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Spider
01-04-2006, 08:39 AM
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/01/04/bush_could_bypass_new_torture_ban?mode=PF
Bush could bypass new torture ban
Waiver right is reserved

By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | January 4, 2006

WASHINGTON -- When President Bush last week signed the bill outlawing the torture of detainees, he quietly reserved the right to bypass the law under his powers as commander in chief.

After approving the bill last Friday, Bush issued a ''signing statement" -- an official document in which a president lays out his interpretation of a new law -- declaring that he will view the interrogation limits in the context of his broader powers to protect national security. This means Bush believes he can waive the restrictions, the White House and legal specialists said.

''The executive branch shall construe [the law] in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President . . . as Commander in Chief," Bush wrote, adding that this approach ''will assist in achieving the shared objective of the Congress and the President . . . of protecting the American people from further terrorist attacks."

Some legal specialists said yesterday that the president's signing statement, which was posted on the White House website but had gone unnoticed over the New Year's weekend, raises serious questions about whether he intends to follow the law.

A senior administration official, who spoke to a Globe reporter about the statement on condition of anonymity because he is not an official spokesman, said the president intended to reserve the right to use harsher methods in special situations involving national security.

''We are not going to ignore this law," the official said, noting that Bush, when signing laws, routinely issues signing statements saying he will construe them consistent with his own constitutional authority. ''We consider it a valid statute. We consider ourselves bound by the prohibition on cruel, unusual, and degrading treatment."

But, the official said, a situation could arise in which Bush may have to waive the law's restrictions to carry out his responsibilities to protect national security. He cited as an example a ''ticking time bomb" scenario, in which a detainee is believed to have information that could prevent a planned terrorist attack.

''Of course the president has the obligation to follow this law, [but] he also has the obligation to defend and protect the country as the commander in chief, and he will have to square those two responsibilities in each case," the official added. ''We are not expecting that those two responsibilities will come into conflict, but it's possible that they will."

David Golove, a New York University law professor who specializes in executive power issues, said that the signing statement means that Bush believes he can still authorize harsh interrogation tactics when he sees fit.

''The signing statement is saying 'I will only comply with this law when I want to, and if something arises in the war on terrorism where I think it's important to torture or engage in cruel, inhuman, and degrading conduct, I have the authority to do so and nothing in this law is going to stop me,' " he said. ''They don't want to come out and say it directly because it doesn't sound very nice, but it's unmistakable to anyone who has been following what's going on."

Golove and other legal specialists compared the signing statement to Bush's decision, revealed last month, to bypass a 1978 law forbidding domestic wiretapping without a warrant. Bush authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans' international phone calls and e-mails without a court order starting after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The president and his aides argued that the Constitution gives the commander in chief the authority to bypass the 1978 law when necessary to protect national security. They also argued that Congress implicitly endorsed that power when it authorized the use of force against the perpetrators of the attacks.

Legal academics and human rights organizations said Bush's signing statement and his stance on the wiretapping law are part of a larger agenda that claims exclusive control of war-related matters for the executive branch and holds that any involvement by Congress or the courts should be minimal.

Vice President Dick Cheney recently told reporters, ''I believe in a strong, robust executive authority, and I think that the world we live in demands it. . . . I would argue that the actions that we've taken are totally appropriate and consistent with the constitutional authority of the president."

Since the 2001 attacks, the administration has also asserted the power to bypass domestic and international laws in deciding how to detain prisoners captured in the Afghanistan war. It also has claimed the power to hold any US citizen Bush designates an ''enemy combatant" without charges or access to an attorney.

And in 2002, the administration drafted a secret legal memo holding that Bush could authorize interrogators to violate antitorture laws when necessary to protect national security. After the memo was leaked to the press, the administration eliminated the language from a subsequent version, but it never repudiated the idea that Bush could authorize officials to ignore a law.

The issue heated up again in January 2005. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales disclosed during his confirmation hearing that the administration believed that antitorture laws and treaties did not restrict interrogators at overseas prisons because the Constitution does not apply abroad.

In response, Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, filed an amendment to a Defense Department bill explicitly saying that that the cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment of detainees in US custody is illegal regardless of where they are held.

McCain's office did not return calls seeking comment yesterday.

The White House tried hard to kill the McCain amendment. Cheney lobbied Congress to exempt the CIA from any interrogation limits, and Bush threatened to veto the bill, arguing that the executive branch has exclusive authority over war policy.

But after veto-proof majorities in both houses of Congress approved it, Bush called a press conference with McCain, praised the measure, and said he would accept it.

Legal specialists said the president's signing statement called into question his comments at the press conference.

''The whole point of the McCain Amendment was to close every loophole," said Marty Lederman, a Georgetown University law professor who served in the Justice Department from 1997 to 2002. ''The president has re-opened the loophole by asserting the constitutional authority to act in violation of the statute where it would assist in the war on terrorism."

Elisa Massimino, Washington director for Human Rights Watch, called Bush's signing statement an ''in-your-face affront" to both McCain and to Congress.

''The basic civics lesson that there are three co-equal branches of government that provide checks and balances on each other is being fundamentally rejected by this executive branch," she said.

''Congress is trying to flex its muscle to provide those checks [on detainee abuse], and it's being told through the signing statement that it's impotent. It's quite a radical view."

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-04-2006, 04:03 PM
Well, we already know that, in his mind, the boy king is the law and can do whatever he wants without answering to either the legislative or judicial branches, so this really shouldn't come as a surprise.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-04-2006, 04:13 PM
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-04-2006, 06:08 PM
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Dizlexus
01-05-2006, 08:49 AM
they built 3 provisions into the bann making it meaningless any way -- there is no REAL bann on torture and McCane is a scumbagg cloaked by flase "Principal". Please excuse the stupid "=20" at the end of every line -- techknowledgy!

> Liberty Beat
> McCain's Retreat
> Praise for the president's yielding to John=20
> McCain ignored the awful details in fine print
>
> by Nat Hentoff
> December 23rd, 2005 6:03 PM
>
> "Now we can move forward and make sure that the=20
> whole world knows that, as the president has=20
> stated many times, we do not practice cruel,=20
> inhuman treatment or torture." John McCain, at=20
> the White House, December 15, sitting alongside=20
> George W. Bush
>
> Concessions already obtained by the=20
> administration from Mr. McCain, and a separate=20
> amendment [agreed to by McCain] authored by=20
> Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), could prevent=20
> any foreign detainee from seeking relief in a=20
> U.S. court in the event that he was tortured. . .=20
> =2E Mr. Graham and Senator Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.)=20
> recently agreed [along with Senator McCain] to=20
> yet another administration provision that=20
> would-incredibly-allow evidence obtained by=20
> torture to be considered by military review=20
> panels (at Guant=E1namo.) Editorial, The Washington=20
> Post, December 16, the very day after Bush and=20
> McCain congratulated each other on ending human=20
> rights abuses, including torture, of U.S.=20
> prisoners anywhere in the world
>
> Newspaper editorials after the McCain-Bush summit=20
> meeting cele- brating America's dedication to=20
> human rights were glowing: "President Backs=20
> McCain on Abuse" ( The New York Times); "Bush=20
> Backs Down on Proposed Torture Ban" ( USA Today);=20
> "White House, McCain Reach Deal on Terror Suspect=20
> Torture Policy" ( The New York Sun); "Principled=20
> McCain Prevails Over the White House" ( Financial=20
> Times, U.S. edition, December 17/18)
>
> In a few of the stories, those readers going=20
> beneath the headlines found harsh revelations of=20
> the shell game that McCain and Bush are playing.=20
> These discoveries add to the accelerating=20
> exposure of how George W. Bush-with the=20
> cooperation of the once principled John McCain=20
> and of other members of Congress-is engaging in=20
> the cruel and inhumane debasing of the values we=20
> are fighting for against homicidal terrorists.
>
> To begin, McCain, before his White House=20
> rapprochement with the president, had accepted=20
> administration language in his human rights=20
> amendment to give paid legal counsel and a=20
> certain amount of legal protection to=20
> interrogators-including the CIA's-accused of=20
> abusing prisoners. Their defense would be that a=20
> "person of ordinary sense and understanding would=20
> not know the practices were unlawful." Also, as=20
> at the Nuremberg trials after World War II, the=20
> defendants would say they were only following=20
> orders.
>
> But as Josh White pointed out in the December 16=20
> Washington Post, if these orders were plainly=20
> illegal, they would have to be disobeyed. In that=20
> case, what penalties would the commanders=20
> themselves, who gave the unlawful orders, face-=20
> including the top of the command at the Defense=20
> Department, the Justice Department, and the White=20
> House?
>
> The Bush administration pressured McCain to=20
> accept this additional language in fear that,=20
> eventually, courts would decide that U.S.=20
> "coercive interrogations" have indeed violated=20
> U.S. law and international treaties we have=20
> signed. The ACLU and human rights organizations=20
> have already filed lawsuits making these claims=20
> against high levels of the administration.
>
> Much more serious- and ignored by most of the=20
> media-is an amendment- voted for by McCain-to the=20
> Defense Authorization bill by Lindsey Graham=20
> (R-South Carolina), Carl Levin (D-Michigan), and=20
> Jon Kyl (R-Arizona).
>
> Tom Wilner, a constitutional lawyer who=20
> represents a number of Kuwaiti detainees (a/k/a=20
> prisoners) at Guant=E1namo, gets to the chilling=20
> core of the amendment:
>
> "This amendment [which McCain has approved] tears=20
> the heart out of anything good that the McCain=20
> prohibition [against cruel, inhuman, and=20
> degrading treatment] does. It strips the right of=20
> habeas corpus from detainees at Guant=E1namo,=20
> prohibits them from suing U.S. officials for=20
> their treatment, and in new language slipped into=20
> the bill [during the House-Senate conference=20
> committee sessions] actually authorizes the=20
> tribunals at Guant=E1namo [for enemy combatants] to=20
> use statements obtained through coercion=20
> [including torture] as 'probative' [testimony].=20
> That provision works a significant change of=20
> existing U.S. and international law and actually=20
> provides an incentive for U.S. officials or=20
> officials from other governments through [CIA]=20
> rendition [sending terrorism suspects to other=20
> countries to be tortured], to obtain such coerced=20
> statements." (Emphasis added.)
>
> Accordingly, Tom Wilner tells me, this=20
> "McCain/Graham/Levin/Kyl package is a disaster-a=20
> giant step backward for human rights. . . . By=20
> eliminating the Great Writ [habeas corpus] and=20
> authorizing the use of coercion, this amendment=20
> un- dermines the very foundation of our system.
>
> "These changes far out- weigh the language for=20
> which Senator McCain has been so complimented,=20
> prohibiting the government from torturing or=20
> engaging in cruel, inhuman, or degrading=20
> treatment."
>
> =46urthermore, how does this administration=20
> actually define torture anywhere? From a December=20
> 16 Washington Post editorial after Bush's=20
> "surrender" to McCain: "Mr. Bush's political=20
> appointees at the Justice Department [Alberto=20
> Gonzales at the top] and the Pentagon [Rumsfeld=20
> et al.] have redefined both 'torture' and 'cruel,=20
> inhuman, and degrading treatment' as not covering=20
> in all circumstances such CIA techniques as=20
> 'waterboarding,' or simulated drowning; 'cold=20
> cell,' the deliberate inducing of hypothermia;=20
> mock execution; and prolonged and painful=20
> 'short-shackling.' It has taken these positions,=20
> even though 'cruel, inhuman, and degrading=20
> treatment' as defined by the Senate [passage of=20
> the McCain amendment] covers everything that also=20
> would be prohibited by the Constitution [against=20
> prisoners held in the U.S.]. . . .
>
> "[Accordingly,] the administration has adopted=20
> logic that accepts, in principle, the idea that=20
> the FBI could constitutionally use them on U.S.=20
> citizens in certain circumstances." (Emphasis=20
> added.)
>
> Eventually, I expect to see an announcement by=20
> John McCain declaring his candidacy for the=20
> presidency-as he reminds us of the principled=20
> stand he and George W. Bush took to show the=20
> world how deeply the United States values human=20
> rights.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-05-2006, 06:53 PM
Yep - McCain is Bush's cabana boy.

It's a shame, because you would expect so much more from a man with McCain's admirable military service record, etc.

enjolras
01-05-2006, 07:06 PM
Not to mention that he's been in direct contention with Bush on basically every occasion.

Oh wait.. he's a republican... must be a lap-boy. He does, of course, play on the other team after all.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-05-2006, 07:22 PM
Not to mention that he's been in direct contention with Bush on basically every occasion.

On "basically every occassion?"

You're not about to let the facts (let alone McCain's voting record) get in the way here, apparently.

Oh wait.. he's a republican... must be a lap-boy. He does, of course, play on the other team after all.

:stupid:

Yeah - what was I thinking?

When a man rolls over time and time again for the same smirking punk who defeated him in the 2000 primary by viciously smearing his wife and child ("did you know John McCain has a black baby?") and by impugning his military service ("yep - that McCain is mentally unstable as a result of his years in the Hanoi Hilton") then "lap boy" is obviously WAY off base.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-05-2006, 07:30 PM
Bush says screw the law, I can torture anyway!

Between miners and Sharon, this bombshell has hardly been noticed. I've only seen it in the Globe.

In signing the law, Bush added a note that he will interpret the law only to the extent that it is consistent with his executive powers in the "war on terror." In essence, Bush is asserting, in writing, that he has a right to torture anyway, on his say so no matter what Congress says.

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=10EF4B3669299900&p_docnum=1

This punk really believes he is the law!