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Popps

12-12-2005, 12:21 AM

From what I understand, if we can beat Buffalo next week, we've got the tiebreakers on K.C.. Plus, factor in a decent chance that the Giants could pull of that win.

But, with a game against SD remaining.. we have to keep our eye on them a bit.

What's going to happen next Sunday? Indy only has the perfect season to play for. Is Dungy bluffing, or do you think he'll actually start resting guys? Week 15 is a little early to be doing that, no?

Then again, at full strength.. they should beat SD pretty handily. Then, they have Seattle away.. which could be tough, but a sleeper in week 16 with Arizona at home. (They could rest their starters and win that game.)

So, Dungy say he doesn't care about 16-0. What's going to happen? Starters pulled in the 4th... earlier? What if the game is close?

Clockwork Orange

12-12-2005, 12:23 AM

I think Indy will play the game like usual. I don't see them resting anyone, it's too soon and I think they want that 16-0 a lot more than they're letting on.

SoCalBronco

12-12-2005, 12:24 AM

We do not need to worry about the Chargers anymore really. I have no doubt that they will lose at KC, regardless of what they do against Indy or Denver. Denver will at the very least win 1 game of the last 3, so I dont think there is a viable scenario where we could end the season tied with the Chargers for the division and have it come down to tiebreakers.

Popps

12-12-2005, 12:28 AM

As a sub-question... who's got the best chance of beating Indy besides us? Who should we root to see go into Indy? Cinci? They can't stop ANYone. Pittsburgh? Maybe, but at the dome, no weather?

Believe it or not, I think the team with the best shot might be the Chiefs. Now, given... they're a ****-team. But, they've got the potential for offensive explosion every blue moon, and if Johnson can get on-track and they could keep Manning off the field, they might be able to pull off the fluke. I'd say that's about a 1-50 chance, especially how they played today.

It would just be great to see KC go up to Indy and pull off a fluke win, only to have to come to Denver to get punked in the playoffs again.

Here's the potential pool, by the way:

Denver
Cinci
New England
Jacksonville
Pittsburgh
Kansas City
San Diego
Miami (Super long shot)

Popps

12-12-2005, 12:29 AM

Bob's your Information Minister

12-12-2005, 12:34 AM

GO COLTS! :flower:

CUBuffman08

12-12-2005, 12:59 AM

GO COLTS! :flower:
How one loss changes your outlook bob...
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=34581

Bob's your Information Minister

12-12-2005, 01:01 AM

How one loss changes your outlook bob...
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=34581

Eh I was rooting for Indy last week, too.

Blart

12-12-2005, 01:34 AM

Going 16-0 isn't going to be as historic as Miami, because Miami was the first to do it, and now it'll just be shared. After a few teams go undefeated coaches won't care enough to do it again, and it will be another silly stat.

So if Indy does go 16-0, they may be the last to do so for a long time, just because the stat won't be as special and coaches will rest players.

I still believe Colts will choke in the post season.

Popps

12-12-2005, 10:40 AM

Crushaholic

12-12-2005, 10:48 AM

A Denver win coupled with another KC AND San Diego loss next week gives us the division. We're almost at a point where we don't have to look over our shoulder anymore at the other AFC West fools...

footstepsfrom#27

12-12-2005, 10:50 AM

:yep: :yep: :yep: Wouldn't it be funny if the Dolts went 16-0 and wound up losing to New England in the playoffs again?

Popps

12-12-2005, 10:51 AM

:yep: :yep: :yep: Wouldn't it be funny if the Dolts went 16-0 and wound up losing to New England in the playoffs again?

Epic!

maven

12-12-2005, 10:52 AM

Believe it or not, I think the team with the best shot might be the Chiefs. Now, given... they're a ****-team. But, they've got the potential for offensive explosion every blue moon, and if Johnson can get on-track and they could keep Manning off the field, they might be able to pull off the fluke.

I think the Patriots have the best chance of beating Indy.

ludo21

12-12-2005, 10:56 AM

Colts have a great shto at winning out, will they? Depends on how bad hey want it. Cardinals are going to go after them, SD needs the win, and yet again Seattle will play in a statment game for them.

The Broncos do have a great shot at beating them, we have to press their WR, disrupt their timing, and then get to manning. No TO's and you can hang around all game.

Mile High Shack

12-12-2005, 10:58 AM

Crushaholic

12-12-2005, 10:59 AM

GO COLTS! :flower:

...and GO GIANTS!!!

Rock Chalk

12-12-2005, 11:00 AM

Yea, I'm just not sure who has enough talent to force Indy into a choke-game, at this point. Sometimes I think WE do, other times... not so much.
We already saw them take apart Indy and Pitt. Again, I think we're the only thing standing between them and a SB title. The lousy NFC is only going to be a formality.
I disagree. I know the old addage about Seattle over in the NFC, but they finally got receivers to hold on to the passes. Hassleback is playing out of his mind and Alexander is still king stud over there in that conference. Their defense is a little above average but the key is keeping Manning off the field. If Indy goes, Seattle has the best shot at beating them, probably better than us IMO.

ludo21

12-12-2005, 11:03 AM

something we have failed to do to WRs for about..oooo....13 weeks now

very true, but maybe we will gameplan differently for them. WE pressed them last year and got burnt. But i still believe thats the only way to play them.

I agree Alec. Seattle has a great shot at taking them. A great OL, a good running game, their only flaw is a young Defense, but they are playing very well.

maven

12-12-2005, 11:08 AM

Now if we're talking about the regular season it's definately Seattle. It's on their field. The have a good offense & their defense has gotten better. Also factor in it's the last game of the season so both teams might field back-ups. Therefor, Seattle has a good chance of winning.

Mile High Shack

12-12-2005, 11:10 AM

in the playoffs

I think NE has an excellent chance of taking out the Colts

and man, I would laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh

ludo21

12-12-2005, 11:14 AM

in the playoffs

I think NE has an excellent chance of taking out the Colts

and man, I would laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh

and laugh and laugh and laugh. Nyah! Ha!

Wouldnt that be great tho ^5

Rascal

12-12-2005, 11:15 AM

With our pass defense and lack of pass rush I don't think we have a chance in hell against Indy. I still think the Bengals have the best chance. If the Pats keep improving maybe them and potentially Pittsburgh.

sirhcyennek81

12-12-2005, 11:19 AM

something we have failed to do to WRs for about..oooo....13 weeks now

and yet, here we are, at 10-3... Ha!

Rascal

12-12-2005, 11:25 AM

and yet, here we are, at 10-3... Ha!

How many pass happy teams have we faced?

If we don't get pressure on the QB and improve our pass defense it could be an early exit in the playoffs.

Mile High Shack

12-12-2005, 11:25 AM

and yet, here we are, at 10-3... Ha!

I know, but something is breaking down now it seems

our running game has been sub-standard and so has our passing game recently

then you add in our lack of pass rush and our questionable secondary technique, it makes me wonder just how good our team really is or if we are going to lose in the first round of the playoffs again

BigPlayShay

12-12-2005, 11:31 AM

Indy would hate to see New England, or Jacksonville again for that matter. Jacksonville's D-line was beating Peyton up. Pity they got so far behind and it was completely thier own fault.

ludo21

12-12-2005, 11:35 AM

I know, but something is breaking down now it seems

our running game has been sub-standard and so has our passing game recently

then you add in our lack of pass rush and our questionable secondary technique, it makes me wonder just how good our team really is or if we are going to lose in the first round of the playoffs again

nothing is breaking down per say.

Its more teams are studying us and us not changing things up. We gotta keep changing things, make teams change to us.

Gort

12-12-2005, 12:10 PM

I think Indy will play the game like usual. I don't see them resting anyone, it's too soon and I think they want that 16-0 a lot more than they're letting on.

hell yeah they do! Indianapolis is a cowsh*t town. they only reason they have an NFL franchise is because the evil drunk Chicago businessman who came into posession of the Baltimore Colts in a swap with Rosenbloom in the 70's wanted to move the team closer to his hometown.

everything the Colts franchise has ever done... NFL championships... HOF players... was accomplished in Baltimore by Baltimore Colts players. for 20 years, those Indianapolis huckleberries have had nothing to point to as their own, until potatohead got that passing record last year.

all of the Baltimore Colts HOF players disowned the franchise after the move. in response, Indy tried to "un-retire" all of the numbers of HOF Baltimore Colts players, but the outcry was too much and they relented. the Baltimore Colts players who still live/lived in Maryland switched their allegiance to the Ravens, including Unitas! they want/wanted nothing to do with the Indianapolis team.

so, yes, the Indy team DESPERATELY wants that 16-0 record, no matter what they say publicly. it would finally be something they accomplished for themselves.

it's too bad that Cleveland lost their franchise to Baltimore, but they did get another one and they got to keep their name, logos, and records in Cleveland. the anger Baltimore Colts fans still feel toward Indy is because they lost the name, colors, and franchise history when the team moved. it's just impossible to look at the Indy Colts wearing the horseshoe and not mutter expletives under your breath after 20 years. that name and logo belongs in Baltimore the same way that the Broncos belong in Denver.

Alkazar

12-12-2005, 12:24 PM

I think of the teams remaining for Indy to play, its probably going to be the Patriots in the playoffs. NE's defense is starting to get healthy again and Peyton is getting more and more worried about that.

jonny1

12-12-2005, 01:53 PM

nothing is breaking down per say.

Its more teams are studying us and us not changing things up. We gotta keep changing things, make teams change to us.

Possibility that Shanahan IS playing it close to the vest as long as he can so that he'll have surprises in store for coordinators in the playoffs.

Just call me Mr. Silver Lining . . . :homer:

terry251973

12-12-2005, 01:58 PM

Mile High Shack

12-12-2005, 01:59 PM

its a possibility that new england could go to indy in playoffs and win and come to denver for afc title game.but new england is about as dead as the chargers.if new england wins super bowl this year,its pretty safe to say the nfl is fixed.

NE isn't winning the whole shootin' match this year

but Pay-a-ton's nutsack would shrivel to walnut size if he saw NE coming to town

FADERPROOF

12-12-2005, 02:00 PM

Yea, I'm just not sure who has enough talent to force Indy into a choke-game, at this point. Sometimes I think WE do, other times... not so much.
We already saw them take apart Indy and Pitt. Again, I think we're the only thing standing between them and a SB title. The lousy NFC is only going to be a formality.

I'm still a little queezy about playing Indy in the playoffs, 1 because of past results and 2 because of the way we've looked the past 2 weeks.

3 weeks ago, bring on the Colts, now I'm a tad worried.

terry251973

12-12-2005, 02:01 PM

hehe,that would be cool to see peyton get all scared.

FADERPROOF

12-12-2005, 02:02 PM

NE isn't winning the whole shootin' match this year

but Pay-a-ton's nutsack would shrivel to walnut size if he saw NE coming to town

I've played out the scenerio that NE wins their first round game and has to go to Indy, in which we'll hear all week from analysts how this is the Colts year and how the Pats have to play under the dome and how this will be different because the Colts aren't playing NE in Foxboro.

...then NE takes it to them in orderly fashion.

Mile High Shack

12-12-2005, 02:03 PM

I've played out the scenerio that NE wins their first round game and has to go to Indy, in which we'll hear all week from analysts how this is the Colts year and how the Pats have to play under the dome and how this will be different because the Colts aren't playing NE in Foxboro.

...then NE takes it to them in orderly fashion.

with a healthier Dline and a healthy Corey Dillon, the Pats have enough ball control to win it

plus Bellicheck knows how to game plan for pay-a-ton

I'd rather face NE than Indy in the playoffs, for some reason we play the Pats well

terry251973

12-12-2005, 02:03 PM

well theres no reason to worry bout denver going back to that dreaded rca dome.if they plan on going to superbowl,their going to have to face the colts and get payback.

FADERPROOF

12-12-2005, 02:05 PM

with a healthier Dline and a healthy Corey Dillon, the Pats have enough ball control to win it

plus Bellicheck knows how to game plan for pay-a-ton

I'd rather face NE than Indy in the playoffs, for some reason we play the Pats well

Same here, the Pats are getting healthy now and have wrapped up the AFC East, but I'd take them on before the Colts.

sirhcyennek81

12-12-2005, 02:06 PM

Heard this earlier today, that teams have us "figured" out. But dont you think when you have a coach in one city for 11 years, how to beat him would be well past established by now? We dont change what we do, we run on you, run on you, run on you, boot jake out, big plays downfield. Our offense did not struggle in KC, our defense did. Our offense struggled yesterday, and our defense did not. We have not gotten a ton of sacks all year, this is not a new thing, but we lead the league in QB pressures. We are 2nd in turnovers, teams worry about our passrush, why else do you max protect when you play denver? Slow the front 4 and the blitzing we do. Denver goes into buffalo this week, and will do things to the Bills that will make their fans cry. Trust me on this. ;)

Popps

12-12-2005, 04:36 PM

I'm still a little queezy about playing Indy in the playoffs, 1 because of past results and 2 because of the way we've looked the past 2 weeks.

3 weeks ago, bring on the Colts, now I'm a tad worried.

Same here.

Look, I love this team as much as anyone here... but I'm just having a hard time convincing myself that we're better positioned to knock off Indy than we were a year ago.

As most people who pay attention can tell you...it's been about improving our defense enough to be able to stay in a game with them. Have we done that?
Hard to say. My prime concern over the last few years has been pass-rush. (Jeesh, more like over the past seven years.) But, here we are... near the bottom of the league in sacks, using gimmicks to create QB pressure and asking our secondary to perform miracles every week.

Add to the equation that IF we see them, it'll be in the MCI-dome, or whatever crappy indoor soccer field they play on.... and our odds continue to shrink.

Plus, we haven't exactly looked like we've been fine tuning our game the past few weeks.

Look, I'm proud of this team... and I'll live and die with them, as always. But to say that my optimism is a bit guarded at this point might be an understatement. Like it or not, Indy is for real. They've proved it.. and now we're the only thing standing between them and a championship.
That said, I CAN see game scenarios where we could get out in front and start running the ball down their throats. I DO think their defense can be exploited. Cinci managed to run up a pretty big score on them, but they couldn't stop them. (Refer to that game if you still actually think our offense is why we haven't been able to beat them the past couple of years in the playoffs.)

Let's hope we start looking more like champions in the coming weeks, and put together some schemes to get it done when playoff time comes.

orange 4 life

12-12-2005, 04:57 PM

I've played out the scenerio that NE wins their first round game and has to go to Indy, in which we'll hear all week from analysts how this is the Colts year and how the Pats have to play under the dome and how this will be different because the Colts aren't playing NE in Foxboro.

...then NE takes it to them in orderly fashion.

interesting you mention that, because ive said the EXACT same thing a couple times today.

i too have gone through all the scenarios, and the most likely one has new england going to indy for indys first playoff game and first important game in over a month.
i'd have to give the patsies a better than average chance, and that could mean an afc championship in denver.