How to Solve the Saftey Problem

[llayne]

If, and it is an if, Charles Woodson was willing to take a paycut and come here to play safty would you guys be open to it? He would add a lot of playmaking ability to the D and it would pronlong his career. Maybe spend 3 mill a year on him, the same money we are spending on Lynch.

[sirhcyennek81]

No. Archuleta is going to become a FA this offseason, maybe. He would be an excellent addition, younger version of Lynch. Wont have to change the defense substantially, plus, archuleta can cover. Woodson would be a good pickup if he can stay healthy. Lately, that has not happened.

:Broncos:

[Clockwork Orange]

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[sirhcyennek81]

Brandon has been coming on lately. Like the light went on in his head or something.

[DomCasual]

If, and it is an if, Charles Woodson was willing to take a paycut and come here to play safty would you guys be open to it? He would add a lot of playmaking ability to the D and it would pronlong his career. Maybe spend 3 mill a year on him, the same money we are spending on Lynch.
llayne, where are you? It's a longshot, but you don't have family in Utah or Arizona, do you? I have a friend with the last name of Layne that is a crazy Bronco fan.

[Atlas]

http://www.draftshowcase.com/MichaelHuff2.jpg

I agree. I'm on Huff's bandwagon. He scores a TD almost everytime he intercepts a pass. One mock draft I found had Denver taking him.

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Michael Huff
Texas
FS
Sort of a risky pick, when you consider the Broncos can use help at wide out and along the OL, but Huff is so underrated, that this pick would be looked at as a steal in a few years. He can play cornerback, but his future in Denver would be as a centerpiece at FS. Great ball skills, very good tackler, and a very smart player. Also consider – Claude Wroten.

[24champ]

I agree. I'm on Huff's bandwagon. He scores a TD almost everytime he intercepts a pass. One mock draft I found had Denver taking him.

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Michael Huff
Texas
FS
Sort of a risky pick, when you consider the Broncos can use help at wide out and along the OL, but Huff is so underrated, that this pick would be looked at as a steal in a few years. He can play cornerback, but his future in Denver would be as a centerpiece at FS. Great ball skills, very good tackler, and a very smart player. Also consider – Claude Wroten.
Yup consider me on the bandwagon too. He would also be a great special teamer something shanny likes.

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[Natedogg]

sup el-p!

I actully would love to see woodson come here (always been a fan) but I just see him as being too "me first." If Shanny sat him down and told him how it was gonna be and if woody played for rings instead of esteem, I'd be all for it. Unfortutately, I doubt he'd even take a pay cut. :(

[Gcver2ver3]

If, and it is an if, Charles Woodson was willing to take a paycut and come here to play safty would you guys be open to it? He would add a lot of playmaking ability to the D and it would pronlong his career. Maybe spend 3 mill a year on him, the same money we are spending on Lynch.



resounding yes!....good thread

he'd have to take a major paycut though....

i don't see him doing that.....

but it's possible....shanny likes woodson...and he'd love to take him away from oakland to stick it to old mr. davis

[easymobee]

Safeties are too easy to draft at bargain rates to worry about a move that drastic (Woodson).

Most 1st round safeties turn out to be good pros. They don't tend to be as prone to busting as QB's, RB's, WR's etc ....

The FO can blow our extra first rounder at one if they are that worried about it .... or even just a 2nd-3rd rounder will usually net a good safety.

[easymobee]

Brandon has been coming on lately. Like the light went on in his head or something.

It has been just like a lightbulb went on over his head.

I used to wonder forever why he made the final roster (other than ST's) after initially being high on him out of college, and finally this year he has shown me something good.

[Kaylore]

Safeties are too easy to draft at bargain rates to worry about a move that drastic (Woodson).

Most 1st round safeties turn out to be good pros. They don't tend to be as prone to busting as QB's, RB's, WR's etc ....

The FO can blow our extra first rounder at one if they are that worried about it .... or even just a 2nd-3rd rounder will usually net a good safety.
Thank you. Between what we have on IR, what we might draft, and cheaper FA options, I don't like the idea of throwing our money at that possition. It's not a possition any team should need to spend a ton of money on unless the player is completely crazy good.

[Orange_Beard]

We need someone who can FLY. We have pently of hitters/run stoppers.

Hope we can find someone who can get back and help on the deep ball.
Broncos have given up WAY to many deep balls this year.

[OrangeShadow]

http://www.draftshowcase.com/MichaelHuff2.jpg


YES ive been on the huff bandwagon for a long time now

[meangene]

I think we have bigger needs at WR and pass rushing DE. This is a good draft for safeties even beyond Huff. If we are going to throw FA money at a position I think it should be WR because this is a weak draft at WR and the need is more glaring. Woodson can't stay healthy and has had some attitude issues as well.

[Elway 4 Life]

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This would be the only option that would make me happy.

[Rascal]

Pass on Woodson. But Sam Brandon is not the answer either, the guy is too slow and too stiff in the hips. He is basically a safety version of Walls IMO. I don't understand the hype for Browner either since has yet to even play a down this season (they are more comfortable with Cox should be hint).

I would be happy if we selected Huff, but we would have to do so with our "1a" pick.

[watermock]

Unless he is a true cover safety I'm not interested....the days of big hitting safeties is over...you have to cover now....you can still hit, but the days of taking a head off are over for good.

[meangene]

Unless he is a true cover safety I'm not interested....the days of big hitting safeties is over...you have to cover now....you can still hit, but the days of taking a head off are over for good.

I agree. Ed Reed is the prototype safety of the future. With the rules the way they are, safeties have to be able to cover. Any time there is a big hit in the secondary there is a flag anyway and usually a fine. Huff is a former corner and can cover as can Smith out of Syracuse and Landry from LSU who is expected to come out. The latter two should be available late in Rd. 1 or early Rd. 2.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Why would Woodson want to take a pay cut to play out of position? Why would Denver want to bring in a 30 year old guy who is going to make to much money when we can rebuild through the draft a lot cheaper? I disagree that the days of the big hitter safety are over. Rodney Harrison types will never be out of style but they do have to cover also.

[Traveler]

The following questions are a little off topic, but here it goes:

Does anyone else here think Shanny and company will pull one of those "what are they thinking moves" after we see our 2 first round selections (if he doesn't package them to move up)?

Also, what are your thoughts if the Faiders actually pulloff of a trade to land Reggie Bush (if he does decide to enter the draft)?

[BMF Bronco]

am I insane in thinking that we have finally solidified our secondary?! Lynchy is the most basass hitter in the league!

[broncosteven]

The following questions are a little off topic, but here it goes:

Does anyone else here think Shanny and company will pull one of those "what are they thinking moves" after we see our 2 first round selections (if he doesn't package them to move up)?

Also, what are your thoughts if the Faiders actually pulloff of a trade to land Reggie Bush (if he does decide to enter the draft)?


I would bet he uses at least one of the 1st round picks to trade away & pick up a 2nd & 3rd or more. is that what you mean? I doubt we pick 2 1st rounders & I don't think there is anyone left that he wants to move up to get giving up 2 1st rounders for.

[elsid13]

The following questions are a little off topic, but here it goes:

Does anyone else here think Shanny and company will pull one of those "what are they thinking moves" after we see our 2 first round selections (if he doesn't package them to move up)?

Also, what are your thoughts if the Faiders actually pulloff of a trade to land Reggie Bush (if he does decide to enter the draft)?


Answer one Hell yes Expect a QB/RB or LB or guy everyone thinks would be there in the third

Answer two- no, Raider need line help and Jordan is pretty good

[Mediator12]

Pass on Woodson. But Sam Brandon is not the answer either, the guy is too slow and too stiff in the hips. He is basically a safety version of Walls IMO. I don't understand the hype for Browner either since has yet to even play a down this season (they are more comfortable with Cox should be hint).

I would be happy if we selected Huff, but we would have to do so with our "1a" pick.

Browner was put on IR due to the hand injury, he was out 8 weeks. Therefore, he can not play. Hamza Abdullah and Browner will compete with Brandon and Ferguson for a spot at safety next year. Will they look to upgrade here, Possibly. But they have young talent there to develop behind the starters. Brandon is a FA this year I think though they will probably resign him.

Finally, the Lynch can not cover argument is getting old. They do not use him to cover except in zone where he has been the most consistant player. I mean seriously, Lynch has not given up one big passing play all year. He has not been beaten deep over the top once. He makes great plays in the running game causing the fumble that won the BAL game. He blitzes better than 90% of the FS's out there.

I still hate the false perception that Lynch causes the passing game to struggle since he is the only consistant part. Ferguson has allowed three huge TD catches being out of position, Lynch Zero. If the other players could execute a zone coverage worth a crap, they would not be so poor in passing defense. In man, he never gets caught out of position like everyone else in the secondary and has delivered some huge hits on other players men.

[baja]

Pass on Woodson. But Sam Brandon is not the answer either, the guy is too slow and too stiff in the hips. He is basically a safety version of Walls IMO. <b> I don't understand the hype for Browner either since has yet to even play a down this season (they are more comfortable with Cox should be hint).</b>

I would be happy if we selected Huff, but we would have to do so with our "1a" pick.

It's very hard to get on the field when you are on injured reserve such as Browner is.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Huff or Landry

[Rascal]

It's very hard to get on the field when you are on injured reserve such as Browner is.

LOL I forgot about that. But still some of the hype he gets around here is unwaranted.

[elsid13]

LOL I forgot about that. But still some of the hype he gets around here is unwaranted.


The hype was due to the fact that was rapidly moving up the depth chart in camp. I think he was running with the second team before his injury. Not bad for undrafted FA. Hopefully he turns in quality player.

[Rock Chalk]

Call me crazy, but I like the future of Fergy and Browner.

[elsid13]

Call me crazy, but I like the future of Fergy and Browner.


Fergy has played well, but I expect our future safety combo will be Brandon and Browner. We will pass on Huff and sign some skinny WR that only runs go routs because of Kubes play calling.

[Elway 4 Life]

am I insane in thinking that we have finally solidified our secondary?! Lynchy is the most basass hitter in the league!

You said hitter and you are right but he cant cover for ****. We need a cover safety. A ballhawk so to speak.

[Rock Chalk]

Fergy has played well, but I expect our future safety combo will be Brandon and Browner. We will pass on Huff and sign some skinny WR that only runs go routs because of Kubes play calling.
Brandon seems like a stop gap to me, not a permanent replacement.

[elsid13]

Brandon seems like a stop gap to me, not a permanent replacement.

He having good year because it contract year, in my opinion. Hope I'm wrong.

[Odysseus]

Thank you. Between what we have on IR, what we might draft, and cheaper FA options, I don't like the idea of throwing our money at that possition. It's not a possition any team should need to spend a ton of money on unless the player is completely crazy good.

Broncos have been stellar in finding UDFA. I think they should continue the smart money tactics.

[Mediator12]

You know the board cries over ESPN's analysis of crap and then regurgitates it word for word about certain players. Yes, John Lynch has probably lost a step. Has it hurt him or the team in coverage though? No. The scheme is designed to allow others to cover man to man. When he does he has an intermediate route responsibility such as the flats for a RB. He is the best player in the secondary covering in Zone as he anticipates and flows with routes.

Here is a serious question. When have you seen him blow a passing assignment? I have all the games on tape and I make notes on them after every game. I have not recorded Lynch being beat for one big play all year in the passing game. So, before you allow others perception to shape your thinking on Lynch in coverage here, ask yourself to remember one play where he hurt the team in coverage.

[Elway 4 Life]

You know the board cries over ESPN's analysis of crap and then regurgitates it word for word about certain players. Yes, John Lynch has probably lost a step. Has it hurt him or the team in coverage though? No. The scheme is designed to allow others to cover man to man. When he does he has an intermediate route responsibility such as the flats for a RB. He is the best player in the secondary covering in Zone as he anticipates and flows with routes.

Here is a serious question. When have you seen him blow a passing assignment? I have all the games on tape and I make notes on them after every game. I have not recorded Lynch being beat for one big play all year in the passing game. So, before you allow others perception to shape your thinking on Lynch in coverage here, ask yourself to remember one play where he hurt the team in coverage.

Your probably right. he is not asked to cover because it is a big weakness. Fergy has alot of cover responsibility and gets beat alot. I think talk of browner doing anything is premature. We dont even know if the cat can play. I dont think we have a strong safety core. I think we have an adequate one but not strong.

[Rascal]

The scheme is designed to allow others to cover man to man. When he does he has an intermediate route responsibility such as the flats for a RB. He is the best player in the secondary covering in Zone as he anticipates and flows with routes.

You are making no sense.

"The scheme is designed to allow others to cover man to man"...no kidding that's called man coverage. The fact that he is only covering intermediate routes and not deep ones is a clear indication that he can not cover the WR's. He only covers man to man against RB's (that's what you said) is not a good indication that he is good in pass coverage. With the exception of Westbrook when was the last time we faced a RB that would go deep? It's pretty easy to cover a RB since all they do is go out in the flat.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I would bet he uses at least one of the 1st round picks to trade away & pick up a 2nd & 3rd or more. is that what you mean? I doubt we pick 2 1st rounders & I don't think there is anyone left that he wants to move up to get giving up 2 1st rounders for.
Trading up to get Mario Williams would be a certifiable coup. I'd give both first rounders in a heartbeat to do that but I don't know if that would be enough.

[Mediator12]

You are making no sense.

"The scheme is designed to allow others to cover man to man"...no kidding that's called man coverage. The fact that he is only covering intermediate routes and not deep ones is a clear indication that he can not cover the WR's. He only covers man to man against RB's (that's what you said) is not a good indication that he is good in pass coverage. With the exception of Westbrook when was the last time we faced a RB that would go deep? It's pretty easy to cover a RB since all they do is go out in the flat.

Sorry rascal, I did not think I would need to explain this to you of all posters.

Most safety's do not cover man to man even when the CB's and LB's do. At least one safety covers the deep ball, usually cover one. Feguson, usually is designated the cover one safety. Sometimes two safeties cover deep space with Cover two, and they both cover deep halves of the field. And the version that Denver runs most is Cover three with both CB's and One safety going deep to cover area. In that Formation, Lynch usually covers an under zone where typically a LB might cover. That is what I am talking about. There are more exotic versions of safety coverage such as robber and cover Zero that Denver employs.

Denver opts not to use Lynch covering a TE or WR in twins sets either. They use the LB's with Lynch covering the deep zone in that area, but usually switching the twin set zone to Ferguson and with Lynch Blitzing or sitting on the TE side for run support.

Occasionally, very occasionally, he does draw some man coverage. Most of the time they audible to a zone though if he gets matched to a WR or TE.

Sorry if that original post was confusing rascal. The point is they scheme around Lynch covering a man most of the time opting to put better talented man coverage players in that role. In Zone, he is the best at playing his zone without giving up a reception. Therefore, Lynch does not give problems in coverage to this team because they put him in position to do what he does best. That just happens to be playing zone coverage or blitzing.

[FantomForce]

Always been a Woodsen fan since his days in Michigan. I would love to see him come over and become the next Neil Smith story winning a Super Bowl after coming over the the best team in the AFC west