Cincy and Denver

[55CrushEm]

Kind of weird when you look at the similarities of our remaining schedules.....

1. Both teams are 9-3 fighting for the #2 seed and a bye.....

2. Both teams next 3 games are against teams that are all currently 4-8....and the home and away venue is the same. (Denver: Baltimore, @ Buff, Oakland......Cincy: Cleveland, @ Detroit, Buffalo)

3. Both teams final game is a road game against an 8-4 AFC West team (Denver: @ SD........Cincy: @ KC)


I guess I bring this up again to scratch my head at those who seem to think that if we win our next 3 that the last game won't mean much......I see Cincy winning their next 3 as well........and when you consider that we pay SD on a SATURDAY....that doesn't give us the benefit of knowing what the result of the Cincy/KC game is....

[sirhcyennek81]

Win out, what cinci does doesnt matter. If denver and cinci end up with the same record, cinci still gets 3 seed.

[Ratboy]

Win all 4 games and there is nothing to worry about.

[meangene]

Kind of weird when you look at the similarities of our remaining schedules.....

1. Both teams are 9-3 fighting for the #2 seed and a bye.....

2. Both teams next 3 games are against teams that are all currently 4-8....and the home and away venue is the same. (Denver: Baltimore, @ Buff, Oakland......Cincy: Cleveland, @ Detroit, Buffalo)

3. Both teams final game is a road game against an 8-4 AFC West team (Denver: @ SD........Cincy: @ KC)


I guess I bring this up again to scratch my head at those who seem to think that if we win our next 3 that the last game won't mean much......I see Cincy winning their next 3 as well........and when you consider that we pay SD on a SATURDAY....that doesn't give us the benefit of knowing what the result of the Cincy/KC game is....

I absolutely agree. I think we need to go 4-0 to get the #2 seed now. 3-1 gets us the division in all probabilty but that's it. We need to be able to win games like the SD game on the road anyway if we are an elite team.

[Mile High Shack]

KC isn't going to lose at home to Cinncy

[meangene]

KC isn't going to lose at home to Cinncy

If it has no meaning for them they will lay down like dogs if it costs us the #2 seed. Plus, we play on Sat so we can't rely on that anyway - not that we should.

[Mediator12]

Playing in KC in Jan is not the same as SD in Jan. KC will probably have a long shot to get in to the playoffs if Denver beats SD the day before.

Otherwise, the next three weeks will be important to win since the Tie breaker is conference games and they play two of three versus NFC and Denver plays all AFC opponents from here on out. The best part of it is if they are tied it goes to strength of Victory in which Denver will clearly have an advantage being 20 wins up playing teams with the exact same record!

[Hotrod]

Cincy has a very suspect run D the chefs and LJ will feast on it.

Thats the exact reason I really like Denver in a playoff game vs Cincy.

[Mile High Shack]

If it has no meaning for them they will lay down like dogs if it costs us the #2 seed. Plus, we play on Sat so we can't rely on that anyway - not that we should.


there is always the let down factor

just like if we would've beat KC in KC last week, I'd say Bmore would probably give us a very good game and probably beat us b/c of the let down factor

Cinccy won against a team they haven't beat in a million years, there will be a let-down, it's only natural, the Cinncy team isn't mature enough not to have a let down

[sirhcyennek81]

KC has a suspect pass defense, Cinci will get a big lead on KC early, take LJ out of it.

[Jesterhole]

It's going to be tough if it comes down to the last game of the season. We play on Saturday, so we'll have to go into San Diego to win if we are still even at that point.

I don't like our chances on the road against high scoring teams. Especially if San Diego is still in it at that point, which they probably will be, while the Cheaps will be out. Just my guessing...

[meangene]

there is always the let down factor

just like if we would've beat KC in KC last week, I'd say Bmore would probably give us a very good game and probably beat us b/c of the let down factor

Cinccy won against a team they haven't beat in a million years, there will be a let-down, it's only natural, the Cinncy team isn't mature enough not to have a let down

I hope you're right on Cincy but I don't see it. Their schedule is cake until KC.

[Elway 4 Life]

KC isn't going to lose at home to Cinncy

Says you! Cincy's pass offense will be way to much for the KC defense. I dont think cincy's defense can stop kc's ground game but cincy will win a shootout. KC's pass defense is very bad.

[sirhcyennek81]

Cinci went into Pittsburgh and got a win, i suspect they could do the same in KC.

[Mile High Shack]

Says you! Cincy's pass offense will be way to much for the KC defense. I dont think cincy's defense can stop kc's ground game but cincy will win a shootout. KC's pass defense is very bad.

it might be bad

but if KC still has something to play for, they play unreal in the regular season at home late in the year

but if they lose to the Cowboys and Giants, then the point might be moot, they know dick4meal is going to retire so they might not have much to play for

so who knows

but I still think Cinncy will lose to someone they aren't suppose to based on the immaturity of their team......let downs are a bitch in the NFL after huge wins

[Hotrod]

It prolly comes down to if the chefs need a win or not. Who needs it more kind of thing.

[Mile High Shack]

Cinci went into Pittsburgh and got a win, i suspect they could do the same in KC.

if Big Ben didn't have a jacked up thumb, knee and was rusty as hell....and if Pitts oline was healthy

no way Cinncy beat them

I mean, I appreciate all the Cinncy love around here, but they are still a year or so away from scaring me, the immaturity of their team will be their downfall, they don't know how to handle success yet

[sirhcyennek81]

Every team in the NFL is nicked up. Cinci went into Pittsburgh, and pulled off a win. Roethlisberger didnt use his thumb as an excuse.

[Mile High Shack]

Every team in the NFL is nicked up. Cinci went into Pittsburgh, and pulled off a win. Roethlisberger didnt use his thumb as an excuse.

but having no left side of the oline sure contributed to them not being able to run against one of the worst rushing D's in the NFL though

do you want Cinncy to win or something?

[Hotrod]

Anybody else catch the Waffles lovers interview where he was crying about a dirty hit to his knee. While hes crying like a baby they show the viewers how his own Olineman tripped the player on purpose Ha!

[Elway 4 Life]

if Big Ben didn't have a jacked up thumb, knee and was rusty as hell....and if Pitts oline was healthy

no way Cinncy beat them

I mean, I appreciate all the Cinncy love around here, but they are still a year or so away from scaring me, the immaturity of their team will be their downfall, they don't know how to handle success yet

I dont want to play cincy in the playoffs. No way No how!

[Mile High Shack]

I dont want to play cincy in the playoffs. No way No how!

whether we are #2 or #3, we will probably be playing them

[Elway 4 Life]

whether we are #2 or #3, we will probably be playing them

I hope your wrong!

[Hotrod]

I dont want to play cincy in the playoffs. No way No how!

They just dont scare me. Maybe Im a fool but as long as were at home none of the possible playoff teams scare me. We go atleast as far as a home field schedule holds out.

[sirhcyennek81]

I would prefer to play the Bengals in denver then go to INDI and play the colts there. However, that is weeks away, and we have the ravens this week. Also, if there was no way playoff seeding could be affecting by a cinci win in KC, then yes, i want the bengals to beat the chiefs.

[Elway 4 Life]

They just dont scare me. Maybe Im a fool but as long as were at home none of the possible playoff teams scare me. We go atleast as far as a home field schedule holds out.

I just remember johnson abusing a healthy champ multiple times last year. They are better this year on offense. There defense doesnt scare me but that offense is ugly.

[sirhcyennek81]

I remember Bailey getting a pick by baiting palmer to throw at Johnson, too. That would be a good matchup. That is assuming the bengals would get on the field on offense. We have been playing playoff football since september.

[meangene]

The two potential AFC playoff teams I don't want to see are Indy and Cincy. I think we can beat Cincy at home but I'm not so sure on the road. Maybe the immaturity factor helps us there maybe not.

[Elway 4 Life]

I remember Bailey getting a pick by baiting palmer to throw at Johnson, too. That would be a good matchup. That is assuming the bengals would get on the field on offense. We have been playing playoff football since september.

We lost that game!

[sirhcyennek81]

so? that was last year.

[Elway 4 Life]

so? that was last year.

Just saying! We do not have a very good secondary. If we cant get pressure on manning or palmer they have the offensive weapons to murder us. I dont like our chances against either team.

[B-Love]

This time of the year is all ****ed up.

Normally my MO would be to root hard for the Cowboys this Sunday, but that could very well be the wrong thing.

We will likely need the Chiefs to play balls out against Cincinnati on New Years Day. If it gets down to New Years Day and Vermeil is out of it, he may easily field a team of scrubs, and Arrowhead will not be nearly as loud.

With KC's brutal schedule the next three weeks, I fear their last game will be meaningless and that would suck for us.

[eddie mac]

There's so many games that matter between now and week 17.

This is how I see it prior to week 17:

KC loses next 3, away Dallas, away NYG and home to SD
SD wins against Miami. loses to Colts, beats KC
DEN beats Ravens, Bills and Raiders
JAGS beat Colts, 49ers and Houston
CINCY win their next 3.
PITT lose at home to Bears, lose at Minn, so they're out of it then.

Thus going into the game in SD, Denver and Cincy are the only teams with anything to play for, the Chargers will rest their starters for their Wild Card game as they already have the 6th seed locked up and cannot advance to 5th.

[i4jelway7]

if Big Ben didn't have a jacked up thumb, knee and was rusty as hell....and if Pitts oline was healthy

no way Cinncy beat them

I mean, I appreciate all the Cinncy love around here, but they are still a year or so away from scaring me, the immaturity of their team will be their downfall, they don't know how to handle success yet


Cincy should scare everyone on this board, Denver has never played well against them and I wouldn't want to see Denver have to play them... even in Invesco..

[Hotrod]

There's so many games that matter between now and week 17.

This is how I see it prior to week 17:

KC loses next 3, away Dallas, away NYG and home to SD
SD wins against Miami. loses to Colts, beats KC
DEN beats Ravens, Bills and Raiders
JAGS beat Colts, 49ers and Houston
CINCY win their next 3.
PITT lose at home to Bears, lose at Minn, so they're out of it then.

Thus going into the game in SD, Denver and Cincy are the only teams with anything to play for, the Chargers will rest their starters for their Wild Card game as they already have the 6th seed locked up and cannot advance to 5th.

Lots of good stuff there but Im gonna disagree abit

KC does not lose 3 in a row
SD beats the colts who will be playing for nothing
Jags dont beat the colts
Pitt does not lose to to the bears or minn.

Other then that I agree ;D

[i4jelway7]

I just remember johnson abusing a healthy champ multiple times last year. They are better this year on offense. There defense doesnt scare me but that offense is ugly.

Cincy has one of the best O-lines give Palmer some time and he could eat our defense up.. ala Trent Green

[55CrushEm]

I just remember johnson abusing a healthy champ multiple times last year. They are better this year on offense. There defense doesnt scare me but that offense is ugly.

Just my opinion here.....but Johnson didn't "abuse" Champ last year.....I've pointed the following out several times on the ESPN board....

#1. One of Johnson's 50+ yard receptions was a BLATANT, yes BLATANT offensive pass interference.....even Madden and Michaels both said that it CLEARLY should have been called.

#2. The other 50+ yard reception....yes, Champ tripped. But did you notice that the ball was severely underthrown.....if Champ had stayed on his feet, he probably would have had a pick.

Take away those 2 "abnormal" plays, and Chad Johnson had a 50 yard, ho-hum performance. Hardly "abuse"......

Besides, this time it will hopefully be in Denver........Nope, Cincy doesn't scare me.

[Hotrod]

Just my opinion here.....but Johnson didn't "abuse" Champ last year.....I've pointed the following out several times on the ESPN board....

#1. One of Johnson's 50+ yard receptions was a BLATANT, yes BLATANT offensive pass interference.....even Madden and Michaels both said that it CLEARLY should have been called.

#2. The other 50+ yard reception....yes, Champ tripped. But did you notice that the ball was severely underthrown.....if Champ had stayed on his feet, he probably would have had a pick.

Take away those 2 "abnormal" plays, and Chad Johnson had a 50 yard, ho-hum performance. Hardly "abuse"......

Besides, this time it will hopefully be in Denver........Nope, Cincy doesn't scare me.

I only have one question....why would you waste a great post like this on the Espin boards???

[B-Love]

I think KC beats Dallas.

[55CrushEm]

I only have one question....why would you waste a great post like this on the Espin boards???

As you can see, I'm fairly new to the Mane.....been posting on ESPN for a couple of years.....

The trolling has just become too much to handle over there....

[terry251973]

cincy isnt gonna go into kc and score 30 pts if its like 10 degrees or so,maybe even sum snow.high scoring teams dont do well out in cold elements,for example indy colts.

[Mile High Shack]

Cincy has one of the best O-lines give Palmer some time and he could eat our defense up.. ala Trent Green

based off one game last year you say Denver has never played Cinncy good?

what?

[Arkie]

Pittsburgh will win out, and both KC & SD will miss the playoffs.

[Blart]

If Cincy and Denver both finish 3-1, losing their final game, Cincy will get the #2 seed due to the tiebreaker.


Edit: Nevermind! http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=tiebreakers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2247741)

[broncofan2438]

screw cincy

[Hotrod]

quick question whos got the worst avatar Me, Blart or Alex ???

[Mile High Shack]

If Cincy and Denver both finish 3-1, losing their final game, Cincy will get the #2 seed due to the tiebreaker.

how do you figure?

right now we are #2

[i4jelway7]

based off one game last year you say Denver has never played Cinncy good?

what?


no I'm not basing it off the one game last year, Denver rarely plays cincy good, the games are always close and usually the Broncos find a way to win but it is hardly an ez game... I've gone to almost all the Broncos games when they have played the Bengals in Cincy and it is never an ez win for the Broncos.. and it often has been a loss...

[55CrushEm]

If Cincy and Denver both finish 3-1, losing their final game, Cincy will get the #2 seed due to the tiebreaker.

Actually, I believe Denver would.....all 4 of Cincy's losses in that case would be AFC losses.....Denver has 1 NFC loss....hence, a better AFC record.

[Blart]

Otherwise, the next three weeks will be important to win since the Tie breaker is conference games and they play two of three versus NFC
Last I checked Buffalo was AFC ;)

Actually, I believe Denver would.....all 4 of Cincy's losses in that case would be AFC losses.....Denver has 1 NFC loss....hence, a better AFC record.
I believe the tiebreaker is firstly division games, not conference. Correct me if I'm wrong. There is no way Cinci is going to lose to Cleveland, so If Broncos lose to SD or Oakland, they've lost the #2 seed.

EDIT: Nevermind, you're right. Division record is only for tie-breakers within the division.

[55CrushEm]

Last I checked Buffalo was AFC ;)



The tiebreaker is firstly division games, not conference. There is no way Cinci is going to lose to Cleveland, so If Broncos lose to SD or Oakland, they've lost the #2 seed.


Division records are meaningless when breaking a tie between 2 teams from DIFFERENT divisions.

[Hotrod]

Division records are meaningless when breaking a tie between 2 teams from DIFFERENT divisions.

Hey we dont use facts around here pal Ha!

[Mile High Shack]

no I'm not basing it off the one game last year, Denver rarely plays cincy good, the games are always close and usually the Broncos find a way to win but it is hardly an ez game... I've gone to almost all the Broncos games when they have played the Bengals in Cincy and it is never an ez win for the Broncos.. and it often has been a loss...

better re-check the 2003 game then

[Mediator12]

If Cincy and Denver both finish 3-1, losing their final game, Cincy will get the #2 seed due to the tiebreaker.

No they would not. Division record is only applicable for determining the division winner not as a tiebreaker for seeding. Both would have the same record but the first tie breaker is conference record and Denver lost an out of conference game Cinci would have lost four conference games. The next tie breaker is common opponents and both would be 2-1.

[Mile High Shack]

Division records are meaningless when breaking a tie between 2 teams from DIFFERENT divisions.

thank you

I believe he must've had a penis in his eye when he was posting that, he was busy and not thinking

[55CrushEm]

thank you

I believe he must've had a penis in his eye when he was posting that, he was busy and not thinking


:laugh: ugh!~

[Blart]

I edited my post right after I posted it but you guys are too quick.

Anyway, what is the earliest possiblity Broncos could clinch a playoff spot?

[Mediator12]

After three games if all three teams behind them win their three, two games if they all lose and Denver wins both.

[Blart]

Alright, and should Broncos and Cinci end with the same conference record, the tiebreaker about common opponents wouldn't apply, right? It says we'd need a minimum of 4 common teams.

[Mediator12]

Alright, and should Broncos and Cinci end with the same conference record, the tiebreaker about common opponents wouldn't apply, right? It says we'd need a minimum of 4 common teams.

Yep, and then it goes to strength of victory in which the broncos Lead by a large margin with the same records for both teams schedules down the stretch. Which means they have to hope for Denver to stumble and win with an outright better record.

[Blart]

Yep, and then it goes to strength of victory in which the broncos Lead by a large margin with the same records for both teams schedules down the stretch. Which means they have to hope for Denver to stumble and win with an outright better record.
I didn't realize Cinci had so many close games, things are looking up. Broncos should be able to lose one more and still be alright, assuming KC would do our dirty work.

[i4jelway7]

better re-check the 2003 game then


that is just one game.. check the overall record vs. Cincinnati. (I would give you the stats but I can't seem to find the overall records vs. certain teams, if anyone has a link for that kind of stat please post it) and the final score does not give an accurate picture of the game itself... look closer.. like I said before the games against Cincy are not EZ... regardless of the final score

[Mile High Shack]

that is just one game.. check the overall record vs. Cincinnati.. and the final score does not give an accurate picture of the game itself... look closer.. like I said before the games against Cincy are not EZ... regardless of the final score

if you go back from the beginning of the AFC sure, I guess you could say that

but this team compared to last year or even 2 years ago isn't the same team

and this team sure as hell isn't the same team that gave Corey Dillon the rushing record

your logic is flawed

[i4jelway7]

if you go back from the beginning of the AFC sure, I guess you could say that

but this team compared to last year or even 2 years ago isn't the same team

and this team sure as hell isn't the same team that gave Corey Dillon the rushing record

your logic is flawed


it doesn't matter who has who on what team.. when Denver plays Cincy it is 8x out of 10 a dogfight... it's the same way with Indy vs. Jax.. and Saints vs. Falcons

[Elway 4 Life]

based off one game last year you say Denver has never played Cinncy good?

what?

I guess you dont remember all those games that dillon had against us. He even set a record one year. It's not just one game.

[broncofan2438]

cincy is only good if johnsen is playing

[Mile High Shack]

I guess you dont remember all those games that dillon had against us. He even set a record one year. It's not just one game.

lord

2 TOTALLy different teams

[sirhcyennek81]

Cinci is a good team...that is young. all of this is new for them, they could go far, or they could get blown out in the wc round. We wont see cinci at all until possibly the postseason, so lets all mock the ravens, a team we actually play, instead of hypothesizing (sp) about one we could potentially play.

[Elway 4 Life]

lord

2 TOTALLy different teams

Your right they are better now. I'm with ya buddy not against ya. I'm just saying that cincy will give us hell.

[Hogan11]

Your right they are better now. I'm with ya buddy not against ya. I'm just saying that cincy will give us hell.

I don't fear the Brat Pack at home, if things shake out that way.

I just don't see them stumbling till KC making it imparative that Denver takes care of business in the games that it should.....another game like the Raiders game last year in the snow is what I fear in the meantime....Denver must not falter the next three weeks.

[orange 4 life]

I don't fear the Brat Pack at home, if things shake out that way.

I just don't see them stumbling till KC making it imparative that Denver takes care of business in the games that it should.....another game like the Raiders game last year in the snow is what I fear in the meantime....Denver must not falter the next three weeks.

i couldnt agree more my friend.

i sure wish we played san diego AFTER kc and cinci the final week.

also, its not likely, but ill continue to hope cinci drops one here in the next few weeks.
considering theyre in unfamiliar territory, its not out of the realm of reason.
its a bit of a stretch, but if kc, san diego, and cinci all lost one of the next three and we take care of bus the game at san diego wont mean a thing.
man that would be nice to not have to worry about that game.

jake

ps- on another note, i saw bob weir with his band "ratdog" last week, and man, i think even you wouldve been impressed!! TONS of energy and ridiculously tight musically as well as lyrically.
he played a sequence of tequila> silvio (dylan song)> tequila >silvio > tequila> slivio that was amazing.
reverted back to tequila after each verse of silvio and made the transitions flawlessly. very impressive.

[Hogan11]

i couldnt agree more my friend.

i sure wish we played san diego AFTER kc and cinci the final week.

also, its not likely, but ill continue to hope cinci drops one here in the next few weeks.
considering theyre in unfamiliar territory, its not out of the realm of reason.
its a bit of a stretch, but if kc, san diego, and cinci all lost one of the next three and we take care of bus the game at san diego wont mean a thing.
man that would be nice to not have to worry about that game.

Oh I agree with ya Jake. Consider:

SD -Miami, @ Indy, @ KC, Den.....The Chargers will lose at least one of those games. I really don't consider them a major threat based on that brutal schedule at this point.

KC -@ Dallas, @ NYG, SD, Cinn - Again, I just don't see the Chiefs not dropping at least a game with the four they have left.

CINN - Clev, @ Det, Buffalo, @ KC - The Brat Pack having this easy a stretch schedule is a mild concern to me if Denver drops a game, although KC could beat them...but it's not something to really sweat unless our Boys drop one they shouldn't.

Having Cinncy go to Denver in the post season would be nice....having our Boys slap them around there would almost make my year.....almost. I sense a lot of fondness for Cinncy on this board, I'm not in that camp. I have little love for growing potential threats to where this team needs to go.

ps- on another note, i saw bob weir with his band "ratdog" last week, and man, i think even you wouldve been impressed!! TONS of energy and ridiculously tight musically as well as lyrically.
he played a sequence of tequila> silvio (dylan song)> tequila >silvio > tequila that was amazing.
reverted back to tequila after each verse of silvio and made the transitions flawlessly. very impressive.

Silvio eh? Hmmm.....well, I've never been a fan of Weir, but to each their own. Glad you liked the show.

[orange 4 life]

Silvio eh? Hmmm.....well, I've never been a fan of Weir, but to each their own. Glad you liked the show.

i know youre not, but i was thinking even you would appreciate the creativity there.
plus, he's playing really smooth rythm guitar, and he has a young energetic band around him.
i think you'd be surprised.

its a grateful dead STYLE show, but its MUCH more upbeat.

[sirhcyennek81]

I dont see Cinci as a threat...yet. Year or 2 away, their defense is not anywhere close to were Lewis wants it to be.

[Elway 4 Life]

I dont see Cinci as a threat...yet. Year or 2 away, their defense is not anywhere close to were Lewis wants it to be.

Defense isnt all that big a deal when you score 30+ points a game.

[Hogan11]

I dont see Cinci as a threat...yet. Year or 2 away, their defense is not anywhere close to were Lewis wants it to be.

It's not their D that worries me.

[sirhcyennek81]

If their defense, say, meets a team with a dominant run game, in a hostile environment, the cinci offense will not see the field all that much.

[BroncoBuff]

Kind of weird when you look at the similarities of our remaining schedules.....

1. Both teams are 9-3 fighting for the #2 seed and a bye.....

2. Both teams next 3 games are against teams that are all currently 4-8....and the home and away venue is the same. (Denver: Baltimore, @ Buff, Oakland......Cincy: Cleveland, @ Detroit, Buffalo)

3. Both teams final game is a road game against an 8-4 AFC West team (Denver: @ SD........Cincy: @ KC)
That's pretty cool - very observant. I have that same sickness. ^5

[Arkie]

These are the recent outcomes of the Denver/Cincy series...

2004: lost 10-23
2003: won 30-10 (Dillon 34 yards)
2000: lost 21-31 (Dillon 278 yards)
1998: won 33-26
1997: won 38-20
1996: won 14-10

[Blart]

These are the recent outcomes of the Denver/Cincy series...

2004: lost 10-23
2003: won 30-10 (Dillon 34 yards)
2000: lost 21-31 (Dillon 278 yards)
1998: won 33-26
1997: won 38-20
1996: won 14-10

Another myth crushed.

[i4jelway7]

Another myth crushed.


not exactly... look closer, only 2 decisive victories, 2 losses, and the rest were dogfights and unless you watched the games you wouldn't know exactly how tough they were