I am sick of everyone blaming the Chargers for suspending Antonio Gates

[FantomForce]

I am so tired of hearing about how the Chargers are regretting suspending Gates for thier first game. What tehy should really be upset about is the fact that they didn't give the League's best running back the ball at all for thier first few games. LT didn't see the ball at all and that killed them finally after three games when they went back to the drawing board they realized holy sh%$ we can let LT run, throw or catch all of our touchdowns. No blame on the front office blame their coaching staff!!!

[CUBuffman08]

I am so tired of hearing about how the Chargers are regretting suspending Gates for thier first game. What tehy should really be upset about is the fact that they didn't give the League's best running back the ball at all for thier first few games. LT didn't see the ball at all and that killed them finally after three games when they went back to the drawing board they realized holy sh%$ we can let LT run, throw or catch all of our touchdowns. No blame on the front office blame their coaching staff!!!
LT ran the ball 17 times vs Philly...

[Rocket 7]

We'll find out

[boltaneer]

I agree.

The Chargers could have and should have won that game without Gates if they made one play in the last 20 seconds.

It wasn't because of Gates. The media needs something to stir up the pot if SD doesn't make the playoffs.

The big killer will be the blocked FG agains the eagles. To me, that was the final straw that should have concluded with the firing of the special teams coach. With the exception of Scifres, the special teams have been horrible ever since he's been here.

[BroncoBuff]

Stand on "principle" . . . ?

Stand in second place.

[watermock]

WTF...SD won Sunday...

[ludo21]

why is this thread at OM?? Take it to the Charger forum.

[FantomForce]

why is this thread at OM?? Take it to the Charger forum.
Because it is another that the Chargers are a good team and we cannot overlook them, what would be worse than marching into Sandy Eggo and losing?

[SoCalBronco]

The Chargers are the greatest 8-4 team in the history of organized sports...........or at least thats what im repeatedly fed by ESPN.

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/17/17437/pages/600120/espnsux2.gif

[Pendejo]

The Chargers tried to sandbag a guy who outplayed his contract, and in the process very well cost themselves a win. Good.

How many number one picks have the Chargers had in camp on time in the last several years?

NFL players are royally screwed when it comes to contract negotiations...teams simply do not have to honor the contracts, and many times don't, but for some reason the players are held to a higher standards. Holding out is all they have, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Gates got the money he wanted/deserved, is having another fine year, and the Dolts lost the game they suspended him for. That's one hell of a precedent. Typical Dolts management.

If the Donks wind up beating the chargers by one game...I for one will always point to AJ Smith's ridiculous bull **** posturing with a decent guy who just wanted what he deserved. Smith cut off his nose to spite his face...and the Dolts will be on the road in the playoffs because of it.

[watermock]

Since the Chargers have won 5 straight, want to explain what game he cost them again?

This place is going to the dogs...

[Pendejo]

Since the Chargers have won 5 straight, want to explain what game he cost them again?

This place is going to the dogs...

The game he was suspended for...jackass.

[watermock]

what game was that exactly? why is this news if it was two months ago?

He was suspended for three games actually...your when exactly was he supended?

Why not follow your leaders example and X yourself? He didn't light a cigarette with his gun BTW...you might need to examine your facts...

[watermock]

If they lost a game without gates, it was ALMOST 7 WEEKS AGO...they have won 5 in a row...what part of this don't you understand...

[BroncoBuff]

It was the first game of the year, mock, and they lost it - I think it was to Dallas. Gates was suspended 1 game - by the team - because he held out for a time during camp. It was a "principle" thing for the Chargers.

Many people (me included) think that suspension cost them that game. If Gates had been allowed to play, the Chargers might've won. That simple. Now they're 1 game behind, and they'd be TIED had they won . . . yadda, yadda, yadda

[watermock]

Ok, I stand corrected...I thought it was recent...why is this an issue again? Because they suspended Gates for the first games? That is their stupidity...Why don't we have these constant contract diputes? They get a ticket out of town...dnever has always paid market value and nver taken anyone to task...

Philly is doing a job on T.O. tho...man...it's pretty funny...that is a vindictive approach, but appropriate...

They will take 40 million and grab money back...it's very funny honestly...

[Means20]

The Bolts should have won period. Gates or not, you've got to win that game. It's the inability to finish(Phili) that has put SD in the hole, not losing in wk 1. Lets not forget the Donks were handled by Miami in wk 1.

[BroncoBuff]

Ok, I stand corrected...I thought it was recent...
Yeah, mock - I was right, it was against Dallas. Some of the guys on this thread pointed out they shouldda run LT more - and they're somewhat right - LT had only 19 carries, while Brees passed 35 times. Way too much of a passing emphasis w/o Gates in the lineup.

Here's the box, what do you think? http://sports-att.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=250911024

[BroncoBuff]

The Bolts should have won period. Gates or not, you've got to win that game. It's the inability to finish(Phili) that has put SD in the hole, not losing in wk 1. Lets not forget the Donks were handled by Miami in wk 1.
Well, welcome to the OrangeMane and all that, but the Miami game was obviously an abberation. For you to be spouting off about that game 12 weeks later, with our 9-3 record and the Dolphins 5-7 is pretty silly. :homer:

[DomCasual]

This place is going to the dogs...
How is it going to the dogs?

[Means20]

Well, welcome to the OrangeMane and all that, but the Miami game was obviously an abberation. For you to be spouting off about that game 12 weeks later, with our 9-3 record and the Dolphins 5-7 is pretty silly. :homer:
Spouting off? I was simply pointing out that both teams started 0-1. Therfore, it's what has happened since (Philadelphia) that has the Bolts down in the div. Touchy subject I know but calm your a$$ down.

[BroncoBuff]

Spouting off? I was simply pointing out that both teams started 0-1. Therfore, it's what has happened since (Philadelphia) that has the Bolts down in the div. Touchy subject I know but calm your a$$ down.
Actually I'm OK with the Dolphins game . . . so long ago . . .

Even the Giants game was a last-second thing.

It's THIS WEEK I'm not over, and I'll tell you why:

WHERE WAS TATUM BELL IN CRUNCH TIME?!

Tatum is one of the 10 most explosive game-changing players in the league today:

1. Despite limited action, he was on pace for 1000
2. He LEADS THE NFL in average per carry
3. He actually RAISED that average Sunday with his paltry 5 carries
4. He LEADS THE NFL in runs over 30 yards
5. Dayne and Anderson had 24 carries Sunday between them. Tatum had 5 - but led the team in rushing!

Demoting Tatum Bell to 3rd string is NOT the action of a sound mind. Especially on the road - against a hated rival - in a close game - with a chance to wrap up the division. I love the Marine, but this was his second dismal rushing game in a row - Sammy Winder-like dismal. And yet he was out there in 'crunch time.' Why?


WTF?!

[NaptownChief]

They got what they deserved with their stupid suspension tactic. The moment they did that I thought it was a joke and no way in hell would they follow through with it. They are dumber than I gave them credit for...

[bronco militia]

IMO no suspension lets the Chargers off the hook for the typical Marty/Wade game plan...

[bendog]

I loved that blocked FG in Philly. That was one of the funniest moments this year.

ps, buff, tater didn't get demoted. Shanny passed more last week. 29 pass and 29 runs. My guess it'll be next summer before Tater gets another chance to show he can tote it 25-30 times in a game and finish every run without getting hurt. He's the change of pace back this year because he failed to beat out MA in camp.

[Alkazar]

The Chargers tried to sandbag a guy who outplayed his contract, and in the process very well cost themselves a win. Good.

How many number one picks have the Chargers had in camp on time in the last several years?

NFL players are royally screwed when it comes to contract negotiations...teams simply do not have to honor the contracts, and many times don't, but for some reason the players are held to a higher standards. Holding out is all they have, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Gates got the money he wanted/deserved, is having another fine year, and the Dolts lost the game they suspended him for. That's one hell of a precedent. Typical Dolts management.

If the Donks wind up beating the chargers by one game...I for one will always point to AJ Smith's ridiculous bull **** posturing with a decent guy who just wanted what he deserved. Smith cut off his nose to spite his face...and the Dolts will be on the road in the playoffs because of it.

I am so tired of hearing this lame excuse, both the team and the players have the option of not honoring contracts. A contract is a contract and both sides can try to rework it if they are unhappy with it.

[ozomulsion]

WHERE WAS TATUM BELL IN CRUNCH TIME?!

Tatum is one of the 10 most explosive game-changing players in the league today:

1. Despite limited action, he was on pace for 1000
2. He LEADS THE NFL in average per carry
3. He actually RAISED that average Sunday with his paltry 5 carries
4. He LEADS THE NFL in runs over 30 yards
5. Dayne and Anderson had 24 carries Sunday between them. Tatum had 5 - but led the team in rushing!

Demoting Tatum Bell to 3rd string is NOT the action of a sound mind. Especially on the road - against a hated rival - in a close game - with a chance to wrap up the division. I love the Marine, but this was his second dismal rushing game in a row - Sammy Winder-like dismal. And yet he was out there in 'crunch time.' Why?

WTF?!

If you post this one more *** damned time. I swear to god, I will hunt your mother ****ing ass down and bleed you ****ing slow. :) Seriously, this has to be the 10th time you've made this exact same post. I feel like I'm in the movie Groundhog Day.

[Northman]

The Chargers are the greatest 8-4 team in the history of organized sports...........or at least thats what im repeatedly fed by ESPN.

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/17/17437/pages/600120/espnsux2.gif



I think its pretty much put up or shut up when SD goes into Indy. They played the Colts real close last time but if they go in there and get run out ( like another team i wont mention, lol ) than we will know where they stand.

[Northman]

If you post this one more *** damned time. I swear to god, I will hunt your mother ****ing ass down and bleed you ****ing slow. :) Seriously, this has to be the 10th time you've made this exact same post. I feel like I'm in the movie Groundhog Day.


I think his post should read ( for future reference ) " Where was DeAngelo Williams in crunch time! ". ;D

[Pendejo]

I am so tired of hearing this lame excuse, both the team and the players have the option of not honoring contracts. A contract is a contract and both sides can try to rework it if they are unhappy with it.

Right...and if a new deal can't be reached...the team will simply cut the player, or the player will hold out. It's the way the system has been set up. It's not an excuse at all...it's a fact.

[terry251973]

who cares.
the chargers suck anyways,doesnt matter whos tightend.:laugh:

[ozomulsion]

I think his post should read ( for future reference ) " Where was DeAngelo Williams in crunch time! ". ;D

Dream come true. ^5

[BroncoBuff]

I think his post should read ( for future reference ) " Where was DeAngelo Williams in crunch time! ". ;D
Don't get me wrong . . . . I'm SURE that's funny . . . I just don't get it ???

[BroncoBuff]

If you post this one more *** damned time. I swear to god, I will hunt your mother ****ing ass down and bleed you ****ing slow. :) Seriously, this has to be the 10th time you've made this exact same post. I feel like I'm in the movie Groundhog Day.
Fair enough . . . but it was actually just the 4th time
(I made it to 5 after your post. Here you go: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=876753#post876753 . . . :wiggle: Notice how I changed the numbering the 5th time . . .)

I just feel so strongly about Tatum. The Redskins game was his win . . . and he could've won the KC game had he been given the chance.

I . . M . . H . . O . . !!!!

[BroncoBuff]

Hey ozo! My bad! I made it to SIX before your post: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=876750#post876750 :strong:

[-Slap-]

The Chargers tried to sandbag a guy who outplayed his contract, and in the process very well cost themselves a win. Good.

How many number one picks have the Chargers had in camp on time in the last several years?

NFL players are royally screwed when it comes to contract negotiations...teams simply do not have to honor the contracts, and many times don't, but for some reason the players are held to a higher standards. Holding out is all they have, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Another one who's been brainwashed by Rosenhaus.

Players receive signing bonuses up front, which is the substitute for guaranteed money. Its utterly irrational to think any system of guaranteed contracts would be workable with the roster sizes and attrition rate that are the reality of NFL football.

[-Slap-]

Right...and if a new deal can't be reached...the team will simply cut the player, or the player will hold out. It's the way the system has been set up. It's not an excuse at all...it's a fact.
Actually, the player has the option of not playing at all.

Retire and put that free education you got to use in the real world, jock boy.

[Pendejo]

Actually, the player has the option of not playing at all.

Retire and put that free education you got to use in the real world, jock boy.

Disappointingly simplistic.

Was the pseudo education really free in the first place?

[BroncoBuff]

-Slap-, you're a little off the mark here. The Chargers are the biggest cheapskates in the league . . . Pendejo is right - even though it is a Rosenhaus argument - players can be cut whenever they "UNDER-PLAY" their contract, but holding out is the player's only option other than honoring the contract. We can all agree that Gates WILDLY outplayed his. Look what happened to Javon Walker (but again, ignore the Rosenhaus link to understand my point). Javon outplayed his contract . . . bellyached . . . but THEN SHOWED UP! Now he's badly injured, and will probably never get value.

The Chargers "stood on principle" to suspend Gates, who had already given up his holdout and showed up in camp. It cost them the opener vs. Dallas, no doubt about it.

The REAL question is - what is a cheapskate franchise like the Chargers doing talking about "principle"? This is the same franchise that has had 3 "Franchise QBs" flame out or diss them . . . in just the past 7 or 8 years:

- Ryan Leaf
- Mike Vick
- Eli Manning

[BroncoBuff]

And I assume, -Slap- you are joking about employment "alternatives" for these college "educated" athletes . . . ? ?

_______

See if you can guess which of the following best represents
Antonio Gates' non-football employment possibilities:

Knowitall . . . or . . . :homer:

[watermock]

Look, you go to NFLPA and they won't even mention signing bonuses...and yes, it's guaranteed money unless they screw up by various means including felony's, misconduct and drug use...or playing with crotch rockets...

It will be interesting to see what happens with the money they want from T.O....while I think it's a little vindictive to keep rubbing nose in it, I think it sends a message to snooty megastars who think they are above the rules...Philly is totally out of it, and they are going to make an example out of T.O., and I think it's funny honestly...if your a CEO and become a moron, the BOD throws you off it...if your a banker, and squander or lie, you get thrown out of the bank and prosecuted...

Maybe the age of athletes thinking their behavior is immune from society will be at least stalled...that idiot pointing his finger at congress comes to mind...forget his name...in baseball...they need to suspend him for the year and throw him jail for perjury...pointing fingers thinking his "designer steroid" couldn't be detected...well news to him, Mr. Balco gave out the recipe in a plea bargain you moron...

[Pendejo]

-Slap-, you're a little off the mark here. The Chargers are the biggest cheapskates in the league . . . Pendejo is right - even though it is a Rosenhaus argument - players can be cut whenever they "UNDER-PLAY" their contract, but holding out is the player's only option other than honoring the contract. We can all agree that Gates WILDLY outplayed his. Look what happened to Javon Walker (but again, ignore the Rosenhaus link to understand my point). Javon outplayed his contract . . . bellyached . . . but THEN SHOWED UP! Now he's badly injured, and will probably never get value.

The Chargers "stood on principle" to suspend Gates, who had already given up his holdout and showed up in camp. It cost them the opener vs. Dallas, no doubt about it.

The REAL question is - what is a cheapskate franchise like the Chargers doing talking about "principle"? This is the same franchise that has had 3 "Franchise QBs" flame out or diss them . . . in just the past 7 or 8 years:

- Ryan Leaf
- Mike Vick
- Eli Manning

In the Bolts defense...one of the few things they didn't louse up was the Vick thing. They got both Tomlinson and Brees out of that draft. But yeah...as I've said earlier in the thread...how many #1 picks have the Bolts had in camp on time in the past 10 years or so...

[Northman]

Don't get me wrong . . . . I'm SURE that's funny . . . I just don't get it ???


Its not meant to be funny. Its just that OZO and I happen to like that particular player and would love to have him in Orange and Blue.

[BroncoBuff]

Its not meant to be funny. Its just that OZO and I happen to like that particular player and would love to have him in Orange and Blue.
Isn't he that little RB for Kentucky or something . . . ?

[BroncoBuff]

In the Bolts defense...one of the few things they didn't louse up was the Vick thing. They got both Tomlinson and Brees out of that draft. But yeah...as I've said earlier in the thread...how many #1 picks have the Bolts had in camp on time in the past 10 years or so...
Good point . . . even 4 years later, I'll take that trade:

LT and Drew Brees - TRADE FOR - Mike Vick (the most overrated athlete anywhere)

You're right, too - the Chargers never sign their picks - ever. Even long ago there were always problems.

What're they gonna do with Rivers? If I'M Phillip Rivers - watching Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger - I'd be getting REAL ITCHY about now . . .

___________________

The CITY of San Diego has produced some killer RBS, though:
LT
Marcus Allen
Rashaan Salaam
Reggie Bush

[Malcontent]

Thread Hijacked!!!
Do we really care bout' the freaking changers? Wow..we all must be real real bored to devote hours on the topic of SD running game.???

[Pendejo]

Good point . . . even 4 years later, I'll take that trade:

LT and Drew Brees - TRADE FOR - Mike Vick (the most overrated athlete anywhere)

You're right, too - the Chargers never sign their picks - ever. Even long ago there were always problems.

What're they gonna do with Rivers? If I'M Phillip Rivers - watching Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger - I'd be getting REAL ITCHY about now . . .

___________________

The CITY of San Diego has produced some killer RBS, though:
LT
Marcus Allen
Rashaan Salaam
Reggie Bush
Terrell Davis

[ozomulsion]

Isn't he that little RB for Kentucky or something . . . ?

DeAngelo Williams is 5-10 217lbs. He plays for Memphis. You'll hear a lot about him soon enough.

[-Slap-]

Disappointingly simplistic.

Was the pseudo education really free in the first place?
Talk about simplistic.

I want to see any of you come up with a system that allows for guaranteed money in pro football contracts. The rosters are too large and the attrition rate, too high.

[BroncoBuff]

Terrell Davis
WHOA!

MY baddy-bad-BAD!

[DrFate]

The Chargers are the greatest 8-4 team in the history of organized sports...........or at least thats what im repeatedly fed by ESPN.

Socal, what is the deal with the media slurping this Chargers team so much?