Top Dems Call For Howard Deans Ouster.

[SteveTensi13]

After a series of embarrassing and controversial statements from DNC Chairman, Howard Dean, concerning the Republicans and the handling of the war, top Democrats are calling for Dean to step down as DNC Chairman. The moderate wing of the Democratic party, now reduced to a minor role player in the party, feel Deans statements undermined what had been perceived as momentum from the Murtha fiasco.

Some Dems have gone so far as to go public and tell Dean to "Shuttup!". I for one say NO! He is the elected head of the DNC and is therefore the appointed mouthpiece of the Democrats. Keep talking Dean, we Republicans haven't had a greater friend!!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Top Dems Call For Howard Deans Ouster

Link?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Keep talking Dean, we Republicans haven't had a greater friend!!

rofl

Yep - your approval numbers support that claim all the way.

Keep the thigh-slappers coming - you can't buy entertainment like this. :D

[SteveTensi13]

Link?

WATCH THE FU**ING NEWS YOU TOOL!!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

WATCH THE ****ING NEWS YOU TOOL!!

Back up your claims with a link or a source like everyone else, you dumb redneck.

[SteveTensi13]

Back up your claims with a link or a source like everyone else, you dumb redneck.

It is quite literally impossible for a Hispanic to be a "Redneck" Maybe dumb, but redneck? NEVER!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It is quite literally impossible for a Hispanic to be a "Redneck" Maybe dumb, but redneck? NEVER!

Not when "redneck" is a state of mind.

[SteveTensi13]

Not when "redneck" is a state of mind.

Speaking from experience?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Speaking from experience?

Experience with people like you.

[SteveTensi13]

Experience with people like you.

I know you are, but what am I? Nanny, nanny, boo, boo!!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I know you are, but what am I?

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/a/a8/Republican-koolaid.jpg

[SteveTensi13]

Cool, I love Kool-Aid!! Preferably Cherry Red!!

[ak1971]

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/a/a8/Republican-koolaid.jpg


you coming down to the game on New Years Eve?

[Champbaileystopsmoss]

LABF & Co looking out for the troops....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LABF & Co looking out for the troops....

Chumpbailey gets it bass-ackwards again.

It's the court-appointed fraud you're supporting who has sent >2,000 American troops (and counting) to their deaths in a war based on deliberate lies and manipulations of intelligence.

It's the junta you are supporting that sent those troops into battle with inadequate equipment and in insufficient numbers.

It's the illegitimate administration you're supporting who failed to secure the ammo dumps in Iraq and who allowed the munitions currently being used against our troops to fall into the hands of the insurgents.

It's the oil puppet you're supporting who tried to cut the troops' combat pay and who has slashed the V.A. budget and critical programs for the troops' families at every turn.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Cool, I love Kool-Aid!!

Obviously. :laugh:

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[Champbaileystopsmoss]

LABF All I hear is waaa waaa waaa. get a life :poke:.
It's the court-appointed fraud you're supporting who has sent >2,000 American troops (and counting) to their deaths in a war based on deliberate lies and manipulations of intelligence.
Those same 2,000 plus troops that died fighting terrorists? If we leave now like you want to you WILL give them victory. You've been brainwashed by the kooky left so really I cant blame you for buying into all the conspiracy theories and the michael moore crap.

It's the junta you are supporting that sent those troops into battle with inadequate equipment and in insufficient numbers.

Your right we are going to war with rocks and sticks.....::) Im supporting those troops to kill terrorists and to bring freedom to Iraq. Once that is done the majority of them are coming home.


It's the illegitimate administration you're supporting who failed to secure the ammo dumps in Iraq and who allowed the munitions currently being used against our troops to fall into the hands of the insurgents.

Its the first adminstration to take on terrorism head on, the ones before this adminstration ignored it.....im sure there were botched calls in this war but what war is perfect? There is going to be fvckups and every adminstration before this messed up on the terrorism. See you cant look at the past 4-5 years, you got to go all the way back to Nixon for Pinochet, Carter for a messed up hostage crisis, Reagan for Iran Contra and Bush Sr. for not finishing the job in Iraq and then the biggest screwups happened in the Clinton Adminstration.....

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured
1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military
personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and
punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and
injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those
responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and
injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S.
sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and
punished.


And I didnt even mention Somalia( by the way another brilliant democrat RETREATED there to leave it to be a TERRORIST haven GOOD CALL!::) , another interesting question on the clinton adminstration and it is a legitimate question. There are two
men, both extremely wealthy. One develops relatively cheap software and
gives billions of dollars to charity. The other sponsors terrorism. That
being the case, why was it that the Clinton Administration spent more money
chasing down Bill Gates over the eight years in office, than Osama bin
Laden?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LABF All I hear is waaa waaa waaa. get a life

All I hear from you are false claims by a semi-literate moron who belongs to that tiny minority of Americans who haven't realized they've been duped by Bush yet.

Those same 2,000 plus troops that died fighting terrorists?

No. The >2,000 troops whose trust was betrayed by the illegitimate asshat you're supporting when he lied America into a war with a country that was not a threat to us and hadn't attacked us. A country where there were no terrorists until the pinhead invaded.


If we leave now like you want to you WILL give them victory. You've been brainwashed by the kooky left so really I cant blame you for buying into all the conspiracy theories and the michael moore crap.

Bush has already given them a victory, i.e., has created another Islamic theocracy where there was once a secular regime with no ties to al Qaeda.

Were it not for your brainwashing by Rehab Rush and Faux News and your complete disregard for matters of fact, you'd undoubtedly realize this.

Its the first adminstration to take on terrorism head on, the ones before this adminstration ignored it.....

More unadulterated bullsh_t.

The worst terrorist attack in American history happened on 9/11 because the pinhead you support ignored numerous warnings from multiple intel sources that al Qaeda was planning suicide attacks inside the U.S. The pinhead you support sh*t-canned the previous administration's counterterrorism apparatus and replaced it with NOTHING - despite the aforementioned multiple warnings.


After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

And he kept that promise. The perps were hunted down, arrested, tried, convicted, and jailed.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military
personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and
punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and
injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those
responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and
injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down and punished.

All of the above were hunted down, arrested, tried, convicted, jailed (pr executed) by either the Clinton administration or by their own countries.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and
punished.

And when Clinton sent a huge FBI task force to Yemen, long-time Bush family crony Barbara Bodine (then ambassador to Yemen) thwarted the investigation at every turn. When Bush took office, his administration decided not to pursue the investigation.


And I didnt even mention Somalia

Another face-saving, nation-building mission launched by Pappy to shore up his "legacy" and to divert attention from his Iran-Contra troubles and those crooked pardons of Iran-Contra witnesses.


There are two
men, both extremely wealthy. One develops relatively cheap software and
gives billions of dollars to charity. The other sponsors terrorism. That
being the case, why was it that the Clinton Administration spent more money
chasing down Bill Gates over the eight years in office, than Osama bin
Laden?

You really are completely clueless, aren't you?

Even repugs like Paul Bremmer and Reagan's counterterrorism czar give Clinton high marks for his handling of Bin Laden. The latter even went so far as to criticize Clinton for his "obsession with Bin Laden."

On the other hand, the Smirking Pinhead sits on his ass and does nothing when he is warned repeatedly that Bin Laden is determined to strike inside the U.S.

After presiding over the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil ever, he pledges to capture Bin Laden "dead or alive." Less than a year later, he flip flops completely and declares "I don't know where he (Bin Laden) is - he's really not that important to me." Some five years later, even with the full force of the U.S. military and a full-on "war on terror" behind him, the monkey STILL hasn't caught Bin Laden.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Great piece in response to the Rethuglicans who drag out the same tired crap about how 9/11 is Clinton's fault, he ignored warnings, he did nothing about terrorism.

What he actually did is nicely outlined - which is a lot, compared to Chimp's "actions."

As for your ridiculous lies that Clinton didn't do anything about terrorism or the attack on our soil, that Clinton didn't do anything about Bin Laden or the Taliban - he did much more than Bush.

He actually hunted down those responsible for the '93 WTC bombing, he hauled their asses back to America, put them on trial, all were found guilty and all of them are rotting in prison for life. And he did it within 18 months of the bombing. It's been 4 years since 9-11.

I've posted this countless times and for those who actually read and understand it, I'm sorry to be so redundant but the lies of the right-wing extremist idiots just can't go unanswered:

-He sent anti terrorism and airport security measures to the house in 96, 97, 98, 99 and 2000...
--Everyone one was killed by the house Republicans without even bringing them up for debate....
--They were too busy being perverts, trying to look into the president's bedroom window....
--The sad thing about it, they contain some of the same recommendations that Dubya wanted to implement AFTER September 11th...
--Here, look for yourself, it's all public record..The United States General Accounting Office
--Everytime the last president tried to do something about the terrorist threat, the house republicans all screamed "wag the dog"..
--What Clinton did do was send death squads to try to find bin Laden.. They didn't, but on the other hand, Bush has our whole armed services concentrating on bin Laden, but let him get away...
--Besides, they did catch those responsible for the 1993 WTC attacks and they are rotting in prison...
--Clinton also stopped all trade and aid to the Taliban for letting bin Laden thrive in their nation..
--Bush reversed that policy and gave the Taliban $43million dollars in aid just three months before the attacks on New York City...Bush's Deal With the Taliban --May 22, 2001
--So, with prior warning, and 234 days to do something about the terrorist threat, this president spent the first 9 months of his term either on vacation or trying to get his personal agenda passed as paybacks for his own special interests and giving millions of dollars to our enemies....
--There's an old saying in business that says, "If you prevent problems before they happen, you get no credit but the problems is avoided"..

Under President Clinton:

-- Developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator of anti-terrorist efforts.
--Stopped cold the Al Qaeda millennium bombing plot.
--Stopped cold the planned attack to kill the Pope
--Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously
--Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters
--Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters
--Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington
--Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Boston airport
--Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY
--Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge
--Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania

-- Tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).

-- Brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.

-- Did not blame Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 33 days after they had left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.

--Named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.

My personal favorites:

-Clinton sent legislation to Congress to TIGHTEN AIRPORT SECURITY. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.

-Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF TERRORIST FUNDING. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.

-Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.

-Clinton increased the military budget by an average of 14 per cent, reversing the trend under Bush I.

-Clinton tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism
-Clinton detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries
-Clinton created national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.
-Of Clinton's efforts says Robert Oakley, Reagan Ambassador for Counterterrorism: "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama"
-Paul Bremer, current Civilian Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley as he believed the Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden.
-Barton Gellman in the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to underatake a systematic anti-terrorist effort"

Here, in stark contrast, is part of the Bush-Cheney anti-terrorism record before September 11, 2001:

-- Backed off Clinton administration's anti-terrorism efforts.
-- Shelved Hart-Rudman report.
-- Appointed new anti-terrorism task force under Dick Cheney. Group did not even meet before 9/11.
-- Called for cuts in anti-terrorism efforts by the Department of Defense
-- Gave no priority to anti-terrorism efforts by Justice Department.
-- Ignored warnings from Sandy Berger and Louis Freeh about the urgency of terrorist threats.
-- Halted Predator drone tracking of Osama bin Laden.
-- Did nothing in wake of August 6 C.I.A. report to president saying Al Qaeda attack by hijack of an airliner almost certain.
----Now we've got Bush knowing about the terrorists plans, and the fact that they were in flight schools in the US, and little georgie takes a four week vacation..
-- By failing to order any coordination of intelligence data, missed opportunity to stop the 9/11 plot as Clinton-Gore had stopped the millennium plot.
--Blamed Clinton for 9/11.


While the Bush family was doing dirty business with the Bin Laden family Clinton was writing this:
Clinton's Letter to Congress on Freezing of bin Ladin Assets

Text of letter from President Clinton to the leaders of Congress explaining why he ordered the freezing of all assets controlled by or affiliated with terrorist chieftain Usama bin Ladin.


THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts)

Dear Mr. Speaker:

On January 23, 1995, in light of the threat posed by grave acts of violence committed by foreign terrorists that disrupt the Middle East peace process, using my authority under, inter alia, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.), I declared a national emergency and issued Executive Order 12947. Because such terrorist activities continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States, I have renewed the national emergency declared in Executive Order 12947 annually, most recently on January 21, 1998. Pursuant to section 204(b) of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1703(b)) and section 201 of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1631), I hereby report to the Congress that I have exercised my statutory authority to issue an Executive Order that amends Executive Order 12947 in order more effectively to respond to the worldwide threat posed by foreign terrorists.

The amendment to the Annex of Executive Order 12947 adds Usama bin Muhammad bin Awad bin Ladin (a.k.a. Usama bin Ladin), Islamic Army, Abu Hafs al-Masri, and Rifa'i Ahmad Taha Musa to the list of terrorists that are subject to the prohibitions contained in the Executive Order. These prohibitions include the blocking of all property and interests in the property of the terrorists listed in the Annex, the prohibition of any transaction or dealing by United States persons or within the United States in property or interests in property of the persons designated, and the prohibition of any transaction by any United States persons or within the United States that evades or avoids, or has the purpose of evading or avoiding, any of the prohibitions set forth in the Executive Order.

Usama bin Ladin and his organizations and associates have repeatedly called upon their supporters to perform acts of violence. Bin Ladin has declared that killing Americans and their allies "is an individual duty for every Muslim ... in order to liberate the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Holy Mosque." These threats are clearly intended to violently disrupt the Middle East peace process.

This Executive Order does not limit or otherwise affect the other provisions of Executive Order 12947.

I have authorized these actions in view of the danger posed to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States by the activities of Usama bin Muhammad bin Awad bin Ladin (a.k.a. Usama bin Ladin), Islamic Army, Abu Hafs al-Masri, and Rifa'i Ahmad Taha Musa that disrupt the Middle East peace process. I am enclosing a copy of the Executive Order that I have issued exercising my emergency authorities.

Sincerely, WILLIAM J. CLINTON

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

More remedial reading for chumpbailey:

Don't Blame Clinton

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLIT...ess/index.html

Don't you love it? Gingrich and company derail the president and the
country for two whole years over a minor sex scandal in the White House --
magnifying one act of oral sex into a full time, $50 million Independent
Counsel investigation, weeks of House Judiciary Committee hearings,
impeachment by the House of Representatives and trial in the Senate --
and then they accuse Clinton of not staying focused on government
business!

Have they no shame?

The truth, of course, is just the opposite. Given how distracted he was by
the Lewinsky scandal, (which was of his own making, but blown out of
proportion by his political enemies), it’s amazing Clinton was able to continue governing at all. And during that time, as The Washington Post reveals, he did a great deal to combat terrorism, much of it behind the scenes.

Clinton’s most public response, of course, were the cruise missile attacks of
1998, directed against Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and the Sudan,
following the terrorist bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

Operating on limited intelligence -- at that time, Pakistan, Uzbekistan and
Tazikistan refused to share information on the terrorists whereabouts inside
Afghanistan -- U. S. strikes missed bin Laden by only a couple of hours.

Even so, Clinton was accused of only firing missiles in order to divert media
attention from the Lewinsky hearings. A longer campaign would have stirred up even more criticism.

So Clinton tried another tack. He sponsored legislation to freeze the financial assets of international organizations suspected of funneling money to bin Laden’s Al Qaeda network -- identical to orders given by President Bush this month -- but it was killed, on behalf of big banks, by Republican Senator Phil Gramm of Texas.

Those actions, we knew about. Others, we did not, until recently. Starting in
1998, for example, Clinton gave the CIA a green light to use whatever covert means were necessary to gather information on Osama bin Laden and his followers, and to disrupt and preempt any planned terrorist activities against the United States.

As part of that effort, the CIA, under Clinton, trained and equipped some 60
commandos from Pakistan to enter Afghanistan and capture bin Laden.
The operation collapsed when Pakistan experienced a military coup and a
new government took over.

In 1998, Clinton also signed a secret agreement with Uzbekistan to begin
joint covert operations against Osama bin Laden and Afghanistan’s Taliban
regime. U.S. Special Forces have been training there ever since, which is
why the Pentagon was immediately able to use Uzbekistan as a staging
area for forays into Afghanistan.

Clinton targeted bin Laden even before he moved to Afghanistan. In 1996,
his administration brokered an agreement with the government of Sudan to
arrest the terrorist leader and turn him over to Saudi Arabia. For 10 weeks,
Clinton tried to persuade the Saudis to accept the offer. They refused. With
no cooperation from the Saudis, the deal fell apart.

Conclusion: Rohrbacher, Limbaugh, Gingrich are dead wrong when they
blame Bill Clinton for September 11. Did Clinton get Osama bin Laden
“dead or alive?” No, but he came close, several times -- long before tracking down terrorists became a national priority.

[Champbaileystopsmoss]

All I hear from you are false claims by a semi-literate moron who belongs to that tiny minority of Americans who haven't realized they've been duped by Bush yet.


So says the arm-chair general. :juggle:

No. The >2,000 troops whose trust was betrayed by the illegitimate asshat you're supporting when he lied America into a war with a country that was not a threat to us and hadn't attacked us. A country where there were no terrorists until the pinhead invaded.


Yeah you keep saying BUSH lied about WMD's and is doing tricking the minds of the americans blah blah blah but not once have i heard you say Saddam Hussein lied, why is that? I mean this is a guy who wiretapped the hotels when the inspections were going on.How many times did this joker play the UN? 17 times i believe and according to the democrats the 18th time is a charm....You mean to tell me Saddam wasnt covering anything up BS buddy.:saywhat:

Bush has already given them a victory, i.e., has created another Islamic theocracy where there was once a secular regime with no ties to al Qaeda.

Were it not for your brainwashing by Rehab Rush and Faux News and your complete disregard for matters of fact, you'd undoubtedly realize this
Yeah this "theocracy" you call it is having a vote tommorow. By the way Saddam did support terrorism, al-queda isnt the only terrorist network in this world is it? I suppose another terrorist network besides al-queda could do some damage to us. Yeah believe it or not I tried to listen to Air America for awhile and to tell you the truth its nothing but namecalling. Really the left has no direction when you listen to air america. I encourage everyone to listen to it and it will be similiar to LABF here calling Bush a bunch of names.


More unadulterated bullsh_t.

The worst terrorist attack in American history happened on 9/11 because the pinhead you support ignored numerous warnings from multiple intel sources that al Qaeda was planning suicide attacks inside the U.S. The pinhead you support sh*t-canned the previous administration's counterterrorism apparatus and replaced it with NOTHING - despite the aforementioned multiple warnings
There were warning signs yes but intel couldnt put the pieces together to figure out what was going on but spin away labf......


After presiding over the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil ever, he pledges to capture Bin Laden "dead or alive." Less than a year later, he flip flops completely and declares "I don't know where he (Bin Laden) is - he's really not that important to me." Some five years later, even with the full force of the U.S. military and a full-on "war on terror" behind him, the monkey STILL hasn't caught Bin Laden.
It is disappointing that we have not caught Bin Laden yet, I think we both agree this scumbag should be dead by now. However its been debatable whether killing Osama would help or hurt our efforts in this war. Personally I dont give a rats about what killing Osama will do to the war, just kill the bastard and get the rest. Clinton had 3-4 chances to kill the guy but one time he didnt because he didnt want to kill 20 something kids.

On the other hand, the Smirking Pinhead sits on his ass and does nothing when he is warned repeatedly that Bin Laden is determined to strike inside the U.S.

Clearly you didnt read the 9.11 report.

Another face-saving, nation-building mission launched by Pappy to shore up his "legacy" and to divert attention from his Iran-Contra troubles and those crooked pardons of Iran-Contra witnesses.
You can spin all you want but doesnt change the fact that clinton is spinless and retreated.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You mean to tell me Saddam wasnt covering anything up BS buddy.

Not during the run-up to the war.

In fact, both Colin Powell and Con-di Rice are on record stating that Saddam wasn't a threat as recently as 2/01.

Both Colin Powell, US Secretary of State, and Condoleezza Rice, President Bush's closest adviser, made clear before September 11 2001 that Saddam Hussein was no threat - to America, Europe or the Middle East.

In Cairo, on February 24 2001, Powell said: "He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."

This is the very opposite of what Bush and Blair said in public.

Powell even boasted that it was the US policy of "containment" that had effectively disarmed the Iraqi dictator - again the very opposite of what Blair said time and again. On May 15 2001, Powell went further and said that Saddam Hussein had not been able to "build his military back up or to develop weapons of mass destruction" for "the last 10 years". America, he said, had been successful in keeping him "in a box".

Two months later, Condoleezza Rice also described a weak, divided and militarily defenceless Iraq. "Saddam does not control the northern part of the country," she said. "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."

http://pilger.carlton.com/print/133099

The weapons inspectors said that Hussein was giving them his full cooperation, that they were given full access to every site they wanted to inspect, and that they only needed two more weeks to finish the job.

But Bush couldn't wait.

We know why he couldn't wait now, don't we?

Yeah this "theocracy" you call it is having a vote tommorow.

Dude - even the more intelligent and honest members of your own party are reluctantly admitting that Bush is creating a Shiite-dominated, Islamic theocracy akin to Iran in Iraq.

By the way Saddam did support terrorism, al-queda isnt the only terrorist network in this world is it? I suppose another terrorist network besides al-queda could do some damage to us.

Iraq was not a threat to America (or even to its neighbors, according to Powell and Rice) before the pinhead invaded. Now, thanks to the monkey, Iraq is another Afghanistan.


Yeah believe it or not I tried to listen to Air America for awhile and to tell you the truth its nothing but namecalling. Really the left has no direction when you listen to air america. I encourage everyone to listen to it and it will be similiar to LABF here calling Bush a bunch of names.

Boo hoo.

What did you expect? Air America is a meet up for liberals. If you can't stand the heat, then stick with Rush or O'Liely.

There were warning signs yes but intel couldnt put the pieces together to figure out what was going on but spin away labf......

:bs:

The leader of the 9/11 Commission stated that the attacks could have been prevented (I just posted the story and the link.)

In any event, you might be able to excuse Bush had he tried as hard as he could to prevent the 9/11 attacks and still failed. However, the fact of the matter is, Bush did absolutely nothing by way of response to the warnings.

Rice's lie "we never could have imagined anyone would use aircraft as missles" puts the administration's integrity and truthfullness fully into perspective.


However its been debatable whether killing Osama would help or hurt our efforts in this war.

???

Personally I dont give a rats about what killing Osama will do to the war, just kill the bastard and get the rest.

Tell that to the 9/11 families.


Clinton had 3-4 chances to kill the guy but one time he didnt because he didnt want to kill 20 something kids.

Another outright lie.

Clinton came a lot closer to offing Bin Laden than Der Monkey has - and Bush has been using the full force of the U.S. military for the past four years.

Dim Son had Bin Laden cornered at Tora Bora and let him slip away.


Clearly you didnt read the 9.11 report.

Clearly you didn't read the report - otherwise you would already know what the leader of the commission said about preventing the attacks.


You can spin all you want but doesnt change the fact that clinton is spinless and retreated.

You are the one who is doing the spinning here, as usual.

The American people made it clear that they didn't support a war in Somalia.
Since Clinton was an elected official in a representative government, he (unlike Bush) acted like one and respected the will of the people.

On the other hand, when Clinton took aggressive action against Bin Laden, the same old GOP jackals blasted him for it and stepped on his d_ck.

Some examples:

-Clinton sent legislation to Congress to TIGHTEN AIRPORT SECURITY. (Remember, this is before 9/11) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.

-Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF TERRORIST FUNDING. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.

-Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.

The repigs were clearly more concerned with getting Clinton than getting terrorists during those years.

Just think what they might have accomplished by spending all that time and tax money investigating Bin Laden instead of Clinton's zipper.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

There were warning signs yes but intel couldnt put the pieces together to figure out what was going on but spin away labf......

Clearly you didnt read the 9.11 report.

You're doing the spinning (and outright bullsh_tting) here.

Here's proof:

9/11 investigation chairman: "Attack was preventable"

The chairman of the independent commission investigating the Sept.
11 attacks is saying publicly that 9/11 could have and should have
been prevented. "As you read the report, you're going to have a pretty
clear idea what wasn't done and what should have been done," said
chairman Thomas Kean, former GOP governor of New Jersey. "This
was not something that had to happen." Members of the commis-
sion have expressed frustration at their inability to get information from
the Bush White House. Kean promises major revelations in public
testimony beginning next month.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in589137.shtml

[Champbaileystopsmoss]

The weapons inspectors said that Hussein was giving them his full cooperation, that they were given full access to every site they wanted to inspect, and that they only needed two more weeks to finish the job.

But Bush couldn't wait.

We know why he couldn't wait now, don't we?


Your right, Saddam was one of the best rulers that ever lived, better than bush. Geez Labf how come you didnt move to Iraq? Such a prospering country that we wrecked. Saddam never invaded Kuwait and never went to war with Iran. One of Saddam's advisor's was nicknamed Dr. Germ, and it was purely just that a nickname right? ::)

Dude - even the more intelligent and honest members of your own party are reluctantly admitting that Bush is creating a Shiite-dominated, Islamic theocracy akin to Iran in Iraq
Dude the women in Iraq currently are allowed to go to school and run for office and speak their minds without worrying about being raped and maimed. Ooops thats right Saddam's regime never did do anything wrong, Bush made it all up.::)
Iraq was not a threat to America (or even to its neighbors, according to Powell and Rice) before the pinhead invaded. Now, thanks to the monkey, Iraq is another Afghanistan.


Lets see Afghanistan isnt run by the Taliban who oppressed their citizens and was a terrorist state and now thanks to us they can have elections. There is also alot of development happening in Afghanistan, alot of building going on something you wouldn't know about since your too busy sipping haterade or kool-aid.

Boo hoo.

What did you expect? Air America is a meet up for liberals. If you can't stand the heat, then stick with Rush or O'Liely
Like I said I encourage others to listen in on Air America before it goes down the toilet. They resort to name-calling and thats pretty much their agenda. I dont listen to Rush, I listen to Laura Ingram.


Another outright lie.

Clinton came a lot closer to offing Bin Laden than Der Monkey has - and Bush has been using the full force of the U.S. military for the past four years.

Dim Son had Bin Laden cornered at Tora Bora and let him slip away.

And bush was supposed to do what at Tora Bora? The Generals draw up the attack plans not Bush. I dont think you have ever been there, it is some harsh terrain and alot of tunnels and bunkers making it easy to get around. Still Clinton didnt give the green light for putting a bomb on Osama's camp because there were 20 something kids playing nearby and figured it would be bad publicity.

You are the one who is doing the spinning here, as usual.

The American people made it clear that they didn't support a war in Somalia.
Since Clinton was an elected official in a representative government, he (unlike Bush) acted like one and respected the will of the people.


Still doesnt change the fact he was the one that withdrew, that is true about liberals they dictate their decisions on polls nothing more and now they want a "Global test" for other countries to tell us its OK to defend ourselves. Just shows democrats cant make their own decisions and their leadership qualities suck. Just look at Howard Dean imploding his own party.
Just think what they might have accomplished by spending all that time and tax money investigating Bin Laden instead of Clinton's zipper.
Well we could have dropped pursuing Bill Gates too right?

The leader of the 9/11 Commission stated that the attacks could have been prevented (I just posted the story and the link.)

In any event, you might be able to excuse Bush had he tried as hard as he could to prevent the 9/11 attacks and still failed. However, the fact of the matter is, Bush did absolutely nothing by way of response to the warnings.

Rice's lie "we never could have imagined anyone would use aircraft as missles" puts the administration's integrity and truthfullness fully into perspective.



Could you please tell me about the Linda Gorelick memo since you know sooo much about this? Played a huuuge part in Clintoons policies towards terrorism.

[Spider]

LOL LABF , you will never reach someone as blind as Champbaileystopsmoss....
While in Kansas I had a few debates with other drivers and the locals over Bush , Hell 2 Canadian truckers tried to Defend bush better then the other drivers that voted for the Idiot .......
It is easy for champbaileystopsmoss to be belligerent , rehashing already debunked spew cause he isnt face to face ....Chances are he doesnt believe the crap he is typing ( and if he does , chances are he uses a smoke alarm as a timmer for cooking ) , he is just trying to take you on over a message board ......

[Champbaileystopsmoss]

LOL LABF , you will never reach someone as blind as Champbaileystopsmoss....
While in Kansas I had a few debates with other drivers and the locals over Bush , Hell 2 Canadian truckers tried to Defend bush better then the other drivers that voted for the Idiot .......
It is easy for champbaileystopsmoss to be belligerent , rehashing already debunked spew cause he isnt face to face ....Chances are he doesnt believe the crap he is typing ( and if he does , chances are he uses a smoke alarm as a timmer for cooking ) , he is just trying to take you on over a message board ......
LOL LABF , you will never reach someone as blind as Champbaileystopsmoss....

yeah LABF isnt blind with hatred for bush LOL right-o pal :thumbs:

While in Kansas I had a few debates with other drivers and the locals over Bush , Hell 2 Canadian truckers tried to Defend bush better then the other drivers that voted for the Idiot

um ok.....:kiddingme
is easy for champbaileystopsmoss to be belligerent , rehashing already debunked spew cause he isnt face to face ....Chances are he doesnt believe the crap he is typing ( and if he does , chances are he uses a smoke alarm as a timmer for cooking ) , he is just trying to take you on over a message board ..
no i agree with LABF that Saddam posed no threat to the US whatsoever, In fact Saddam should have been nominated for the Nobel Peace prize, look even tookie got consideration.::)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LOL LABF , you will never reach someone as blind as Champbaileystopsmoss....

Heh heh heh!

You're probably right.

Hell, Smirky McWarhardon himself just admitted the intel upon which the war was justified was bunk, yet Chimpbailey is still sucking back the Kool-Aid.

It is easy for champbaileystopsmoss to be belligerent , rehashing already debunked spew cause he isnt face to face ....Chances are he doesnt believe the crap he is typing ( and if he does , chances are he uses a smoke alarm as a timmer for cooking )

He sounds like he's about 14 years old.

His loyalty to AWOL Boy and the Corrupt Old Party are probably more about filial piety and brand loyalty than anything else. It's all about "go team GOP."

he is just trying to take you on over a message board ......

Yep.

Most of the more intelligent Bush supporters (I know - it sounds like an oxymoron) folded their hands here a long time ago.

You know it's a sad state of affairs in BushWorld when they have to send their most inexperienced rookies onto the playing field.

:D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Your right, Saddam was one of the best rulers that ever lived, better than bush. Geez Labf how come you didnt move to Iraq? Such a prospering country that we wrecked. Saddam never invaded Kuwait and never went to war with Iran. One of Saddam's advisor's was nicknamed Dr. Germ, and it was purely just that a nickname right? ::)

You're doing what all bush monkeys do, i.e., replacing the rationaile pResident Happycrack initially used to invade and occupy Iraq and replacing it with something else.

The bush junta said we needed to invade Iraq a.s.a.p. because Iraq was an imminent threat to America. Mushroom clouds, and all that happy horsesh_t. Remember? Then it was about "removing an evil dictator." Next, it was about "liberating the Iraqi people" and "spreading democracy and freedom."

Dude the women in Iraq currently are allowed to go to school and run for office and speak their minds without worrying about being raped and maimed. Ooops thats right Saddam's regime never did do anything wrong, Bush made it all up.::)

Dude, Dim Son himself just admitted that some 30,000 Iraqis have died as a result of his killing spree. Yep - he sure "liberated" 'em, didn't he?



Lets see Afghanistan isnt run by the Taliban who oppressed their citizens and was a terrorist state...

Now Afghanistan is run in part by the Taliban and in part by the warlords who run the opium trade. Oh, that's right - Kabul is run by the BushCo/Unocal puppet government.


There is also alot of development happening in Afghanistan, alot of building going on something you wouldn't know about since your too busy sipping haterade or kool-aid.

"Developments" like the gas pipeline Unocal was kissing up to the Taliban to get permission to build back in the 90s?

Gotcha, Kool-Aid Boy.


I dont listen to Rush, I listen to Laura Ingram.

Well aren't you the grownup scholar?


And bush was supposed to do what at Tora Bora? The Generals draw up the attack plans not Bush. I dont think you have ever been there, it is some harsh terrain and alot of tunnels and bunkers making it easy to get around. Still Clinton didnt give the green light for putting a bomb on Osama's camp because there were 20 something kids playing nearby and figured it would be bad publicity.

More make-it-up-as-you-go-along propaganda.

The CIA chief and the military commanders who were at Tora Bora have already admitted on the record that Bin Laden was allowed to escape at Tora Bora and that he could have been caught.

Too bad Bush, according to his own words, "wasn't that concerned about him."

Still doesnt change the fact he was the one that withdrew, that is true about liberals they dictate their decisions on polls nothing more and now they want a "Global test" for other countries to tell us its OK to defend ourselves.

More right-wing disinfo you have apparently swallowed as fact.

Somalia was another ill-advised situation another Bush got us into. Clinton was right not to waste our military resources there - and the American people agreed with him. When Clinton chose not to withdraw in Bosnia and Kossovo, right-wing knuckledraggers attacked him for it. Those campaigns were successful, and Clinton is still given a hero's welcome in those parts of the world today (like the bush misadministration said was supposed to happen in Iraq.)


Just shows democrats cant make their own decisions and their leadership qualities suck. Just look at Howard Dean imploding his own party.

Hilarious!

A republican lecturing me about my "imploding" party?

That's rich.

Could you please tell me about the Linda Gorelick memo since you know sooo much about this? Played a huuuge part in Clintoons policies towards terrorism.

Could you be more specific?

And the burdon to prove this claim is on you.

[Champbaileystopsmoss]

aw fug it LABF . ;D we could do this for years and we wont change positions on anything. I respect your views even though they are sh*tty views. ;D In my opinion the only thing worse than a liberal is a chiefs fan right LABF?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

In my opinion the only thing worse than a liberal is a chiefs fan right LABF?

The only thing worse than a republican is a chiefs fan.

There - I fixed it for you.

;D

[Champbaileystopsmoss]

The only thing worse than a republican is a chiefs fan.

There - I fixed it for you.

;D
there was a picture of Vermiel shaking hands with Bush, im sure you would love that Picture.;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

there was a picture of Vermiel shaking hands with Bush, im sure you would love that Picture.;D

Gee, just when you think you couldn't possibly despise dick4meal more than you already do...

;D

[Spider]

aw fug it LABF . ;D we could do this for years and we wont change positions on anything. I respect your views even though they are sh*tty views. ;D In my opinion the only thing worse than a liberal is a chiefs fan right LABF?
LOL ........ Ok this was good

[RaiderH8r]

Well, I'm pretty sure Al Davis loves liberals. I mean, if Republicans had their way with the death penalty Al wouldn't sell 10 seats at a game.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I mean, if Republicans had their way with the death penalty Al wouldn't sell 10 seats at a game.

You might have just found a death penalty proposal that would receive unanimous bipartisan support. ;)

[Champbaileystopsmoss]

You might have just found a death penalty proposal that would receive unanimous bipartisan support. ;)
LABF who would you rather work for Al Davis or Bush?Nnyah!

( this will take LABF a while to figure out haha)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LABF who would you rather work for Al Davis or Bush?Nnyah!

( this will take LABF a while to figure out haha)

These are the only two multiple choice answers?

How about (c) commit suicide?

[Champbaileystopsmoss]

These are the only two multiple choice answers?

How about (c) commit suicide?
You have to pick one of the two LABF, c'mon for once dont spin.;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You have to pick one of the two LABF, c'mon for once dont spin.;D

Hey - suicide is always an option. ;)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You do raise a very difficult moral question, viz., who is the more evil personage - Bush or Al Davis?

[Champbaileystopsmoss]

You do raise a very difficult moral question, viz., who is the more evil personage - Bush or Al Davis?
so you admit your stumped. Ha!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

so you admit your stumped. Ha!

Yep - you got me this time, I admit.

;D

[Champbaileystopsmoss]

Yep - you got me this time, I admit.

;D
ROFL! finally i get you to concede....:~ohyah!:

[W*GS]

On the other hand, when Clinton took aggressive action against Bin Laden, the same old GOP jackals blasted him for it and stepped on his d_ck.

Some examples:

-Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.

This one was in response to the OKC bombing, not Islamofacist terrorists. It was defeated because Clinton and his hoplophobic friends were using it as a vehicle for unconstitutional gun control measures.

I realize you spin everything Clinton did to be as wonderful as possible, but those of us who remember things accurately know better. You're just as deceitful as ever, LABF.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

He was just cruising Santa Monica and LaBrea in search of a date...

Then W*GS found true love...

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