PFW: Whispers on Broncos

[El Minion]

Tatum Bell may never admit it, but the Broncos have come to the conclusion that he is best-utilized as a part-time running back and may never be able to handle the more extensive workload of a true featured back.

Expect to see an upgrade in the WR corps in Denver during the offseason, as Ashley Lelie is having trouble providing a consistent downfield threat. Sources say he doesn’t get off the line all that well against physical defenders and at times doesn’t hustle through his routes like he should.

Sixth-round pick Chris Myers could have a bright future at guard in Denver. Coaches believe they would be able to rely on him this season if injuries beset the interior of a very thin offensive line, and that he has all the qualities they look for in a blocker.



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[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Welcome Minion.

While there is plenty of support for Bell on the Mane, I think most would agree that the first two items are true and hope the third is true.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Charles Rogers may be on the outs in Detroit.

AND you can legally own weed in Denver, so that would pan out nicely.

But I'd like to see Denver make a play for Reggie Wayne or Houshmanzadeh.

[El Guapo]

Expect to see an upgrade in the WR corps in Denver during the offseason, as Ashley Lelie is having trouble providing a consistent downfield threat. Sources say he doesn’t get off the line all that well against physical defenders and at times doesn’t hustle through his routes like he should.




Welcome TO! Ha!

[brncs_fan]

Tatum Bell may never admit it, but the Broncos have come to the conclusion that he is best-utilized as a part-time running back and may never be able to handle the more extensive workload of a true featured back.

Expect to see an upgrade in the WR corps in Denver during the offseason, as Ashley Lelie is having trouble providing a consistent downfield threat. Sources say he doesn’t get off the line all that well against physical defenders and at times doesn’t hustle through his routes like he should.

Sixth-round pick Chris Myers could have a bright future at guard in Denver. Coaches believe they would be able to rely on him this season if injuries beset the interior of a very thin offensive line, and that he has all the qualities they look for in a blocker.



http://profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/Whispers/2005/whispers2022.htm
Does this mean that one of our first round picks will be undoubtedly an WR? Smith has to drop off sometime (trust me, I would love another 10 ears out of him) Lelie hasn't turned out to be what we had hoped, and Adams/Devoe/Watts have a few more years of work before they could become consistent 1 or 2 recievers.

[jebures]

Charles Rogers may be on the outs in Detroit.

AND you can legally own weed in Denver, so that would pan out nicely.

But I'd like to see Denver make a play for Reggie Wayne or Houshmanzadeh.

Housmanzadeh is locked up for 3 more years after this one in Cincy. He just signed a 4 year contract this year, but Reggie Wayne would be nice.

[Dukes]

Charles Rogers may be on the outs in Detroit.

AND you can legally own weed in Denver, so that would pan out nicely.

But I'd like to see Denver make a play for Reggie Wayne or Houshmanzadeh.

I'd give almost anything for Wayne, or Stokely for that matter :pigsfly:

[DarkHorse]

Wayne all the way - what a competitor and he's always freaking open.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Does this mean that one of our first round picks will be undoubtedly an WR? Smith has to drop off sometime (trust me, I would love another 10 ears out of him) Lelie hasn't turned out to be what we had hoped, and Adams/Devoe/Watts have a few more years of work before they could become consistent 1 or 2 recievers.

No. Broncs desperately need to upgrade the receiving positions, but to say they will definately use a fist rounder on a WR is wrong. They won't reach very far if a player they want is not there.

[Denver Crush]

First you need a QB that can deliver an accurate deep ball consistently. We dont have that here. If Jake could hit a deep reciever in stride, Id be more on board.

[toad]

Amen on Lelie...he's a bust IMO...and in his 4th season I think we're seeing the type of player he is....Reggie Wayne would be incredible.

Lelie was a reach when we drafted him and he's a reach now as a viable #2 WR.

[Rascal]

Draft a stud safety and a legit pass rushing DE please shanny!

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Add Michael Huff from Texas and bring in Wayne.

=

TEH SPRERBOWL!!!

[Rascal]

Add Michael Huff from Texas and bring in Wayne.

=

TEH SPRERBOWL!!!

Add in the best available D-lineman at our 1b position and I'd be thrilled to death.

Draft for depth the rest of the way focusing on OL primarily.

[elpasojoe]

Reggie Wayne in Free Agnecy; then

Mike Hass, Oregon State, second round

Chris Francis, UTEP, fifth round

[BroncoInferno]

I'm leary about Wayne. WRs who had success as a second banana, then were given big bucks to be a number one, have been some of the biggest busts of the free agent era. Peerless Price and Alvin Harper immediately come to mind.

[Alkazar]

I'm still on board for drafting a viable QB to push/replace Plummer eventually. I know he's been having a great year so far with the reductions in INTs but how long is that going to last? He has now had 3 in the last two games so is he backsliding or is this just an abboration?

[Play2win]

First you need a QB that can deliver an accurate deep ball consistently. We dont have that here. If Jake could hit a deep reciever in stride, Id be more on board.
Exactly...

[El Guapo]

Reggie Wayne in Free Agnecy; then

Mike Hass, Oregon State, second round

Chris Francis, UTEP, fifth round


Chris Francies has spectacular hands!!! He would be a 2 year job as far as getting up to NFL levels though.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I'm still on board for drafting a viable QB to push/replace Plummer eventually. I know he's been having a great year so far with the reductions in INTs but how long is that going to last? He has now had 3 in the last two games so is he backsliding or is this just an abboration?

Who do you suggest?

[Play2win]

Who do you suggest?
Matt Leinart ;D

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Cutler or Quinn (if he comes out).

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Quinn says he is staying in school. I think Cutler will be a very nice backup for someone. He is a Kubiak clone - very smart, good decision maker, but average physical skills.

[azbroncfan]

Someone will kill me for this but I'm in the want TO boat. I think he's played for loose coaches (at least MOOCH) and I think Shanny could keep him straight. Sign him to an contract you could get out of and take a gamble. As I watched Jammer last night on Moss line 10 yards off I think DEN needs a big stud WR. TO's the best in the league in my opinion even though I don't like him at all he could be a great pickup.

[ozomulsion]

First you need a QB that can deliver an accurate deep ball consistently. We dont have that here. If Jake could hit a deep reciever in stride, Id be more on board.
Exactly, anyone who thinks Jake could hit Wayne in stide, on the deep routes like Manning does. Is in dream land.

[ozomulsion]

Tatum Bell may never admit it, but the Broncos have come to the conclusion that he is best-utilized as a part-time running back and may never be able to handle the more extensive workload of a true featured back.
They gathered this conclusion by giving him no more than 17 carries in any one game? He ran for 123 yards in that game BTW. That's a funny rumor.

On Ashley Lelie. If Jake could've hit him in stride yesterday, he would have scored. The same as many times in the past. On the jump ball in the end zone. Jake over threw him, plain and simple.

[BroncoSoja]

Is Reggie Wayne as good as alot of you make him out to be? Or is it that he is just playing with perhaps the greatest QB of all time.. A QB that can pick defenses apart and calls games (audibles) like no other right now..

Put it like this If Lelie (yes Lelie) had Manning throwing to him instead of Plummer things would be dramaticly different. Im not sold on Wayne.. at all.

[Alkazar]

Someone will kill me for this but I'm in the want TO boat. I think he's played for loose coaches (at least MOOCH) and I think Shanny could keep him straight. Sign him to an contract you could get out of and take a gamble. As I watched Jammer last night on Moss line 10 yards off I think DEN needs a big stud WR. TO's the best in the league in my opinion even though I don't like him at all he could be a great pickup.
No freakin way, TO is nothing but a cancer to any team he lands on. Keep him as far away from Denver a possible.

[Alkazar]

Is Reggie Wayne as good as alot of you make him out to be? Or is it that he is just playing with perhaps the greatest QB of all time.. A QB that can pick defenses apart and calls games (audibles) like no other right now..

Put it like this If Lelie (yes Lelie) had Manning throwing to him instead of Plummer things would be dramaticly different. Im not sold on Wayne.. at all.
Greatest QB of all time? Sorry but Elway retired. Manning, at least so far, is just another version of Dan Marino, a great passer but a mediocre QB.

[ozomulsion]

Is Reggie Wayne as good as alot of you make him out to be? Or is it that he is just playing with perhaps the greatest QB of all time.. A QB that can pick defenses apart and calls games (audibles) like no other right now..

Put it like this If Lelie (yes Lelie) had Manning throwing to him instead of Plummer things would be dramaticly different. Im not sold on Wayne.. at all.

No truer words have ever been written.

[BroncoInferno]

Stop making excuses for Lelie people. It is not Plummer's fault that he doesn't have the strength (or maybe the will) to beat the jam consistently at the NFL level. It is not Plummer's fault that he occasionally gets lazy on his routes. Until he learns how to be more physical and that he has to run hard on every play, he will continue to underachieve, regardless of the QB.

[Ratboy]

I honestly think Lelie will be traded.

He doesn't fit this type of offense and he isn't getting the stats he's capable of.

If he was in the right system, Lelie would have 1400+ yards.

[RhymesayersDU]

Draft a stud safety and a legit pass rushing DE please shanny!
AMEN.

[Ratboy]

Stop making excuses for Lelie people. It is not Plummer's fault that he doesn't have the strength (or maybe the will) to beat the jam consistently at the NFL level. It is not Plummer's fault that he occasionally gets lazy on his routes. Until he learns how to be more physical and that he has to run hard on every play, he will continue to underachieve, regardless of the QB.

and when Lelie is wide open, Jake Plummer underthrows him.

[BroncoInferno]

I honestly think Lelie will be traded.

He doesn't fit this type of offense and he isn't getting the stats he's capable of.

If he was in the right system, Lelie would have 1400+ yards.

I agree he is a square peg in this offense and that his numbers would improve in an offense like KCs or St. Louis' that doesn't require the WRs to be as physical. However, you have to beat the jam consistently in the NFL and show an ability to catch intermediate and short passes consistently to be a 1400 yard NFL WR. Lelie has not shown the ability to do this, and it has little to do with Plummer.

[BroncoInferno]

and when Lelie is wide open, Jake Plummer underthrows him.

How about Lelie get open on some short-to-intermediate routes with consistency like legitimate NFL WRs are supposed to do?

[Elway 4 Life]

and when Lelie is wide open, Jake Plummer underthrows him.

Yesterdays underthrow to lelie was against the wind.

[Broncoman13]

Add Michael Huff from Texas and bring in Wayne.

=

TEH SPRERBOWL!!!

Piggy Back... Draft Kiwi 1a, Huff 1b, bring in Wayne and use a 2nd on a guy like Nance. We need a tall possession receiver. Somebody that can go 20 yards over the middle and reach the passes that Jake lets fly. I'm not bagging on Jake, but he isn't the most accurate passer. We need an Eddy Mac clone that will sacrifice body for ball!

[Broncoman13]

Yesterdays underthrow to lelie was against the wind.


Um, actually I think the wind was blowing the other way... thus Elam not getting a shot at a 50+ yarder at the half!

[Broncoman13]

We wouldn't get enough value for Lelie...not after this season. After last year I think we could have got a first for him. This year we'd be very lucky to get a 2nd. Might make sense to send him and our late first to move up with somebody like the Rams. They aren't sitting thin at WR... but Bruce is getting up their in age and a tall target like Ash would be a nice #2 as opposed to a short guy like Curtis or McDonald. The only problem with shipping Ash is that you have to bring in two WR's. Reggie Wayne would likely be able to take Rod's place as the #1. Rod would be a serviceable #2 for a year or two... but then what do you have?

BTW, in that trade with St Louis... El Mario Williams!!! Size, Speed, and attitude. Some have said he's a Julius Peppers clone, I wouldn't go that far but he's close!!!

[Play2win]

Someone will kill me for this but I'm in the want TO boat. I think he's played for loose coaches (at least MOOCH) and I think Shanny could keep him straight. Sign him to an contract you could get out of and take a gamble. As I watched Jammer last night on Moss line 10 yards off I think DEN needs a big stud WR. TO's the best in the league in my opinion even though I don't like him at all he could be a great pickup.
I have very mixed fealing about TO. I think Shanahan is the kind of coach that could turn around TO, because Shanahan wins, and has a complete system and philosophy. Andy Reid has a system, but it is no where near being on the same level as Shanahans.

But, then again, TO might just continuing being TO, and that would suck and I want no part of that.

[Ratboy]

Draft Wishlist
Marcedes Lewis
Mario Williams
Michael Huff

NFL FA WR Wishlist
Antwaan Randle El
Brandon Lloyd
Reggie Wayne

[bendog]

No one can turn TO around. Not even a death row screw with a hot shot.

[Elway 4 Life]

Draft Wishlist
Marcedes Lewis
Mario Williams
Michael Huff

NFL FA WR Wishlist
Antwaan Randle El
Brandon Lloyd
Reggie Wayne

Imagine Brandon Lloyd on a good team. I've seen him make some amazing one handed catches this year.

[Play2win]

Stop making excuses for Lelie people. It is not Plummer's fault that he doesn't have the strength (or maybe the will) to beat the jam consistently at the NFL level. It is not Plummer's fault that he occasionally gets lazy on his routes. Until he learns how to be more physical and that he has to run hard on every play, he will continue to underachieve, regardless of the QB.
I'm calling BS on this.

If we had a better delivery system to ASH things would be WAY different. If Jerry Rice didn't have GREAT QBs do you think he would've been half the receiver that he was?

Both those QBs deliver the ball ON TIME and with ACUTE ACCURACY. I think if ASH was given the same luxury he would show excellent results...

[yavoon]

Is Reggie Wayne as good as alot of you make him out to be? Or is it that he is just playing with perhaps the greatest QB of all time.. A QB that can pick defenses apart and calls games (audibles) like no other right now..

Put it like this If Lelie (yes Lelie) had Manning throwing to him instead of Plummer things would be dramaticly different. Im not sold on Wayne.. at all.

manning doesn't run fast enough to be the greatest qb on a bronco board.

[yavoon]

We wouldn't get enough value for Lelie...not after this season. After last year I think we could have got a first for him. This year we'd be very lucky to get a 2nd. Might make sense to send him and our late first to move up with somebody like the Rams. They aren't sitting thin at WR... but Bruce is getting up their in age and a tall target like Ash would be a nice #2 as opposed to a short guy like Curtis or McDonald. The only problem with shipping Ash is that you have to bring in two WR's. Reggie Wayne would likely be able to take Rod's place as the #1. Rod would be a serviceable #2 for a year or two... but then what do you have?

BTW, in that trade with St Louis... El Mario Williams!!! Size, Speed, and attitude. Some have said he's a Julius Peppers clone, I wouldn't go that far but he's close!!!

the consensus would be a fourth or fifth. remember draft picks have higher values than the player being traded. maybe we could trick someone into a third?

[broncofan2438]

Screw payton, do ya think he might break his leg?

[ozomulsion]

Screw payton, do ya think he might break his leg?

Only if he trips over his dog. He never gets touched during the game.

[Sir Mawn]

For some reason Reggie Wayne reminds me of Alvin Harper.

[orinjkrush]

jeez people. lelie vs jake. not tough enough versus not accurate enough. both are right. lelie is a thoroughbred not a plow horse. somebody needs to hit him in stride. jake is a rough and tumble run around qb not a sammy baugh type. you might figure these guys would work it out together better by themselves though.

[BroncoInferno]

I'm calling BS on this.

If we had a better delivery system to ASH things would be WAY different. If Jerry Rice didn't have GREAT QBs do you think he would've been half the receiver that he was?

Both those QBs deliver the ball ON TIME and with ACUTE ACCURACY. I think if ASH was given the same luxury he would show excellent results...

Seems to me Rod Smith has done just fine with Jake tossing the pigskin. Why hasn't Ashley done better? I'll tell you why: becuase Rod knows how to fight off the jam and get open in the short-to-intermediate area and make tough catches (Jerry Rice could do the same, to acknowledge your ridiculous comparison). So, BS right back atcha.

[BroncoInferno]

the consensus would be a fourth or fifth. remember draft picks have higher values than the player being traded. maybe we could trick someone into a third?

Yep, teams treat draft picks like gold. Indy and Seattle had James and Alexander on the table for a 2nd, and no one would bite. New Orleans had Darren Howard up for 2nd. No takers.

[Jens1893]

what round is maurice stovall supposed to go in?

[watermock]

Amen on Lelie...he's a bust IMO...and in his 4th season I think we're seeing the type of player he is....Reggie Wayne would be incredible.

Lelie was a reach when we drafted him and he's a reach now as a viable #2 WR.

I blame Dan Reeves for taking Duckett and passing on the higher rated lelie...People have to understand that Lelie played under June Jones for HAWAII...FREAKING HAWAII...

If he was gone we very well might of drafted Ed Reed...our choice in the mock draft, and a perennial All Pro now....Lelie is a freaking ghost...he can't get off the line clean, so the timing is allways off...Jake doesn't know where this clown is going to wind up whatsoever....passes miss by 15 yards...

[Broncoman13]

Imagine Brandon Lloyd on a good team. I've seen him make some amazing one handed catches this year.


Forget about Brandon Lloyd! He's a RFA and will likely get a first round tender. We'd have to give him a big contract plus we'd have to give the Niners a first round pick. I think he's awesome but I don't want him that bad. Not when you can grab a guy like Reggie Wayne. It's Reggie or bust!

Randle El does nothing for me either.

[Broncoman13]

For some reason Reggie Wayne reminds me of Alvin Harper.


For some reason Reggie Wayne reminds me of Tim Brown! Don't know where you get this Alvin Harper thing? This much I know. They broke down his receiving stats the other day. If they were to give WR ratings (similar to a QB rating) Reggie Wayne would have the highest ranking in the league. I think the # was 7. As in 7 drops (credited drops) in the last two years. That's pretty impressive when you consider he had 77 catches last year and 67 so far this year. It's also hard to argue with his YAC. 32% of his yards over the past two years are YAC. I'm guessing here but I'd bet that's nearly double what our current WR's have.

[Sir Mawn]

For some reason Reggie Wayne reminds me of Tim Brown! Don't know where you get this Alvin Harper thing? This much I know. They broke down his receiving stats the other day. If they were to give WR ratings (similar to a QB rating) Reggie Wayne would have the highest ranking in the league. I think the # was 7. As in 7 drops (credited drops) in the last two years. That's pretty impressive when you consider he had 77 catches last year and 67 so far this year. It's also hard to argue with his YAC. 32% of his yards over the past two years are YAC. I'm guessing here but I'd bet that's nearly double what our current WR's have.

Yeah... he's a good player. Thing is for some reason I get this feeling that he won't be same player once he's out of that dome and out of that offense. Call it a hunch. That's why I said that I didn't know why...

[Broncoman13]

Yep, teams treat draft picks like gold. Indy and Seattle had James and Alexander on the table for a 2nd, and no one would bite. New Orleans had Darren Howard up for 2nd. No takers.



Bad example BI... you have to consider the players and positions you are talking about. Alexander wants and expects to be the highest paid RB in football. Edge is gonna get 15-20 mil up front and 6 years 60 mil as well. That is why teams didn't bite. Only a fool would NOT trade for either of those guys... especially a 2nd rounder if it were just the player and not the contract!

Think of trading Ash along the lines of the Jets trading Lamont Jordan last year. The talent is there... it's just kind of untapped. He's intriuging b/c he won't be a 10 mil bonus guy... but he has the talent to produce like one in the right system. Teams will give a little more than you expect for him. On the flip side of that coin. Had we tried to trade him after last year (1000, 7 TD's over 40 yards and league leading 20.1 ypc) I think we could have probably got a late first from somebody. Maybe not in last years draft but in 06 for sure!

[Broncoman13]

Yeah... he's a good player. Thing is for some reason I get this feeling that he won't be same player once he's out of that dome and out of that offense. Call it a hunch. That's why I said that I didn't know why...


I understand exactly what you're saying. Same questions guys like Droughns and Portis had leaving our offense. I said Tim Brown earlier... that's who Reggie Wayne reminds me of the most, but he also reminds me of a younger Keenan McCardell... a player that's been productive w/4 different teams.

One thing I can't comment on is his work ethic. You'd have to believe that Marvin and Pay-a-ton have rubbed off on him. He also seems somewhat quiet (kind of like DJ) considering he's from the U. Perhaps SoCal could fill us in on what he knows.

[Broncoman13]

Yeah... he's a good player. Thing is for some reason I get this feeling that he won't be same player once he's out of that dome and out of that offense. Call it a hunch. That's why I said that I didn't know why...


I understand exactly what you're saying. Same questions guys like Droughns and Portis had leaving our offense. I said Tim Brown earlier... that's who Reggie Wayne reminds me of the most, but he also reminds me of a younger Keenan McCardell... a player that's been productive w/4 different teams.

One thing I can't comment on is his work ethic. You'd have to believe that Marvin and Pay-a-ton have rubbed off on him. He also seems somewhat quiet (kind of like DJ) considering he's from the U. Perhaps SoCal could fill us in on what he knows.

[BroncoInferno]

Bad example BI... you have to consider the players and positions you are talking about. Alexander wants and expects to be the highest paid RB in football. Edge is gonna get 15-20 mil up front and 6 years 60 mil as well. That is why teams didn't bite. Only a fool would NOT trade for either of those guys... especially a 2nd rounder if it were just the player and not the contract!

Think of trading Ash along the lines of the Jets trading Lamont Jordan last year. The talent is there... it's just kind of untapped. He's intriuging b/c he won't be a 10 mil bonus guy... but he has the talent to produce like one in the right system. Teams will give a little more than you expect for him. On the flip side of that coin. Had we tried to trade him after last year (1000, 7 TD's over 40 yards and league leading 20.1 ypc) I think we could have probably got a late first from somebody. Maybe not in last years draft but in 06 for sure!

I see what you mean, but I can't see a team giving up a late first for a four veteran based on 'potential'. I could see someone giving us a third. If we sign a proven vet and draft a receiver high, might as well get something for him.

[fuzzy]

To be fair with Jake in reguards to underthrowing Lelie on the deep ball- most of those bombs seem to happen on the bootleg, so jake has to; fake the handoff, roll out to the left or right, spend a second or two surveying things and then finally throw the ball.

I can't see most nfl QBs catching a speedy WR in stride in that situation.

[Broncoman13]

That's why I was saying a late 2nd... but also consider that Ash isn't all potential. He does have a 1000 yard receiving season and has led the league in yards per catch. He's not totally proven, but he has put it together on the field for a full season...plus he has the measureables. 6'3 w/4.3 speed. Someone will want him!

[baja]

Someone will kill me for this but I'm in the want TO boat. I think he's played for loose coaches (at least MOOCH) and I think Shanny could keep him straight. Sign him to an contract you could get out of and take a gamble. As I watched Jammer last night on Moss line 10 yards off I think DEN needs a big stud WR. TO's the best in the league in my opinion even though I don't like him at all he could be a great pickup.

I was dead set against TO but after watching the Chiefs game I realized we are a stud receiver away from being a truly dominant football team. So I wonder if our locker room leaders can reel in TO's tude, IF so he would make our O tough to stop.

[Broncoman13]

To be fair with Jake in reguards to underthrowing Lelie on the deep ball- most of those bombs seem to happen on the bootleg, so jake has to; fake the handoff, roll out to the left or right, spend a second or two surveying things and then finally throw the ball.

I can't see most nfl QBs catching a speedy WR in stride in that situation.


Ash is fast too. The troublesome thing for me is that sometimes Jake overthrows that same pass play.

Completely off subject, but did you see the look on Dick Vermeil's face when BVP ran that ball in. That look had "What the F***, no Who the F*** was that???" written all over it! I loved that play!!!

[Broncoman13]

I was dead set against TO but after watching the Chiefs game I realized we are a stud receiver away from being a truly dominant football team. So I wonder if our locker room leaders can reel in TO's tude, IF so he would make our O tough to stop.


Baja, you win games and get TO the ball and he'll STFU. Pretty easy if you ask me. Early in the year I wouldn't of thought he'd be a good fit. We weren't passing the ball much and Jake was putting up 125 yard performances. At this point in the season though, I think he'd do two things. Come in and avg 85 yards per game (1350 a year) and score a TD about every other game. I'm seriously not as concerned about his attitude as a lot of other people. Seriously, he's not that different from Chad Johnson. I'd take either of them in a heart beat!

[Elway 4 Life]

For some reason Reggie Wayne reminds me of Tim Brown! Don't know where you get this Alvin Harper thing? This much I know. They broke down his receiving stats the other day. If they were to give WR ratings (similar to a QB rating) Reggie Wayne would have the highest ranking in the league. I think the # was 7. As in 7 drops (credited drops) in the last two years. That's pretty impressive when you consider he had 77 catches last year and 67 so far this year. It's also hard to argue with his YAC. 32% of his yards over the past two years are YAC. I'm guessing here but I'd bet that's nearly double what our current WR's have.

Tim Brown is a good comparison but I think reggie has more speed than brown. I like reggie but I'm not sure how good he would be in our system.

[baja]

I still hold out hope for Watts too. Wish wabbit or some insider would shed some light on this situtation with him being deactivated every week.

[watermock]

Think of trading Ash along the lines of the Jets trading Lamont Jordan last year. The talent is there... it's just kind of untapped.

Let's trade him to INDY and Manning...Ha!

[ozomulsion]

Seriously, he's not that different from Chad Johnson. I'd take either of them in a heart beat!
Oh No Oskie! I know you didn't! I've seen Chad get upset and yell a little on the sideline.
#1 Owens melts down on the sidelines. He goes after the QB or offensive coordinator. Doesn't matter.
#2 He publicly called out Garcia for holding the team back. Why? Because his arm isn't strong enough.
#3 He publicly called his QB a homosexual.
#4 He called out the Eagles front office one year into a seven year contract.
#5 He called out McNabb on so many damn things it got to the point they needed to deactivate him and did so.
#6 Chad is above 2-5. Owens is a cancer.

[baja]

Let's trade him to INDY and Manning...Ha!


That would create a monster... lelie with a qb that could actually hit him in stride with a long ball

[fontaine]

Let me apologize wholeheartedly in advance for the rude things I'm about to say.

Dear god, the IQ level on this board goes down a 100 points every time this team loses.

Where the hell does it say Plummer is at fault for not hitting Leile in stride on deep passes here:

Expect to see an upgrade in the WR corps in Denver during the offseason, as Ashley Lelie is having trouble providing a consistent downfield threat. Sources say he doesn’t get off the line all that well against physical defenders and at times ­doesn’t hustle through his routes like he should.

It's the same sh*t different season. EVERY goddamn year it's the same story with Lelie that he's not physical enough, can't beat the jam consistently and get off the line better. And for some reason it's Jake's fault because he can't perfectly hit him stride. Jake has faults, plenty of them but pinning Lelie's struggles on him is ludicrous.

But somehow the armchair coaches here read the above blurb and say, yeah well, if Plummer could perfectly hit Lelie in stride on a 50 yard pass while being covered by a DB all would be solved, durrrrrrr.

Un-freaking-believable.

And for all the geniuses here that say getting Wayne would be a waste because Plummer wouldn't be able to hit him deep?

Wayne has all of TWO catches over 30 yards ALL SEASON.

F**kin' morons.

Again sorry, for being so rude.

[meangene]

what round is maurice stovall supposed to go in?

Looks like Round 2 depending on how he runs. I really like him - one of the best blocking WR I have ever seen and only 20 years old.

[Ninjafied]

I have very mixed fealing about TO. I think Shanahan is the kind of coach that could turn around TO, because Shanahan wins, and has a complete system and philosophy. Andy Reid has a system, but it is no where near being on the same level as Shanahans.

But, then again, TO might just continuing being TO, and that would suck and I want no part of that.

I see the odds as TO staying the same way he’s always been – a gigantic @ss that’s really good at football. And its not like Shanahan did wonders with other troubled projects like Dale Carter or Gardner. Let someone else like Parcels take it on.
Plus we already have David Terrell. Let’s take one head case at a time. And IF that guy ever lives up to his draft potential we’ll be set.
Any news on that guy BTW.

[OrangeShadow]

wayne wouldnt be bad in denver. but i think hes going to go back to Indy.

[fontaine]

wayne wouldnt be bad in denver. but i think hes going to go back to Indy.

I just don't know the Colts can keep on franchise tagging players to the tune of millions against the cap when they've got to be overloaded already.

Anyways, if Wayne somehow does make it back to Indy, we'll just have to wait and watch the garage sale that will be B'more and Detroit because I have a feeling both offenses might be gutted (particularily Detroit) and hope we can trade Pryce or one of our many picks in exchange for a Charles Rogers or something.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

If you guys get Charles Rogers I will puke.

[fontaine]

If you guys get Charles Rogers I will puke.

I know it makes me want to puke too.

But I've had enough of watching and hoping for Lelie to do anything more than run deep. He would have been declared a massive bust a long time ago if it wasn't for this offense trying to toss him a few token long balls a game like scraps off the kitchen table.

Jeez, Rogers is not much better though. All he's proved in his time in the NFL is that he's a little less fragile than a ballerina on drugs.