anybody worried about facing the patriots?...M

[Doufer]

Looks like they're back!! I'm really concerned bout Denver running game against NE 7 front ends.

[OrangeShadow]

honestly yeah a little. but its at home itd be the first home playoff game in the new stadium(assuming its the divisional game) i think thatd play a huge factor

[Spider]

««««« Not worried at all .... We can run the ball on these guys ,nothing tonight has shown me we cant ..........

[Northman]

Nope. It would be a close matchup again but at home Denver would beat NE.

[Florida_Bronco]

Beat em once...we can do it again.

[Bronx33]

««««« Not worried at all .... We can run the ball on these guys ,nothing tonight has shown me we cant ..........


Ya the jags are making em look good with bone head plays...

[Ratboy]

I'm not worried about anyone.

Broncos are the best team in the AFC.

[Jason in LA]

I'm not worried about any team next week. Those teams need to worry about the Broncos. The game will be in Mile High. Advantage: Broncos!!! It doesn't really matter who comes to town. It will be a team that the Broncos are better than. Let them worry about us, not the other way around.

[Northman]

Dont get too wrapped up in New England's victory tonight. The Jags schedule after the bye week this year was like playing against a paper cup.

http://sports-att.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/schedule?team=jac

[Doufer]

i hope the bengals win tomorrow so the colts could take care of the patriots.

[Ratboy]

Jake Plummer is the greatest QB to ever grace this earth. Ha!


.. No really, He is.

[Northman]

i hope the bengals win tomorrow so the colts could take care of the patriots.


Uh, you really are a doofus arent you? Denver would want the Pats to WIN so we can host the AFC Championship game. We matchup a hell of a lot better against NE than we do against the Colts.

[Northman]

Jake Plummer is the greatest QB to ever grace this earth. Ha!


.. No really, He is.


Nice avatar Ratboy, but.....they are LOSERS, losers, losers, losers. :thumbsup:

[Spider]

Ya the jags are making em look good with bone head plays...
yep .....

[Rock Chalk]

New England at Denver would make a hell of a AFC Championship game.

As it is, another bump on the road to the Superbowl.

[-Slap-]

I'm worried that Jerry Rice won't make the finals of Dancing With The Stars. Its part of the anti-Bronco conspiracy.

[Ratboy]

Nice avatar Ratboy, but.....they are LOSERS, losers, losers, losers. :thumbsup:

Yeah they are, i dont even like USC.

But I like what i've seen from LenDale White. If he comes out i would love to see Shanahan spend a first for him.

[Spider]

i hope the bengals win tomorrow so the colts could take care of the patriots.
wont happen.......

[Spider]

Steelers are the real threat ........

[Northman]

Yeah they are, i dont even like USC.

But I like what i've seen from LenDale White. If he comes out i would love to see Shanahan spend a first for him.


Why? we have Tatum? unless we trade Tatum for something. I would think that Lendale would be starter material. I mean, i wouldnt mind the pick but we already have a good crop of runners.

[Kaylore]

Dont get too wrapped up in New England's victory tonight. The Jags schedule after the bye week this year was like playing against a paper cup.

http://sports-att.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/schedule?team=jac Completely agree. The Jags have never been tested. I think they would have gone 9-7 if they played our schedule. They've been able to beat only two teams with a winning record this season:

Seattle - Who almost lost to the niners.

and The Bengals - Who are young and lost in a nail biter.

They are one of the weaker teams against the run and don't really have a potent offense. In fact their offense is still looking for an identity. I think Garrard would have been a better fit, but I don't think the ultimate outcome would have mattered anyway. The Jags have a lot going for them, but I this next season or the season after will be "their" time to try and step up.

[Ratboy]

Why? we have Tatum? unless we trade Tatum for something. I would think that Lendale would be starter material. I mean, i wouldnt mind the pick but we already have a good crop of runners.

Mike isn't getting any younger and Tatum has yet got a shot to take the full load. I don't know if thats because he can't handle it or Because we have Anderson to take most of it.

[watermock]

Asking for gifts in the playoffs is a tall order. Of course an Indy loss would be huge, but we need to win first. Doesn't matter who. An upset of Indy after we would drop the game would make me ill.

[Northman]

Mike isn't getting any younger and Tatum has yet got a shot to take the full load. I don't know if thats because he can't handle it or Because we have Anderson to take most of it.


Well, i guess also he isnt too durable yet either so maybe taking White would be a option. Hopefully he will fly under the radar but not likely.

[Northman]

Asking for gifts in the playoffs is a tall order. Of course an Indy loss would be huge, but we need to win first. Doesn't matter who. An upset of Indy after we would drop the game would make me ill.


Oh, im not overlooking the work we got to do but i would still love to have the AFCC game in Denver rather that Indy.

[Gcver2ver3]

Some people say they don't worry about any opponent...

i'm on the other side...i worry about every opponent...but only a little..

all the teams in the (afc) playoffs are capable of beating anyone...we are capable of beating anyone....

the difference is who executes.....regardless of who we play between the pats or the bengals...we need to execute...if we do that we'll win...

if we don't we'll lose...

[The Big E]

I worry about all teams, but still believe we can beat any of 'em. I'd prefer to play Cinci and then NE. Two home games on our way to beating the crap out of Seattle in SB four oh.

[-Slap-]

I worry about all teams, but still believe we can beat any of 'em. I'd prefer to play Cinci and then NE. Two home games on our way to beating the crap out of Seattle in SB four oh.
We already beat down Holmgren. Lets beat the Bears this time.

[Clockwork Orange]

Of course not. Why would you worry about a team that's won 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls and has a QB who's 10-0 as a starter in the playoffs. What's to worry about?

[CBF1]

I think tht Cincinnati beats Pittsburgh tomorrow and we host them the next weekend.

[-Slap-]

http://www.popcultmag.com/obsessions/profilesingreatness/mad/alfred.jpg

[TheManeMan]

Lets go BenGALS!!!!!!!!

[RMT]

The Jags were overrated coming in. I would have started Garrard over Leftwich. The Jags looked lost all night long.

[Sgt Sauce]

Do any of you think John Madden has dreams of double teaming Brett Favre and Tom Brady?

[PatsWin2002]

Do any of you think John Madden has dreams of double teaming Brett Favre and Tom Brady?

Most definitely.

[Florida_Bronco]

Do any of you think John Madden has dreams of double teaming Brett Favre and Tom Brady?

It's common knowledge that is his fantasy.

[24champ]

Of course not. Why would you worry about a team that's won 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls and has a QB who's 10-0 as a starter in the playoffs. What's to worry about?
Nothing since we havent lost at home this year, bring those fuggers on.;D

[Sgt Sauce]

I just cracked my back and had a flashback.. crazy!!

[Sgt Sauce]

still seeing stars...

[Hulamau]

I'd much rather play Cincy here first and let NE knock off Indy so we get NE for the AFC game here as Alex mentioned.

That would be the best of all worlds and I'd like to face NE after they had to go to Indy and get beat up some more and after we have won our first playoff game against the Bengals and gotten that monkey off our back and the added confidence that will bring to Jake and the whole team.

Fact is, we beat NE here when they were much more beat up than they are now, and fact is they have the best QB in the playoffs who is 10-0 as a starter in said playoffs which is nothing to sneeze at.

We can definitely beat NE, but we will have to play a near flawless game to do so. We can't count on getting another 260yrd, 3 score 2nd qrter like we had in the fall, and even then if the game had gone another 5 minutes we may well have lost after going to sleep and allowing them to storm back in the second half.

We cant have the rash of offensive false start as our D-lineman jumping off sides that we've had against the chump teams we've played recently and expect to win.

And Plummer is going to have to be totally on target both short and long.

But hey this is the playoffs and all that should be taken care of and the boys should come away with a great victory, particularly with the 12th man at Invesco bringing a fever pitch of confusion to the NE huddle.

When was the last time NE won a playoff game on the road, I'm sure they have I just cant remember when?

Another positive note, if we do beat NE we should have all the momentum in the world to make it to Detroit.

Anybody thinking NE is gonna be a cake walk though maybe letting pregame bravado get the upperhand on reality.

I jsut feel we are likely to be a little tight for this first game after the layoff and with all the pressure to win that first playoff game in 7 years since Elways left etc, etc ... and I think the team is likely to be more loose against a team that hasnt dominated the playoffs for the last several years.

If we drop behind NE or if its tied in the 3rd quarter that wouldnt be the best situation for our younger guys getting their playoff feet wet.

[Clockwork Orange]

When was the last time NE won a playoff game on the road, I'm sure they have I just cant remember when?

Last years AFC Championship game in Pittsburgh.

[gunns]

i hope the bengals win tomorrow so the colts could take care of the patriots.

Not me, I want the Pats, to beat them and shut the media up.

[RMT]

I'd much rather play Cincy here first and let NE knock off Indy so we get NE for the AFC game here as Alex mentioned.

That would be the best of all worlds and I'd like to face NE after they had to go to Indy and get beat up some more and after we have won our first playoff game against the Bengals and gotten that monkey off our back and the added confidence that will bring to Jake and the whole team.

Fact is, we beat NE here when they were much more beat up than they are now, and fact is they have the best QB in the playoffs who is 10-0 as a starter in said playoffs which is nothing to sneeze at.

We can definitely beat NE, but we will have to play a near flawless game to do so. We can't count on getting another 260yrd, 3 score 2nd qrter like we had in the fall, and even then if the game had gone another 5 minutes we may well have lost after going to sleep and allowing them to storm back in the second half.

We cant have the rash of offensive false start as our D-lineman jumping off sides that we've had against the chump teams we've played recently and expect to win.

And Plummer is going to have to be totally on target both short and long.

But hey this is the playoffs and all that should be taken care of and the boys should come away with a great victory, particularly with the 12th man at Invesco bringing a fever pitch of confusion to the NE huddle.

When was the last time NE won a playoff game on the road, I'm sure they have I just cant remember when?

Another positive note, if we do beat NE we should have all the momentum in the world to make it to Detroit.

Anybody thinking NE is gonna be a cake walk though maybe letting pregame bravado get the upperhand on reality.

I jsut feel we are likely to be a little tight for this first game after the layoff and with all the pressure to win that first playoff game in 7 years since Elways left etc, etc ... and I think the team is likely to be more loose against a team that hasnt dominated the playoffs for the last several years.

If we drop behind NE or if its tied in the 3rd quarter that wouldnt be the best situation for our younger guys getting their playoff feet wet.

I don't know that the Broncos will be "a little tight." While we do have some rookies playing some significant minutes, we are also balanced by a veteran group that is hungry. Plus, even though we're the #2 seed, I feel there would be more pressure on the Patriots. They are the "defending champs" and the Broncos have nothing to lose.

I seriously doubt any of the Broncos want to be part of the first team to lose a playoff game at HOME in the new stadium. The team will be ready and the fans will be taking the noise to a higher (decibel) level.

[SoCalBronco]

We will be fine no matter who we draw.

[Spider]

I didnt know so many people game planned for the Broncos .........

[Pezman]

I'm more worried about Doufer's ability to start new threads

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

http://www.popcultmag.com/obsessions/profilesingreatness/mad/alfred.jpg

Phil Simms

[sirhcyennek81]

We play who we play. Worrying about it wont help. If we want to be the champs, have to beat the Champs. Its like 1997 all over again.

:Broncos:

[DomCasual]

I'm worried that Jerry Rice won't make the finals of Dancing With The Stars. Its part of the anti-Bronco conspiracy.
I'm tired of the Broncos getting no respect. If he doesn't make it, it will just go to prove the point.

I really think this team should rally around this. Do you want to tell me that Al Wilson and Rod Smith haven't jumped all over this? This should turn into the "Avenge Jerry Rice's 'Dancing with the Stars' loser tour!"

I think we need a sticker for the back of the helmets, and maybe a patch for the jersey.

[Hulamau]

I don't know that the Broncos will be "a little tight." While we do have some rookies playing some significant minutes, we are also balanced by a veteran group that is hungry. Plus, even though we're the #2 seed, I feel there would be more pressure on the Patriots. They are the "defending champs" and the Broncos have nothing to lose.

I seriously doubt any of the Broncos want to be part of the first team to lose a playoff game at HOME in the new stadium. The team will be ready and the fans will be taking the noise to a higher (decibel) level.


Your quote highlights my point precisely! No Bronco wants to be part of losing a home playoff game so the odds are they will be a little tighter in the first game until that monkey is off their back thus it would be preferable to play a more seasoned team like NE at home in the AFC championship game AFTER we have won the first playoff game at home in the post Elway era and the first at Invesco.

I have no doubt they will be 'ready' to play, but I also would rather play Cincy than NE in the first game for precisely the above reasons.

Plus, I think NE has a better chance of beating Indy than the Steelers and the second part of the most likely equation for our Super Bowl victory is to play both playoff games at Invesco.

[sirhcyennek81]

Pressure is on whoever comes into Denver. They have to beat the team, and the fans. Whoever comes here next week will leave with their ass handed to them.

:Broncos:

[RMT]

Pressure is on whoever comes into Denver. They have to beat the team, and the fans. Whoever comes here next week will leave with their ass handed to them.

:Broncos:

I agree ... plus, not only is the bye week good for the players, but I'd put my money on Shanahan 99 times out of 100 if he's given TWO weeks to gameplan for an opponent. His record against teams following a bye week is something like 11-2.

[sirhcyennek81]

Gameplan for NE is already there, tweak it a bit, there you go. Bengals would be a good warm up for INDI. If indi gets that far.

:Broncos:

[Kaylore]

I agree ... plus, not only is the bye week good for the players, but I'd put my money on Shanahan 99 times out of 100 if he's given TWO weeks to gameplan for an opponent. His record against teams following a bye week is something like 11-2.
Yes. Shanahan does very well when he has an extra week to prepare.

[Sassy]

...and now he can throw out the gameplan for the Jags...;D

[SAGE]

I'm not worried about anyone.

Broncos are the best team in the AFC.


And the NFC too.............



I want the Broncos to play the Pats next week.............
and then the Colts the week after, so we can finally shut up the

Plummer/Shanahan/Tatum/Champ/Lynch/ BRONCO doubters...........

Why take the easy road? F That.........

[broncofan]

I'm not afraid of any team (obviously, speaking from a fan's perspective), but if I had my way, Cincy would win tommarow sending NE to Indy. Whatever happens, happens though. :Broncos:

[Casper Bronco]

I hope we want the Patriots and I hope we get them. I want the media to kiss their ass' this whole week. I hope we put Brady in the dirt every time he touches the ball. I hate the OVERRATED Patriots!!!

[sirhcyennek81]

**** the patriots, ****ing pussy bastards. **** those bitch ass colts, too, and for a good measure, bengals can get ****ed sideways by a pinetree. mother****ers.

:Broncos:

[listopencil]

I want the Pats to go to Indy and the Bengals to come to us.

[sirhcyennek81]

I feel much better now...*twitch...

:Broncos:

[PatsWin2002]

Boo!

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/images/smilies/Patslogo26.GIF

[sirhcyennek81]

Boo!

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/images/smilies/Patslogo26.GIF

Feeling disrespected? ;)

:Broncos:

[Bronco Billy]

I hope we get CIncy. We haven't ran the ball as well against the 3-4 this year. Though, I think we should still beat the Pats. Plus, it would be great if NE could knock off Indy and bring the AFC Championship to Denver.

The AFC Championship will be this year's "Super Bowl" since it will feature the two best teams in the league. I don't see the NFC beating whoever makes it out of the AFC.

[PatsWin2002]

Feeling disrespected? ;)

:Broncos:

It comes with the territory. :)

[PatsWin2002]

The AFC Championship will be this year's "Super Bowl" since it will feature the two best teams in the league. I don't see the NFC beating whoever makes it out of the AFC.

That's been true for a while now.......no doubt Indy feels the greatest urgency this year. They got the tailor-made schedule, no injuries, home field all the way to the carpet in MoTown....Denver and NE are the main obstacles in their way.

Pretty soon the AFC might actually have to worry about the opposition in the SB. :pimp:

[Bronco Billy]

Why the hell does Bill always wear the same damn sweatshirt when coaches? Is he supersticious or something?

[coachmastermind]

The bottom line is any team in the AFC has a chance to beat any other team-if we don't come out and play our game anybody has a chance to beat us... same is true for Indy too...

so although I think New England matches up better against Indy than we do, and we match up better against them than Indy... I'm not going and hanging myself if Pitt wins tomorrow and we have to play NE next week with the possibility of going to Indy right ahead of us...

can't control what others do in there games.

[Taco John]

I'm worried that Jerry Rice won't make the finals of Dancing With The Stars. Its part of the anti-Bronco conspiracy.




He's going to have to beat out media darling Kenny Mayne if he ever expects to get any media respect.

[Crushaholic]

I'm worried that there are people here on the Mane who actually know Jerry Rice's status on Dancing With the Stars...:holyguac!

[Blart]

not worried at all.

[Paladin]

I would agree that Madden is very much enamored with Brady and the Pats, but he did offer the mild defense that they are champions until they get knocked off. True that, but stupid that, also. During the last half of the season, the Pats had a fair sting of home games. I thought that their scedule was somewhat unbalanced in that they had a number of less challenging games at home. Who in their Division could have been much of a challenge to the Pats? It has been established in other quarters, that it is not so much who you play, but also when you play them and what the "hidden injury report" is like. There are also a lot of intangibles in the psychological make up of a team for each game. For example, I think Denver, KC, and SD were the only teams in tthe AFC to put so much effort into winning the last regular season game. That has an effect on a team as it prepares for the playoffs.

I thought the Jags were beaten before they took the field. Lefty is still hurting, and I would have thought that Gerrard (sp?) would have been the better bet for this game. (Besides, I don't think that Lefty is as good a QB as he has been touted to be. Maybe next year.) There was nothing in that game last night that gave me the impression that the Pats were the far superior team. It seemed more that the Jags were the far more inferior team, a different perspective if you know what I mean.

I did not see the Pats do anything that was overwhelmingly superior to, say, KC or SD. I don't think the Pats would beat Indy based on what I saw last night, and I think they wopuld have had a major problem playing Denver last night. Maybe they improve for next week, I don't know, but last night was not a great performance for the Pats.

[Odysseus]

Boo!

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/images/smilies/Patslogo26.GIF

Whose that guy in your avatar? He looks the Emperor in the Star Wars saga. Evil Bill!

I personally think the Patriots can play pretty good football. I'm worried to the extent that the Broncos don't get over confident.

[OrangeShadow]

It comes with the territory. :)

:bs:

[SteveTensi13]

If anyone should be scared its the Pats of the Broncos!

[VT_Bronco]

I was at the game last night and the Pats were impressive. Their front 7 was dominant and their secondary is significantly improved since the last time the we faced them. They were playing a beat up Jags team at home though who hasn't played anyone in over a month. The secondary is improved but I'd still consider it to be average at best.

In talking to the fans and listening to local sports talk the consensus seems to be that they (the fans) are worried about facing the Broncos. Due to the DEN/NE matchup history and Indy's potential rustiness most are rooting for the Bengals today.

The Pats would no doubt be a formidable opponent but I like the Broncos chances against anyone at home after a bye week.

[Crowpointer]

I'm a little groggy this morning (got home from game 1:30) but I am looking forward (hopefully if Pittsburgh comes through) to stopping by the OF1 next Saturday and wishing you guys good luck before what should be the best game of the year. Let's go Steelers !

[VT_Bronco]

I was at that game last night and the Pats were impressive. Their secondary seems to have improved significantly since the last time we saw them and the front 7 was dominant. They were playing a beat up Jags team at home though who hasn't played anyone in over a month. Even though their secondary has improved I'd still consider it to be average at best.

In talking to the fans and listening to local talk radio the consensus seems to be that they (the fans) were worried about facing the Broncos. Due to the matchup history and Indy's potential rustiness most are rooting for the Bengals today.

The Pats would no doubt be a formidable opponent but I'd like the Broncos chances against anyone they play at home after a bye week.

[Old Dude]

I'd love to see the Broncos play the Pats.

In about two weeks.

[OrangeShadow]

if i could have any situation id want to beat NE first than Indy on our way to the SB, thatd be amazing

[Ray Finkle]

As well as the Pats played, the Jags looked like they had no game plan on offense. It had to be one of the worse coaching jobs I have seen since Wayne Founts and the Lions....

[Tombstone RJ]

if i could have any situation id want to beat NE first than Indy on our way to the SB, thatd be amazing

Hell no!

This is the best situation: Cincy wins and comes to Denver. NE goes to Indy. Broncos win and NE wins. Then NE comes to Denver for the conference championship.

Thats the way to go.

[Play2win]

As well as the Pats played, the Jags looked like they had no game plan on offense. It had to be one of the worse coaching jobs I have seen since Wayne Founts and the Lions....
If Gerrard Starts, they have a good chance of winning that game. Just look how he performed when he came in late. With Leftwhich, they just didn't have much of a chance, and still don't understand why they started him. Unless Jack Del Rio was already thinking about next year, and taking it for given that they weren't going to go anywhere in the playoffs THIS YEAR...

[RMT]

Hell no!

This is the best situation: Cincy wins and comes to Denver. NE goes to Indy. Broncos win and NE wins. Then NE comes to Denver for the conference championship.

Thats the way to go.

That's what I'd like to see, too, even if it means shelling out some more $$$ to go to at least one more game :)

[RMT]

If Gerrard Starts, they have a good chance of winning that game. Just look how he performed when he came in late. With Leftwhich, they just didn't have much of a chance, and still don't understand why they started him. Unless Jack Del Rio was already thinking about next year, and taking it for given that they weren't going to go anywhere in the playoffs THIS YEAR...

I agree 100%. Who, in their right mind, would put a QB who's been out for over 6 weeks in as a starter for a playoff game? I could see Leftwich starting had he played last week and gotten rid of some of the rust, but he looked AWFUL and should never have started the game.

[CHEF LUIGI]

It wont be the Steelers, we will face on of two very potent passing offenses.
'attack the pass at the point of origin"
this must be our defining concept for beating any of the teams we face, from this point forward.
I think our succes has more to do with scheme than personnell.
corner blitzes, safety blitzes, gold or DJ coming off the dge, we must make it difficult for the opposing O-lines to figure out who is coming and who to block.
Our offense can do their part too, by running the ball, staying in bounds, running the clock, and keeping these opposing QBs and their passing arsenal on the sidelines.
If the Colts make it to the AFC championship game, our battle, ythe week before will be a good warm-up!

[footstepsfrom#27]

I don't want to face NE right now for two reasons; 1) They are still very dangerous with Brady and 3 SB championships and know how to win in the playoffs, and 2) I want them to face the Colts and beat them.

An AFC title matchup in a couple weeks in Invesco is what I'm rooting for.

[Ray Finkle]

I don't want to face NE right now for two reasons; 1) They are still very dangerous with Brady and 3 SB championships and know how to win in the playoffs, and 2) I want them to face the Colts and beat them.

An AFC title matchup in a couple weeks in Invesco is what I'm rooting for.


Hell no, I want Denver to face the Pats. Shanahan does a great job when he is the underdog in the postseason. The Broncos have played very well against the Pats in the last four games....

[RMT]

I like our chance against anyone. Remember, not only have the players had two weeks to rest up, the coaches have had TWO WEEKS to put a gameplan together.

Shanahan's got an excellent record coming off of two weeks of preparation. I'm excited, regardless of who comes to Denver.

[Broncoman13]

It wont be the Steelers, we will face on of two very potent passing offenses.
'attack the pass at the point of origin"
this must be our defining concept for beating any of the teams we face, from this point forward.
I think our succes has more to do with scheme than personnell.
corner blitzes, safety blitzes, gold or DJ coming off the dge, we must make it difficult for the opposing O-lines to figure out who is coming and who to block.
Our offense can do their part too, by running the ball, staying in bounds, running the clock, and keeping these opposing QBs and their passing arsenal on the sidelines.
If the Colts make it to the AFC championship game, our battle, ythe week before will be a good warm-up!




Send Shanny an email!!! This is good stuff, our HC should know about it!

rofl

[rbackfactory80]

this thread is insane. Patriots will have to get a lot better this week if they plan on winning in Denver this weekend.

[RMT]

this thread is insane. Patriots will have to get a lot better this week if they plan on winning in Denver this weekend.

Right on ... plus, they will be playing a team that CAN tackle and does NOT turn over the ball very much.

Turnovers were HUGE in yesterday's games. We'll see if today is more of the same.

[Broncoman13]

Hell no!

This is the best situation: Cincy wins and comes to Denver. NE goes to Indy. Broncos win and NE wins. Then NE comes to Denver for the conference championship.

Thats the way to go.

This is the exact scenario I've been predicting/really hoping for since the first week of December!

NE is back. They are playing great ball and will be tough to beat. All things being equal though, I'd rather play a team in Denver vs a team on the road. Seriously, it wouldn't matter if it was NE or Indy or the 85 Bears... play them in Denver and I have faith!

[RMT]

This is the exact scenario I've been predicting/really hoping for since the first week of December!

NE is back. They are playing great ball and will be tough to beat. All things being equal though, I'd rather play a team in Denver vs a team on the road. Seriously, it wouldn't matter if it was NE or Indy or the 85 Bears... play them in Denver and I have faith!

The fans are going to "rise to the occasion" as well. This next weekend will be the most raucous crowd Invesco has ever had. It'll be a lot of fun to be a part of it!

[Broncoman13]

this thread is insane. Patriots will have to get a lot better this week if they plan on winning in Denver this weekend.


Let me refresh your memory on a couple things. We won by 8 points last time. The Pats didn't have the emotional lift from Bruschi then. They didn't have Seymour (their best DL and probably best D player) they didn't have Dillon or even Faulk... and yet they were still able to hang with us in the end. The Pats can throw the ball... we're ranked pretty low vs the pass. I'm not saying we can't beat them, but all of you bad karma yacks out there need to quit with this BS that they aren't any good! They are plenty good and in case you forgot it's their title we're after!

[Broncoman13]

The fans are going to "rise to the occasion" as well. This next weekend will be the most raucous crowd Invesco has ever had. It'll be a lot of fun to be a part of it!


I know you're right!!! I hope it starts the second we come out of the tunnel! I'd like to see Brady or Palmer calling time outs and taking penalties all game long. False starts and delay of games should be the norm! I'm not proud... pump in the noise damnit! ;D rofl

[-Slap-]

I'm not saying we can't beat them, but all of you bad karma yacks out there need to quit with this BS that they aren't any good! They are plenty good and in case you forgot it's their title we're after!
Thank you!

[rbackfactory80]

Let me refresh your memory on a couple things. We won by 8 points last time. The Pats didn't have the emotional lift from Bruschi then. They didn't have Seymour (their best DL and probably best D player) they didn't have Dillon or even Faulk... and yet they were still able to hang with us in the end. The Pats can throw the ball... we're ranked pretty low vs the pass. I'm not saying we can't beat them, but all of you bad karma yacks out there need to quit with this BS that they aren't any good! They are plenty good and in case you forgot it's their title we're after!


We won by eight so whats your point? You like everyone else has seen them beat two teams that are not very good and your sold, talk about ignorance. Playing a decent team at home and a very good team on the road are two different things. Where I said they were no good, could you also point that out to me because obviously you know everything. If you don't think they have to play better then they did last night to beat us then you are just make statements based on "Karma" rather then truth.

[-Slap-]

Maybe if Brady and New England had won four Super Bowls in row instead of merely three out of four, people wouldn't be looking down on them like the Tennessee Titans right now.

[-Slap-]

Did anybody, except the Patriot haters, entertain even the slightest thought New England might lose that game yesterday?

[Spider]

Let me refresh your memory on a couple things. We won by 8 points last time. The Pats didn't have the emotional lift from Bruschi then. They didn't have Seymour (their best DL and probably best D player) they didn't have Dillon or even Faulk... and yet they were still able to hang with us in the end. The Pats can throw the ball... we're ranked pretty low vs the pass. I'm not saying we can't beat them, but all of you bad karma yacks out there need to quit with this BS that they aren't any good! They are plenty good and in case you forgot it's their title we're after!
it isnt that they are not any good , the Pats are good ,but lets look at 2 teams ....
1.Steelers ,you know what to expect ,Power Running , Defense ,Knowing whats comming and stopping it are 2 different things ...... Trick is Keeping the Steelers in 3 rd and long ........
2.Broncos , again you know what to expect ,More running , Jake in and out of the pocket , again stopping is a different matter , Defense Denver showed somethings vs the Chargers ,that we didnt expect .......
My point is ,Teams that impose thier will and Game plan and you cant stop em ,Pretty much already have a leg up .........
now the Pats have a stiff Defense , but you can stop the running game , Now stopping Brady is easier said then done ....... But I like our Chances .........
Steelers are scary team in this playoffs .......

[PatsWin2002]

Since Seymour came back it's made our defense so much better. Teams aren't running on us like they were early in the year.

That'd be the biggest thing in a Denver/Pats matchup - Denver trying to establish the run and the Pats trying to take it away and making Jake beat us. That's how I see it.

[Spider]

Since Seymour came back it's made our defense so much better. Teams aren't running on us like they were early in the year.

That'd be the biggest thing in a Denver/Pats matchup - Denver trying to establish the run and the Pats trying to take it away and making Jake beat us. That's how I see it.
you guys got some great players on D , you are right about the run , the key is , Making us give up on it early ....... Denver has gave up on the run in a few games.......
Now I would also like to add , you will have to stop or contain Jake ......

[Swedish Extrovert]

I think tht Cincinnati beats Pittsburgh tomorrow and we host them the next weekend.


And I would rather face NE over Indy...

[Broncoman13]

I'm really pulling for Cincy today. I like the Pats chances to go into Indy and beat them more than Pitt. Above all else I want homefield throughout.

Somebody asked earlier what have the Pats done except beat teams that aren't any good. He genius, we played the Ravens, Bills, Raiders, and Chargers to closeout the season... don't recall any of those teams being in the playoffs? Does your point go both ways or only when you think it makes your arguement?

The Pats are in the same class as the Broncos, Colts, Seahawks and Bears. Of those 5 teams... one of them will win the SB!

As far as comments being bad karma... You're damn right! Do you know how much Karma control people like me and Shack have to do around here? Assclowns like to say that we're going to pound on the Phins and what happens? From that point forward we had to control the karma every damn week. It almost bit us in the ass vs the Ravens... even though they're a team that's given Denver the most problems in the past 5 years.

[Broncoman13]

And I would rather face NE over Indy...


I'd rather face NE over Indy as well... but that has more to do with Homefield than quality of opponent. Simply put, I think the Pats have a better chance of going into Indy and winning than the Steelers or Broncos do!

GO BENGALS!

[Cito Pelon]

It doesn't matter who your team plays. If your team is good enough, you go out and take what you want. You beat the guy you're matched up against twice for every time he beats you. You stay cool and visualize making big plays. You make every routine tackle, block, catch or throw as your basis, and stay on your toes looking to make that exceptional tackle, block, catch or throw. You play hard, stay cool, execute, and let the chips fall where they may. To me, mentally as a player, the playoffs were so much easier than the reg season where you know you have to make it through the grind, you're protecting that hurt ankle or shoulder. In the playoffs, the mental load is lessened, you just let it rip on every play.

[upstart]

Since Seymour came back it's made our defense so much better. Teams aren't running on us like they were early in the year.

That'd be the biggest thing in a Denver/Pats matchup - Denver trying to establish the run and the Pats trying to take it away and making Jake beat us. That's how I see it.

Well said

[REB]

I think the Steelers win this game but I am pulling for the Bengals because as has been mentioned if we can then defeat them next week and the Patriots can defeat the Colts, the AFC Championship game will be played in Denver and that would be SWEET!

1-2-3 :Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

[yavoon]

If Gerrard Starts, they have a good chance of winning that game. Just look how he performed when he came in late. With Leftwhich, they just didn't have much of a chance, and still don't understand why they started him. Unless Jack Del Rio was already thinking about next year, and taking it for given that they weren't going to go anywhere in the playoffs THIS YEAR...

stop smoking the peacepipe garrard was 3/8 for 68 yards, most of those yac on the matt jones catch. that and he was running HIMSELF DIRECTLY INTO PASS RUSHERS. ur gna take that over leftwich who, against the patriots actual gameplan and not their game winning wind down was 18/31, well over 50% for 170ish yards and was showing good ability to buy time in the pocket?

MAYBE garrard is half the qb leftwich is, maybe.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

MAYBE garrard is half the qb leftwich is, maybe.

So does that make him about 1/4 of a QB because Leftwich sure isn't anything to write home about.

[Broncos4tw]

The Pats don't worry me at all really, we always seem to match up well against them. We are a more balanced team in my opinion, ergo, we do better against other teams that are more balanced. If they don't have a super offense (like Indy's), our D can stop them. If they don't have a super D, just a good one, I like our chances. Playing in Indy on that nasty rug is what worries me more than anything. If we apply an Eagles-like effort of pressure on Manning, I think we beat them. If not, we could easily lose it.

So quite frankly I don't care who we play, I think we are capable of beating anyone. But I'd rather yea, we played at home, against the Pats. We have a better chance even with mistakes in that game, than in Indy, by far.

[yavoon]

So does that make him about 1/4 of a QB because Leftwich sure isn't anything to write home about.

well not getting into that argument, tho I like leftwich. but whatever u think of leftwich garrard is half that.

[Bronco9798]

I personally hope we get NE next week. Watching Brady walking off the field in Denver after a playoff loss would make my day. I like Brady, but I would like to see Denver end the run.

I also like Pitts chances in Indy. Well not really, but I think Pitt can give Indy a better game. They got beat earlier in a Monday night game, but I think they adjust and play them a little better this time around.

I would love to beat NE and knock Brady out and turn around the next week and knock Peyton out of the playoffs. That would be sweet.

[PatsWin2002]

At least you don't have a "Patriots Complex" like these poor Indy folks.

Damn near every thread is about the Pats.

http://www2.indystar.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10

[terry251973]

you can just forget about the pats beating the colts .colts will rip them a new one against that secondary.jacksonville probably wins that game last night if it was in jacksonville.when you look at the pats all they have is brady and thats it.everybody needs to face the facts that we are going to have to go back to indy for our third showdown.

[RMT]

you can just forget about the pats beating the colts .colts will rip them a new one against that secondary.jacksonville probably wins that game last night if it was in jacksonville.when you look at the pats all they have is brady and thats it.everybody needs to face the facts that we are going to have to go back to indy for our third showdown.

As long as the Broncos take care of business next weekend. After watching the Jax debacle in '96, I'm never again going to put the cart before the horse.

[Spider]

Thisguy cracked me up http://www2.indystar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133238

[Bronco9798]

At least you don't have a "Patriots Complex" like these poor Indy folks.

Damn near every thread is about the Pats.

http://www2.indystar.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10

I have the "Indy Complex" I know how they feel up there with the Patriots. We have it with the Colts. Once we beat them in the playoffs or the Colts beat the Pats, the complexes will continue. Got to love sports!!!!!:yayaya:

[Bronco9798]

you can just forget about the pats beating the colts .colts will rip them a new one against that secondary.jacksonville probably wins that game last night if it was in jacksonville.when you look at the pats all they have is brady and thats it.everybody needs to face the facts that we are going to have to go back to indy for our third showdown.

The Pats not only have Brady, they have smart players with good discipline and attitude. You don't have to have a roster full of names to win a championship. You need good leadership, coaching, discipline, and a little luck along the way.

[terry251973]

im not bashing the pats but look at these results and tell me besides pittsburgh.who have they beat?
Thu 9/8/2005 9:00 PM vs Raiders ABC 805 231 30-20 W
Sun 9/18/2005 1:00 PM @ Panthers CBS 804 233 27-17 L
Sun 9/25/2005 4:15 PM @ Steelers CBS 804 233 23-20 W
Sun 10/2/2005 1:00 PM vs Chargers CBS 804 233 41-17 L
Sun 10/9/2005 1:00 PM @ Falcons CBS 804 233 31-28 W
Sun 10/16/2005 4:15 PM @ Broncos CBS 804 233 28-20 L
Sun 10/23/2005 vs Bye
Sun 10/30/2005 8:30 PM vs Bills ESPN 849 202 21-16 W
Mon 11/7/2005 9:00 PM vs Colts ABC 805 231 40-21 L
Sun 11/13/2005 1:00 PM @ Dolphins CBS 804 233 23-16 W
Sun 11/20/2005 1:00 PM vs Saints FOX 825 234 24-17 W
Sun 11/27/2005 1:00 PM @ Chiefs CBS 804 233 26-16 L
Sun 12/4/2005 4:15 PM vs Jets CBS 804 233 16-3 W
Sun 12/11/2005 1:00 PM @ Bills CBS 804 233 35-7 W
Sat 12/17/2005 1:30 PM vs Buccaneers FOX 825 234 28-0 W
Mon 12/26/2005 9:00 PM @ Jets ABC 805 231 31-21 W
Sun 1/1/2006 1:00 PM vs Dolphins CBS 804 233 28-26 L

[RMT]

im not bashing the pats but look at these results and tell me besides pittsburgh.who have they beat?
Thu 9/8/2005 9:00 PM vs Raiders ABC 805 231 30-20 W
Sun 9/18/2005 1:00 PM @ Panthers CBS 804 233 27-17 L
Sun 9/25/2005 4:15 PM @ Steelers CBS 804 233 23-20 W
Sun 10/2/2005 1:00 PM vs Chargers CBS 804 233 41-17 L
Sun 10/9/2005 1:00 PM @ Falcons CBS 804 233 31-28 W
Sun 10/16/2005 4:15 PM @ Broncos CBS 804 233 28-20 L
Sun 10/23/2005 vs Bye
Sun 10/30/2005 8:30 PM vs Bills ESPN 849 202 21-16 W
Mon 11/7/2005 9:00 PM vs Colts ABC 805 231 40-21 L
Sun 11/13/2005 1:00 PM @ Dolphins CBS 804 233 23-16 W
Sun 11/20/2005 1:00 PM vs Saints FOX 825 234 24-17 W
Sun 11/27/2005 1:00 PM @ Chiefs CBS 804 233 26-16 L
Sun 12/4/2005 4:15 PM vs Jets CBS 804 233 16-3 W
Sun 12/11/2005 1:00 PM @ Bills CBS 804 233 35-7 W
Sat 12/17/2005 1:30 PM vs Buccaneers FOX 825 234 28-0 W
Mon 12/26/2005 9:00 PM @ Jets ABC 805 231 31-21 W
Sun 1/1/2006 1:00 PM vs Dolphins CBS 804 233 28-26 L

Good point ... Check out the Sagarin Ratings, http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nfl05.htm

The Patriots are #9 and are 1-4 against teams in the top 10, 4-6 against teams in the top 16... that doesn't bode well for them. Of course, look where the Broncos sit, #1. I sure hope that doesn't come back to haunt us.

[phillybroncosnut]

im not bashing the pats but look at these results and tell me besides pittsburgh.who have they beat?
Thu 9/8/2005 9:00 PM vs Raiders ABC 805 231 30-20 W
Sun 9/18/2005 1:00 PM @ Panthers CBS 804 233 27-17 L
Sun 9/25/2005 4:15 PM @ Steelers CBS 804 233 23-20 W
Sun 10/2/2005 1:00 PM vs Chargers CBS 804 233 41-17 L
Sun 10/9/2005 1:00 PM @ Falcons CBS 804 233 31-28 W
Sun 10/16/2005 4:15 PM @ Broncos CBS 804 233 28-20 L
Sun 10/23/2005 vs Bye
Sun 10/30/2005 8:30 PM vs Bills ESPN 849 202 21-16 W
Mon 11/7/2005 9:00 PM vs Colts ABC 805 231 40-21 L
Sun 11/13/2005 1:00 PM @ Dolphins CBS 804 233 23-16 W
Sun 11/20/2005 1:00 PM vs Saints FOX 825 234 24-17 W
Sun 11/27/2005 1:00 PM @ Chiefs CBS 804 233 26-16 L
Sun 12/4/2005 4:15 PM vs Jets CBS 804 233 16-3 W
Sun 12/11/2005 1:00 PM @ Bills CBS 804 233 35-7 W
Sat 12/17/2005 1:30 PM vs Buccaneers FOX 825 234 28-0 W
Mon 12/26/2005 9:00 PM @ Jets ABC 805 231 31-21 W
Sun 1/1/2006 1:00 PM vs Dolphins CBS 804 233 28-26 L

That means absolutely piddly chit at this point!

As long as Tom Terrific is under center, they will be a force no matter who they play. You don't go 10-0 in the playoffs by luck!

That team knows how to win when it matters. Did you see how relaxed they were in the second half of a 7-3 game. They were supposed to win by 20. Alot of teams would have pressed in that situation. Not the Pats. They are the coolest team under pressure that I can remember watching. They NEVER get rattled. They can beat you running the ball. They can beat you by throwing the ball. They can beat you with Special teams, or they can smack you in the mouth and beat you in a defensive battle.
With all that said, I'd rather face the Pats at home for the Title game rather then having to play them this week and @ Indy next week.

How the hell can anyone take a team who has won 3 out of the last 4 titles lightly? Especially when they are catching fire?
Crazy!

[Bronco9798]

im not bashing the pats but look at these results and tell me besides pittsburgh.who have they beat?
Thu 9/8/2005 9:00 PM vs Raiders ABC 805 231 30-20 W
Sun 9/18/2005 1:00 PM @ Panthers CBS 804 233 27-17 L
Sun 9/25/2005 4:15 PM @ Steelers CBS 804 233 23-20 W
Sun 10/2/2005 1:00 PM vs Chargers CBS 804 233 41-17 L
Sun 10/9/2005 1:00 PM @ Falcons CBS 804 233 31-28 W
Sun 10/16/2005 4:15 PM @ Broncos CBS 804 233 28-20 L
Sun 10/23/2005 vs Bye
Sun 10/30/2005 8:30 PM vs Bills ESPN 849 202 21-16 W
Mon 11/7/2005 9:00 PM vs Colts ABC 805 231 40-21 L
Sun 11/13/2005 1:00 PM @ Dolphins CBS 804 233 23-16 W
Sun 11/20/2005 1:00 PM vs Saints FOX 825 234 24-17 W
Sun 11/27/2005 1:00 PM @ Chiefs CBS 804 233 26-16 L
Sun 12/4/2005 4:15 PM vs Jets CBS 804 233 16-3 W
Sun 12/11/2005 1:00 PM @ Bills CBS 804 233 35-7 W
Sat 12/17/2005 1:30 PM vs Buccaneers FOX 825 234 28-0 W
Mon 12/26/2005 9:00 PM @ Jets ABC 805 231 31-21 W
Sun 1/1/2006 1:00 PM vs Dolphins CBS 804 233 28-26 L

Ahhh,, the good ole "who did they beat" cliche. I hate that phrase. The NFL gives you a schedule and you have to play all 16 games. The objective is to go out and beat your opponent reagrdless of who they are or how bad they are. The Patriots should of beat the teams they beat and did what they had to do. You can lay an egg any week. Bad teams do it more often then the better teams. But why bash a team for their schedule. Good teams are suppose to beat bad teams and when you do that, you're a good team. That's what you're suppose to do.

When the Broncos won their second Super Bowl they beat 4 or 5 teams above .500 Were you complaining about our schedule then? I wasn't. Your schedule is what it is.

Indy played a weak schedule this year. Does that mean they aren't any good? But they went out and beat the weaker teams as they were suppose to do. And they also beat Pitt, Cinn, and Jax which were playoff teams.

Anyway, your schedule is what it is. If you want to advance the good teams beat the lesser teams like they're suppose to do.

[Crowpointer]

At least you don't have a "Patriots Complex" like these poor Indy folks.

Damn near every thread is about the Pats.

http://www2.indystar.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10
I think the honeymoon might soon be over for you my south shore friend. If the Pats do play the Broncos and actually win then the name Patswin will go over like a lead balloon on this site. You and I will be as marked as Whitey Bulger in the FBI headquarters.

[terry251973]

Ahhh,, the good ole "who did they beat" cliche. I hate that phrase. The NFL gives you a schedule and you have to play all 16 games. The objective is to go out and beat your opponent reagrdless of who they are or how bad they are. The Patriots should of beat the teams they beat and did what they had to do. You can lay an egg any week. Bad teams do it more often then the better teams. But why bash a team for their schedule. Good teams are suppose to beat bad teams and when you do that, you're a good team. That's what you're suppose to do.

When the Broncos won their second Super Bowl they beat 4 or 5 teams above .500 Were you complaining about our schedule then? I wasn't. Your schedule is what it is.

Indy played a weak schedule this year. Does that mean they aren't any good? But they went out and beat the weaker teams as they were suppose to do. And they also beat Pitt, Cinn, and Jax which were playoff teams.

Anyway, your schedule is what it is. If you want to advance the good teams beat the lesser teams like they're suppose to do.
well the fact is that when they played the better teams they lost .if the game was in new england i would give them a chance but its not.i really think new england won that game only because they played at home.honestly dont think they would have beat jacksonville at home.sorry but the previous seasons dont mean jack when you are talking about this year.if that was the case every super bowl winner would repeat and play well each year after they won superbowl.nobody is playing better going into the playoffs than denver.if new england can beat the colts or denver then i will agree but until they beat someone who is fairly good they are just a subpar team.

[RMT]

The Pats will NOT win in Denver, whether that be next weekend or the weekend after that should they meet in the AFC title game. And that's a BIG "if"

[phillybroncosnut]

I think the honeymoon might soon be over for you my south shore friend. If the Pats do play the Broncos and actually win then the name Patswin will go over like a lead balloon on this site. You and I will be as marked as Whitey Bulger in the FBI headquarters.


I disagree Crow. Pats is very liked in these parts. He's a classy poster who knows the game. His only flaw is having no clue how to pick an NFL team to cheer for.
If the Pats beat the Broncos, Pats is welcome here anytime by myself. I can't speak for anyone else, But I'm sure the regulars here would agree with my take.
Unfortunately, I can't say the same for you because you're not as known as Pats is.

[phillybroncosnut]

until they beat someone who is fairly good they are just a subpar team.

:oyvey:

[terry251973]

:oyvey:
hey phillynut.i know you think i dont know what im talking about but i really do.just wait and see.remember i was right about the chuggers and i believe i am right about the pats.:clown:

[Ray Finkle]

I think the honeymoon might soon be over for you my south shore friend. If the Pats do play the Broncos and actually win then the name Patswin will go over like a lead balloon on this site. You and I will be as marked as Whitey Bulger in the FBI headquarters.


as Philly put it,
I think it is safe to say that Pats is one of the more respected posters here...

[WaffleBoy]

This guy has won 10 straight playoff games in a row and this team is looking really good at the moment, especially on defense. Can the Broncos beat New England twice in a row? I'm not sure. Everyone says it's tough to beat the same team twice in the same year. Maybe the Broncos can, but it will be tough.

The Boy Wonder :super:

[Rock Chalk]

You ****ing idiot.

[hades]

Sandy Eggo, Chokeland?

Plus I got a bronco tattoo this year, no way they will let me down! LOL

[loborugger]

Are you ready to sell out to your hero, Waffle?

I surprised you showed before the Broncos lost a game.

[WaffleBoy]

Are you ready to sell out to your hero, Waffle?

I surprised you showed before the Broncos lost a game.

Just having some fun. :thumbsup:

[sirhcyennek81]

New England, for the record, is now 4-6 vs winning teams this year...They have to come to us, and figure a new way to beat us. Pressure is on them.

:Broncos:

[Kaylore]

Waffle only shows up when he thinks we're going to lose. Notice his prolonged absence during our win streak. We win and he'll probably go away.

[24champ]

This guy has won 10 straight playoff games in a row and this team is looking really good at the moment, especially on defense. Can the Broncos beat New England twice in a row? I'm not sure. Everyone says it's tough to beat the same team twice in the same year. Maybe the Broncos can, but it will be tough.

The Boy Wonder :super:
I dont know why your worried about us when you should be worried about Peyton.

[Clockwork Orange]

Your boys gonna take out Manning's knee next weekend? Is Cowher getting that desperate to shed his Marty v2.0 reputation?

[Rocket 7]

This guy has won 10 straight playoff games in a row and this team is looking really good at the moment, especially on defense. Can the Broncos beat New England twice in a row? I'm not sure. Everyone says it's tough to beat the same team twice in the same year. Maybe the Broncos can, but it will be tough.

The Boy Wonder :super:
The Broncos stopped the NFC 13 year Super Bowl winning streak. This will be the next streak to come to an end.

[WaffleBoy]

Waffle only shows up when he thinks we're going to lose. Notice his prolonged absence during our win streak. We win and he'll probably go away.

I've been busy, but I did post some time last week. ;D

The Boy Wonder :super:

[hades]

The Broncos stopped the NFC 13 year Super Bowl winning streak. This will be the next streak to come to an end.

Can I get an H - E - double hockey sticks Yeah!

[WaffleBoy]

Your boys gonna take out Manning's knee next weekend? Is Cowher getting that desperate to shed his Marty v2.0 reputation?

Marty Jr? lol I just hope it doesn't get ugly! I am not impressed with Cowher at all.

The Boy Wonder :super:

[GonzoLays]

You were noticeably absent during the Steelers slide and the Bronco's win streak.

You only come to ask moronic questions. Why?

You are the most annoying poster left on this board.

[WaffleBoy]

You were noticeably absent during the Steelers slide and the Bronco's win streak.

You only come to ask moronic questions. Why?

You are the most annoying poster left on this board.

I've been noticeably absent during the whole season almost. :thumbsup: BTW, what happened to Bob? ;D

The Boy Wonder :super:

[TheDave]

guess i need to put someone back on the iggy list.

[Rock Chalk]

You were noticeably absent during the Steelers slide and the Bronco's win streak.

You only come to ask moronic questions. Why?

You are the most annoying poster left on this board.
I must try harder.

[WaffleBoy]

guess i need to put someone back on the iggy list.

No need. Just had some free time. ;D

The Boy Wonder :super:

[Ray Finkle]

great job of starting a new thread when one was already working....thanks for clogging the toilet, dip shet.

[watermock]

Waffle only shows up when he thinks we're going to lose. Notice his prolonged absence during our win streak. We win and he'll probably go away.

I only have one person on ignore...not even LABF. I can handle propoganda, but outright stupidity is just too much. So Pitt wins and the Cockroach sneaks out from under the kitchen cabinet...how shocking. This should last...lets say...one week...

If Pitt can knock off Indy I will go crazy if we win...but do you honestly think they have one shot in hell? They have one shot in hell, but that's about it.

[loborugger]

Here's a poll for Waffle

Who's a bigger Bronco fan, Waffle or Bob?

Bob's in the closet, but is a die hard deep down where he doesnt wanna look.

Waffle reminds me of that line in Tool's Sober - "I will work to elevate you, just enough to bring you down." Waffle only shows up to remind us of our team's (not his, despite his statements) failures. Quite possibly the worst day for Waffle would be Jake holding up the Super Bowl MVP trophy. What could he say then?

I take Bob in this vote.

[WaffleBoy]

I only have one person on ignore...not even LABF. I can handle propoganda, but outright stupidity is just too much. So Pitt wins and the corkroach sneaks out from under the kitchen cabinet...how shocking. This should last...lets say...one week...

If Pitt can knock off Indy I will go crazy if we win...but do you honestly think they have one shot in hell? They have one shot in hell, but that's about it.

No one is beating the Colts.

The Boy Wonder :super:

[ak1971]

Bring em on....


LETS GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sgt Sauce]

it was tough beating the Chargers and Raiders twice this year..


on ESPN's poll Denver is least likely to go to Super Bowl from AFC at under 9%... WTF!!! Has anyone watched them play this year.. I'm demanding we call a press conference tomorrow to whine about "not getting enough respect". The Jags were weak, and had a cake walk schedule.. BRING IT NEW ENGLAND!!!

[elsid13]

You ****ing idiot.


I second that fact. I'm surprised that you didn't put a f***ing poll.

[DomCasual]

This guy has won 10 straight playoff games in a row and this team is looking really good at the moment, especially on defense. Can the Broncos beat New England twice in a row? I'm not sure. Everyone says it's tough to beat the same team twice in the same year. Maybe the Broncos can, but it will be tough.

The Boy Wonder :super:
Here's to hoping for Steelers and Broncos wins this week. I'd love nothing more than to have Bill Schottenheimer *ahem* Cowher on the opposite sideline for the AFC Championship.

[PatriotReign37]

This guy has won 10 straight playoff games in a row and this team is looking really good at the moment, especially on defense. Can the Broncos beat New England twice in a row? I'm not sure. Everyone says it's tough to beat the same team twice in the same year. Maybe the Broncos can, but it will be tough.

The Boy Wonder :super:

He really had an off night vs Jax. Balls were sailing high and hitting refs.

I hope he brings his game up a notch or two vs Denver.

[RMT]

He really had an off night vs Jax. Balls were sailing high and hitting refs.

I hope he brings his game up a notch or two vs Denver.

I'm not guaranteeing a Broncos' win, but I don't think anyone east of the Rocky Mountains comprehends the challenge the Patriots are facing.

Or perhaps they are kidding themselves into thinking "wishing" will help the Patriots' chances in Denver.

[Malcontent]

I'm not guaranteeing a Broncos' win, but I don't think anyone east of the Rocky Mountains comprehends the challenge the Patriots are facing.

Or perhaps they are kidding themselves into thinking "wishing" will help the Patriots' chances in Denver.

Well said Thunder! I bet the eastern half of the US has only seen 2 maybe 3 Bronco games in their entirety all season long. They know not what they are getting into!

[RMT]

Well said Thunder! I bet the eastern half of the US has only seen 2 maybe 3 Bronco games in their entirety all season long. They know not what they are getting into!

I agree. The Broncos haven't played their best game yet nor have the fans peaked yet. The fans are going to "bring in da noise" this Saturday.

What a lot of talking heads forget is that the Broncos still won a meaningless game in San Diego with some of their best players watching the game from the sidelines in the second half. That says a lot about their character, depth, and focus.

[Sassy]

I agree. The Broncos haven't played their best game yet nor have the fans peaked yet. The fans are going to "bring in da noise" this Saturday.

What a lot of talking heads forget is that the Broncos still won a meaningless game in San Diego with some of their best players watching the game from the sidelines in the second half. That says a lot about their character, depth, and focus.
Not to mention the second half was played in a monsoon! :yayaya:

[sirhcyennek81]

Denver does not exist according to the braintrust east of the mississippi. Thats reality. Thats fine, too. We will be able to enjoy watching the explanations from the talking heads when denver wins it all.

:Broncos:

[RMT]

The treatment the Broncos are (or are not) getting from the media reminds me a lot of Super Bowl 32. The Broncos didn't have a chance then and went on to break the NFC's 13 game SB win streak.

This weekend another streak falls - Brady's 10 consecutive playoff wins. Keep in mind that the Patriots are 1-5 against the top 10 teams in the Sagarin ratings system while the Broncos were 7-3, with all 3 losses coming on the road.

According to the Sagarin system, the Broncos really should be a 7 point favorite. The fact that the spread is 3 amounts to 4 points of disrespect towards the Broncos and their fans. I'm taking it personally.

[PatriotReign37]

I'm not guaranteeing a Broncos' win, but I don't think anyone east of the Rocky Mountains comprehends the challenge the Patriots are facing.

Or perhaps they are kidding themselves into thinking "wishing" will help the Patriots' chances in Denver.

The Patriots know whats ahead and how difficult its been for NE to win in Denver. Do you think Belichick wont take those facts into consideration? Pleeeaaase. Just wait until the wednesday press conference and you'll hear it all.

The Patriots respect the Broncos, but they do not fear them. Forget the regular season because that will mean squat next saturday night.

[RMT]

The Patriots know whats ahead and how difficult its been for NE to win in Denver. Do you think Belichick wont take those facts into consideration? Pleeeaaase. Just wait until the wednesday press conference and you'll hear it all.

The Patriots respect the Broncos, but they do not fear them. Forget the regular season because that will mean squat next saturday night.

And forget this past weekend because it doesn't mean squat either. The Broncos are definitely not the Jags.

[PatriotReign37]

And forget this past weekend because it don't mean squat either. The Broncos are definitely not the Jags.

Nobody ever said they were. Its going to be a hell of a game. It wouldnt be in the prime Sat night slot if it werent.

[broncohaven]

Hey, this is the playoffs boys. If you aren't ready to take on all comers, then get the hell out. I say bring 'em on. It'll be nice to be responsible for ending the glory boys playoff winning streak.

[Mtbrncofn]

Yeah, I'm worried. I always worry about stuff like this. It is the playoffs and our boys have not shown us a whole lot in the playoffs these last couple of years. I have faith, but I think it would be stupid not to at least be worried a bit about them.

I'm pulling for them all the way!

And the Steelers too.....for now. ;)

[PatsWin2002]

Yeah, I'm worried. I always worry about stuff like this. It is the playoffs and our boys have not shown us a whole lot in the playoffs these last couple of years. I have faith, but I think it would be stupid not to at least be worried a bit about them.

I'm pulling for them all the way!

And the Steelers too.....for now. ;)

You gotta worry.....we all do.

Because the fact remains that every team is often an injury or a bad bounce away from the offseason. That's just how it is.

[shaftedelic]

You gotta worry.....we all do.

Because the fact remains that every team is often an injury or a bad bounce away from the offseason. That's just how it is.


That's what makes the NFL so great. The difference between 5-11 and 11-5 is usually just a hand full of plays.

[Mtbrncofn]

That's what makes the NFL so great. The difference between 5-11 and 11-5 is usually just a hand full of plays.


Unless you're the Raiders! Then it's a whole season of bad plays. Ha!

[Crowpointer]

I disagree Crow. Pats is very liked in these parts. He's a classy poster who knows the game. His only flaw is having no clue how to pick an NFL team to cheer for.
If the Pats beat the Broncos, Pats is welcome here anytime by myself. I can't speak for anyone else, But I'm sure the regulars here would agree with my take.
Unfortunately, I can't say the same for you because you're not as known as Pats is.
He always was the cute Beatle. I am stopping by the OF1 for the second time this year and I will make sure that I introduce myself to you. I am assuming you will be wearing something with the Flyers on it.

[REB]

Unless you're the Raiders! Then it's a whole season of bad plays. Ha!

LOL

1-2-3 :Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

[REB]

"I disagree Crow. Pats is very liked in these parts. He's a classy poster who knows the game. His only flaw is having no clue how to pick an NFL team to cheer for.
If the Pats beat the Broncos, Pats is welcome here anytime by myself. I can't speak for anyone else, But I'm sure the regulars here would agree with my take.
Unfortunately, I can't say the same for you because you're not as known as Pats is."

I definately agree Philly. :thumbsup:

1-2-3 :Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

[Crowpointer]

"I disagree Crow. Pats is very liked in these parts. He's a classy poster who knows the game. His only flaw is having no clue how to pick an NFL team to cheer for.
If the Pats beat the Broncos, Pats is welcome here anytime by myself. I can't speak for anyone else, But I'm sure the regulars here would agree with my take.
Unfortunately, I can't say the same for you because you're not as known as Pats is."

I definately agree Philly. :thumbsup:

1-2-3 :Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:
I look forward to meeting you at the tailgate too. I'll be the guy with Patriots coat on.

[Lidderer]

Nobody ever said they were. Its going to be a hell of a game. It wouldnt be in the prime Sat night slot if it werent.

for the sake of clarification: i didn't matter if we played the bengals or the pats, the game was slotted for 8pm before the matchup was decided.

[davdog]

I'm not guaranteeing a Broncos' win, but I don't think anyone east of the Rocky Mountains comprehends the challenge the Patriots are facing.

Or perhaps they are kidding themselves into thinking "wishing" will help the Patriots' chances in Denver.


You've got to be kidding. The ponies have had the upper hand on the pats for as long as I can remember. Only some kid wouldn't realize how tough it is to go into Denver and win. Every member of the pats who's been around a while will remember that long beating streak we suffered at the hands of the ponies. I for one look at this as the pats revenge. Your ponies got beat by the jags back in '97 and that was to be our revenge year but I guess this year will have to be.

[Boogerboots]

The thing that kils me about this whole playoff senario is that Indy is going to skate to the AFC championship game while the Broncos and Patshave to slug it out. The only way the Steelers have a chance is if Kimo von Waffleburger does his patented leg roll on Manning. Otherwise we'll be seeing a replay of their Monday nighter a few weeks back.

As for the Broncos vs Pats, well after 8 pages of input it's hard not to repeat what's been said. The Pats won't be the same team we saw earlier this year and hopefully we won't let them back into the game like we did in the 2nd half.

But the key I'm going to look for is whether we can get the same pressure on Brady as we did earlier in the season. Sure we didn't get any sacks or INTs but he was thrown off his game. Should be interesting to see if Coyer will unleash Lynch and LB blitzes and let our corners fend for themselves or are we going to go more conservative on D.

[ND Bronco Fan]

I like my chances with Shanahan having a week and a half to prepare for the Pats (assuming he set up a couple game plans for potential teams to play this week)

[terry251973]

after hearing them damn steelers say the injury to palmer didnt change the outcome i want to see peyton rip them to pieces even though i would like to see an afc title game in denver.i hate the colts but theres no place for for that kinda talk from the steelers.im not a cincy fan but i am the first to tell you that without your starting QB you are fked.i would like to see how well indy,new eng or the steelers would do without there starting QB.They would be fcked too.i can guarantee you theres a big difference between big ben playing and tommy maddox.and in other news the pats should just stay home and save therselves some embarassment or because the media already has chose them to meet the colts.GO FIGURE.

[davdog]

after hearing them damn steelers say the injury to palmer didnt change the outcome i want to see peyton rip them to pieces even though i would like to see an afc title game in denver.i hate the colts but theres no place for for that kinda talk from the steelers.im not a cincy fan but i am the first to tell you that without your starting QB you are fked.i would like to see how well indy,new eng or the steelers would do without there starting QB.They would be fcked too.i can guarantee you theres a big difference between big ben playing and tommy maddox.and in other news the pats should just stay home and save therselves some embarassment or because the media already has chose them to meet the colts.GO FIGURE.


That's JUST the media that has picked them. We pats fans realize the battle the pats are in for. I still believe we will win but of course it could go either way, it all depends on if the pats can stop the running game.

[Mile High Shack]

That's JUST the media that has picked them. We pats fans realize the battle the pats are in for. I still believe we will win but of course it could go either way, it all depends on if the pats can stop the running game.

Plummer ripped your secondary a new one last time we played

so you don't just have to stop the running game

your secondary sucks

[davdog]

Plummer ripped your secondary a new one last time we played

so you don't just have to stop the running game

your secondary sucks

They don't suck any more, now they're just OK at best. BUT BB can sure put togeather a game plan for an OK secondary as he did last year in case you forgot.

[Mile High Shack]

They don't suck any more, now they're just OK at best. BUT BB can sure put togeather a game plan for an OK secondary as he did last year in case you forgot.

who can forget

I turn on ESPN and I see Bellicheck floating over water at any point in time

[fontaine]

Yeah, I'm very worried.

I'm very worried for the Patriots because Wilson, Lynch and co. are going to mess them up so badly, they won't be able to whine about how they get no respect.

[davdog]

Yeah, I'm very worried.

I'm very worried for the Patriots because Wilson, Lynch and co. are going to mess them up so badly, they won't be able to whine about how they get no respect.


Be real.

[terry251973]

Be real.
why should he be real when the whole civilized world isnt being real in picking a 13-3 2nd seed that is undefeated at home and healthy to lose to a team only because they won the superbowl last year.i suppose no matter how bad you play if you are the defending superbowl champs then you are picked to win every game.if you look at every game this year that the pats have played you will probably see that the media picked them to win all of them.

[Mile High Shack]

why should he be real when the whole civilized world isnt being real in picking a 13-3 2nd seed that is undefeated at home and healthy to lose to a team only because they won the superbowl last year.i suppose no matter how bad you play if you are the defending superbowl champs then you are picked to win every game.if you look at every game this year that the pats have played you will probably see that the media picked them to win all of them.

who have the Pats beaten in the 2nd half of the season that makes them legit?

I don't see one winning team sans the Jags...who let's face it...were scared of the Pats and Leftwhich had no business being in that game, he was rusty as crap and couldn't move much

[davdog]

why should he be real when the whole civilized world isnt being real in picking a 13-3 2nd seed that is undefeated at home and healthy to lose to a team only because they won the superbowl last year.i suppose no matter how bad you play if you are the defending superbowl champs then you are picked to win every game.if you look at every game this year that the pats have played you will probably see that the media picked them to win all of them.


We in NE realize we have taken a beating at the hands of the ponies for many, many years. Us older pats fans hate the broncos with almost the same fervor that we hate the colts. We will never forget that pony player and the "you better call the militia" phone call he made from the sideline. We hated Elway always finding a way to beat us. We would love nothing more then for the pats to come in pony land and whupp their butt. Heck we hated the orange crush. I don't think you folks in pony land realize how much of a beating your team has inflicted on ours over the years.

[terry251973]

who have the Pats beaten in the 2nd half of the season that makes them legit?

I don't see one winning team sans the Jags...who let's face it...were scared of the Pats and Leftwhich had no business being in that game, he was rusty as crap and couldn't move much
its nice to know someone around here actually pays attention to how teams play and who they play before they get all sucky on them.look i know that the pats are the defending champs but i still havent heard one reason that the pats can win besides that they are defending champs.ever heard of paper champion because thats all i see in the pats this year.only way new england stays close in this game is if the pats can run the ball and we all know the answer to that.passing every down gets you a one way trip home and the same goes for us.

[terry251973]

We in NE realize we have taken a beating at the hands of the ponies for many, many years. Us older pats fans hate the broncos with almost the same fervor that we hate the colts. We will never forget that pony player and the "you better call the militia" phone call he made from the sideline. We hated Elway always finding a way to beat us. We would love nothing more then for the pats to come in pony land and whupp their butt. Heck we hated the orange crush. I don't think you folks in pony land realize how much of a beating your team has inflicted on ours over the years.
hey man its all in fun.i understand you defending your team.you wouldnt be a fan if you didnt.i would do the same.i am just being real that i dont see how the pats will win unless denver really plays poorly which can hapopen but i doubt.just like i am realistic in saying pitt is going to get the hell beat out of them.

[fontaine]

Be real.

About what? As I recall our defense knocked Brady on his azz more than a few times. You saying we can't do it again with a depleted Pats OL?

But here's another take that is more indepth if you don't like what you hear:


fontaine
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Broncos On Offense:

New England does a great job mixing up their front 7 and with Seymour healthy again, they'll have a terror on the inside and outside because they move him around so much. Denver will struggle running inside and the Pats are very disciplined in limited big gains so we'll use the running game to keep the chains moving but need to mix it up with the pass.

Denver's real advantage lies in the passing game. NE have, frankly, stunk all year long against the pass, they hardly get any ints and TEs have been gashing them all year long. This is the type of game where Lelie is going to show up and make a claim as a legitimate WR or just a gimmick deep threat guy because we will need him. He did have a solid game the first time against the Pats depleted secondary and that should help. We'll need to get Jeb involved in the passing game early since their safeties have struggled against TEs and their best coverage LB in Phifer is gone.

Plummer will need to have one of his efficient games again and our OL will be fine against their front 7. As long as we can limit what Seymour does we should be fine since he's the centerpiece of that defense with Bruschi injured.

Broncos on defense:

Forget about Watson and Graham. Denver has been one of the best teams against TEs this year largely due to Gold/DJ and Ferguson/Brandon and considering we've played guys like Gonzo/Gates twice this season I'm confident we'll shut them down just like earlier this season. We'll need to keep these guys in check in the red zone because Brady does such a great job finding them for TDs.

NE seems to have solved their OL woes by moving their RT around to the left side and their two WRs Givens/Branch do a great job of getting open quickly for short gains and turning them into YAC.

You can't really shut down Brady, since he doesn't get rattled by the pass rush and is arguebly the best big game QB around. The plan here will be to force NE to go to their strength with Brady and the passing game by shutting down Dillon who's been pretty banged up this year and inefficient.

If we can do this, then it's up to Champ/Fox/Dwill to keep up with their WRs and since we have a really good tackling secondary I'll be happy to let them have their receptions because we'll limit them to dink and dunk stuff. Ideally, we can alternate between flooding players into coverage and using Lynch/Gold/Dwill etc to blitz Brady depending how they line up with their TEs. The best scenario would be if we can shut down Dillon which I'm confident we can, and force Brady to throw a lot of quick dumpoff and short passes to Patrick Pass/Faulk which we can handle.

It's going to be one of those games where we should win because of our ability to stop the run and establish our own running game against a weak run defense. If we can do that early then expect a repeat of what happened earlier this season. If not, if the Pats keep close till halftime then the advantage goes to them since Brady is so clutch and they are so used to winning tight games in the playoffs.

[davdog]

its nice to know someone around here actually pays attention to how teams play and who they play before they get all sucky on them.look i know that the pats are the defending champs but i still havent heard one reason that the pats can win besides that they are defending champs.ever heard of paper champion because thats all i see in the pats this year.only way new england stays close in this game is if the pats can run the ball and we all know the answer to that.passing every down gets you a one way trip home and the same goes for us.

I think it plays to the pats favor that on defense their strength is against the run, obviously a pony strong point, while they are weak against the pass, which wasn't a pony strong point. On the other hand the pats are number one in the league in the passing game and that is the ponies weak point defensively as they finished just ahead of the pats in that catagory. So it comes down to a strong running team against a farily tough running defense and a strong passing team against a weak passing defense.

[Mile High Shack]

I think it plays to the pats favor that on defense their strength is against the run, obviously a pony strong point, while they are weak against the pass, which wasn't a pony strong point. On the other hand the pats are number one in the league in the passing game and that is the ponies weak point defensively as they finished just ahead of the pats in that catagory. So it comes down to a strong running team against a farily tough running defense and a strong passing team against a weak passing defense.

if you look deeper into those stats

you'll see we are bad against the pass, but we are the most passed against team and still QBs complete a low % against us

so go ahead and pass, pass, pass

that's not how you win in the playoffs

[davdog]

if you look deeper into those stats

you'll see we are bad against the pass, but we are the most passed against team and still QBs complete a low % against us

so go ahead and pass, pass, pass

that's not how you win in the playoffs

The pats only need to hit their 95 yard rushing average to allow Brady to pick apart that pony seconday. BUT the pats D needs to stop that pony running attack or Brady won't have much time on the field. To me that's the key, the pats must figure out a way to either stop the ponie's running attack or run the ball themselves to keep the ponie's O off the field. The pats running the ball will be tough but I can see them coming up with a way to force Jake to beat them.

[fontaine]

The pats only need to hit their 95 yard rushing average to allow Brady to pick apart that pony seconday.

Is that why Brady has thrown for 12 TDs and 12 Ints in all away games? He's a great QB at home but his play drops off a lot out of Gillette.

[sirhcyennek81]

This pony **** is making me miss chief-chargers-raiders constant referrals to us as donkeys. The patriots are the ones coming here, having to find a new way to beat us. We have had two weeks to scheme and prepare, Patriots are done. Nice run. go home.

:Broncos:

[PatriotReign37]

Is that why Brady has thrown for 12 TDs and 12 Ints in all away games? He's a great QB at home but his play drops off a lot out of Gillette.


Wrong http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BradTo00.htm

Brady has 14 TDS and 3 INT's in the postseason

1 INT home vs Oakland 2001
1 INT home vs Indy 2003
1 INT SBXXXVIII vs Carolina 2003

[shaftedelic]

Plummer ripped your secondary a new one last time we played

so you don't just have to stop the running game

your secondary sucks

I remember the Jasonville fans saying the same thing... Of course they longer remember that after seeing the hits from Samuel and Wilson.

[shaftedelic]

Is that why Brady has thrown for 12 TDs and 12 Ints in all away games? He's a great QB at home but his play drops off a lot out of Gillette.


One regular season doesn't make Plummer the all great QB.. He still has the ability to make a lot of mistakes and will once he gets some pressure. If you remember the meeting earlier this year, the Pats almost came back and won that game, and that was with almost everyone out and a secondary that didn't know who was playing until after the game started. It's a different team now.

[fontaine]

Wrong http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BradTo00.htm

Brady has 14 TDS and 3 INT's in the postseason

1 INT home vs Oakland 2001
1 INT home vs Indy 2003
1 INT SBXXXVIII vs Carolina 2003

I'm talking about this year away from home in the regular season.

[shaftedelic]

Wrong http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BradTo00.htm

Brady has 14 TDS and 3 INT's in the postseason

1 INT home vs Oakland 2001
1 INT home vs Indy 2003
1 INT SBXXXVIII vs Carolina 2003


Don't foget about the big zero in the loss column.

[fontaine]

One regular season doesn't make Plummer the all great QB.. He still has the ability to make a lot of mistakes and will once he gets some pressure. If you remember the meeting earlier this year, the Pats almost came back and won that game, and that was with almost everyone out and a secondary that didn't know who was playing until after the game started. It's a different team now.


Yes, the Pats are on a roll which is why I've already said plenty of times that if they keep it close at halftime then I see them winning it since I haven't been impressed by Denver's 2nd half offense this year.

But, ofcourse Denver has been great all year long in dictating early and jumping out to a lead to bleed the clock with our running game. It'll be an awesome first half of football, and I know there's a tremendous amount of repsect between Bellicheck and Shanahan so it'll be interesting.

[shaftedelic]

I'm talking about this year away from home in the regular season.

Your also talking about a team that had no RB's at times. When your starting players off the street, other teams don't really beleive your going to run the ball. Now that Faulk and Dillon are back, it's a much different offense. Not to mention that Watson is really starting to shine.. He's got his bad moments, but he's a monster when he's running down the field.

[PatriotReign37]

I'm talking about this year away from home in the regular season.


Brady typically elevates his game to the next level for the playoffs. Reg season performances havent had a bearing on the post season thus far.

2001 18tds 12ints 66% int rate
2003 23tds 12ints 69% int rate
2004 28tds 14ints 50% int rate

Prior to Sat game vs Jax Brady had 11tds and 3ints for a 27% int rate. He might only throw 1 TD pass, but will move the ball via the air to score via the run. Most importantly limiting mistakes.

[The Big E]

Wrong http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BradTo00.htm

Brady has 14 TDS and 3 INT's in the postseason

1 INT home vs Oakland 2001
1 INT home vs Indy 2003
1 INT SBXXXVIII vs Carolina 2003
Don't forget about his fumble at the end of the game against Oakland, 2001.;)

[sonsofkraftybob]

Don't forget about his fumble at the end of the game against Oakland, 2001.;)

Spoken like a true Raider fan.

[bendog]

Spoken like a true Raider fan.
that was uncalled for

[The Big E]

that was uncalled for
:thumbs: Thanks for having my back..

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Stats are for losers. Like that idiot over on the Pats board thinking there's some amazing difference between 4.0 and 3.6 YPC.

Scoreboard is what matters and, as we've seen in the Pats championship runs, Denver still has the advantage.

[terry251973]

One regular season doesn't make Plummer the all great QB.. He still has the ability to make a lot of mistakes and will once he gets some pressure. If you remember the meeting earlier this year, the Pats almost came back and won that game, and that was with almost everyone out and a secondary that didn't know who was playing until after the game started. It's a different team now.
im sorry but your boys are not the only team that came back on us so you cant use that as a chance we might lose.besides the broncos have fixed that problem.last several teams have gottten there ass handed to them.

[bendog]

im sorry but your boys are not the only team that came back on us so you cant use that as a chance we might lose.besides the broncos have fixed that problem.last several teams have gottten there ass handed to them.
I'm not making predictions, aside from saying aside from Jax, this is the team I feared the least, though I didn't think Palmer would blow a knee either. But, shanny's been staying aggressive on offense no matter what the score, and of course Coyer ditched the two deep, rush 3 or 4.

[Mediator12]

Your also talking about a team that had no RB's at times. When your starting players off the street, other teams don't really beleive your going to run the ball. Now that Faulk and Dillon are back, it's a much different offense. Not to mention that Watson is really starting to shine.. He's got his bad moments, but he's a monster when he's running down the field.

Wow!

The Broncos Defense goes against KC and SD offenses twice a year and routinely kicks their asses at home in Mile High. Those teams have the last 5 ALL-Pro TE's, Way Better OL's, and Much Better Running backs than Dillon and Faulk. Denver started their fourth string RB for 12 games last year and he ran for 1300 yards. If NE could run the ball they would have. Plus, Denver has the second best run defense in the league. Not AFC, the NFL. I hope Corey gets plenty of touches.

Gates and Gonzo were very Ineffective versus the Broncos Defense this year too. KC rushed for 79 yards and SD 74 @ Mile High. Pats fans have a lot of faith in Brady, but he is not going to get to play Denver's second string secondary in the second half either. Both Champ Bailey and Darrent Williams missed significant portions of that second half comeback including all three scoring drives. Their reserves have started games and know the system better now, just like NE's secondary. Difference being that Denver has better depth now if injuries do occur.

[terry251973]

wow.dan patrick just said find out why denver is in big trouble on sportscenter coming up tonight.what happened in denver today?did rod smith get injured or jake or our rbs?

[Paladin]

Nah. Brady took a dump and is lighter on his feet now.

[terry251973]

i just think dan patrick is a fag and wants tom brady.

[Odysseus]

I've never seen so many scared Patriots fans in my whole life. Get it out of your system boys. I was actually concerned about this game. Whew! rofl

[Bronx33]

i just think dan patrick is a fag and wants tom brady.

He has to fight madden first..

[terry251973]

yep.theres basing it on history that denver will lose.in that case john elway didnt really win 2 superbowls.it was just a dream or something i smoked.Hilarious!

[Needa Pass Rush]

One regular season doesn't make Plummer the all great QB.. He still has the ability to make a lot of mistakes and will once he gets some pressure. If you remember the meeting earlier this year, the Pats almost came back and won that game, and that was with almost everyone out and a secondary that didn't know who was playing until after the game started. It's a different team now.


And maybe BB was on the last page of his playbook while Shanahan was sitting on his....knowing this weekend was coming. Betcha di'n't think 'bout dat, dicha?? :wiggle:

[Odysseus]

:espnsux: :espnsux: :espnsux:

Do you notice how quiet it is. They are trying to get the players to crack.

As long as none of the Broncos players are stupid enough to take the bait the game things should go as expected.

[PatriotReign37]

Don't forget about his fumble at the end of the game against Oakland, 2001.;)

Forward pass

If you knew anything about the game you would know the very first thing a refree determines after a QB loses the ball passing under pressure is - was his arm moving forward? Simple as that. Bradys arm was in a forward passing motion when the ball became dislodged. INCOMPLEEEEETE

[terry251973]

Forward pass

If you knew anything about the game you would know the very first thing a refree determines after a QB loses the ball passing under pressure is - was his arm moving forward? Simple as that. Bradys arm was in a forward passing motion when the ball became dislodged. INCOMPLEEEEETE
arm going forward AKA. horse****.

[PatriotReign37]

I've never seen so many scared Patriots fans in my whole life. Get it out of your system boys. I was actually concerned about this game. Whew! rofl


SCARED??? Bwaaaaaahhhhh

Keep dreaming.

[PatriotReign37]

arm going forward AKA. horse****.

Thats the truth.

If he was spiking the ball to the ground and it comes out its still and incomplete pass. In a forward passing motion only 3 things can occur- reception, incompletion and INT. You cant have a fumble with a forward pass.

[elsid13]

He has to fight madden first..


Madden already has Brett Farve

[Bronx33]

Madden already has Brett Farve

Hes a big man he can handle up the 3 QBs so the threesome will be filled out with peyton manning.

[Hulamau]

Whoever is going to the game should each bring a big sign and wave it all game long saying "Yell like a Mother Fvvcker" for each section they are in.

The 12th man could have a real impact on this game. Particularly if we get an early lead and "Pretty Boy Who Gets No Respect" has to drop back and pass he way out of trouble.

We have benefited a lot the past two months from other teams shootin' themselves in the foot with timely and stupid penalites. The Pats won't do that voluntarily so we have to coax it out of then with 120dB volume at Invesco whenever they are in the huddle and at the line.

[Bronx33]

Whoever is going to the game should each bring a big sign and wave it all game long saying "Yell like a Mother Fvvcker" for each section they are in.

The 12th man could have a real impact on this game. Particularly if we get an early lead and "Pretty Boy Who Gets No Respect" has to drop back and pass he way out of trouble.

We have benefited a lot the past two months from other teams shootin' themselves in the foot with timely and stupid penalites. The Pats won't do that voluntarily so we have to coax it out of then with 120dB volume at Invesco whenever they are in the huddle and at the line.


It's going to be loud don't worry, iam going to bit** slap every bronco fan i see sitting on their hands.

[RMT]

It's going to be loud don't worry, iam going to bit** slap every bronco fan i see sitting on their hands.

The key is how long we fans continue to maintain the noise level, especially if/when the Patriots threaten to tie or take the lead.

[Broncoman13]

Wow!

The Broncos Defense goes against KC and SD offenses twice a year and routinely kicks their asses at home in Mile High. Those teams have the last 5 ALL-Pro TE's, Way Better OL's, and Much Better Running backs than Dillon and Faulk. Denver started their fourth string RB for 12 games last year and he ran for 1300 yards. If NE could run the ball they would have. Plus, Denver has the second best run defense in the league. Not AFC, the NFL. I hope Corey gets plenty of touches.

Gates and Gonzo were very Ineffective versus the Broncos Defense this year too. KC rushed for 79 yards and SD 74 @ Mile High. Pats fans have a lot of faith in Brady, but he is not going to get to play Denver's second string secondary in the second half either. Both Champ Bailey and Darrent Williams missed significant portions of that second half comeback including all three scoring drives. Their reserves have started games and know the system better now, just like NE's secondary. Difference being that Denver has better depth now if injuries do occur.


That's what I've been trying to say. They think b/c they are getting some players back for this matchup that it's a completely different story, but if they'd pull their collective heads out of Brady's ass they'd know that we were in a similar situation for nearly the entire 2nd half. Even when Champ was playing in the first half he wasn't 100%.

[The Big E]

Their D should be stronger, but I don't see how their O is gonig to be all that different. Dillon doesn't look like he's really back, although Faulk is a big bonus for them.

I respectfully remember Brady getting hit quite a bit in the first game, and I expect some more of that this time, with no letup. I would never underestimate NE, but I think we're even better and healthier now than we were in the first meeting. This is going to be an awesome game.

[RMT]

Their D should be stronger, but I don't see how their O is gonig to be all that different. Dillon doesn't look like he's really back, although Faulk is a big bonus for them.

I respectfully remember Brady getting hit quite a bit in the first game, and I expect some more of that this time, with no letup. I would never underestimate NE, but I think we're even better and healthier now than we were in the first meeting. This is going to be an awesome game.

People forget that the Broncos are playing a LOT better now than when they played the Patriots the first time, too. And the Broncos were VERY physical in that game. I expect the Broncos to play some VERY physical football on Saturday, especially when they are backed by a LOUD stadium full of fanatics.

[40yrpatsfan]

There's a wee bit of overconfidence on this board imo. Anyone who thinks the Broncos are going to have their way all night long with this Patriots team is on crack. There are 30 guys on that team that have 2 rings each, plus a bunch that have 3. They are almost back to full strength. They haven't had to work up a sweat for about a month now. They have the best QB, the best coach, and the best front 7 in football. They will not be affected by a crowd. They will smother the run, confuse the QB, and move the ball up and down the field.

The October game meant nothing. I guess you're in for a surprise, though it won't be a surprise at all. How many times does NE have to prove it?

There are no guarantees either way. The Broncos are very good and could win it. But you better believe that in the 4th quarter you'll be sweating bullets wondering how the hell you thought this game was going to be a runaway.

[terry251973]

There's a wee bit of overconfidence on this board imo. Anyone who thinks the Broncos are going to have their way all night long with this Patriots team is on crack. There are 30 guys on that team that have 2 rings each, plus a bunch that have 3. They are almost back to full strength. They haven't had to work up a sweat for about a month now. They have the best QB, the best coach, and the best front 7 in football. They will not be affected by a crowd. They will smother the run, confuse the QB, and move the ball up and down the field.

The October game meant nothing. I guess you're in for a surprise, though it won't be a surprise at all. How many times does NE have to prove it?

There are no guarantees either way. The Broncos are very good and could win it. But you better believe that in the 4th quarter you'll be sweating bullets wondering how the hell you thought this game was going to be a runaway.
patriots havent proved jack chit to denver because we own you.your boys definately didnt beat denver to go to them superbowls.just because the colts laid down for you doesnt mean we will.

[40yrpatsfan]

patriots havent proved jack chit to denver because we own you.your boys definately didnt beat denver to go to them superbowls.just because the colts laid down for you doesnt mean we will.

You better get ready for some football bacause the champs are coming to town. Nobody's laying down for nobody.

Like I said, the Broncos are good enough to win this game. But so is NE, and it will be a nailbiter to the end.

The image a lot of you guys have of a soft Patriots team is going to change, now that your team is between them and their 3rd straight SB.

[PatsWin2002]

patriots havent proved jack chit to denver because we own you.your boys definately didnt beat denver to go to them superbowls.just because the colts laid down for you doesnt mean we will.

Man, none of that matters. Live in the present. I think 40yrpatsfan laid it out very well.

The fact is that we are better now than when we played earlier, but you may be too.

You have a huge home field advantage. You have a great and worthy coach and he's put together a helluva team. You've got veteran leadership too.

THOSE are the reasons you may win this weekend....not because Elway never lost to us.

This Pats team doesn't care about that stuff anyway. The noise in the stadium and the thin mountain air are real factors.

Like I told Mock in a PM, this game has the potential to be several smaller games in one because of the chess match between the head coaches. Both are very good at making halftime and in-game adjustments so I think there will be some ebb and flow to this showdown.

And just because you lost to Indy last year and we beat them has nothing to do with what may happen this year. It changes from year to year - each year every team creates a new identity for themselves.

[Merlin]

As already been stated, NE has not played well this yr against good team. Jax is nowhere near as strong now as they were earlier in the yr, and Denver dominated them in their turf. NE's running game was poor against Jax, even though the game was in NE. Their rush will be even worse at Denver because it is away, and Denver has a better D against the run than Jax. Denver is rated top 5 in points against even though it played many games against the leagues best Os, the same cannot be said about the poor NE schedule. Denver dominated NEs O in the first half. NE came back in the second half, but it was against a different D (the 2 principle CBs were injured).

Denver's D has not only gotten much better than when it last faced NE, but its CBs are even better now (than the ones that shut down NE in the first half in the first game). BB is a great coach, but he has had many troubles against Shanny. In fact BB has only won 1 of the last 4 games, and it was against a third string QB (that had been recently been called from the streets), and it took a boneheaded play by a CB (a player no longer here), for BB to get the win. So no matter how you cut it, it is advantage Denver; however, they must play the game because on any given Sunday...

[PatsWin2002]

As already been stated, NE has not played well this yr against good team. Jax is nowhere near as strong now as they were earlier in the yr, and Denver dominated them in their turf. NE's running game was poor against Jax, even though the game was in NE. Their rush will be even worse at Denver because it is away, and Denver has a better D against the run than Jax. Denver is rated top 5 in points against even though it played many games against the leagues best Os, the same cannot be said about the poor NE schedule. Denver dominated NEs O in the first half. NE came back in the second half, but it was against a different D (the 2 principle CBs were injured).

Denver's D has not only gotten much better than when it last faced NE, but its CBs are even better now (than the ones that shut down NE in the first half in the first game). BB is a great coach, but he has had many troubles against Shanny. In fact BB has only won 1 of the last 4 games, and it was against a third string QB (that had been recently been called from the streets), and it took a boneheaded play by a CB (a player no longer here), for BB to get the win. So no matter how you cut it, it is advantage Denver; however, they must play the game because on any given Sunday...

I say you gotta throw out all those stats because we played the tough part of our schedule when we were weakest. Key injuries piled up, but just as the team started to get healthier, the schedule got easier. I think it's just a weird timing thing coupled with the way our schedule was frontloaded.

All I kept saying during those losses was "I don't care - as long as we get enough of our team back in December and January to have a shot at defending the crown."

And that has happened. We're not as good as last year mostly because of the loss of Rodney Harrison. Losing Matt Light hurt too, but life goes on.

When Seymour came back he started to draw doubleteams and the next thing you know Wilfork looked better and Colvin returned to old form. And Bruschi came back and got better every week. Then the secondary was able to do things they had been unable to do previously.

I could bore you with meaningless stats about Belichick's playoff record with Brady and that Tom is 9-0 or whatever and like 28-0 when the temperature is below 40F (not sure about that last stat, but there's one like that out there).

But none of that matters this weekend, does it?

[Odysseus]

SCARED??? Bwaaaaaahhhhh

Keep dreaming.

We'll see whose dreaming very soon.