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DomCasual
12-21-2005, 01:15 PM
Seven Colts, six Chargers, and five Chiefs.

AFC Team: http://www.nfl.com/probowl/afc_roster
NFC Team: http://www.nfl.com/probowl/nfc_roster

Seven Colts lead AFC Pro Bowl selections

There will be only one brother act in the Pro Bowl this season: the Barbers.

The Mannings? Only Peyton made it, hardly a surprise because brother Eli has had a very up-and-down second season with the New York Giants.

So Eli, one of the leaders in the fan vote, ended up as a third alternate in the NFC when the players and coaches added their say.

Peyton Manning was one of an NFL-high seven Indianapolis Colts who made the group of 42 players from each conference announced Wednesday; the seven Pro Bowlers befit the Colts' 13-1 record. San Diego, which handed Indianapolis its first loss last Sunday, had six, including linebacker Shawne Merriman, one of two rookies to make it.

Houston kick returner Jerome Mathis was the other first-year man.

Chicago and Atlanta led the NFC with six selections each, while the Giants and Seattle had five apiece in the selections for the Feb. 12 game in Honolulu. The Bears' contingent was the largest they have sent to Hawaii in 15 years, and New York defensive ends Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyiora were the first pair from the same team at that position since Miami's Jason Taylor and Trace Armstrong in 2001.

Another noteworthy selection: Minnesota's Koren Robinson, chosen as the NFC's kick returner. Robinson, the ninth overall pick in the 2001 draft by Seattle, has had a series of off-field problems that included a guilty plea to drunk driving and a suspension last season. He was cut by the Seahawks before the season.

"It's a funny feeling right now," Robinson said. "Looking back on everything I've been through, being in an alcohol treatment facility, I thought I burned all my bridges as far as all the organizations in the NFL were concerned."

The selections generally reflect the standings.

Last year, for example, Philadelphia was 13-1 at the time of the voting by fans, players and coaches, and had nine representatives, the most from a single team since 1998. This year, the Eagles are 6-8 and had one player selected, middle linebacker Jeremiah Trotter.

Four teams had no players chosen -- Cleveland and Tennessee in the AFC, San Francisco and Green Bay in the NFC. Of those four, the Browns have the best record: 5-9.

This will be the second straight year in Hawaii for the Barber twins, Tiki, the Giants' running back and Ronde, the Tampa Bay cornerback.

"It was special. It was nerve-racking, too many people. It was fun," Ronde said of last season's trip. "It will be another fun trip, I'm sure."

The starting lineups will be announced Jan. 7.

Players around the league consider selection a singular honor, especially because most have bonuses in their contracts if they are picked. Playing is another matter -- many drop out with injuries or for other reasons, and alternates take their places.

Cincinnati offensive tackle Willie Anderson put it in perspective.

"The Pro Bowl is a weeklong trip you enjoy. But by six months later folks forgot who played. But the Super Bowl, to win the Super Bowl, that's more of a lifetime experience," said Anderson, who will be making his third Pro Bowl trip in a 10-year career, but is going to the playoffs for the first time.

"To be honest with you, if I never make it again I won't be sad, but I think this season was important for us to make the playoffs and possibly go to the Super Bowl."

Peyton Manning, the NFL's MVP the last two seasons, led a distinguished trio of AFC quarterbacks, joining two-time Super Bowl MVP Tom Brady of New England and Cincinnati's Carson Palmer.

The NFC QBs are Jake Delhomme of Carolina, Matt Hasselbeck of Seattle and Michael Vick of Atlanta.

Kansas City, as usual, has three offensive linemen on the AFC team. Those tend to be hereditary positions to which players are often selected automatically, and Chiefs guard Will Shields and tackle Willie Roaf will be making their 11th Pro Bowl appearances.

Bronco Rob
12-21-2005, 01:19 PM
Thx Dom.

RhymesayersDU
12-21-2005, 01:43 PM
AFC PRO BOWL ROSTER
OFFENSE
Rod Smith, DEN

DEFENSE
Al Wilson, DEN
Champ Bailey, DEN
John Lynch, DEN

The odd thing is, didn't Saurbrun get a boatload of votes? How did he not make the team?

Al Wilson
12-21-2005, 01:44 PM
That's why the AFC West is the best division in football.

RhymesayersDU
12-21-2005, 01:45 PM
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/balloting_final

They said here Sauerbrun led the AFC Punters in voting. Now, I don't really care that much one way or another, I won't even watch the game most likely... But how is he not on the AFC squad?

FantomForce
12-21-2005, 01:49 PM
That's why the AFC West is the best division in football.
True DAT:militia:

Clockwork Orange
12-21-2005, 01:54 PM
That's why the AFC West is the best division in football.

It'd be cool to put together All-Star teams from each division and then put them in a tournament. I know, it's the stuff that video games are made of, but it's interesting to think about.

SpringStein
12-21-2005, 02:01 PM
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/balloting_final

They said here Sauerbrun led the AFC Punters in voting. Now, I don't really care that much one way or another, I won't even watch the game most likely... But how is he not on the AFC squad?

That is from the fan's votes, which counts 1/3 of the total. Players and coaches votes count for 2/3rds - 1/3 each.

DomCasual
12-21-2005, 02:09 PM
So, who got screwed?

I'd say Tom Nalen, for sure.

Matt Lepsis could make an argument, although those are some pretty big names ahead of him.

Trevor Pryce didn't have the sack numbers, but he had a solid season.

Kyle Johnson could have gotten in, but it's hard to argue about Lorenzo Neal.

I thought Ian Gold might have snuck in.

Sauerbrun had a good year, but you can't argue with Moormon getting in. Plus, Sauerbrun wasn't going to get the players' votes. I think a lot of them remember him having a loud mouth in his younger days. Punters are not supposed to say stuff.

And our Special Teams are much better with Keith Burns.

Am I missing anyone?

dbroncos31
12-21-2005, 02:22 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5087
But a slew of other Broncos were selected as alternates. Center Tom Nalen earned first alternate status, while defensive end Trevor Pryce, linebacker Ian Gold and quarterback Jake Plummer were second alternates. Guard Ben Hamilton and fullback Kyle Johnson were tabbed as third alternates.

epicSocialism4tw
12-21-2005, 02:27 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5087
But a slew of other Broncos were selected as alternates. Center Tom Nalen earned first alternate status, while defensive end Trevor Pryce, linebacker Ian Gold and quarterback Jake Plummer were second alternates. Guard Ben Hamilton and fullback Kyle Johnson were tabbed as third alternates.


That's awful. Denver has more alternates than pro bowlers. What a slap in the face. Denver (the second best team in the AFC) has 4 choices to SD's 6? Ugh. Wake me up when the NFL isnt a joke.

SoDak Bronco
12-21-2005, 03:22 PM
That's awful. Denver has more alternates than pro bowlers. What a slap in the face. Denver (the second best team in the AFC) has 4 choices to SD's 6? Ugh. Wake me up when the NFL isnt a joke.

Everyone knows the Pro bowl nominee's are a joke for the most part. San Diego having 6 is typical, but I know personally I'd rather be in our shoes, hopefully this will make our guys play harder, and motivate them to prove we deserved more respect from the fans, aFc, and everyone else in the league.

Bronco LB 59
12-21-2005, 03:28 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5087
But a slew of other Broncos were selected as alternates. Center Tom Nalen earned first alternate status, while defensive end Trevor Pryce, linebacker Ian Gold and quarterback Jake Plummer were second alternates. Guard Ben Hamilton and fullback Kyle Johnson were tabbed as third alternates.

I am very disapointed Lepsis and Warren got no recognition even as alternates!

Arkie
12-21-2005, 03:32 PM
That's awful. Denver has more alternates than pro bowlers. What a slap in the face. Denver (the second best team in the AFC) has 4 choices to SD's 6? Ugh. Wake me up when the NFL isnt a joke.

Even Jacksonville has a better record, and they only have 1 pro bowler. They should have given Jamal William's spot to Henderson.

Garcia Bronco
12-21-2005, 03:51 PM
I get tired of this bull****....


I'm talking about the FB position...Lorenzo Neal? **** off.

Tony Richardson has been the best FB in the League for a long time...and Kyle Johnson is the man.

RodforHOF
12-21-2005, 03:59 PM
I wish the players got to chose you makes the team

Bronco LB 59
12-21-2005, 04:25 PM
Even Jacksonville has a better record, and they only have 1 pro bowler. They should have given Jamal William's spot to Henderson.


No way! Jamal Williams has been the best run stuffer in the league for years.

John Henderson deserved to go and he was more deserving than his teammate Marcus Stroud or Richard Seymour, who missed his share of time this year.

royr17
12-21-2005, 04:30 PM
AFC PRO BOWL ROSTER
OFFENSE
Rod Smith, DEN

DEFENSE
Al Wilson, DEN
Champ Bailey, DEN
John Lynch, DEN

The odd thing is, didn't Saurbrun get a boatload of votes? How did he not make the team?

Al Wilson shouldnt had made it, he only has 67 tackles, and Jonathan Vilma has 145 and London Fletcher 140.

boltaneer
12-21-2005, 04:31 PM
Holmes and Johnson get a lot of their yards on single back plays as well as when Richardson is in there because of their offensive line.. LT depends on Lorenzo Neal because San Diego's offensive line is pretty weak this year with the injuries and all.

Many feel he could have gone last year and got snubbed. If either one of them made it this year, IMO,it would have been acceptable. They're the best two in the AFC right now but I think Lorenzo deserved the nod this year.

The only San Diego pick I didn't understand was Hanik Milligan on special teams. San Diego's special teams coverage has sucked for the most part until the last few weeks. But whatever, who really cares about the Special Teams position?

Garcia Bronco
12-21-2005, 04:43 PM
Jamal Williams is hard to argue...that guy is a beast

Kaylore
12-21-2005, 04:53 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5087
But a slew of other Broncos were selected as alternates. Center Tom Nalen earned first alternate status, while defensive end Trevor Pryce, linebacker Ian Gold and quarterback Jake Plummer were second alternates. Guard Ben Hamilton and fullback Kyle Johnson were tabbed as third alternates. I think Nalen and Ben Hamilton got jobbed, but everyone else, while they played pro-bowl calibur seasons, were up against stiff competion. It's hard to make it into the pro-bowl as QB with the Two top QB's in your conference in Brady and Manning. They're almost default.

Ty Law getting in is a total joke. New York and reputation bias. Rashean Mathis, and a few others really got robbed.

I'm totally stoked to see Al Wilson go back. That he made it gave me a little more faith in the system. I "knew" that Vilma was going to get in instead of Al and to see it not that way really shocked (and pleased) me.

Still pissed about Rod. He should get in every year just on attitude.

I'm still a little upset that we have a top 5 offense, but once again seem to have none of our offensive players make it. Maybe they can just send faceless maniquin and label it "the system" and have "the system" dangle over the AFC offense when it's on the field. :gus:

**EDIT** HOLY ****!!! ROD MADE IT! Never mind! :)

No1BroncoFan
12-21-2005, 05:09 PM
It'd be cool to put together All-Star teams from each division and then put them in a tournament. I know, it's the stuff that video games are made of, but it's interesting to think about.
Sell it to the NFL, and more importantly, the networks, and they'll do it if they think there's enough $$ in it. Set it up in a playoff format. AFCW All-Stars v. AFCN All-Stars, etc...

Three weeks of meaningless football after the season would be much better than only one! ;D

Ben

azbroncfan
12-21-2005, 05:19 PM
Al Wilson shouldnt had made it, he only has 67 tackles, and Jonathan Vilma has 145 and London Fletcher 140.
Not that I disagree with you but NYJ and Buf would be just as bad without them.

Kaylore
12-21-2005, 06:12 PM
Al Wilson shouldnt had made it, he only has 67 tackles, and Jonathan Vilma has 145 and London Fletcher 140. rofl2.gif" border="0" alt="" title="ROFL2" smilieid="110" class="inlineimg" /> This turd is what is wrong with a fan vote for the pro-bowl.

New York has the fifth worst rush defense in the league. He has lots of tackles but many are after five or six yard gains. So tell me this: If Al wilson has seven tackles in a game that doesn't allow any points because they force a lot of three-and-outs and Vilma has 25 tackles in a game where they allow 170 yards rushing, who is the better defender?

That's ok, though. Just keep vote-clicking the higher "stat" number. Higher number = better player right?::)

FADERPROOF
12-21-2005, 06:21 PM
Man, for having over 200 more receiving yards than any Bronco and pulling away, I can't believe Eddie Kennison did not make it over Rod Smith.

Mediator12
12-21-2005, 06:22 PM
Al Wilson shouldnt had made it, he only has 67 tackles, and Jonathan Vilma has 145 and London Fletcher 140.

Total number of Tackles are for guys whose teams suck at stopping the run and who spend all their time playing defense because their offense sucks. Fletcher and Vilma fit that to a "T". Zach Thomas definitely fits that mold too.

You will never see a Denver LB lead the league in tackles beacuse no one runs on them. With 43% of passes being incomplete for 220 plays without a tackle needing to be made and 125 less runs to stop they have around 210 less plays to make a stop than BUF or NYJ at this point in the season.

That being Said, Fletcher has had an outstanding season and is certainly deserving as well. Vilma, well, I only saw him play one game and he repeatedly got his ass ran over in Denver. So, I have no idea how well he played overall.

MLB's are no longer just run stuffer's either. Al Wilson cover's WR pretty well and Blitzes adequately enough for a MLB. NO RB has had success catching the ball out of the backfield this year either. Coverage, run stuffing ability, big hits, and consistency got him the nod not a weak stat like tackles.

footstepsfrom#27
12-21-2005, 06:34 PM
The Pro Bowl...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Garcia Bronco
12-21-2005, 06:47 PM
Total number of Tackles are for guys whose teams suck at stopping the run and who spend all their time playing defense because their offense sucks. Fletcher and Vilma fit that to a "T". Zach Thomas definitely fits that mold too.

You will never see a Denver LB lead the league in tackles beacuse no one runs on them. With 43% of passes being incomplete for 220 plays without a tackle needing to be made and 125 less runs to stop they have around 210 less plays to make a stop than BUF or NYJ at this point in the season.

That being Said, Fletcher has had an outstanding season and is certainly deserving as well. Vilma, well, I only saw him play one game and he repeatedly got his ass ran over in Denver. So, I have no idea how well he played overall.

MLB's are no longer just run stuffer's either. Al Wilson cover's WR pretty well and Blitzes adequately enough for a MLB. NO RB has had success catching the ball out of the backfield this year either. Coverage, run stuffing ability, big hits, and consistency got him the nod not a weak stat like tackles.


Damn...he broke it down like it was science. Nice

Mediator12
12-21-2005, 06:52 PM
Damn...he broke it down like it was science. Nice

Thank you GB ;D I have finally awoken from my Finals coma I think :pray:

watermock
12-21-2005, 07:07 PM
Who cares...we fight as a team win as a team and lose as a team...next thing, Deltha will be comeback player of the year....HOF means nothing...the only HOF I care about is the one ringing new Mile High.

-Slap-
12-21-2005, 07:38 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5087
But a slew of other Broncos were selected as alternates. Center Tom Nalen earned first alternate status, while defensive end Trevor Pryce, linebacker Ian Gold and quarterback Jake Plummer were second alternates. Guard Ben Hamilton and fullback Kyle Johnson were tabbed as third alternates.
Who was first alternate at AFC QB, Brees?