Draft order as of today

[KansasBronco]

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/update


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[Rascal]

unfortunately I don't see them dropping below 15.

[CUBuffman08]

They could very well lose two outta three down the stretch, but that means MIA needs to win 2 outta 3 to even gain 1 draft spot, or Philly and St Louis need to win out... i see it as unlikely we'll get much better than 15 or 16

But I'll gladly take the 32nd and the 16th picks

[FADERPROOF]

god there are some horrible ****ing teams in this league, a 4-9 team is picking12th right now.

[bendog]

how can Oak not beat the Jets? THAT was disgraceful

[Lidderer]

those slots'd be perfect for lewis and hagan.

which, coincidentally, is my dream draft.

[Clockwork Orange]

The most interesting thing about that to me is that Seattle & Indy (the teams with the two best records in the NFL) have the weakest strength of schedules in the league.

Coincidence?

[Lidderer]

for what it's worth, miami has games vs tenn/nyj left. Still, that does require wash to lose out if we were to leap-frog.

[azbroncfan]

Trade both picks for #1 and draft Bush. I think the only way to improve the D is to upgrade the O to hide weaknesses like the colts do. The colts D does look better this year but its amazing what a dominant O can do for a defense.

[Rascal]

We could get a legit cover safety and legit pass rusher. But we do need another weapon on offense. Hopefully we can get one of these three needs in the offseason (an no resigning Pryce/Brown/Warren does not count).

[Rascal]

Why does everybody always think we are going to draft a TE in the first?

Besides TE, what position would you upgrade in the offense (immediately)?

Picking a WR to groom to replace Rod would be smart but I don't see that helping us immediately plus Adams is stepping up. Jake isn't going anywhere and I think Shanny likes the RB's we have. Other then Lelie and the line I don't see much that we can do.

[Clockwork Orange]

Why does everybody always think we are going to draft a TE in the first?

TE or RB every year it seems. ::)

[BroncoSoja]

Trade both picks for #1 and draft Bush. I think the only way to improve the D is to upgrade the O to hide weaknesses like the colts do. The colts D does look better this year but its amazing what a dominant O can do for a defense.


Your crazy if you think anyone is going to except anything for Bush... Im sure you could tell Houston or SF that you would give them LT and they would tell you to jump in a lake... Bush is going to be one of the best of all times... that or he will be another Rocket Ishmail.

[Rascal]

I wouldn't be so quick to assume that Houston would take Bush. The have Dom Davis and last year they also drafted Morency.

SF will though.

[azbroncfan]

Your crazy if you think anyone is going to except anything for Bush... Im sure you could tell Houston or SF that you would give them LD and they would tell you to jump in a lake... Bush is going to be one of the best of all times... that or he will be another Rocket Ishmail.
Didn't they say same thing about Vick? Granted I'm crazy to think shanny would trade up, but I could see SF or Hou trading down as they have a lot of needs.

[Lidderer]

I wouldn't be so quick to assume that Houston would take Bush. The have Dom Davis and last year they also drafted Morency.

SF will though.

there is no way whoever drafts 1st passes on reggie bush. He's maybe the best prospect to come out of the ncaa in a decade.

[Rascal]

If Houston is first and doesn't trade out they will not pick Bush.

Hell the guy doesn't even take all the snaps on his own team. He could easily be another rocket. And there is no way he would last an entire season as he isn't use to the abuse.

[wolf754life]

Have you ever seen a college player or pro prospect with as much hype as Reggie Bush has right now? I'm not sure I have, but quite honestly he deserves it because he is a phenomenal talent and potentially a special player. With that said, I think everyone penciling him in as a lock to go #1 overall in the 2006 NFL Draft had better pull back on the reigns a little bit.

Based on pure talent Bush will most likely be the #1 rated player on everybody's board (including mine), but as every draftnikL knows "need" plays almost as big of a role in a teams selection as talent does. If Houston does indeed end up choosing #1 they sure don't need a running back, with Domanick Davis rushing for 1,000+ yards every season of his career and having just signed a brand new $21.1 million contract extension. Could they still take Bush? Absolutely, but if they do it will be simply bowing to public pressure to select the marquee name because regardless of how talented the guy is he simply does not fill a need and choosing him would be a lateral move for the franchise. Heck, he wouldn't even help them as a kick returner because Jerome Mathis has already established himself as one of the best in the league. The smart football move would be to trade down for a package of picks and address their horrendous offensive line, and you can bet that the majority of the teams looking to deal up will be after quarterback Matt Leinart, not Bush. Can you say New York Jets, Tennessee Titans, New Orleans Saints, Arizona Cardinals, Baltimore Ravens, Detroit Lions, Oakland Raiders and Miami Dolphins (just to name a few). In fact, it would appear that Green Bay and San Francisco are the only teams near the top of the draft order who would consider moving up with Bush as their target. Do the math and that's 4-to-1 in favor of the quarterback. The bidding would likely start at what the Giants paid to move up and select Eli Manning in 2004 and it could easily go far beyond that if the top underclassmen quarterbacks decide to return to college, essentially making Leinart the only game in town at the league's most valued position. In other words they can expect a king's ransom should they opt to deal the choice.

Another factor to consider is how much he would help a team even if, in a best-case scenario, he develops into one of the premier players at his position in the NFL. Let's take a look at some of the greatest running backs who have ever played the game and how they did when it comes to the Super Bowls which, after all, is why they play the games. O.J. Simpson never even played in one. Eric Dickerson didn't win one. Negative for Barry Sanders too. Emmitt Smith won a bunch but he also had Troy Aikman. Walter Payton didn't win a Super Bowl until the Bears had one of the best defenses in league history in 1985. Gale Sayers, the guy who Bush is most often compared to, never even played in a playoff game! How about some of the most productive runners from recent years. Jerome Bettis? Curtis Martin? LaDainian Tomlinson? No, No and No. The bottom line is that even some of the best to ever play the game did not take their team to the Promised Land. However from 1993 to 2001 seven of the nine Super Bowl's were won by teams quarterbacked by former 1st round picks, and that doesn't include Brett Favre who went 33rd overall and was later traded to Green Bay for a #1 pick. With that kind of history I'd stake my claim to Leinart providing I didn't already have a top quarterback because history has shown that even a slightly above average signal caller can take his team to and win the big one.

The 2006 NFL Draft is still months away but if I were a betting man I'd place my money on Matt Leinart being the guy who ultimately goes #1 overall come April 29th and while that might not be the flashiest pick history tells us it will be the right one.

[Rascal]

link?

[BroncoSoja]

I wouldn't be so quick to assume that Houston would take Bush. The have Dom Davis and last year they also drafted Morency.

SF will though.


If Houston passes up on Bush.. Hell if anyone passes up on Bush I would cut my left foot off... Players like him dont come along to often, and Davis is hardly tearing the NFL up.. As a matter of fact he never has....Bush would actually make Houston respectable, and they could dangle Davis out as trade bait for some Ol Help.

[Lidderer]

i mean i understand the various reasons why Bush might not go #1, but i'm telling you, i swear to god, he's going #1.

[azbroncfan]

i mean i understand the various reasons why Bush might not go #1, but i'm telling you, i swear to god, he's going #1.
Yep someone could trade up to get him.

[Rich Karlis]

Last 9 1st round picks for Denver OLB, DE, WR, MLB, CB, CB, WR, OT, OLB.

Shanny hasnt drafted a DE in the first round in a while and I hope he does it this year.

[Lidderer]

Yep someone could trade up to get him.

Davis is a decent back. Bush is a franchise back. I'll rephrase: If houston has the #1 pick they draft reggie bush, I guarantee.

[azbroncfan]

Davis is a decent back. Bush is a franchise back. I'll rephrase: If houston has the #1 pick they draft reggie bush, I guarantee.
Same way Chargers were a lock to get vick and ended up with LT and Brees. Granted I think HOU would but I would be blind to not think they could pick and trade him, or trade down. Not the first time a superstud came out.

[Rascal]

I disagree. If houston has the #1 pick they will trade out.

It's all conjecture at this point as nobody really knows.

[azbroncfan]

It's all conjecture at this point as nobody really knows.
Exactly

[Broncoman13]

how can Oak not beat the Jets? THAT was disgraceful


It's pretty obvious that Al is trying to tank the season to improve draft slotting... you'd have to be blind and ignorant not to figure that one out!

[Lidderer]

true, it's just speculation.

But i'd say it's closer to speculating that "denver might make the playoffs", whereas suggesting houston trades out is more like "miami might win their division"

[FADERPROOF]

there is no way whoever drafts 1st passes on reggie bush. He's maybe the best prospect to come out of the ncaa in a decade.

I forget who it was on here, but just a month ago or so when I was talking about Reggie Bush going #2 overall, I was informed by the certain poster than Bush is a mid-late 1st rounder and DeAngelo Williams will be the first RB off the board.

[Lidderer]

I forget who it was on here, but just a month ago or so when I was talking about Reggie Bush going #2 overall, I was informed by the certain poster than Bush is a mid-late 1st rounder and DeAngelo Williams will be the first RB off the board.

ya, that was DeWilliams192

[NFLBRONCO]

Positions I want looked at in round 1

DE DT S RB

Why did I choose these positions simple:

These positions can play right away no waiting a few years to hope a WR OL are solid players. I want instant impact.

[Arkie]

http://www.gbnreport.com/2006projection.html

16 Denver (from Washington) *Leonard Pope TE Georgia
30 Denver Elvis Dumervil DE Louisville

[Drek]

All the arguements made for Bush can just as easily be made for Leinart, its just old hat because the Lienart hype wagon took its spin around town last year.

Bush or Leinart will be #1, but it can go either or, they both deserve it and will be viewed as the cornerstone of the selecting franchise.

[Play2win]

Is it just me, or does Reggie Bush remind anybody else more of O.J. SIMPSON than GAYLE SAYERS?

[Play2win]

http://www.gbnreport.com/2006projection.html

16 Denver (from Washington) *Leonard Pope TE Georgia
30 Denver Elvis Dumervil DE Louisville I would be all over Leonard Pope being a Bronco. That guy is a monster. He would change our offense. Plus he would be an immediate fix to our Red-Zone Offense.

[-Slap-]

Hoston and Frisco are both screwed up franchises. I was hoping Reggie would go to Green Bay.

[Rascal]

Can Bush pickup the tough yards or is a big or nothing back?

[Rascal]

Is Huff a good cover safety?

[Play2win]

Can Bush pickup the tough yards or is a big or nothing back?
I believe he would be productive inbetween the tackles in a LT2 sort of way. He could score on the SHORT & GOAL, but he wouldn't move the pile (or be quite as good at the goalline) as a true bruiser.

[NFLBRONCO]

I would be all over Leonard Pope being a Bronco. That guy is a monster. He would change our offense. Plus he would be an immediate fix to our Red-Zone Offense.

I like Pope myself but, I'd prefer yo trade down a few spots for Huff S Texas bigger need.

[Ratboy]

I don't like any receivers in this years draft.

Give me Michael Huff, Marcedes Lewis, or Mario Williams.

If Brady Quinn came out, I'd want him.

[Mile High Shack]

Is Huff a good cover safety?

better than anything we have, that is for sure

[Hercules Rockefeller]

better than anything we have, that is for sure

That's not saying much

[watermock]

better than anything we have, that is for surehttp://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=410&dateline=1128373060

Hey little buddy, how would you like to get fined?

Code 19...we got a perp on Evans and University...

[Headless Hessian Rider]

well, may be we get the 31th pick from the skins..... and our own 32nd , so i don't care about the skins advance... i would really like this matchup

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I don't like any receivers in this years draft.

Give me Michael Huff, Marcedes Lewis, or Mario Williams.

If Brady Quinn came out, I'd want him.

Mario isn't going to even sniff the Skins pick, there's no chance Denver gets him.

[Rock Chalk]

Davis is a decent back. Bush is a franchise back. I'll rephrase: If houston has the #1 pick they draft reggie bush, I guarantee.
I can tell you right now, Houston does not take Reggie Bush. You dont just sign a RB to a 21.1 million dollar deal and draft the best RB to come out of the draft since Barry Sanders.

Bush may go number 1, but only if Houston trades down.

If Houston DOESNT trade down, they are ****ing idiots and deserve the #1 pick the following year as well. They need a whole new offensive line, might as well throw in a brand new defense to go with their shiny new O-line and no one, not even Reggie Bush, is going to be able to do much behind that line.

My opinion is that Houston trades down for a crapload of picks and drafts nothing but linemen on both sides of the ball.

Whoever they trade to will take EITHER Bush or Leinart depending on need.

Besides, Bush won the Heisman, why would you want him?

[SpringStein]

I like Pope myself but, I'd prefer yo trade down a few spots for Huff S Texas bigger need.

I think Huff will go higher than anyone currently anticipates. I seriously doubt he will be there at #16 or whatever number we end up at.

[brncs_fan]

Personally, I think Houston is dumb if they take leinart. They have a QB in Carr who has never really been able to show what he could do because he is getting killed all the time (go look up sacks + pressures over the last three years). Why would you bring in another first round QB to get him killed too.

Houston would be best served to trade out of the first or second pick and try to get some other elements to make them competitive. Leinart may end up being a good QB, but he won't make any more plays laying on his back than Carr has.

[MowrMowr]

Pope is an absolute beast. That being said, Vernon Davis will be the first TE off the board.

[Clockwork Orange]

Pope is an absolute beast. That being said, Vernon Davis will be the first TE off the board.

I think Marcedes Lewis will go before him, but stranger things have happened.

[Paladin]

A lot of speculation going on, but, when you have a break in the action.....

I think there are two positions that the Broncos need to fill in the draft: WR and S. They could use a WR that strikes fear in the opposing D's. I want to see a big, strong, fearless, fast WR to take over from Smith one day. I am not displeased with the current crop of WRs, but they are missing something, and that is the consistent big play threat with major YAC potential.

I like the work of an Ed Reed or someone like that. I think that just makes a D so much stronger. The QB will hold the ball just a bit longer to find out where the S is playing and the Dline has a bit more time - that split second time - to get in there and create havoc. I'd like to see a young Lynch who has good wheels.

I think I would rather take a long look at Vince Young over Lineart. JMHO.

[baja]

Have you ever seen a college player or pro prospect with as much hype as Reggie Bush has right now? I'm not sure I have, but quite honestly he deserves it because he is a phenomenal talent and potentially a special player. With that said, I think everyone penciling him in as a lock to go #1 overall in the 2006 NFL Draft had better pull back on the reigns a little bit.

Based on pure talent Bush will most likely be the #1 rated player on everybody's board (including mine), but as every draftnikL knows "need" plays almost as big of a role in a teams selection as talent does. If Houston does indeed end up choosing #1 they sure don't need a running back, with Domanick Davis rushing for 1,000+ yards every season of his career and having just signed a brand new $21.1 million contract extension. Could they still take Bush? Absolutely, but if they do it will be simply bowing to public pressure to select the marquee name because regardless of how talented the guy is he simply does not fill a need and choosing him would be a lateral move for the franchise. Heck, he wouldn't even help them as a kick returner because Jerome Mathis has already established himself as one of the best in the league. The smart football move would be to trade down for a package of picks and address their horrendous offensive line, and you can bet that the majority of the teams looking to deal up will be after quarterback Matt Leinart, not Bush. Can you say New York Jets, Tennessee Titans, New Orleans Saints, Arizona Cardinals, Baltimore Ravens, Detroit Lions, Oakland Raiders and Miami Dolphins (just to name a few). In fact, it would appear that Green Bay and San Francisco are the only teams near the top of the draft order who would consider moving up with Bush as their target. Do the math and that's 4-to-1 in favor of the quarterback. The bidding would likely start at what the Giants paid to move up and select Eli Manning in 2004 and it could easily go far beyond that if the top underclassmen quarterbacks decide to return to college, essentially making Leinart the only game in town at the league's most valued position. In other words they can expect a king's ransom should they opt to deal the choice.

Another factor to consider is how much he would help a team even if, in a best-case scenario, he develops into one of the premier players at his position in the NFL. Let's take a look at some of the greatest running backs who have ever played the game and how they did when it comes to the Super Bowls which, after all, is why they play the games. O.J. Simpson never even played in one. Eric Dickerson didn't win one. Negative for Barry Sanders too. Emmitt Smith won a bunch but he also had Troy Aikman. Walter Payton didn't win a Super Bowl until the Bears had one of the best defenses in league history in 1985. Gale Sayers, the guy who Bush is most often compared to, never even played in a playoff game! How about some of the most productive runners from recent years. Jerome Bettis? Curtis Martin? LaDainian Tomlinson? No, No and No. The bottom line is that even some of the best to ever play the game did not take their team to the Promised Land. However from 1993 to 2001 seven of the nine Super Bowl's were won by teams quarterbacked by former 1st round picks, and that doesn't include Brett Favre who went 33rd overall and was later traded to Green Bay for a #1 pick. With that kind of history I'd stake my claim to Leinart providing I didn't already have a top quarterback because history has shown that even a slightly above average signal caller can take his team to and win the big one.

The 2006 NFL Draft is still months away but if I were a betting man I'd place my money on Matt Leinart being the guy who ultimately goes #1 overall come April 29th and while that might not be the flashiest pick history tells us it will be the right one.

Did you write this?

It is very well written

[DrFate]

Houston + Bush = problem

I think Bush is a wonderful talent. That said, the Houston line is a joke. They have good skill players that are wasted because of the weak line. How can Bush succeed with zero blocking? How could anybody?

[orinjkrush]

whatever we do we need one or two immediate impact players....no projects

[Hercules Rockefeller]

whatever we do we need one or two immediate impact players....no projects

Unless Denver gets lucky, the pick at 1b is not likely to be an impact player next year. Shanahan doesn't draft people expecting them to contribute the first year either. Remember that DWill was expected to return kicks and be the 4th corner, and Foxworth was expected to compete for the nickel, nothing more. Any real contributions from rookies is gravy.

[PortisFanForever]

That Wolfguy, just copied and pasted that story from www.nfldraftcountdown.com

Thats prob the best pre-draft site out there

Pretty lame to try to play that off as his own

Anyone else going to Buffalo this weekend?

[Cowboys Fan]

Gayle Sayers said Reggie Bush is the best running back he's ever seen come out of college. That's good enough for me.

[DBroncos4life]

If Quinn and Young come out the draft will get better for us. Im not saying we will draft either of them but someone teams ahead of us will leaving others to last longer then they would have otherwise.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Houston is going to trade down.

[watermock]

Houston is going to trade down.

That's fine and dandy, but I'm not a big advocate of top ten picks...I consider them overpriced and too spendy to trade up to to boot...

Unless Houston wants to take Tater and our top first, that's about as big a deal I make...I don't like throwing that much money at a rookie...Bush's value is thru the roof and totally unrealistic IMO...I will throw tater and a first, that's it....maybe Pryce if he wont cooperate...we can't pay Pryce 10 million next year...he's just not worth that much...

shouldn't we be worrying about Buffalo?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

That's fine and dandy, but I'm not a big advocate of top ten picks...I consider them overpriced and too spendy to trade up to to boot...


I don't think Denver has much of an interest in a top 10 pick. Is there a can't miss WR coming out this year? I'd say that or OL is your biggest need.

[Needa Pass Rush]

I don't think Denver has much of an interest in a top 10 pick. Is there a can't miss WR coming out this year? I'd say that or OL is your biggest need.

I would take a speed rusher or a beast DT to match with Warren as a bigger need then OL. As a closet Denver fan you should know that precious few of our OLman come in the early rounds.

[Play2win]

I would take a speed rusher or a beast DT to match with Warren as a bigger need then OL. As a closet Denver fan you should know that precious few of our OLman come in the early rounds.
I think that would change the whole complexion of our Defense. An edge rusher would be nice, but give us another MONSTER DT along side Warren, and we are going places!!!

[Rascal]

Pete Carrol and the Houston Texans were meeting Thursday morning at 9:00am to discuss the soon to be vacant Head Coaches position for the Houston Texans.

Texans are prepared to offer Carroll $5.75 million per year for 8 years with a $1.5 Million Dollar Signing Bonus. Carrol would have complete control all football operations.

If all goes according to plan, Carroll would announce his acceptance tomorrow. He absolutely will continue all duties and responsibilities through the Rose Bowl.


Lienart to houston?

[ludo21]

Houston is going to trade down.

they should. They have so many holes. Bush wouldnt fix their problems. Getting a couple OL, then maybe they can think about a new RB. But DD is pretty darn good.

[ludo21]

Pete Carrol and the Houston Texans were meeting Thursday morning at 9:00am to discuss the soon to be vacant Head Coaches position for the Houston Texans.

Texans are prepared to offer Carroll $5.75 million per year for 8 years with a $1.5 Million Dollar Signing Bonus. Carrol would have complete control all football operations.

If all goes according to plan, Carroll would announce his acceptance tomorrow. He absolutely will continue all duties and responsibilities through the Rose Bowl.


Lienart to houston?


link?? What source?? Your sisters husbands best friends mom's dad is Carrols agent?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I think the 49ers will draft Bush.

[Rascal]

Jeremy Foster of Houston's KLT610 Morning Radio Show

[Rascal]

I agree with bob...damnit.

[ludo21]

Jeremy Foster of Houston's KLT610 Morning Radio Show


is that reliable?

I too agree with boob :tearhair:

[Rascal]

I haven't seen anything else yet but the move makes sense.

[ludo21]

I haven't seen anything else yet but the move makes sense.


wouldnt it be funny if Carrol takes that job and the TExans get the first pick. Then Pete would have to choose and the other would be butt hurt.