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MowrMowr
12-29-2005, 01:09 PM
http://www.redskins.com/news/multimedia.jsp
Click the "Clinton Portis: 12.29" link in the bottom left corner.
Discuss.
East Coast media darling ... looks like they're having fun ... I'm glad the Broncos are having fun winning. It seems to be a silly distraction to me. The Portis stuff is old.
Hogan11
12-29-2005, 01:16 PM
Three minutes of my time totally wasted for nothing....nice.
Where's the Advil?
ludo21
12-29-2005, 01:17 PM
Three minutes of my time totally wasted for nothing....nice.
Where's the Advil?
Thanks for the warning. Ill stay safe over here.
Portis may be a nice addition for the skins, but i like our 12-3 record more.
bendog
12-29-2005, 01:17 PM
http://www.lillyofthevalleyva.com/carolesangelicats-memories.html
MowrMowr
12-29-2005, 01:20 PM
Trust me, I don't miss him at all...the trade was perfect for us. Just funny to see how cuckoo he really is.
Breck Bronc
12-29-2005, 01:30 PM
What a thug. The gall to have some people have, carrying on, having fun.
BMF Bronco
12-29-2005, 01:33 PM
What a thug. The gall to have some people have, carrying on, having fun.
I thought you were serious at first and was going to become a mushroom cloud layin muthafugga, muthafugga! I agree that we got the better end of the deal, but I personally think CP is a gas! In his "cribs" episode, he showed them a stripper pole, but he says its a fireman's pole with mirrors around it, because that's what he wanted to be growing up. Hilarious!
Taco John
12-29-2005, 01:40 PM
Holy guacamoley!
I can't hardly believe my eyes...
Mile High Shack
12-29-2005, 01:49 PM
wow
that was kinda weird
not so much funny
but weird
-Slap-
12-29-2005, 01:55 PM
What a thug. The gall to have some people have, carrying on, having fun.
I would rather see my players assaulting innocent people in the streets than performing atrociously bad skit comedy before a gaggle of giggling hacks.
Damn, C, you signed for $63 million! Hire some writers to punch up the script a little bit. Buy a frigging joke book. Something. These faggy costumes alone are not going to carry the day.
-Slap-
12-29-2005, 01:57 PM
I thought you were serious at first and was going to become a mushroom cloud layin muthafugga, muthafugga! I agree that we got the better end of the deal, but I personally think CP is a gas! In his "cribs" episode, he showed them a stripper pole, but he says its a fireman's pole with mirrors around it, because that's what he wanted to be growing up. Hilarious!
He wanted to be a fireman's pole when he was growing up? This news would have surprised me a few years ago. Now I don't bat an eye.
Taco John
12-29-2005, 02:01 PM
I might be wrong, but I think it's safe to say that Clinton is out of the closet...
I might be wrong, but I think it's safe to say that Clinton is out of the closet...
those getups would have looked a lot better if they were hanging up IN a closet.
-Slap-
12-29-2005, 02:45 PM
I might be wrong, but I think it's safe to say that Clinton is out of the closet...
Yeah.
Liberace had more people fooled.
http://www.emediawire.com/prfiles/2005/06/02/247476/LiberaceinHotPantssinglecopy.jpg
BMF Bronco
12-29-2005, 02:50 PM
He wanted to be a fireman's pole when he was growing up? This news would have surprised me a few years ago. Now I don't bat an eye.
LOL LOL LOL
Got_Moss89?
12-29-2005, 02:50 PM
Yeah, good luck with your 32nd pick from us. Get some guy named Shockabacka Milla Milla.
Mile High Shack
12-29-2005, 02:51 PM
Yeah, good luck with your 32nd pick from us. Get some guy named Shockabacka Milla Milla.
you are predicting a superbowl trophy eh?
interesting
Mile High Shack
12-29-2005, 02:52 PM
those getups would have looked a lot better if they were hanging up IN a closet.
I wanna know who the white dude is
is it just me or does he look exteremely uncomfortable?
-Slap-
12-29-2005, 02:53 PM
Yeah, good luck with your 32nd pick from us. Get some guy named Shockabacka Milla Milla.
Oh, we'll have the 32nd pick alright, but not courtesy of the Redskins.
Probably from a trade down with New England.
elsid13
12-29-2005, 02:53 PM
Yeah, good luck with your 32nd pick from us. Get some guy named Shockabacka Milla Milla.
Wonder how that going happen when Ramsey lose this Sunday game for you???
-Slap-
12-29-2005, 02:54 PM
I wanna know who the white dude is
is it just me or does he look exteremely uncomfortable?
It might have been all the flop sweat gushing out of his pores at a gallon a second.
I wanna know who the white dude is
is it just me or does he look exteremely uncomfortable?
I have no idea who that was, but I was as uncomfortable watching the clip as the white dude looked uncomfortable in the clip.
-Slap-
12-29-2005, 02:59 PM
Anybody who made it through the entire three minutes is a stronger person than I. That was more embarrassing than getting caught watching Blind Date.
Got_Moss89?
12-29-2005, 02:59 PM
Wonder how that going happen when Ramsey lose this Sunday game for you???
Brunell practiced today and is probable to play. Good try though.
Got_Moss89?
12-29-2005, 03:01 PM
you are predicting a superbowl trophy eh?
interesting
If we keep playing the way we are playing i dont think any team in the NFC can beat us. Granted we must go to Philly this sunday and beat them.
It doesn't matter ... we gave up the #25 pick last year and will have a higher pick than that this year, compliments of the Redskins.
If we keep playing the way we are playing i dont think any team in the NFC can beat us. Granted we must go to Philly next week and beat them.
what about Chicago? Seattle?
elsid13
12-29-2005, 03:02 PM
Brunell practiced today and is probable to play. Good try though.
Well I am worried that you might hurt yourself jumping on and off the Skins band wagon. :devil:
Got_Moss89?
12-29-2005, 03:03 PM
what about Chicago? Seattle?
Hmm...lets see we beat Chicago already and we beat Seattle. We were the last team to beat them. So really...the Giants are probably the team the Skins dont want to play the most. Especially at Giant stadium.
Got_Moss89?
12-29-2005, 03:04 PM
Well I am worried that you might hurt yourself jumping on and off the Skins band wagon. :devil:
look when i joined. I've been through all the rough times with this team, and have been a fan of them ever since birth.
Got_Moss89?
12-29-2005, 03:05 PM
By the way the white guy was Chris Cooley.
loborugger
12-29-2005, 03:05 PM
I am gonna preface this by saying I am glad that CP is there and Champ is in Denver.
Having said that, I think it is pretty damn funny. Can you imagine being an NFL player... all the dumb media questions, all the repeated questions, all the uptight interviews. He is funning on those clowns, IMHO. I was guffawing when that one knucklehead asked, "so, whats it like in heaven." Its obvious they dont know how to take it.
Tell me this - are you gonna remember any other player interviews from this season?
loborugger
12-29-2005, 03:07 PM
look when i joined. I've been through all the rough times with this team, and have been a fan of them ever since birth.
Ooohhh, October... Wow, thats all the way back to the Norv era!!!!
Just because you beat them once doesn't guarantee another "W," especially when the Redskins have to go on the road.
If memory serves, the Redskins beat both of those teams are home early in the season. Granted, the Redskins are playing better as of late, but facing the Bears and/or Seahawks on the road is a tall task for anyone.
Redskins are 3-4 on the road, 1-4 on the road against teams with winning records.
-Slap-
12-29-2005, 03:08 PM
By the way the white guy was Chris Cooley.
Tell him to keep his day job.
Got_Moss89?
12-29-2005, 03:10 PM
Ooohhh, October... Wow, thats all the way back to the Norv era!!!!
Was this place even around then?
Got_Moss89?
12-29-2005, 03:11 PM
Tell him to keep his day job.
Yeah like know him personally. ::)
-Slap-
12-29-2005, 03:13 PM
Yeah like know him personally. ::)
Yeah, he must security around him 24 hours a day, I mean, come on, its Chris Cooley!
Got_Moss89?
12-29-2005, 03:13 PM
Just because you beat them once doesn't guarantee another "W," especially when the Redskins have to go on the road.
If memory serves, the Redskins beat both of those teams are home early in the season. Granted, the Redskins are playing better as of late, but facing the Bears and/or Seahawks on the road is a tall task for anyone.
Redskins are 3-4 on the road, 1-4 on the road against teams with winning records.
Our losses on the road have been against, Denver, KC, Giants, and Tampa. 3 are locked for the Playoffs, while one is just good at home.
elsid13
12-29-2005, 03:15 PM
Yeah, he must security around him 24 hours a day, I mean, come on, its Chris Cooley!
He'll need it when he named the Superbowl MVP!!!!
Got_Moss89?
12-29-2005, 03:16 PM
Yeah, he must security around him 24 hours a day, I mean, come on, its Chris Cooley!
Ugh...i dont even live in DC. I dont even live in Maryland or Virginia.
Yeah...some no name guy has 766 recieving yards and 7 TD's :thumbs:.
Our losses on the road have been against, Denver, KC, Giants, and Tampa. 3 are locked for the Playoffs, while one is just good at home.
What's your point? The Redskins' road record against winning teams doesn't bode well for them, even if they do make the playoffs.
Got_Moss89?
12-29-2005, 03:19 PM
What's your point? The Redskins' road record against winning teams doesn't bode well for them, even if they do make the playoffs.
Thats why us being on a roll in the end of the season is going to change all of that. You acted like the teams we lost against were chumps. The only time we got blown out was in Giants stadium...and that was one hell of a blowout.
-Slap-
12-29-2005, 03:21 PM
Ugh...i dont even live in DC. I dont even live in Maryland or Virginia.
Yeah...some no name guy has 766 recieving yards and 7 TD's :thumbs:.
He caught three of those touchdowns in week 15, causing fantasy league owners throughout the land to sing and dance, except those poor souls playing against him.
Thats why us being on a roll in the end of the season is going to change all of that. You acted like the teams we lost against were chumps. The only time we got blown out was in Giants stadium...and that was one hell of a blowout.
That is nowhere close to what I was implying. I was pointing out that the Redskins' road record against winning teams (1-4) is going to kill them in the playoffs unless they play better on the road.
If not, it'll be "one and done."
Where in my previous posts did I suggest "chumps" - hmmm, I don't see any references like that - anywhere.
Play2win
12-29-2005, 03:29 PM
LOOOOOSSSSEEEEERRRRRR !!!
The best thing about this current Broncos team is that PORTIS ISN'T ON IT.
The worst thing about this current Broncos team is that ELWAY (in his prime) Isn't on it...
Skin Fan
12-29-2005, 08:05 PM
LOOOOOSSSSEEEEERRRRRR !!!
The best thing about this current Broncos team is that PORTIS ISN'T ON IT.
The worst thing about this current Broncos team is that ELWAY (in his prime) Isn't on it...
The best thing is that you don't have Portis? Really?
Im glad you are happy with Chump - we are happy with CP... We are all happy....
The best thing is that you don't have Portis? Really?
Im glad you are happy with Chump - we are happy with CP... We are all happy....
It was just a matter of finding a better fit all the way around. Both teams met a dire need with a player that fit in nicely.
Merlin
12-29-2005, 08:14 PM
Yeah, good luck with your 32nd pick from us. Get some guy named Shockabacka Milla Milla.
Don't you need to make the playoffs to reach the SB? I must say, 9-7 is better than I expected from you guys. Never thought your QB still had it in him.
Skin Fan
12-29-2005, 08:17 PM
It was just a matter of finding a better fit all the way around. Both teams met a dire need with a player that fit in nicely.
I agree with you... I just found it odd that "play2win" thought the best thing about your team was that Portis was not on it. I would think that your team would be a better running team with Portis in the backfield. Maybe you all like Bell now - I don't know.
The Skins are in a pretty good situation right now at running back but I fear we will lose Betts our #2 back in FA.
BTW. I was at the Skins Denver game. First time at your new stadium - Very nice place to watch a game. I also really liked your downtown. Hope to go to another Redskin game there in the future (hopefully no tuck rule this time...:vermeil: )
I agree with you... I just found it odd that "play2win" thought the best thing about your team was that Portis was not on it. I would think that your team would be a better running team with Portis in the backfield. Maybe you all like Bell now - I don't know.
The Skins are in a pretty good situation right now at running back but I fear we will lose Betts our #2 back in FA.
BTW. I was at the Skins Denver game. First time at your new stadium - Very nice place to watch a game. I also really liked your downtown. Hope to go to another Redskin game there in the future (hopefully no tuck rule this time...:vermeil: )
The next time the 'Skins and Broncos play is in 2009, and the game is AT Washington. The Broncos would be a "better running team with Portis" but the improvement in the running game would be offset and outweighed by not having Champ on defense. He sets the tone defensively for us, along with Al Wilson. We're glad to have Champ, especially with a trio of young DBs who can learn from Champ's expertise.
Skin Fan
12-29-2005, 08:23 PM
Don't you need to make the playoffs to reach the SB? I must say, 9-7 is better than I expected from you guys. Never thought your QB still had it in him.
9-7?
I don't think we lose to the Eagles on Sunday. We should be 10-6 after that game - We are playing very well right now (70 points against the Girls and Giants last two games) but you never know I guess.
QB situation... Well just like you guys with Jake we were pleasantly surprised with Mark Brunell this year.
Skin Fan
12-29-2005, 08:27 PM
The next time the 'Skins and Broncos play is in 2009, and the game is AT Washington. The Broncos would be a "better running team with Portis" but the improvement in the running game would be offset and outweighed by not having Champ on defense. He sets the tone defensively for us, along with Al Wilson. We're glad to have Champ, especially with a trio of young DBs who can learn from Champ's expertise.
I did not realize the schedule for road games were set that far in the future... I thought it depended on records. Are you sure about this? Link?
Yea....you replaced Portis with Bell and we are very happy with Springs at CB - again we are all happy. Also happy with our Coles for Moss trade. I hope our future trades work out well for us but who knows.
ludo21
12-29-2005, 08:27 PM
9-7?
I don't think we lose to the Eagles on Sunday. We should be 10-6 after that game - We are playing very well right now (70 points against the Girls and Giants last two games) but you never know I guess.
QB situation... Well just like you guys with Jake we were pleasantly surprised with Mark Brunell this year.
Not unlike us, i expected JAke to come out and play solid, AGAIN. i didnt expect his Td-int ratio as high as it is, but i did expect at least another 10 win season.
i dont think the Skins make the playoffs, but they should win this week.
Also thanks very much for champ. Not only is he a great player that changed our season around, he also has taught the new guys how to adjust to the NFL, evidence of this is their tackling, they do it just as well as he does.:thumbsup:
Spider
12-29-2005, 08:29 PM
I agree with you... I just found it odd that "play2win" thought the best thing about your team was that Portis was not on it. I would think that your team would be a better running team with Portis in the backfield. Maybe you all like Bell now - I don't know. Portis did a bad thing here , so yes we are better without Portis , Denver is second only to the Redskins in home sell outs , so Players are in a fish bowl here and when one goes to the Media, it is disruptive ......Pryce found out ,and if we would have had another top notch DE I think Pryce would have been gone also
I did not realize the schedule for road games were set that far in the future... I thought it depended on records. Are you sure about this? Link?
Yea....you replaced Portis with Bell and we are very happy with Springs at CB - again we are all happy. Also happy with our Coles for Moss trade. I hope our future trades work out well for us but who knows.
All but two games are known for each team's regular season schedule. The rotation is set through 2009. Here's the Redskins' future slate through 2009, http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/schedules/nfl_future_nfce.htm ... enjoy :)
Merlin
12-29-2005, 08:31 PM
i dont think the Skins make the playoffs, but they should win this week.
If they win they are in.
Skin Fan
12-29-2005, 08:32 PM
i dont think the Skins make the playoffs, but they should win this week.
Also thanks very much for champ. Not only is he a great player that changed our season around, he also has taught the new guys how to adjust to the NFL, evidence of this is their tackling, they do it just as well as he does.:thumbsup:
Um.... Sorry but if we win this week we are in the playoffs FOR SURE. So if you think we win this week (like I do) than you are also thinking we are in the playoffs (again like I do).
Your welcome very much for Champ. We liked him when he played for the Skins and we like Springs who replaced him. Thank you very much for Portis! He will be going over 1500 yds this coming Sunday. Bell looks to be doing well - so again, we are all happy.
ludo21
12-29-2005, 08:35 PM
Um.... Sorry but if we win this week we are in the playoffs FOR SURE. So if you think we win this week (like I do) than you are also thinking we are in the playoffs (again like I do).
Your welcome very much for Champ. We liked him when he played for the Skins and we like Springs who replaced him. Thank you very much for Portis! He will be going over 1500 yds this coming Sunday. Bell looks to be doing well - so again, we are all happy.
Again im freaking caught being an idiotHa!
I guess im thinking of the division. Win and Giants loss its yours. Thats what i meant.
Skin Fan
12-29-2005, 08:36 PM
All but two games are known for each team's regular season schedule. The rotation is set through 2009. Here's the Redskins' future slate through 2009, http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/schedules/nfl_future_nfce.htm ... enjoy :)
Yea I thought some games were decided after the season - but thanks, I have not seen these schedules.
Um.... Sorry but if we win this week we are in the playoffs FOR SURE. So if you think we win this week (like I do) than you are also thinking we are in the playoffs (again like I do).
Your welcome very much for Champ. We liked him when he played for the Skins and we like Springs who replaced him. Thank you very much for Portis! He will be going over 1500 yds this coming Sunday. Bell looks to be doing well - so again, we are all happy.
Portis has 1404 and Anderson/Bell combo has 1883.
Yea I thought some games were decided after the season - but thanks, I have not seen these schedules.
It comes in handy if you want to plan ahead to the following year. Plus, it's pretty exciting to anticipate who the remaining two teams are. The Broncos get the Colts at home and go to New England based on records. And, they already had the Bengals and Seahawks coming to town while going on the road to Pittsburgh. Some excellent games!
Skin Fan
12-29-2005, 08:38 PM
Again im freaking caught being an idiotHa!
I guess im thinking of the division. Win and Giants loss its yours. Thats what i meant.
Oh.....ok.
I am not holding out a lot of hope of Oakland helping us out. I guess Collins has said that he would like to get some revenge on the Giants but a loss to the Raidus is to much to hope for.
dbroncos31
12-29-2005, 08:55 PM
i'm not gonna lie, i miss clinton...he was a threat to score on every play, and he was just a fun guy to watch. bell is too, but we don't use him enough, so whereas portis was a threat on almost every play, bell is a threat only when he's in, which is not every play. i don't know, but when i watched the skins-giants game this week and portsi had like a 20 yard TD, i just felt a little sad that he wasn't doing that for us anymore. portis was my favorite college player for the two years he played on miami, and then when he was drafted by the Broncos i was so happy. but not all marriages are built to last, i guess
Skin Fan
12-29-2005, 08:56 PM
A couple of good reasons for you to cheer for the Redskins this Sunday.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/bubba9497/49ers20127.jpg
-Slap-
12-29-2005, 08:58 PM
Amatuerish photoshop soft core porn?
A couple of good reasons for you to cheer for the Redskins this Sunday.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/bubba9497/49ers20127.jpg
I'm sure you'll say that it is NOT a doctored photo ... I'm not a D (or even E or F) cup fan. I prefer the nice B cups. Quality over quantity ;)
Skin Fan
12-29-2005, 09:05 PM
Amatuerish photoshop soft core porn?
Sorry - thought you all might have a sense of humor.
Forgive me, won't happen again.
Sorry - thought you all might have a sense of humor.
Forgive me, won't happen again.
Or were you merely stating (by the picture) that Redskins fans are a bunch of "big boobs"?
Skin Fan
12-29-2005, 09:11 PM
Or were you merely stating (by the picture) that Redskins fans are a bunch of "big boobs"?
Well....no.
It was a (failed I guess) attempt at humor. "two good reasons" to cheer for the Red.... Oh never mind. Hey, good luck to you guys! Time to say goodnight.
-Slap-
12-29-2005, 09:14 PM
Sorry - thought you all might have a sense of humor.
Forgive me, won't happen again.
The loss of your gentle wit shall not go unmourned.
Well....no.
It was a (failed I guess) attempt at humor. "two good reasons" to cheer for the Red.... Oh never mind. Hey, good luck to you guys! Time to say goodnight.
I was just razzing ya ... really, though, that can't be one of the Redskins "real" cheerleaders, is it?
Got_Moss89?
12-29-2005, 11:46 PM
LOOOOOSSSSEEEEERRRRRR !!!
The best thing about this current Broncos team is that PORTIS ISN'T ON IT.
The worst thing about this current Broncos team is that ELWAY (in his prime) Isn't on it...
Fantastic...although it looks like your team is having trouble on who to use?
Got_Moss89?
12-29-2005, 11:50 PM
I was just razzing ya ... really, though, that can't be one of the Redskins "real" cheerleaders, is it?
No...she'd have to be worrying about a few things falling out wearing that if she was.
watermock
12-30-2005, 12:17 AM
I know it's PC to bash Portis, but Washington wouldn't be headed to the playoffs without him.
Play2win
12-30-2005, 06:12 AM
Fantastic...although it looks like your team is having trouble on who to use?
I'll tell you this, if PORTIS was still on our team, there is no way we have a first round bye in the playoffs...
Play2win
12-30-2005, 06:13 AM
I know it's PC to bash Portis, but Washington wouldn't be headed to the playoffs without him.
Its Brunnel thats got them in the playoffs not Portis...
Broncoman13
12-30-2005, 07:19 AM
Brunnel hasn't done much down the stretch. They were 5-6 and nobody expected them to make the playoffs. They're now 9-6 and nearly a lock! Brunnel has 902 yards passing the past 6 games w/ 8 TDs (4 came in one game!) and 4 INTs (3 came in one game-AZ). During that same time Portis has 700 total yards, 4 TD's and has thrown for a TD. His last 4 games have been 100 yard games. In fact, if not for 87 and 92 yard performances in weeks 11 and 12 he'd have a string of 7 in a row. That 92 yard performance was against the Chargers, who until last week were the league leaders in run D. Clinton is a total freak and probably (like Taco pointed out) enjoys embarassing the NFL by doing his interviews in drag... but he's running the ball well this year! Simply put, he's on his way to a 1500 yard 10 TD season. I'd rather have Champ, but the difference is very small.
Got_Moss89?
12-30-2005, 10:36 AM
Brunnel hasn't done much down the stretch. They were 5-6 and nobody expected them to make the playoffs. They're now 9-6 and nearly a lock! Brunnel has 902 yards passing the past 6 games w/ 8 TDs (4 came in one game!) and 4 INTs (3 came in one game-AZ). During that same time Portis has 700 total yards, 4 TD's and has thrown for a TD. His last 4 games have been 100 yard games. In fact, if not for 87 and 92 yard performances in weeks 11 and 12 he'd have a string of 7 in a row. That 92 yard performance was against the Chargers, who until last week were the league leaders in run D. Clinton is a total freak and probably (like Taco pointed out) enjoys embarassing the NFL by doing his interviews in drag... but he's running the ball well this year! Simply put, he's on his way to a 1500 yard 10 TD season. I'd rather have Champ, but the difference is very small.
You are dead on correct in this assessment.
Got_Moss89?
12-30-2005, 10:40 AM
Its Brunnel thats got them in the playoffs not Portis...
Portis is the biggest reason. Brunell has just played mistake free Football (for the most part). Portis is the one with 4 straight 100 yard games and 8 for the season.
Got_Moss89?
12-30-2005, 10:54 AM
I'll tell you this, if PORTIS was still on our team, there is no way we have a first round bye in the playoffs...
lmao...right right...if Portis was on your team i would gurantee him 1800-1900 yards and 17-18 TD's. Because of your running scheme. Portis is sooo bad i guess that since we were one of the bottom teams in rushing yards that he got us up to 5th in the league (Gibbs does deserve credit for this as well). What is your passing D doing with Champ might i ask?
bendog
12-30-2005, 11:51 AM
more faide logic? without champ the def sec would be not as bad. (actually they aren't bad, but Den doesn't get qb pressure with their front 4)
RedskinBronco
12-30-2005, 12:25 PM
lmao...right right...if Portis was on your team i would gurantee him 1800-1900 yards and 17-18 TD's. Because of your running scheme. Portis is sooo bad i guess that since we were one of the bottom teams in rushing yards that he got us up to 5th in the league (Gibbs does deserve credit for this as well). What is your passing D doing with Champ might i ask?
Portis is a monster in the Denver system. NOW, He's playing with purpose and Gibbs has made adjustments with the running plays. Portis is a very good back and champ is very good CB. Portis would have even better numbers in Denver because that system is perfect for him. Still, he has been THE reason the skins are in the position they are in. He has carried this team along with the O-Line and it has opened up one on one matchups for Cooley and Moss who are real dangerous when they don't have 3 guys on them all the time.
Some people need to let this go. It was a good trade for both teams. Washington got who they needed and got rid of a guy who didn't want to be here. Same with Denver. Given the circumstances, it was a very fair trade for both.
You could make the argument that the Broncos got a damn good deal, but that depends on Tatum Bell eventually stepping up as the #1 RB. He has yet to do that. Denver fans need to stop bashing Portis because like it or not he was real consistent in Denver and Tatum Bell and MA have not been able to take over permanently. Washington fans need to stop bashing Bailey. He's a great CB and as long as Denver cranks up that pass rush again, he's going to be as close to a shutdown corner as there can be. CB is an unfair position. You can look real bad without a pass rush.
Both sides need to get over this deal.
bendog
12-30-2005, 12:36 PM
Sonic dresses like a fag though ... not that there's anything wrong with that.
ps, edit. I do disagree with you that MA and Tater have not been able to take over for sonic. The one thing sonic did not bring to the table that Den depends upon was the physical punishing of a defense. Sonic did put the team on his back once in a fourth qtr to get into the playoffs, but he's running a lot better in those terms in Wash than he did here.
It's true, though, that Den's offense is different w/o him. Jake has more pressure to make plays from the pocket.
But in sum, you're absolutely right that both teams should be happy because both got rid of a guy who was unhappy and both solidified a big hole with the trade. And IF Tater ever became a 20 carry per guy who could gain 1500, then of course Den got the better deal.
Got_Moss89?
12-30-2005, 12:47 PM
more faide logic? without champ the def sec would be not as bad. (actually they aren't bad, but Den doesn't get qb pressure with their front 4)
Umm...? I think you might have made a mistake...unless you really think Champ sucks.
Got_Moss89?
12-30-2005, 12:50 PM
Champ...is probably one of the best corners in the league...but i do not understand why people think he is the best. He is not a shutdown corner...i think those regards would be better suited for Nate Clements or Terrance Newman.
bendog
12-30-2005, 01:12 PM
yeah, newman was great with santana moss.
there are no shutdown corners in the nfl anymore. Just like bobby jones or hanzlek would have a tough time in today's nba.
RedskinBronco
12-30-2005, 01:26 PM
yeah, newman was great with santana moss.
there are no shutdown corners in the nfl anymore. Just like bobby jones or hanzlek would have a tough time in today's nba.
Bendog, as always, you make good points. Probably the most realistic/logical poster on this board.
Just one correction though ;), for whatever reason, Parcells puts Aaron Glenn on Moss. I think it's stupid because SUPPOSEDLY Newman is better than Glenn. However, your point is well taken, because Moss would burn Newman over and over. Now if there was a pass rush, people would talk about how Newman "shutdown" Moss when in fact it was the D-line. It's hard to be a shutdown corner, but Champ is as close as it gets to a shutdown corner, although no one really is.
Still, the players always say he is the best CB in the league.
Merlin
12-30-2005, 09:55 PM
Champ...is probably one of the best corners in the league...but i do not understand why people think he is the best. He is not a shutdown corner...i think those regards would be better suited for Nate Clements or Terrance Newman.
You gotta be joking. Clements has been burned more times this season than Champ has the past two seasons combined. Also, Champ's greatness is not just limited to being able to cover a WR, but to be able to tackle and help with the run (he has stop many RB's for a loss), and help other CBs with their assignments (last week he left his assignment to help out with Moss who was about 5 yds away, and he stoped a sure TD pass, very hard to measure that athletic ability).
SportinOne
12-31-2005, 12:33 AM
I'm probably in the minority here, but i laughed pretty hard during the first part of that video.. after that it got pretty weak.
also, yeah Portis is a good RB, probably top 10, NEVER top 5, ever!
Champ is the best CB in the NFL.. CB's are harder to come by, and we have the best running system in the nfl (Atlanta doesn't count, Vick makes up for a lot of yards we'd otherwise hold over them, plus our line is more talented)
So the BEST CB in the NFL when we desperately needed a CB plus Tatum Bell for a RB that we really didn't need.. GREAT TRADE
Also, Champ is a LEADER.. Portis might provide some laughter and get everyone loose, but he's no leader..
basically .. champ is a champ! so glad we got him.
interesting thought.. we have leaders in all four areas of our defense
Safeties - Lynch
CB's - Bailey
LB's - Wilson
DL - Pryce and Warren
good combo.. this has turned into a complete ramble.. goodnight everyone
Got_Moss89?
12-31-2005, 01:40 PM
You gotta be joking. Clements has been burned more times this season than Champ has the past two seasons combined. Also, Champ's greatness is not just limited to being able to cover a WR, but to be able to tackle and help with the run (he has stop many RB's for a loss), and help other CBs with their assignments (last week he left his assignment to help out with Moss who was about 5 yds away, and he stoped a sure TD pass, very hard to measure that athletic ability).
Champ, makes big plays...but he cannot cover half the field on his own. He also tends to bite on the big play every once in a while. He is the best playmaker in the league at corner though i must say. It sucks we got rid of him...but he's happy in Denver and Portis is happy in Washington. Worked out for both teams.
Got_Moss89?
12-31-2005, 01:42 PM
I'm probably in the minority here, but i laughed pretty hard during the first part of that video.. after that it got pretty weak.
also, yeah Portis is a good RB, probably top 10, NEVER top 5, ever!
Champ is the best CB in the NFL.. CB's are harder to come by, and we have the best running system in the nfl (Atlanta doesn't count, Vick makes up for a lot of yards we'd otherwise hold over them, plus our line is more talented)
So the BEST CB in the NFL when we desperately needed a CB plus Tatum Bell for a RB that we really didn't need.. GREAT TRADE
Also, Champ is a LEADER.. Portis might provide some laughter and get everyone loose, but he's no leader..
basically .. champ is a champ! so glad we got him.
interesting thought.. we have leaders in all four areas of our defense
Safeties - Lynch
CB's - Bailey
LB's - Wilson
DL - Pryce and Warren
good combo.. this has turned into a complete ramble.. goodnight everyone
Portis not a leader?? That is news to me. He's willing to throw his body all over the place on the field and gets A LOT tougher yards than he ever did in Denver. You get this Portis and put him back in the Denver system and he will be unstoppable.
terry251973
12-31-2005, 01:44 PM
Champ, makes big plays...but he cannot cover half the field on his own. He also tends to bite on the big play every once in a while. He is the best playmaker in the league at corner though i must say. It sucks we got rid of him...but he's happy in Denver and Portis is happy in Washington. Worked out for both teams.
you really think portis is happy if they have to sit at home for the playoffs?:laugh:
you really think portis is happy if they have to sit at home for the playoffs?:laugh:
I will be ... that way we won't have to watch any more of his "Halloween" antics until next season.
-Slap-
12-31-2005, 02:06 PM
Champ, makes big plays...but he cannot cover half the field on his own. He also tends to bite on the big play every once in a while. He is the best playmaker in the league at corner though i must say. It sucks we got rid of him...but he's happy in Denver and Portis is happy in Washington. Worked out for both teams.
I like trades that work out well for both teams. Its the best outcome for long term success.
Shanahan hoodwinked some teams out of high draft picks for the likes of Jamie Brown and Jeff Lewis and then teams became reluctant to trade with him.
Merlin
12-31-2005, 05:49 PM
Champ, makes big plays...but he cannot cover half the field on his own. He also tends to bite on the big play every once in a while. He is the best playmaker in the league at corner though i must say. It sucks we got rid of him...but he's happy in Denver and Portis is happy in Washington. Worked out for both teams.
Agree with all of the above, but I feel Denver gets the most out of the trade, especially considering the added draft choice.