Okay...let's talk Pro Bowl Snubs

[Gcver2ver3]

I have a few....how about Ogunleye for the Bears?...Vilma for the Jets...

Galloway for the Bucs....Isn't it a shame to see Vick make the Pro Bowl and Plummer can't because of being in a much better conference?

What happened to Sauerbun?...How does he lead in votes and STILL get snubbed?


Well the biggest insult is o-line votes...

How is it that the Broncos are number 1 in the AFC in rushing, and number 2 in the AFC in sacks allowed, and number 4 in the AFC in offense and ZERO offensive lineman make the Pro Bowl?

Makes no sense....when it comes to judging o-lineman you go by protecting the qb and running the ball....what better is there to go by?....Collectively no team in FOOTBALL does this better than Denver....but no lineman makes the AFC Pro Bowl?

What criteria are they using?.....reputation i guess...what a shame


anyway...share some of your snubs...

[gunns]

I'd say the biggest was Tarik Glenn. Reported he made the pro bowl, announced it, then did a recount and he didn't. Jonathon Ogden?

[DBroncos4life]

Kyle Vanden Bosch.

[Gcver2ver3]

Kyle Vanden Bosch.



that's a good one....can't understand that snub either

[dbroncos31]

vanden bosch, nalen, galloway, and reggie wayne. chambers is overrated...he had done almost nothing this season until the last 2 games...also, i think that the only 1,000 yd receivers are rod, reggie, marvin, and chad...all four should have made the pro bowl, but reggie didn't.

[GreatBronco16]

Todd S was 5th in the AFC in NET punting, and 7th in average.

Now C. Hentrich, punter from Tenn, had only 24 of his 64 punts returned for a total of 85 yards. Lowest in the NFL over any punter with 20 or more punt attempts.

[broncofan]

Adrian Wilson.

[Bronco LB 59]

Galloway for the Bucs

Galloway, Anquan and Plaxico had great cases but the NFC WR competition was fierce. You can't complain about any of the wide receivers that made it!

Look at the numbers:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFC/RECYDS/2005/regular

[Dukes]

I have a few....how about Ogunleye for the Bears?...Vilma for the Jets...

Galloway for the Bucs....Isn't it a shame to see Vick make the Pro Bowl and Plummer can't because of being in a much better conference?

What happened to Sauerbun?...How does he lead in votes and STILL get snubbed?


Well the biggest insult is o-line votes...

How is it that the Broncos are number 1 in the AFC in rushing, and number 2 in the AFC in sacks allowed, and number 4 in the AFC in offense and ZERO offensive lineman make the Pro Bowl?

Makes no sense....when it comes to judging o-lineman you go by protecting the qb and running the ball....what better is there to go by?....Collectively no team in FOOTBALL does this better than Denver....but no lineman makes the AFC Pro Bowl?

What criteria are they using?.....reputation i guess...what a shame


anyway...share some of your snubs...

I think the reason why the Oline does not give away many sacks is because Jake is such a great scrambler. I can't count how many times the pocket has collapsed and Jake only made it out of there because of his own athletisism and vision. Just my .02

[Gcver2ver3]

I think the reason why the Oline does not give away many sacks is because Jake is such a great scrambler. I can't count how many times the pocket has collapsed and Jake only made it out of there because of his own athletisism and vision. Just my .02


good point...i still think at least nalen should've made the squad though

[Gcver2ver3]

Galloway, Anquan and Plaxico had great cases but the NFC WR competition was fierce. You can't complain about any of the wide receivers that made it!

Look at the numbers:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFC/RECYDS/2005/regular



yeah i already saw them....i would've taken moss off....i feel galloway is making a bigger impact....but moss has been stellar too (although he's slowed down some after fast start)

at least 6 deserve to go....this is true....but my pick is galloway over moss

[The Big E]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ar5cJSclC3zxK9csBNk2dX45nYcB?slug=cr-notebook122105&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I was just going to post this article on Pro Bowl snubs, and we already have this thread. Some of the names have already been mentioned. There was one Bronco on the list:

Jake Plummer, QB, Denver Broncos
Just on sheer production, there is no way you can argue that he should have taken the place of Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer. But for those who believe efficiency and smart play should count for something, then Plummer was a victim of big numbers. But he's been mistake-free almost all season, with really only two sub-par games. His 18 touchdowns through 14 games aren't staggering, but Plummer's play has made the Broncos what they are.

[Gcver2ver3]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ar5cJSclC3zxK9csBNk2dX45nYcB?slug=cr-notebook122105&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I was just going to post this article on Pro Bowl snubs, and we already have this thread. Some of the names have already been mentioned. There was one Bronco on the list:

Jake Plummer, QB, Denver Broncos
Just on sheer production, there is no way you can argue that he should have taken the place of Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer. But for those who believe efficiency and smart play should count for something, then Plummer was a victim of big numbers. But he's been mistake-free almost all season, with really only two sub-par games. His 18 touchdowns through 14 games aren't staggering, but Plummer's play has made the Broncos what they are.


yeah....i hope to not jinx by saying this but i am very satisfied with plummer and i hope he finishes his career here...:Broncos:

[The Big E]

Galloway, Anquan and Plaxico had great cases but the NFC WR competition was fierce. You can't complain about any of the wide receivers that made it!

Look at the numbers:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFC/RECYDS/2005/regular
I had questioned why Fitzgerald made it and Boldin didn't. Maybe it's just because Boldin missed a few games due to injury, but they seem pretty equal to me. Still, it is hard to say the ones who made it at WR are undeserving.

edit: actually, looking at the stats Boldin would almost surely be first in receptions and yardage, but not TD's, had he not missed a few games.

[The Big E]

yeah....i hope to not jinx by saying this but i am very satisfied with plummer and i hope he finishes his career here...:Broncos:
I hope he does as well. If he can carry over what he's done this year I think he'll have a better shot at making the Pro Bowl next year. It takes time to change perceptions, and I believe people are finally accepting his turnaround. As one of his biggest homer fans, even I didn't expect him to have only 6 int's at this point. But I'll take it!

[watermock]

Don't care honestly..the ballot is salted, but it's worthless...

[Rausch]

Not putting blocking fulback Tony Richardson in there is ****ing criminal.

He clears a Anna Nicole Smith sized hole for both Holmes and LJ.

It's no coincidence both blew up behind the guy...

[Gcver2ver3]

also i forgot to mention klye johnson should be in pro bowl also

[Dudeskey]

Vanden Bosch and Donnie Edwards stick out the most in my mind...™

[watermock]

Doesn't Matter Whatsoever

[Mile High 81]

Bullock (Titans) is not in, I still cant believe this. He lead the Fan Vote but they send Porter to Hawaii. Steelers Fans are very pissed about his play, I can’t believe this.

And I have to say that Lynch does not play at Pro Bowl Level this year in my mind…..

[boltaneer]

I think fans in general won't be likely to vote for any Denver linemen because of all the 'chop block' reputation they have. Ask any fan of any other team who the dirtiest linemen are and I'd bet most would say Denver. I've browsed many different message boards of other teams and I've seen it brought up countless times.

Now whether this is true or not is a whole different discussion. ;)

And maybe players feel similiar as well? I can't explain why the other 2/3 of the votes from coaches and players wouldn't vote their way. But it's going to be hard for any AFC linemen to get in with the current bunch in KC.

As for snubs, I agree with Galloway. Mathis over Ty Law for CB. Johnathan Ogden shouldn't have taken a spot from someone else. Same with Keith Brooking. In some way I kind of feel like Merriman should have just missed it. Donnie Edwards always gets snubbed though he's not having his usual standout year. I felt Reggie Wayne was also snubbed. It's hard to pick an NFC quarterback who got snubbed because there isn't much to pick from but Vick sure as hell shouldn't be in there but I'd go with Brunell.

LBers will always have it tough. There are a bunch of LBers every year that get snubbed to a large degree. I think the NFL should add 1-2 more spots for LBs since there are a lot of 3-4 teams nowadays with many good linebackers populating the league.

[Jesterhole]

Denver line gets the snubs because of the 'unit' label. They are a great 'unit', so no one sticks out.

Which is a flat out lie.

Nalen has dominated linebackers this season and created huge gaps up the center. Lepsis has been a freakin' wall at left tackle. Oh, and all our good runs are to his side as well.

[-Slap-]

I had questioned why Fitzgerald made it and Boldin didn't. Maybe it's just because Boldin missed a few games due to injury, but they seem pretty equal to me. Still, it is hard to say the ones who made it at WR are undeserving.

edit: actually, looking at the stats Boldin would almost surely be first in receptions and yardage, but not TD's, had he not missed a few games.
If you look beyond the numbers, Fitzgerald is the more complete receiver.

[orange 4 life]

probowl snubs?

jake plummer, jake plummer, and........hmmm....well, jake plummer.

fvck the probowl.

[fontaine]

Eh, four Broncos made it in. I'm happy.

[NaptownChief]

I'd say the biggest was Tarik Glenn. Reported he made the pro bowl, announced it, then did a recount and he didn't. Jonathon Ogden?


Glenn is vastly overrated IMHO. He leads the league in false starts year after year. Looks much better than he is cause Manning gets rid of the ball so quick.

If you watch the Chargers/Colts game you saw what a really explosive DLine did to him and that Colts line. The RT Diem, hurt his knee and they put in the rookie Gandy yet all the heat on Manning was coming up the middle and through Glenn.

[rbackfactory80]

Pro bowl is a joke, sick of people voted in because of who they are, ie Gonzales

[watermock]

Who cares?

[The Big E]

Not putting blocking fulback Tony Richardson in there is ****ing criminal.

He clears a Anna Nicole Smith sized hole for both Holmes and LJ.


There's a few ways I could go with this, but I'll go the safer route. Is that before or after TRIMSPA?

[broncofan]

Don't care honestly..the ballot is salted, but it's worthless...
Doesn't Matter Whatsoever
Who cares?


Now I see how you have 50,000 posts.

[illbroncsfn]

Two Bears- Adewale Ogunleye and Alex Brown- both ferocious DE's are two of the biggest snubs IMHO.

For us, it's a tossup between Nalen and Lepsis- earlier in the year I felt you could have thrown Hamilton in there as well...

[Broncoman13]

Don't know if it's been talked about or not but the real snub is with the # of players taken. All too often you end up with guys like Boldin, Galloway, Wayne, and Ward that are left off b/c of spots.

That said, how does Peyton Manning set the record for votes THIS year. Last year I could certainly see, but this year he's no better than Palmer.

Rudi Johnson was snubbed as well. Not saying he deserved it more than LJ, but that's another perfect example of needing a larger roster.

[Alphaman]

But it's going to be hard for any AFC linemen to get in with the current bunch in KC.


Chiefs fan here. This has not been a pro bowl year for Shields and honestly he shouldn't have gotten in. I can't say if his spot should have gone to a Bronco O-Lineman or not (I don't follow o-linemen enough to say), but he did not have a pro bowl year.

[Gcver2ver3]

I think fans in general won't be likely to vote for any Denver linemen because of all the 'chop block' reputation they have. Ask any fan of any other team who the dirtiest linemen are and I'd bet most would say Denver. I've browsed many different message boards of other teams and I've seen it brought up countless times.

Now whether this is true or not is a whole different discussion. ;)

And maybe players feel similiar as well? I can't explain why the other 2/3 of the votes from coaches and players wouldn't vote their way. But it's going to be hard for any AFC linemen to get in with the current bunch in KC.

As for snubs, I agree with Galloway. Mathis over Ty Law for CB. Johnathan Ogden shouldn't have taken a spot from someone else. Same with Keith Brooking. In some way I kind of feel like Merriman should have just missed it. Donnie Edwards always gets snubbed though he's not having his usual standout year. I felt Reggie Wayne was also snubbed. It's hard to pick an NFC quarterback who got snubbed because there isn't much to pick from but Vick sure as hell shouldn't be in there but I'd go with Brunell.

LBers will always have it tough. There are a bunch of LBers every year that get snubbed to a large degree. I think the NFL should add 1-2 more spots for LBs since there are a lot of 3-4 teams nowadays with many good linebackers populating the league.


i agree with your entire post...you're on the money...

good job on bringing up rasheem mathis....he's better than law...law gets picks but gets penalties all day long

i agree with you on your lb point as well...vilma & fletcher should be in also

plus brunell should be in over vick...again i agree...i'd put bledsoe in over vick also

i am on a bunch of other boards too...they all call our line dirty...you're right

[SJ Bronco]

the fans want to see vick, i know i do. numbers be damned, im watching the pro bowl to see stars play a meaningless exibition game, i want vick, not brunell....

[Dudeskey]

probowl snubs?

jake plummer, jake plummer, and........hmmm....well, jake plummer.

fvck the probowl.

Plummer? Okay now thats going a bit overboard. Granted he's been solid, but Palmer, Manning, Brady? Thats tough comapny to beat as it is.

[Gcver2ver3]

Plummer? Okay now thats going a bit overboard. Granted he's been solid, but Palmer, Manning, Brady? Thats tough comapny to beat as it is.



true....but plummer makes the squad in the nfc all day long

[Bronco LB 59]

I think fans in general won't be likely to vote for any Denver linemen because of all the 'chop block' reputation they have. Ask any fan of any other team who the dirtiest linemen are and I'd bet most would say Denver. I've browsed many different message boards of other teams and I've seen it brought up countless times.

Now whether this is true or not is a whole different discussion. ;)

And maybe players feel similiar as well? I can't explain why the other 2/3 of the votes from coaches and players wouldn't vote their way. But it's going to be hard for any AFC linemen to get in with the current bunch in KC.

Yet, Tom Nalen has been to the Pro Bowl 5 times. He was a first alternate in 2004 and 2005.

Ben Hamilton is a third alternate this season. Dan Neil was an alternate in 2004 and Matt Lepsis was an alternate in 2003. The linemen are getting the respect, they are just missing the honor because established guys are tough to knock off.

How many Chargers offensive linemen are Pro Bowl alternates? Exactly!

[Bronco Billy]

Two Bears- Adewale Ogunleye and Alex Brown- both ferocious DE's are two of the biggest snubs IMHO.

For us, it's a tossup between Nalen and Lepsis- earlier in the year I felt you could have thrown Hamilton in there as well...


Tthe Bears got 5 defensive players in the Pro Bowl. I agree with Alex Brown. Ogunleye is having a solid season, but I still didn't vote for him.

I'm glad to see Vasher get in for Da Bears - he's their main scoring threat along with Mike Brown!

[boltaneer]

Yet, Tom Nalen has been to the Pro Bowl 5 times. He was a first alternate in 2004 and 2005.

Ben Hamilton is a third alternate this season. Dan Neil was an alternate in 2004 and Matt Lepsis was an alternate in 2003. The linemen are getting the respect, they are just missing the honor because established guys are tough to knock off.

How many Chargers offensive linemen are Pro Bowl alternates? Exactly!

Remember, the fan vote only counts for 1/3 of the decision making process. If the players and coaches won't vote for you, you won't make it.

Offensive linemen are the hardest position for a fan to follow. It's not as cut and dry as following how many TDs Peyton Manning threw or how many TDs Tomlinson ran for or how many sacks Freeney piled up this year. That's why reputation is so important for linemen.

And I don't know what the Chargers offensive linemen have to do with this discussion. But anyway, with the excpetion of Fonoti (who could have been on his way to a possible Pro Bowl if he kept his head on straight) the Chargers haven't drafted an offensive linemen in the first two rounds in forever and it shows. The offensive line position is one of the big weak spots on their team, especially with two backups now playing. They've been focusing heavily on other positions in the past few years.

Just for fun, if you take a look at the Pro-Bowl rosters this year all NFC OTs were first round picks and the guards and centers were second round picks and one third round pick. All but two of the AFC linemen were first round picks. It's not easy to be a big star at offensive line, like a running back or wide reciver can do. They're the ones making the big TD catches or runs and whom the camera follows while the linemen are practically invisible. Big name, high draft picks are going to have an advantage here. At least many fans have heard of thier name on a more regular basis.

[Odysseus]

Chiefs fan here. This has not been a pro bowl year for Shields and honestly he shouldn't have gotten in. I can't say if his spot should have gone to a Bronco O-Lineman or not (I don't follow o-linemen enough to say), but he did not have a pro bowl year.

One of the talking heads joked that Shields gets into the pro bowl like a "birth right." I have no idea how to judge an OL or DL player. This whole thing is a beauty contest anyway.

[Mediator12]

Remember, the fan vote only counts for 1/3 of the decision making process. If the players and coaches won't vote for you, you won't make it.

Offensive linemen are the hardest position for a fan to follow. It's not as cut and dry as following how many TDs Peyton Manning threw or how many TDs Tomlinson ran for or how many sacks Freeney piled up this year. That's why reputation is so important for linemen.

And I don't know what the Chargers offensive linemen have to do with this discussion. But anyway, with the excpetion of Fonoti (who could have been on his way to a possible Pro Bowl if he kept his head on straight) the Chargers haven't drafted an offensive linemen in the first two rounds in forever and it shows. The offensive line position is one of the big weak spots on their team, especially with two backups now playing. They've been focusing heavily on other positions in the past few years.

Just for fun, if you take a look at the Pro-Bowl rosters this year all NFC OTs were first round picks and the guards and centers were second round picks and one third round pick. All but two of the AFC linemen were first round picks. It's not easy to be a big star at offensive line, like a running back or wide reciver can do. They're the ones making the big TD catches or runs and whom the camera follows while the linemen are practically invisible. Big name, high draft picks are going to have an advantage here. At least many fans have heard of thier name on a more regular basis.

Denver has two fourth rounders starting on the OL, an undrafted player, A seventh rounder, and one first rounder. Denver also does not draft Olinemen before day two usually if at all.

[boltaneer]

Denver has two fourth rounders starting on the OL, an undrafted player, A seventh rounder, and one first rounder. Denver also does not draft Olinemen before day two usually if at all.

And that could be part of the reason why none of them are going to the Pro-Bowl.

Not that that's the way it should be because I think Denver has a pretty good line. Like the Patiots offense and wide recievers they have a solid unit that works well together in the system they're in but doesn't have that superstar stand out guy.