Carl Peterson wants more playoff teams [Archive] - The Orange Mane

OrangeCrush2724

12-29-2005, 07:04 AM

Sorry if mentioned before but...

Chiefs president wants more playoff teams
By Skip Wood and Jarrett Bell, USA TODAY
Ten wins. In the NFL, to accomplish that means almost certain inclusion into the playoffs. Not this season. And heading into this weekend's final regular-season games, six of the league's 32 teams face the prospect of finishing 10-6 and not qualifying for the postseason. Not only that, but as many as three teams could wind up 10-6 and on the wrong side of the fence.
That's why Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson, long a supporter of expanding the playoff field from 12 to 14 teams, is miffed — and not just because his team is among those possibly left idle despite double-digit wins.

"I'm going to propose ... an expansion of the number of playoff teams," Peterson said Wednesday. "I think it shorts the fans, the franchises and the cities to have teams with successful seasons but still not qualify for the playoffs."

Peterson, who failed in his bid for playoff expansion at last spring's owners meetings in Hawaii, believes his argument will be strengthened at this spring's meetings because several teams with nine or 10 wins are on the brink of elimination or are already out, such as San Diego (9-6).

Dallas (9-6), Pittsburgh (10-5), Tampa Bay (10-5) and Carolina (10-5) also face elimination.

Since the playoff field expanded to 12 teams in 1990, three teams have missed the postseason with 10 wins: the 1991 San Francisco 49ers and Philadelphia Eagles and the 2003 Miami Dolphins.

"It's a great playoff system," Peterson said, "but I don't like it when teams can win 10 games and not make the playoffs. I don't want us to become the NBA, with 50% of the teams in the playoffs, but we should do something. This league is just so competitive."

Of the NBA's 30 teams, 16 make the playoffs.

An NFL spokesman said the league has no comment as such decisions are entirely up to the owners.

"We'd certainly be interested in televising the games if the NFL expanded," says Josh Krulewitz, spokesman for ABC/ESPN. ABC is televising Super Bowl XL from Detroit.

NBC declined to comment.

ZachKC

12-29-2005, 07:09 AM

It is an interesting thought, they have been saying this for few eyars...even in 2003.

I think the format is ok...it is frustrating to have a solid possible 10-6 team and be sitting at home.

-Slap-

12-29-2005, 07:09 AM

Great idea, Carl. If you can't beat 'em, force 'em to let you join 'em.

If anything, the League should eliminate eight franchises, two divisions and a wild card.

broncosteven

12-29-2005, 07:10 AM

Poor Chefs, They weren't crying for us when we went 11-5 & didn't make the play offs back in the early 80's.

Hot Carl just needs to build a better team & win more than 10 games.

-Slap-

12-29-2005, 07:11 AM

I know, let's become more like the NBA, which is struggling to avoid fringe sport status at this point. Why don't we do something that will cheapen the regular season and water down the playoffs at the same time?

Brilliant plan, Carl.

Mile High Shack

12-29-2005, 07:12 AM

what a jacked up idea

the idea of the playoffs is to let only the teams that earn it in

if you can't make the top 6 teams, then you don't deserve to get there

hey Carl

GET BETTER

Hotrod

12-29-2005, 07:13 AM

Did I miss something here or did the chefs already beat the bungles to reach a 10-6 mark anyway Ha! King carl needs to worry about which bust hes taking in round 1 this year.

RMT

12-29-2005, 07:14 AM

It is an interesting thought, they have been saying this for few eyars...even in 2003.

I think the format is ok...it is frustrating to have a solid possible 10-6 team and be sitting at home.

I don't want to see the playoffs expanded. It diminishes the regular season. The reason playoffs were expanded to SIX teams years ago was because the Broncos were an 11-5 team that lost out on a 3-way tiebreaker. And, to make matters worse, a division winner (Cleveland, I believe) went with an 8-8 record.

The only way to ensure the best teams get in is to take the top 8, regardless of winning their division. That would get more of the teams with the better records in but would significantly change how the playoff teams are currently determined. I doubt that will ever happnen - nor would I want it to.

Isn't it interesting that talk of expanding playoffs often comes from teams that aren't in the playoffs? Had the Chiefs not blown the Dallas game, they wouldn't be talking about it.

ZachKC

12-29-2005, 07:15 AM

Did I miss something here or did the chefs already beat the bungles to reach a 10-6 mark anyway Ha! King carl needs to worry about which bust hes taking in round 1 this year.
That damn Derrick Johnson. Bust city...

-Slap-

12-29-2005, 07:15 AM

You know that scene in Silence of the Lambs where the gender confused killer is dancing in front of the mirror with his pecker tucked between his thighs?

That's how Peterson should pitch this proposal at the owner's meeting.

RMT

12-29-2005, 07:15 AM

Did I miss something here or did the chefs already beat the bungles to reach a 10-6 mark anyway Ha! King carl needs to worry about which bust hes taking in round 1 this year.

Exactly ... Peterson's already talking like the Chiefs are out of the playoffs (which they probably are with the Lions having to beat the Steelers, just to give the Chiefs a chance).

Hotrod

12-29-2005, 07:17 AM

That damn Derrick Johnson. Bust city...

Ya blind squirrel and the nut well chef fans know the story ;D

ZachKC

12-29-2005, 07:21 AM

Ya blind squirrel and the nut
This is said all the time on OM...

Throw out something that really doesn't hold up because of recent events...

Throw out the whole blind squirrell thing...

Yawn.

Hotrod

12-29-2005, 07:23 AM

This is said all the time on OM...

Throw out something that really doesn't hold up because of recent events...

Throw out the whole blind squirrell thing...

Yawn.

Ya your right Zach Carl is prolly the best GM in football today. ::)

broncosteven

12-29-2005, 07:34 AM

That damn Derrick Johnson. Bust city...

DJ sure helped hold Tiki under 250 yards vs the Gints!

BMF Bronco

12-29-2005, 07:34 AM

Is that the new "5 Year Plan"?

Mile High Shack

12-29-2005, 07:35 AM

I assume Carl wants the season moved back a month so if the Chiefs do actually make the playoffs, they could win a playoff game at home, since they can only win in December and not January

broncosteven

12-29-2005, 07:47 AM

I assume Carl wants the season moved back a month so if the Chiefs do actually make the playoffs, they could win a playoff game at home, since they can only win in December and not January

Hot Carl will also ask the Last Game KFC Plays in the Regular season to hence forth be called the Super Bowl & win or Lose the SB Trophy be awarded to the KFC Chefs. That way he won't have to screw up a perfectly good playoff system & he won't have to work to evaluate talent & find a coach to actually get his team to the SB.

When is Hot Carl going away?

Hotrod

12-29-2005, 07:51 AM

When is Hot Carl going away?

If it were up to me Never ;D

Rock Chalk

12-29-2005, 07:54 AM

It is an interesting thought, they have been saying this for few eyars...even in 2003.

I think the format is ok...it is frustrating to have a solid possible 10-6 team and be sitting at home.
Yeah, what about the deal like last year when you have clubs that are 8-8 and have a chance to go to the playoffs?

Do you think an 8-8 ballclub deserves it? **** no they dont.

My suggestion to Carl, win more games.

Archie

12-29-2005, 07:57 AM

I like the playoff system right where it is. It totally sucks to get to 10 wins and not make the playoffs, but those are the breaks in this league. Denver finished 11-5 once and didn't make the playoffs. (Of course, then they expanded the playoffs).

But - right now 37% of the teams make the playoffs. Any more then that and the regular season doesn't mean dick. NBA and to a certain extent NHL regular seasons are like really really long warm ups and nothing gets really serious until the playoffs. In the NFL - it's serious in week 1 and every week after that. It is super rare that a game does not mean anything (Denver, INdy, Seattle, Chicago this weekend for example) and for that to happen you have to earn it with lots of hard work earlier in the season.

So - sucks for the Chiefs this year. Could suck for us sometime in the future. But - if you want to make the playoffs, take care of business in weeks 1 thru 17. That's what I say!

Hogan11

12-29-2005, 07:59 AM

More playoff teams....that's hilarious Ha!

PatsWin2002

12-29-2005, 08:01 AM

I don't want to see more playoff teams.

It might make sense to look at adding a formula of not even allowing division winners in the playoffs if they are 8-8 or worse.

That'd give one more possibility of a good team not getting left out of the playoffs.

Imagine winning your division and being left out? That'd be kinda cool - especially if the team really sucked and nobody wanted to watch them anyway. It's the kind of thing I could see happening to the Rams.

(Edit: I just read Alec's post above and that's pretty freaky.)

Hogan11

12-29-2005, 08:04 AM

Hey, they could add two teams to the playoffs and call the one with the worst record the Hope Card....then send them off to play the team with the best record so they really wouldn't have much hope at all and then somehow extend the playoffs into March by giving all the teams bye weeks to heal themselves up....afterall, it'll boost ratings!!!!!

They could also scrap all kickoffs and just have each team start at the 20. How about awarding a point for every missed field goal......15 yrd. personal fouls for any player hit really hard....Man, we just gotta keep changing the game for the better!!!!

Ha!

Odysseus

12-29-2005, 08:06 AM

Maybe there is just too much competition in the AFCW for him.

Billy Clyde Puckett

12-29-2005, 08:07 AM

Just more whining from the losers

ZachKC

12-29-2005, 08:07 AM

Hotrod

12-29-2005, 08:08 AM

LOL the hope card..........well that would throw an extra wrench into the race for the #1 pick in the draft.....

broncosteven

12-29-2005, 08:08 AM

If it were up to me Never ;D

If they did fire him they would have to hire some one named Sanchez so I could call him "Dirty Sanchez" to continue my "Hot Carl" theme.

Hogan11

12-29-2005, 08:13 AM

LOL the hope card..........well that would throw an extra wrench into the race for the #1 pick in the draft.....

Hey, remember the dayglow orange baseball? They can have a dayglow orange football for night games so the players & the fans can see it better at night Ha!

Ok, gotta stop with the insane Ditka-like game improvement suggestions before I pull a muscle from laughing too hard Ha!

PatsWin2002

12-29-2005, 08:14 AM

Just wait until Herm Edwards is running the show in KC..........

Hotrod

12-29-2005, 08:18 AM

With the #1 pick and the "hopecard" on the line you would see some interesting style of football being played this weekend. The 9ers and Texans would be begging each other to score. Both teams D would closely resemble the chefs D Ha!

Phantom

12-29-2005, 08:21 AM

Carl gives up before his team is eliminated and proposes a scenario that may not even happen. Nice. Here is how these six teams (likely) will finish. Perhaps Dallas gets dumped with a 10 - 6 record.

San Diego (9-7) - out
Kansas ****ty (9-7) - out
Dallas (9-7) - Dallas probably beats the Rams (10-6) - out
Pittsburgh (11-5) - in
Tampa Bay (11-5) - in
Carolina (11-5) - in

Smiling Assassin27

12-29-2005, 08:22 AM

Where is it written that a 10 win season entitles you to the playoffs? This is just sour grapes for Carl and his money grubbing owner. Over 1/3 of the entire league is already in the tourney, that's sufficient. If Carl wants to make his fans happy, maybe he should win more.

Alkazar

12-29-2005, 08:27 AM

Maybe there is just too much competition in the AFCW for him.

Maybe he should move his team to a league where they'll be more competitive.......like the PeeWee league.

lookin' glass

12-29-2005, 08:53 AM

It's threads like this that keep me coming here! Funny, too funny.

Between Al in Oaktown, Marty in Diego and Carl in Sewersville it never gets dull here.

Maybe the NFL should go to the 33 team playoff format with the 'KC always has a place' rule.

Nutty.

-Slap-

12-29-2005, 09:42 AM

Just wait until Herm Edwards is running the show in KC..........
I liked the press conference this year when he basically said, "don't blame us, the players are trying, they just aren't any good."

Best of all is that Vermiel is trying to force the issue of making him his hand picked successor. Anybody hear Dick propping Herm for Coach of the Year recently? I'm not kidding.

Popps

12-29-2005, 10:09 AM

Just wait until Herm Edwards is running the show in KC..........

I wouldn't mind seeing that. I'm not convinced that guy knows what he's doing.

24champ

12-29-2005, 10:16 AM

I liked the press conference this year when he basically said, "don't blame us, the players are trying, they just aren't any good."

Best of all is that Vermiel is trying to force the issue of making him his hand picked successor. Anybody hear Dick propping Herm for Coach of the Year recently? I'm not kidding.
Better yet I cant wait to see Vermiel's retirement press conference. That's gonna be a cry-fest.LOL

B-Love

12-29-2005, 10:16 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing that. I'm not convinced that guy knows what he's doing.

He doesn't. When the Jets trounced the Colts 41-0 in the Wild Card a few years ago, you'd have thought the guy was the Pope.

His press conferences are difficult views; sometimes hands over the eyes embarrasing. I think he is a mediocre coach.

Not to support Carl Peterson, but just to be fair, Carl was vocal about adding a 7th team to each Conference Playoffs, for a while now. The notion that he just added that desire now is wrong. He has been a proponent for a whil, including offseason time periods. Only one team gets a bye, the other 6 battle to make it to the Divisional round.

PatsWin2002

12-29-2005, 10:19 AM

I liked the press conference this year when he basically said, "don't blame us, the players are trying, they just aren't any good."

Best of all is that Vermiel is trying to force the issue of making him his hand picked successor. Anybody hear Dick propping Herm for Coach of the Year recently? I'm not kidding.

Yes - that was my point. Sorry for the fuzzy reference.

I could probably find a link, but this thread from a Jets board on the issue is much funnier:

http://www.jetnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12365

B-Love

12-29-2005, 10:22 AM

Better yet I cant wait to see Vermiel's retirement press conference. That's gonna be a cry-fest.LOL

And NFL Films will be there, ready for a 2 hour mega production. NFL Films favorite son (Vermeil) has gotten more disproportionate face time than any other 'above average' coach in league history.

People think I am crazy, but when I am long gone from this board, I think Vermeil will be in the Hall of Fame. It may take a while and may even be a posthumous induction for Dickie, but I believe it will happen.

Trying to help Randy Gradishar's candidacy helped me learn alot of little intracasies of the HOF voting process. I did not know how much Steve Sabol and NFL Films impacted voting, or that they were used as a promotional tool for the process. Trust me, they do.

And Sabol loves Vermeil a ton.

-Slap-

12-29-2005, 10:27 AM

Yes - that was my point. Sorry for the fuzzy reference.

I could probably find a link, but this thread from a Jets board on the issue is much funnier:

http://www.jetnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12365

The thread title is, "Query me this, Hermaphrodites".

rofl

-Slap-

12-29-2005, 10:31 AM

Herm is still under contract with the Jets.

How many draft picks would KC have to send to New York for a 3-13 coach?

http://www.jetnation.com/forums/images/avatars/8876747425bd6d72e6f4.jpg

PatsWin2002

12-29-2005, 10:32 AM

The thread title is, "Query me this, Hermaphrodites".

rofl

Yes, I know. I figured it was best to leave that part unmentioned. Ha!

That Jet board cracks me up. They are as hard on their own team as anyone else is.

I saw a post on a Bills board this morning from one of the JetNation folks inviting them over to "discuss this weekend's train wreck". :~ohyah!:

broncosteven

12-29-2005, 10:36 AM

I liked the press conference this year when he basically said, "don't blame us, the players are trying, they just aren't any good."

Best of all is that Vermiel is trying to force the issue of making him his hand picked successor. Anybody hear Dick propping Herm for Coach of the Year recently? I'm not kidding.

I heard it. Dicky telling the KFC fans what a great Coaching job Sperm did this year bringing in guys off the street to play QB & such, it brought tears to my eyes...tears of laughter thinking of KFC being 3-13 or maybe 8-8 with Vinny as KFC's Emergency QB of the Future!

Moon§hiner

12-29-2005, 10:40 AM

Maybe he should move his team to a league where they'll be more competitive.......like the PeeWee league.
It worked for Seattle...I don't think they would have homefield if they were still in the AFC West.

watermock

12-29-2005, 10:53 AM

http://www.noordinarymonkey.com/img/claw.jpg

the strange thing is the free pass he's getting.

I don't handle the Jets front office, they are probably having cocktails while they play...

The Big E

12-29-2005, 11:02 AM

"It's a great playoff system," Peterson said, "but I don't like it when teams can win 10 games and not make the playoffs. I don't want us to become the NBA, with 50% of the teams in the playoffs, but we should do something. This league is just so competitive."

So how different is it really if 14 of the 32 NFL teams make it? Seems pretty damn close to 50% to me. And haven't we had plenty of instances where teams are hovering around .500 yet still qualifying for the playoffs? boo hoo

footstepsfrom#27

12-29-2005, 11:20 AM

So how different is it really if 14 of the 32 NFL teams make it? Seems pretty damn close to 50% to me. And haven't we had plenty of instances where teams are hovering around .500 yet still qualifying for the playoffs? boo hoo
That's what I was thinking. I think it should be like the NCAA basketball tournament where the also rans get invited to the NIT as a boobie prize.

The Chiefs can compete for the Grey Cup when they miss the playoffs.;D

ludo21

12-29-2005, 11:28 AM

Ahhh..... dumb KC trolls cant back their retard GM. This is a dumb idea. 10-6 does NOT entitle you a playoff berth. Sorry, but winning games verse Philly, Boys, Bills even. KC is a joke and if they cant win the games that matter in the reg. season, why do they thin they belong in the playoffs?

footstepsfrom#27

12-29-2005, 11:40 AM

"We'd certainly be interested in televising the games if the NFL expanded," says Josh Krulewitz, spokesman for ABC/ESPN. ABC is televising Super Bowl XL from Detroit.
Sadly...if the league gets the idea there is more money to be made doing this, I wouldn't be surprised to see it.

broncosteven

12-29-2005, 11:42 AM

If they did fire him they would have to hire some one named Sanchez so I could call him "Dirty Sanchez" to continue my "Hot Carl" theme.

They could also Hire someone named Cleveland as KFC GM so I could use "Cleveland Steamer".

B-Love

12-29-2005, 04:01 PM

The Chiefs can compete for the Grey Cup when they miss the playoffs.;D

That's a great idea!! Let our .500-ish teams go to Canada and only play with 11 guys against their 12, and see if we could still kick some North of the Border ***.

Eh???

Kind of like sending 16-16 Wichita State to the Post Season NIT tournament in hoops.

elsid13

12-29-2005, 04:10 PM

That's a great idea!! Let our .500-ish teams go to Canada and only play with 11 guys against their 12, and see if we could still kick some North of the Border ***.

Eh???

Kind of like sending 16-16 Wichita State to the Post Season NIT tournament in hoops.

I'm all for dropping a team from the league if finished at the bottom of the standings like they do in European soccer and promoting from the level below, that the easiest way to make the Bidwells family go away.

Kaylore

12-29-2005, 04:37 PM

Maybe there is just too much competition in the AFCW for him. This is partly true. Denver won 11 games and couldn't go b/c of a loss to the Raiders in the 80's. The problem with King Carl's idea is that you already have the other side where in the NFC, 8 win teams were making the playoffs. Do we really need to see 6 win teams get in as well? I'm sure that in lieu of his team's suckage that it seems like a great idea right now, but when the other end is letting a bunch of raunch teams come in forcing people to watch them dick around and get eliminated immediately, I just think it devalues the whole experience.

-Slap-

12-29-2005, 05:11 PM

I guess they could pick the four wild card teams by record, without regard to Conference. I don't think the League wants to do that, though. I can understand that. Potentially, the Super Bowl matchup could be between two teams from the same division under that format.

Why doesn't Carl just grow some nuts instead?

elsid13

12-29-2005, 05:26 PM

maybe Carl should become the GM in NHL since it seem every team makes the playoffs.

Bronx33

12-29-2005, 05:42 PM

Carl just figured this out? ;D

Jetmeck

12-29-2005, 06:02 PM

That damn Derrick Johnson. Bust city...

YES THAT ONE LICK HE PUT ON jAKE WAS IMPRESSIVE ,
though he was unblocked. The guy has had his moments, but he has run around a lot like a chicken with its head cut off this year. Maybe next year that VAUNTED KC DEFENSE WILL RETURN. Maybe next year....maybe next year...is there an echo in here ?:flush:

OrangeCrush2724

12-29-2005, 08:36 PM

YES THAT ONE LICK HE PUT ON jAKE WAS IMPRESSIVE ,
though he was unblocked. The guy has had his moments, but he has run around a lot like a chicken with its head cut off this year. Maybe next year that VAUNTED KC DEFENSE WILL RETURN. Maybe next year....maybe next year...is there an echo in here ?:flush:

lol And again this offseason we will hear the same crap of how the Chief's defense has changed and how they have fixed their holes. And the Faider fans will also come out to say how Porter and Moss can't be stopped.

If you want in the playoffs then think twice before loosing to the Bills, you pansys. :bash:

Crushaholic

12-30-2005, 02:01 AM

At least when Vermeil is finished with coaching, we can still apply the :vermeil: smiley to King Carl...

watermock

12-30-2005, 03:29 AM

Problem is we will have to watcfh Dick4Meal for the next ten years on some NFL show.

crazyhorse

12-30-2005, 04:42 AM

lol And again this offseason we will hear the same crap of how the Chief's defense has changed and how they have fixed their holes. And the Faider fans will also come out to say how Porter and Moss can't be stopped.

If you want in the playoffs then think twice before loosing to the Bills, you pansys. :bash:

Didn't those same panzies just beat you about a month ago?

Yeah, I thought so.

crazyhorse

12-30-2005, 04:47 AM

At least when Vermeil is finished with coaching, we can still apply the :vermeil: smiley to King Carl...

Ive always wanted to know why this isn't Shanny's smiley.

:saywhat:

Complete with the twitching eye and everything. It's perfect. What gives?

Rock Chalk

12-30-2005, 06:01 AM

Didn't those same panzies just beat you about a month ago?

Yeah, I thought so.
In your house, in December and just barely.

Its not like the Chefs dominated Denver. It was a good game.

Acting like it was a repeat of the ass kicking Denver put on KC earlier in the year is childish and, well, right up your alley.

Orange_Beard

12-30-2005, 06:11 AM

Don't turn the NFL into the NHL or NBA.
The regular season means something in the NFL. Don't change!
I don't watch the NBA or NHL till the playoff's.

Regular season means nothing when there are soooooo many teams in the playoffs.

Even if the Chiefs win this weekend I would not call them a solid team.
They may be solid at home, But they stink on the road!

broncohaven

12-30-2005, 06:22 AM

Let's have all the teams get in. We can rank them 1-32, and have January madness.

Hey Carl- Maybe we should require a team be taken from each region of the country. Since you have a monopoly on "Hick Region" you're guaranteed a playoff spot every year.

I actually liked Salisbury's comments (first time ever, I swear) on the matter. "try tackling Tiki Barber, that'll get you in".

crazyhorse

12-30-2005, 07:22 AM

I can understand the over reaction because of the General Manager mentioned.

But you do realize that a 14 playoff team playoff would be the same percentage as 12 playoff teams out of 28, right?

Further, Peterson has had the same opinion well before this season. Suggesting it has no bearing on this season anyway. So there is no personal benefit from having suggesed it this season.

Personally I dont feel like it's a bad idea. It would mean that only one team had a 1st round bye. There would be 6 teams from each conference playing on wildcard weekend. So the revenue for the NFL would be there.

But the theory that it would be more playoff teams in contrast to what it has always been. That's simply poorly though out.

The fact is:

that 14 over 32 is 43.75% of teams making the playoffs.
and 12 over 28 is 42.85% of teams making the playoffs.

Meaning that it is proportionate to the expansion of the NFL. So Peterson is merely suggesting that the NFL take advantage of the expansion of the NFL where playoffs are considered. It's really quite simple.

But then, you guys knew that.

-Slap-

12-30-2005, 07:38 AM

BKK

12-30-2005, 07:41 AM

Further, Peterson has had the same opinion well before this season. Suggesting it has no bearing on this season anyway. So there is no personal benefit from having suggesed it this season.

He has been suggesting this for a long time, because he has missed the playoffs for a long long time as well, so yes, there is personal benefit. He would do well to transform the Chiefs into a professional franchise, that would solve his problems getting into the playoffs, look at the Broncos.

Taco John

12-30-2005, 07:46 AM

Personally I dont feel like it's a bad idea. It would mean that only one team had a 1st round bye.

Good lord. You start out with it not being a bad idea, and then you highlight the absolute worst part of the idea. Why punish a team that deserves a bye because some team couldn't take care of business when it was time to? It's moronic!

Name for me the team that won all of their home games and still came up short for the playoffs, and I'd consider it. But even then, we're looking at a team that is ready to get bounced on the road.

This idea is stupid beyond words.

Taco John

12-30-2005, 07:46 AM

He has been suggesting this for a long time, because he has missed the playoffs for a long long time as well, so yes, there is personal benefit. He would do well to transform the Chiefs into a professional franchise, that would solve his problems getting into the playoffs, look at the Broncos.

KC has won 3 playoff games in the last 35 years.

PatsWin2002

12-30-2005, 08:10 AM

KC has won 3 playoff games in the last 35 years.

Yeah, but who's countin'? :~ohyah!:

BroncoFanDoug

12-30-2005, 09:06 AM

I think the current playoff format is just about right:

It keeps the divisional intrigue (even though this can allow a mediocre team into the playoffs).
Two Wildcard teams ensures that a really good team in a divison with a dominant team has the chance to get in.
It does not allow 50% of the teams in, making the regular season meaningful.
It gives the playoff structure the right balance, and provides great incentive to do well during the season. The 1st round byes for the 4 best records works great.

If 4 WC teams got in, it would mean:

Any team better than average gets in
They would need to expand the playoffs by 1 week OR take away the major advantage of finishing 1 or 2 in the conference.

Rausch

12-30-2005, 09:08 AM

So how different is it really if 14 of the 32 NFL teams make it?

It isn't.

It's a ****ing stupid idea and he needs to concern himself with more important matters, like pushing the politicians to update Arrowhead...

watermock

12-30-2005, 09:43 AM

Christ, what do you want? 16 playoff teams? Let's just call it the NHL not the NFL. We allready have too many playoff tems IMO. I liked it when there were three divisions and one wild card. 4 in each conference...of course, why not milk the cow for all she's worth.

It's absurd. As mentioned, let's just make a 32 team tourney at this point. Over a third of teams allready make the playoffs.

Rausch

12-30-2005, 09:46 AM

Christ, what do you want? 16 playoff teams? Let's just call it the NHL not the NFL. We allready have too many playoff tems IMO. I liked it when there were three divisions and one wild card. 4 in each conference...of course, why not milk the cow for all she's worth.

I like the 12 we have now.

It ain't broke, don't start ****ing with it...

watermock

12-30-2005, 09:50 AM

It wasn't *broken* it was a simple matter of greed to make this idiotic setup.

It make capturing a bye crucial.

watermock

12-30-2005, 09:55 AM

I like the 12 we have now.

It ain't broke, don't start ****ing with it...

Then why did they? You clowns never fail to amuse me. They have tinkered with the playoffs every year. If it wasn't broke, why are they sucking up millions in franchise fees, changing divisions and playoff formats?"

You have absolutely no clue.You don't know the playoff format has been changed mulitiple times?

Odysseus

12-30-2005, 09:56 AM

Meaning that it is proportionate to the expansion of the NFL. So Peterson is merely suggesting that the NFL take advantage of the expansion of the NFL where playoffs are considered. It's really quite simple.

But then, you guys knew that.

You really need to stop huffing camero fumes. thwack

Rausch

12-30-2005, 09:59 AM

Then why did they? You clowns never fail to amuse me. They have tinkered with the playoffs every year. If it wasn't broke, why are they sucking up millions in franchise fees, changing divisions and playoff formats?"

You have absolutely no clue.You don't know the playoff format has been changed mulitiple times?

They've changed what it takes to get in, not the number of teams.

It doesn't matter what division you're in, if you're not top 6 in wins you stay home.

And for the less literate, I DON'T LIKE ****ING WITH THE SYSTEM. I don't WANT to change it more than it has been, and don't like changing it at all.

Why you've decided to pick an argument is beyond me.

watermock

12-30-2005, 10:23 AM

Baloney. When the NFL had three divisions, they would have one wild card game. Then they expanded and had 4 divisional winners, and still two wild cards.

I don't know what planet you have been on, but we used to have three divisions and one wild card. We had 4 playoff teams, just like it should still be. if you can't see them milking the cow, your blind.

Rausch

12-30-2005, 10:42 AM

I don't know what planet you have been on, but we used to have three divisions and one wild card. We had 4 playoff teams, just like it should still be. if you can't see them milking the cow, your blind.

Players also use to wear leather helmets and $#itty facemasks. That doesn't mean the NFL is trying to milk people, they're updating the game.

I like the current state of the NFL as far as the playoffs are concerned.

They haven't made drastic changes in years and I don't want them to start now. What has already been changed can't be undone, but we can keep the NFL from ****ing with it any more than necessary.

Hell, I hate how the rules have changed to make DB's 2nd class citizens, and I hate the pussification of the QB position.

Odysseus

12-30-2005, 10:55 AM

Hell, I hate how the rules have changed to make DB's 2nd class citizens, and I hate the pussification of the QB position.

That is sig worthy.

crazyhorse

12-30-2005, 12:19 PM

Good lord. You start out with it not being a bad idea, and then you highlight the absolute worst part of the idea. Why punish a team that deserves a bye because some team couldn't take care of business when it was time to? It's moronic!

This idea is stupid beyond words.

I see what the problem is here. You have your tits in a wringer because it could mean something to the number 2 seed, which just so happens to be the Donks this year.

Funny, the question I was asking is "Why penalize a team due to expansion? Why not raise the playoff teams so they are proportionate with the growth of the league.

The fact that you didn't comprehend what I was saying in the 1st place was kinda funny. However, compound that and your use of the words "stupid" and "moronic" and you have some comic relief. You must see the irony there?

Kinda like the clown that keeps pulling the rope and the same boot keeps kicking him in the ass. He's just too dumb to figure out that he's kicking his own ass.

You sir, shouldn't be calling anyone a moron.

Wes Mantooth

12-30-2005, 09:00 PM

Poor Chefs, They weren't crying for us when we went 11-5 & didn't make the play offs back in the early 80's.

Hot Carl just needs to build a better team & win more than 10 games.
Hot Carl!!! lol

Merlin

12-30-2005, 09:40 PM

Funny, the question I was asking is "Why penalize a team due to expansion? Why not raise the playoff teams so they are proportionate with the growth of the league.
Because it is an idiotic idea that perpetuates mediocrity. By increasing the number of teams they have watered down the talent. Now you are suggesting that not only should the regular season have games involving pathetic teams, but that truly mediocre teams should also be allowed to participate in the playoffs.

BTW, the philosophy behind this approach also intrigues mediocre GM's because it makes it easier for them to field a playoff bound team. Lousy owners such as KC's also like it because they have to commit less to the team, and yet they can look like they are accomplishing something. This philosophy is the last thing a KC fan should encourage because it will mire your team into the wasteland of avg existence for the foreseeable future.

DivineLegion

12-30-2005, 10:56 PM

crazyhorse

12-31-2005, 05:26 AM

Because it is an idiotic idea that perpetuates mediocrity. By increasing the number of teams they have watered down the talent. Now you are suggesting that not only should the regular season have games involving pathetic teams, but that truly mediocre teams should also be allowed to participate in the playoffs.

BTW, the philosophy behind this approach also intrigues mediocre GM's because it makes it easier for them to field a playoff bound team. Lousy owners such as KC's also like it because they have to commit less to the team, and yet they can look like they are accomplishing something. This philosophy is the last thing a KC fan should encourage because it will mire your team into the wasteland of avg existence for the foreseeable future.

So you're saying until the expansion of the NFL to 32 teams that teams making the playoffs were merely mediocre? Does that include the Broncos?

Donko fans....I love you retards.

crazyhorse

12-31-2005, 05:27 AM

14 minus two top seeds divided by two = 6 divided by two equals 3 DOAH!
14 minus four = 10...ok divided by two equals five DOAH!
14 minus....errrr

Looks to me like carls to not to good at math or has never tried to lay out a bracket...What does he want the first place team to have two bye weeks...Fat chance He should have consolted someone about this before he opened his trap...

Why would one team have 2 bye weeks. You aren't really this dumb, are ya?

I'll put the numbers up again.

The fact is:

that 14 over 32 is 43.75% of teams making the playoffs.
and 12 over 28 is 42.85% of teams making the playoffs.

Peterson is merely suggesting that things stay the same. With the expansion of the league the NFL has made no adjustment to the playoff format. He's not trying to "water down the talen". But trying to keep it the same as it was before.

Just in case you are this dumb, there would only be one team tto get one bye week. The other 6 would play duyring wildcard weekend. the remaining 3 from that weekend, with the addition of the one team on a bye, would make up 4 teams to play each other. It's pretty simple.

Maybe your math aint too good. 'dya ever think-o-that? LOL

Rausch

12-31-2005, 05:42 AM

Hot Carl!!! lol

You sign up when friendfinder sends you email, don't you?...

broncohaven

12-31-2005, 05:50 AM

that 14 over 32 is 43.75% of teams making the playoffs.
and 12 over 28 is 42.85% of teams making the playoffs.

Peterson is merely suggesting that things stay the same. With the expansion of the league the NFL has made no adjustment to the playoff format. He's not trying to "water down the talen". But trying to keep it the same as it was before.

Peterson says he doesn't want it to be like basketball where half the teams make the playoffs, and yet suggesting a 14 team playoff is almost exactly that.

Peterson is merely trying to suggest a scenario where the Chiefs stand a chance at getting into the postseason. If you think there's any other motivation, you're delusional.

The league has adjusted the playoff format, btw. Or are you unaware that the Wild Card is a relatively new addition?

Dear Carl,

Beat Buffalo, and you'd be in.

crazyhorse

12-31-2005, 06:02 AM

Peterson says he doesn't want it to be like basketball where half the teams make the playoffs, and yet suggesting a 14 team playoff is almost exactly that.

Peterson is merely trying to suggest a scenario where the Chiefs stand a chance at getting into the postseason. If you think there's any other motivation, you're delusional.

The league has adjusted the playoff format, btw. Or are you unaware that the Wild Card is a relatively new addition?

Dear Carl,

Beat Buffalo, and you'd be in.

Make no mistake. My point has nothing to do with the Chiefs. It has to do with keeping the playoff teams percentage the same as it was. Suggesting that proposing this to the NFL would have some effect this season is well, short sighted.

Are you saying that if the NFL were to accept this proposal, that they would suddenly say, okay let's do it this year. Chiefs, you're in?

Damn boy....keep up.

broncohaven

12-31-2005, 07:03 AM

Make no mistake. My point has nothing to do with the Chiefs. It has to do with keeping the playoff teams percentage the same as it was. Suggesting that proposing this to the NFL would have some effect this season is well, short sighted.

Are you saying that if the NFL were to accept this proposal, that they would suddenly say, okay let's do it this year. Chiefs, you're in?

Damn boy....keep up.
My point is that the Chiefs are only going to be a top 6 AFC team once every blue moon. So you're saying this has nothing to do with the Chiefs is absurd. It has everything to do with the Chiefs, and you know it.

Your percentage argument is flawed because throughout the history of the NFL, we have a higher percentage of teams making the playoffs today than we have in the past. In the 70s there was only one wild card from each conference, and three divisional winners. Meaning that only 8 of 28 teams made the playoffs, or roughly 29% of the league teams.

Today there is an extra divisional winner and an extra wild card winner, which means that roughly 39% of teams make the playoffs. Keep gasping though, you may eventually grasp a valid argument.

RMT

12-31-2005, 07:38 AM

Peterson will want this proposal to go through even MORE after the Chiefs are officially out of the playoffs ... today :)

Spider

12-31-2005, 08:23 AM

LOL , this isnt the special olympics , not every one gets to participate , you have to earn the right to the post season , I know chief fans and the team is desperate , but if the Chiefs want in,they have to do it the old fashion way .....I remember not to long ago Denver was a wild card team @12 -4 .....and then in 1985 11-5 not making the post season .........no ribbons for second place in the NFL ....... too bad ..so sad ....... bye bye now

crazyhorse

12-31-2005, 08:23 AM

My point is that the Chiefs are only going to be a top 6 AFC team once every blue moon. So you're saying this has nothing to do with the Chiefs is absurd. It has everything to do with the Chiefs, and you know it.

Your percentage argument is flawed because throughout the history of the NFL, we have a higher percentage of teams making the playoffs today than we have in the past. In the 70s there was only one wild card from each conference, and three divisional winners. Meaning that only 8 of 28 teams made the playoffs, or roughly 29% of the league teams.

Today there is an extra divisional winner and an extra wild card winner, which means that roughly 39% of teams make the playoffs. Keep gasping though, you may eventually grasp a valid argument.

The 70s huh?

Well, maybe you're right. Maybe it should only be 8 teams.

My arguement has merit. Maybe not in 1970.

What was the playoff format in the 1950's? Why not use it?

I can see I'm wasting my time here. What a pity.

Spider

12-31-2005, 08:27 AM

I can see I'm wasting my time here. What a pity.
of course you are , we understand thatyou have to prove yourself to get to the post season ......... and if you look at it the wild card slot is for teams that get hot , go on a streak ....... that have Earned a post season spot , but struggled early

Ballhawk

12-31-2005, 04:03 PM

System is fine, win 11 games and you are in. 10 wins has always been a bubble number. Last thing I want to see is the NFL looking like the NHL.

Bronco Rob

12-31-2005, 05:27 PM

LISTEN, this is the SAME Queen Carla Peter-Less that wanted the AFC/NFC championship games played at a neutral site. He said this after the Queefs got crushed by the Bills in 93/94 championship game. Needless to say take anything this douche drinking spin doctor spews with a grain of salt.

Merlin

12-31-2005, 10:31 PM

So you're saying until the expansion of the NFL to 32 teams that teams making the playoffs were merely mediocre? Does that include the Broncos?

Donko fans....I love you retards.
You must have been very proud of in the Special Olympics, and I am happy to see they taught you how to type. Now lets try again my little moron. If you expand the league, you dilute the talent. As you dilute the talent you also dilute the teams. If you also increase the number of teams qualifying for the playoff to account for the higher number of teams, you are now further diluting the playoffs. Therefore, the conclusion above is 180 degrees off. Now go play with your little toys, there are adults that want to talk here.

Hail CH, may he preside over his dominion of KC retards.

You gotta love KC fans, their poor intellect due to inbreeding does provide for nice entertainment. Happy New Year... or sorry you are a KC fan.