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TheReverend
01-11-2006, 02:06 PM
(Jan. 11, 2006) – The playoff game between the Patriots and Broncos features a lot of interesting matchups, but the key one will be Jake Plummer against the Patriots secondary. Plummer's had a good season, but he has a history of making mistakes in some big situations and he'll have to limit that against the Patriots.

The New England secondary is always good at disguising stuff. The Patriots started that two years ago when they went to the Super Bowl and Ty Law and Rodney Harrison made up their own defense within Bill Belichick's scheme. Law is gone and Harrison is injured, but Belichick has been known to allow the secondary, because they've been good, to work within themselves and do a lot of different things, so it can be hard for a quarterback to pick up what they are doing. That can lead to some costly mistakes.


The Broncos need steady play from Jake Plummer.
When he gets his chances, Plummer's really going to have to be on the mark. He's going to have to link up with Rod Smith if the Pro Bowl receiver can get open. Plummer isn't a mobile as he has been in the past, but he's going to have to be able to get away from Willie McGinest. McGinest had 4½ sacks last week against Jacksonville, and if he's on fire like that again, it's going to be a dead-end street for Denver.

Plummer will have help, of course, from the Broncos running game, which ranked second in the league. Mike Shanahan will run the ball down your throat if he feels like it and he'll do that until he says stop. He's made Pro Bowl running backs out of everybody that's been there. There's a reason that Terrell Davis, Clinton Portis and all these guys at Denver do so well. It's the schemes that the coaches put them in. The Broncos offensive line knows how to block and get things done.

The Broncos' current starter, Mike Anderson, has a hard-nosed, military style and can run the ball all day. He runs with a chip on his shoulder. He's been in the military and took the long road to the NFL, so to get into the playoffs as he is now, he's not going to take an opportunity to get to the Super Bowl lightly. If that means he has to go through New England, he'll go through New England. It doesn't really matter to him.

To stop Denver's run game, it will help the Patriots if they have Tedy Bruschi back. But the key may be second-year nose tackle Vince Wilfork. He's going to have to plug up the middle against that Denver offensive line and make a lot of things happen.

On the other side of the ball, the Patriots are going to have to move the ball and have more production than they did against the Jaguars. That comes down to Corey Dillon running the ball for more than the 40 yards he had last week and the passing game being more accurate. Tom Brady had a lot of overthrown passes, but that may be a result the Patriots' concern over the height of the Jags' defensive line, and so Brady ended up throwing the ball higher than normal. Count on "Cool-hand" Brady to be more accurate this week.


Corey Dillon will have to find running room against a tough Denver defense.
Denver's defense is ranked No. 2 against the run, but I don't expect that will force Belichick to do anything different than what he's always done. He's going to always try to have some balance, but Denver's front seven is a tough group. I like to call their linebacking group of Al Wilson, Ian Gold and D.J. Williams "The Knockout Kings." It's a physical and cohesive group and they are the key to a fast and aggressive defense. The Broncos front seven always puts a lot of pressure on the opposing offense and has a lot of mobility.

One of the unpredictable parts of this matchup is Belichick. He is quiet, but he's obsessed. He's this offensive and defensive schematic madman who devises these plans to crush opponents, either slow or fast. He does what he wishes. That's why he's one of the most successful coaches since Vince Lombardi.

In the end, though, I think whatever team establishes the running game will win the game. Both defenses will need to limit its mistakes or causes the other team to make mistakes, but it all comes down to the running game.

http://www.superbowl.com/news/story/9158797

Thunderstruck
01-11-2006, 02:10 PM
The Knockout Kings....I like it.

Master___Pain
01-11-2006, 02:13 PM
The Knockout Kings....I like it.

Starring
Al Wilson as "The BOOM"

Thunderstruck
01-11-2006, 02:15 PM
Starring
Al Wilson as "The BOOM"

Ian Gold as 'Uppercut' and DJ Williams as 'Suckerpunch'

Phantom
01-11-2006, 02:21 PM
If it comes down to establishing the running game .....

Broncos #2 run O
Broncos #2 run D

I pick the Patriots to win :hitself: like all the other pundits.

Plus homefields and bye week advantage ....

Mmmm still gotta take the Patriots.

How did I do? Can I be a sports analyst?

Spider
01-11-2006, 02:25 PM
To stop Denver's run game, it will help the Patriots if they have Tedy Bruschi back. But the key may be second-year nose tackle Vince Wilfork. He's going to have to plug up the middle against that Denver offensive line and make a lot of things happen.
I got to disagree with this part . The most important part defending the zone blocking it isnt clogging , but staying upright and in control of your flow ,Granted Denvers running backs will have to chip better then theJagoffs did , but "clogging" only opens up end arounds , half back passing , Rod smith passing etc ........

TheReverend
01-11-2006, 02:31 PM
Anyone starting to think that this game is going to turn around to be the biggest murder against the Patriots since the Boston-effing-Massacre?

enjolras
01-11-2006, 03:02 PM
I got to disagree with this part . The most important part defending the zone blocking it isnt clogging , but staying upright and in control of your flow ,Granted Denvers running backs will have to chip better then theJagoffs did , but "clogging" only opens up end arounds , half back passing , Rod smith passing etc ........

Or, more often, the vaunted Denver bootleg. The bootleg is so incredibly effective because defensive ends (and more importantly) linebackers are moving inside to clog zones with no containment to the outside.

It really is a hellish choice. You can blow up zones and lose containment on the outside or you can stay in lanes, but risk a punishing attack up the middle. Its why interior linebackers are so important to stopping the Broncos...

Spider
01-11-2006, 03:06 PM
Or, more often, the vaunted Denver bootleg. The bootleg is so incredibly effective because defensive ends (and more importantly) linebackers are moving inside to clog zones with no containment to the outside.

It really is a hellish choice. You can blow up zones and lose containment on the outside or you can stay in lanes, but risk a punishing attack up the middle. Its why interior linebackers are so important to stopping the Broncos...
well said Bro ....

orinjkrush
01-11-2006, 03:09 PM
easiest road to victory: we knock out Brady we win; they knock out Jake, they win. hey it worked for peetesburgh

scorpio
01-11-2006, 03:23 PM
they knock out Jake, they win.


Wrong!

BVP eats the 3-4 for breakfast! Sure, he might not throw a single pass, but...

Sodak
01-11-2006, 04:23 PM
Or, more often, the vaunted Denver bootleg. The bootleg is so incredibly effective because defensive ends (and more importantly) linebackers are moving inside to clog zones with no containment to the outside.

It really is a hellish choice. You can blow up zones and lose containment on the outside or you can stay in lanes, but risk a punishing attack up the middle. Its why interior linebackers are so important to stopping the Broncos...


We haven't seen as much of the bootleg lately, I'm not sure why really. It seems that Shanny has made Jake into a bit of a pocket passer, more so now, than ever. Dr. Z or some other idiot commented that Jake isn't as mobile as he used to be.

Whaddaya think?

Steve Sewell
01-11-2006, 04:37 PM
Anyone starting to think that this game is going to turn around to be the biggest murder against the Patriots since the Boston-effing-Massacre?

Based on what I've seen this year from both the Broncos and Patriots, combined with the fact that the game is in Denver with two weeks to prepare, I am pretty certain that the Broncos are going to crush the Patriots on Saturday. I'm talking 2 TD's+.

Spider
01-11-2006, 04:39 PM
We haven't seen as much of the bootleg lately, I'm not sure why really. It seems that Shanny has made Jake into a bit of a pocket passer, more so now, than ever. Dr. Z or some other idiot commented that Jake isn't as mobile as he used to be.

Whaddaya think?
blah... i think it was a good stretch of the season to get Jake to pass out of the pocket more ....

Bronx33
01-11-2006, 04:41 PM
Anyone starting to think that this game is going to turn around to be the biggest murder against the Patriots since the Boston-effing-Massacre?


It looks that way and iam NOT being a homer about it.

Tailgater
01-11-2006, 04:49 PM
Or, more often, the vaunted Denver bootleg. The bootleg is so incredibly effective because defensive ends (and more importantly) linebackers are moving inside to clog zones with no containment to the outside.

It really is a hellish choice. You can blow up zones and lose containment on the outside or you can stay in lanes, but risk a punishing attack up the middle. Its why interior linebackers are so important to stopping the Broncos...

Against a 4-3 defensive front, your description can/would work a majority of the time. Against a BB 3-4 with McGinest and Colvin on the outside, Vrabel and Bruschi inside? Not so much.

I don't see those guys biting on PA as much as most LB'ers would. Lots of experience in that group.

It'll be a heck of a game, but for anyone thinking this is going to be a blowout are in for a rude surprise. Indicates a lack of prep on their own part.

GonzoLays
01-11-2006, 04:56 PM
(Jan. 11, 2006) – The playoff game between the Patriots and Broncos features a lot of interesting matchups, but the key one will be Jake Plummer against the Patriots secondary. Plummer's had a good season, but he has a history of making mistakes in some big situations and he'll have to limit that against the Patriots.

The New England secondary is always good at disguising stuff. The Patriots started that two years ago when they went to the Super Bowl and Ty Law and Rodney Harrison made up their own defense within Bill Belichick's scheme. Law is gone and Harrison is injured, but Belichick has been known to allow the secondary, because they've been good, to work within themselves and do a lot of different things, so it can be hard for a quarterback to pick up what they are doing. That can lead to some costly mistakes.


The Broncos need steady play from Jake Plummer.
When he gets his chances, Plummer's really going to have to be on the mark. He's going to have to link up with Rod Smith if the Pro Bowl receiver can get open. Plummer isn't a mobile as he has been in the past, but he's going to have to be able to get away from Willie McGinest. McGinest had 4½ sacks last week against Jacksonville, and if he's on fire like that again, it's going to be a dead-end street for Denver.

Plummer will have help, of course, from the Broncos running game, which ranked second in the league. Mike Shanahan will run the ball down your throat if he feels like it and he'll do that until he says stop. He's made Pro Bowl running backs out of everybody that's been there. There's a reason that Terrell Davis, Clinton Portis and all these guys at Denver do so well. It's the schemes that the coaches put them in. The Broncos offensive line knows how to block and get things done.

The Broncos' current starter, Mike Anderson, has a hard-nosed, military style and can run the ball all day. He runs with a chip on his shoulder. He's been in the military and took the long road to the NFL, so to get into the playoffs as he is now, he's not going to take an opportunity to get to the Super Bowl lightly. If that means he has to go through New England, he'll go through New England. It doesn't really matter to him.

To stop Denver's run game, it will help the Patriots if they have Tedy Bruschi back. But the key may be second-year nose tackle Vince Wilfork. He's going to have to plug up the middle against that Denver offensive line and make a lot of things happen.

On the other side of the ball, the Patriots are going to have to move the ball and have more production than they did against the Jaguars. That comes down to Corey Dillon running the ball for more than the 40 yards he had last week and the passing game being more accurate. Tom Brady had a lot of overthrown passes, but that may be a result the Patriots' concern over the height of the Jags' defensive line, and so Brady ended up throwing the ball higher than normal. Count on "Cool-hand" Brady to be more accurate this week.


Corey Dillon will have to find running room against a tough Denver defense.
Denver's defense is ranked No. 2 against the run, but I don't expect that will force Belichick to do anything different than what he's always done. He's going to always try to have some balance, but Denver's front seven is a tough group. I like to call their linebacking group of Al Wilson, Ian Gold and D.J. Williams "The Knockout Kings." It's a physical and cohesive group and they are the key to a fast and aggressive defense. The Broncos front seven always puts a lot of pressure on the opposing offense and has a lot of mobility.

One of the unpredictable parts of this matchup is Belichick. He is quiet, but he's obsessed. He's this offensive and defensive schematic madman who devises these plans to crush opponents, either slow or fast. He does what he wishes. That's why he's one of the most successful coaches since Vince Lombardi.

In the end, though, I think whatever team establishes the running game will win the game. Both defenses will need to limit its mistakes or causes the other team to make mistakes, but it all comes down to the running game.

http://www.superbowl.com/news/story/9158797

A bunch of mindless dribble.

Spider
01-11-2006, 04:57 PM
Against a 4-3 defensive front, your description can/would work a majority of the time. Against a BB 3-4 with McGinest and Colvin on the outside, Vrabel and Bruschi inside? Not so much.

I don't see those guys biting on PA as much as most LB'ers would. Lots of experience in that group.


LOL ....... mmmmm kay

Haroldthebarrel
01-11-2006, 05:06 PM
Does it have so much with experience as far as doing your assignments on filling the gaps vs our zone, and thus by virtue be a bit out of position for the play action(bootleg).
I would think it would help much not to bite, but I thought one of the reasons this system thrives on the PA is that especially outside lbs willingly play out of cointainment on the edges to contain the gaps.
of course if you read correctly and hit the hole as the running back arrives, chances are you are gonna make a great tackle no matter what.

Kaylore
01-11-2006, 05:06 PM
This is article could have been written during the pre-season and may have been. This "Jake is playing a defense- that turnover crazy Patriots secondary - that he can't afford to make mistakes against."

Fact: Jake Plummer has the lowest Touchdown to passing attempt ratio in the NFL.

Fact: The New England Secondary has the fourth fewest interceptions of any unit in the entire NFL this season.

Food for thought. Consider the following statistics:

QB#1 : 4110 yards 26 TD's 14 interceptions

QB#2: 4089 yards 27 TD's 20 interceptions

orinjkrush
01-11-2006, 06:15 PM
i really think the keys will be second tier players: foster, lelie, carlisle, putzier on o and on d: engelberger, foxworth, dwill(in nickle) trevor (the missing dude). will they contribute or will they disappear or worse, screw up.

jake will be fine. so will rod. champ might be iffy, if they beat him early, the heart of the D will take a major hit. if he comes out like gangbusters, watch out the mojo is on.