champs interception, it almost looked like Brady would pull it out.

THis proves it, Tom Brady > Peyton Manning by miles and miles and miles and miles.

Manning is just Drew Bledsoe with a higher IQ, i always say.

He's big, tall smart, but slow as sh*t and that means if he's not protected, he is a liability, not an allstar. He couldnt side step a rush if his life depended on it, only step up, and unless your O-line plays well or Defenses don't blitz, ur pretty screwed.
I agree that I'd take Brady over Melonhead any day. He's much tougher, much more resilient. Still, we got under his skin some, especially in the first half.

I wasn't impressed with either of the Golden Children in their post-game conferences. Manning blames his O-line. Brady (and BB) very reluctant to give any props to Denver. Brady was asked if he thought the Broncos could win the next two games, and he hemmed and hawed, just said he didn't know how the teams would play. F him. Enjoy the games on TV.

Meanwhile, our homeless QB is clearly the anti-golden boy, coming to the press conference in shorts, no shoes, and ripping on Salisbury and the other so-called experts. I like our guy better.

[yavoon]

You can't make much of a dent because we are one of the few fan bases with the knowledge and education to see Manning for what he is.

Would you like to offer up some excuses why Manning can't win a big game while you're at it?

is a divisional game a big game? cuz he's won those. it has nothing to do w/ education, it has to do w/ the beatings manning has handed colorado. why did elway lose 3 straight superbowls? teams win football games, if u actually look at the game manning had a decent game, not great by his standards but decent.

stop pretending ur massive education fuels ur manning hate and just manup that ur bitter and love this little tiny piece of vengance u get to exact on him.

[The Big E]

You can't make much of a dent because we are one of the few fan bases with the knowledge and education to see Manning for what he is.

Would you like to offer up some excuses why Manning can't win a big game while you're at it?
Things couldn't have lined up better for Indy this year, yet they still failed. And whose fault is it that they took a month off? They only had one bye week, just like us.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

is a divisional game a big game? cuz he's won those. it has nothing to do w/ education, it has to do w/ the beatings manning has handed colorado. why did elway lose 3 straight superbowls? teams win football games, if u actually look at the game manning had a decent game, not great by his standards but decent.

stop pretending ur massive education fuels ur manning hate and just manup that ur bitter and love this little tiny piece of vengance u get to exact on him.
Not for the best team in the NFL.

At least Elway was getting less than powerful teams to those SBs.


Now, what's your excuses for Manning not being able to win the big game?

[terry251973]

I agree that I'd take Brady over Melonhead any day. He's much tougher, much more resilient. Still, we got under his skin some, especially in the first half.

I wasn't impressed with either of the Golden Children in their post-game conferences. Manning blames his O-line. Brady (and BB) very reluctant to give any props to Denver. Brady was asked if he thought the Broncos could win the next two games, and he hemmed and hawed, just said he didn't know how the teams would play. F him. Enjoy the games on TV.

Meanwhile, our homeless QB is clearly the anti-golden boy, coming to the press conference in shorts, no shoes, and ripping on Salisbury and the other so-called experts. I like our guy better.
I MISSED IT.WHAT DID JAKE SAY ABOUT SALISBURY STEAK?

[yavoon]

Not for the best team in the NFL.

At least Elway was getting less than powerful teams to those SBs.


Now, what's your excuses for Manning not being able to win the big game?

do I need an excuse? its been a long road for manning but if u think he doesn't perform in big games or is somehow "incapable" of doing well enough to win them then ur just a stupid redneck football fan.

[The Big E]

I MISSED IT.WHAT DID JAKE SAY ABOUT SALISBURY STEAK?
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=36337

Freak15 started this thread after the game. I saw the start of the press conference when our shoeless QB came out, but I missed this quote. I wish I'd seen it, though:

"We know how good we are, so long as we have that knowledge, it doesnt matter what other people say, I don't care if SEAN SALISBURY all of sudden thinks were good now" - Jake the Snake

[Bronco_Beerslug]

do I need an excuse? its been a long road for manning but if u think he doesn't perform in big games or is somehow "incapable" of doing well enough to win them then ur just a stupid redneck football fan.
If you think Manning is winning the big games you're more ignorant than your pig-English typing would lead one to believe.

[yavoon]

If you think Manning is winning the big games you're more ignorant than your pig-English typing would lead one to believe.

no I just realize that football is a lot more fickle and complex than a lot of ppl make it out to be. that this idea that qb's win and lose games or that certain ppl will never win a big game while others will never lose it is also flawed. judge individual players on what they do individually.

[WolfpackGuy]

Tennessee won the title with Tee freakin Martin after Manning left. What does that tell ya?

[yavoon]

dont know much about college but in the pros manning is 3-6 as a starter in the playoffs. the three wins were when manning's qb rating was over 150. to me that looks like the indianapolis colts can't win a playoff game if manning isnt annhilating the opponent, AND EVEN THEN one of the games was close.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

dont know much about college but in the pros manning is 3-6 as a starter in the playoffs. the three wins were when manning's qb rating was over 150. to me that looks like the indianapolis colts can't win a playoff game if manning isnt annhilating the opponent, AND EVEN THEN one of the games was close.

Classic! Manning is god when they win a game, it's the teams fault when he loses. You must be taking lessons from his press conferences.

[yavoon]

Classic! Manning is god when they win a game, it's the teams fault when he loses. You must be taking lessons from his press conferences.

what else do u make of it? how many teams in nfl history do u know that need their qb's rating to be over 150 to win? what would u think of the broncos if jake plummer had to have a 150 qb rating for them to win? my guess is not much, well thats what u got w/ the colts.

[anthonypacino]

dont know much about college but in the pros manning is 3-6 as a starter in the playoffs. the three wins were when manning's qb rating was over 150. to me that looks like the indianapolis colts can't win a playoff game if manning isnt annhilating the opponent, AND EVEN THEN one of the games was close.
Personally I don't like Manning, for childish reasons, he scorched the Broncos a few times in the playoffs, but more for his conduct on the field, in a Monday noght game this year they were trailing in a game and Manning went over and started screaming at the line coach, you see him after an incompletion and he is shaking his head and jawing at the receiver. History shows us that a QB alone can't win in the NFL that is why John lost 3 SB's, why Marino never won one, the sad thing is Manrino has players but thinks too much of himself and tries to do too much

[broncosteven]

I still don't see how Manrino can blame "Lack of protection" for his bad throws that should have been pic's Troy P should have had at least 2 of them & there were a couple of other bad throws when he was in the pocket not under pressure where he threw the ball to a receiver that ran the wrong route. He was just confused & afraid of being sacked, he was not prepared for what Pitt was doing.

I think the fact that the Steelers took the ball down the field 1st & scored with ease scared the NFL poster boy & he crap running down his leg all day messing up the timing of his throws. Same thing happend to DUH Bears.

And here I thought only the Chicks that did Ron Mexico Had "protection issues"!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

what else do u make of it? how many teams in nfl history do u know that need their qb's rating to be over 150 to win? what would u think of the broncos if jake plummer had to have a 150 qb rating for them to win? my guess is not much, well thats what u got w/ the colts.
He chokes on the big one?

[Elway 4 Life]

My pick for most under rated player in the league this year is Lepsis. Broncs ran left almost twice as often as in the past five years and he has done a magnificent job in pass protection. Some think he will bail and go back to Texas with Kubiak, but no way Bowlen lets him go. With the ties he has developed here with people and investments, those Texas ties are cut.
On that note I'll put my vote in for the most overated player. Was vick, now Manning takes a demanding lead.:~ohyah!:

[Elway 4 Life]

You know whats even worse that his comments to the media in my eyes...showing up his coach by sending the punt unit off the field and making his coach look like the biggest lame duck in the NFL. Can you imagine any other HOF QB doing that to his coach in a nationly televised playoff game?
I was wondering about that. I cant believe Dungy just let that happen. It just shows that Dungy has no control over the big headed. I think manning is very lucky they got that 1st down or he would have looked like an even bigger ass.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I was wondering about that. I cant believe Dungy just let that happen. It just shows that Dungy has no control over the big headed. I think manning is very lucky they got that 1st down or he would have looked like an even bigger ass.


For what it is worth, Dungy said today that he (Dungy) called the play to go for it, but the ST coach did not get the message and was to blame for starting the punt team on the field. We can all blame Manning, but I suspect Dungy's explanation is accurate.

[Elway 4 Life]

For what it is worth, Dungy said today that he (Dungy) called the play to go for it, but the ST coach did not get the message and was to blame for starting the punt team on the field. We can all blame Manning, but I suspect Dungy's explanation is accurate.
I think he was trying to save face. The look on Dungy's face said it all. I think that manning took the game into his own hands. I guess we will never know the truth.

[ozomulsion]

For what it is worth, Dungy said today that he (Dungy) called the play to go for it, but the ST coach did not get the message and was to blame for starting the punt team on the field. We can all blame Manning, but I suspect Dungy's explanation is accurate.
That excuse(the likely truth)won't be accepted here on the Mane. Where most posters call Manning a cry baby without realizing there posts make them look like just as big of a crybaby themselves. Pretty sad really. :P

[NYBronc]

I look like Nelson.

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HA HA!

[-Slap-]

People can keep on making excuses for Manning. Four years ago the field was too muddy. Three years ago they mugged his receivers. Last year was the defense's fault, now its the offensive line.

Apparently this jugheaded prima donna requires All Pros all around him on both sides of the football or all blame will be deflected elsewhere. I imagine they'll start subtly pressuring Dungy to take some time off "for personal reasons" now.

Guess what apologists? Quarterbacks are going to get pressured during a course of a football game. Especially during a playoff game. There is no excuse for an eight year veteran to be bouncing around in the pocket with happy feet for two thirds of the ballgame.

In March, Peyton will turn 30. His career is at least half over. This was the Colts best chance to win it all. They even had the Super Bowl in a dome. Age and free agency are closing their window quickly, though.

Best af all, now everybody knows how to beat Manning. Simply blitz him and pound on him and take your chances. More often than not, he'll curl up like a baby.

[anthonypacino]

People can keep on making excuses for Manning. Four years ago the field was too muddy. Three years ago they mugged his receivers. Last year was the defense's fault, now its the offensive line.

Apparently this jugheaded prima donna requires All Pros all around him on both sides of the football or all blame will be deflected elsewhere. I imagine they'll start subtly pressuring Dungy to take some time off "for personal reasons" now.

Guess what apologists? Quarterbacks are going to get pressured during a course of a football game. Especially during a playoff game. There is no excuse for an eight year veteran to be bouncing around in the pocket with happy feet for two thirds of the ballgame.

In March, Peyton will turn 30. His career is at least half over. This was the Colts best chance to win it all. They even had the Super Bowl in a dome. Age and free agency are closing their window quickly, though.

Best af all, now everybody knows how to beat Manning. Simply blitz him and pound on him and take your chances. More often than not, he'll curl up like a baby.exactlly! did anyone besides me notice how the steelers never went into a "prevent" D?

[yavoon]

He chokes on the big one?

yah that makes a lot of sense, dumbass.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

That excuse(the likely truth)won't be accepted here on the Mane. Where most posters call Manning a cry baby without realizing there posts make them look like just as big of a crybaby themselves. Pretty sad really. :P

It's not accepted in ANY circles. The shell-shocked look on Dungy's face told the whole story. What do you expect Dungy to say? And this isn't the first time "coach" Manning has pulled this sh*t.

Defending Manning is like pissing in the wind, it's going to get all over you.

[yavoon]

exactlly! did anyone besides me notice how the steelers never went into a "prevent" D?

the play w/ the troy polomalu int that wasn't meant to be was rush 3 drop 8, so was the play before that.

[yavoon]

People can keep on making excuses for Manning. Four years ago the field was too muddy. Three years ago they mugged his receivers. Last year was the defense's fault, now its the offensive line.

Apparently this jugheaded prima donna requires All Pros all around him on both sides of the football or all blame will be deflected elsewhere. I imagine they'll start subtly pressuring Dungy to take some time off "for personal reasons" now.

Guess what apologists? Quarterbacks are going to get pressured during a course of a football game. Especially during a playoff game. There is no excuse for an eight year veteran to be bouncing around in the pocket with happy feet for two thirds of the ballgame.

In March, Peyton will turn 30. His career is at least half over. This was the Colts best chance to win it all. They even had the Super Bowl in a dome. Age and free agency are closing their window quickly, though.

Best af all, now everybody knows how to beat Manning. Simply blitz him and pound on him and take your chances. More often than not, he'll curl up like a baby.

manning's qb rating vs the blitz is astronomic. the steelers did blitz but there was more to it than that on one play joey porter lined up as the fourth guy on the LOS in a 2 pt stance, the steelers rushed 4 and porter went unblocked and sacked manning. the indy protection was not only wrecked, it was atrocious.

[yavoon]

I was wondering about that. I cant believe Dungy just let that happen. It just shows that Dungy has no control over the big headed. I think manning is very lucky they got that 1st down or he would have looked like an even bigger ass.

manning has done this before. dungy has zero real game management skills, unless of course u can play martyball and when. so tell me we know this is part of what manning does(wave off the punt unit) why is no1 in this thread recognizing it?

[broncosteven]

People can keep on making excuses for Manning. Four years ago the field was too muddy. Three years ago they mugged his receivers. Last year was the defense's fault, now its the offensive line.

Apparently this jugheaded prima donna requires All Pros all around him on both sides of the football or all blame will be deflected elsewhere. I imagine they'll start subtly pressuring Dungy to take some time off "for personal reasons" now.

Guess what apologists? Quarterbacks are going to get pressured during a course of a football game. Especially during a playoff game. There is no excuse for an eight year veteran to be bouncing around in the pocket with happy feet for two thirds of the ballgame.

In March, Peyton will turn 30. His career is at least half over. This was the Colts best chance to win it all. They even had the Super Bowl in a dome. Age and free agency are closing their window quickly, though.

Best af all, now everybody knows how to beat Manning. Simply blitz him and pound on him and take your chances. More often than not, he'll curl up like a baby.

At least Jake can pull the ball down & scramble for positive yards. THe only problem I have with Jake is when he throws the ball with nothing on it, off his back foot or off balance. He is good to great throwing on the run something "Ringless in RCA DOME" Manrino cannot do well.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

yah that makes a lot of sense, dumbass.

Hey rube, get off Mannings manhood, come up for some air and try and clear your head so you can cypher basic english.

[Elway 4 Life]

That excuse(the likely truth)won't be accepted here on the Mane. Where most posters call Manning a cry baby without realizing there posts make them look like just as big of a crybaby themselves. Pretty sad really. :P
And how do you see Manning?

[yavoon]

Hey rube, get off Mannings manhood, come up for some air and try and clear your head so you can cypher basic english.

oh just because I realize that manning can't get a 150 qb rating everytime he steps on the field means I'm on his manhood? what do u expect out of manning? truth is u dont "expect" anything ur just running off some bland cliche of "choking" when in reality he was on his ass a lot of yesterday due to protection, didnt have a turnover, threw for almost 300 yards and nearly led his team back.

manning can't defend the pass in the first quarter, manning can't kick field goals, and yesterday manning can't passblock.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

manning has done this before. dungy has zero real game management skills, unless of course u can play martyball and when. so tell me we know this is part of what manning does(wave off the punt unit) why is no1 in this thread recognizing it?

Plug this crap into the translator so people can understand WTF you're saying.

[Elway 4 Life]

manning has done this before. dungy has zero real game management skills, unless of course u can play martyball and when. so tell me we know this is part of what manning does(wave off the punt unit) why is no1 in this thread recognizing it?
I think I did recognize this. The problem I have with a QB doing this is if he fails to get the first down his coach will then take the heat for him which is BS. Manning is a primadonna that has had a silver F***in spoon in his mouth since birth. He is as bad a leader if not worse than dungy. He will never take responsibility for anything. He is a big ol' turd that nobody can seem to flush except during the playoffs.

[Swedish Extrovert]

I couldn't find these quotes.

[yavoon]

Plug this crap into the translator so people can understand WTF you're saying.
I can see where this is going, the chance of u making another post w/ much content in it much less returning to the real discussion is nonexistant. ur just another redneck cliche whore who just as quickly as u run out of cliche's run into personal insults.

[yavoon]

I think I did recognize this. The problem I have with a QB doing this is if he fails to get the first down his coach will then take the heat for him which is BS. Manning is a primadonna that has had a silver ****in spoon in his mouth since birth. He is as bad a leader if not worse than dungy. He will never take responsibility for anything. He is a big ol' turd that nobody can seem to flush except during the playoffs.

whether they got the first down or not it was the right call. if dungy can't make that call then someone has to.

[Elway 4 Life]

manning can't defend the pass in the first quarter, manning can't kick field goals, and yesterday manning can't passblock.

He sure can miss alot of wide open receivers. When he did have time he missed some passes. I am really trying to understand why you would stand up for an obvious jerkoff like him especially being a bronco fan. I hate manning but I do recognize that he is a very talented QB. I also recognize that he is the worst loser in the NFL that will not take any responsibility for a loss. He is a POS leader.

[Elway 4 Life]

whether they got the first down or not it was the right call. if dungy can't make that call then someone has to.

It's not manning's place to make that call. Why is dungy the coach then? There has to be something there or he wouldnt be were he is. I'm not buying that you should undermine the authority of the coach. Never ever. It sends a horrible message to the rest of the team.

[-Slap-]

manning's qb rating vs the blitz is astronomic. the steelers did blitz but there was more to it than that on one play joey porter lined up as the fourth guy on the LOS in a 2 pt stance, the steelers rushed 4 and porter went unblocked and sacked manning. the indy protection was not only wrecked, it was atrocious.
Thanks for being a useful idiot and exhibit A in our presentation.

I don't a give a **** what his rating is against the blitz. All the blitz has to do is find him a few times and he starts in with the happy feet. If you didn't notice that he was rattled and shaky in the pocket, even when he had protection, then you should just find a new hobby. This one is too complex for you.

[-Slap-]

manning can't defend the pass in the first quarter, manning can't kick field goals, and yesterday manning can't passblock.

wow

I'm fascinated by mass stupidity, but it also kind of frightens me.

[maven]

I will say though maybe the Colts GM should invest in a legit fullback and a blocking TE for pass protection.

[LLB]

The happy feet were totally un-Manninglike. I missed the first half of the game and couldn't believe it when I finally turned it on. He was dancing all over the place. It reminded me of Jim Everett in a game I saw a few years ago. Fade back, jump around and throw the ball to no one. At least he didn't throw himself on the ground and curl up in a fetal position, like Everett did.
I, for one, am kind of disappointed that the Colts lost. I would have liked to see the Broncos be the ones to punk them in their own house.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I can see where this is going, the chance of u making another post w/ much content in it much less returning to the real discussion is nonexistant. ur just another redneck cliche whore who just as quickly as u run out of cliche's run into personal insults.

You started name-calling Einstein so don't bug out now that you're getting some of your own medicine back.

And learn how to post in English.

3rd graders have better language skills than you possess.

[ozomulsion]

And how do you see Manning?

I like the guy. I'm sure not upset he lost yesterday though. I think the sour grapes around here are childish.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I like the guy. I'm sure not upset he lost yesterday though. I think the sour grapes around here are childish.

Sour grapes? I see an accurate assessment of the media's darling who can't win a big game and blames his teammates.
hardly sour grapes, more like pure pleasure.

What do you see?

[-Slap-]

The happy feet were totally un-Manninglike. I missed the first half of the game and couldn't believe it when I finally turned it on. He was dancing all over the place. It reminded me of Jim Everett in a game I saw a few years ago. Fade back, jump around and throw the ball to no one. At least he didn't throw himself on the ground and curl up in a fetal position, like Everett did.
I, for one, am kind of disappointed that the Colts lost. I would have liked to see the Broncos be the ones to punk them in their own house.
I thought the happy feet were very Manninglike. Peyton is a robot. Under optimum conditions, he operates at peak efficiency. Disrupt his programming and he malfunctions. He's simply a better version of Bledsoe. At least Bledsoe made it to the Big Game once. Peyton will never get there.

[The Big E]

I will say though maybe the Colts GM should invest in a legit fullback and a blocking TE for pass protection.
C'mon now, how much freakin' offensive talent does he need around him? I think he has more than enough already.

[-Slap-]

C'mon now, how much freakin' offensive talent does he need around him? I think he has more than enough already.
No, obviously there's not enough talent on the offensive line.

See, last year it was the defense.

Year before it was the Patriots mugging his receivers.

Year before that it was a muddy field.

Too goddamn funny.

[Clockwork Orange]

I like the guy. I'm sure not upset he lost yesterday though. I think the sour grapes around here are childish.

Criticizing him for throwing his teammates under the bus is sour grapes? Yeah, sure.

Gee Peyton, maybe if you didn't scream at them like they were your children on the sideline and publicly rip them after your latest playoff failure they might be be a bit more amped up about protecting your statue-esque ass.

If he wants all the credit when the team wins, he'd better be ready to take the blame when they lose. But this is Manning we're talking about, his ego won't allow it.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I will say though maybe the Colts GM should invest in a legit fullback and a blocking TE for pass protection.

Well that would take a change of offensive since it takes away a receiver. i like the power game, but that is not what they have chosen to run.

[anthonypacino]

No, obviously there's not enough talent on the offensive line.

See, last year it was the defense.

Year before it was the Patriots mugging his receivers.

Year before that it was a muddy field.

Too goddamn funny.
not only that but he had the refs this year too, and still couldn't get it done!
now everybody is making the excuse "you have to understand how emotional Peyton was"

[ozomulsion]

Criticizing him for throwing his teammates under the bus is sour grapes? Yeah, sure.

Gee Peyton, maybe if you didn't scream at them like they were your children on the sideline and publicly rip them after your latest playoff failure they might be be a bit more amped up about protecting your statue-esque ass.

If he wants all the credit when the team wins, he'd better be ready to take the blame when they lose. But this is Manning we're talking about, his ego won't allow it.
The reporter asked: Do you feel like you had any breakdowns in protection?
What should Manning have said? This?
Well we allowed 5 sacks but our protection was great, no breakdowns ????????????
Like I said, sour grapes.

[The Big E]

Sweet grapes

[Clockwork Orange]

The reporter asked: Do you feel like you had any breakdowns in protection?
What should Manning have said? This?
Well we allowed 5 sacks but our protection was great, no breakdowns ????????????
Like I said, sour grapes.

Really? Then why did Manning feel the need to qualify his statements by starting it with, "I'm trying to be a good teammate here." If you have to start a sentence with that statement, you're not begin a good teammate. If this had come out of Terrell Owens mouth instead of golden boy Manning, people would be having a field day with it. Instead we're supposed to give him a free pass simply because he's Peyton Manning. Right. ::)

Elway was sacked more than any QB in NFL history and I don't ever remember him pointing a finger at his O-linemen. Not once. But then Elway was a leader, Manning is not.

Keep spinning it though, you Manning apologists are having to reach farther to protect your hero every year. It's good for a laugh.

[-Slap-]

not only that but he had the refs this year too, and still couldn't get it done!
now everybody is making the excuse "you have to understand how emotional Peyton was"
The Great John Elway carried overmatched teams into three Super Bowls in his first seven years in the League. I never remember him calling out his teammates after those crushing losses. Meanwhile damn near everybody was saying Elway can't win the big one and a hell of a lot worse.

[anthonypacino]

The Great John Elway carried overmatched teams into three Super Bowls in his first seven years in the League. I never remember him calling out his teammates after those crushing losses. Meanwhile damn near everybody was saying Elway can't win the big one and a hell of a lot worse.
You are right Elway never called out anyone. The hype around guys like Manning and Vick blows my mind, I got more respect for Brady and McNabb. Why are the Manning clan held in such high regards? They haven't won anything, Archie never even had a winning season and truly before Peyton came into the league Archie's name was forgotten or unknown to many people. His little bro had a decent year but was it better than any typical Jeff Hostettler, Kerry Collins year?

[sippybrew]

sheesh, So steelers kicking thier ass and being a better team had nothing to do with it?

[Clockwork Orange]

His little bro had a decent year but was it better than any typical Jeff Hostettler, Kerry Collins year?

No. The Giants actually won some playoff games with Hostettler and Collins under center.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The Great John Elway carried overmatched teams into three Super Bowls in his first seven years in the League. I never remember him calling out his teammates after those crushing losses. Meanwhile damn near everybody was saying Elway can't win the big one and a hell of a lot worse.

That's the difference between a winner ("The Great John Elway") and a whiner (Manning). John never bad-mouthed anyone on those teams no matter how bad a ass-kicking he was taking.

[Elway 4 Life]

The reporter asked: Do you feel like you had any breakdowns in protection?
What should Manning have said? This?
Well we allowed 5 sacks but our protection was great, no breakdowns ????????????
Like I said, sour grapes.

He could have said I missed a couple of wide open receivers. We just got outplayed by a very good team.

Instead he says if I would have had better blocking we might have won. What a f-ing prick.

Not sour grapes just disgust at what a selfish overpaid jerkoff he is.

[Merlin]

Lets look at some of these claims.

1. He has a phenomenal rating against the blitz.
Well, an avg QB would have excellent rating against the blitz if he was well protected, which has been the case with PM. He has a very good OL, despite what his apologists claim. What is his rating when he is flushed from the pocket? IT STINKS! He is an excellent QB when protected, and just avg when protection fails.

2. He can win the big one, is his teammates fault.
He has the best supporting cast of any QB in football bar none. TB did not have half the running game or WR that PM had, and what did he accomplish?

3. He has good stats in the post season.

He only has 3 games in the post season in which he had good stats. The Ds for those 3 games?

KC in their 13-3 yr
Denver with a poor DL and without a secondary
Denver with a poor DL and without a secondary

Every other game he has layed an EGG.

4. But last night the protection failed him

Yes, but who is the bonehead making the offensive calls? Who is putting him in a poor position against the blitz? Why did he not continue calling the stretch play (who cares if its low yds, Denver still continues calling the rush and eventually it helps)? Why did he not call more screen passes? Why was he trying to always convert in longer passes instead of taking what was being given to him? So he is responsible for the team's poor performance, and he is the idiot that should have known better.


Conversely,

Payaton was right that you don't punt at that point of the game. You are getting creamed late, it is time to go for it. Conservative HCs can be succesful during the regular season, but I don't think that can succeed in the post season. When was the last time a conservative coach won it all?

[-Slap-]

Lets look at some of these claims.

1. He has a phenomenal rating against the blitz.
Well, an avg QB would have excellent rating against the blitz if he was well protected, which has been the case with PM. He has a very good OL, despite what his apologists claim. What is his rating when he is flushed from the pocket? IT STINKS! He is an excellent QB when protected, and just avg when protection fails.

2. He can win the big one, is his teammates fault.
He has the best supporting cast of any QB in football bar none. TB did not have half the running game or WR that PM had, and what did he accomplish?

3. He has good stats in the post season.

He only has 3 games in the post season in which he had good stats. The Ds for those 3 games?

KC in their 13-3 yr
Denver with a poor DL and without a secondary
Denver with a poor DL and without a secondary

Every other game he has layed an EGG.

4. But last night the protection failed him

Yes, but who is the bonehead making the offensive calls? Who is putting him in a poor position against the blitz? Why did he not continue calling the stretch play (who cares if its low yds, Denver still continues calling the rush and eventually it helps)? Why did he not call more screen passes? Why was he trying to always convert in longer passes instead of taking what was being given to him? So he is responsible for the team's poor performance, and he is the idiot that should have known better.


Conversely,

Payaton was right that you don't punt at that point of the game. You are getting creamed late, it is time to go for it. Conservative HCs can be succesful during the regular season, but I don't think that can succeed in the post season. When was the last time a conservative coach won it all?

Excellent post.

I think its fair to call Gruden a conservative coach.

[Merlin]

Excellent post.

I think its fair to call Gruden a conservative coach.
Why? I have seen him gamble on plays. Remember 4th down he went for the win instead of the tie. His offense with the raiders was quite creative and I would not have thought of it as conservative. He even seem to let Chris take a few shots down the field in some important games.

[anthonypacino]

Lets look at some of these claims.

1. He has a phenomenal rating against the blitz.
Well, an avg QB would have excellent rating against the blitz if he was well protected, which has been the case with PM. He has a very good OL, despite what his apologists claim. What is his rating when he is flushed from the pocket? IT STINKS! He is an excellent QB when protected, and just avg when protection fails.

2. He can win the big one, is his teammates fault.
He has the best supporting cast of any QB in football bar none. TB did not have half the running game or WR that PM had, and what did he accomplish?

3. He has good stats in the post season.

He only has 3 games in the post season in which he had good stats. The Ds for those 3 games?

KC in their 13-3 yr
Denver with a poor DL and without a secondary
Denver with a poor DL and without a secondary

Every other game he has layed an EGG.

4. But last night the protection failed him

Yes, but who is the bonehead making the offensive calls? Who is putting him in a poor position against the blitz? Why did he not continue calling the stretch play (who cares if its low yds, Denver still continues calling the rush and eventually it helps)? Why did he not call more screen passes? Why was he trying to always convert in longer passes instead of taking what was being given to him? So he is responsible for the team's poor performance, and he is the idiot that should have known better.


Conversely,

Payaton was right that you don't punt at that point of the game. You are getting creamed late, it is time to go for it. Conservative HCs can be succesful during the regular season, but I don't think that can succeed in the post season. When was the last time a conservative coach won it all?
Good post, but here is the answer to your question, Peyton makes the calls he tried to put the game on his shoulders and couldn't get it done. I don't think Dungy punted would have been a bad idea, they brought Dungy into bolster the D, he did, they depended on the D all year, all of Manrino's numbers were down this year, the Defense really carried them in alot of their games this year. Manrino not only punked his coach, O-line he punked his defense that really helped him when the offense struggled at times this year by not putting any faith in them when it really counted.

[yavoon]

It's not manning's place to make that call. Why is dungy the coach then? There has to be something there or he wouldnt be were he is. I'm not buying that you should undermine the authority of the coach. Never ever. It sends a horrible message to the rest of the team.

like i said, manning has waved off the punt unit before. u can make it out to be this horrible thing but maybe if dungy was more intelligent he would realize that u can't just punt everytime the down indicator reads a number larger than 3.

[yavoon]

Lets look at some of these claims.

1. He has a phenomenal rating against the blitz.
Well, an avg QB would have excellent rating against the blitz if he was well protected, which has been the case with PM. He has a very good OL, despite what his apologists claim. What is his rating when he is flushed from the pocket? IT STINKS! He is an excellent QB when protected, and just avg when protection fails.

2. He can win the big one, is his teammates fault.
He has the best supporting cast of any QB in football bar none. TB did not have half the running game or WR that PM had, and what did he accomplish?

3. He has good stats in the post season.

He only has 3 games in the post season in which he had good stats. The Ds for those 3 games?

KC in their 13-3 yr
Denver with a poor DL and without a secondary
Denver with a poor DL and without a secondary

Every other game he has layed an EGG.

4. But last night the protection failed him

Yes, but who is the bonehead making the offensive calls? Who is putting him in a poor position against the blitz? Why did he not continue calling the stretch play (who cares if its low yds, Denver still continues calling the rush and eventually it helps)? Why did he not call more screen passes? Why was he trying to always convert in longer passes instead of taking what was being given to him? So he is responsible for the team's poor performance, and he is the idiot that should have known better.


Conversely,

Payaton was right that you don't punt at that point of the game. You are getting creamed late, it is time to go for it. Conservative HCs can be succesful during the regular season, but I don't think that can succeed in the post season. When was the last time a conservative coach won it all?

peytons OL is massively overrated, the year before peyton came the colts were 28th in sacks, peyton shows up and they're in the top 3. none of his olineman besides glenn are high draft picks, even before his guards left they were still a very bad run blocking oline, especially bad at the goalline.

they are a cheap oline that is only paid to pass block, and sunday they really didnt do that well. if u otherwise dont believe peyton is one of the most dangerous ppl in the league to blitz w/ WHOEVER else on his offense then thats silly.

and yah like i said, unless peyton's qb rating can go over 150 his team can't win. does that say more about peyton or his team? how would u feel if the broncos couldn't win unless jake was near perfect?

[-Slap-]

Why? I have seen him gamble on plays. Remember 4th down he went for the win instead of the tie. His offense with the raiders was quite creative and I would not have thought of it as conservative. He even seem to let Chris take a few shots down the field in some important games.
Going for the win (and getting bailed out by the refs) was definitely not conservative. I would say that his offense with the Raiders was pretty conservative. Its true they threw more than any other Super Bowl team in history, but they rarely threw the ball downfield.

[yavoon]

He sure can miss alot of wide open receivers. When he did have time he missed some passes. I am really trying to understand why you would stand up for an obvious jerkoff like him especially being a bronco fan. I hate manning but I do recognize that he is a very talented QB. I also recognize that he is the worst loser in the NFL that will not take any responsibility for a loss. He is a POS leader.

cuz this board sez wholly unreasonable things against him. I just think a more realistic view is nice. at the beginning of his career he had troubles inthe playoffs but really he did pretty good against pitt sunday, I would be interested to know who's fault those 4 or 5 complete route misses were on sunday.

[yavoon]

Good post, but here is the answer to your question, Peyton makes the calls he tried to put the game on his shoulders and couldn't get it done. I don't think Dungy punted would have been a bad idea, they brought Dungy into bolster the D, he did, they depended on the D all year, all of Manrino's numbers were down this year, the Defense really carried them in alot of their games this year. Manrino not only punked his coach, O-line he punked his defense that really helped him when the offense struggled at times this year by not putting any faith in them when it really counted.

oh man I nearly wet my pants w/ glee when dungy was gna punt. the colts didnt punt again that entire game and still were choked for time and w/o that drive they have zero tds. I was WAITING for the steelers bigger uglier meaner offensive line to just shove the colts back and gain 4 yards time after time. and while that didn't quite happen i gotta suspect it was close to happening, the colts front 7 can't stand against a pounding forever.

[Octavias]

I Don't Mean to interject, but here is my opinion of the Manning Playoff Phenomina;
Peyton Manning is a Great Passer, probably the best in the game, but he has some significant flaws. Most often, His colts face generally Vanilla Defenses, or at least repetitive ones, because he runs a No Huddle O.

Most Teams run a 4-3 against him, therefore Four of the rushers are automaticly accounted for. He gets to the line and checks the Defense's Lineup, then Famously audibles protections and/or formation changes. He then uses a few "Dummy calls" to try to get the D to show it's hand on blitzes. Usually this works and he knows where the pressure is comming from and where to hot read the ball to. With the 3/4 zone blitzing teams (Pats, Chargers, Steelers) Three Linemen who typically are rushing are accounted for, and Peyton must account for two or more rushers from anywhere. the extra Linebacker can cover or rush, so the Hot read is harder to ascertain. Moreover, teams like the Steelers show false coverage and blitzes constantly.

Peyton is a QB who HATES being hit. Watch how he Scrunches up his body after a throw when he anticipates a hit. Every QB who does this loses some accuracy because of it. On Sunday, unsure of whom was coming where, he did this Often. Moreover, he worries about throwing picks, which is why, when pressured, he begins overthrowing balls.

Audibling out of plays against these kinds of d's is often a mistake, since what they are showing you is meant to get you to call a play that would work against it, but manning refuses to run plays called. He does what he feels best.

The colts went 13-0 mostly behind the Run game this year, check out the drive charts for their games. Like every team, the colts MUST rush well to win. Peyton audibles into pass plays to take his shots downfield too often. Yes, he had man coverage on Reggie wayne on Second and 2 after the fumble return, but two yards gets you a first down, and closer to the kick to tie. He must need to be THE MAN, because there was no excuse for that, and certainly not him passing the next down either.
Ultimatly, Manning knows how to pass, not how to win, and he will not win until he understands you win as a team, not as a name.

[Rausch]

Manning is a pu$$y.

He can't take a hit and he hates pressure. You blitz him he crumbles like thanksgiving pie.

Dude has no toughness at all...

[PatsWin2002]

Best line over at Indy Star forum:

"Manning is like a stripper, fun to watch, but you know you're not going all the way with 'em."

[Macnut]

Anyone watch ESPN with M. Irvin and Ditka? Irvin said that he didn't think Manning was pointing out his OL but instead was saying that there was just a breakdown in pass blocking schemes. Kinda makes sense.

[-Slap-]

Best line over at Indy Star forum:

"Manning is like a stripper, fun to watch, but you know you're not going all the way with 'em."
Most strippers have daddy issues, too.

[Rascal]

BTW...for those wanting the quote on Manning here it is:

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060116/SPORTS0302/601160397/1060

Blitzes keep Manning off his game
By Mike Chappell

Perspiration beaded up on Peyton Manning's brow, which he occasionally wiped away with his left hand.

The disappointment also was evident, but it remained. And will for some time.
The face of the Indianapolis Colts stood in front of a room of reporters Sunday afternoon, facing the music after a 21-18 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers in an AFC divisional playoff game that ended the Colts' season and extended Manning's personal travails.
He's 3-6 in postseason starts, a two-time NFL Most Valuable Player who has been unable to lead his franchise to the Super Bowl.
"I'm disappointed. I can't give you any more of an explanation than that," Manning said. "It's disappointing and it will be more disappointing (Sunday night) and (today).
"It certainly takes time to move on from a game like this and try to make peace with the football gods and . . . get ready for next season."
That the Colts are pondering the offseason and not preparing for Sunday's AFC Championship Game is in large part a result of their inability to handle Pittsburgh's array of blitzes. They came early, often and from virtually every angle, with safety Troy Polamalu and linebackers James Farrior and Joey Porter usually leading the surge.
Manning was sacked five times, matching a career high, after the Colts had yielded a league-low 20 during the regular season. When the Steelers didn't drag him down, they chased him, harried him, hit him.
Contributing to the Colts' 26-7 regular-season win over Pittsburgh was protection that allowed just two sacks. Whatever adjustments Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau made, they worked.
"I was told as a young'un playing football, when you hit people, it equalizes talent, equalizes speed, equalizes everything," Pittsburgh free safety Chris Hope said. "The first game, we didn't get the opportunity to hit Peyton. This game, we focused on hitting Peyton."
Manning completed 22-of-38 passes for 290 yards, including a 50-yard touchdown to tight end Dallas Clark. In a frenetic fourth quarter, he was 9-of-13 for 160 yards and the long TD to Clark.
But on the Colts' first four possessions, Manning was 2-for-9 for 37 yards. Too often his passes were forced, well off target. Credit the pressure? Or blame the protection?
Manning was asked repeatedly about Pittsburgh's blitzing tactics. Were they exotic? Unexpected?
Each time, he paused before answering, choosing his words carefully.
"We had some, uh . . . I know in playoff games y'all are going to ask me questions about other areas and other positions," Manning said. "I'm trying to be a good teammate here. Let's just say we had some protection problems.
"I'll give Pittsburgh credit for their blitzes and their rush, but we did have some protection problems."
Pressed further, Manning again took a long breath.
"We just had some, just some . . . looking for a safe word here, guys," he said. "Pittsburgh did some things that just gave us some trouble. They had some good looks. They've got good players."
The ultimate blame likely will fall on Manning's shoulders. He's the franchise cornerstone, the player expected to take it to the Super Bowl.
Offensive tackle Tarik Glenn came to the defense of his quarterback.
"Football's a game of a 53-man roster," he said. "You just can't put the blame on one man. This game we definitely didn't lose it because of him."
Yet there Manning was, once again trying to explain how he and his teammates had come up short again despite having every conceivable advantage.
"It's certainly not from a lack of effort on my part," he said. "I can honestly say that. I never walked off the field saying I could have done more to prepare for this game.
"I can't tell you how much I studied these guys the last two weeks. I really expected to play Pittsburgh and really studied them hard.
"I'm going to keep trying. That's all I can do."

That last part is freaking hillarious.

[fontaine]

"I'm going to keep tryin' y'all ya hear now? My line may have some protection problems, y'all can see that. But it certainly ain't cause of lack of effort on my part ya'll. I gave it all y'all. And, uh, I'm a good team mate ya hear?"

mutters under his breath:
"That idiot kicker, shoot it's all his fault, ya'll."

[terry251973]

How about peyton blaming the defense instead of his ol.The offensive line did play horrible but there defense didnt exactly stop pittsburgh either and they were supposedly one of the best in the league this year.Our offense wasnt exactly marching down the field on the pats but our defense saved our asses.That blame hes giving the offensive line needs to be directed toward his defense as well which equals a team loss not a offensive line loss.

[Rascal]

He needs to blame his feet...talk about happy feet.

Payaton is Mr. Choke who lost to a coach also known as Mr. Choke. So how big of a choke artist are you to lose to the biggest choke coach?

I'm sure there is a rhyme in their somewhere but I'm barely able to form a coherent thought this morning.

[fontaine]

How about peyton blaming the defense instead of his ol.The offensive line did play horrible but there defense didnt exactly stop pittsburgh either and they were supposedly one of the best in the league this year.Our offense wasnt exactly marching down the field on the pats but our defense saved our asses.That blame hes giving the offensive line needs to be directed toward his defense as well which equals a team loss not a offensive line loss.


Let me ask you something. If the Colts had 16-0 and then gone on to destroy the opposition and win the SuperBowl do you think they would have done it with great defense? How would that team have been remembered in history? As Mike Doss' team? As Corey Simon's or Cato June's?

No. Everyone would have been calling it Peyton Manning's led Colts go perfect and win the SuperBowl with an offense for the ages led by Manning AND it would have cemented his place in the Hall of Fame regardless of what he did next.

The point is, the entire team has been structured around Manning for years. When he had the WR/RB combo it was get him a better OL. When that happened, then get him a better defense. When that happened it's right back to the OL. There wasn't a mention of the OL issues all season long until they lose bigtime.

Well here's a news flash. In the modern game it's next to impossible to have a completely stacked team in all phases of the game. THAT'S WHY you're supposed to have a franchise QB or RB or WR etc to compensate for weak links. Winners like Brady can do this, chokers like Manning just deflect.

Can you IMAGINE the whining Manning would do if he was in Brady's shoes? Brady got absolutely clobbered in Mile High, he's been playing without a running game for years, and OL that keep getting injured, yet he never complains, and rarely loses. Manning, in that situation, would have called out his entire offense, failed to pad his stats, and definitely gotten the sh*t kicked out of him behind Brady's OL.

[BBB1980]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/060116

This is some good reading on ESPN today. HEY PEYTON, NEED SOME HELP.

[Rascal]

People are always complaining about large corporations. But when they do something positive they should be commended. Take MasterCard, for example. Sunday night, after the Colts' loss, it started running a new Peyton Manning "D-CAF" spot showing various bloopers he made during filming. And then the ad closes with the line: "Not being perfect … priceless." Absolutely. Awesome. The fact that they had that cued up waiting for the Colts to lose, well … feel free to raise my interest rate to 29.99 percent, MasterCard. I'll pay anything you ask.


LOL!!!!

That's going in my sig, but I'll have to alter it a bit to get it to fit (500 character limit).

[Bronco_Beerslug]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/060116

This is some good reading on ESPN today. HEY PEYTON, NEED SOME HELP.

ROFL!

"I'm trying to be a good teammate here … so I'll try to imagine what it's like to be imperfect."

"I'm trying to be a good teammate here … so I'm going to buy my liquored-up, idiot kicker an entire case of vodka."

"I'm trying to be a good teammate here … so I'll consider retaining Tony Dungy as my associate head coach next season."

"I'm trying to be a good teammate here … so I'm taking the whole team on tour with Kenny Chesney."

"I'm trying to be a good teammate here … so I won't ask my daddy to get my offensive line traded."

"I'm trying to be a good teammate here … so next year I might even run a play or two that my offensive coordinator calls."

"I'm trying to be a good teammate here … so I'm going to let Tee Martin start for me in the playoffs from now on."

"I'm trying to be a good teammate here … but instead I'll just be myself."

[Pendejo]

Most strippers have daddy issues, too.

I can vouch for this...it's why I started dancing.

[Merlin]

peytons OL is massively overrated, the year before peyton came the colts were 28th in sacks, peyton shows up and they're in the top 3. none of his olineman besides glenn are high draft picks, even before his guards left they were still a very bad run blocking oline, especially bad at the goalline.

they are a cheap oline that is only paid to pass block, and sunday they really didnt do that well. if u otherwise dont believe peyton is one of the most dangerous ppl in the league to blitz w/ WHOEVER else on his offense then thats silly.

and yah like i said, unless peyton's qb rating can go over 150 his team can't win. does that say more about peyton or his team? how would u feel if the broncos couldn't win unless jake was near perfect?
In simple terms Yvoon, BULL. His OL is VERY good, I have no idea what it was like 5 years ago, but it is very good today. It is able to protect him very well against a 4 man rush. To even suggest that he somehow is able to improve an OL is a joke. The man is immobile and is pathetic when force out of the pocket. He NEEDS protection to perform, and that is all right, just don't try to claim otherwise.

Again, Payaton's numbers against the blitz are only good when his pocket is protected. That is not a reflection on his greatness. You want to see great QBs against the blitz, then don't look at simple blitz numbers, look at QBs when their pocket colapses. Simply put PM stinks when that happens. Conversely look a TB, McNaab, even BR (now), they are all able to still make plays when the pocket collapses, because they are not trees needing walls to protect them.

As to his stats when winning. He has only won THREE games in postseason, and I already pointed out to you the problems with each team. In each case Bledsoe would have achieved 140 QB rating. Those Defenses stunk in the DL and the CBs.

However, Manning has stunk up the place against the other 6 teams, SIX TEAMS.

Now for coup de grâce, FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS RATES INDY OL AS BEST IN THE LEAGUE FOR BOTH RUSHING AND PASS PROTECTION. I guess stats only matter to you when they support your vision. So much for objectivity.

On top of that he has some of the best tools to help him in the league, plus he makes the calls at the line. But no, it is everyone's fault but his own because "It's certainly not from a lack of effort on my part"

If you are going to discuss these matters, at least bring data that is at least half credible.

[yavoon]

In simple terms Yvoon, BULL. His OL is VERY good, I have no idea what it was like 5 years ago, but it is very good today. It is able to protect him very well against a 4 man rush. To even suggest that he somehow is able to improve an OL is a joke. The man is immobile and is pathetic when force out of the pocket. He NEEDS protection to perform, and that is all right, just don't try to claim otherwise.

Again, Payaton's numbers against the blitz are only good when his pocket is protected. That is not a reflection on his greatness. You want to see great QBs against the blitz, then don't look at simple blitz numbers, look at QBs when their pocket colapses. Simply put PM stinks when that happens. Conversely look a TB, McNaab, even BR (now), they are all able to still make plays when the pocket collapses, because they are not trees needing walls to protect them.

As to his stats when winning. He has only won THREE games in postseason, and I already pointed out to you the problems with each team. In each case Bledsoe would have achieved 140 QB rating. Those Defenses stunk in the DL and the CBs.

However, Manning has stunk up the place against the other 6 teams, SIX TEAMS.

Now for coup de grâce, FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS RATES INDY OL AS BEST IN THE LEAGUE FOR BOTH RUSHING AND PASS PROTECTION. I guess stats only matter to you when they support your vision. So much for objectivity.

On top of that he has some of the best tools to help him in the league, plus he makes the calls at the line. But no, it is everyone's fault but his own because "It's certainly not from a lack of effort on my part"

If you are going to discuss these matters, at least bring data that is at least half credible.

I think ur main misconception is the fact that manning's lack of sprinters speed means taht he needs a great oline or he will get wasted. like was pointed out manning took a line rated 28th in sacks and made them one of the best in the league. Manning is very hard to sack regardless of who is protecting him.

its irrelevant what u think the weaknesses of the other teams are the fact remains unless PEYTON MANNING can have an unbelievably good day they can't win. peyton can't have an avg day and the colts win a playoff game as one would expect out of a truly good team and is what ppl THOUGHT the colts had achieved this year.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I don't hate Peyton Manning. I hate the fuss people make over his artificailly inflated stats. I hate his stupid animated herky-jerky motions calling audibles. I hate his idiotic commercials where he asks some grocery clerk to sign the bread...

OK....maybe I hate him a little.Ha!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I think ur main misconception is the fact that manning's lack of sprinters speed means taht he needs a great oline or he will get wasted. like was pointed out manning took a line rated 28th in sacks and made them one of the best in the league. Manning is very hard to sack regardless of who is protecting him.

BS! Only Glenn and Saturday have been there longer than 4 years out of all their O-linemen on their roster.

its irrelevant what u think the weaknesses of the other teams are the fact remains unless PEYTON MANNING can have an unbelievably good day they can't win. peyton can't have an avg day and the colts win a playoff game as one would expect out of a truly good team and is what ppl THOUGHT the colts had achieved this year.
If that tripe were true how did they win these games this year where Manning had average or less than average games?

Week 2... 122 yds passing, no TDs
Week 3... 228 yds passing, no TDs
Week 5... 245 yds passing, 1 TD
Week 6... 187 yds passing, 2 TDs

[yavoon]

If that tripe were true how did they win these games this year where Manning had average or less than average games?

Week 2... 122 yds passing, no TDs
Week 3... 228 yds passing, no TDs
Week 5... 245 yds passing, 1 TD
Week 6... 187 yds passing, 2 TDs

actually if u had read all my posts u would realize this is exactly addressed. I said that people thought(judging by regular season) that THIS was the year the colts could win w/ manning not doing everything. come playoff time though, well, we saw what happened. 14-0 in about 8 seconds.

[Merlin]

I think ur main misconception is the fact that manning's lack of sprinters speed means taht he needs a great oline or he will get wasted. like was pointed out manning took a line rated 28th in sacks and made them one of the best in the league. Manning is very hard to sack regardless of who is protecting him.

its irrelevant what u think the weaknesses of the other teams are the fact remains unless PEYTON MANNING can have an unbelievably good day they can't win. peyton can't have an avg day and the colts win a playoff game as one would expect out of a truly good team and is what ppl THOUGHT the colts had achieved this year.
That really takes the cake. The reason his line is the best in the league for rushing and pass protection is because of him. One of the most immobile, incompetent out of the pocket passers in the league; give me a break. He is an excellent QB, but he needs protection and he does not transform a line, since he lacks the physical skill to transform a line. The running game and his skill players help protect the line, but the line is excellent, otherwise he would be easy pickings by any half decent DL. As to needing an excellent performance to win or nothing, HOGWASH.

The only times he has EVER had a good or great game in the playoffs is when he played very poor Ds. The other 6 playoff games HE STUNK. The Jets blanked him. Pitt ate him up. His stats did not improve in this yrs game until the D backed off because of the lead. His play has been extremely poor when they needed it against good Ds in the playoffs, and he has not been able to reach the threshold of good, forget great, under such circumstances. The minute they got close, the D came back and STUFFED HIM ON THE 2 YRD LINE. Come on Yavoon, enough of your FACTS BECAUSE I SAY THEY ARE, and provide actual factual evidence based on broken down data to support your claim. Otherwise, you are worse than the people you are critical of, since at least their logic is consistent.

[yavoon]

That really takes the cake. The reason his line is the best in the league for rushing and pass protection is because of him. One of the most immobile, incompetent out of the pocket passers in the league; give me a break. He is an excellent QB, but he needs protection and he does not transform a line, since he lacks the physical skill to transform a line. The running game and his skill players help protect the line, but the line is excellent, otherwise he would be easy pickings by any half decent DL. As to needing an excellent performance to win or nothing, HOGWASH.

The only times he has EVER had a good or great game in the playoffs is when he played very poor Ds. The other 6 playoff games HE STUNK. The Jets blanked him. Pitt ate him up. His stats did not improve in this yrs game until the D backed off because of the lead. His play has been extremely poor when they needed it against good Ds in the playoffs, and he has not been able to reach the threshold of good, forget great, under such circumstances. The minute they got close, the D came back and STUFFED HIM ON THE 2 YRD LINE. Come on Yavoon, enough of your FACTS BECAUSE I SAY THEY ARE, and provide actual factual evidence based on broken down data to support your claim. Otherwise, you are worse than the people you are critical of, since at least their logic is consistent.

then u simply need more knowledge of football. intelligence, decision making and reading the defense are far more important in not being sacked/beating the blitz then athleticism. thats what peyton brought to the colts and its what made them as a team so hard to sack.

sorry=[

[Merlin]

then u simply need more knowledge of football. intelligence, decision making and reading the defense are far more important in not being sacked/beating the blitz then athleticism. thats what peyton brought to the colts and its what made them as a team so hard to sack.
Well, something you have repeatedly shown you lack, but lets help you out. Yes he is very intelligent, but it is meaningless if you are lying on your butt. His reading D's can only help if he has the time to make the pass to address the rush. He has the skills, he still needs a certain level of protection (higher than QBs with better pocket presence [i.e. TB] or with better athletic ability) to help with the blitz. Did you not watch any of the SD games? Did you not watch the NE games? Did you not watch the Denver regular season game a couple of yrs ago? Did you not watch the Pitt game? Did you not watch the other playoff games?

His OL was RATED BY THE FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS as the BEST. Not based on some stupid thing like was he sacked, but on the level of protection it provided (which was based on actual play). I am sure you bothered to look at the site, but you have yet to comment. Are you now suggesting that the DATA THAT IS USED TO ANALYZE PLAYER PERFORMANCE is MEANINGLESS because it is INTANGIBLES that really matter? Talk about changing your tune.

Not only are you one of the most condescending (and more ignorant than you realize) people around, but you are also one of the most hypocritical. It is amazing that you can sit there and be critical of some of the Denver homers, yet you are far more hypocritical than them. Good luck with getting a clue, you definitely need it.

[yavoon]

Well, something you have repeatedly shown you lack, but lets help you out. Yes he is very intelligent, but it is meaningless if you are lying on your butt. His reading D's can only help if he has the time to make the pass to address the rush. He has the skills, he still needs a certain level of protection (higher than QBs with better pocket presence [i.e. TB] or with better athletic ability) to help with the blitz. Did you not watch any of the SD games? Did you not watch the NE games? Did you not watch the Denver regular season game a couple of yrs ago? Did you not watch the Pitt game? Did you not watch the other playoff games?

His OL was RATED BY THE FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS as the BEST. Not based on some stupid thing like was he sacked, but on the level of protection it provided (which was based on actual play). I am sure you bothered to look at the site, but you have yet to comment. Are you now suggesting that the DATA THAT IS USED TO ANALYZE PLAYER PERFORMANCE is MEANINGLESS because it is INTANGIBLES that really matter? Talk about changing your tune.

Not only are you one of the most condescending (and more ignorant than you realize) people around, but you are also one of the most hypocritical. It is amazing that you can sit there and be critical of some of the Denver homers, yet you are far more hypocritical than them. Good luck with getting a clue, you definitely need it.

all stats require interpretation. indy's line is #1 in adjusted sack rate, but they are high in that BECAUSE OF PEYTON, I really have explained this several times, peyton is hard to sack period, if u measure a stat like adjusted sack rate u simply have to account(and FO doesn't do this explicitly) for how good a qb is.

look at their power effectiveness, 29th. when run becomes highly probable they are all of a sudden almost the worst in the league.

and like I said in the prior post I'm not sure how much I want to respond to someone who doesn't know enough about football to realize that decision making intelligence and MANY OTHER THINGS are more important in handling pressure/blitz then athleticism.

[Merlin]

and like I said in the prior post I'm not sure how much I want to respond to someone who doesn't know enough about football...LOL LOL We have all read your posts with their incredible insights. Although sometimes you have something to say, being very knowledgeable about football is not a description you will find about yourself very often, if ever. I'll try and make it simple for you, since your homer instincts seem to get in the way of your ability to interpret. PM performs well when he is protected. As I said many times. Provide ONE single fact to support your argument that it is him that makes his line strong against the blitz, and that the OL stinks. Other than your claims you have not provided one iota of evidence because there is not a stat ANYWHERE that you can use. Every analysis (statistical or otherwise) has always concluded that his OL is excellent (not vg, excellent!) at protect him under normal conditions. If you look at the games I referenced, he did very poorly. Now what did they have in common? He could not read the blitz because they were designed to be better disguised (either because they were in 3-4 formation, or because, as in Denver's case, they kept on changing them on him).

In those cases, keeping only 4-5 for protection is boneheaded because you don't know where the blitz is coming from (thus my comment about him being an idiot, because he could have addressed that). He could have called a number of plays to slow down the blitz, but that kind of blitz also requires a little athleticism to handle, WHICH HE HAS NONE OF, thus his need for greater protection. You obviously ignore those games because you either don't understand the points, or as always you ignore all evidence that contradicts your claims. Now as to interpreting stats, well, you have shown some understanding, but I have corrected you and your assumptions many times. It has been nice playing with you and your straw man, next time bring a little substance to the discussion.

PS, here is something for your adolescent mind to ponder. If all evidence is contrary to your conclusion, and analysts and most other knowledgeable people are in total disagreement with your thoughts, then it is a worthwhile endeavor to devote some of your energy to actually question your assumptions. But then, you could just continue to be an a$$ and behave like a troll, which seems to provide great pleasure to you.

[bendog]

I heard the press conference, and Payaton wasn't calling out his oline. He got sacked 5 times and had to throw early all day. duh, they had pass protection problems. fact. What's he supposed to say? They asked him how the pass protection was. I guess he could have done a Herm or Pennington and said, "did you watch the effing game?"

I heard somebody say Payaton goes down in the playoffs cause his game is less suited for post-season that regular season. He is not mobile. He's actually pretty statuesque back there. He doesn't have the greatest arm. His game is being prepared to audible. But in the playoffs, defenses are giving more complex looks, and teams are facing the best defenses, e.g. the chorfs have no playoff chances. Payaton physically isn't a guy to make plays on his own. Big Ben and Jake are. So are Delhomme and even the guy in Seattle, whatever his name is. Harrington or something I think (-:

Indy kept sending their TE deep rather than keeping him in for protection. Edge had less than 15 carries. I thought payaton was pretty classy in not questioning the offensive scheme.

[baja]

I heard the press conference, and Payaton wasn't calling out his oline. He got sacked 5 times and had to throw early all day. duh, they had pass protection problems. fact. What's he supposed to say? They asked him how the pass protection was. I guess he could have done a Herm or Pennington and said, "did you watch the effing game?"

I heard somebody say Payaton goes down in the playoffs cause his game is less suited for post-season that regular season. He is not mobile. He's actually pretty statuesque back there. He doesn't have the greatest arm. His game is being prepared to audible. But in the playoffs, defenses are giving more complex looks, and teams are facing the best defenses, e.g. the chorfs have no playoff chances. Payaton physically isn't a guy to make plays on his own. Big Ben and Jake are. So are Delhomme and even the guy in Seattle, whatever his name is. Harrington or something I think (-:

Indy kept sending their TE deep rather than keeping him in for protection. Edge had less than 15 carries. <b> I thought payaton was pretty classy in not questioning the offensive scheme.</b>

What would he question, he is the offensive scheme

[bendog]

ummm, I dunno. An offense has prolly 20-25 plays culled out for a specific opponent. I don't know how much Payaton does on that culling. Elway did none of it till Shanahan became the OC.

Whoever did the gameplan simply had no idea that Pitts would bring that pressure and Payaton wouldn't find his "hot" receiver. Deja vu all over again. Seems to happen to the guy every year.

[baja]

ummm, I dunno. An offense has prolly 20-25 plays culled out for a specific opponent. I don't know how much Payaton does on that culling. Elway did none of it till Shanahan became the OC.

Whoever did the gameplan simply had no idea that Pitts would bring that pressure and Payaton wouldn't find his "hot" receiver. Deja vu all over again. Seems to happen to the guy every year.

He seemed to change the play at the line LOS about 60% of the time.

And what's with the cheering on the "Little man" commercial, that has to be the most insulting ad to the largest group of people since the pinal erectile dysfunction ads

[bendog]

He seemed to change the play at the line LOS about 60% of the time.

And what's with the cheering on the "Little man" commercial, that has to be the most insulting ad to the largest group of people since the pinal erectile dysfunction ads
yeah, that commercial is offensive. Maybe the folks who have to work in fast food don't see it that way. I don't know.

As for the scheme, yeah. Indy has trotted out the same offensive scheme v. the blitzing of NE back when they had a defensive secondary (they're really a shell of their former self) and now Pitts with Palamino. It's not working. The Rams have gotten to the superbowl with immobile qbs. Whoever's in charge needs to reconsider how they account for the blitz.

[RunByDesign]

Hey Peyton, will you sign my melon?

[-Slap-]

I have the game on Tivo and its simply an intense propaganda scheme to suggest Paidaton was pressured on every pass attempt. He was wild high on several passes Sunday when he had plenty of time to throw. The happy feet started on the Colts second offensive series.

Blame the defense, the offensive line, the OC, the head coach and God himself, Peyton. You've been in the NFL for eight years and you still get rattled when people hit you. That's the bottom line, no matter how badly your fans wish it wasn't.

[watermock]

Watching chicken little posture at the line again and again has to be one of the most irritating things in sports behind the Kobe vs. Shaq feud. Two multimillionaires acting like hookers fighting for their side of the street!

80 percent of the time all Payaton is doing is trying to get the defense to change, he's just chicken shiat flapping wings. I agree the right move was to go for it on 4th down, I don't know what Dungy was thinking...time was running out. But how embarrasing for Dungy! He was delegated to assistant coach! I bet he wanted to climb under the bench when they converted!

Wasn't that the Tripplet crew Sunday?

[watermock]

Can you imagine the shiat that Jake would take for an display of happy feet like that? I think it was on first and 10 that woody said he had feet that would make Fred Astaire blush, or something to that effect.

[WolfpackGuy]

Triplette had our game Saturday. I cringed at the coin toss. Hope he doesn't get our game Sunday. :( They should announce a referee report.

[fontaine]

Yes Peyton is a very intelligent QB.
Yes Peyton has a very quick release.
Yes Peyton can read defenses, call an audible to take advantage mostly.
Yes, all these things make Peyton very difficult to sack.

Yes, Peyton audibled to passing plays where Pitt was going to blitz, just like he does usually.

But, those audibles, more often than not, resulted in Manning being pressured by the excellent Pitt LBs. He bit off more than he could chew when he thought he could beat the pressure.

Yes, because of Manning's audibles, Edge had a season low 13 carries.
Yes, Manning adjusted late in the game but it was too late.

Basically, Manning put the game on his shoulders and arm vs. the Pitt LBs and Blitzers. I can understand this. Great players want the ball in big time situations, they have egos and back themselves up. If you have any doubts as to who was calling the shots then just look at the game and you'll see Manning waiving off the punting unit Dungy sent in. Manning backed himself on that play instead of playing the percentages.

Well guess what? The Colts had numerous drives that went nowhere in the first three quarters. The first time the Colts mounted any sort of drive and came away with points: Late in the third. 8 rushing plays, 6 passing plays and they marched 96 yards.

When it pays off audibling to pass plays on weak defense and Manning breaks records, goes to the pro-bowl, is up for league MVP, deservedly gets credit.

However, the problem is when those audibles don't work that result in him getting sacked and hurried because he's up against a tough defense and is rusty after a 5 week rest, he becomes a p*ssy and blames his OL.

I mean seriously. Pittsburgh is the best blitzing 3-4 team in the league that perennially finish among the best in QB sacks/pressures. Any knucklehead will tell you that running the ball equally if not more so is prudent in those circumstances, especially after weeks of being off, but like I said Peyton backed himself and bet on his arm, not Edge. And we know how that turned out for him.

So for him to try and deflect that blame to his OL when he was audibling to pass instead of running Edge more, is more than cowardly. It's a chickensh*t classless move. Call it like it is.

[broncosteven]

I have the game on Tivo and its simply an intense propaganda scheme to suggest Paidaton was pressured on every pass attempt. He was wild high on several passes Sunday when he had plenty of time to throw. The happy feet started on the Colts second offensive series.

Blame the defense, the offensive line, the OC, the head coach and God himself, Peyton. You've been in the NFL for eight years and you still get rattled when people hit you. That's the bottom line, no matter how badly your fans wish it wasn't.


They got behind 7 - 0 then 14-0 in their own house. Pitt dictated the 1st 3 quarters. They almost pulled it out too. If Manrino throws it to Dallas Clark instead of Wayne in the end zone they are at the 20 & have a much easier kick. He wanted the win, not the tie.

[NaptownChief]

Anyone will tell you that running the ball equally if not more so is prudent in those circumstances, but like I said Peyton backed himself and bet on his arm, not Edge. And we know how that turned out for him.



To be fair the Squealers marched right down the field and went up 14-0....That puts any team in a hole and has to throw more even if they didn't want to...Edge still carried it 10 times in the first half...


Second point that I haven't seen anybody make is that the Colts offensive scheme has struggled for a few years against good 3-4 defenses. Most of their losses have come at the hands of 3-4 schemes. Clearly the Colts offensive scheme is designed to handle good 3-4 fronts very well and yet the coaching staff clearly has done nothing to adjust.

Anyone who thinks completing about 60% of your passes for nearly 300 yards, a TD, zero INT's and zero fumbles while having your OLine getting slaughtered on 3 out of 4 plays is choking or poor performance out of the QB either knows very little about football or your hate of Manning has your judgment so distorted that you can't see or think straight. Brady is probably the only other QB in the league that wouldn't have fumbled 4 times, taken 10 sacks and thrown 3 or 4 INT's under that pressure.

If by chance Plummer were to see that type of pressure on Sunday, I guarantee 98% of this board will be on here defending what will be pitiful numbers and blaming the coaching staff and OLine...

I will now take my voice of reason and step back out of here so you guys can continue on with your illogical hate rants.

[baja]

To be fair the Squealers marched right down the field and went up 14-0....That puts any team in a hole and has to throw more even if they didn't want to...Edge still carried it 10 times in the first half...


Second point that I haven't seen anybody make is that the Colts offensive scheme has struggled for a few years against good 3-4 defenses. Most of their losses have come at the hands of 3-4 schemes. Clearly the Colts offensive scheme is designed to handle good 3-4 fronts very well and yet the coaching staff clearly has done nothing to adjust.

Anyone who thinks completing about 60% of your passes for nearly 300 yards, a TD, zero INT's and zero fumbles while having your OLine getting slaughtered on 3 out of 4 plays is choking or poor performance out of the QB either knows very little about football or your hate of Manning has your judgment so distorted that you can't see or think straight. Brady is probably the only other QB in the league that wouldn't have fumbled 4 times, taken 10 sacks and thrown 3 or 4 INT's under that pressure.

If by chance Plummer were to see that type of pressure on Sunday, I guarantee 98% of this board will be on here defending what will be pitiful numbers and blaming the coaching staff and OLine...

I will now take my voice of reason and step back out of here so you guys can continue on with your illogical hate rants.

Don't you have a draft to plan for?

[Mile High Shack]

Don't you have a draft to plan for?

for both of his teams

[fontaine]

To be fair the Squealers marched right down the field and went up 14-0....That puts any team in a hole and has to throw more even if they didn't want to...Edge still carried it 10 times in the first half...


To be even fairer the Steelers don't rack up the points and after that initial 14 points their offense stalled. There was plenty of time to mix up the run and pass but Manning thought otherwise. Anyways, if your logic held true then why did they run 8 times and pass 6 times on that late drive in the third when they put up their first points when Pitt was up 14-0?

Second point that I haven't seen anybody make is that the Colts offensive scheme has struggled for a few years against good 3-4 defenses. Most of their losses have come at the hands of 3-4 schemes. Clearly the Colts offensive scheme is designed to handle good 3-4 fronts very well and yet the coaching staff clearly has done nothing to adjust.

Hmmm. . I wonder if running the ball would help here? If you struggle in pass protection against Pitt 3-4 defense (like EVERY team does) then wouldn't it make sense for Manning to call more running plays instead of stupidly playing into the D's hands and calling for more pass plays?

Anyone who thinks completing about 60% of your passes for nearly 300 yards, a TD, zero INT's and zero fumbles while having your OLine getting slaughtered on 3 out of 4 plays is choking or poor performance out of the QB either knows very little about football or your hate of Manning has your judgment so distorted that you can't see or think straight. Brady is probably the only other QB in the league that wouldn't have fumbled 4 times, taken 10 sacks and thrown 3 or 4 INT's under that pressure.

Yeah, PeytownChief, nice try. Want to break down those QB stats from the first three quarters when the game was on the line and the 4th quarter when Pitt's D relaxed and went into more prevent looks?

If by chance Plummer were to see that type of pressure on Sunday, I guarantee 98% of this board will be on here defending what will be pitiful numbers and blaming the coaching staff and OLine...

After Plummer audibled to an int at the goal line against San Diego last year, he's been limited. Plummer has almost always audibled to the safe option: Running the ball.

Manning audibled to pass plays. Like I said, most great players, especially QBs, back themselves up. Manning wanted to beat the Steelers with his arm, by passing the ball instead of handing it off to Edge 25 times.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Don't you have a draft to plan for?
And years of Herm mediocrity to contemplate?

[fontaine]

for both of his teams

He's keeping it simple this year:

Trade ALL KC picks in 2006/2007 for Manning.

[Merlin]

To be fair the Squealers marched right down the field and went up 14-0....That puts any team in a hole and has to throw more even if they didn't want to...Edge still carried it 10 times in the first half...

Second point that I haven't seen anybody make is that the Colts offensive scheme has struggled for a few years against good 3-4 defenses. Most of their losses have come at the hands of 3-4 schemes. Clearly the Colts offensive scheme is designed to handle good 3-4 fronts very well and yet the coaching staff clearly has done nothing to adjust.

Anyone who thinks completing about 60% of your passes for nearly 300 yards, a TD, zero INT's and zero fumbles while having your OLine getting slaughtered on 3 out of 4 plays is choking or poor performance out of the QB either knows very little about football or your hate of Manning has your judgment so distorted that you can't see or think straight. Brady is probably the only other QB in the league that wouldn't have fumbled 4 times, taken 10 sacks and thrown 3 or 4 INT's under that pressure.

If by chance Plummer were to see that type of pressure on Sunday, I guarantee 98% of this board will be on here defending what will be pitiful numbers and blaming the coaching staff and OLine...

I will now take my voice of reason and step back out of here so you guys can continue on with your illogical hate rants.
Took you long enough Mr apologist.

1. 14 points down against Pitt is no big deal, especially since their O becomes so predictable in the second half.

2. Yes the point has been made about his incompetence with the 3-4, I made it few posts ago. The reason it creates problems for him is he is not sure where the blitz is coming from, and despite his intelligence, he is too stupid to make the right call at the LOS to compensate (and lacks the physical skills to compensate through his own means). BTW, the same problems occur with a 4-3 alignment if you send different blitz packages all game. A couple of seasons ago he had the exact same problem against D, but Denver had a secondary in that game. It is a question of handling complicated blitz (i.e. not knowing where it's coming from), he becomes worse than mediocre under such circumstances, and it affects his game.

3. As to his performance, that has to be the biggest homer analysis yet someone has offered. His stats STUNK in the first half, when he was attacked all the time. They improved in the second half when they backed down. They are improved by an INCREDIBLY BAD call on the interception. His performance went down the toilet when they needed him most, because Pitt attacked again. Second to last series- HE DOES NOT GET OUT OF HIS OWN 2 YRD LINE. Last series- HE BLOWS IT AGAIN (instead of moving the ball smartly, he tries to be a hero- surprise, surprise)

4. As to Plummer. Guess which team he played in the playoffs? The healthy D that killed Payaton. Did Plummer dominate? No, but he did not self-destruct like PM did against them or Pitt or any strong D during the playoffs. Now go back and drool over you PM fantasies.

[fontaine]

His stats STUNK in the first half, when he was attacked all the time. They improved in the second half when they backed down. They are improved by an INCREDIBLY BAD call on the interception. His performance went down the toilet when they needed him most, because Pitt attacked again. Second to last series- HE DOES NOT GET OUT OF HIS OWN 2 YRD LINE. Last series- HE BLOWS IT AGAIN (instead of moving the ball smartly, he tries to be a hero- surprise, surprise)


Yeah, Nappy. Did you close your eyes and hide behind your Manning Blanket when they were reviewing that obviously bad call? Or did you suffer selective memory loss when the league admitted it made a mistake in overturning that?

[bendog]

I have the game on Tivo and its simply an intense propaganda scheme to suggest Paidaton was pressured on every pass attempt. He was wild high on several passes Sunday when he had plenty of time to throw. The happy feet started on the Colts second offensive series.

Blame the defense, the offensive line, the OC, the head coach and God himself, Peyton. You've been in the NFL for eight years and you still get rattled when people hit you. That's the bottom line, no matter how badly your fans wish it wasn't.
Yeah, he was wild high. That last drive was fairly criticized by Jaws, I think it was Jaws, in that twice Payaton could've gotten ten yards by going to his short guy. If you get double didget solid shots on the guy, he's done. But Warner got a ring.

[yavoon]

LOL LOL We have all read your posts with their incredible insights. Although sometimes you have something to say, being very knowledgeable about football is not a description you will find about yourself very often, if ever. I'll try and make it simple for you, since your homer instincts seem to get in the way of your ability to interpret. PM performs well when he is protected. As I said many times. Provide ONE single fact to support your argument that it is him that makes his line strong against the blitz, and that the OL stinks. Other than your claims you have not provided one iota of evidence because there is not a stat ANYWHERE that you can use. Every analysis (statistical or otherwise) has always concluded that his OL is excellent (not vg, excellent!) at protect him under normal conditions. If you look at the games I referenced, he did very poorly. Now what did they have in common? He could not read the blitz because they were designed to be better disguised (either because they were in 3-4 formation, or because, as in Denver's case, they kept on changing them on him).

In those cases, keeping only 4-5 for protection is boneheaded because you don't know where the blitz is coming from (thus my comment about him being an idiot, because he could have addressed that). He could have called a number of plays to slow down the blitz, but that kind of blitz also requires a little athleticism to handle, WHICH HE HAS NONE OF, thus his need for greater protection. You obviously ignore those games because you either don't understand the points, or as always you ignore all evidence that contradicts your claims. Now as to interpreting stats, well, you have shown some understanding, but I have corrected you and your assumptions many times. It has been nice playing with you and your straw man, next time bring a little substance to the discussion.

PS, here is something for your adolescent mind to ponder. If all evidence is contrary to your conclusion, and analysts and most other knowledgeable people are in total disagreement with your thoughts, then it is a worthwhile endeavor to devote some of your energy to actually question your assumptions. But then, you could just continue to be an a$$ and behave like a troll, which seems to provide great pleasure to you.

analysts are not in total disagreement w/ my thoughts, many realize that indy's oline is not all that good. if u put ppl to task about it and asked them to trade olines in the league indy's would be in the middle of the pack taken and that might be too high.

the simple fact here is u don't understand in football terms what makes peyton manning so good at not getting sacked, like has been immensely evident u think that immobile qbs who dont get sacked must by default have amazing offensive lines and that athleticism is what avoids pressure. well ur wrong twice and until u realize WHY ur wrong its simply an act in masturbation to talk about the rest of this stuff.

[NaptownChief]

Yeah, PeytownChief, nice try. Want to break down those QB stats from the first three quarters when the game was on the line and the 4th quarter when Pitt's D relaxed and went into more prevent looks?






Did you actually watch the game or was there a Star Trek convention that interfered? You might want to grab a tape of the game as you will find out that it went down to a last second kick to be determined...hence it was always on the line.

[NaptownChief]

its simply an act in masturbation to talk about the rest of this stuff.


They have to play to their strengths.

[Merlin]

well ur wrong twice and until u realize WHY ur wrong its simply an act in masturbation to talk about the rest of this stuff.
You have aptly described yourself and your knowledge base, you are now on the road to redemption. Good luck.

PS But if all fails, you can always join Nappy, your thinking process seems to be working from the same place. You both better go take a cold shower now.

PSS The thing about straw man arguments is that they are indicators of a person's inability to deal with the question at hand, but then your hand is occupied so I can understand.

[NaptownChief]

Merlin,

I respect your gawd given right to be incorrect. You can strip a man of his wealth, his dignity and even his health but you can never take away his ability to be wrong. It is just too bad you invoke that right so often.

[Merlin]

I respect your gawd given right to be incorrect. You can strip a man of his wealth, his dignity and even his health but you can never take away his ability to be wrong. It is just too bad you invoke that right so often.
LOL LOL Hilarious! Hilarious! :rofl: :rofl:
And from a Chief's fan with your posting record, especially considering your above comments. Go back to your fantasies, I can tell you are missing PM again.

[yavoon]

You have aptly described yourself and your knowledge base, you are now on the road to redemption. Good luck.

PS But if all fails, you can always join Nappy, your thinking process seems to be working from the same place. You both better go take a cold shower now.

PSS The thing about straw man arguments is that they are indicators of a person's inability to deal with the question at hand, but then your hand is occupied so I can understand.

there's nothing straw man about it. how am I suppose to continue the conversation when one of its very principles is misunderstood. I believe u r putting the cart before the horse here. FIRST, u must realize why peyton is so good at avoiding sacks, to do that u must understand the best way to handle pressure. Until then all the rest of the stuff u try to talk about is moot.

[Merlin]

there's nothing straw man about it. how am I suppose to continue the conversation when one of its very principles is misunderstood. I believe u r putting the cart before the horse here. FIRST, u must realize why peyton is so good at avoiding sacks, to do that u must understand the best way to handle pressure. Until then all the rest of the stuff u try to talk about is moot.
It is called a strawman because it was never dismissed, his talents were recognized as important, but just one of many factors that comes into play. I explained why he has limitations, how they become evident, and when they were exposed. However, you kept on talking about it as if it had never been recognized, thus the strawman. What you fail to understand is that there are limits that those factors can help. I tried to explain it to you, but you were too busy doing your Nappy impression. Have fun with that.

[-Slap-]

To be fair the Squealers marched right down the field and went up 14-0....That puts any team in a hole and has to throw more even if they didn't want to...Edge still carried it 10 times in the first half...


Second point that I haven't seen anybody make is that the Colts offensive scheme has struggled for a few years against good 3-4 defenses. Most of their losses have come at the hands of 3-4 schemes. Clearly the Colts offensive scheme is designed to handle good 3-4 fronts very well and yet the coaching staff clearly has done nothing to adjust.

Anyone who thinks completing about 60% of your passes for nearly 300 yards, a TD, zero INT's and zero fumbles while having your OLine getting slaughtered on 3 out of 4 plays is choking or poor performance out of the QB either knows very little about football or your hate of Manning has your judgment so distorted that you can't see or think straight. Brady is probably the only other QB in the league that wouldn't have fumbled 4 times, taken 10 sacks and thrown 3 or 4 INT's under that pressure.

If by chance Plummer were to see that type of pressure on Sunday, I guarantee 98% of this board will be on here defending what will be pitiful numbers and blaming the coaching staff and OLine...

I will now take my voice of reason and step back out of here so you guys can continue on with your illogical hate rants.

Just cut and paste this next year, Nappy.

:thumbsup:

[-Slap-]

Yeah, he was wild high. That last drive was fairly criticized by Jaws, I think it was Jaws, in that twice Payaton could've gotten ten yards by going to his short guy. If you get double didget solid shots on the guy, he's done. But Warner got a ring.
Kurt Warner is way tougher than Paidaton. Of course, he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth like Manning 2.0.

[Rock Chalk]

In all fairness to Sir Manning, I really wouldnt have thought much of his comments had no one said anything about it.

Its not like he said "my offensive line sucks, they didnt block ****, thats why we lost".

He said "we have some protection issues" which, in my mind, could be calling out his O-line but then it could also be calling out his HC or OC for not adjusting to what Pitt was doing like putting a FB in the backfield to block.

But that, in essence, IS why they lost that game. They had protection issues.

I do enjoy the fact that everyone is reaming Manning anyway though.

[Rohirrim]

The truth is, Payaton played like crap.

[yavoon]

It is called a strawman because it was never dismissed, his talents were recognized as important, but just one of many factors that comes into play. I explained why he has limitations, how they become evident, and when they were exposed. However, you kept on talking about it as if it had never been recognized, thus the strawman. What you fail to understand is that there are limits that those factors can help. I tried to explain it to you, but you were too busy doing your Nappy impression. Have fun with that.

lump me in w/ nappy who so far has had far superior posts to u? ruh roh!

u never "recognized" it except to as much dismiss it and repeatadly claim things along the lines of "manning is immobile his line has to be good." which is completely fallacious and wrong. even now that u "recognize it" u dont give it credit, like I have said multiple times manning took a line IN A SINGLE YEAR(his rookie year no less) that was near the bottom of the league in sacks and put it near the top. he has been near the top every year since regardless of who is there.

so like I explained prior, BECAUSE OF PEYTON MANNING THE COLTS LOOK GOOD IN PASS PROTECTION. and even at that that is all the colts line is basically asked to do, they have good run blocking stats nominally cuz manning wont run the ball unless its wide fricking open. just look at their power situation stats, they are 29th in the NFL, that is to say when ppl actually expect the run and manning runs it anyawy they are awful.

[NaptownChief]

Kurt Warner is way tougher than Paidaton. Of course, he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth like Manning 2.0.



And much tougher than McChoke....Not to mention he didn't defecate himself in the 4th quarter of his Super Bowl. You think Big Mommy Chunky was able to get that stain out of his pants?

[Clockwork Orange]

And much tougher than McChoke....Not to mention he didn't defecate himself in the 4th quarter of his Super Bowl. You think Big Mommy Chunky was able to get that stain out of his pants?

McNabb's playoff record: 7-5
Manning's playoff record: 3-6

Maybe she can show Archie how to get the hershey stains out of Peyton's tighty whities that seem to appear any time a team hits him consistently.

[maven]

No blocking fullback. No blocking tight ends. This is mgmt & the coaches fault.

If Reggie Wayne & Marvin Harrison are so damn good, why not send out just the two of them. Have two TE's & a FB to block. When is this stupid team going to learn? Oh yeah, that's right. This was their year to do it before the offense starts to be dismantled. Idiots.

[NaptownChief]

McNabb's playoff record: 7-5
Manning's playoff record: 3-6

Maybe she can show Archie how to get the hershey stains out of Peyton's tighty whities that seem to appear any time a team hits him consistently.



The final game in each of McChokes last five seasons were some of the biggest choke jobs in NFL history...

Winning and losing is a team matter that brings 22 starters, a couple of kickers, several special team guys and a coach staff into play...

This however is an individual choke job:

2000: 20 of 41 181 yards 1 TD 1 INT
2001: 18 of 30 171 yards 1 TD 1 INT
2002: 26 of 49 243 yards 0 TD 1 INT
2003: 10 of 22 100 yards 0 TD 3 INT
2004: 30 of 51 357 yards 3 TD 3 INT (And the famous non-2 minute drive)


I thought I was pulling a Ron Mexico stat line for a moment there....I can't believe the masturbation that would be going on in here if Manning tossed up anything like that.

[Clockwork Orange]

The final game in each of McChokes last five seasons were some of the biggest choke jobs in NFL history...

Winning and losing is a team matter that brings 22 starters, a couple of kickers, several special team guys and a coach staff into play...

This however is an individual choke job:

2000: 20 of 41 181 yards 1 TD 1 INT
2001: 18 of 30 171 yards 1 TD 1 INT
2002: 26 of 49 243 yards 0 TD 1 INT
2003: 10 of 22 100 yards 0 TD 3 INT
2004: 30 of 51 357 yards 3 TD 3 INT (And the famous non-2 minute drive)


I thought I was pulling a Ron Mexico stat line for a moment there....I can't believe the masturbation that would be going on in here if Manning tossed up anything like that.

Manning apologists love numbers until you point out PayMeATon's playoff record. Then it suddenly becomes a team game, which conveniently gives them (and Manning himself) the luxury of throwing the rest of the Colts under the bus....or blaming the officials.....or the field conditions.....or anything else that takes any responsibility off of Prince PayMeATon. Yet when the Colts win games, all they want to talk about is the brilliance of Manning and everyone else is basically an afterthought.::)

But since you brought it up, care to look at Manning's playoff losses? Lord knows there's enough of them.

19-43, 227 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT
17-32, 194 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT
14-31, 137 yds, 0 TD, 2 INT
23-47, 237 yds, 1 TD, 4 INT
27-42, 238 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT
22-38, 290 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT

Damn, now those are stat lines that ol' Ron Mexico would be proud of. But I'm sure that there are excuses to be made and other Colts players to blame for the losses in all of these brilliant performances by Manning, right?

[Merlin]

But since you brought it up, care to look at Manning's playoff losses? Lord knows there's enough of them.

19-43, 227 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT
17-32, 194 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT
14-31, 137 yds, 0 TD, 2 INT
23-47, 237 yds, 1 TD, 4 INT
27-42, 238 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT
22-38, 290 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT

Damn, now those are stat lines that ol' Ron Mexico would be proud of. But I'm sure that there are excuses to be made and other Colts players to blame for the losses in all of these brilliant performances by Manning, right?
As I said, his only good stats are against three very suspect Ds, especially for playoff games. Every single time he has faced a decent or better D, he has failed misserably. But we all know it is not his fault, because the line just magically turns into mush come playoff time, his play does not change at all.