Nuggets interested in Artest

[Clockwork Orange]

According to Marc Stein on ESPN tonight, the Nuggets & Lakers are the teams that have shown the most interest in that kook Ron Artest.

Artest is a brilliant basketball player, but he's a headcase to the Nth degree. Should they be interested? Or should they pass?

[Nuggets4]

One ESPN scenario had us giving up Nene and Lenard.

Artest is insane, but how do you NOT do that deal?

[Clockwork Orange]

One ESPN scenario had us giving up Nene and Lenard.

Artest is insane, but how do you NOT do that deal?

If that's the deal, you have to take it. If they can get Artest without giving up Carmelo, Dre or Camby, there's no way they can pass it up.

[Rascal]

If the deal is Lenard and nene they would be idiots not to take it.

Who knows maybe King Karl can rearrange his marbles.

[bronco_diesel]

If the deal is Lenard and nene they would be idiots not to take it.

Who knows maybe King Karl can rearrange his marbles.

maybe they can throw in boykins just to be nice.

[Nuggets4]

If that's the deal, you have to take it. If they can get Artest without giving up Carmelo, Dre or Camby, there's no way they can pass it up.

I've been thinking about it, and we might want to consider Dre for Artest + cap filler. I'd love for the cap filler to be Danny Granger, but that would never happen. I love Dre and think he's one of the most underrated players in the league, but we'd have a solid line-up.

PG - Watson, Boykins
SG - Artest, Buckner, Fatass
SF - Melo, DerMarr, Kleiza
PF - K-Mart, Najera
C - Camby, Nene*, Elson

Artest is insane, bue he's a lockdown defender. As much as I'm scared of him, I'm intrigued about bringing him in.

[bronco_diesel]

while artest is a headcase, i do think he is worth taking a shot at.

the nuggs have not had good luck in drawing in a player who can shoot.

they tried to get ginobli, and he stayed with the spurs...we got martin.
there were talks of Redd, but that quickly evaporated.
they were going to trade for paul pierce...no dice
they wanted finley, but the nuggs were not even a glimmer in his eye.

artest fits karl's type. he is a strong defensive presence, can run the floor and will score you some points. he's got a good outside shot. he could man up most 2 gaurds.

he may be a gamble, but considering their luck in filling a need...they should take a shot at him.

[Rascal]

Does Karl trust Watson though? he sure hasn't been getting the PT I would like for him to get. i like diesel's idea...throw in boykins with Nene and Lenard and get'r done.

[bronco_diesel]

Does Karl trust Watson though?

that puzzles me. i don't know how you could not trust watson over boykins.

watson is much much better defensively, is a team player and runs the floor, and moves the ball around.

boykins is terrible on d, he is a ball hog, cannot pass to the post, and will kill the offensive flow because of his constant dribbling.

boykins does have a clutch shot....but really, a lot of times that shot wouldn't be needed if he were limited in playing time.

i have counted 2 or 3 games where the nuggs have had great momentum, a lead and looking good. boykins enters the game and the momentum is killed and the lead is lost...

i don't get karls insistence on playing boykins over watson.

[Breck Bronc]

I'll start watching the Nuggets and go to a few games at the Can if they get Artest.

[Master___Pain]

I am all for bringing artest in. I wish we could trade K-Mart some how too.

And why did the nuggs not do the Dolieac for Vo deal? Was it a $$$ issue?

[bronco_diesel]

I am all for bringing artest in. I wish we could trade K-Mart some how too.

And why did the nuggs not do the Dolieac for Vo deal? Was it a $$$ issue?

i'm not sure doleac helps us any. i do like him..but he would not fit into the pace of game we play...my bet, he would be about as useful as vo.

i've also got to think they are holding onto vo for dec15 to package with a better trade. if they can use him to get artest that would be awesome.

[Master___Pain]

i'm not sure doleac helps us any. i do like him..but he would not fit into the pace of game we play...my bet, he would be about as useful as vo.

i've also got to think they are holding onto vo for dec15 to package with a better trade. if they can use him to get artest that would be awesome.

I hear ya, it just seems that adding a decent Big over would be an improvement over Vo. I hope Kiki has a phone glued to his ear right now. This roster needs a little shake up.

[Rascal]

Well Artest was put on the inactive list to accomodate trades so it's just a matter of where he goes apparently.

Artest will be put on the inactive list for the rest of the week as the Pacers say they will accommodate his request to be traded, the Indianpolis Star reports. "This is kind of the last straw of a lot of issues," Pacers chief executive Donnie Walsh told the Associated Press, "and it's at the point where we should look for a trade

[bronco_diesel]

I hear ya, it just seems that adding a decent Big over would be an improvement over Vo. I hope Kiki has a phone glued to his ear right now. This roster needs a little shake up.

yeah i do think we need another big. i think though our main priority should be to get someone who can shoot. our roster does need a shakeup - we lack a little chemistry - it can come back, as proven last year...but also as proven last year, a shake-up was needed.

[Nuggets4]

I am all for bringing artest in. I wish we could trade K-Mart some how too.

And why did the nuggs not do the Dolieac for Vo deal? Was it a $$$ issue?

Agreed 100% on K-Mart. He can't shoot, he doesn't pass, he's weak on D and he's not rebounding. Other than that though, he's playing top-notch ball.

As for Doleac, I think that's still a pretty good option.

[FADERPROOF]

As soon as Artest asked for a trade, I had hopes of the Cavs making a deal for him.

Doesn't look likely though, he doesn't fit the "we're a bunch of pansy ass finesse players that can't play defense" mold that the Cavs like to employ on the court.

BTW, congrats on the win tomorrow, I'm already saying it in advance.

[RhymesayersDU]

Fader, what is going on in Cav-land? LeBron scores 50 the other night and they lose? How does that even happen?

Anyways, topic at hand. I'm weary of Artest, but if the deal is Nene + Voshon for Artest, then you do it, period. I don't care if you have to put him in a straight jacket when he's on the bench. You do that trade. And if it were possible to get Granger here, I'd cream my pants.

And after the way Watson played last night, he needs to get more PT.

[Nuggets4]

I still like the Sports Guy's idea of wheeling Artest out in pre-game a la Hannible Lector. This needs to happen.

[Jori]

I'm all for the Nuggets going after Artest...he is the type of player the Nuggets need (despite his baggage). He's what 26, 27...salary isn't too outrageous (i.e. K-Mart).

[FADERPROOF]

Fader, what is going on in Cav-land? LeBron scores 50 the other night and they lose? How does that even happen?



Same old Cavs basically, we struggle in the half-court game and can't play defense.

The secret is out about how ti beat the Cavs, and it only took 9 games to figure it out...control tempo and be patient on offense. Control tempo because unless the Cavs are running the court, they cant get a good damn offensive set out there in which it usually ends with wither LeBron, Marshall, or Jones taking a contested shot from 18 fett or further. Be patient on offense is simple, because the Cavs are the only team in the league that cannot play defense for a full 24 seconds.

Just watch the Nuggets' offense tonight, what they'll likely do is try for the quick basket, and if it's not there they'll kick it back out and just move the ball around for 15 seconds, then with 4 seconds on the shot clock someone will get the pass inbounds for the easy 2 or someone will drive the lane for the easy lay-up, because the Cavs are honestly not capable of guarding the opposition for 24 seconds. They can do it for 20, sometimes, 22, or even 23 seconds, but never a full 24.

For example, last game against the Hawks, Cavs are down 67-62 in the 3rd and are making a comeback, Hawks have the ball. 22 sconds go by and the Cavs D looks stout out there, then Josh Childress gets the ball and drives the lane blowing by all defenders as he makes the easy bucket with a foul, goes to the line and makes his FT and we have a 3 point play as it;s now 70-62 with all the momentum shifting to the Hawks side. Had the Cavs held on for 2 more seconds it would've been their ball down 5 with a chance to cut the Hawks lead down to a 1 possession game, instead they get the ball back down 8 with no intensity whatsoever after blowing that opportunity.

I could go and on about this team, but I'll save it.

[TD4HOF]

Hey, I didn't know you Nugs fans were congregating here right under my nose. Damn. I've been a diehard since the days of English then Adams. Wore #14 as a YMCAer in Michael's honor in spite of horrendous long range skills. Never stopped rooting all through the black hole years although the hometown Knicks were an alternate.

Artest at that price would be an incredible steal. Wonder how many years are left on his contract? That's a key matter. If it's 2 or less, go for it. He'll be fine in new surroundings for awhile, maybe even completely rejuvenated.

Anything more is lighting a fuse of Saturday morning cartoon caliber. It may be miles long, but it's coming, baby.

[TD4HOF]

Forgot to mention that I'm also a true blood Syracuse fan, the point being that Melo is, like, y'know...Larry and Magic rolled into one to me. He's taken a clear step so far this season, it's all about staying inside and getting to the line with him.

[RhymesayersDU]

Hey, I didn't know you Nugs fans were congregating here right under my nose. Damn. I've been a diehard since the days of English then Adams. Wore #14 as a YMCAer in Michael's honor in spite of horrendous long range skills. Never stopped rooting all through the black hole years although the hometown Knicks were an alternate.

Artest at that price would be an incredible steal. Wonder how many years are left on his contract? That's a key matter. If it's 2 or less, go for it. He'll be fine in new surroundings for awhile, maybe even completely rejuvenated.

Anything more is lighting a fuse of Saturday morning cartoon caliber. It may be miles long, but it's coming, baby.
Woooo, another member of the OMane Nuggets Faction!

Keep checking this forum dude, it kinda sucks because sometimes people forget about this forum when there's a lot of football news going on... We'll bring all the Nuggets flavor to the main board as soon as "offseason mode" hits.

[bronco_diesel]

Woooo, another member of the OMane Nuggets Faction!

Keep checking this forum dude, it kinda sucks because sometimes people forget about this forum when there's a lot of football news going on... We'll bring all the Nuggets flavor to the main board as soon as "offseason mode" hits.

man, as long as there are good nuggs posters here, i will be looking. i'm struggling for a good nuggs forum. realgm is better than espn...

btw RhymesayersDU - i am reverendJim at realgm.

[TD4HOF]

Woooo, another member of the OMane Nuggets Faction!

Keep checking this forum dude, it kinda sucks because sometimes people forget about this forum when there's a lot of football news going on... We'll bring all the Nuggets flavor to the main board as soon as "offseason mode" hits.

Well, it iS a Broncos forum, haha. But definitely be good to talk Nugs when the mood strikes.

Kenyon is so overrated and overpaid, it's not even funny.

Saw the Artest for VC rumor this morning. If true, then the Nene and Vo rumor must be a joke. Why would they want an injured played anyway.

[Nuggets4]

I have zero facts to back it up, but I honestly think that in the next week, we're going to see Dre sent to Indiana for Artest and cap filler.

[Rascal]

I have zero facts to back it up, but I honestly think that in the next week, we're going to see Dre sent to Indiana for Artest and cap filler.

I would be pissed.

Boykins sucks and can't be relied on and King Karl doesn't have faith in Watson.

[Master___Pain]

I have zero facts to back it up, but I honestly think that in the next week, we're going to see Dre sent to Indiana for Artest and cap filler.

I'd like another cap filler like Najera.

[RhymesayersDU]

man, as long as there are good nuggs posters here, i will be looking. i'm struggling for a good nuggs forum. realgm is better than espn...

btw RhymesayersDU - i am reverendJim at realgm.
Ohhhh that's you. Nice. Yeah, realgm is alright, nothing special. I wish there was a Nuggets board like this... There is a forum I know of, nuggets.proboards or something, but I hate it, personally.

I find the 'mane to have the best nuggets talk, even though there may not be a ton of nugs fans.

[Clockwork Orange]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2262997

Pacers say they've been contacted by 20 teams and have received 12-15 offers for Artest.

[Nuggets4]

OK, I just posted this long rant on NuggPuppy and figured I'd share it here. Thoughts? Am I just rambling? Anyone? Bueller?

Trading Dre is risky. He gets a lot of criticism on this board and from analysts that I think is unneccessary just because he's not flashy. He doesn't necessarily run, I will agree on that, but he also isn't afraid to make the full length court pass. Plus, there's not a better alley-oop passer in the league, something that's very valuable with Kenyon and Melo. He's an underrated defender and is a realistic triple-double threat every game. If we had a SG like a Bruce Bowen, Dre would be a perfect fit for this team. He has ZERO outside shot (that was the ugliest three pointer I've ever seen last night) but when the team is bogged down into the half court offense I think he does an effective job running it. Considering I've seen Earl Boykins pull a Moochie Norris (get a shot clock violation without doing anything but dribbling for 24 straight seconds), it's comforting to have Dre on the team.

Last night he had 22 and 13. One of my co-workers is a die-hard Pistons fan and the two players on the Nugs he's constantly talking about how much he admires is Dre and Camby because they both go out there, just do their job and at the end of the game you find yourself saying "How did he get XX points and XX assists/boards?" IMO, the most valuable part of Dre's game is the fact that he doesn't need to get a lot of shots to get his points. He'll have his clunker nights (like the Cavs game [4-11], and Nets game in Denver [0-10]), but he'll also have some great games (Hornets where he had 33 points on 12-18 shooting and Hawks game where he had 21 points on 6-8 shooting).

Game Log For Dre (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?statsId=3331)

The thing that confuses me about all of this is the fact that Kiki supposedly won't give up Nene, whom the Pacers want. First of all, I didn't think you could trade injured players. Secondly though, why not? We have Boykins and Watson (Dear God let us trade Boykins) that we could deal for a decent big man to help out. Nene has the potential to be the next Karl Malone, but to follow that logic, Raef LaFrentz has the potential to be Kevin McHale. The odds of those happening aren't good. I honestly don't think Nene will ever live up to his potential here in Denver either as he would rather do the Brazilian circle jerk because we hurt his feelings by signing Kenyon.

Just using the rumors that are out there right now, why doesn't Kiki send Nene & Vo (and a pick if need be) for Artest and then deal an Earl for Doleac?

# Miller, Earl
# Artest, Buck, Hodge
# Melo, DerMarr, Russell
# K-Mart, Najera, Kleiza
# Camby, Doleac, Elson

We still don't have that much of an outside game, but suddenly we have one of the best, if not the best, defensive backcourts in the league (especially if the Earl we deal is Boykins). We have a front court that we can throw multiple variations of out there. We have a proven scorer in Melo. We're not necessarily a championship contender this year, but does anyone think that the current line-up is? We take this off-season and grab someone like JJ Reddick (just to piss Coaster off) in the first round who can just shoot.

EDITED to add link to Dre's game log.

[Nuggets4]

One scenario from within the league involves Denver sending Earl Watson and Nene to Atlanta, the Hawks sending Al Harrington to the Pacers and Indiana shipping Artest to the Nuggets. Another scenario substitutes the Los Angeles Clippers' Corey Maggette for Watson and Nene. Lower-salaried Pacers like guard Anthony Johnson or former Colorado center David Harrison could also be involved to fit league salary-cap restrictions.

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_3320271

Great deal for the Hawks.

[GSRelyea]

Harrington Would Welcome Trade To Denver
Dec 19 - Al Harrington told the Rock Mountain News Sunday he would welcome a trade to Denver. If that doesn't happen, he said he will consider the Nuggets when he becomes a free agent after the season. "Definitely, if they got some money out there for me ... Denver is a place I would love to play. I think they've got a lot of pieces."
He also said he preferred to stay in Atlanta for the rest of the season, according to the Denver Post.

The latest rumor, reported by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution over the weekend had the Hawks and Nuggets talking about a possible deal that would send Al Harrington to Denver for Earl Watson and Nene. Another rumor had Harrington going to Indiana, the Pacers shipping Ron Artest to Denver and Watson and Nene landing in Atlanta.

The Bulls are going to get the Knicks 2006 first-round pick next year from the Eddy Curry trade. The Arlington Heights Daily Herald suggests the Bulls need to make out their draft list, check it once or twice, then decide if it's worth spending the Knicks' pick to land a player they'll covet as a free agent next summer: Atlanta forward Al Harrington.

[Rascal]

ugh...keep watson get rid of that worthless turd boykins.

[RhymesayersDU]

I'd love to keep Watson, but if the deal was Nene + Watson for Harrington or Artest, I do either of those trades in a heartbeat.

[Rascal]

Why Harrington? We need a #2 not another big man.

[Clockwork Orange]

According to the local papers, the Nuggets have also inquired about the availability of Peja Stojakovic. Just another rumor, but something else to think about.

[Rascal]

Maybe get Stojakovic or Harrington and then deal Martin for a #2?

Yeah do that...send Martin, Vo, and Nene and maybe we could get Harrington and Artest back via some three way team deal. I like that.

[RhymesayersDU]

Stojakovic, Artest Or Harrington Could Be Denver Bound
19th December, 2005 - 3:05 pm
Rocky Mountain News - Al Harrington has said that he would welcome a trade to Denver. If that doesn't happen, he said he will consider the Nuggets when he becomes a free agent after the season.

"Definitely, if they got some money out there for me," Harrington said before Atlanta's 110-107 overtime win Sunday against the Nuggets.

"Denver is a place I would love to play. I think they've got a lot of pieces. They might be missing one piece, somebody like myself or Ron Artest."

The Nuggets also are in the mix for Artest, the troubled Indiana Pacers forward who has asked to be traded. And there have been indications they are exploring the availability of Sacramento forward Peja Stojakovic, a free agent after the season.

NBA insiders indicated Saturday a possible three-way trade could have Artest going to Denver, Harrington returning to Indiana, where he played from 1998-99 to 2003-04 and the Nuggets sending forward Nene and guard Earl Watson to Atlanta.

There also have been indications of a possible deal in which Harrington would go to Denver for Nene and Watson.

[Dagmar]

WB2 at 9:56pm "one positive report is Denver is THE MOST MOTIVATED in getting Artest"....

[RhymesayersDU]

If we make a trade for anybody, that's who I'm buying my alternate jersey for.

I just hope we don't trade K-Mart, because I'm a huge K-Mart mark. It's my curse. Plus my sister just bought me a K-Mart jersey.

[RhymesayersDU]

WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Ron Artest
Pacers

Hawks?
Nuggets?
Warriors?
Clippers?
Lakers?
Heat?
Timberwolves?
Nets?
Kings?

Walsh Looking To See What's Doable
Dec 20 - It's apparent that Ron Artest's change of heart about playing for the Pacers won't affect Donnie Walsh's decision to trade him, reports the Indianapolis Star. The Pacers CEO said Monday that he's in the process of narrowing the list of suitors. "Right now I'm looking to see what's doable," Walsh said. Artest will remain on the inactive list until a deal can be made.

According to the New York Times, Mark Stevens, the agent for Ron Artest said yesterday that he hoped the Pacers would "find it in their hearts to forgive" Artest and keep him on the team. "It is the holiday season; it is a forgiving time of year."

In related news ...

# Indiana CEO Donnie Walsh said yesterday he has no interest in veteran players the Knicks would give up for Ron Artest, making a deal with New York extremely unlikely. "They're not in the hunt," Walsh told the New York Daily News.

# The Rocky Mountain News reports, Kiki Vandeweghe has been working the phones the past week searching for possible deals involving disgruntled Pacers forward Ron Artest and disgruntled Nuggets guard Voshon Lenard. So far, nothing has panned out. Vandeweghe told the newspaper that the Nuggets injuries make it more difficult to put together a trade. "They hinder you because you really don't know what you have," he said. "You can see where the holes are when everyone's healthy."

# Sources tell the New York Post that Hawks GM Billy Knight is in hurry to move Al Harrington, his rising free agent. And that the Sonics for all intents and purposes have bailed out of the bidding for Artest when they refused to include Nick Collison in any deal.
Monday, December 19

WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Al Harrington
Hawks

Nuggets?
Pacers?
Bulls?

Harrington Would Welcome Trade To Denver
Dec 19 - Al Harrington told the Rocky Mountain News Sunday he would welcome a trade to Denver. If that doesn't happen, he said he will consider the Nuggets when he becomes a free agent after the season. "Definitely, if they got some money out there for me ... Denver is a place I would love to play. I think they've got a lot of pieces."

He also said he preferred to stay in Atlanta for the rest of the season, according to the Denver Post.

The latest rumor, reported by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution over the weekend had the Hawks and Nuggets talking about a possible deal that would send Al Harrington to Denver for Earl Watson and Nene. Another rumor had Harrington going to Indiana, the Pacers shipping Ron Artest to Denver and Watson and Nene landing in Atlanta.

The Bulls are going to get the Knicks 2006 first-round pick next year from the Eddy Curry trade. The Arlington Heights Daily Herald suggests the Bulls need to make out their draft list, check it once or twice, then decide if it's worth spending the Knicks' pick to land a player they'll covet as a free agent next summer: Atlanta forward Al Harrington.

In related news ...

# The Chicago Tribune reports the most motivated buyer for Artest is said to be Denver. George Karl is the coach who took a chance on Anthony Mason in Milwaukee and Carmelo Anthony is lobbying for Artest.

[eddie mac]

What would be the financial repercussions from attempting to trade K-Mart? Not being into the NBA cap as much as the NFL one I've no idea whether they could move him or not. The reason I ask is that K-Mart is the best paid player in Denver but IMO he is nowhere near giving Denver value for money. Apart from the fact he is injury prone. How many games has he missed since he adorned the Nugget uniform? Even when he is fit his production nowhere near matches his salary.