Tatum Bell = CAN he carry the load in '06???

[Szarka33]

Next year Anderson is a year older ...WE could sign a guy like Kevan Barlow to split the load with Bell...Shanny called him the best back in the '01 draft...he is a different style from Bell...a little more physical... like MA.

BUT.....WE MAY HAVE THE ANSWER HERE!!

I think we need to see if #26 can carry it CONSISTENTLY carry-to-carry from the 1st carry to his 20th....but the only way to find out is to feed him and let him roll with it.

This weekend is a good test....a great tackling team like Baltimore. We gave Tatum the start last year vs. Miami and he rolled with it....until he got injured.


I have faith in Bell...I know we love here on The Mane and Shanny likes him too. I think it's time to see what Bell can really do.

We can't hold this guy back. He has potential to do a lot of damage.


Go Tatum!!!!!!!

[Bronco LB 59]

Tatum wants to be THE GUY. Check out this article:

http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/broncos/article/0,1713,BDC_2453_4298930,00.html

You don't want Barlow. Fullback Fred Beasley questioned his work ethic and committment to football last season. Beasley is as much of a hard hat guy you will find in the NFL.

Plus, I know a friend who manages a restaurant/bar in the Bay Area and he tells me Barlow is always in there during practice days getting wasted. He says Barlow has no appreciation for his job whatsoever.

As soon as Barlow got the fat contract after the 2003 season, his production dropped off big time. A majority of 49ers fans are fed up with his act and want more of Frank Gore. If you don't believe me, go check out a Niner board.

[Szarka33]

You don't want Barlow. Fullback Fred Beasley questioned his work ethic and committment to football last season. Beasley is as much of a hard hat guy you will find in the NFL.

Plus, I know a friend who manages a restaurant/bar in the Bay Area and he tells me Barlow is always in there during practice days getting wasted. He says Barlow has no appreciation for his job whatsoever.

As soon as Barlow got the fat contract after the 2003 season, his production dropped off big time. A majority of 49ers fans are fed up with his act and want more of Frank Gore. If you don't believe me, go check out a Niner message board. I had a feeling Barlow put HIMSELF in the Hall of Fame before he even had a good season in his career. He passes the eyeball test...but he has been a disappointment...but maybe Shanny could turn him around....who knows???

I am a big fan of Bell and I like what he does. Sure he gets a lot of 2 yard gains and can't break many tackles....but he more then makes up for it with some long runs. He is a threat every carry and he is tough. He is fragile...but we must run him out in space and keep him away from all those big hits.

BTW, from what I heard, Barlow and Beasley get along now. I'm not saying bring him in...but maybe looka t him and see what he could do.

[Means20]

I say ride the two back system as long as you can. Why not? Both Anderson and Bell seem to be a little on the fragile side so it makes perfect sense to me. I'd like to here why a "featured" back system is better?

[Sarcastro]

I say give Tater the carries. He is one tough, fragile guy.

[FantomForce]

Give Tater the dam$ ball

[maven]

Draft Lendale White.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Resign Dayne, Draft Michael Bush in the 3rd and let the four of them compete. Bush is that big power back everyone wants. Bell has found his place with the coaches for now and it won't change before next year unless MA gets hurt

[sirhcyennek81]

I dont think it matters who starts in the system, at some point every back plays, and because none of the three are the same, it throws the defense off. Look at the chiefs game last week, anderson and dayne pounding the middle, put Tatum in, he got 30 yards on 3 carries. I think he does need to touch the ball more.

[fontaine]

I'm not saying Bell should be the lead back but he HAS to get more carries in the game. In almost every single game Bell has a lot more burst and speed through traffic.

Anderson is a pounder and yes, plays a very important role in the offense, especially, when we're sitting on a lead. But when the game is close, you need Bell's speed and agility to open things up in the running game and come up with big plays. That's something Anderson can't do as often.

Also, the coaches need to find a way to get Jeb and Kyle Johnson more involved in the passing game and do it early. I've noticed that in the past few games there is even more of an effort from defenses to key against the run. We're facing more defenders in the box and less nickle and dime since Lelie hasn't been anything other than a gimmick player and to be totally honest we have NO 3rd WR. We can't honestly stretch out defenses with a three WR because no one takes Lelie/Devoe/etc seriously in the short/intermediate area. That means we have to use Rod and Jeb as the primary WRs with Kyle or the RB as the checkdown.

The next few weeks is more important for Plummer than any other time because we need the passing game to take some pressure off of defenders constantly stacking up in the box.

[Traveler]

Unless Denver somehow trades up and snaps Reggie Bush (wishful thinking) our 3 headed monster is just fine. That said, just give Tatum the damn ball!

[Gcver2ver3]

Unless Denver somehow trades up and snaps Reggie Bush (wishful thinking) our 3 headed monster is just fine. That said, just give Tatum the damn ball!



You beat me to it......I'll say it anyway


Let's give up both 1st rounders for Bush......he's special

[Dukes]

You beat me to it......I'll say it anyway


Let's give up both 1st rounders for Bush......he's special

I wish. He'd run for 1700 yds next year under our system

[ozomulsion]

Jesus Christ! We're not getting Bush. End of story. I guess some folks can dream aloud. Reggie is the best RB in the draft. Reggie is the best receiver in the draft. We don't even utilize our RBs into the passing game. Reguardless, we won't get him. Pray for DeAngelo Williams. 90% chance we don't get him either. That's a better chance than getting Bush.

[Gcver2ver3]

I wish. He'd run for 1700 yds next year under our system



and catch for 900 yards....

[broncofan2438]

just run the damn ball

[Dukes]

Jesus Christ! We're not getting Bush. End of story. I guess some folks can dream aloud. Reggie is the best RB in the draft. Reggie is the best receiver in the draft. We don't even utilize our RBs into the passing game. Reguardless, we won't get him. Pray for DeAngelo Williams. 90% chance we don't get him either. That's a better chance than getting Bush.

I'm leaving a .5% chance we get Bush. Its just wishfull thinking. Although our two draft picks could be used to go to the 1st overall pick

[Old Dude]

I don't think Tatum can handle it alone. He gets banged up too easily. Ribs, sternum, ankle ...

It's been that way since his first day in camp, and I don't see it changing as he gets older. He's a Deuce Staley clone.

[Gcver2ver3]

We're not getting Bush. End of story. I guess some folks can dream aloud.



yes we can....and will.....

but you're right...it ain't gonna happen :unamused:

[sirhcyennek81]

Least we stopped the trade everything for Leinhart threads. I would rather have Brady Quinn.

[KansasBronco]

Our next running back will come via the draft next year. Every year we draft a running back. We missed for the one of the first times with Clarett this year, but we'll draft one at some point during the draft. We have a lot of picks next year.

[sirhcyennek81]

we didnt miss with clarett. it really says something when a back doesnt succeed here of all places.

[Dagmar]

yes we can....and will.....

but you're right...it ain't gonna happen :unamused:

It'd be so FREAKIN' sweet though wouldn't it?

Houston have holes all over their team, maybe they'd take our 2 1st rounders and a 3rd and 5th?

I know I know.

:drown:

[Dukes]

It'd be so FREAKIN' sweet though wouldn't it?

Houston have holes all over their team, maybe they'd take our 2 1st rounders and a 3rd and 5th?

I know I know.

:drown:

Oh how sweet that would be but..... :pigsfly:

[sirhcyennek81]

so repeat a ditka and give away our whole draft for a running back?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

so repeat a ditka and give away our whole draft for a running back?


Worked out well didn't it.

:cuss:

[BroncoBuff]

WE could sign a guy like Kevan Barlow to split the load with Bell...
Give Tater the dam$ ball
You can say that again . . . and again and again and again and again and again....

Actually, I'm probably the biggest Tatum Bell fan in existence. Tatum won the Redskins game single-handedly with 2 long touchdown runs - one on a 4th down gamble with a linebacker in his face. I firmly believe he is one of the 10 most explosive game-changing players in the league today:

1. Despite limited action, he was on pace for 1000
2. He LEADS THE NFL in average per carry
3. He actually RAISED that average Sunday with his paltry 5 carries
4. He LEADS THE NFL in runs over 30 yards
5. Dayne and Anderson had 24 carries Sunday between them. Tatum had 5 - but led the team in rushing!

This Shanny/Tatum doghouse stuff is hard to fathom. Demoting Tatum to 3rd string is NOT the action of a sound mind. I love the Marine, but KCs was his second dismal rushing game in a row - Sammy Winder-like dismal. And yet he was out there in 'crunch time.' Why?

So I say NO to any new RBs ... I'm thinking this: So much has been made of how Tatum's explosions are based in part on his "change of pace" after defenses get used to MA. Well, MA historically is a 1st half workhorse . . . it seems his best plays have always come in 1st halfs (screen vs. KC Sunday, Indy in pre-season, KC Monday nighter).

SO . . . why not go with MA for 3 quarters . . . then a different change of pace: a fresh, clean-jerseyed Ron Dayne to PUMMEL THE DEFENSE!

All the while, Tatum sprinkles in his 15 explosive carries.

SO, new guy Skarka33, I guess my answer is . . . we don't need any new running backs - especially Kevan Barlow! I've heard and read some bad things about Barlow here and there - personal lifestyle stuff.

[ludo21]

I say give Tater the carries. He is one tough, fragile guy.



ROFL!

i caught that as well. :~ohyah!:


I say give Tatum a CHANCE to shine. We havent let him try, he is best coming in later in the game, but he is a RB so he does WANT the rock.

Also Dayne is best used with 15 or more carries as well.


edit: Hey BB, he has been here longer than you. LOL

Actaully lets just run the ball every down :dummy:

[sirhcyennek81]

simple solution. run the ball 45 times a game, each one gets 15 carries.

[Gcver2ver3]

It'd be so FREAKIN' sweet though wouldn't it?

Houston have holes all over their team, maybe they'd take our 2 1st rounders and a 3rd and 5th?

I know I know.

:drown:



somebody make this guy the Broncos new GM.....:thumbs: :Broncos:

[DBroncos4life]

Cedric Cobbs is our dark horse. Nyah!

[BroncoBuff]

edit: Hey BB, he has been here longer than you. LOL


Actually I was talking about Szarka33, not Sarcastro.

But I was never much fer cypherin' anyhow - :unamused:

[elsid13]

simple solution. run the ball 45 times a game, each one gets 15 carries.


I guess Marty or Cowher just became Denver's OC? sweeet

[broncosteven]

Did anyone see TB get leveled in the KFC game trying to pick up a blitz? I think he needs to learn to block & catch before Shanny will give him the ball 90% of the time. I also think to a lesser extent that he is more fragile than the other backs.

That said MA is slow to the hole this year Dayne is not in there enough to get a good rythm & Shanny is not establishing/sticking with the run game late in the Gints & KFC games. But what do I know...Maybe Shanny will email me & tell me how to build out my new Data center & get approval for 6 new 6513 Cisco switches with redundant 720 sups & accessories...

[dbroncos31]

ok...here's the solution, we need to give mike the ball 15 times throughout the first three quarters, with shots of bell sprinkled in. so for the first 3 quarters, anderson gets like 15, and bell gets 10, then give it to dayne 10 times to pound the weary defense in the 4th, with a couple bell runs to exploit the tired D...so we have
Anderson 15-50-1
Bell 13-99-1
Dayne 10-50
may seem like a lot of carries, but we want to limit the passing game anyway...so jake would be like 19-24-224-2-0
and we would win 34-21

[yavoon]

no, tho if we made him try he'd prolly get 12-1300 yards.

if he didnt break that is

[ludo21]

Actually I was talking about Szarka33, not Sarcastro.

But I was never much fer cypherin' anyhow - :unamused:


i know, he joined Mar 2005, you Aug 2005. :gossip:


I think the notion of running every down has passed.:o

[ro_50]

Someone wants Kevin Barlow here? Geez.

I cant believe I'm reading that, I had to rub my eyes and read that again.

BTW, Shanny doesnt draft running backs in the first round.

And Denver is not getting Bush, hell, we have a better chance to get George W than Reggie in the draft.

[elsid13]

Someone wants Kevin Barlow here? Geez.

I cant believe I'm reading that, I had to rub my eyes and read that again.

BTW, Shanny doesnt draft running backs in the first round.

And Denver is not getting Bush, hell, we have a better chance to get George W than Reggie in the draft.

don't forget the Barlow was high on this coaching staff radar the year he was drafted. A player that fat, lazy and has problem with the fans, sound like someone else that we picked up this year from Cleveland.

[JAPS]

No, Bell can't carry the load if you ask me. Then again, I amn't the coach either.

For what it's worth, I like Brian Calhoun from wisconsin in the draft. He will be a very worthy 2'nd or 3'rd rounder

[Broncoman13]

Call me crazy... I say we send a 4th round pick to the Phins for Ricky Williams. He's a very similar back to MA, except a little faster. He'll put the weight back on and w/Ron Dayne and Tatum Bell you can risk the dissaster for reward. I know this won't be a popular choice, but I could go for some Ricky Fu in Orange in Blue!

[ozomulsion]

Call me crazy... I say we send a 4th round pick to the Phins for Ricky Williams. He's a very similar back to MA, except a little faster. He'll put the weight back on and w/Ron Dayne and Tatum Bell you can risk the dissaster for reward. I know this won't be a popular choice, but I could go for some Ricky Fu in Orange in Blue!
You are out of your ****ing mind. :) Seriously

[Broncoman13]

No, Bell can't carry the load if you ask me. Then again, I amn't the coach either.

For what it's worth, I like Brian Calhoun from wisconsin in the draft. He will be a very worthy 2'nd or 3'rd rounder


He'd be a great back for a team like Philly, NY Giants, or even Oakland. Those teams love to throw the ball and can get by with a smaller back. Brian Calhoun is a very good back, but his size is limited. He'll likely be successful but he has the makings of a third down back.

If you want to draft someone you go with USC's White. He's powerful but oft knicked up.

[Play2win]

Call me crazy... I say we send a 4th round pick to the Phins for Ricky Williams. He's a very similar back to MA, except a little faster. He'll put the weight back on and w/Ron Dayne and Tatum Bell you can risk the dissaster for reward. I know this won't be a popular choice, but I could go for some Ricky Fu in Orange in Blue!
I would have no problem with that AT ALL. :thumbsup:

[Broncoman13]

You are out of your ****ing mind. :)

You obviously have been talking to my wife!!! Stay away rat bastage!

[ozomulsion]

You obviously have been talking to my wife!!! Stay away rat bastage!

Ha!

[Broncoman13]

Ha!

[BroncoBuff]

i know, he joined Mar 2005, you Aug 2005. :gossip:


I think the notion of running every down has passed.:o
Wow, you're right! How about that? Szarka33 has been around nine months, but has just 12 posts. A hearty 1-point-0-2 posts per . . . MONTH!

I don't know about you, ludo, but I'm not sure I trust a poster who has a life! :stuck:

Now me, for example. I've been around FOUR months and have 900 posts. Now THAT'S more like it!

[OrangeShadow]

Maybe hes fragile because he never get a lot of carries?

[DBroncos4life]

Warrick Dunn has 6 season's with 220 or more carries per season. I find it odd that the bigger back in their system isn't getting the bulk of the carries like our system. I don't think our systems are that far off eachother either. To me its not the fact the he can't hold up its the fact that he isn't the best blocker. My problem is if we need yards and we are going to run then why isn't he in. When it is 4 and 1 Bell should have been in the game. MA ****ed that up because he missed the hole. Maybe Bell would have done the samething but to me that was the perfect time to run the play that we scored on SD with, I think we did it to Wash too.

[Szarka33]

Wow, you're right! How about that? Szarka33 has been around nine months, but has just 12 posts. A hearty 1-point-0-2 posts per . . . MONTH!

I don't know about you, ludo, but I'm not sure I trust a poster who has a life! :stuck:

Now me, for example. I've been around FOUR months and have 900 posts. Now THAT'S more like it!
I read on here all of the time...most of my questions are answered before I need to post them....

Just cuz I have a low post count doesn't mean I'm not on here a lot.

[ozomulsion]

I read on here all of the time...most of my questions are answered before I need to post them....

Just cuz I have a low post count doesn't mean I'm not on here a lot.
Read the post again. He was making fun of himself.

[BroncoBuff]

Read the post again. He was making fun of himself.
Wait . . .

WHO was making fun of me?! I"LL KICK HIS ASS!!!!

[elsid13]

Wait . . .

WHO was making fun of me?! I"LL KICK HIS ASS!!!!


I got your back, time for good old fashion beat down. TIME TO GO IKE TURNER ON HIS BUTT.

[Szarka33]

Bell should be better next week in Bufalo as they play the 2nd worst run defence in the NFL.

[Mile High Shack]

Bell might have to start carrying the load full time

It's obvious something is wrong with Anderson, as Dayne was in the game in the 2nd half more than Anderson even

[Szarka33]

GOOD. I want to see what Tatum can do full time.

[bendog]

He got 16 carries, I think. And, it seemed to me that the blown assignment to pick up A. Thomas, the gigantic linebacker, was on Johnson, not Bell.

[sippybrew]

Tatum is not tough enough to take the full load especially vs. a team that stacks the box. We should have run all over Baltimore and even with Tatum getting a large share of the carries he was not able to do anything. We need power running up the middle and Tatum just is not that great running up the gut. He is awesome when he get around the edge and into the open feild but I have not been that impressed with him finding the holes and grinding out the tough yards. He is a great spark but I dont think he is gonna be the back that carrries the entire run game.

3 and goal at the 1. Do you give it to Tatum or Anderson? I give it to Anderson everytime.

[bendog]

I don't know. I was just dredging up the thread. This and another had posters calling for tAter to get 20 touches. He didn't yet, but he did play well and get a few more.

[NaptownChief]

Is Bell still better than Larry Johnson?

[Smiling Assassin27]

Bell ran like a p*ssy yesterday, IMO. Defenders would blow in his general direction and he'd go down. He has hands of stone as well. Granted, he's still relatively new so he gets a pass on that. Still, Anderson is wearing down and it'd be nice to have one elite guy.

[broncosteven]

Is Bell still better than Larry Johnson?


Who is on the better TEAM?

Time will tell who is the better back. LJ is having a great year but Denver is winning games by rotating backs. LJ has more touches but there is no depth behind him, if he goes down so does the ground game for Cheefs.

[ozomulsion]

Tatum is not tough enough to take the full load especially vs. a team that stacks the box. We should have run all over Baltimore and even with Tatum getting a large share of the carries he was not able to do anything. We need power running up the middle and Tatum just is not that great running up the gut. He is awesome when he get around the edge and into the open feild but I have not been that impressed with him finding the holes and grinding out the tough yards. He is a great spark but I dont think he is gonna be the back that carrries the entire run game.

3 and goal at the 1. Do you give it to Tatum or Anderson? I give it to Anderson everytime.

All of this goes to show, you don't know what the **** you're talking about.

[-Slap-]

Tatum wants to be THE GUY. Check out this article:

http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/broncos/article/0,1713,BDC_2453_4298930,00.html

You don't want Barlow. Fullback Fred Beasley questioned his work ethic and committment to football last season. Beasley is as much of a hard hat guy you will find in the NFL.

Plus, I know a friend who manages a restaurant/bar in the Bay Area and he tells me Barlow is always in there during practice days getting wasted. He says Barlow has no appreciation for his job whatsoever.

As soon as Barlow got the fat contract after the 2003 season, his production dropped off big time. A majority of 49ers fans are fed up with his act and want more of Frank Gore. If you don't believe me, go check out a Niner board.

Barlow and Beasley have also had at least a couple actual fistfights over the last three years. How many times have you heard about a running back throwing hands with his fullback?

[-Slap-]

Call me crazy... I say we send a 4th round pick to the Phins for Ricky Williams. He's a very similar back to MA, except a little faster. He'll put the weight back on and w/Ron Dayne and Tatum Bell you can risk the dissaster for reward. I know this won't be a popular choice, but I could go for some Ricky Fu in Orange in Blue!
I would take him for the right price.

[bendog]

Barlow and Beasley have also had at least a couple actual fistfights over the last three years. How many times have you heard about a running back throwing hands with his fullback?
I surely liked it when Lorenzo Neal busted Mario Bates jaw for being a pussy. Of course nutty Jim Mora kept bates and traded Neal.

[-Slap-]

I surely liked it when Lorenzo Neal busted Mario Bates jaw for being a p***Y. Of course nutty Jim Mora kept bates and traded Neal.
Oh, yeah! Thanks for reminding me of that one.......:)

[NaptownChief]

Who is on the better TEAM?

Time will tell who is the better back. LJ is having a great year but Denver is winning games by rotating backs. LJ has more touches but there is no depth behind him, if he goes down so does the ground game for Cheefs.


Who cares who is on the better team. One has proven to be a big play guy combined with the ability to be a workhorse inside the tackles and out. While the other has proven to only be a gimpy big playmaker outside the tackles that can't carry the load by his coaches own admission. Bell is going to have to show a lot more than busting the occassional Trung Candidate before he is any where close to being worthy of being in the same world as LJ. The fact his coach is afraid to give him more than 15 or so touches doesn't bode well for that to happen any time soon.

[Mile High Shack]

Who cares who is on the better team. One has proven to be a big play guy combined with the ability to be a workhorse inside the tackles and out. While the other has proven to only be a gimpy big playmaker outside the tackles that can't carry the load by his coaches own admission. Bell is going to have to show a lot more than busting the occassional Trung Candidate before he is any where close to being worthy of being in the same world as LJ. The fact his coach is afraid to give him more than 15 or so touches doesn't bode well for that to happen any time soon.

at least Bell and LJ pass block about the same
;)

[bendog]

blitz. roflmao. nappy I took you off ignore just for today. you rock! scott fujita!

[BigPlayShay]

I honestly think that one of them needs to carry the ball 20+ times a game, and I prefer it to be Bell. I think the rotation is starting to frustrate them all. After Bell had that 18 yard run on the draw they showed a close up of him looking toward the sidelines. He was getting subbed out and you could tell he was pissed. He was motioning to the sidelines to leave whomever they subbed in on the sidelines. The rotation has to be bugging them all.

[maven]

There is always a chance of possibly getting Reggie Bush. It's just whether you want to pay the hefty price.

[maven]

Who cares who is on the better team. One has proven to be a big play guy combined with the ability to be a workhorse inside the tackles and out. While the other has proven to only be a gimpy big playmaker outside the tackles that can't carry the load by his coaches own admission. Bell is going to have to show a lot more than busting the occassional Trung Candidate before he is any where close to being worthy of being in the same world as LJ. The fact his coach is afraid to give him more than 15 or so touches doesn't bode well for that to happen any time soon.

Trung Candidate? LOL Damn you're stupid.

[NaptownChief]

Trung Candidate? LOL Damn you're stupid.


Yeah real stupid...You would have to be nuts to compare a couple of fragile high draft pick speed guys that can't carry the load.


Dung's 2001 season that put him on the map looks a lot like Tater's career to date:
G Att Yds Avg TD's
2001 ram | 16 | 78 441 5.7 6


2004 den | 14 | 75 396 5.3 3

2005 den | 11 | 111 686 6.2 5

[-Slap-]

Yeah real stupid...You would have to be nuts to compare a couple of fragile high draft pick speed guys that can't carry the load.


Dung's 2001 season that put him on the map looks a lot like Tater's career to date:
G Att Yds Avg TD's
2001 ram | 16 | 78 441 5.7 6


2004 den | 14 | 75 396 5.3 3

2005 den | 11 | 111 686 6.2 5

How about a little context? Any running back lining up as the starter for a couple games in the 2001 St Louis Rams offense was going to put up numbers. That was one of the most prolific offenses in history. Canidate did almost all his damage in two games.

[NaptownChief]

How about a little context? Any running back lining up as the starter for a couple games in the 2001 St Louis Rams offense was going to put up numbers. That was one of the most prolific offenses in history. Canidate did almost all his damage in two games.


Exactly...which makes the comparison that much better as the Denver system does the same thing.

[-Slap-]

Exactly...which makes the comparison that much better as the Denver system does the same thing.
Wrong. Bell has never been given the opportunity to play a full game as a starter, the way Trung was when Marshall took a couple weeks off. The following season, the Rams only gave him 17 carries and he was healthy all year. Trung's YPC dropped precipitously, from 5.7 to 2.8.

Bell's YPC remains very high, in more then double the carries, over two seasons. Canidate's entire career consisted of two starts.

I assume you're fishing here, because I doubt you really believe this comparison.

[NaptownChief]

I assume you're fishing here, because I doubt you really believe this comparison.



I think it is an excellent comparision as both players look very similar in style, speed, size and durability. The fact they were/are in systems that have been plug and play makes it all the more so. The Rams system made Larmar Gordon's, Greg Hill's, Candidates all look really good just like the O.Gary's, R.Droughns, Anderson's, Griffins etc.etc.

When all said and done I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if we look back and find the comparison to be dead on in a couple years. Anything is possible and I am certainly not saying Bell is a worthless bum by any means but at this point in his career with what he has proven it has followed a similar path to that of Candidate.

[maven]

I assume you're fishing here, because I doubt you really believe this comparison.

He is fishing for an attempt to ridicule a Bronco. I cannot believe an idiot Chief fan would bring out the comparison stats. I take it back, he did.

[bendog]

Well fishing is about all nappy can look forward to for the next few months, so who can really blame him.

But IF comparisons were made, Tater don't look too bad

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492889

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396164

But tater needs to add about 10 pounds to really be a feature back, and even then 20 carries might be his top end. Nothing wrong with that. In fact it makes a lot of sense to have a Leory Hoard type guy to take the hits on 3rd and 1.

[maven]

But tater needs to add about 10 pounds to really be a feature back, and even then 20 carries might be his top end. Nothing wrong with that. In fact it makes a lot of sense to have a Leory Hoard type guy to take the hits on 3rd and 1.

Tater has the size at 5'11 & 213lbs. He just needs to block better and improve his receiving skills.

[yavoon]

Well fishing is about all nappy can look forward to for the next few months, so who can really blame him.

But IF comparisons were made, Tater don't look too bad

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492889

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396164

But tater needs to add about 10 pounds to really be a feature back, and even then 20 carries might be his top end. Nothing wrong with that. In fact it makes a lot of sense to have a Leory Hoard type guy to take the hits on 3rd and 1.

I like a good back in on 3rd and 1. especially w/ the broncos. when portis was here third and 1 was dangerous cuz the other team would try to play run heavy but they knew if portis saw that hole that he could go house and they just went from giving up a third down to giving up a touchdown.

[-Slap-]

I think it is an excellent comparision as both players look very similar in style, speed, size and durability. The fact they were/are in systems that have been plug and play makes it all the more so. The Rams system made Larmar Gordon's, Greg Hill's, Candidates all look really good just like the O.Gary's, R.Droughns, Anderson's, Griffins etc.etc.
Except, Lamar Gordon's stats with the Rams were very pedestrian and Greg Hill played two games for them in 1998, while Faulk was still in Indy and Warner was still riding the bench.

Your facts are as faulty as your premise.

[meangene]

Going in to the offseason, one position I thought would be a position of strenth was RB. But, I'm beginning to think that what we have is a bunch of good backs but no feature back. Unless someone steps up in the next several weeks, we need to look seriously at the RB position. It looks like Tatum is going to be getting more carries based on yesterday and we'll see how he does in the weeks to come. I was not impressed yesterday but it was only one game and the whole team looked flat. IMO Portis was the only franchise back we have had since TD. We can only be effective to a point without a top flight back in our offense. The lack of investment on the offensive side of the ball is showing. We have put ourselves in a good position for this upcoming draft and it will be critical that we take full advantage of it.

[NaptownChief]

Your facts are as faulty as your premise.


Well my premise is that so far Bell has shown he is a non-durable speed guy that doesn't block well nor is he much as a receiver. What have you seen to this point that makes you confident in saying he has proven to be much more than Dung Candidate after a couple years in his career?

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Well my premise is that so far Bell has shown he is a non-durable speed guy that doesn't block well nor is he much as a receiver. What have you seen to this point that makes you confident in saying he has proven to be much more than Dung Candidate after a couple years in his career?
Bell has been a key component of a RBBC that has helped his team to the second best record in football.

Trung had two big games in 2001.

[broncosteven]

Who cares who is on the better team. One has proven to be a big play guy combined with the ability to be a workhorse inside the tackles and out. While the other has proven to only be a gimpy big playmaker outside the tackles that can't carry the load by his coaches own admission. Bell is going to have to show a lot more than busting the occassional Trung Candidate before he is any where close to being worthy of being in the same world as LJ. The fact his coach is afraid to give him more than 15 or so touches doesn't bode well for that to happen any time soon.


I forgot you would rather have the stats than a playoff birth & a shot a title. LJ has had great stats at Dallas & even Buff but they didn't win those games. TB needs to get the ball more but we cannot compare the backs if one gets 99.5% of the carries & the other only gets 33.333333% now can we.

[bendog]

nappy is a bitch.

[sirhcyennek81]

Bell needs to add some weight, like TD did. Even a part time role, man has nearly 800 yards.

[NaptownChief]

TB needs to get the ball more but we cannot compare the backs if one gets 99.5% of the carries & the other only gets 33.333333% now can we.


You are absoultely correct that we can't or at least don't need to bother to compare the two as one can clearly carry the load while the other even has his coach on record saying he can't. There is no comparision.

[broncosteven]

You are absoultely correct that we can't or at least don't need to bother to compare the two as one can clearly carry the load while the other even has his coach on record saying he can't. There is no comparision.


Ok lets compare Shee Brown to either Tatum MA or Dayne you pick.

[bendog]

he's gained a lot more yards his first two years than diaper boy did, but we'll see. Personally, diaper boy looks like a cancer in waiting. He will fit in well with the father dick debacle next year .... assuming he comes back.

[NaptownChief]

Bell has been a key component of a RBBC that has helped his team to the second best record in football.

Trung had two big games in 2001.


Dungs contributions in 2001 helped that team to a league best 14-2.....He had to be the primary ball carrier for 3 games and posted 504 total yards and 4 TD's. So again remind me why the comparision is so different?

[sippybrew]

All of this goes to show, you don't know what the **** you're talking about.

Why be such a dickhole? Ok so show me where Bell has proven he is great at slashing it up the middle especially in short yardage? He gets bounced back everytime!

He is a terrific back but a feature back? IMHO no. Sheesh.

[bendog]

Why be such a dickhole? Ok so show me where Bell has proven he is great at slashing it up the middle especially in short yardage? He gets bounced back everytime!

He is a terrific back but a feature back? IMHO no. Sheesh.
First, nappy's just being a bitch cause scott "beam me out of KC so I can have a shot at the playoffs" fujita ****ed him up yesterday, and slap wasted the time bitch slapping him on his "football knowledge" as usual, but more importantly, recall people said sonic was a bust after his rook year, and were saying as late as last Sept that diaper boy was a bust too .... so, patience.

[broncosteven]

Dungs contributions in 2001 helped that team to a league best 14-2.....He had to be the primary ball carrier for 3 games and posted 504 total yards and 4 TD's. So again remind me why the comparision is so different?


What will Dee Brown contribute to the 2005 or even 2006 KFC CHeefs?

Cheefs are in trouble now depth wise.

[SimonFletcher73]

Maroney.

[Szarka33]

Bell may be in tough to win the job. I guess we will have to wait and see if he come's in heavier and with the attitude to pound it between the tackles.

[yavoon]

this idea that bell just needs to be bigger and all will be alright is dumb. if he was a good running back he'd be featured, thats it.

he's not good at blitz pickup
not good at receiving
doesn't have good vision
isnt elusive laterally
has a high fumble rate

I mean instead of asking him to be bigger why not ask him to be BETTER!

[Szarka33]

Well, I guess we will find out.....

[Wes Mantooth]

If he was the guy, he would have been the guy already.

[sirhcyennek81]

Yes. If he can't, Dayne will.

:Broncos:

[Szarka33]

I guess he can carry the load.

My question has now been answered!