New England is walking into a hell storm...

[RMT]

Sorry TJ to bust your bubble but the Pats are going to take you down.

Bellicheck will have a game plan to make Jake the snake revert to his old bone headed self and if not stop, slow down your teams running attack.

Wishful thinking ...

[Bronco Bob]

Sean Salisbury says that if the Patriots stop the run the stop the Broncos. What do you think?


Steakboy needs to look at the play by play from the October game.
The Patriots held Denver to 13 yards rushing in the 1st quarter.
In the 2nd play of the second quarter jack threw a 72 yard pass
to Rod Smith and the route was on. On the next drive Jake had
passes of 19 yards and 55 yards to Lelie on the 1st two plays
of that drive. It was the passing game that opened up the running game.

It amazes me these idiots get paid to talk about things they haven't a clue
as to what they are talking about.

[footstepsfrom#27]

It seemed to me that this year Brady carried the team without much help from the rest of the offense or defense but it seems impossible to convince opposing fans that he's more than a "system" QB.

I'm not thinking much about Jake in AZ. I'm thinking more about him last year when he threw 20 INTs. In a lot of ways he reminds me of a lesser version of Favre. He has the "gunslinger" style which when it works looks great and when it fails looks really bad. It always seemed to me that "bad Jake" showed up a little more often than "good Jake".
Yeah...20 picks was bad...no doubt...even though 7 came in two games and 4of those amazingly all bounced off Bronco receivers HANDS in the same game...still not good. But I notice you ignored the fact he's thrown a total of 14 in the other two years combined. Maybe it had something to do with the fact that Brady's thrown double digit INT's EVERY YEAR HE'S STARTED, though I confess I've never yet heard hiim referred to as a "system" QB...more like the 2nd coming of Christ.

So double digit INT's every year but he's got rings so he gets a free pass...eh? Hopefully when Jake gets his first ring he'll finally get opposing fans to realize he's not "bad" Jake the system QB anymore.

[Rock Chalk]

It seemed to me that this year Brady carried the team without much help from the rest of the offense or defense but it seems impossible to convince opposing fans that he's more than a "system" QB.

I'm not thinking much about Jake in AZ. I'm thinking more about him last year when he threw 20 INTs. In a lot of ways he reminds me of a lesser version of Favre. He has the "gunslinger" style which when it works looks great and when it fails looks really bad. It always seemed to me that "bad Jake" showed up a little more often than "good Jake".
I dont really know who is knocking ole Tom Terrific, and it really doesnt matter as that is not what concerns me about your post.

Its about Jake of last year. You claim you are "thinking more about him last year when he threw 20 INTs." then go on to compare him to a lesser version of Favre.

Well, 7 of his passes last year were from hail mary's and tipped balls off receivers hands. Bad luck and desperation do not make a bad quarterback or mean that he had a bad year. With a few Bronco faithful who were off the Jake bandwagon for a year, most of us realized this while the rest of the media looked at the stat sheet and said "Wow, 20 picks, he sucks". Minus trying to win games in desperation attempts and stupid brick handed receivers, Jake had a 27/13 TD to Int ratio last year. Not bad. This year, he has 7 picks and should have had about 13 or so. No tipped ones and save for the Miami game (hail mary to try to tie or something) there have not been any need for desperation end of game attempts at the end zone.

Ultimately I think Jake has played about the same but the team around him has played so much better.

[PatriotReign37]

Will you come back to this board and give the Broncos their due on Saturday night?


Should the Broncos win I'll be back to give Denver their due. Without question. Without excuses.

[BostonIrish]

I dont really know who is knocking ole Tom Terrific, and it really doesnt matter as that is not what concerns me about your post.

Its about Jake of last year. You claim you are "thinking more about him last year when he threw 20 INTs." then go on to compare him to a lesser version of Favre.

Well, 7 of his passes last year were from hail mary's and tipped balls off receivers hands. Bad luck and desperation do not make a bad quarterback or mean that he had a bad year. With a few Bronco faithful who were off the Jake bandwagon for a year, most of us realized this while the rest of the media looked at the stat sheet and said "Wow, 20 picks, he sucks". Minus trying to win games in desperation attempts and stupid brick handed receivers, Jake had a 27/13 TD to Int ratio last year. Not bad. This year, he has 7 picks and should have had about 13 or so. No tipped ones and save for the Miami game (hail mary to try to tie or something) there have not been any need for desperation end of game attempts at the end zone.

Ultimately I think Jake has played about the same but the team around him has played so much better.

Everything I've seen of Jake this year (which has been limited) has been very good. I don't think he's as good as Brady but I don't think the gap is really that large either. With a decent game from Jake the Broncos will be tough to beat, especially at home. Based on what he's done this year it is reasonable to expect him to have a "decent game" this week.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Boston Irish...off topic but if you're a Celts fan how is Gerald Green doing with them? He played HS here in Texas and was simply off the charts...I noticed he doesn't show up in their box score...been a while since I looked though so maybe he's playing now?

[MrPeepers]

Should the Broncos win I'll be back to give Denver their due. Without question. Without excuses.


Their can be only one, can't wait to see the heads roll this weekend. Start shopping for a new Denver jersey, you'll be on the bandwagon Saturday about 6pm. :)

[Bronco Vixen]

here's my question...will we still be forced to endure the brutal 412 patriot commercials per game after dismantling them this weekend?

[BostonIrish]

Boston Irish...off topic but if you're a Celts fan how is Gerald Green doing with them? He played HS here in Texas and was simply off the charts...I noticed he doesn't show up in their box score...been a while since I looked though so maybe he's playing now?

He was just assigned to the developmental league in Fayettesville in order to give him more playing time. The team is pretty happy with his progress and sees a lot of potential in him.

Here's a link to an article on Celtics.com that updates his current situation:
http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/notes010606_green.html

I'm a partial season ticket holder (split tickets with 5 other guys) and have yet to see him play. Sounds like a good move for him to get more playing time in Fayettesville.

[BostonIrish]

here's my question...will we still be forced to endure the brutal 412 patriot commercials per game after dismantling them this weekend?

Lucky bah-stads......we only get 403 patriot commercials per game and they're our team! ;D

[Hercules Rockefeller]

here's my question...will we still be forced to endure the brutal 412 patriot commercials per game after dismantling them this weekend?

No, Pepsi will still bombard us with that retarded Diet Pepsi Machine commercial. Whoever gave the go-ahead for the concept should be fired, and whoever allowed them make a second one should be shot.

[Bronco Vixen]

No, Pepsi will still bombard us with that retarded Diet Pepsi Machine commercial. Whoever gave the go-ahead for the concept should be fired, and whoever allowed them make a second one should be shot.

amen brotha! i will never be able to look at rich eisen the same way again.:oyvey:

[elsid13]

amen brotha! i will never be able to look at rich eisen the same way again.:oyvey:

I actually gained respect for him for doing those commercials, he went from a second rate sport story reader to 1st rate lousy product pusher. Everybody know 1 better then 2.

[errand]

Second half of the season. 1st against the rush. It takes a team some time to Jell. But them there are the facts. from week 7 till now....the pats have absolutely shut down the run. Seymour is a pretty good player....he has a bright future.

So the first six weeks of the season never happened huh? :clown:

In that case, the Broncos are 13-2 after week one.

[BroncoFanDoug]

The patties secondary is subpar so why can't plummer pass on it? or are we dealing with typical steakboy banter? hes been wrong all year about us.

The patsies secondary is subpar. However, they will be able to cheat on their pass coverage if we cannot establish a credible run game. The 2 are linked. If we can run solidly against their base defense it will provide great opportunities down field. If we can run very well against their base defense, we will kill them down field. If we cannot run effectively against their base defense, we will struggle down field.

[sirhcyennek81]

Bellechik hides deficencies with scheme, but you cant scheme for a lack of talent. our run game will make plays against the patriots, and you can only play the run game straight up, you cant be cute when teams gash you for 10-15 yards a pop. When they play straight up, thats when we go up top. Going to be a fun game. I hope to God i dont have to work.

:Broncos:

[BroncoFanDoug]

I've been embarrassed by all the cork sucking going on.

The only thing I can agree with is the Pats are the champs until someone knocks them off. And to be honest, Pats fans are corky because, well, the way they have been playing looks very, very familiar.

When they spanked Tampa at home it was definitely a statement game.

Defense wins this game. And the Pats front 7 right now is playing with a ferocity that completely disrupts what the other team is trying to do.

By the way, before you guys start talking about "Who have the Pats played recently?" to prove points, take a look at the Orange schedule since the bye week. Not exactly a huge challenge there.

The Broncos have gone 8 -1 in the last 9 games. 4 at home, 5 on the road. They have played 4 teams that were playoff or edge playoff teams (e.g. KC, San Diego, etc).

The patsies have gone 7 -2 in the last 9 games. 5 at home, 4 on the road. They have played 2 teams that were playoff or edge playoff teams.

Denver had a much easier second half than their first half, but the reality is that Denver had a tougher 2nd half schedule, played more on the road, and came out with a better record than the patsies. And they had a better 1st half record against a tougher schedule.

Its not the patsies fault that they had a calkwalk in the 2nd half (plus one if you decide to get pissy). That does not change the fact that the Broncs have done better against a tougher schedule with one more on the road.

By the way, I think the patsies are a great team and it should be a good game. But if you look at the data objectively over the 2nd half, Denver has been a better team. And we are playing at home...

[RMT]

The Broncos have gone 8 -1 in the last 9 games. 4 at home, 5 on the road. They have played 4 teams that were playoff or edge playoff teams (e.g. KC, San Diego, etc).

The patsies have gone 7 -2 in the last 9 games. 5 at home, 4 on the road. They have played 2 teams that were playoff or edge playoff teams.

Denver had a much easier second half than their first half, but the reality is that Denver had a tougher 2nd half schedule, played more on the road, and came out with a better record than the patsies. And they had a better 1st half record against a tougher schedule.

Its not the patsies fault that they had a calkwalk in the 2nd half (plus one if you decide to get pissy). That does not change the fact that the Broncs have done better against a tougher schedule with one more on the road.

By the way, I think the patsies are a great team and it should be a good game. But if you look at the data objectively over the 2nd half, Denver has been a better team. And we are playing at home...

Statistics, of course, don't guarantee performance but they certainly show that the Broncos should be the "odds-on favorites." It's so funny to see the media discounting everyone the Broncos have done THIS year and give the Patriots so much credit for they's done in the past. I'm not worried about them "coming on strong." Their last eight weeks have to be taken with a grain of salt, considering who they've played.

I like how the Broncos have been winning, especially with the play of the defense. You didn't see the Broncos making excuses about injuries when Tatum Bell and Darrent Williams were hurt. Heck, we could even go back and count the injury to Lenny Walls in that argument.

[Bronco Bob]

So the first six weeks of the season never happened huh? :clown:

In that case, the Broncos are 13-2 after week one.


Or at least 7-1 after week 8 vs 6-2 for the Pats.

[Atlas]

Sorry, but it is the same team. Same players minus Phifer and Ted Johnson.

Except we have Seymour for this run as he was hurt for the playoffs last year.

Same team dude. Sorry to scare you.

I understand your pain watching the fall of a dynasty is always tough.

[BroncoBuff]

I can't wait to stuff heaping piles of crow down your throat. I've never read weaker analysis from a supposed Broncos fan ever. Denver being favored at home against a team that Shanahan has already gameplanned for once this season? Are you kidding? And you're telling me that the standard homefield line is too nice?

You're a clown.
You've never read a "weaker analysis" because it wasn't an analysis, dude - just a prediction. :dummy:

Back a-WAY from the homer-myopia :homer: No, not THAT Homer . . . well, okay - that Homer.

[sirhcyennek81]

whoa whoa whoa...lets not throw that you are a clown out there...we save that for raider fans...come on now...

:Broncos:

[BroncoBuff]

whoa whoa whoa...lets not throw that you are a clown out there...we save that for raider fans...come on now...

:Broncos:
That's what I thought! But apparently some people want "cheerleader" threads instead of honest predictions ... pardon me for being honest.

Hey, TJ - start a thread that says "GO TOPES!" :homer: ... and then everybody knows if they pick against the Broncos, the Board Manager will call him a clown! But do me a favor - leave at least one thread for honest discussion. (You think I LIKE predicting we lose?! Well I DON'T.) Actually it's not just you - it's everybody. Even on PatriotsPlanet quiettiger took a shot at me.



And TJ ... back away from the power plant long enough to realize that YOUR OWN QUOTE: "a team that Shanahan has already gameplanned for once this season?" is actually FAR more applicable to Bill Belichik than Shanahan. After all, boss - Shanny gameplanned for the Colts in BOTH of the last 2 REGULAR seasons . . .

. . . how'd that turn out for us?!

[labronx]

Uhhhh....yeah...the "millenium" has been here a long time huh? Seems like that to you does it? How old are you...14?

I know you find this hard to believe but after living in SF, Oakland, Denver and now Dallas...14 Superbowl championships and 22 conference championships...the fact that your Pats have ONE more than the Broncs do really doesn't impress me that much. Beating New England is something we’ve been doing for about 40 years now…so while you may think that the rest of the league is anxious to prostrate themselves in your presence…to us you’re still just the Patsies…LOL…and we enjoy kicking your a** every time we get the chance…

Brady barely played against Miami in week 17.

Well that's what your wife said too...but more to the point...how stupid is it that you ramble on about Brady's PAST career as being relevant to this game but any mention of the fact that Plummer played in AZ or without a decent defense IN THE PAST is immediately dismissed as irrelevant. I know you fancy yourself a "professional troll"...but trust me pal...I've seen much better. Nobody said Brady wasn't a good QB...so you can stop reciting his long list of accomplishments like you're educating the great unwashed about something we're unaware of. You missed the whole point of the post, which had to do with the fact that I keep hearing Patsie fans as well as others talking about Plummer needing his running game or he'll be shut down and we'll have to pass...thus we lose. Unfortunately for you the facts haven’t supported that anymore. Congratulations on a nice attempt to deflect the conversation elsewhere. The FACT is that as great as Brady's been...THIS YEAR...which is where we are NOW...Brady's struggled against some good defenses and you made your playoff run mostly against teams that had trouble stopping the run. At the same time…the New England defense hasn’t faced much outside of KC and Indy…both losses…so once again NOBODY CARES that you went 7-1 against Indy before now or that Larry Johnson would normally rush for 4000 yards in a single season while leaping tall buildings in a single bound…YOU LOST to them. The point is that your defense hasn’t faced or beaten a running game like ours down the stretch, and when you did face us you got punked by us on the ground. Yeah…we know you played your 2nd string defense and didn’t try anyway…etc…etc…etc…but we almost ALWAYS beat you…cripes we nearly beat you with some has-been QB I can’t even remember. You talk about dominating Indy for the last several years…we’ve dominated the Patsies for DECADES….the first game we ever played was against the old Boston Patriots…LOL…we won that one too! Even Patsie fans know this…which is why on Patsie Planet or whatever it’s called they’re moaning about how much they hate us for it…HA!

Deep down you know you fear Denver…you may not admit it…but you know it. Just like you’ve had Manning’s number…we’ve had yours. And the fact you have one extra Lombardi hasn’t changed that.

You’re still the Patsies to us.



You cannot give Reputation to the same post twice.

[BroncoBuff]

All right, TJ . . . maybe we agree a little bit after all. I said I thought the line should be EVEN. You pointed out the "standard home field advantage," though I'm not entirely certain you agreed with the line, maybe we're not so far apart. You thought I had given an "analysis" . . . but I hadn't. Here it is:

* Our secondary - despite very talented personnel - gives up yardage in gashes - even to average QBs ...
* Ashley Lelie is more scared of the middle of the field right now than I've ever seen him ...
* Our pass rush is so weak, I'd trade either Trevor or Courtney for Anton Palepoi right about now ...
* As hot as he was this regular season, Jake is unproven in January, and I think he'll try to "do too much" at least once ...
* Mike Anderson is out of gas this season ... (I say start Dayne, but it won't happen).

WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND ...

There's a whole bunch of guys on the other team with THREE (count 'em - three) Lombardis who are newly-healthy, well-rested, and in peak victory mode, playing for the best NFL head coach in two decades.

I'll be surprised if we stay within 14.

_________________

But just to keep everybody happy . . . GO TOPES!!

[Odysseus]

You've never read a "weaker analysis" because it wasn't an analysis, dude - just a prediction. :dummy:

Back a-WAY from the homer-myopia :homer: No, not THAT Homer . . . well, okay - that Homer.

The press loves the Patriots. The fans love the Patriots. It's hard when Broncos fans don't stand up for their team because nobody else really does. It's why our fans are so loco.

These are two different teams facing each other. This is not a rematch. Both have had time to look at tape, heal up, and mature. There is a lot more at stake so mistakes are magnified and impact players will make more of an impact. You think Belichick might WANT to face the Broncos given their last game of the season performance? The Broncos have to beat the World Champions twice. If they can do this everybody knows they could run the table. The press is going to paint their faces orange if that happens. Don't drink the koolaide.

If the Broncos lose this game the fans are going to meltdown really nasty Jaegarmeister bitter. A lot of die hard fans are turning their back on Jake, Shanahan, Kubiak, and the color orange. Coach Reeves will laugh. The Orangemane will meltdown to nothing more than a dos prompt. The city of Denver will be closed in mourning.

I hope Elway is patrolling the sidelines. Everybody wants to be part of a winner but if they lose this game at home. It will be like the grim reaper just took over. The Patriots can lose and walk away with a smile. They were the underdogs. It was an away game. We didn't want to get our uniforms dirty. It doesn't matter. They will be back next year.

BRONCOS HAVE TO WIN THIS GAME!

I know you didn't mean to bring up all of this so I'll take the hits for you. You'll see the REAL bandwagon fans after this game win or lose.

[BroncoBuff]

The press loves the Patriots. The fans love the Patriots. It's hard when Broncos fans don't stand up for their team because nobody else really does.

If the Broncos lose this game the fans are going to meltdown really nasty Jaegarmeister bitter. A lot of die hard fans are turning their back on Jake, Shanahan, Kubiak, and the color orange. Coach Reeves will laugh. The Orangemane will meltdown to nothing more than a dos prompt.

That's some really fine literary imagery there, tiger . . . you should be a writer. I guess I don't think I'm NOT standing up for them ... I'm treating my prediction like a stock analysis - cold and detached.

By the way ... compare MA's first half of the season to his second half ... the guy's out of gas.

[labronx]

* Ashley Lelie is more scared of the middle of the field right now than I've ever seen him ...
This is getting OUTTA hand!

* Our pass rush is so weak, I'd trade either Trevor or Courtney for Anton Palepoi right about now ...

At this point you are OUTTA control!

* Mike Anderson is out of (OUTTA) gas this season ... (I say start Dayne, but it won't happen).

Now your are going OUTTA your mind!
WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND ...


There's a whole bunch of guys on the other team with THREE (count 'em - three) Lombardis who are newly-healthy, well-rested, and in peak victory mode, playing for the best NFL head coach in two decades.


This proves your not a True Bronco so like Eddie Murphy would say in Bever Hills Cop "Get da f*ck OUTTA here!

I'll be surprised if we stay within 14.

Your OUTTA this wordl!

[BroncoBuff]

This is getting OUTTA hand!

At this point you are OUTTA control!

Your OUTTA this wordl!
WORD!

Just trying to be honest...

I hope I'm wrong ...

[labronx]

WORD!

Just trying to be honest...

I hope I'm wrong ...
"Admitting is the first way to solving your problem."
"Honesty is the best way."
"It is better to have an opinion and be wrong then have no opinion at all!"

all terms coined by Teddy 32 seconds right before he created Google and Ebay!

:thumbs:

[BroncoBuff]

"Admitting is the first way to solving your problem."

:thumbs:
I hear ya . . . okay . . .

"I'm Bronco B., and I have a problem..."

[labronx]

I hear ya . . . okay . . .

"I'm Bronco B., and I have a problem..."

on the serious side though.

I see your points on points on our secondary and plummer and agree.

Dayne and Mike in a way are interchangeable and u MIGHT be on to something.

However, I think u are wrong on your assesment of ASHLEY;D.

I think if he does go over the middle like he did in the OAK game, and I think he will.

That there will be a big part in determining the outcome of the game in our favor.

[Odysseus]

Ultimately I think Jake has played about the same but the team around him has played so much better.

Sig worthy!

This would be the post of the thread in about five threads and two of which will remain unnamed.

[BroncoBuff]

on the serious side though.

I see your points on points on our secondary and plummer and agree.

Dayne and Mike in a way are interchangeable and u MIGHT be on to something.

However, I think u are wrong on your assesment of ASHLEY;D.

I think if he does go over the middle like he did in the OAK game, and I think he will.
Thanks. I forgot about Ashley's catch in Oakland . . . it's just I was expecting a much bigger year out of him this season.

That catch in Buffalo was sick, though.

[Odysseus]

That's some really fine literary imagery there, tiger . . . you should be a writer. I guess I don't think I'm NOT standing up for them ... I'm treating my prediction like a stock analysis - cold and detached.

By the way ... compare MA's first half of the season to his second half ... the guy's out of gas.

1. If you really want to be cold and detached go to the Broncos game and yell like you don't FRIGGING care what anybody thinks. As a fan it is your personal responsibility to make noise, distract the other guys, and believe in power of Mile High.

2. Put on bright orange wig and win or lose keep screaming for this team to put up more points. If you take off your shirt and paint your chest...again being totally detached...you will be the man.

3. I think the rational thing to do as a Broncos fan is to throw away stats. This is a playoff game. Anderson has been holding back. He is angry that he didn't get any respect for the Pro Bowl and plans to put up a bunch of yards to prove what a mistake the league made not considering him.

4. If you want to totally ruthless bring a beachball and then let it into the crowd without any consideration for that beach ball. Screw that beach ball.

5. I think one of the best ways to be detached and rational is to start a wave. Screw these guys sitting comfortably in their seats. Put down your wine, your cheese and the reefer pipe you don't think anyone sees and get on your feet. Again this is the only rational think that you can do.

6. Speaking of cold you should provide cold beer to everyone in arms reach of you. The beer man will thank you. The fans will thank you and ultimately you'll bring peace to all the world but be detached while doing this. I have the personal cell phone of the beer man Earth child. I put in my section number and empty his cart. I now pass this tradition onto you. Be fan worthy and pass forward the tradition.

7. Remember sports writers, Internet posters, and guys in Iraq have zero impact on the game. Fans who are at the game do. If you can't make it to the game yell at your t.v. The signals are backfed and transferred through space thus further complicating the mystery of Mile High Magic.

Don't let me down BroncoBuff.

[fontaine]

* Our secondary - despite very talented personnel - gives up yardage in gashes - even to average QBs ...
* Ashley Lelie is more scared of the middle of the field right now than I've ever seen him ...
* Our pass rush is so weak, I'd trade either Trevor or Courtney for Anton Palepoi right about now ...
* As hot as he was this regular season, Jake is unproven in January, and I think he'll try to "do too much" at least once ...
* Mike Anderson is out of gas this season ... (I say start Dayne, but it won't happen).


Thirteen pages of vague generalties.

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and actually put up individual matchups for and against the players you've mentioned?

Here, I'll get you started:

Lelie: Who cares if he's not going across the middle? He's got excellent deep speed against inexperienced and backup Patriot DBs and he's already come up with big plays in their first game. He won't be asked to go over the middle because that's where we'll use Putz/Alexander since the Pats are one of the worst teams in the league defending pass catching TEs.

Also the Pats will have to pick and choose how their safeties play the run. Since Bell gashed them for big runs they'll have to count on their front 7 to contain him and if that doesn't happen then their safeties will have to cheat up and that's where Lelie will have one on one coverage deep and Jake has the mobility to buy time in the pocket to get him those big passes.

The FACT of the matter is that in our first contest Shanahan was able to exploit EVERY single matchup on offense. Whether it was Bell, Putz, Rod, Lelie, or Jake. EVERY single one of those players made big plays throughout the game. It's not like Bell and his running single handedly won the game for us and that's all the Pats have to worry about.

If they stop the run, then we can go to Putz/Rod. If they go to shut down Lelie/Rod by flooding the secondary then we can start running the ball again with Anderson/Bell. That's been a great feature of this team. There isn't just one guy that we count on. We've been able to beat teams multiple ways and that's not even counting our defense which is giving up just 13 points on average at home and that's counting teams that have racked up the points against us when we've built huge leads in the second half.

[Minuteman]

Bellechik hides deficencies with scheme, but you cant scheme for a lack of talent. our run game will make plays against the patriots, and you can only play the run game straight up, you cant be cute when teams gash you for 10-15 yards a pop. When they play straight up, thats when we go up top. Going to be a fun game. I hope to God i dont have to work.

:Broncos:

Actually the Pats scheme to take away the most dangerous part of an opponent's game and forces them to win with the weaker part. I still think the Patriots won't give up a ton of yeards on the gorund and when it's time to pass The Snake will have someone in his grill most of the night.

If Asante Samuel has a decent game then I think the Pats win. I wouldn't expect much from the other side, where Ellis Hobbs has stepped in and proven he's a bona fide NFL corner.

[Odysseus]

[QUOTE=BroncoBuff1]I'll be surprised if we stay within 14.

This is a Championship fight. Somebody is getting knocked the F out. Broncos are motivated. The biggest knock on them has been getting knocked out of the playoffs in first round. You don't think three years of hearing that isn't a motivator? You think the Broncos are going to have a problem getting up for the game? Anderson is wearing down baby...he's holding back.

[BroncoBuff]

BroncoBuff1 wrote:I'll be surprised if we stay within 14.

This is a Championship fight. Somebody is getting knocked the F out. Broncos are motivated. The biggest knock on them has been getting knocked out of the playoffs in first round. You don't think three years of hearing that isn't a motivator? You think the Broncos are going to have a problem getting up for the game? Anderson is wearing down baby...he's holding back.
That's a good point . . . Anderson has gotta be rested. Still think we should use Dayne, though.

But I keep coming back to what an ass-kicker Brady is, and we have no pass rush w/o a blitz ... but the blitz might be Brady's best friend ... MAN! Everybody around here is so very sure we're gonna win ... I think they forget how truly incredible a player Tom Brady really is. HOF already, no doubt about it. He scares the holy be-jesus outta me . . .

.

[errand]

Does it matter? You think your rushing attack is unstoppable?

So tell us in all your infinite wisdom...how are you gonna accomplish what 16 other teams couldn't?

[errand]

That is actually not bad. See, he was on pace to rush for over 2,400 yards for a 16 game season.

So what you're saying is you can only hope to contain us...not actually stop us?

[errand]

Out of the teams remaining in the AFC...how many have YOU beaten?

We beat 1 of them.

...only one comes to mind...New England.

[errand]

Your a moron! Never said average said good. Open your eyes jackass.

...well you have to realize that being good means you're avergae if you're a Patriot fan. afterall they have the best talent in the NFL....at least that's what we've been told all year.

[errand]

Wow. That is too long to read. I bet it was written well though.

After Saturday's games you can come back hear and see not only the how, but why you're boys won't be getting that coveted 4th ring

[errand]

War and peace was shorter. If we are supposed to read novels it would be called a Bookboard....not messageboard.

Yeah it was kind of long...but pretty good reading nonetheless.

[Odysseus]

That's a good point . . . Anderson has gotta be rested. Still think we should use Dayne, though.

Brady is an ass-kicker, and we have no pass rush w/o a blitz ... but the blitz might be Brady's best friend ...

You forgot to list Tedy Bruschi. Dude. He's going to pop your eyes out with a plastic spork.

[errand]

....but there is no game that Jake won with his arm is there?



As far as bashing Jake....all I know is that he is 1-3 in postseason. he has a reputation for throwing picks. He has a running game all year. Brady has yet to have one. Brady carried his team on his back through all the injuries. Jake was carried by Bell and Anderson.



I'll agree if you want to be the champ, you gotta beat the champ.

The first sentence should be all you need to know about why you're not gonna win Saturday. You win in the playoffs by playing good D...and running the football. And like you said Jake hasn't won a game on his arm all year...so explain how you're gonna stop a rushing attack that basically won 13 of 16 games?

Your last paragraph is another reason why you shouldn't discount the Broncos....Yeah Jake is 1-3 in the post season...but do you think Bill took Manning lightly because he was 1-3 himself when he came to NE two seasons ago? I doubt he's taking Jake's ability to sell playaction passes on the roll out lightly....and neither should you.

BTW, injury-riddled teams that are carried into the playoffs on the shoulders of their QB and not the strength of their running games and defenses haven't fared too well historically speaking. Trust us, we know.......

[VileTom]

Boston Irish...off topic but if you're a Celts fan how is Gerald Green doing with them? He played HS here in Texas and was simply off the charts...I noticed he doesn't show up in their box score...been a while since I looked though so maybe he's playing now?


Green has not played and was sent to the NBDL this week. He plays the same position as Paul Pierce and Ricky Davis so there wasn't much playing time available. According to reports he's been hitting the weights and added about 20 lbs of muscle.

[errand]

Yes it's my first post. SUE ME!

This shows how little you know about the Patriots. 3 of 4, two in row-- the hunger lies in making a statement about an historic place in football lore.

You don't think Seymour is hungry?
You don't think Dillon is hungry?
You don't think in-your-shirt Ellis Hobbs is hungry?
Ben Watson? (You guys mark my words, he will be HUGE in this game)
Troy Brown?
David Givens?
Deion Branch? (the most underrated wideout in the game)
and all the rest...

Trust me. Complacency simply doesn't exist in the New England locker room.

The game is on and I think this will be a knockdown, drag-out affair.

This should be football at its best. I can't wait.

Talent wise, do you think this Patriots team is as talented as say the Cowboys of the early 90's? They too won 3 of 4....but despite having some up & coming players and stars in their prime, they too failed to reach the goal you now covet. Now it is not me saying it won't likely happen...it is history saying it won't likely happen

[Minuteman]

So tell us in all your infinite wisdom...how are you gonna accomplish what 16 other teams couldn't?

NO ONE stopped the Bronocs ground game all year?

How about 98 yards total in the first SD game? Only ONE decent drive on the group that game with Dane getting most of his yards on the winning drive.

Or Miami holding the Broncos to 70 yards total?

Am I saying the Denver ground game isn't any good? Of course not. It is quite obviously impressive. But we are talking about strength versus strength here and if you think Denver will run against New England the same way they did in the regular season, I think that is a dangerous assumption.

This is as stout a run defense as Denver has seen for some time.

[errand]

You don't think Seymour is hungry?
You don't think Dillon is hungry?
You don't think in-your-shirt Ellis Hobbs is hungry?
Ben Watson? (You guys mark my words, he will be HUGE in this game)
Troy Brown?
David Givens?
Deion Branch? (the most underrated wideout in the game)
and all the rest...

.

Hungry? Might I suggest a snickers bar? Afterall like they say, when you know you're not going anywhere for awhile......................

[Minuteman]

Hungry? Might I suggest a snickers bar? Afterall like they say, when you know you're not going anywhere for awhile......................

Actually, I heard the Patriots are going to Disney Feb 6.

[errand]

My friend Joe, who knows everything (just ask him) said the Broncos will loose this game.


He also picked the Cowboys to make it to the superbowl earlier this year, and has been unemployed for going on 3 years.

Damn that Bush and his Haliburton cronies.....

[Mile High Shack]

Actually, I heard the Patriots are going to Disney Feb 6.

you are correct

who can slay the mighty Messiah's?

your team will never lose a game in the playoffs EVER again

I say they cancel every season from here on out until Brady is 40 years old, so by then, maybe a new team could win the superbowl

[Mile High Shack]

NO ONE stopped the Bronocs ground game all year?

How about 98 yards total in the first SD game? Only ONE decent drive on the group that game with Dane getting most of his yards on the winning drive.

Or Miami holding the Broncos to 70 yards total?

Am I saying the Denver ground game isn't any good? Of course not. It is quite obviously impressive. But we are talking about strength versus strength here and if you think Denver will run against New England the same way they did in the regular season, I think that is a dangerous assumption.

This is as stout a run defense as Denver has seen for some time.

we sucked the first game of the year.....we are a different team than 17 weeks ago

SD always plays us tough, they are division foes and are a pretty good team against the run, they were #1 all year long against it

but I know, I know, the Patriots are the best team ever at 10-6

[Twidget]

...man, I can't believe the energy. I can just feel it surging through the keyboard. The traffic numbers are out of the park. People are jacked up. This is just Monday. The city of Denver is just starting to buzz. I haven't witnessed energy like this on a Monday before a game... Denver fans are realizing how huge it is to get the Superbowl Champs invited to their own home, and they're getting ready to give them all the hell they can handle.

This is going to be huge.

The electricity might be surging through your keyboard, but what you have to realize is that your keyboard won't be on the field and neither will you nor any other of the fans. It will be the players from NE and Denver. Your "electricity surge" might just turn out to be a short circuit.

[Mile High Shack]

The electricity might be surging through your keyboard, but what you have to realize is that your keyboard won't be on the field and neither will you nor any other of the fans. It will be the players from NE and Denver. Your "electricity surge" might just turn out to be a short circuit.

fans are in the stands though numbnuts

ever hear of homefield advantage???

[Minuteman]

we sucked the first game of the year.....we are a different team than 17 weeks ago

SD always plays us tough, they are division foes and are a pretty good team against the run, they were #1 all year long against it

but I know, I know, the Patriots are the best team ever at 10-6

I love how you get to say Denver is a different team now than they were ealrier in the season, but it simply isn't allowed for a Pats fan to say the same thing...

Oh yeah, make that 11-6 and I wouldn't put it that way I'd say they are the best 11-6 team ever...

[fontaine]

NO ONE stopped the Bronocs ground game all year?

How about 98 yards total in the first SD game? Only ONE decent drive on the group that game with Dane getting most of his yards on the winning drive.

Or Miami holding the Broncos to 70 yards total?

Am I saying the Denver ground game isn't any good? Of course not. It is quite obviously impressive. But we are talking about strength versus strength here and if you think Denver will run against New England the same way they did in the regular season, I think that is a dangerous assumption.

This is as stout a run defense as Denver has seen for some time.

For what it's worth, I think A LOT of that New England D will depend on Bruschi playing. His read and recognition skills are superior and you rarely see him taking a false step. There's no doubt in mind that New England will be very tough, especially up front, but we also ran effectively over San Diego who argueably have the best front 3 in the league, and Anderson was out for that game.

[Mile High Shack]

I love how you get to say Denver is a different team now than they were ealrier in the season, but it simply isn't allowed for a Pats fan to say the same thing...

Oh yeah, make that 11-6 and I wouldn't put it that way I'd say they are the best 11-6 team ever...

are you sure the Patriots had players missing the first time?

I haven't heard it on ESPN or NFL Network or the Pats fans or anything

surely this is just a rumor

I mean, afterall, I haven't heard one thing about it...something about the man-god named after a Beer and some guy named......Seeee...seeee...see something er other :espnsux:

[JCMElway]

WORD!

Just trying to be honest...

I hope I'm wrong ...

You are wrong. Buck up and show some Bronco spirit, dammit!

[errand]

Actually, I heard the Patriots are going to Disney Feb 6.

Really, Jake will be riding thru a ticker tape parade then...he'll have to pass.

[Mile High Shack]

You are wrong. Buck up and show some Bronco spirit, dammit!

the playoffs are the time to show your Bronco pride, not some self-serving humility

[OrangeShadow]

NO ONE stopped the Bronocs ground game all year?

How about 98 yards total in the first SD game? Only ONE decent drive on the group that game with Dane getting most of his yards on the winning drive.

Or Miami holding the Broncos to 70 yards total?

Am I saying the Denver ground game isn't any good? Of course not. It is quite obviously impressive. But we are talking about strength versus strength here and if you think Denver will run against New England the same way they did in the regular season, I think that is a dangerous assumption.

This is as stout a run defense as Denver has seen for some time.

Obviously we are a different team than the one that lost to miami.

as for san diego in week 17 we rushed for 157 yards. so they're irrelevant

[RaiderH8r]

Yes it's my first post. SUE ME!

This shows how little you know about the Patriots. 3 of 4, two in row-- the hunger lies in making a statement about an historic place in football lore.

You don't think Seymour is hungry?
You don't think Dillon is hungry?
You don't think in-your-shirt Ellis Hobbs is hungry?
Ben Watson? (You guys mark my words, he will be HUGE in this game)
Troy Brown?
David Givens?
Deion Branch? (the most underrated wideout in the game)
and all the rest...
Trust me. Complacency simply doesn't exist in the New England locker room.

The game is on and I think this will be a knockdown, drag-out affair.

This should be football at its best. I can't wait.
It doesn't sound like they need to win a game, they need a snickers account.

[errand]

NO ONE stopped the Bronocs ground game all year?

How about 98 yards total in the first SD game? Only ONE decent drive on the group that game with Dane getting most of his yards on the winning drive.

Or Miami holding the Broncos to 70 yards total?

Am I saying the Denver ground game isn't any good? Of course not. It is quite obviously impressive. But we are talking about strength versus strength here and if you think Denver will run against New England the same way they did in the regular season, I think that is a dangerous assumption.

This is as stout a run defense as Denver has seen for some time.

The Chargers lost that game BTW....and Miami was a road game in place we have historically never played well in, regardless of who we had on our team. Just as Denver is a place you have historically played poorly in regardless of who you had on your team. So in the two games you listed where you claim our run game was shut down, we still won one of them....

[BroncoFanDoug]

* Mike Anderson is out of gas this season ...
GO TOPES!!

I kinda agree that MA seemed to slowing down. But he has been off for 3 WEEKS! MA will be back to fully-charged!!!

This is one of the Bronco advantages that has not been highlighted as much as maybe it should. Not just MA, but the whole team is going to be feeling better and stronger than they have in a long while.

[PatriotReign37]

After Saturday's games you can come back hear and see not only the how, but why you're boys won't be getting that coveted 4th ring

Dont be so sure of that.

Ol Jake hasnt played his best ball in the post season.

[max7]

...but I know, I know, the Patriots are the best team ever at 10-6
i get your sarcasm, but that statement may end up being true.

[errand]

Dont be so sure of that.

Ol Jake hasnt played his best ball in the post season.

As i said neither did Manning, but something still tells me Bill is staying up late trying to devise a plan to stop Jake's playaction bootleg.

He was 1-1 with AZ...and 0-2 with the Broncos...but to say he hasn't played well in the post season , especially with us is not accurate. I would however like to see how he does playing with a lead, and defense that doesn't get raped for 400 yards thru the air every game.

[max7]

As i said neither did Manning, but something still tells me Bill is staying up late trying to devise a plan to stop Jake's playaction bootleg.
of course he is.
you do not win 3 SBs in 4 years by hoping those kind of things take care of themself.
i would not want it anyother way...in fact it helps me sleep better at night.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

How's Ol' Bruschi doing? Is he practicing today?

[PatriotReign37]

As i said neither did Manning, but something still tells me Bill is staying up late trying to devise a plan to stop Jake's playaction bootleg.

He was 1-1 with AZ...and 0-2 with the Broncos...but to say he hasn't played well in the post season , especially with us is not accurate. I would however like to see how he does playing with a lead, and defense that doesn't get raped for 400 yards thru the air every game.

IF the Pats can stop or slow down the run considerably it will go a long way in limiting the bootleg.

I was refering to Jakes 3 ints in 2 playoff games in regard to poor play in the post season. This game is a turning point for Plummer. If he can play well and win this game then he is indeed the legit QB Shannhan thought he was when he signed him. Its all about winning in the post season.

[BMF Bronco]

<TABLE style="COLOR: #cad0d8" width="100%" align=center><TBODY><TR align=middle><TD colSpan=3>BRONCOS/PATRIOTS TEAM COMPARISON</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD align=middle>BRONCOS </TD><TD align=middle>PATRIOTS</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right>RECORD:</TD><TD align=middle>13-3</TD><TD align=middle colSpan=2>10-6</TD></TR><TR><TD>DIVISION STANDING:


</TD><TD>1st (AFCW)


</TD><TD colSpan=2>1st (AFCE)


</TD></TR><TR><TD>

</TD><TD>

</TD><TD colSpan=2>

</TD></TR><TR><TD>NFL OFFENSIVE RANKING:


</TD><TD>5th


</TD><TD colSpan=2>7th


</TD></TR><TR><TD>OFFENSE-POINTS PER GAME:


</TD><TD>24.7


</TD><TD colSpan=2>23.7


</TD></TR><TR><TD>POSSESSION AVERAGE:


</TD><TD>32:37


</TD><TD colSpan=2>30:19


</TD></TR><TR><TD>TOTAL NET YARDS PER GAME:


</TD><TD>360.4


</TD><TD colSpan=2>352.0


</TD></TR><TR><TD>NET RUSHING YARDS PER GAME:


</TD><TD>158.7


</TD><TD colSpan=2>94.5


</TD></TR><TR><TD>NET PASSING YARDS PER GAME:


</TD><TD>201.7


</TD><TD colSpan=2>257.5


</TD></TR><TR><TD>HAD INTERCEPTED/YARDS LOST:


</TD><TD>7/43


</TD><TD colSpan=2>15/188


</TD></TR><TR><TD>SACKS ALLOWED/YARDS LOST:


</TD><TD>23/146


</TD><TD colSpan=2>28/202


</TD></TR><TR><TD>FIELD GOALS/FGA:


</TD><TD>24/32


</TD><TD colSpan=2>20/25


</TD></TR><TR><TD>

</TD><TD>

</TD><TD colSpan=2>

</TD></TR><TR><TD>NFL DEFENSIVE RANKING:


</TD><TD>15th


</TD><TD colSpan=2>26th


</TD></TR><TR><TD>DEFENSE-POINTS PER GAME:


</TD><TD>16.1


</TD><TD colSpan=2>21.1


</TD></TR><TR><TD>DEFENSE-TOTAL NET YARDS PER GAME:


</TD><TD>312.9


</TD><TD colSpan=2>330.2


</TD></TR><TR><TD>DEFENSE-RUSHING YARDS PER GAME:


</TD><TD>85.2


</TD><TD colSpan=2>98.8


</TD></TR><TR><TD>DEFENSE-PASSING YARDS PER GAME:


</TD><TD>227.7


</TD><TD colSpan=2>231.4


</TD></TR><TR><TD>DEFENSE-INTERCEPTED BY/YARDS:


</TD><TD>20/379


</TD><TD colSpan=2>10/85


</TD></TR><TR><TD>DEFENSE-SACKS FOR/YARDS:


</TD><TD>28/190


</TD><TD colSpan=2>33/223


</TD></TR><TR><TD>

</TD><TD>

</TD><TD colSpan=2>

</TD></TR><TR><TD>PUNTS-AVERAGE YARDS (GROSS):


</TD><TD>43.2


</TD><TD colSpan=2>44.6


</TD></TR><TR><TD>PUNTS-AVERAGE YARDS (NET):


</TD><TD>38.0


</TD><TD colSpan=2>38.3


</TD></TR><TR><TD>PUNT RETURNS-AVERAGE PER:


</TD><TD>8.5


</TD><TD colSpan=2>7.9


</TD></TR><TR><TD>PUNT RETURNS-AVERAGE PER ALLOWED:


</TD><TD>7.4


</TD><TD colSpan=2>9.6


</TD></TR><TR><TD>KICKOFF RETURNS-AVERAGE PER:


</TD><TD>20.7


</TD><TD colSpan=2>22.2


</TD></TR><TR><TD>KICKOFF RETURNS-AVERAGE PER ALLOWED:


</TD><TD>25.3


</TD><TD colSpan=2>21.9


</TD></TR><TR><TD>PENALTIES AGAINST/YARDS:


</TD><TD>97/756


</TD><TD colSpan=2>110/921


</TD></TR><TR><TD>FUMBLES/LOST:


</TD><TD>19/9


</TD><TD colSpan=2>19/9


</TD></TR><TR><TD>OPPONENT FUMBLES/LOST:


</TD><TD>26/16


</TD><TD colSpan=2>13/8


</TD></TR><TR><TD>TURNOVER RATIO:


</TD><TD>+20


</TD><TD colSpan=2>-6


</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>A CHANCE TO KNOCK OFF THE DEFENDING CHAMPS



The Broncos' game against the Patriots on Saturday marks the fourth time Denver has faced the defending Super Bowl champions in the postseason. In addition, it is the first time Denver has faced a team in the Patriots that is defending back-to-back Super Bowls.




<TABLE style="COLOR: #cad0d8" width="75%" align=center><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=5>

</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD>OPPONENT</TD><TD>ROUND</TD><TD colSpan=2>RESULT</TD></TR><TR><TD>1997</TD><TD>Green Bay</TD><TD>Super Bowl</TD><TD colSpan=2>W, 31-24</TD></TR><TR><TD>1989</TD><TD>San Francisco</TD><TD>Super Bowl</TD><TD colSpan=2>L, 55-10</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD colSpan=2></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>BRONCOS BRING BEST AGAINST PATRIOTS

The Patriots have enjoyed prosperity against nearly every NFL team since 2001 on their way to capturing three Super Bowl victories and compiling the league's best overall record (68-22) during that period. However, it's the Broncos who have come out victorious in three of their last four meetings against the Patriots since 2001.
That .750 winning percentage off a 3-1 record against the Patriots since 2001 is the best in the NFL among teams that have played at least four games (regular season and postseason) against the team.
In fact, Denver is the only such team to have a winning record against New England during this time.

[Archie]

The first priority is to avoid having beer thrown on me .

I understand that being a priority, but first?

[errand]

IF the Pats can stop or slow down the run considerably it will go a long way in limiting the bootleg.

I was refering to Jakes 3 ints in 2 playoff games in regard to poor play in the post season. This game is a turning point for Plummer. If he can play well and win this game then he is indeed the legit QB Shannhan thought he was when he signed him. Its all about winning in the post season.

Ridiculous....

3 ints in 2 games where he was being blown out? How many INT's do you forsee Brady tossing if he were down 35-3? If Jake tossed them with Denver tied or winning or just trailing by 3-7 points I'd give you credence...but c'mon to point out int's that have come playing catchup from nearly impossible odds?

....and if post season success was the criteria for being a a "legit" QB tell me what you think about Steve Grogan...was he any good? Tony Eason? Drew Bledsoe?

[Hotrod]

* Our pass rush is so weak, I'd trade either Trevor or Courtney for Anton Palepoi right about now ...

Ok seriously this makes you look like a tool of legendary size.

[Odysseus]

Ok seriously this makes you look like a tool of legendary size.

Anton Palepoi
2005 Arizona Cardinals
3 Games
0 Tackles, blocks, deflects, assists, sackes, or contributions.

Trevor Pryce
2005 Denver Broncos
16 Games
33 Total
31 Tackles
2 Assists
4 Sacks
3 Pass Deflections


*SIGH*

[Crowpointer]

I understand that being a priority, but first?
I am a Patriot fan not a Patriot Player and thus have no effect on the outcome on the game and since (I will be in the vast minority of fans in the stands) nobody will hear me cheering except those next to me. For maximum viewing enjoyment I want to keep my nice Patriots coat dry. At the October game I bought a round for those around me and they did vice versa as well as giving me Elk Jerky (good stuff) I am on the 40 yard line 5 rows from the Patriots bench so I might try and yell down words of encouragement if I think they can hear me but no smack talk. I am a 15 year Pats Season Ticket holder so I've paid my dues with 1-15 and 2-14 seasons and I hate trash talking visiting fans as much as the next guy.

[Minuteman]

Obviously we are a different team than the one that lost to miami.

as for san diego in week 17 we rushed for 157 yards. so they're irrelevant

As irrelevant as that game was...LOL.

[sonsofkraftybob]

Wow. That is too long to read. I bet it was written well though.

I thought it was funnier the 1st time. But hey, no one ever said I wasn't charitable.

[sonsofkraftybob]

Uhhhh....yeah...the "millenium" has been here a long time huh? Seems like that to you does it? How old are you...14?

I know you find this hard to believe but after living in SF, Oakland, Denver and now Dallas...14 Superbowl championships and 22 conference championships...the fact that your Pats have ONE more than the Broncs do really doesn't impress me that much. Beating New England is something we’ve been doing for about 40 years now…so while you may think that the rest of the league is anxious to prostrate themselves in your presence…to us you’re still just the Patsies…LOL…and we enjoy kicking your a** every time we get the chance…

Brady barely played against Miami in week 17.

Well that's what your wife said too...but more to the point...how stupid is it that you ramble on about Brady's PAST career as being relevant to this game but any mention of the fact that Plummer played in AZ or without a decent defense IN THE PAST is immediately dismissed as irrelevant. I know you fancy yourself a "professional troll"...but trust me pal...I've seen much better. Nobody said Brady wasn't a good QB...so you can stop reciting his long list of accomplishments like you're educating the great unwashed about something we're unaware of. You missed the whole point of the post, which had to do with the fact that I keep hearing Patsie fans as well as others talking about Plummer needing his running game or he'll be shut down and we'll have to pass...thus we lose. Unfortunately for you the facts haven’t supported that anymore. Congratulations on a nice attempt to deflect the conversation elsewhere. The FACT is that as great as Brady's been...THIS YEAR...which is where we are NOW...Brady's struggled against some good defenses and you made your playoff run mostly against teams that had trouble stopping the run. At the same time…the New England defense hasn’t faced much outside of KC and Indy…both losses…so once again NOBODY CARES that you went 7-1 against Indy before now or that Larry Johnson would normally rush for 4000 yards in a single season while leaping tall buildings in a single bound…YOU LOST to them. The point is that your defense hasn’t faced or beaten a running game like ours down the stretch, and when you did face us you got punked by us on the ground. Yeah…we know you played your 2nd string defense and didn’t try anyway…etc…etc…etc…but we almost ALWAYS beat you…cripes we nearly beat you with some has-been QB I can’t even remember. You talk about dominating Indy for the last several years…we’ve dominated the Patsies for DECADES….the first game we ever played was against the old Boston Patriots…LOL…we won that one too! Even Patsie fans know this…which is why on Patsie Planet or whatever it’s called they’re moaning about how much they hate us for it…HA!

Deep down you know you fear Denver…you may not admit it…but you know it. Just like you’ve had Manning’s number…we’ve had yours. And the fact you have one extra Lombardi hasn’t changed that.

You’re still the Patsies to us.

Brady's accomplishments are NOT in the past bro. They are ongoing as we speak. When he walks off the field finally with no shiney trophy on top of a shiney pedestal...then it's in the past. Till then the last 2 years until this Saturday are the present.

Sorry you guys weren't good enough the past two years to exercize your ownership of us. Somehow you didn't make it far enough. But now you have your chance. To make all of Brady's accomplishment BECOME the past...till then they're the present.

BTW, you know that Belichick is 18-3 when facing an opponent for the 2nd time in a season don't you? 6-0 after a loss.

Good luck. You guys need it.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by sonsofkraftybob
....but there is no game that Jake won with his arm is there?
I just love it when trolls come in here and step right into a big steaming pile of ****...especially those who pompously bill themselves as "professional" trolls...so much the better...so open wide and take it dude, cause apparently YOU don't follow your own team that well...read it and weep from NFL.com...casue the game Jake won "with his arm"...was against New England...LOL...so now that we've seen the professional version...how bout you send over the amateurs instead because it looks like there might be a vacancy for your roster spot on www.patriotfanswhoarenitwits.com

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20051016_NE@DEN

NFL.com wire reports

DENVER (Oct. 16, 2005) -- Jake Plummer did more than merely manage the game, he controlled it. He made big plays when they were there, avoided mistakes and made the New England Patriots look more like a team in disarray than the NFL's reigning dynasty.

Plummer hit on throws of 72 and 55 yards to help the Denver Broncos to a 28-20 victory over the two-time defending champions, the first time he showed his explosive capability this season.

Video highlights


Jake Plummer throws for 2 touchdowns in guiding the Broncos over the Patriots 28-20.
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"We knew we were going to get a couple of shots," Plummer said. "They panned out like that."

Tatum Bell had a 68-yard run and finished with 114 yards to surpass the century mark for the second straight week as the Broncos (5-1) jumped ahead by 25 early in the third quarter en route to their fifth straight win.

Plummer finished with 262 yards and two touchdowns and extended his streak without an interception to 17 quarters. Over the previous three games, the errorless ball came seemingly at the expense of the big play -- Plummer didn't crack 150 yards in any of those games -- but this time, the Broncos got both.

"He's definitely been playing a lot smarter," said receiver Ashley Lelie, who caught the 55-yard pass. "He's not trying to make every single play. It's a credit to him understanding and accepting his role on the team. He puts up wins for us when he plays smart like that."

Trailing by 25, Tom Brady picked on the young Denver secondary -- missing the injured Champ Bailey for most of the second half -- to pull the Patriots within 28-20 late.

Tatum Bell posted 100 yards rushing for the second consecutive week.
New England had a chance to tie, but Brady threw three straight incompletions and after a punt, the Denver offense ran the final 3½ minutes off the clock.

Brady went 24 for 46 for 299 yards and a touchdown in a comeback effort fitting of the two-time Super Bowl MVP.

"We pride ourselves on playing smart and playing physical, I just think the execution wasn't there," Brady said. "When we were down 28-3, we started to figure it out a little bit."

New England (3-3) got into the big hole courtesy of Plummer.

Hope that wasn't to long for ya...I know reading's not really your thing... :bash:

[footstepsfrom#27]

Actually the Pats scheme to take away the most dangerous part of an opponent's game and forces them to win with the weaker part. I still think the Patriots won't give up a ton of yeards on the gorund and when it's time to pass The Snake will have someone in his grill most of the night.
The only problem with that idea is that your pass defense sucks. Check out the thread on New England's Porous Pass Defense and you'll see why the Patsies ought to hope like crazy Denver DOESN'T pass...cause they don't really stop anybody. In case you forgot...Plummer & Co toasted you like English Muffins last time out. Please don't tell me about Duane Starks again either...you have bigger problems and Rod Smith is a Patriots killer...check out his game stats over many games against you and you'll see.

Pick your poison.

[footstepsfrom#27]

NO ONE stopped the Bronocs ground game all year?

How about 98 yards total in the first SD game? Only ONE decent drive on the group that game with Dane getting most of his yards on the winning drive.

Or Miami holding the Broncos to 70 yards total?

Am I saying the Denver ground game isn't any good? Of course not. It is quite obviously impressive. But we are talking about strength versus strength here and if you think Denver will run against New England the same way they did in the regular season, I think that is a dangerous assumption.

This is as stout a run defense as Denver has seen for some time.
Miami and San Diego have 350 pound NT's...which as I posted somewhere else, is the one thing Denver's running game struggles with...MASSIVE interior linemen.

You don't have one of those...do ya?:wiggle:

[footstepsfrom#27]

Brady's accomplishments are NOT in the past bro. They are ongoing as we speak. When he walks off the field finally with no shiney trophy on top of a shiney pedestal...then it's in the past. Till then the last 2 years until this Saturday are the present.

Sorry you guys weren't good enough the past two years to exercize your ownership of us. Somehow you didn't make it far enough. But now you have your chance. To make all of Brady's accomplishment BECOME the past...till then they're the present.

BTW, you know that Belichick is 18-3 when facing an opponent for the 2nd time in a season don't you? 6-0 after a loss.

Good luck. You guys need it.
Uhhh...two years ago is the PAST that we are talking about...PLUMMER'S past performances SINCE HE GOT TO DENVER.

Don't know why that's so tough for you to grasp...

[Bronx33]

Uhhh...two years ago is the PAST that we are talking about...PLUMMER'S past performances SINCE HE GOT TO DENVER.

Don't know why that's so tough for you to grasp...


It's his only argument so i doubt hes going to let go of his only point.

[footstepsfrom#27]

It's his only argument so i doubt hes going to let go of his only point.
Like a sinking man in quicksand who grabs a branch that's attached to nothing...an exercise in futility but it gives you something to do on the way down...

[sonsofkraftybob]

I just love it when trolls come in here and step right into a big steaming pile of ****...especially those who pompously bill themselves as "professional" trolls...so much the better...so open wide and take it dude, cause apparently YOU don't follow your own team that well...read it and weep from NFL.com...casue the game Jake won "with his arm"...was against New England...LOL...so now that we've seen the professional version...how bout you send over the amateurs instead because it looks like there might be a vacancy for your roster spot on www.patriotfanswhoarenitwits.com (http://www.patriotfanswhoarenitwits.com)

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20051016_NE@DEN

NFL.com wire reports

DENVER (Oct. 16, 2005) -- Jake Plummer did more than merely manage the game, he controlled it. He made big plays when they were there, avoided mistakes and made the New England Patriots look more like a team in disarray than the NFL's reigning dynasty.

Plummer hit on throws of 72 and 55 yards to help the Denver Broncos to a 28-20 victory over the two-time defending champions, the first time he showed his explosive capability this season.

Video highlights


Jake Plummer throws for 2 touchdowns in guiding the Broncos over the Patriots 28-20.
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"We knew we were going to get a couple of shots," Plummer said. "They panned out like that."

Tatum Bell had a 68-yard run and finished with 114 yards to surpass the century mark for the second straight week as the Broncos (5-1) jumped ahead by 25 early in the third quarter en route to their fifth straight win.

Plummer finished with 262 yards and two touchdowns and extended his streak without an interception to 17 quarters. Over the previous three games, the errorless ball came seemingly at the expense of the big play -- Plummer didn't crack 150 yards in any of those games -- but this time, the Broncos got both.

"He's definitely been playing a lot smarter," said receiver Ashley Lelie, who caught the 55-yard pass. "He's not trying to make every single play. It's a credit to him understanding and accepting his role on the team. He puts up wins for us when he plays smart like that."

Trailing by 25, Tom Brady picked on the young Denver secondary -- missing the injured Champ Bailey for most of the second half -- to pull the Patriots within 28-20 late.

Tatum Bell posted 100 yards rushing for the second consecutive week.
New England had a chance to tie, but Brady threw three straight incompletions and after a punt, the Denver offense ran the final 3½ minutes off the clock.

Brady went 24 for 46 for 299 yards and a touchdown in a comeback effort fitting of the two-time Super Bowl MVP.

"We pride ourselves on playing smart and playing physical, I just think the execution wasn't there," Brady said. "When we were down 28-3, we started to figure it out a little bit."

New England (3-3) got into the big hole courtesy of Plummer.

Hope that wasn't to long for ya...I know reading's not really your thing... :bash:

You are really really trying but still failing. You guys rushed for 178 yards that game. Reading obviously isn't YOUR strongsuit. Go back and try again.

I said "show me a game where your rushing attack was STYMIED"

Stymied means shut down or not going good.

Nice try...but try again.

that there is the diff. between the pros and rooks.

[PatriotReign37]

Ridiculous....

3 ints in 2 games where he was being blown out? How many INT's do you forsee Brady tossing if he were down 35-3? If Jake tossed them with Denver tied or winning or just trailing by 3-7 points I'd give you credence...but c'mon to point out int's that have come playing catchup from nearly impossible odds?

....and if post season success was the criteria for being a a "legit" QB tell me what you think about Steve Grogan...was he any good? Tony Eason? Drew Bledsoe?

Well, we know Brady had no ints when Denver was up 28 - 3. But, its about the post season now.

You know as well as I do that if Plummer fails to deliver his future in Denver is in certain doubt. Sure Grogan was a good QB, but he will never be in the same class as Brady.

[sonsofkraftybob]

Dude, google all you want....but there exists NO GAME where your rushing attack was shut down and Jake won it with his arm.

Nice try with 178 yard rushing game though. Maybe if you rush for 600 yards a game then 178 would be considered STYMIED...but as great as your rushing game is.....I don't think you guys rush for 600 a game.

[footstepsfrom#27]

You are really really trying but still failing. You guys rushed for 178 yards that game. Reading obviously isn't YOUR strongsuit. Go back and try again.

I said "show me a game where your rushing attack was STYMIED"

Stymied means shut down or not going good.

Nice try...but try again
Un...no genius...wrong again. Denver had 20 yards on the ground the entire 1st quarter and went 3 and out, then 5 and out before Plummer started lighting 'em up. The pass actually set up the run...

...do you actually WATCH the games?

[footstepsfrom#27]

Dude, google all you want....but there exists NO GAME where your rushing attack was shut down and Jake won it with his arm.

Nice try with 178 yard rushing game though. Maybe if you rush for 600 yards a game then 178 would be considered STYMIED...but as great as your rushing game is.....I don't think you guys rush for 600 a game.
See above.

[sonsofkraftybob]

See above.

That was won on the ground bro. 178 yards. Sorry but even I admit when I am wrong.....take a cue.

[Bronx33]

You are really really trying but still failing. You guys rushed for 178 yards that game. Reading obviously isn't YOUR strongsuit. Go back and try again.

I said "show me a game where your rushing attack was STYMIED"

Stymied means shut down or not going good.

Nice try...but try again.

that there is the diff. between the pros and rooks.


Reading the thread you seem to be the one that is STYMIED.

[footstepsfrom#27]

That was won on the ground bro. 178 yards. Sorry but even I admit when I am wrong.....take a cue.
Moron...read the play by play on NFL.com if you don't believe me. Jake set up the run with the pass...sheesh.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay/NFL_20051016_NE@DEN

This is to easy.

[ludo21]

Un...no genius...wrong again. Denver had 20 yards on the ground the entire 1st quarter and went 3 and out, then 5 and out before Plummer started lighting 'em up. The pass actually set up the run...

...do you actually WATCH the games?


:thumbsup:

Plummer and Shanny have consistently set up games with the run. It has been amazing that none of the talking heads realize that. In the end of the game our rushing stats are huge, but that is courtesy of the pass and gameplan as much as it is our great OL.

[sonsofkraftybob]

Un...no genius...wrong again. Denver had 20 yards on the ground the entire 1st quarter and went 3 and out, then 5 and out before Plummer started lighting 'em up. The pass actually set up the run...

...do you actually WATCH the games?

I ain't gonna go tit for tat with you.

I was thinking along the lines of 40, 50, 60 yards rushing FOR THE WHOLE GAME. That's what Brady does. Wins games when there is no rushing attack. Jake does not. Please prove me wrong.

[sonsofkraftybob]

Moron...read the play by play on NFL.com if you don't believe me. Jake set up the run with the pass...sheesh.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay/NFL_20051016_NE@DEN

This is to easy.

You like to prop yourself up huh? I guess he killed the clock with his arm too? 178 yards rushing you consider STYMIED? Are you on crack?

BTW, why you calling me a moron? Because you got your azz handed to you in a meaningless debate you resort to name calling?

I went and took the time to reply to your LENGHTY post. You give me a game where the Broncos ran for 178 and somehow think they had no rushing game that day? Now instead of trying to find a game where the Broncos won and had squat for rushing stats....you call me a moron?

Dude lighten up. This is SUPPOSED to be fun.

[VileTom]

Miami and San Diego have 350 pound NT's...which as I posted somewhere else, is the one thing Denver's running game struggles with...MASSIVE interior linemen.

You don't have one of those...do ya?:wiggle:

We got the 2nd year guy from "the U" Vince Wilfork listed at 325. Not big enough?

[footstepsfrom#27]

I ain't gonna go tit for tat with you.

I was thinking along the lines of 40, 50, 60 yards rushing FOR THE WHOLE GAME. That's what Brady does. Wins games when there is no rushing attack. Jake does not. Please prove me wrong.
I already have...and more importantly so has NFL.com, but if you can't read it get your mom to do it for you. I don't care what your thinking now and spinning...you said to show you a game Jake won with his arm and I just did. Denver beat the Patsies because Jake set up the run with the pass and they jumped out to the big lead because of the pass.

I'm not going to apologize for Jake because your running game sucks and ours is dominant. Sorry.:thumbsup:

[footstepsfrom#27]

We got the 2nd year guy from "the U" Vince Wilfork listed at 325. Not big enough?
Nope. Our future HOF center can handle those types...350 is where it's at if you want to stop 'em.

[sonsofkraftybob]

I already have...and more importantly so has NFL.com, but if you can't read it get your mom to do it for you. I don't care what your thinking now and spinning...you said to show you a game Jake won with his arm and I just did. Denver beat the Patsies because Jake set up the run with the pass and they jumped out to the big lead because of the pass.

I'm not going to apologize for Jake because your running game sucks and ours is dominant. Sorry.:thumbsup:

You missed this one...I can tell because you still using insults. And still defending a losing argument. When you feel that you debate something without the mother and moron jokes...let me know.

BTW, why you calling me a moron? Because you got your azz handed to you in a meaningless debate you resort to name calling?

I went and took the time to reply to your LENGHTY post. You give me a game where the Broncos ran for 178 and somehow think they had no rushing game that day? Now instead of trying to find a game where the Broncos won and had squat for rushing stats....you call me a moron?

Dude lighten up. This is SUPPOSED to be fun.

[Hotrod]

Nope. Our future HOF center can handle those types...350 is where it's at if you want to stop 'em.

There are alot of things I and nobody else knows about what will happen on Saturday thats why they play the game but one thing I know and guarantee is we WILL run the ball with sucess period. :thumbsup:

[errand]

BTW, you know that Belichick is 18-3 when facing an opponent for the 2nd time in a season don't you? 6-0 after a loss.

Good luck. You guys need it.

Mike Shanahan has yet to lose a game on Saturday as Broncos head coach. So likewise I'm sure.

[errand]

Dude, google all you want....but there exists NO GAME where your rushing attack was shut down and Jake won it with his arm.

Nice try with 178 yard rushing game though. Maybe if you rush for 600 yards a game then 178 would be considered STYMIED...but as great as your rushing game is.....I don't think you guys rush for 600 a game.

Are you saying that you expect the Pats to beat us @ home if we rush for 178 yards and Jake throws for 250?

68 of those yards came on one rush...BTW, which means you held Tatum in check for the majority of it if that's any consolation for you.

[sonsofkraftybob]

Are you saying that you expect the Pats to beat us @ home if we rush for 178 yards and Jake throws for 250?

68 of those yards came on one rush...BTW, which means you held Tatum in check for the majority of it if that's any consolation for you.

no. It's a little complicated. But what I asked to see is a game where your rushing attack was shut down and Jake had to win the game with his arm.

The guy #27 gave me the game earlier this year against the Pats. But the Broncos ran for 178 yards that day. Not what I would call having your running game shut down....I was thinking along the lines of 30, 40 50 or 60 yards total for the game.

Either way...the discussion went south.

[Hulamau]

I wish we were playing in the afternoon, I hate night games, but that aside I like our chances to become the official bookend to a great Pats 4 year run and give Brady a similar welcome to his first game at Invesco (i.e. 4 INTs and a loss) the year they won their first SB.

[errand]

no. It's a little complicated. But what I asked to see is a game where your rushing attack was shut down and Jake had to win the game with his arm.

The guy #27 gave me the game earlier this year against the Pats. But the Broncos ran for 178 yards that day. Not what I would call having your running game shut down....I was thinking along the lines of 30, 40 50 or 60 yards total for the game.

Either way...the discussion went south.

So I guess my point is there wasn't but perhaps one game where someone shut our running game down...and you don't think that is cause for concern on the Pats part?

BTW, the Broncos are 8-0 @ home in the post-season vs teams they played in the regular season....and have won their last 8 games played on Saturday (Mike is 6-0)

[Twidget]

fans are in the stands though numbnuts

ever hear of homefield advantage???

Gee, that's a new phrase on me! Ever heard of any given Sunday (gameday)?

[ludo21]

So I guess my point is there wasn't but perhaps one game where someone shut our running game down...and you don't think that is cause for concern on the Pats part?

BTW, the Broncos are 8-0 @ home in the post-season vs teams they played in the regular season....and have won their last 8 games played on Saturday (Mike is 6-0)


forget those stats, pats are 14-1 or whatever verse a QB they play twice in a year. Thats all tat matters :clown:

[sonsofkraftybob]

So I guess my point is there wasn't but perhaps one game where someone shut our running game down...and you don't think that is cause for concern on the Pats part?

BTW, the Broncos are 8-0 @ home in the post-season vs teams they played in the regular season....and have won their last 8 games played on Saturday (Mike is 6-0)

Not too concerned. The Pats have the #1 ranked rush defense since week 7

And yeah, I heard about the games played on Saturday thingy....I like the one where Belichick is 18-3 against teams he already faced earier in the season......6-0 if they lost to them. I think that one is a little more relevant than the Saturday thing.

Can't argue with your home record...heck the Pats went 2 1/2 years without losing a game at home before SD beat us week 4

[errand]

More tidbits of info....

Denver's +119 point first-half scoring differential led the NFL.

Denver's 8-0 home record this season made it their fifth time since the 16 game schedule was introduced, another NFL best.

Denver allowed only 37 points over their final 4 games...for an average of 9.3 per game topped only by the Steelers avg. of 8.3.

Denver's special teams have the NFL's stingiest coverage with opponents average starting point being the 28 yard line

Denver is +20 in turnover differential...2nd best in the league.

Denver is 3-1 vs. Pats since their SB dynasty began....only team in the NFL that played them 4 times that can claim a winning record.

[errand]

Not too concerned. The Pats have the #1 ranked rush defense since week 7

And yeah, I heard about the games played on Saturday thingy....I like the one where Belichick is 18-3 against teams he already faced earier in the season......6-0 if they lost to them. I think that one is a little more relevant than the Saturday thing.

Can't argue with your home record...heck the Pats went 2 1/2 years without losing a game at home before SD beat us week 4

Broncos are 8-0 @ home in post-season against teams they played in regular season

[errand]

Not too concerned. The Pats have the #1 ranked rush defense since week 7



Yeah, in fact Tatum Bell was the last guy other than Johnson to rush for over 100 yards against you....good thing you won't see him again, huh?

[Hulamau]

I also recall two years ago when the Seymour, Bruschi and Brady led Pats were going for their second SB and played a Plummerless Bronco team lead by Danny Kannel in only his second full game and very nearly lost. In fact, WHOULD have lost were it not for a total mind fart by Deltha O'Neil gving up a last second TD on a totally undefensed play even though he was running right with the WR and simply didnt bother to stick out his arm or try to play the guy which got him canned and shipped out to Cincy.

So even in the NE mighty years we have played them VERY tough here and have a big edge in Mile High victories over them.

By the way how many ofthose ten-0 playoff victories we on the road ( not including supposedly neutral Super Bowls in which the PAts have always been the fan and media favorites) ?

MAybe one or two tops, but it might be zero too, I havent checked the stats, but I recollect them winning these games at home. Does anyone have that figure?

How many NE playoff wins on the road the past 4 years?

Come on Pats fans, fill us in on the number please :-)!

[errand]

BTW, did I mention the Mike's career record best total offense in one quarter vs an opponent came in this year's game? Now keep in mind this a guy who had TD, Elway, Sharpe, and a turnover causing D for a few seasons.

[Crowpointer]

I also recall two years ago when the Seymour, Bruschi and Brady led Pats were going for their second SB and played a Plummerless Bronco team lead by Danny Kannel in only his second full game and very nearly lost. In fact, WHOULD have lost were it not for a total mind fart by Deltha O'Neil gving up a last second TD on a totally undefensed play even though he was running right with the WR and simply didnt bother to stick out his arm or try to play the guy which got him canned and shipped out to Cincy.

So even in the NE mighty years we have played them VERY tough here and have a big edge in Mile High victories over them.

By the way how many ofthose ten-0 playoff victories we on the road ( not including supposedly neutral Super Bowls in which the PAts have always been the fan and media favorites) ?

MAybe one or two tops, but it might be zero too, I havent checked the stats, but I recollect them winning these games at home. Does anyone have that figure?

How many NE playoff wins on the road the past 4 years?

Come on Pats fans, fill us in on the number please :-)!
2 2001 and 2004 at Pittsburgh when the Steelers were 14-2 and 15-1 respectively.

[footstepsfrom#27]

You missed this one...I can tell because you still using insults. And still defending a losing argument. When you feel that you debate something without the mother and moron jokes...let me know.

BTW, why you calling me a moron? Because you got your azz handed to you in a meaningless debate you resort to name calling?

I went and took the time to reply to your LENGHTY post. You give me a game where the Broncos ran for 178 and somehow think they had no rushing game that day? Now instead of trying to find a game where the Broncos won and had squat for rushing stats....you call me a moron?

Dude lighten up. This is SUPPOSED to be fun.
It is fun. For me.

Calling you names obviously has nothing to do with whether your argument is idiotic or not...and while I don't usually like to call people I've never met morons...when they come in here and gleefully announce "I'm a professional troll"....well you got what you asked for...disrespect. If you came showing some respect you'd get it in return but don't whine like a little school girl when you beg to get hit in the mouth and somebody obliges you.

As for your argument...it's bogus. You asked for an example where Jake won it with his arm...I gave you an example where his arm accounted for our big early lead AFTER we weren't going anywhere on the ground. I can't help it if nobody holds our running game to 40 yards. Searching for a crap running game...and going back to his Arizona days, Jake beat the Giants on October 10, 1999 in a game where the Cardinals rushed 27 times for 28 yards...a sterling 1.1 ypc avg. Plummer threw for 175 and ran for a TD and passed for another with no interceptions. He beat them again on Nov. 28 when he threw for 2 TD's with no INT's and the Cards gained 69 yards on 34 carries for an eye popping 2.0 ypc...and he beat Philly and outdueled Donovan McNabb the next week, Dec 5, 1999 when he ran for 1 TD, passed for another and his running game exploded for a shocking 54 yards/19 carries/2.8 ypc...and Jake got 22 of those himself.

Good enough?

[errand]

2 2001 and 2004 at Pittsburgh when the Steelers were 14-2 and 15-1 respectively.

Had that happened during the Chuck Noll era, I'd say WOW!

But everyone knows the way to keep Bill Cowher led Steelers out of the SB is to give them homefield throughout.

[scorpio]

Everybody knows we have a secret weapon against the 3-4 anyway.

B
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;D

[Hulamau]

And your vaunted 2nd half run defense. granmted its been an improvement against the Bills, Jets and Miami twice (and you forfeited the last Jets game), and the pathetic Bucs offense, not exactly teams that strike the fear of dread in opposing rushing defenses :-)

Against the only two teams with a credible rushing attack, KC and Indy, you got your hats handed to ya!

And even if Bruschi plays ( latest reports are that even though he is not on the injury list (no dobut a Bleicheck smoke and mirrors ruse), he has been limping all though practices this week, even more so than last week when he dressed but didnt play, acoording to John Clayton).

So yes Belicheck PLEASE play Bruschi and keep his healthy backup on the bench! A wounded duck, even a good one like Tedy, will be ripe pickin's for Denvers speed. Dollars to donuts he's on the bench by the second quarter.

[kornneto]

Home cookin'
Broncos try to bring back Rocky Mountain Thunder

The last time the Denver Broncos hosted a playoff game, the stadium shook. Literally.

Time, progress and the inevitable financial realities of the NFL forced the Broncos to bulldoze their creaky, lovable old home, Mile High Stadium, along with the significant home-field advantage that went with it.

In its place is the new Invesco Field, which until this season has not given the Broncos the same kind of edge they enjoyed when Mile High was standing.

"It's taken longer than I thought it would," said owner Pat Bowlen, roundly lambasted when he made the decision to turn Mile High into a parking lot. "I guess I was daydreaming when I thought we'd just move from Mile High to Invesco and it would all be the same."

Bowlen concedes it hasn't been, although with the Broncos going 8-0 at Invesco for the first time this season and getting ready to host their first playoff game at the new stadium, Saturday night against New England, there's reason to believe things are changing.

"It's like moving into a new neighborhood," Bowlen said. "It takes you a while to get comfortable. But I think fans are getting used to it."

Comfort. It's the reason owners are willing to pay millions of dollars out of their own pockets and hold cities hostage for new stadiums.

Invesco, built for $400 million with the help of Denver taxpayers, has 132 comfortable luxury suites, which greatly increase the amount of revenue Bowlen can bring in. Meanwhile, seats in the general sections are wider, bathrooms and concession stands are more abundant and the whole experience of going to a game is more -- well -- comfortable.

Of course, cushy surroundings don't always translate into loud, raucous crowds -- a reality that a miffed John Elway pointed out last season, while the Broncos were on their way to their fourth straight season of two or more losses at their new home.

"That place ain't loud anymore," Elway told the Denver Post. "It might be too comfortable."

At Mile High, comfortable was never an issue.

Cold, steel bleachers with flimsy, plastic backrests were the rule.

Opposing teams hated going toward the "South Stands," a stand-alone section above the locker room from which snowballs, beer cups and insults were routinely hurled at visitors.

The other end was no bargain, either. That was the enclosed end of the stadium, which is where the noise really collected and became unbearable.

Meanwhile, the entire east side of the stadium was set on runways covered by 0.003 inches of water, part of a hydraulic system that allowed the stands to be moved back and forth to configure the stadium for baseball in the summer and football in the fall.

The setup produced what was called Rocky Mountain Thunder, the result of thousands of fans stomping on the steel bleachers, causing them to actually shake and sway. It was in part because of Broncos fans that the NFL put in a rule allowing road teams to essentially ignore the play clock when crowd noise made it impossible for their offenses to hear at the line.

"I always wondered if it was going to fall down," Bowlen said of the old stadium. "I could feel it in my box. It felt like the stadium was moving about six inches either way. You could just feel it swaying."

It's hard to reproduce what was essentially a design flaw, but in an attempt to assuage fans who were angry and upset about razing Mile High, the Broncos tried. They built the stands on metal risers to reproduce some of the noise. But because they were set in concrete, not on the hydraulics, there was no way the stadium could shake the same way.

"The reverb noise is nowhere near as loud as it was at Mile High, but the fans are catching on," Bowlen said.

Defensive lineman Gerard Warren agrees. He's in his first year with the Broncos, so he has nothing to compare it to. But when asked if the so-called wine-and-cheese crowds at Invesco have sounded too quiet to him this season, he laughs.

"It hurts us, man," he said. "I mean, it helps us, because the offense can't make as many checks on the line. But on the reverse side of it, sometimes I can't hear my linebackers when they're making their checks. That's how loud it is. But we want it to be as loud as possible."

As does Bowlen.

The flap he created with the stadium caused about the same emotional outpouring as his decision to dump Denver's traditional orange uniforms after the 1996 season for their more modern, blue threads with orange stripes down the side.

The next season, the Broncos won the Super Bowl.

"Nobody complained anymore," Bowlen said. "Now, everyone's knocking those uniforms off."

And if Invesco Field is noisy and the Broncos win their first playoff game there on Saturday, Bowlen figures people won't miss Mile High quite so much.

"This is obviously a big game for us, as far as going on in the playoffs," he said. "But it's also the first playoff game at Invesco Field. It's kind of historic. We want to win that one."

[footstepsfrom#27]

2 2001 and 2004 at Pittsburgh when the Steelers were 14-2 and 15-1 respectively.
Actually Pittsburgh was 13-3 the first time and you beat KORDELL STEWART...LOL...and Rothlisberger was a rookie when the Steelers lost to you last year...:thumbsup:

[errand]

It is fun. For me.

Calling you names obviously has nothing to do with whether your argument is idiotic or not...and while I don't usually like to call people I've never met morons...when they come in here and gleefully announce "I'm a professional troll"....well you got what you asked for...disrespect. If you came showing some respect you'd get it in return but don't whine like a little school girl when you beg to get hit in the mouth and somebody obliges you.

As for your argument...it's bogus. You asked for an example where Jake won it with his arm...I gave you an example where his arm accounted for our big early lead AFTER we weren't going anywhere on the ground. I can't help it if nobody holds our running game to 40 yards. Searching for a crap running game...and going back to his Arizona days, Jake beat the Giants on October 10, 1999 in a game where the Cardinals rushed 27 times for 28 yards...a sterling 1.1 ypc avg. Plummer threw for 175 and ran for a TD and passed for another with no interceptions. He beat them again on Nov. 28 when he threw for 2 TD's with no INT's and the Cards gained 69 yards on 34 carries for an eye popping 2.0 ypc...and he beat Philly and outdueled Donovan McNabb the next week, Dec 5, 1999 when he ran for 1 TD, passed for another and his running game exploded for a shocking 54 yards/19 carries/2.8 ypc...and Jake got 22 of those himself.

Good enough?

They don't call him the "answer man" for nothing folks......

[Hulamau]

2 2001 and 2004 at Pittsburgh when the Steelers were 14-2 and 15-1 respectively.

Both good wins, but that s against the Stelelers who are known choke artist in the playoffs at home. The Steelers are one of those odd teams that typically plays much better on the road. We knocked them off in their stadium as well on our '97 SB run when they were heavily favored.

Coyer is not in the same league with either Shanahan or Belichek when calling playoff ball.

[Minuteman]

Miami and San Diego have 350 pound NT's...which as I posted somewhere else, is the one thing Denver's running game struggles with...MASSIVE interior linemen.

You don't have one of those...do ya?:wiggle:

I KNEW Wilfork shouldn't have gone on that diet!!! Still he's a load and has learned not to get himself out of position since these teams last met.

Of course you wouldn't exaggerate, seeing as neither Traylor nor Williams officially crack 350. That's ok. You need to convince yourself of something.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I KNEW Wilfork shouldn't have gone on that diet!!! Still he's a load and has learned not to get himself out of position since these teams last met.

Of course you wouldn't exaggerate, seeing as neither Traylor nor Williams officially crack 350. That's ok. You need to convince yourself of something.
Yeah...I think Williams is 348...sue me. Don't know if you've ever seen Keith Traylor close up...but he passed 350 a while ago...LOL...

[VileTom]

By the way how many ofthose ten-0 playoff victories we on the road ( not including supposedly neutral Super Bowls in which the PAts have always been the fan and media favorites) ?

MAybe one or two tops, but it might be zero too, I havent checked the stats, but I recollect them winning these games at home. Does anyone have that figure?

How many NE playoff wins on the road the past 4 years?

Come on Pats fans, fill us in on the number please :-)!


The breakdown is 5-0 @ home 3-0 @ the Super Bowl and 2-0 on the road. They beat a 13-3 Steelers team in 2001 as 10 point underdogs and beat last years 15-1 Steelers in the AFCCG. The Patriots were slight favorites in that game despite losing very badly in Pittsburgh earlier in the season.


As for the Super Bowls the crowds at the first 2 were mostly for the Patriots but Eagles fans had to make up 75% of the crowd last year. Their fans were taking out home loans and selling their children into slavery to go. OK only half of that's true. Nobody would buy the child of an Eagles fan.

[Minuteman]

Actually Pittsburgh was 13-3 the first time and you beat KORDELL STEWART...LOL...and Rothlisberger was a rookie when the Steelers lost to you last year...:thumbsup:

No wonder the patriots won those games...they were only playing against ONE GUY!

[Twidget]

The questions will all be answered after this weekend.

Post Season Records:
Pats 1-0
Donkos 0-0

Seems clear to me. Donkeys rested and way too confident. Just like when they lost their first game in the playoffs last time.

Post Season Records after this weekend:
Pats 2-0
Donkos 0-1

[VileTom]

Yeah...I think Williams is 348...sue me. Don't know if you've ever seen Keith Traylor close up...but he passed 350 a while ago...LOL...


Traylor was on the Patriots last year and split time with Wilfork. I trust the weight figures as much as I trust the injury report.

[footstepsfrom#27]

They don't call him the "answer man" for nothing folks......
Here's an answer:

Jake Plummer owns 28 career game-winning or game-tying scoring drives in the fourth quarter or overtime, 19 of which are "pure" comeback victories that comprise the highest total of any QB since 1995. With a 32-11 record as a starter, his 74.4 winning percentage is among the highest in the NFL. At his current pace Plummer has an outside chance to catch John Elway with the most come from behind wins in NFL history.

[Bronx33]

The questions will all be answered after this weekend.

Post Season Records:
Pats 1-0
Donkos 0-0

Seems clear to me. Donkeys rested and way too confident. Just like when they lost their first game in the playoffs last time.

Post Season Records after this weekend:
Pats 2-0
Donkos 0-1


You be sure to come back sunday...

[footstepsfrom#27]

No wonder the patriots won those games...they were only playing against ONE GUY!
I think we can all agree that Stewart is a wide receiver who can't catch...otherwise he'd have been running pass routes.

[Old Dude]

Seems clear to me. Donkeys rested and way too confident. Just like when they lost their first game in the playoffs last time.
...


If you think the Broncos were overconfident going to Indy to play the Colts last year, you are simply an idiot.

[Twidget]

You be sure to come back sunday...


Can't do that, no computer at home. Gave it away. You'll have to wait until monday for me to see you crying.

[sonsofkraftybob]

Can't do that, no computer at home. Gave it away. You'll have to wait until monday for me to see you crying.

yeah, I have meaning to thank you for my computer!!!!

[BroncoFanDoug]

BTW, you know that Belichick is 18-3 when facing an opponent for the 2nd time in a season don't you? 6-0 after a loss.

Good luck. You guys need it.

Let's see, when does someone usually face someone twice in the same season? Hmmm, could it be divisional foes?

And what team faces the 2nd weakest divisional foes? Hmm, could it be New England?

And what is the mostly likely scenario for going 6-0 the 2nd time after a loss? Hmmm, could it be losing to one of those crummy teams on the road and then beating them later at home? Or playing on the road in the regular season and at home in the playoffs?


VERY impressive stats! I know that I now have no hope of even staying close with the Pats.

[sonsofkraftybob]

Let's see, when does someone usually face someone twice in the same season? Hmmm, could it be divisional foes?

And what team faces the 2nd weakest divisional foes? Hmm, could it be New England?

And what is the mostly likely scenario for going 6-0 the 2nd time after a loss? Hmmm, could it be losing to one of those crummy teams on the road and then beating them later at home? Or playing on the road in the regular season and at home in the playoffs?


VERY impressive stats! I know that I now have no hope of even staying close with the Pats.

It's since 2001. The AFC east has been bad THIS year. Not every year.

[IlliterateGeeneus]

Asking for examples of when Plummer has carried the team when the running game is shut down is kind of like asking for examples of when Brady carried the team when the defense gave up 50 points... Neither happen very often. To find examples of Plummer carrying the team, you only have to look at his "worst" year.

September 26, 2004

Running: 21 att for 37 yds
Passing: 25/36 for 294 yds

Score: Broncos 23 - Chargers - 13

[sonsofkraftybob]

Asking for examples of when Plummer has carried the team when the running game is shut down is kind of like asking for examples of when Brady carried the team when the defense gave up 50 points... Neither happen very often. To find examples of Plummer carrying the team, you only have to look at his "worst" year.

September 26, 2004

Running: 21 att for 37 yds
Passing: 25/36 for 294 yds

Score: Broncos 23 - Chargers - 13

Why thank you. That was what I was asking for. 37 yards a game is terrible. 178 is great.

I really don't even remember why it was relevant but thanks anyways.

[Hotrod]

I really don't even remember why it was relevant but thanks anyways.

LOL well now that this is settled Ha!

[BroncoFanDoug]

It's since 2001. The AFC east has been bad THIS year. Not every year.

This doesn't change the basic premise - the stats you are using are driven by your play in the division, your general dominance in that division, and that it is common to split in divisions home/away.

You want us to believe that there is some magic by bellycheck around playing people twice in a season that should cause us to cower. I am saying it really only indicates that you have dominated a mediocre (as in middling) division for the last 4 years and says nothing else. THIS is the point you are unable to respond to.

And by the way, your math is wrong. In 2001 to 2005 you have played 32 games in the division (and of course you played each of them twice). You have them playing 21 games - this would mean that this is looking at 3 years max.

[Broncoman13]

This doesn't change the basic premise - the stats you are using are driven by your play in the division, your general dominance in that division, and that it is common to split in divisions home/away.

You want us to believe that there is some magic by bellycheck around playing people twice in a season that should cause us to cower. I am saying it really only indicates that you have dominated a mediocre (as in middling) division for the last 4 years and says nothing else. THIS is the point you are unable to respond to.

And by the way, your math is wrong. In 2001 to 2005 you have played 32 games in the division (and of course you played each of them twice). You have them playing 21 games - this would mean that this is looking at 3 years max.


I don't know where either of you are getting your numbers??? 2001-2005 is 5 years worth of games. 6 divisional games per year. 5 x 6 = 30.

[BroncoFanDoug]

I don't know where either of you are getting your numbers??? 2001-2005 is 5 years worth of games. 6 divisional games per year. 5 x 6 = 30.

In 2001 you had 5 teams in your division. Got ya!

[BroncoFanDoug]

I don't know where either of you are getting your numbers??? 2001-2005 is 5 years worth of games. 6 divisional games per year. 5 x 6 = 30.

By the way, through all this you have avoided responding to my base comments - your use of those stats was meaningless, and your math is really bad...

[BroncoFanDoug]

By the way, through all this you have avoided responding to my base comments - your use of those stats was meaningless, and your math is really bad...


Opps - Oskie, this was meant for Krafty!!!

[Crowpointer]

Actually Pittsburgh was 13-3 the first time and you beat KORDELL STEWART...LOL...and Rothlisberger was a rookie when the Steelers lost to you last year...:thumbsup:
It was also the AFC championship game, I was making Super Bowl reservations, you were sitting at home.

[footstepsfrom#27]

It was also the AFC championship game, I was making Super Bowl reservations, you were sitting at home.
Actually I was lying on a nice beach in Costa Rica...;D

[BroncoFanDoug]

krafty, where are you? I provided a clear analytical response to your premise that we should be shaking in our boots about your record when you play 2 teams in a year, I provided serious questions about your own counting skills, and you have gone SOOOO quiet!

Are your patsies going to lay down like this??

[BroncoBuff]

Anton Palepoi
2005 Arizona Cardinals
3 Games
0 Tackles, blocks, deflects, assists, sackes, or contributions.

Trevor Pryce
2005 Denver Broncos
16 Games
33 Total
31 Tackles
2 Assists
4 Sacks
3 Pass Deflections


*SIGH*
Okay, Charlie Brown - excellent comeback.

I wasn't actually serious, you know. I just have visions of Brady back there trimming his fingernails waiting for guys to get open ....

(Besides, I think Palepoi had 3 or 4 sacks for us in just 10 games last year...)

[RMT]

Okay, Charlie Brown - excellent comeback.

I wasn't actually serious, you know. I just have visions of Brady back there trimming his fingernails waiting for guys to get open ....

(Besides, I think Palepoi had 3 or 4 sacks for us in just 10 games last year...)

Who are you cheering for? I know it's probably wise to be pragmatic, but ...

[sonsofkraftybob]

krafty, where are you? I provided a clear analytical response to your premise that we should be shaking in our boots about your record when you play 2 teams in a year, I provided serious questions about your own counting skills, and you have gone SOOOO quiet!

Are your patsies going to lay down like this??

Whats up Doug? Told ya we would be back here for a win or go home game.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=32099

Seeing as how I predicted that...I also see a shiney football...on top of a shiney pedestal...and the #4 repeated over and over...with the golden child, the one they call the RING BEARER holding the bling.

As for the stats....I have noticed that there are a ish load of stats both ways that are all pretty good. Since 2001 Belichick is 6-0 facing a team he lost to earlier in the season.

BTW, I heard Shanny is 6-0 in games on the second Saturday of odd numbered month when the sun is in Arquarious.

Later dude..nice seeing ya around.

[BroncoFanDoug]

Whats up Doug? Told ya we would be back here for a win or go home game.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=32099

Seeing as how I predicted that...I also see a shiney football...on top of a shiney pedestal...and the #4 repeated over and over...with the golden child, the one they call the RING BEARER holding the bling.

As for the stats....I have noticed that there are a ish load of stats both ways that are all pretty good. Since 2001 Belichick is 6-0 facing a team he lost to earlier in the season.

BTW, I heard Shanny is 6-0 in games on the second Saturday of odd numbered month when the sun is in Arquarious.

Later dude..nice seeing ya around.

Krafty!! you STILL didn't respond to my comments! You made a BFD about your record when you played teams twice in a year, I showed that first your numbers had to be wrong (was it since 2001? 2002? what was it krafty!) and that your logic was stupid 'cause basically you were looking at your record in your division!

YOU STILL HAVE NOT RESPONDED TO THAT - because you can't. If you think your response above has ANYTHING to do with it I am all ears (er. eyes).

[sonsofkraftybob]

Krafty!! you STILL didn't respond to my comments! You made a BFD about your record when you played teams twice in a year, I showed that first your numbers had to be wrong (was it since 2001? 2002? what was it krafty!) and that your logic was stupid 'cause basically you were looking at your record in your division!

YOU STILL HAVE NOT RESPONDED TO THAT - because you can't. If you think your response above has ANYTHING to do with it I am all ears (er. eyes).


Here you go for one off the top of my head. Pittsburgh beat us on Halloween last year. We beat them in the playoffs last year. We aren't in the same division.

Now what?

[sonsofkraftybob]

Thought so.

I am going to bed.

[BroncoFanDoug]

Here you go for one off the top of my head. Pittsburgh beat us on Halloween last year. We beat them in the playoffs last year. We aren't in the same division.

Now what?

Soooo, instead of your 18 -3 record to confirm your logic, you are down to 1 -0. I even mentioned in my response that there was probably a playoff victory involved.

You have truly shown yourself unable to defend your positions.

Remember? we are 18 - 3 in games we play the same team twice!!! You have no chance!

[Bronx33]

Stay tuned folks for kraftybob will put in another 10 hr shift tomorrow to work the 1-0 angle and isn't it ironic his name is bob. (go figure)

[BroncoFanDoug]

Thought so.

I am going to bed.

Run and hide!! Let's see - according to the log you gave me 4 minutes to respond before running off to bed. I have been waiting for a (real) response to my original response to your analysis for about 7 hours.

Just so you don't forget...

Quote krafty:
Originally Posted by sonsofkraftybobBTW, you know that Belichick is 18-3 when facing an opponent for the 2nd time in a season don't you? 6-0 after a loss.

Good luck. You guys need it.

BroncoFanDoug's original response:

Let's see, when does someone usually face someone twice in the same season? Hmmm, could it be divisional foes?

And what team faces the 2nd weakest divisional foes? Hmm, could it be New England?

And what is the mostly likely scenario for going 6-0 the 2nd time after a loss? Hmmm, could it be losing to one of those crummy teams on the road and then beating them later at home? Or playing on the road in the regular season and at home in the playoffs?


VERY impressive stats! I know that I now have no hope of even staying close with the Pats.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ha ha ha!

Can you say "owned?"

:D

[footstepsfrom#27]

bob spelled backwards is dod

Now I know it's time to go to bed...LOL

[C.J.]

Thought so.

I am going to bed.

Any chance you can stay there? I'd appreciate it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It's going to make me chuckle when all these patriots trolls camping out on the Mane fold up their tents and go home Saturday night.

:D

[24champ]

It's going to make me chuckle when all these patriots trolls camping out on the Mane fold up their tents and go home Saturday night.

:D
yeah complimentary tissue boxes for the trolls on their way out too!;D

[Odysseus]

Okay, Charlie Brown - excellent comeback.

I wasn't actually serious, you know. I just have visions of Brady back there trimming his fingernails waiting for guys to get open ....

(Besides, I think Palepoi had 3 or 4 sacks for us in just 10 games last year...)

Last year McNabb, Culpepper and Carson Palmer were uninjured Quarterbacks.

Engelberger is better than Palepoi and he is on the bench. Myers is better than Palepoi and he's already in the rotation.

I'm not trying to bag on you Buff. This is just going all wrong.

[BroncoBuff]

Last year McNabb, Culpepper and Carson Palmer were uninjured Quarterbacks.

Engelberger is better than Palepoi and he is on the bench. Myers is better than Palepoi and he's already in the rotation.

I'm not trying to bag on you Buff. This is just going all wrong.
OK - OK - I wasn't serious you know, I'm just worried about our crummy pass rush.

I'm even more worried that this board has turned out to be a cheerleader-fest instead of a serious discussion forum.

[24champ]

OK - OK - I wasn't serious you know, I'm just worried about our crummy pass rush.

I'm even more worried that this board has turned out to be a cheerleader-fest instead of a serious discussion forum.
is there ANYTHING you're not worried about?

[watermock]

http://www.posterunlimited.com/imagebase/WIL/jpgs/6264.jpg

I thought this was pretty cool. 44 bucks for the print tho. I sure like it tho.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.posterunlimited.com/imagebase/WIL/jpgs/6264.jpg&imgrefurl=http://store.posterunlimited.com/wil6264.html&h=400&w=298&sz=11&tbnid=Prb_0TRto9QJ:&tbnh=120&tbnw=89&hl=en&start=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3DWhite%2BKnight%26start%3D140%26svnum% 3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

Doesn't that just get your blood pumpin?

[errand]

Who are you cheering for? I know it's probably wise to be pragmatic, but ...

I told ya before, BroncoBuff is like any leading Dem in congress talking about the troops in Iraq...."I support the troops, but....(fill in whatever reference to Pol Pot, gulag, Nazi's, murderers you like)"

[BroncoBuff]

is there ANYTHING you're not worried about?
No!

Why ... should there be?

[errand]

Since 2001 Belichick is 6-0 facing a team he lost to earlier in the season.







...and the Broncos are 8-0 @ home in the post-seasonagainst teams they had played (win or loss) in the regular season that year. And Mike has never lost an NFL game on Saturday as a head coach.

.....Mike coaches the Denver Broncos, and the game is being played in Denver.....on Saturday.

[Twidget]

yeah, I have meaning to thank you for my computer!!!!

If you were the one I gave it to you wouldn't be posting here, I can guarantee that.

[SteveTensi13]

No!

Why ... should there be?

Hilarious! Ha!

[Broncoman13]

Opps - Oskie, this was meant for Krafty!!!


No prob brah... SOB is a dip shiit! I think you're fighting w/a 10 year old that can only echo some opinion he hears at the PatsPlanet!

[Dukes]

...and the Broncos are 8-0 @ home in the post-seasonagainst teams they had played (win or loss) in the regular season that year. And Mike has never lost an NFL game on Saturday as a head coach.

.....Mike coaches the Denver Broncos, and the game is being played in Denver.....on Saturday.

I didn't know that. That's good news. !Booya!

[Elway 4 Life]

The Budweiser hot seat had Tony Gonzales on it this morning and he picked the broncos to win the superbowl. I was kind of shocked.

[Mile High Shack]

more comedic gold from Mike and Mike as I turned it on for 20 seconds as I was brushing my teeth this morning

They ranked Holmgren lower in the coaching ranks of the 8 coaches left b/c he "lost to a much worse team in 1997"

[footstepsfrom#27]

...and the Broncos are 8-0 @ home in the post-seasonagainst teams they had played (win or loss) in the regular season that year. And Mike has never lost an NFL game on Saturday as a head coach.

.....Mike coaches the Denver Broncos, and the game is being played in Denver.....on Saturday.
Denver is 10-7 all time in the post season against teams they played that year....under Shanny they're 3-2...The Patsies are also 10-7 lifetime and 4-0 under Belichick

None of which means jack.

[Hotrod]

OK - OK - I wasn't serious you know, I'm just worried about our crummy pass rush.

I'm even more worried that this board has turned out to be a cheerleader-fest instead of a serious discussion forum.

Come on Buff it is after all a Bronco board and a fan base who has not seen a home playoff game in years why should they not be excited? Add on yes the Pats are good but damn it so are the Broncos this year. The Pats are a threat I dont see many people here actually saying they are not but on the other hand they are NOT playing like they were in the last few years period. The game is at home thats really the key. If it was in their house I think you would see more oh crap threads.

[Hotrod]

more comedic gold from Mike and Mike as I turned it on for 20 seconds as I was brushing my teeth this morning

They ranked Holmgren lower in the coaching ranks of the 8 coaches left b/c he "lost to a much worse team in 1997"

LOL those guys just flat out suck. Is that "much worse team in 97" the same one that one back to back SB's. Those two get Hotrods vote for mental midget duet of the year.

[sonsofkraftybob]

OK - OK - I wasn't serious you know, I'm just worried about our crummy pass rush.

I'm even more worried that this board has turned out to be a cheerleader-fest instead of a serious discussion forum.

Man you sing a different tune here than at the pats planet huh? Like night and day.

[Twidget]

The Budweiser hot seat had Tony Gonzales on it this morning and he picked the broncos to win the superbowl. I was kind of shocked.

These Budwiser girls should know better (they are probably old enough to be yo mama).

[Elway 4 Life]

These Budwiser girls should know better (they are probably old enough to be yo mama).

The patriot cheerleaders dont look so good in green!ugh!~

[BroncoBuff]

Man you sing a different tune here than at the pats planet huh? Like night and day.
I don't think so. How do you mean?

[Archie]

I dont really know who is knocking ole Tom Terrific, and it really doesnt matter as that is not what concerns me about your post.

Its about Jake of last year. You claim you are "thinking more about him last year when he threw 20 INTs." then go on to compare him to a lesser version of Favre.

Well, 7 of his passes last year were from hail mary's and tipped balls off receivers hands. Bad luck and desperation do not make a bad quarterback or mean that he had a bad year. With a few Bronco faithful who were off the Jake bandwagon for a year, most of us realized this while the rest of the media looked at the stat sheet and said "Wow, 20 picks, he sucks". Minus trying to win games in desperation attempts and stupid brick handed receivers, Jake had a 27/13 TD to Int ratio last year. Not bad. This year, he has 7 picks and should have had about 13 or so. No tipped ones and save for the Miami game (hail mary to try to tie or something) there have not been any need for desperation end of game attempts at the end zone.

Ultimately I think Jake has played about the same but the team around him has played so much better.

Great post...

[Archie]

These Budwiser girls should know better (they are probably old enough to be yo mama).

Where are those frog tongue's going?

[Bronx33]

http://favewavs.com/wavs/movies/thunder.wav

[sonsofkraftybob]

I don't think so. How do you mean?

Well you are extremely confident over there.....but here you post like a realist.

[Old Dude]

Well, I saw the downtown noontime rally, and I have to say I wasn't too impressed.

Those who were in it were certainly very enthusiastic. Kudos to them. But most of the locals were just standing around scratching their butts.

It's gonna have to get a lot better, people.

[REB]

That place better be Rockin' tomorrow nt.

1-2-3 :Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge: :patslose: :smashpats

[BroncoBuff]

Well you are extremely confident over there.....but here you post like a realist.
No ... it just seems like "confidence" over there, because over there everbody's picking NE and so am I. My prediction WAS 31-20 NE ...

but now, after I saw a thread breaking down Pats and Brady on the road, especially in the playoffs, and thinking about the extra week, and once I started appreciating the fullness of the emotion of the first playoff game @ Invesco, etc... I now think Denver's gonna win.

We've had 1 night game this year - vs. KC @ Invesco, and it was LOUD - I'm figuring the same thing Saturday. Plus, our pass rush showed up that night (although both KC OTs were out). It's just falling into place nicely for us I think.