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yhova
12-30-2005, 07:42 AM
Sometimes, Jason Whitlock cracks me up:
6- OK, while I'm on the subject, let me rank the AFC Super Bowl hopefuls.
1. Colts: The only thing that can stop Indy is the tragedy that struck the Dungy family.
2. Steelers: Crazy, isn't it? A couple of weeks ago, I was predicting a loss to the Bears and a playoff miss. Now the Steelers are the second-best team in the AFC.
3. Patriots: Hey, Tom Brady still takes the snaps. It could happen.
4. Jaguars: Jack Del Rio should bring Byron Leftwich in off the bench throughout the playoffs. He could be the spark that opponents can't prepare for.
5. Bengals: I actually like the Bengals, but the 37 points they surrendered at home to the Bills says a lot about what Marvin Lewis needs to do this offseason.
6. Broncos: Ranked this low solely because I think they match up the worst against the Colts. The Donkies can beat everybody else, but would lose by more than two TDs to Peyton.
7. Chiefs: You gotta make the playoffs to advance to the Super Bowl.
Ray Finkle
12-30-2005, 07:45 AM
Sometimes, Jason Whitlock cracks me up:
6- OK, while I'm on the subject, let me rank the AFC Super Bowl hopefuls.
1. Colts: The only thing that can stop Indy is the tragedy that struck the Dungy family.
2. Steelers: Crazy, isn't it? A couple of weeks ago, I was predicting a loss to the Bears and a playoff miss. Now the Steelers are the second-best team in the AFC.
3. Patriots: Hey, Tom Brady still takes the snaps. It could happen.
4. Jaguars: Jack Del Rio should bring Byron Leftwich in off the bench throughout the playoffs. He could be the spark that opponents can't prepare for.
5. Bengals: I actually like the Bengals, but the 37 points they surrendered at home to the Bills says a lot about what Marvin Lewis needs to do this offseason.
6. Broncos: Ranked this low solely because I think they match up the worst against the Colts. The Donkies can beat everybody else, but would lose by more than two TDs to Peyton.
7. Chiefs: You gotta make the playoffs to advance to the Super Bowl.
who gives a shet about what he writes....what's worse not getting respect or having to bitch about not getting it?
Rock Chalk
12-30-2005, 07:45 AM
Sometimes, Jason Whitlock cracks me up:
6- OK, while I'm on the subject, let me rank the AFC Super Bowl hopefuls.
1. Colts: The only thing that can stop Indy is the tragedy that struck the Dungy family.
2. Steelers: Crazy, isn't it? A couple of weeks ago, I was predicting a loss to the Bears and a playoff miss. Now the Steelers are the second-best team in the AFC.
3. Patriots: Hey, Tom Brady still takes the snaps. It could happen.
4. Jaguars: Jack Del Rio should bring Byron Leftwich in off the bench throughout the playoffs. He could be the spark that opponents can't prepare for.
5. Bengals: I actually like the Bengals, but the 37 points they surrendered at home to the Bills says a lot about what Marvin Lewis needs to do this offseason.
6. Broncos: Ranked this low solely because I think they match up the worst against the Colts. The Donkies can beat everybody else, but would lose by more than two TDs to Peyton.
7. Chiefs: You gotta make the playoffs to advance to the Super Bowl.
We beat two of the teams listed above us.
Interesting.
BMF Bronco
12-30-2005, 07:49 AM
We beat two of the teams listed above us.
Interesting.
and about to beat two more!!!!!!
elsid13
12-30-2005, 07:54 AM
We are talking about a writer that still pimp Jeff George. He an idiot, see what happen when you eat to many super sized McDonald meals, that garbage eat your brain.
NaptownChief
12-30-2005, 08:00 AM
We beat two of the teams listed above us.
Interesting.
Yeah but his point is he thinks any team going to the Super Bowl has to take out the Colts and he believes those teams you beat match up better. Based on the last two playoff matchups with the Colts he appears to be correct. That said the Colts could certainly get knocked off before the Donks have to run into them and that would open the door pretty wide for a chance to put the Donks in the SB.
Garcia Bronco
12-30-2005, 08:06 AM
Yeah but his point is he thinks any team going to the Super Bowl has to take out the Colts and he believes those teams you beat match up better. Based on the last two playoff matchups with the Colts he appears to be correct. That said the Colts could certainly get knocked off before the Donks have to run into them and that would open the door pretty wide for a chance to put the Donks in the SB.
So you don't think there is any way at all that we can beat Colts? Good...I hope we're 14 point dogs so we can give them the Packer treatment....this time we don't have to play them twice within a two week period....that was the **** up IMO.
rbackfactory80
12-30-2005, 08:09 AM
Yeah but his point is he thinks any team going to the Super Bowl has to take out the Colts and he believes those teams you beat match up better. Based on the last two playoff matchups with the Colts he appears to be correct. That said the Colts could certainly get knocked off before the Donks have to run into them and that would open the door pretty wide for a chance to put the Donks in the SB.
Thats why he is wrong, because he is looking at the previous two years and saying we could not beat them based on that. We have much more depth at corner and a rebuilt defense line that I believe can play at a very high level when all the chips are down. The closer it gets to playoff time the more I start to believe, maybe I am a fool for that, but this is a different year and a different team.
Whitlock's a moron. He is one of the worst NFL beat writers anywhere. I live in Kansas and read his illogic rants from time to time (on a frequent basis would drive me to insanity).
NaptownChief
12-30-2005, 08:28 AM
Thats why he is wrong, because he is looking at the previous two years and saying we could not beat them based on that. We have much more depth at corner and a rebuilt defense line that I believe can play at a very high level when all the chips are down. The closer it gets to playoff time the more I start to believe, maybe I am a fool for that, but this is a different year and a different team.
Maybe...nobody knows until it is played out on the field but you also have the same coaching staff, similar schemes and many of the same players. They also have the same coaching staff, similar schemes and many of the same players and based on the way that matched up those two previous times it was such a mismatch that a couple of rookie CB's in Williams and Foxworth nor a couple of average Dlineman in Warren and Ekuban could reasonably be expected to offset the 500+ yard, 6 TD pace blistering that Manning put on you guys in the first halves of those games. We need to remember we aren't talking about a Colts team that just pulled out a couple of wins. We are talking about two of the biggest ass blisterings in NFL history.
Rock Chalk
12-30-2005, 08:32 AM
Yeah but his point is he thinks any team going to the Super Bowl has to take out the Colts and he believes those teams you beat match up better. Based on the last two playoff matchups with the Colts he appears to be correct. That said the Colts could certainly get knocked off before the Donks have to run into them and that would open the door pretty wide for a chance to put the Donks in the SB.
New year, different team and Denver matches up much better now.
sirhcyennek81
12-30-2005, 08:36 AM
So a team that runs the ball, extremely well, and plays physically on defense has no shot to beat Indianapolis. Might as well pack it up. Why even play? Almighty chiefs beat writer has spoken...
:Broncos:
TheDave
12-30-2005, 08:39 AM
Maybe...nobody knows until it is played out on the field but you also have the same coaching staff, similar schemes and many of the same players. They also have the same coaching staff, similar schemes and many of the same players and based on the way that matched up those two previous times it was such a mismatch that a couple of rookie CB's in Williams and Foxworth nor a couple of average Dlineman in Warren and Ekuban could reasonably be expected to offset the 500+ yard, 6 TD pace blistering that Manning put on you guys in the first halves of those games. We need to remember we aren't talking about a Colts team that just pulled out a couple of wins. We are talking about two of the biggest ass blisterings in NFL history.
You're probably right. My personal feeling is that if we go back to that damned place in the AFC Championship game we are going to make it 3 losses in a row. On the other hand you completely negating the reasons for why these games were such huge losses. Roc Alexander starting his first game covering Reggie Wayne will not happen again. Both of our rookies are vastly superior to him and have and entire season of play under their belt. As for the defensive line, calling guys like Warren, Pryce, Ekuban, and Brown average is just homerism on your part. None of the above played against them last year (Trevor tried to on one leg) and they are a huge improvement over what we put on the field the last 2 years. Though i agree they are a better team and present match-up problems there is no way another game between us is a blow out.
As for Whitlock... Who cares!
NaptownChief
12-30-2005, 08:51 AM
New year, different team and Denver matches up much better now.
That is what we thought last year especially after the Denver coaching staff had a year to review and re-evaluate their mistakes from the previous thrashing. Not only did they not figure it out but the Colts figured out how to further exploit their defensive scheme.
If you guys had a different DC and defensive coaching staff then I would say that it is wide open and that odds are good they can slow them down. Last year proved that the current coaching staff has no clue as to how to go about attacking that offense. After thinking they would make some adjustments Manning tossed 457 yards and 4 TD's the second time around and that is after backing off in the second half cause the game was put to bed early.
elsid13
12-30-2005, 09:00 AM
That is what we thought last year especially after the Denver coaching staff had a year to review and re-evaluate their mistakes from the previous thrashing. Not only did they not figure it out but the Colts figured out how to further exploit their defensive scheme.
If you guys had a different DC and defensive coaching staff then I would say that it is wide open and that odds are good they can slow them down. Last year proved that the current coaching staff has no clue as to how to go about attacking that offense. After thinking they would make some adjustments Manning tossed 457 yards and 4 TD's the second time around and that is after backing off in the second half cause the game was put to bed early.
Notice to our friends in KC we do have new coaching staff. One of the little reported stories is that we changed both our Defense Line Coach and Secondary Coach. Right now when Darrent Williams gets healthy we match up pretty well with the Colts. Champ on Wayne, Fox/Williams matched up on Stokely/Harrison and Gold/Brandon on Dallas Clark. That leaves Wilson or DJ to contain James. IT will come down to control and execution but this team is built on speed and in Indy's Dome it should be interesting.
Broncos4tw
12-30-2005, 09:02 AM
He is right we don't match up against Peyton well. I'd rather the Pats get to go to Indy, beat them, and we play NE at home. Not only cause having another home playoff game would rock, but I think we match up better overall against NE. And I hate that our team would have to play in that wussy stadium with the fake rug.
But even saying that, I think we will match up better this year if we play them in the two years past. The reason Manning beat us is pass rush, simple as that. We couldn't pressure him even with a blitz, and that was end of the story. If you can't get to him and you are blitzing, he'll find the open guys. If you decide to sit back, he'll murder you. You have to pressure him, no ifs, and or buts. That's how the Chargers did it. They pressured him, sacked and knocked him down, and won the game.
I think we can apply greater pressure this year; maybe enough to beat him. The last time we played him we were sooo close to getting to him. But not quite. With a healthy everyone and a more solid rush, I think we can beat him.
What worries me is how we have let up on the pass rush ever since the Eagles game. That was the last time I really saw us bring it. We can't do that against Indy, we have to bring it. He will burn us a couple of times, but once we get going with hurries, knockdowns and sacks, I think it turns around and we can win the game.
But still, I'd rather we just play at home. :p
Spider
12-30-2005, 09:05 AM
Yeah but his point is he thinks any team going to the Super Bowl has to take out the Colts and he believes those teams you beat match up better. Based on the last two playoff matchups with the Colts he appears to be correct. That said the Colts could certainly get knocked off before the Donks have to run into them and that would open the door pretty wide for a chance to put the Donks in the SB.
we have been over this before , I said we could take the colts back then , you said 9 out of 10 times , think this is the 1 time ......... D will is stud , Champ has been playing great over the last 3 weeks........I would like to see more pressure from our Dline ,but as for the ranking .......who cares ........
DrFate
12-30-2005, 09:10 AM
If you guys had a different DC and defensive coaching staff then I would say that it is wide open and that odds are good they can slow them down.
Do you base this conclusion on the fact that Goonther returned and made such an impact?
Oh wait...
Hilarious!
Rausch
12-30-2005, 09:26 AM
Do you base this conclusion on the fact that Goonther returned and made such an impact?
Oh wait...
Hilarious!
How does Gunther play into your chances against the Colts?
They shut you down the past two years with NOTHING on defense. This year they are good (overrated, but good) on defense.
How does Gunther play into your chances against the Colts?
They shut you down the past two years with NOTHING on defense. This year they are good (overrated, but good) on defense.
And Jake Plummer and the Broncos turnover ratio is much improved, too. You can't beat the Colts if you don't play them, can you, Chiefs' fans?hmmm...
Rausch
12-30-2005, 09:55 AM
And Jake Plummer and the Broncos turnover ratio is much improved, too.
Indeed.
They've eliminated their stupid mistakes and play very smart, very tough smashmouth football.
You can't beat the Colts if you don't play them, can you, Chiefs' fans?hmmm...
Neither can you. Last time we played them we won, you didn't. I fail to see the point.
Bronco LB 59
12-30-2005, 10:00 AM
Denver has already proven they can beat the Colts in a big game. It's funny how people forget the Broncos originally were the ones who humilated the Colts in this series.
http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/index.nsf/8aba06aaab1d51b485256a9e000c9904/4f90a21dd6da7ca385256e04007a012f?OpenDocument
It's painfully obvious Denver is already one step ahead of the other 4 teams. The Broncos are only 2 games away from the Super Bowl. They don't have to play the AFC Divisional Round on the road. Just based on simple logic and odds, the Broncos are a serious threat to get to Detroit. 3 of the last 4 Super Bowl Champions were #2 seeds.
Rausch
12-30-2005, 10:05 AM
Denver has already proven they can beat the Colts in a big game. It's funny how people forget the Broncos originally were the ones who humilated the Colts in this series.
http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/index.nsf/8aba06aaab1d51b485256a9e000c9904/4f90a21dd6da7ca385256e04007a012f?OpenDocument
It's painfully obvious Denver is already one step ahead of the other 4 teams. The Broncos are only 2 games away from the Super Bowl. They don't have to play the AFC Divisional Round on the road. Just based on simple logic and odds, the Broncos are a serious threat to get to Detroit. 3 of the last 4 Super Bowl Champions were #2 seeds.
Then you also understand that your odds go up significantly if you play both games at home. If someone knocks off the Colts I'd immediately bet on the Donks to visit Detroit.
NaptownChief
12-30-2005, 10:25 AM
Notice to our friends in KC we do have new coaching staff. One of the little reported stories is that we changed both our Defense Line Coach and Secondary Coach. Right now when Darrent Williams gets healthy we match up pretty well with the Colts. Champ on Wayne, Fox/Williams matched up on Stokely/Harrison and Gold/Brandon on Dallas Clark. That leaves Wilson or DJ to contain James. IT will come down to control and execution but this team is built on speed and in Indy's Dome it should be interesting.
Silly me I thought Coyer was your DC the last couple years....
-Slap-
12-30-2005, 10:37 AM
I believe there are two Jason Whitlock's, and no, that ain't a fat joke.
There's the Whitlock who writes nonsensical garbage like this and then there's the Whitlock who writes cogent and thoughtful pieces about the choking dogs that comprise the Kansas City football club.
Old Dude
12-30-2005, 10:44 AM
I hope the Colts read Whitlock's column.
I hope they memorize it.
I hope they read it every night and take it to bed with them, and make love to it.
Rohirrim
12-30-2005, 10:53 AM
You're probably right. My personal feeling is that if we go back to that damned place in the AFC Championship game we are going to make it 3 losses in a row. On the other hand you completely negating the reasons for why these games were such huge losses. Roc Alexander starting his first game covering Reggie Wayne will not happen again. Both of our rookies are vastly superior to him and have and entire season of play under their belt. As for the defensive line, calling guys like Warren, Pryce, Ekuban, and Brown average is just homerism on your part. None of the above played against them last year (Trevor tried to on one leg) and they are a huge improvement over what we put on the field the last 2 years. Though i agree they are a better team and present match-up problems there is no way another game between us is a blow out.
As for Whitlock... Who cares!
Great post, but pearls before swine. Using reason on idiots is an act of futility.
watermock
12-30-2005, 11:01 AM
Why give this clown a second glance?
Bottom line, if Pitt wins at hmoe, KC goes home, and more trolls drift into the sunset.
Rausch
12-30-2005, 11:01 AM
Great post, but pearls before swine. Using reason on idiots is an act of futility.
Hey, you're a much better team this year. I've got no argument with that.
But many here seem to ignore the fact that the Colts are also a much more balanced team this year. Their defense is WAY overrated, but it's a lot better than the last two years.
It doesn't matter, I don't think the Colts can beat the Pats or Steelers anyway.
JCMElway
12-30-2005, 11:08 AM
Here's my response to this article that I posted on another thread
When I read this thread I thought, "That's the dumbest thing I've ever read. What dumba** reported that?"
And then, to no surprise, I see it was written by Jason Whitlock. I swear to God, Jason Whitless has got to be the worst columnst in the nation. He goes on to say that the Redskins are the best team in the NFC, and that the Broncs are only the 5th best in the AFC due to not matching up with the Colts. HUH?
He just lives in the past and has no objectivity whatsoever. Denver revamped their whole defense to specifically matchup with Indy. We have four players at CB we did not have last year (counting champ) and a better DL.
I can hardly wait til we go to the Bowl so I can see Whitless eat massive amounts of crow.
Rohirrim
12-30-2005, 11:16 AM
Hey, you're a much better team this year. I've got no argument with that.
But many here seem to ignore the fact that the Colts are also a much more balanced team this year. Their defense is WAY overrated, but it's a lot better than the last two years.
It doesn't matter, I don't think the Colts can beat the Pats or Steelers anyway.
It's a matter of perception. IMO, this year the Colts are being WAY oversold by the media. Everytime I hear another talking head smooching Payaton's arse I feel like one of those poor slobs down in Texas adding another percentage of their pension plan to Enron stock on the advice of Jeffrey Skillings. Opposed to that is the media completely underselling this Bronco team. I guess "ignoring" would be a better way to put it. But you're right. This year the Broncos aren't going to Indy. The Pats are coming here.
Rausch
12-30-2005, 11:21 AM
It's a matter of perception. IMO, this year the Colts are being WAY oversold by the media. Everytime I hear another talking head smooching Payaton's arse I feel like one of those poor slobs down in Texas adding another percentage of their pension plan to Enron stock on the advice of Jeffrey Skillings. Opposed to that is the media completely underselling this Bronco team. I guess "ignoring" would be a better way to put it. But you're right. This year the Broncos aren't going to Indy. The Pats are coming here.
I think the sleeper team is the Bengals. They're going to beat someone they shouldn't. I can see them making a run similar to the 90's Colts or Chargers, teams that aren't as good as the playoff teams they beat.
The Steelers are also tricky to put a finger on. Much like the Chiefs they could beat or lose to any team any week. They're up and down...
Kaylore
12-30-2005, 11:25 AM
I think the sleeper team is the Bengals. They're going to beat someone they shouldn't. I can see them making a run similar to the 90's Colts or Chargers, teams that aren't as good as the playoff teams they beat.
The Steelers are also tricky to put a finger on. Much like the Chiefs they could beat or lose to any team any week. They're up and down...
I agree with all this except that I don't think anyone including myself sees them as a sleeper team. You don't make the number three seed in the AFC as a sleeper. Steelers are hard to read because they are inconsistant which will probably lead to their demise.
Bronx33
12-30-2005, 11:40 AM
I agree with all this except that I don't think anyone including myself sees them as a sleeper team. You don't make the number three seed in the AFC as a sleeper. Steelers are hard to read because they are inconsistant which will probably lead to their demise.
Very true cowher might try an onside kick at half time ya never know, that team has two heads and you never know which one will show up to play.
RedskinBronco
12-30-2005, 12:32 PM
As GM of the skins ;D , I hereby trade Gregg Williams to the Denver Broncos for Bronco Billy effective whenever we face the Colts. Gregg Williams would exploit that Indy Offense. P. Manning will be on his @$$ all game, especially since IMO, Denver has more overall talent on defense than the skins.
Jetmeck
12-30-2005, 12:40 PM
That is what we thought last year especially after the Denver coaching staff had a year to review and re-evaluate their mistakes from the previous thrashing. Not only did they not figure it out but the Colts figured out how to further exploit their defensive scheme.
If you guys had a different DC and defensive coaching staff then I would say that it is wide open and that odds are good they can slow them down. Last year proved that the current coaching staff has no clue as to how to go about attacking that offense. After thinking they would make some adjustments Manning tossed 457 yards and 4 TD's the second time around and that is after backing off in the second half cause the game was put to bed early.
Hello, hello anybody home in there ? Injuries desimated
our secondary last year.
Indeed.
They've eliminated their stupid mistakes and play very smart, very tough smashmouth football.
Neither can you. Last time we played them we won, you didn't. I fail to see the point.
You can't beat them IN THE PLAYOFFS if you are don't play them IN THE PLAYOFFS. Enjoy the offseason.
2KBack
12-30-2005, 12:48 PM
I could give a **** about the article, but comparing last years matchup to this year is insane.
Pryce
Warren
Brown
Echuban
gold
Williams
Foxworth
Ferguson
All major supporters that didn't play last year, and in most cases beat last years starters for the positions.
Rausch
12-30-2005, 12:51 PM
You can't beat them IN THE PLAYOFFS
Neither can you...
Bronx33
12-30-2005, 12:52 PM
Neither can you...
But we will be there to give it a shot..and you? well won't be.
Neither can you...
spoken like a true fan of a team with a pick in the top 20 of the 1st round. * translation * - out of the playoffs.
Rausch
12-30-2005, 01:01 PM
But we will be there to give it a shot..and you? well won't be.
Really?
They gave you two bye weeks?
Bronx33
12-30-2005, 01:03 PM
Really?
They gave you two bye weeks?
Is there apoint in there somewhere?
NaptownChief
12-30-2005, 01:04 PM
Hello, hello anybody home in there ? Injuries desimated
our secondary last year.
And the year before I'm sure....Those beating were two of the worst in NFL history...I don't give a $hit if you were playing all third stringers that kind of beating goes way beyond a couple banged up players.
TheDave
12-30-2005, 01:08 PM
And the year before I'm sure....Those beating were two of the worst in NFL history...I don't give a $hit if you were playing all third stringers that kind of beating goes way beyond a couple banged up players.
No it doesn't. The magnitude of those beatings was directly related to our injury situation. I still think we would of lost, but not nearly as bad. Example put you and i out there as corners and see what the score would of been.ugh!~
And the year before I'm sure....Those beating were two of the worst in NFL history...I don't give a $hit if you were playing all third stringers that kind of beating goes way beyond a couple banged up players.
Of course, the Chiefs have never suffered such a beating. They haven't been in the playoffs enough to experience one. Just devastating defeats at home, where even home field advantage wasn't enough.
Remember 14-10? Those defeats tend to be more devastating than blowouts because your team has a chance and chokes. How many times have the Chiefs had home-field and lost at home? Talk about underachieving.
Crushaholic
12-30-2005, 01:13 PM
The Steelers are also tricky to put a finger on. Much like the Chiefs they could beat or lose to any team any week. They're up and down...
I think there's a rule somewhere that says that coaches who worked for the Chiefs are doomed to spend the rest of their coaching careers without going to a Super Bowl. Vermeil doesn't count because his Super Bowls were BEFORE he came to KC...
azbroncfan
12-30-2005, 02:20 PM
Neither can you. Last time we played them we won, you didn't. I fail to see the point.
Not in the playoffs. Denver could say the same thing about the last 2 regular season games too. I agree that Den doesn't match up well with the colts but it doesn't mean that they can't beat them. I personally believe you must go to a 3-4 to beat the Colts. Chargers and Pats have had excellent success against them. Even last year Chargers beat up the colts and choked to lose the game in classic marty ball fashion. I'm afraid Coyer will blitz too much. A team that sends as many as often as DEN should have more sacks. The INT's are up this year which is great but alot of them were just terrible throws by QB's and some great plays by Bailey.
clarker
12-30-2005, 03:00 PM
Not in the playoffs. Denver could say the same thing about the last 2 regular season games too. I agree that Den doesn't match up well with the colts but it doesn't mean that they can't beat them. I personally believe you must go to a 3-4 to beat the Colts. Chargers and Pats have had excellent success against them. Even last year Chargers beat up the colts and choked to lose the game in classic marty ball fashion. I'm afraid Coyer will blitz too much. A team that sends as many as often as DEN should have more sacks. The INT's are up this year which is great but alot of them were just terrible throws by QB's and some great plays by Bailey.The reason alot of those were just "terrible throws" by the QB's is that the Broncos D-Line and blitzers put a lot of pressure on them.
Hercules Rockefeller
12-30-2005, 03:03 PM
After two ass-kickings, Whitlock's right until proven otherwise.
TomServo
12-30-2005, 11:24 PM
After two ass-kickings, Whitlock's right until proven otherwise.
the colts havent exactly been great in the payoffs under mannning. yah they beat us the last two years and what do they have to show for it? the jags came into our house and beat us and what happened the next year? history is out the window in the playoffs.
The Big E
12-31-2005, 12:38 AM
Odds are against us going into Indy and winning, and it would be an upset if we did. However, I don't feel like they have some magical hold on us. The Ratbirds have the stronger historical advantage over us, if anyone does, and we at least beat them this (ugly or not).
We did beat them in Indy two years ago when both teams still had something to play for. The task of beating them again two weeks later was too much. Yes, it was two years ago, but many of the key players are still in place. Both teams have improved since then, and so far this year we've been able reverse a few of the negative trends we had going. Why not reverse our playoff trend with Indy the way they did against the Jets? Or, we could just worry about actually reaching a game against Indy in the first place.
Hercules Rockefeller
12-31-2005, 07:00 AM
the colts havent exactly been great in the payoffs under mannning. yah they beat us the last two years and what do they have to show for it? the jags came into our house and beat us and what happened the next year? history is out the window in the playoffs.
Sure history is out the window in the playoffs. And the only difference you're missing now is that Indy has HFA, something it didn't have in the past. Indy doesn't have to go anywhere, and everyone's got to come to them. That's huge, no matter how much you'd like to pretend it isn't.
watermock
12-31-2005, 07:47 AM
Sometimes, Jason Whitlock cracks me up:
6- OK, while I'm on the subject, let me rank the AFC Super Bowl hopefuls.
1. Colts: The only thing that can stop Indy is the tragedy that struck the Dungy family.
2. Steelers: Crazy, isn't it? A couple of weeks ago, I was predicting a loss to the Bears and a playoff miss. Now the Steelers are the second-best team in the AFC.
3. Patriots: Hey, Tom Brady still takes the snaps. It could happen.
4. Jaguars: Jack Del Rio should bring Byron Leftwich in off the bench throughout the playoffs. He could be the spark that opponents can't prepare for.
5. Bengals: I actually like the Bengals, but the 37 points they surrendered at home to the Bills says a lot about what Marvin Lewis needs to do this offseason.
6. Broncos: Ranked this low solely because I think they match up the worst against the Colts. The Donkies can beat everybody else, but would lose by more than two TDs to Peyton.
7. Chiefs: You gotta make the playoffs to advance to the Super Bowl.
First this clown needs to go to the woodshed. First, we now have Pryce back, we have a revamped DL, and Ian Gold. That is virtualy a completly different front 7 than last year. Finally, we don't have Walls and Roc stinking up the secondary like bad air from Aunt Martha in a car. How can he say we don't match up when we have 8 new starters from last year? Only players back that started against Indy last year are DJ, Big Al,Champ and Lynch. They guy is a classic moron.
Pryce, Brown, Warren, Gold, DW, Fox, Fergy, Myers are all new starters, as well as Cox. The guy is clueless. I'm not saying we will beat Indy, but why does this clown think any of the other teams can?
Didn't this dimwit have us ranked around 15 or 18 to start the season? Hey dumbass...we are the second seed. Your putting Pittsburg above us?
watermock
12-31-2005, 07:51 AM
Sure history is out the window in the playoffs. And the only difference you're missing now is that Indy has HFA, something it didn't have in the past. Indy doesn't have to go anywhere, and everyone's got to come to them. That's huge, no matter how much you'd like to pretend it isn't.
That isn't the point...the stone cold fact is the guy brings no argument whatsoever that any of these other teams can beat Indy. Isn't that guy a Chef homer?
"If you can't get to him and you are blitzing, he'll find the open guys. If you decide to sit back, he'll murder you. You have to pressure him, no ifs, and or buts. That's how the Chargers did it. They pressured him, sacked and knocked him down, and won the game."
That's exactly it. If you knock Manning on his arse a couple of times he begins to get frustrated and it throws his game off. We'll need to keep the pressure on him that's for sure and we will.
1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge: